Can the M1 MacBook Pro edit 8K Video? Sony A1 10-bit
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Testing Sony A1 8K in the latest version of Premiere Pro, Davinci Resolve, and Final Cut Pro!
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This doesn’t seem like a real world review because usually you would have multiple clips. So can we really tell if the M1 can handle it? No is going to put one clip on when editing a video.
I agree. Also the screen is 13 inches so unless you use an external monitor, it isn’t the most efficient at all for editing. I have one and barely use it.
@@SamWhiteFilms exactly.
Yes, it is a real world test. If the software can’t even handle one 8K clip, it can’t handle more than one. However, it would be nice to see how many additional 8K clips the M1 could handle reasonably.
@@NelsonsReview1 hey what are the specs do u recommend for Sony A7s3 of m1 . Is 256 ssd with 16 gb Ram good enough
@@onmyway1823 Many UA-camrs have tested the M1, and all of them say it edits multiple 4K clips well.
Old enough to remember when Adobe used to brag about the Mercury Playback Engine
Max, I hate to admit this... but you and Vadim have seriously got me considering Apple 😁
Go for it. I'd wait until the higher end MacBooks drop. I have the 13 MBP M1 and it works great.
I have a orrrangge
Yea the only problem is fcpx MIGHT be changing to a subscription payment method
@@NhanTran-sx8vx just switch to Davinci
Are you an Apple hater?
Surprised you made no mention that the A1's 8k is 420 10-bit while Canon's 8k is 422 10-bit. I would think that 420 would be easier to edit than 422. With that said, most people (inc. myself) really don't need/care if it's 420 as long as it is 10-bit. I wish Canon gave the option to shoot 420 H.265 as Sony does it would probably be easier to edit. Thanks for the test Max.
In the R5 if you turn off log and PQ, it is 420 h.265 rec709
@@rjgmedia6298 Thanks for that info. I was not aware of that.
422 8k is now available on the A1.
7:30 And that’s why I’ve moved away from that garbage some call Adobe Premiere and switched to Final Cut (and now occasionally Resolve). I don’t know how they’re still in business when this is the quality and performance of their software. Frankly at this point it’s beyond embarrassing, Adobe’s CEO should’ve fired all of their useless programmers and resigned like 2 times by now.
Great video as usual, very informative, thank you a lot!
they should just make a software engineer ceo
I made the same decision four years ago, and have had zero regrets. Certainly a bit of a learning curve to get comfortable with Final Cut’s magnetic timeline, but the amount of time I’ve saved since is incalculable.
Maybe they should fire the CEO.
This is what will happen when you hire new programmers not by skills and insight but by how much they can remember their undergraduate text book.
How long have you been on FCPX?
Hi Max! Thank you for sharing this video. Hos much RAM is it in your tested MBP in this video? 16 GB?
You edit 8k, encode it, post on UA-cam, and wait for people to watch it: Only two people (Sony CEO and Bill Gates) are watching with 8k monitor. The rest of us still limit our smartphone streaming to 480p/720p resolution so we don't get overcharged on our internet monthly bill. How ironic.
No one really shoots 8k as a delivery format for anyone to watch ( Bill Gates or otherwise ) outside of some special use cases in Asia / Olympics etc.
8k ( RED, Canon R5, Sony A1) and 12k ( Blackmagic URSA 12k ) are typically used as an acquisition format for post production reframing, stabilization or as background plates for VFX work. 8k downsampled to 4k also reduces image artifacts, noise, moire and generally looks really crispy and nice just like 4k downsampled to HD looks really good as well.
Isn't it that MKBHD uploads 8k footage on UA-cam? 🤔
8K TV. I've uploaded one 8K Video and it is indeed a pain in the rear. I don't own an 8K TV yet. But from doing lots of research, I see the professionals do say you would need around a 75 inch or larger TV and be within 6 feet of it to notice a difference between 4K and 8K. So, it's not really practical.
Right but it is useful for clients that want horizontal and vertical footage. You can crop in on 8k and maintain 4k quality on a vertical crop
Nice, but seriously, 8K is overkill and useless. Should be forbidden, as it just eats ressources. But proably companies gonna tell us that 16K, 32K... gonna be even more amazing. OUR EYES JUST CAN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE FFS
For shooting a sit down interview an 8K footage will provide multiple 4K shots in one take, and even crazier if the project output is in HD. It's not that useless for my case.
I need to get my hands on the new M1 Mac! Thanks for the review, Max!
Also, can you maybe add time stamps? I forgot how helpful it us
@@davexmit I know. But u can include it in the time stamp that u are in
If the A1 still allows simultaneous proxy recording I would probably just use a proxy edit workflow for the rare instance i will need 8K rather than upgrade. FCPX new proxy workflow is great.
At end any 4k footage that you throw on that M1 he will slice through it with ease?
Great videos. I’ve heard rumours of an M2 .. if this becomes true then nobody else has a chance of catching up with Apple. Especially if every 18months to 2yrs Apple up the anti.
Oh don't worry, you don't know what Qualcomm Can do, they now have engieneers that worked on the M1. Plus AMD and Intel both have Incredible teams
Apple crap fanboy comments
Max! What app or extension are you using to monitor the CPU and GPU usage in the Toolbar?
Impressive! I'm curious - Will it perform the same way on the Mac Mini with the M1 chip?
Short answer: Yes.
Just picked up the M1 Mini with 512GB, 16GB RAM. It's very choppy running even 4k in the Davinci Beta. I'm bummed!!!
@@kampmedia7776 Not good... Was it in HEVC h.265? Did you try any other codes with better success?
*5 лет назад перешел с помойного Premiere на Final cut и это было самое правильное решение*
@ 4:48 Actually a higher bitrate makes it easier to handle for the pc and not tougher because you have the same data in a less compressed file.
How about the M1 pro with the same A1 footage?
To be honest these tests are so misleading. Once you get to a timeline with 4 video and even more audio layers all with effects in a 10 minute timeline, that 8k will not be smooth at all. Not even close. But that’s ok, since it’s 1300$. Just don’t go around and pretend like this will edit 8k just fine and give people false hope
🙄 Blah blah blah
I took a test on my Mac mini M1 (512 ssd with 16 gb ram) and my 2019 Imac (i9, Vega 48, 64 gb ram and 512 ssd) , same library, same project, all on the same ssd (Samsung X5), the last same version of Final Cut on both machines. Timeline - 40 min, without rendering on both machine. Source - Panasonic GH5S, 4k 25p, 8 bit. With “share” function from Final Cut on both machines, I exported that timeline like “Master file” and the export time for Mac Mini M1 was 15 min and 26 sec; for the Imac was 21 min! In that timeline, I had texts, adjustment layers, stabilization and color correction on each clip and above all another adjustment layer with a LUT applied. And in the middle on the export, the timeline was smooth, and I was able to make changes without any problems! About 8k, you might be right...
Honestly I dont know what id do without you....and I make dope tech Videos myself😂...Thanks Max! I was Worried my 2080ti or M1 Wouldn't be able to handle my 8K Alpha 1 Footage..
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Appreciate the hard work you are putting in making these videos 🙏🏻
Since when has “playback” been the same as editing. Sorry I really appreciate the work you guys put into these videos but I’d prefer to see what scrubbing looks like, 2x 4x playback and better yet a real timeline with an actual edit on it. Playback is just one small factor when it comes to editing. All the best 👍🏻 ps you should consider making a video about proxy work flows! People mention it all the time but very few have explained it well. A good proxy workflow especially with cameras like this, with built in proxies are a dream to work with, on almost any system!
Agreed, this is miles away from being an editing workflow. Feels like they think up a video title and then create a conclusion to match it. There are going to be some disappointed M1 buyers down the line because of videos like this.
If you're gonna invest in a Sony Alpha One and a few lenses which are going to cost a total of around £12-15,000 then you might as well get yourself a Windows desktop computer with Intel i9 11900K processor and around 128GB Ram with M.2 SSD drives so you get around 3,500MB/s write and read speeds and a 24GB Asus ROG Strix Geforce RTX 3090 graphics card. That way you'll have enough power.
will it handle 30-40mins 4k 24p 100bits A7c/A7iii projects with up to 3 video tracks??? my pc struggling to edit a longer project with premier pro...!
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It will and beautifully. I use davinci resolve on the m1 air. I shoot with a6600 which basically has the same codec and bitrate as the a7c. 4k 100mb 8bit h.264.
I edit 2h projects with multiple nodes in 4k timeline. It cant do 4k full res with over 10 nodes but less than that it will. I use 4k half res. I can also edit 4-6h straight without charging and the perfomance is the same plugged in or not. BEAST of a machine.
I could get 20% perfomance with a thermal pad mod but im not sure ill do that before i see long term reviews of that.
@@shueibdahir Hi, I was planning to buy Mac Mini M1 and wanted to know how Davinci resolve works in it. I alsi want to use some fusion. I have an A7iii. I dont know much about computers but, will it be good enough to handle my 4k footages ??
@@shueibdahir hi
Hi Max
great review. Do you know if Adobe will optimize Premiere Pro for M1 CPUs? Are there any news?
Thanks
Hey Max thx for the test. Can you tell me how you got your CPU - GPU usage on the clock bar ? Also looking for monitoring my cpu temperature (I have a MacBook Air M1). Thx in advance !!
Yeah that's not good any little lag I mean it's too powerful for the computer and for person trying to do a lot of work to have to deal with those little glitches would suck so it's ridiculous anybody says it just a Mac fan and needs to get off their Mac train and buy stuff that they can actually repair and stop wasting their money and buy new and max every year and polluting the Earth more Mr I get Teslas and I'm trying to save the Earth
@Max-I don't believe you can use Compressor for 8K as I don't recall ever seeing an 8K export option. So I think your 8K export options are limited in FCP.
what about m2 13‘ macbook pro ？
With 2 3 clips everything is fine
But when you import your full project like 100 clips Or more the M1 will lag as windows. The gpu is not too much powerful as dedicated graphic card
he is Apple fanboy you know
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Can you create an 8K version thru FCPX Compressor to upload in 8K for UA-cam? I have a Sony Alpha 1, I have only been able to upload in 4K-would like to upload in 8K
4.2.2 is the problem, not the 8 bit or 10 bit. 4.2.2 isn't supposed to be a problem anymore if using an 11th Gen Intel with the latest version of Davinci Resolve Studio.
Premier pro is completely pointless on a Mac
Yeah, it’s more for like pc’s and that type of stuff
If you aren’t using Apple software with Apple hardware you’re kinda missing the whole point of Apple anyways. Just look at how much more battery it saves using native apps vs 3rd party apps.
I realise this probably irrelevant for this video but can the intel model also do 8K?
hey Max, can you quickly look at your current data written amount? there is a fuzz going around. you can install smartmontools via homebrew using
*brew install smartmontools* and then running *smartctl -a disk0* will output the S.M.A.R.T data.
Gotta love Final Cut Pro.
Hi
I am new learner my basic question?
What does 8k 400 10-bits means.
Here what is 400 ?.
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The future is ARM, and I agree with Apple's vision. I'm not a fanboy, and I've had some serious qualms with them over the years, but this is seriously impressive.
The the M1 Mac Mini is spectacular, and I can't wait to see what future iterations bring.
I think that Apple is going to release bigger specced Macbooks in 14 inch and 16 inch with more cores in 2022 and performance will be crazy. And Apple is going to release bigger generation of the M1 chips. I think 2 chips for the MacBook Pro higher end. The chips are going to be called The M1 Pro and M1 Max. they are also going to release a bigger version of the M1 Mac mini called the Mac Studio, and these are going to have another upgraded version of the M1 chip called the M1 Ultra.
That's my prediction
Big SSD problem on this Mac M1, no body mention this !
Max, a couple of things I want to mention, but before that, thanks for the awesome video! First, on my personal experience with the R5, when I film 8K Raw and edit on premiere with 1/16 quality (low I know), I've honestly had a pretty smooth experience both editing and color grading with no dropped frames. I have an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core processor at 3.79Ghz, with 64GB of Ram and an Nvidia GTX 970 for reference. Second, I have a question regarding your M1Mac. Have you encountered the SSD Wear problem that is affecting the M1 MacBook Pro? They say that the processor will wear out the SSD's pretty quickly, causing them to reach end of life a lot sooner than they should. Some users are reporting over 100TB's of usage in just a couple of months! Just wondering your opinion.
IPad Pro 2021 can play 8K videoclips using LumaFusion version 3.0
CPU and GPU is not really stressing out however we're seeing some drop frames every time. I wonder what/where is the bottleneck of these process? Could it be you're maxing out the throughput of the SSD? Maybe RAM is not keeping up? Or could be the vRAM??? But come on! Give me a break! You're playing 8K footage on a freaking laptop on top of a freaking table! If that's not blowing your mind i dont know what would. Im beginning to wonder how powerful could be M1X, 12 CPU cores 16GPU cores.
I use PP extensively but damn it's slow and buggy
Premiere is sadly still garbage when it comes to playback. It just can't seem to deal properly with modern day H.264 and H.265 codecs compared to Final Cut and Resolve. Which is just bonkers because I've gotten better playback in Premiere using 6k and 8k Red Raw and BRaw footage.
Interesting, the Mac mini m1, can process 8k 12bit canon raw with luts applied no problem... it sure why the MacBooks seem to struggle, must be thermal
4.2.2 is the problem. Not 8 bit, 10 bit, 12 bit. Look at the specs of CPUs and GPUs. The only thing that is supposed to have built decoders is the 11th Gen Intel, and for now you need the latest version of Davinci Resolve Studio and an 11th Gen Intel CPU. I had a hard time deciding between an AMD 5900HX laptop or Intel 11980HK laptop. Davinci supporting the 11th Gen Intel CPU for all codecs made me order a laptop with Intel 11980HK.
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Is this the most affordable 8k camera around?
First of all, Sony FTW.
This annoys me. I know when the next iMac/Mini are released, probably this year, I will want so much to have one, but not being able to afford one. So obviously annoying.
With prices for Apple systems where 30-50% more than elsewhere, because Apple doesn't have a site or store of their own here. It's just very very annoying.
Wait, where was I going with this? Ah yes, great performance form FCPX. Premier Pro, I am just glad I haven't touched it in over a decade and never going to as long as they offer only rental options.
Have a nice day.
8k dang I just got my first 4K screen in 2021 lol
That’s because it’s 420 not 422 footage
Sony files are not pro files. Go with blackmagic
A14x foldable iPhone with USB 3.1 USB type any! Would u buy for 3kusd?
The most amazing thing is that the base M1 Air is perfectly capable to handle this as well.
Is the m1 mac your using 8gb Ram?
How do I show my cpu/gpu on the top of my Mac like that?
If Sony would carefully evolved Vaio processing design, Mac was a cancerous memory crap!
What other laptops can use to edit 8k videos and edit pictures?
Hey Max, very nice I considering getting this A1 but I have the latest Imac fully kitted out, you think that will work there too?
This is the first time I heard of a PP BETA?!?!?!?! WTH ADOBE, y'all dropped the ball! It isn't working well with the 8K footy but Im just shooting 4K so it maybe ok!
but the only crazy thing is that the cpu does not comes in handy for the playback.. it's a softeware problems.. as it uses only graphic card basically and not even at its maximum... the software problem is huge.. as it does not take advantage fully of the hardware.. and this is crazy in 2021.. but yes we cannot do anything about it..
Can’t wait for the M1X / M2 Machines.
People be complaining it can't edit 8k videos properly like it is something you would want to do on this budget laptop, the camera is 4 times the price, wait till 16 inch Mac pros
Playing back a long clip isn't really impressive. Show me a timeline with an 8k finished project and then we'll see if the computer can handle that.
Great video bro, so would you say final cut will run smoothly even with Sony a7IV footage at 4k 60fps 10bit?
The laptop was not connected to the charger that's whyy
Do you think the m1 macbook air (8gb ram) is ok to edit small projects of "sony 4k 100p 10 bit 4:2:2" footage?
What video player would you recumbent to play 8k and 4k footage straight out of A1 on Mac? It would not play on default player.Thanks
Can you please do an in depth comparison between the base 16“ and any m1 Mac including braw tests? :)
Premiere is unusable not from yesterday. To use the Lumetri you have to add them in separate layer on top and that is just one of the many weird bugs in this software. Adobe is trying to push its customers to Resolve and it is working.
Hi Max! I have the Sony A1 and am a hybrid shooter. Would you say the MacBook Air would be good enough as my only editing computer (both photos and video)? I like the light form factor, but want to make sure it can handle the workload.
I like your reviews and analysis in computer world but still waiting from you to dig deeper in Mac mini M1 GPU 8 cures, how the resolution and performance will be with LG ultra wide 49” monitor? I appreciate if you make test for it coz there’s no single video in UA-cam talks about it, thanks, you are amazing UA-camr
I’m getting the m1 Max 64gb really excited
Hi Max, it appears that Apple silicon Macs do not seem to be able to handle noise reduction in applications such as Resolve Studio. Nobody talks about it so before I go ahead and switch from PC to Mac, this is one of the answers I am looking for. I shoot video using various cameras such as the Canon R6, DJI Osmo Pocket, Panasonic Lumix and in some circumstances I need to be able to denoise in processing. The M1 seems to have an edge in decoding HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in hardware for now, but the Intel 11th gen IGP through Quicksync seems to be the first device on the PC able to match the M1 T2 embedded chip. Blackmagic just announced support in Resolve 17.1 for Intel hardware based HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 decoding. We'll have to wait for the end of March when Intel chips get officially released and embargos lifted. Until then I would appreciate it if you and Vadim could touch on how the M1 handles denoising with such a weak GPU. Tahnks for all the great videos and test results on the M1 Mac mini!
Waiting on the Desktops first of all. Secondly, I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but why is everyone surprised that the best way to deal with A1 and the R5 footage is through Proxies. The second 8K was announced I just assumed there would need to be proxies. I don't know if I would trust the integrity of a bitrate low enough to do it without. Just sayin.
It's all great and impressive. But the main question here is for what scenario on Earth do we even have to shoot anything in 8K except to win the numbers game?
Hey Max, can you test 10bit .h265 video like one from X-T4 on the Davinci Resolve with the latest 17.1 update with M1 support.
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Max could you please make a video with premiere beta. Some influencers say beta has serious improvement with M1. But they mostly don't have your resources with camera and codec variation.
Every time you do those comparisons between the 3 main versions of the NLE, it's pathetically embarrassing for Premiere.
Just saw your video on the Mac Pro. Apple's really turned me off their products. What they continue to do with the Mac Pro line shows greed and not a positive customer experience. I've been turned off since 2016 with the new macbooks with everything soldered. I ended up buying an iMac Pro for about $3600, and just recently sold it for $3000 waiting to see what happens with the new MacPro or MacBook Pro. I like FCPX, but I don't like their attitude. Tim seems more focused on money and logistics that providing a superior customer experience. I'm happy to wait and see. Like you, I have a channel and produce a lot of content. I need speed and reliability, but I also need to be able to upgrade. Until there is a management change, Apple will continue to focus on their bottom line and care little about us Pros. They are truly a consumer company. As a pro user, I should want the Mac Pro... I won't even look at it unless it starts at or below $3000.
Get off my lawn much?
Hey Max I am not surprised by your results. We know these are great computers. I wonder where we’ll go from here?
anyone got a short answer? lol
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Did you try Sony 1 8k on MacBook Pro 16' i9?
Now export 8K in H.265 - good luck with that!
Yep!
Why don’t you test this on an external hard drive? Good video but would have like to see the external test and specs of your M1.
Premier barely used the cpu or gpu on playback
How about 4K videos?
Proxy's are in our immediate future 😶
I'm very excited to see this information, I have slightly better specs in my custom PC build so I expect to see similar results and I'm only going to be shooting 4k off the a7siii
Excited for the m1x 14” to come out, if they drop the price on these m1 mbp, i might just grab these instead
Curious, what NLA do Canon users use to edit their footage?
can you review luma fusion apps on macbook m1. im luma fusion user.
Awesome Video Max bc i was thinking about maybe ordering the A 1: was just concearned if i would be able to process the footage and if with which Software.....thank you
I noticed in premiere you have a high HD transfer of 400-500mb sec...???
Whats the downside of using proxy footsge?
Apple is the best 😍