Long Tube or Short Tube Headers: Which Should You Do? - Exhaust Mods!
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- In this video, we discuss Long Tube and Short Tube Headers!
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TLDR
Short= more torque, peak hp lower rpm and usually bolt on factory replacement
Long= more hp, peak hp higher rpm and usually requires custom exhaust.
do you believe everything you hear on youtube long tube headers provide more torque i challenge you to research that he is obviously not a mechanic
Here here!! Even on my paltry little 289 the long tubes win. Up top AND down low. Of course low end on my car is around 2200 rpms.
@@ronniewatts8973 care to elaborate?
NOT true...... at all actually.... you are correct about the custom exhaust though...... and torque numbers will be UP across the entire range
Another thing to consider is the heat from longtube headers.
Considering how tightly they often fit, a lot of the time they can lead to melting wires or suspension bushings, or even causing the transmission to overheat. Long tube headers should only really be used in vehicles with a lot of space to work with.
Seen several bad reviews of parts because it never occured to them that having the hottest part of your car right next to it might be a bad idea.
Header wraps can easily combat this if you dont live in humid areas
@@brendanyazzie2774 or mind getting that shit all over you 😂
Working with wraps are as bad as insulation lol
@@Meekmillan fiber glass sucks. wear good PPE
Not to mention the nightmare install on most! I cheaped out before and it was not fun and they scraped over everything because they hung too low but they still sounded fuc*in awesome! At least I sounded like the fastest car on the block!
This video had really great information. I learned so much and its helping shape my decision on which headers and coatings to finally go with. Thanks!!!
Most of what he told you isnt true. Do more research
The difference I have found between long tube and Shorty headers is 5 hp on the top in. And since I like being able to get the transmission out of the car without having to remove the headers that five horse power was made up elsewhere
So is that 5hp extra on the short or long??? U just said the difference between the two is 5ph but didnt state which one holds it
This was good information. It help answer alot of my questions. Thank you
Thanks for the very informative vid.
I have been trying to decide on the best exhaust upgrade to my C7 Grand Sport.
This has made my decision pretty clear as to which/what setup to go with.
Keep up the detailed vids coming.
What did you go with? I too have a newer C7. Thanks!
I have 1⅝" primaries into 2.5" collector shorties with the ceramic coating. They're rusty. :(
So glad you didn't start talking about "needing back pressure". Thumbs up from me for the accurate explanation.
As a new subscriber, I'm glad I found your channel. I'm about to take my 96 f150 and start a new project. Look forward to checking out your archive. Thanks.
My 5 Gen Camaro loves my bbk headers and x pipe complements the cam beautifully
Frank Stompanato
Long tube headers for me! My big block loves them
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Hell yes
What size motor u got
@@sam198130 496 big block
So u think be good long or short for a 5.7 Commander
Grate video I learned something for when i put a 302 in my truck thank you ,but back pressure is nonsense. Proving by Engine Master's and drag cars look at pro mods or even street cars.
If anyone has a 2016 mustang v6 like me, the only CARB shorties I could find are JBA. Will have them and aFe Mach XP catbacks installed this weekend. (K&N Cai already installed and a Bully Dog tuner for good measure.)
Love these vids, I got JBA shorty Headers on mine.
Thanks bro 🙏
used JBA shorties too. great bang for $ every which way
@@hunterlogan2913 What type of car do you have? And what changes did you notice.
Yes I am not looking to build a drag racer so I’m going with shorty as I do not go faster then 120km and stay around 2k rpm and only need the low end boost so my daily can handle its weight easier
I have Stainless steel long tube headers on my 2002 Chevrolet 6.0 and love them
good info, nice to learn from you.
BBK Shorties, Flowmaster mid-pipe with 4 cats, Magnaflow catback, ZEX N2O and a lot more. Jersey here.
I have a 2014 Dodge Charger R/T AWD Hemi 5.7L. (Only has 31,000 miles on it)
I am looking at BBK shorty either in chrome or stainless. Not sure which I want. (Recommendation please)
Anyway, I figured the long tube would be too tight. and not worth risking extra heat from the exhaust. I already had installed a DynaFlow muffler with that nice "deep mellow" sound. I just want to install headers for that better airflow over the factory headers that has a much more restrictive flow.. I installed a fiberglass SRT8 hood. So with that said, I then installed a Mopar cold air intake and that has been a much nicer ride with just that alone
I have an old E150 Ford van that I am putting short tubes on, I figure the thing rarely sees 3500 rpm so I don't need the long tubes. I just want more efficiency than the factory manifolds.
You forgot to mention long tube headers give a much better exhaust note.
maldo72 exactly
true and hes a little off on the info side about them too check out my post on may 27 2020 i have corrected him
Do shorties sounds better than stock manifolds ?
Not sure if I agree that shorties would be easier to install than long tubes. Just finished installing a set of stainless works long tubes on my car. The fitment was great and they slid right in with no problem or clearance issues. A couple bolts were a little annoying to get at, but those were the same bolts that were annoying to get at when I was taking off the factory log manifolds, and they'd be the same deal with shorties. Install ease I would honestly say is a wash between the 2. Feeling the difference of the long tubes to anyone considering headers and who doesn't have emissions or a lowered car to deal with I would honestly recommend just forgetting about the shorties and go straight to long tube headers. Honestly the difference is insane, my first drive after the header install caught me off guard. Car feels like a totally different machine!
Track Pack R/T hey thanks for the info, I have a 16 Challenger RT Shaker and I think you just made up my mind for the Longtubes!! Thanks brother
Really depends on the car. My friend's 03 Mitsubishi eclipse has the easiest header to swap out vs my 2011 Ram which would benefit more from the space savings of shorties. It's extremely vehicle dependent on how painful the process will be.
Put short tube headers on a daily driven 5.9L v8 MAGNUM in a 1998 Dodge RAM 1500 4x4 along with a low-->midrange Hughes engines camshaft + roller rockers and that woke that underrated Mopar motor right up!
Long tubes now. Considering shortys for starter clearance.
It really matters about flow. Exhaust scavenging is where the velocity of exhaust creates a small vacuum in the cylinder helping intake and cooling. This is cause by expanding hot gas creating suction out the tail pipe. It matters more the application do you want low end or top end. What about mid lengths?
the velocity of the exhaust scavenges exhaust gases out of the combustion chamber which is what you want!!!
I opted for stainless shorty headers on my Foxbody. Long tubes are a pain in the ass to install and work around. Exhaust work in general makes my knuckles bleed, and sometimes I'll curse loudly in my driveway. Don't need any more of that. Foxbody cars are generally very simple and even these cars will give you headaches with steering shaft clearance and general fitment, I imagine they must be even worse on a newer chassis. Long tubes sound nice, though, and give a modest torque boost across most of the range, so they are ideal if you can handle the drawbacks.
I'm upgrading a 2011 chevy colorado 2.9L so what do u suggest buddies? I already put a high performance shift kit to the transmission and a posi track lock unit to the rearend
I Went With Long Tubes On My 06 5.7 Hemi Commander. It Was Either That Or Stock Manifolds lol. No Shorties Available. They Are 1-7/8". Lost Tons Of Power All Over lol. Also Installed A 6.1 Intake. Lost Tons Of Mid And Low End Power. I Think I've Lost About 30HP Overall With My Intake And Exhuast But That Just Tells Me I Freed Up Some Bottle Necks With Port Velocity. I Plan On Putting A Single Turbo And See What It Does. Its A Very "Think Out Side The Box" Turbo Set Up lol.
My 67 GTO loves the long tube, as I have dual Super Chargers.
i'm building the third option not mentioned. tri Y headers provide a scavenging effect at low rpm's think of it like having 6 X pipes on your v8. better than a shorty at low to mid range. good luck finding them though best bet is make them yourself.
Long tubes might be illegal, ill take 5 sets please
If you add 4 high flow universal cats you probably can get away with it.
Breckon Carter in florida they dont do inspection so we dont need cats
@@MARZOSIRUS cats will ruin the power built by the headers theres no point and fyi power upgrades are only illegal in communist run states like colorado and cali so i say screw all commies this is america
@@ronniewatts8973 Exactly I was born here in Socal. I have a Crown Vic and Impala SS 95. In order to pass smog I have to have the catalytic converter s.
I'll be customizing my exhaust on both within the year.
I don't care at all about the sound so I'll use a good muffler to try and muffle as much sound out However best I can. I plan on long tube headers but we'll see.
All though California is too expensive and too many rules. It's my home I was born here.
@@MARZOSIRUS well i wish you well if you need some advise mechanically ill be glad to help
180 degree headers were my only choice for my Pantera, if I wanted long tubes. Looked, sounded & performed great. Living with them sucked, off they came & don't regret it one bit.
Thx for this
I wonder what one would work best on a 3100 v6 for my bumb n run car
my 6 gen camaro adores the kooks 1 7/8 longtubes and remember IF IT AIN'T LONG IT AIN'T STRONG 😂😂😂🤙🤙.
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@Mikeman Jordan nope long's make more power on and off the dyno.
@Mikeman Jordan nope mines is n/a and its just fine. besides you'll take off strong and by the time midrange comes around the tables will start to turn putting long tube headers at the finish line lol😂😂😭👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@Mikeman Jordan nope just get long tubes and join the long schlong crew😂😂😭😭👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 you'll be happier i promise.
Yukon 5.3 v8 2008 with zr1 cam What would you installing cold air intake +long tube headers or short tube headers?
Thanks a lot uncle
Looking to step into better and better preformance with fuel economy being the most important and better than OEM performance next. I am wondering if short headers compatible with a turbo/supercharger would be a good first step and then i could choose a turbo or supercharger upgrade later? What is up with upgrades that include BOTH a supercharger and a turbocharger?
I have a 2001 base model c5. Thinking of doing kooks short tube headers, catted xpipe, and no mufflers. I assume I should go with 1 3/4"? Also does anyone have any recommendations for axel back straight pipes? Lots of performance muffler options, but I'd really like to go straight.
I went with, 1-5/8" short tube headers tuned length, by BBK. They are also polished silver ceramic. The main reason I went with these, is because I live in N.Y. and its a CARB state
2005GT Mustang I have a 07 mustang and I live in NY too how does it sound and do you have a cat back exhaust on it, I’m a little inexperienced when it comes to exhaust.
@@aidanletterese3099 I have not installed them yet. I was planning on having my friend install them last year, but he got in a bad car accident. It's been on my mind to get it done. I hope soon and I'll get back to you
can You make dayno test on long and short one howe mutc will be differenc on one engine
I thought it was the opposite I’ve always seen long tube give back torque in the low range of high reving motor that rely on power up top. I’ve always heard shorties rob bottom end to allow for a fast flow for high revs.
Does long tubes make the truck run loader?
I've heard mixed things
I've got a long tube ceramic headers on my 1970 El Camino with a 350 conventionally aspirated. I hope It's a good choice.
Was it a good choice?
You can only install short tube headers because of clearance problems & they will bolt onto the factory Y pipe. The main problem with installing any type of headers on any late model car or truck is the number & placement of the oxygen sensors.
Can’t even scroll anymore wo ads restarting your scrolling to the beginning. Long tubes was the way to go for my foxbody. I couldn’t believe the difference it made and actually feel the power vibration under your feet.
i got a turbo so options limited
Very helpful! Thank you so much... But I'm still a little confused on the best set up for me at the moment. I have a 2016 gt, auto, with 4.10 gears. So does that mean that I would be better off with short tube headers? Also what size would be the best for that setup? I have a stock exhaust and the only thing I have right now is a roush intake with a 91 tune. Any help would be appreciated.
Man I bet you feel up at least 3 times a week with that gearing setup
I have a 2017 chrysler 300 sport Hemi... Which one is better for my car i want all around power but dont kno which one to choose helppppp
Headers that cool faster, moves air slower. The best coatings keep the heat in the headers for faster air speed.
what about shorties with test pipes vs long tubes?
THANK YOU ! NOW I know what to put in my Charger Jeff!
remember jeff without torque your car wont move i challenge you to actually do some research on the topic i am a mechanic he dosent know what he is babbling about torque wins races all horse power does is carry you so it is important but torque WINS RACES not horse power
@@ronniewatts8973 im still trying to decide which is best way to go on my 06 charger RT, what r your thoughts?
Me personally id go with naturally aspirated engines so i prefer long exhaust pipes but if the engine is reliable enough for the turbo then ill taje short exhaust pipes
is there an in between medium length headers?
Im running hedmens longtubes with no cats no mufflers just straight pipe with 3" to turn downs
Long tubes make more power everywhere vs a shorty. 1 7/8 will make more midrange and up power on 500hp+ Vs 1 3/4" long tubes.
Hey, you seem like a gear head. Look up Rick (or Rich) Holdener and he does a dyno test on shorties vs long tube and you are right. The shorties were better than stock, but the long tubes were better than shorties everywhere.
Wouldn’t short tubes benefit all forced induction motors? Boost is just a measurement for restriction. I understand the theory for turbo vehicles. I’ve never had a turbo charged vehicle except for a diesel pickup but I’ve had 2 supercharged vehicles an 02 lighting and an 04 cobra. I lost a pound of boost on my lighting when I put long tubes on it. I’ve also noticed that a lot of overhead cam motors that do not have variable valve timing do not respond well to long tubes.
Long tube headers offer more torque and hp through the entire rpm range. Shorties are better then stock but not as good at any rpm as long tubes. You left out exhaust pulse benefits that shorties don’t offer. Also the collector tube plays a role as well. Lengthening the tubes raises the portion of the curve below peak and reduces the portion above peak torque; shortening them has the reverse effect.
My supercharger on my 2001 Chevy Silverado love my long tube hedder they are ceramic pace setters, amongst other things.
What headers do you have ? I have an SS looking to buy her some headers
@@ivannunez6430 speed engineering makes a nice set at a great price
Do one for equal length vs unequal length headers.
Will long tube headers off of a gbody Monte Carlo fit my 2000s10blazer with my 350
Good thing I am doing a Supercharger! Long Tube Headers here we come!
Can any 1 enlighten me on how long headers are bad for turbo charger?
@@Regalia157 size restrictions, unless you want the turbo midway down the car you would need shorter exhaust piping to keep the turbo in the engine bay
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Is titanium wrapping worth it for long tubes???
im not really sure what kind of header i should go with for a 5.0l v8 ford f150
i just want a better sound than stock with no cats, are shorties a god option?
What should I get for my 03 gt mustang?
Stainless Works long tubes on my Crown Vic...I get to pick it up when JPC Racing is finished with it.
How much did you pay for the installation labor?
Jayson, I paid $500.00 for the installation on my 2002 Corvette. I purchased Kooks long tube headers, Kooks off~road cat~less X~pipe, and TMP Billy Boat exhaust, and OMG... It was like having a brand new car, and especially with all the compliments everywhere i go... There are so much fun, I can't help myself from pushing the clutch in and punching the gas every time i go under a non populated overpass... LOL... It's also like having a second horn, but way cooler... 😎😎😎
I got shorties on my 5.0 but I'm switching to longtubes in 2 weeks or so
Nice 👍
Why do you feel it has more bottom end torque with the shorties
Because of the dif in spent gas velocity. @@marcozr3138
@@bailey9r whats gas velocity and whats the difference between the two
Marco The headers on each side are designed so that each blast of burned gas (referred to as a pulse) creates a vacuum behind it pulling the next pulse along at the collector (the cone where the pipes meet). The length and diameter of the pipes determine the speed of each pulse, generally the larger the pipe the better power BUT at a higher RPM so less off the line. In other words a 1and 7/8 inch pipe would make power suited to a torque motor and a 2 and 1/4 inch pipe would match a high revving cammed beast. @@marcozr3138
Which are better for centrifugal superchargers?
What about for a lightning
what exact header is best for 5.3 the older ones around 2001 and wat quarter inch piping
Xavier Gaynair pacesetter 2266
I went from shorties to longtubes on a warmed up 88 5.0 HO, it felt like I added over 50 Hp. Clearance is an issue.
@Big Tex
Hooker headers made specifically for the WORLD heads. It was the only option with these heads in long equal length headers. The collector size was the real difference in my opinion. That stupid ball joint is just too small. I think shorties may work well with larger collectors.
@TetoBarraza
The shorties sounded ok to an uninformed observer but it was obvious to me that it needed better flow. Much louder with equal length long tubes but not just louder, sounded right. Like Carroll would have done in the 60s.
On my 83gt and 89 lx the long tubes was best. I used headman headers. Custom made x pipe flow master cat back. You could feel the power the long tubes gave it, car ran cooler. I did have to adjust my timing and retune for the long tube upgrade but it was worth it. It definitely turned heads stock and cammed . Hope this helps someone.
What would you put into a 2003 Ford F-150 Harley Davidson super charged ?
Long tubes with ceramic coating
Catted x pipe
Borla stingers or atak
I’m indecisive between short tube or long tube for my 5.7 300c. I plan on getting the 90mm throttle body to go with my already installed K&N intake. Also plan on getting high flow cats along with a decent cat back exhaust. I feel like I know a lot about cars but I’m not the most educated in this area. Any help or advice would be highly appreciated!!
Sound like the setup I have in mind for my 06 charger R/T
MM- How do long tube headers lower stress on a supercharged engine?
Faster air out..
If you are putting headers on a newer truck go with shorties for more torque on the low to mid rpm range. No need for long tubes on a truck unless it is for drag racing only.
I'm putting a set of shorty headers on a bone stock 2002 Chevy Suburban with a 5.3L engine.
BBK short or long headers on a v6 2015 mustang?
just make your own!
Long tube for my RAM with Hemi
So for a vehicle being built to haul and tow overland, from this im gathering i should use short tube headers?
eh, Im searching this right now and based on the dyno tests ive seen, the long tubes are better everywhere.
I have a 2005 Dodge Magnum RT 5.7 Liter with a Magnaflow High-flow Catalytic converter and a Borla ATTAK cat-back exhaust system. Can anyone recommend which one (Long or Short tube) I should go with? I also live in Texas....
Short tube since you have high flow cats
Long tube or don't bother you're not going to gain 20hp or more with shorties. Th
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I need headers for Toyota Corolla 2014 zre 182 hatchback
so low to mid range power such as a 4WD truck would benefit more from shorties?
Assuming you're staying in low to mid range RPMs.
What would you use on a small NA 4 cylinder engine? and would it boost or free up power more efficiently?
p.s working on a small hatchback with a 1.5L naturally aspirated engine as a project at the moment.
long tubes if you can fget them,i.5 litre should rev higher.
I still dont know why they make long tubes closer to the ground when they dont need to be.
shorty headers with non resonated test pipe? seems like long tubes to me
Glad you did this video... hopefully your research has helped you on your decision. *cough long tube cough* *cough nitrous cough* I know you'll probably go shorty... if you do, you need to gander at Gibson, JBA, and BBK.
Lol I pulled over for downshifting too loudly 🤬 I have emissions testing in March. Should be a good upload but I am seriously considering long tubes after that nightmare is over
Modern Muscle213 well kooks will be the way to go. Good luck on emissions.
Once you do long tubes, make sure you do non foulers for the rear o2 sensors so it don't trip a code. And fill it with steel wool to create a slight "filter"
NOTHING BEATS A HI DURATION CAM MOTOR FOR THAT RASPY THROATY SOUND 🏁
Long tubes on gmc yukon
Shorties for a turbo? Turbos have a completely different type of header than these. Turbo headers turn back toward the front joining into a turbo/intercooler.
Intercoolers are for cooling intake air not exhaust
Anyone else having trouble finding an off road x pipe for your car with LTs?
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Wich headers Will work better with a V6 4.3 Vortec long or shorts ??!!
My Toyota corolla makes a scraping noise after adding the long ones
Lol
thats because it is too low for them long tube headers sit lower they run better but sit low so that will happen if the car is slammed
Long tubes on a Corolla 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂😂😂😂😂
I have a 2003 Toyota Tundra limited 4.7 liter v8 I don’t know what to choose long tube headers or short tube headers
Shorties! I have a gen 1 Toyota and I put JBA Shorty's on with Cat-Back Flowmaster 40 series. It made a huge difference in performance and I get a few extra miles on the gas as well.
More power with the longer tube headers though... JS...
First off, nobody outside of California cares what California says. Everything I’ve ever seen says that it’s known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects. While I still haven’t decided on headers yet it seems fairly consistent that shorties add more power and torque lower in the rpm range while long tubes add power from mid to upper rpm range. I’m still researching to decide which headers are best for me and my car.
Short answer: If you want maximum power, get long tube headers if possible.
what if im not looking for more horse power but a better sound.
than change your mufflers