EPG Review: Why Sonic Heroes Is NOT The First Dark Age Game
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Sonic Heroes gets kind of a bad rep. I mean; considering the art direction, the story direction, and even the general level design; you think this would be the fan favorite of the bunch. But it seems that like with Adventure 2, people have decided to get hung up on "issues" that they've either contrived, or that aren't that bad to begin with. So I'm going to give it a somewhat more positive treatment, because this game deserves it.
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We can call the "Dreamcast Era" the "Ported to the Gamecube Era".
Or Cube Era for short since this is when the games leapt into 3D.
@@JazzyWaffles That's smart
we shouldn't consider Heroes a dreamcast game because it completely ignored and removed SA1 & SA2's character acs forever.
@@x-mighty7602 So? It still plays like those games.
@@harshal1153 no it doesn't!
This review was what I needed in my life
+Haedox I hope you're happy where you're without internet!
He came back a few weeks ago.
ExoParadigmGamer Oh.I didn't know:/
You do realize if he's watching this he's back on the Internet
Kyle Campbell Bruh.
What's with all the dislikes? Disagree with the video all you want, but it was competently made and in-depth, without sounding forced or preachy.
@Mark Donald now it's on 346!
@@kaexewires7531 348 now
BlueFlag Alpha still on 348 lol
Why are you complaining? Not many dislikes
And that’s what makes it the polar opposite of Gligar13Vids’ “review” (if you can even call it that) of Sonic Heroes aka “It sucks because it’s a Dark Age Sonic game”.
That EU release on PS3 is really the PS2 version via emulation. Soo...yeah.
shame. at least adventure 2 is remastered
+Tjoeb123 So that makes doesn't make it all that special.
thanks a lot party pooper
It doesn't make it bad tough.
Snaksi XD True.
Before watching, I agree that Sonic Heroes, while flawed, is not the beginning of the dark age.
That title goes to Shadow the Hedgehog.
The spin off?
+Anyway Channel
Ugh that game LOL. I owned it on GameCube.
+N Hawkins Jr (The Professor) Shadow is one of the better games of the series and is far better than Heroes ever was.
ahatt96 I think its decent and I like to think of it as a spin off rather then a main series title but if I had to choose-
Heroes.
Graphics, music, and story is better, most of the stages are just you and the goal ring and yeah it's way fun to play in my opinion.
***** I like the music and graphics (sometimes several levels didn't really click with me), but my main problem with heroes is the lack of stuff it has to offer. Heroes bores me or frustrates me too much and because there are no other other gameplay styles or level structures that stand out I find myself getting bored with it quickly. I mostly like Shadow for the many different missions and weapons to play with and the Adventure series for the many options. The downside for me is that the current direction of the series does nothing for me so I'm fucked and listening to people screaming for what amounts to Mario games with Sonic in them just annoys me.
I haven't watched this yet, but I'm REAL interested to see how you handle this one. As I just said in another comment, part of the reason i enjoy your work is because your opinions often tend to differ from mine, and I gather from the title that'll be the case here, too.
I was HYPED for Sonic Heroes. I couldn't WAIT to play it. It was the first video game I ever bought with money that I earned myself, on the day it came out.
And to this day, it's my least-favorite mainline Sonic game. It's not the WORST, not by a long shot, but it's far and away the one I enjoyed the least. I'm sure I'll elucidate further whenever I do a video on it, but for now...
This should be interesting!
I love your new video about this game!
I can replay Team Sonic 'till the end of time. But, out of the 3, SA2 is also my favorite since I still love every playstyle.
I agree, I can Play Team Sonic or Team Dark and have a great time. I like SA 1 the most of the three in my opinion.
+J's Let's Plays I like SA1 The best of them even though Sonic Heroes was the first one i played
However with SA2 And heroes its hard to pick
i would probably pick SA2 Simply because its story doesnt take as long as heroes and isnt nearly as repititve
And it has a better multiplayer.
so then you just like team sonic in two games
@@jsletsplays2748 knowing that this channel is really a counterpart of Js Reviews this didn't age well lmao
@@entertainer_ev2747 Definitely not. SA2, Heroes, SA1 is my order.
Sonic Heroes is a really good game. The theme song is kick ass.
it's cheesy, but that can stop it from being awesome, it sure does slaps ass
A part of me finds Sonic Heroes to be a great game, but not a whole of me.
Amy Rose: Sonic, give up! This time you’re mine!
Also Amy: That is no way to treat a lady!
Sonic: Marriage? No way!
Looking at you, Team Rose’
Final boss song even more so
Seeing Peanutbuttergamer's video on this game in comparison to this is just disgusting...what I meant by that is that Exo's vid is better.
I think PBG can be funny and makes some great videos, but his complaints were just that loop-de-loops and grind rails made no sense to be in a forest or city and that it wasn't fast enough.
his complaints funnily enough can be said for almost any other Sonic game
+TzarQuetzal yeah like he doesn't things stopping you. sonic 1 has so much fucking slow platforming and it think people don't understand that the classics have lots of platforming
It's no wonder! PBG's "review" was flawed and biased! EPG tends to avoid these!
^-^
Joshua T yeah the guy's video was bullshit. I mean come on... acting like all the teams play with exactly the same when the differences were quite apparent? Ridiculous.
*Regarding Freedom Planet:* All I was trying to say is that the levels are too long. Almost all of them go one for ten to twenty minutes, if memory serves. Final Dreadnought is the only level that bothers to split things up, but those "acts" go on long too. Also, Freedom Planet has just as much focus on combat as this game does. I don't understand how people can complain about long levels and combat in Sonic Heroes and call it a dark age game for it, yet Freedom Planet is "the best Sonic game in years" despite repeating the same exact design choices.
That's all I was getting at. I thought Freedom Planet was a good game beyond a few minor gripes.
+ExoParadigmGamer really thinked the game was good
+ExoParadigmGamer Honestly I can't call Freedom Planet a Sonic Game. I can't even compare them.
Freedom Planet was a Sonic Fan Game until they change it. The first time I saw and play the demo on the Wii U do reminds me a Sonic game. Check out SomecallmeJohnny review of the game. He also said it feel like a Classic Sonic Game.
+ExoParadigmGamer You should talk about FP in its own video.
+ExoParadigmGamer Why is there so many dislikes your reviews are as critical as Retro Replay's Sonic Heroes review.
Yes because if you belly flop onto a sword in real life it won't hurt you
+Attack_Dog513 Yeah, I thought that argument pretty stupid too.
Attack_Dog513 have you tried it?
I have tried it and nothing happened
Yeah but, the Sonic world isn't the real world and you usually defy normal physics in much more outlandish ways.
@@redblack8766 wait, hedgehogs can defy gravity?
Then: Sonic Adventure 3 would only cater to core sonic fans.
Now: Sonic Adventure 3 would hold the franchise back (yet reuses Green hill in every sonic game)
Im confused...
I think most fans just want a return to the Dreamcast style since it's been about 13 since the last Adventure-esque game.
@@jasoninkurai5463 It's not even just that it's the adventure style. People just want fully 3D Sonic again. I'm not sure that they would stay full 3D even if they brought back the adventure style because it's insanely cheap in comparison to make 2D levels.
Wow, that's a lot of dislikes. I thought the video was great, what's the problem that people see?
Butthurt SA2 fans.
+Hiker DJ i'm an SA2 fan and I love Sonic heroes.
Tye the Monado Boy Good, then you aren't one of them.
Because on the Internet, having a different opinion is considered a crime.
The fact that he thinks Sonic Heroes is not part of the "dark age" games
the classic Sonic fanboys strike again!
I didn't know the PS3 release of Sonic Heroes was only in Europe. But I have that port, and... it's exactly the same as the PS2 port, so don't buy it.
I've played every single port of this game, and I'd recommend the GameCube, XBOX, and PC port.
The PS2 version isn't bad per say.
It just runs at 30 fps and has a lower draw distance as opposed to other versions.
So if I prioritized framerate that much I would never recommend the DC version of SA1 to anyone.
P.S Sonic Heroes PS3 is in Asian Regions too.
Wonder- Games but Sa1 DC is has a consist frame rate
How do you get the pc port? I see it on Amazon, but it doesn't look all that official.
The PS2 version is the only one I played and I hated it. And it took a lot to get me to hate a Sonic game when I was young cause I was a die hard fan of the series and even liked the lower quality games like Sonic Shuffle. I found the game to be almost unplayable in the second half and barely fun in the first half, the other ports must be a LOT better for them to even be considered decent.
@@Diwasho The PS2 version seems to have finicky button inputs.
Which is a problem when switching characters.
On top of that, it feels a lot less stable.
Sonic Heroes isn't perfect, and I feel they slightly ruined the feeling of smooth control from the adventure games with the strange acceleration.
It's still good once you get the hang of it in the other ports.
I think this really hammers home something I've been noticing more and more: even though many Sonic games share similar features, nearly each individual game requires a unique mindset to get the full enjoyment out of it. I think what EPG was saying about people's introduction to the series defining their feelings on it holds a lot of water because the classic games, the Adventure games, Heroes, Unleashed, Colors, Lost World and so on all require you to approach them differently to enjoy them the most. I think this is why so many people love Sonic but why so many people just can't agree on which games are good.
+Michael Kemel That is actually a very thought provoking and smart comment. I didn't think about that before. Kudos!
Sunniva Vangen Robberstad Thank you. That was a very nice thing to say.
+Michael Kemel Well, I do my best. :-) I really meant what I said!
I think Heroes was at least on the drawing board while the Dreamcast was still alive. Close enough. Besides it carries over the story and the same voice actors. Once again, close enough.
+TBrizzle01 Sonic Heroes was originally planned for Dreamcast. It's working title was "Sonic Adventure Heroes".
I... Don't think that is true. Sonic Adventure was released when the Dreamcast was officialy discontinued in North America and almost in Europe.
***** Huh?Sonic Adventure was a Dreamcast launch title in 1999.
Sonic Heroes was indeed planned originally as a Dreamcast title.
Tornado1994 Brain fart, I meant adventure 2.
SONIC HEROES!!!! SONIC HEROOOOOOOSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN!!!!!!!
A MIGHTY CRASH WITHOUT A SOOOOOUND! !!!
RykouMaster STEP ASIDE ILL TURN THE P A GE
*_LIKE A LASER BEAM MY EYES ON YOOOOOOOUUU_*
FEEL MY STORM IS GETTIN CLOSE
HEADIN' YOUR WAaAAAY
Oh my god. Where have this video have been my entire life? Sonic Heroes is one of my, if not, my favorite Sonic game and this video perfectly explains this.
Mmm, you bring up a lot of good points but I have to disagree with you on some things.
The art direction is definitely top notch, the environments were really well designed and the stages were vibrant and engaging. However, the character models, while more detailed than the last game in the series, had an awful sheen to them that made the characters (or most of them anyways) look like they were made of plastic. And seeing as how one has to put up with that in EVERY stage, it's not exactly pleasant to have.
And honestly I feel like most of the level design was pretty good, but the stages WERE too long. And part of that stems from the combat. I honestly don't feel that Sonic Heroes combat is that good. It's not terrible, no, but when it's forced as much as it is (getting keys, hitting switches, and those HORRIBLE mob gauntlets that would come in place of a boss sometimes) just dragged out the stages longer than they needed to. The battle does have it's charm, sure, but with little variety in enemy mechanics (not just enemy variety) it leaves a lot to be desired. I haven't played Freedom Planet (yet) so I can't speak of how that game handles it, but the combat in Heroes got repetitive easily for me because it was, for the most part, more of the same the entire time, but if FP handles combat more intuitively then I probably wouldn't mind.
In contrast, the boss fights were very good in this game, and I feel they're at least on par with Sonic Adventure 2's. Lots of variety in where to attack, how you should use formations, and it was honestly the ONLY time while playing Sonic Heroes that I felt that the health bars for enemies (and in this case boss parts) were used very well.
However, this overall generally good design is dampered by the physics of this game. Sonic style is DEFINITELY too loose as you say, but in addition to that the homing attack is really unintuitive and I feel like that's something that deserved some mention. In the Adventure Series, the homing attack was something used to quickly dispatch enemies as well as clear gaps without creating a break in speed. In THIS game, the homing attack is not only VERY slow but it can often throw you off the stage from how long it drags on. I've died so many times using Sonic style due to this and is one of the biggest turn offs of the game for me. The fact that the physics from this game carried over to Shadow was a big reason that that game also turned me off.
Some of the voice acting drove me nuts though DEAR NEPTUNE. Like the quality of the lines and execution were mostly better, but some of the voice actors paled in comparison to the Adventure series. Tails in particular suffered a MASSIVE drop in VA quality, and I honestly hated playing Team Sonic entirely because his monologue throughout stages drove me absolutely nuts. This may be a personal quip but I'm fairly certain that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Now the music is definitely on point, I didn't notice it very often due to various frustrations with the controls but the music was very pleasant and matched the themes of the stages well. The story was also very nice, it wasn't an amazing story by any stretch of the word but it was fun, executed well, and believable for the established character's personalities ( for the most part.)
I also like the level up system, it encourages you to use more character formations regularly and rewards you by making those characters stronger, and in turn makes boss fights and level completion easier which I think was a very smart move to make.
As a whole, I feel like Sonic Heroes isn't quite as bad as it's made out to be but the way that it turns off so many people is definitely understandable. It's a perfect example to me of a game with great ideas, but somewhat poor execution. In fact it executed a decent amount of things properly, but the things that it did do wrong were big ones (although maybe not as easily seen as such) that put off a lot of people from the core gameplay, which is the driving factor for Sonic games. It certainly has it's charms, but while I feel like Shadow the Hedgehog was the first game in the Dark Ages, Sonic Heroes was definitely the game that guided it to that point. It's probably the one Sonic game I would LOVE to have remade entirely from the ground up so that we could get a truly phenomenal experience that the original was aiming for (and partially achieved).
This is said as a Sonic fan that started with Adventure on the Dreamcast in 2000, then later got Mega Collection, ADX, A2B, and Gems Collection for Gamecube as well as some of the newer entries as well. I started with the Adventure style but as someone that also grew up primarily with a SNES and retro games until I got a Gamecube, the original classics felt right at home for me and I love both styles equally, although in different ways.
If you want an explanation for the voice acting problem: Tails, Espio and Charmy are all voiced by three people *in the same family* a father and sibling kids. I'm not sure what the hell brought on that sudden nepotism, but it would explain why Tails got a massive dip, they probably didn't know how to direct the (at the time 10 year old) kid playing him.
Which...I'm not sure how that happened, I have a feeling even his Adventure voice was almost as young.
TheGoblinaro the fact that people write long and thought out answers on UA-cam.
the fact that people reply to long and thought out answers on UA-cam.
My opinions of the game is closer align with yours then this video.
I think one element of Sonic series understated in this video is that physics are very important to the franchise. This isn't to say they all have to be identical to classic Sonic games since the boost games made good use of them as well, especially when it comes to shortcuts and speedrunning. It's just that the concept of building and utilizing momentum isn't executed nearly as well in Heroes as it was in even other 3D Sonic games.
"At the very least, I'm thankful that you don't have to collect all the emeralds as each team. If that were the case, I'd have to kill myself."
Me: *cries in Sonic Advance 2*
Oof.
at 19:29 you mentioned Freedom Planet's stage length most likely going at how much everyone loved it even though its levels were just as long as Sonic Heroes' levels. Well for me at least, the stage length is one of the issues I had with Freedom Planet and also have with Sonic Heroes. I like stages in a platforming game to be quick, concise and introduce something new just long enough to not overstay their welcome. 6 minutes is generally a good level length imo. Anyway, great video.
Great job with this review, Exo!
Comparing this to Johnny's review 3 years ago, this one feels a lot smoother despite repeating certain lines of footage. While I have never played this game beyond a demo featured on the Mario Kart Double Dash bonus disc, it does sound like people overreact about the controls (people seemed to form this opinion after watching Johnny's review and the SGB playthrough, the latter in which many people consider one of the group's weaker LPs due to them often blaming the game on deaths when it's usually their own fault), and the special stages aren't as awful as they claim.
Much like how I would say not to play Galaxy 2 immediately after Galaxy 1 (or the other way around), I would only recommend playing this game in small increments because of the structure. This way, you can get the full enjoyment from the game without it feeling like it overstays its welcome at the player's own will. I can't really think of a score to give this game, but it would certainly be between a 6.5 and an 8. A solid title that may have been great if not for the needless padding.
Good luck with the ROR for the Adventure series! I'll be waiting!
no mention of how great frog forest is? great music, design, and graphics (especially with the widescreen hack in the pc version). one of my favorite sonic levels ever, even though heroes is not my favorite sonic game
Sonic Heroes on PS2 is worst the port it features stuttering framerate, low draw distance, long and choppy load times, missing sound effects, lame instrumentation on PS2 only, swaps circle and cross buttons outside Japan, and mild technical issues, Xbox other hand is a fine but it suffers slowdowns, GameCube version is the best port, PC version is a port from Xbox but there's one issue and you can mod to 1080p resolution screen, PS3 is pretty solid but is only on European version of PlayStation 3.
For the PS2 version, the load times aren't much different from the Xbox version, and the music isn't different whatsoever. Although, I really don't understand why sound effects fail to play, and having to confirm with Circle is awkward when Sonic Unleashed on the same console uses Cross to confirm.
I got all 120 emblems.
My brother became concerned with my sanity.
The only thing I truly hated about Sonic Heroes was Tails's voice. That was the kind of voice that made you want to rip your ears off.
I know right! He sounds like a baby
It stinks because tails is my favorite sonic character
WEEEEEEEE
@@Gallade082 so tails, do you like France?
Tails in heroes: OU OU OUIII
Oseobulu Ebosele-Park (BADUM tss)
This was my first EVER game, I had it on the ps2, and has moulded me into the absolute geek I am today :'D
whenever i see an epg review in my subscriptions i know its gonna be an awesome ride
+SuperPiposaru I think the exact same thing.
+SuperPiposaru Usually a bit of an annoying one to me.
*NOTE:* Turns out that save states were only in Sonic Mega Collection Plus for PS2 and Xbox. The original Mega Collection had no such thing, so I would've been shit out of luck anyway. I would change the voiceover, but I've already uploaded the video and I can't be arsed to spend another hour rerendering this video.
5:31 DOCTOR IVO "EGGMAN" RRRRRRRROBOTNIK lol
Heroes is best played in intervals one team take a break repeat
For me, Sonic Heroes comes SO close to being really good. From what I remember, there were way too many bottomless pits, rails to grind on, etc. The controls were kinda... idk, slippery? Something just felt off.
I agree, Like Lost world and Unleashed, Heroes gets crapped on way too often! Hell I recently went and Downloaded a GameCube emulator for my Wii U as well as Sonic heroes and it was a fun time! And speaking of the Dark age, I think out of the 5 Dark age games, I think Shadow might be the most bearable to me!
Wait you played Sonic Heroes on the Wii U??
sa97 inc Well I had the disc but it's scratched. And like i said; I used an emulator via the Homebrew channel on the Virtual Wii mode on Wii U.
+TheArceusftw Interesting
i didnt think such a thing was possible
But how do you play the game if you can use the GC Controller?
sa97 inc Classic controller pro.
I don’t think shadow is “bad” but it’s kinda average to me I’d give it a 6.5/10
"ExoParadigmGamer presents... Another damn Sonic review" one of the best parts of the review right there.
Sonic Heroes is the best Sonic game of all time.
That my friends is how you start a flame war.
KaizoJay Not if you understand what opinions are.
premydaremy Do you think im stupid? -_-
+KaizoJay Hey fuck off and leave him alone it is only his opnion
FlameMaster605 605 saids the person who doesn't know how to spell. *opinion
this is actually one of my favorite modern sonic games
please don't hate me for having an opinion!!!
Its fun
@Plays | Smash 4 then you won't mind me saying shadow was amazing in my opinion?
Matthew Johnson New account, but yes I think Shadow The Hedgehog gets slammed too much.
Oh boy! These reviews came out pretty quickly! Either way, amazing job on all of them!
Level design starting from Casino Park can be a PAIN.
Finally, someone who doesn't shit on Sonic Heroes
i first played this game on the Mario Kart Double Dash Bonus Disc
The dreamcast era games (especially this one) are flawed but enjoyable
+Kyle Campbell I agree. Plus the music is pretty good, I kind of miss the old rock tunes since most newer Sonic games have orchestra sounding stuff.
every game has flaws
That's true, But game fanboys will think their favorite game is perfect. No matter the flaw.
Every game is flawed but enjoyable. It really depends what you personally can and cannot stand
Oh my gosh Mega Collection Plus felt the same way after coming from Shadow the Hedgehog and Riders.
Yes, I like Shadow the Hedgehog... it was my first 3D Sonic game and even though I barely play it now, I still get a kick out of it in some respects.
You can go ahead and call me weird for liking Shadow more than SA2 now internet...
@@djhawk8454 I don't. I love shadow.
I played the 2d games first, then generations, then heroes, and I still love heroes despite its flaws
Bless you for this balanced review. I really enjoyed this game, and the constant slamming of it was getting very exhausting.
Team Chaotix FTW
4 YEARS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Sonic Heroes was also my first Sonic game. Thanks for bringing that up!
this was the 1st sonic game I completed and I loved every bit of it
Man, I wish I could roll my R's like that. Grrrreetings!
+Son of Tiamat Me too
Soft Amerrrricans orrr Brrrritish orrrr otherrrr English-speaking people. :P
Shulk the Homs LOL!
I disagree. Metal Madness is one of the best final bosses in the entire series.
Very interesting review. I swear your reviews are the kind of reviews I wanna see when it comes to these titles. I was always a fan of this game. People called it the beginning of the dark age becasue they didn't love it like SA2. But this game was certainly no where near the level of say Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic 06. At All. I played the crap of this game much like the Adventure games too. In fact I did fully completed this game becasue I had the strategy guild. But doing all that to get Hard Mode was lame, and less fulfilling. I couldn't agree more with all the positive aspects you mentioned. The way you describe Team Chaotix's gameplay, no wonder I find myself loving there gameplay most when it came to this game. I play as them the most, and just enjoy them in general as old characters returning that lots of fans were less familiar with for fair reasons. So I had tons of appreciation for there appearances in this game, and it's nice to see someone else appreciates them as much as I did. I would not discuss them because everyone apparently hates them, and so glad there's finally that one guy who understands, and even acknowledges there previous existence. I love any intelligent reviewers that mentions all the good and faults of a game, and not just hate coming with less research. But everything you describe in your review for this game is why it's more on the underrated side. It's the tediousness of it that got fans wanting to think this game is worse then it is. It always baffles me how decent this game really is, and yet ever thinks it's the start of a new level of bad Sonic games. Far as I'm concern, best positive informative review I've seen of this game. Even if this isn't your favorite Sonic game, you weren't just talking about it to hate, or think it's just a mediocre title like many typically do when ever video making this game. I know it's flaws, but fans exaggerate them when compared to the crap we had since. Team Chaotix, and Team Sonic were definitely my favorite. And Last Story dare I say is one of the most epic stuff of any Sonic game. It felt as if it was the conclusion to the true old era for Sonic. The Special Stages were pretty meh, but I did liked the way they tried to go back to the classics by having it be a thing where you enter them to get emeralds. Thank you so much for this review.
After revisiting this game on Gamecube after playing it on PS2 yeeears ago, as of now, this is my second favorite 3d Sonic game, only behind SA2. I consider it very underrated, and I think your review does a good job showcasing that.
Sonic '06 kicked off the dark age! Shadow was awesome (if you can deal with edge, which i can)!
Mr. Shellduck Shadow was decent tbh
Why the hefty sum of dislikes?
I was today years old that I learned how to sonic heroes special stages. My thumbs remember the pain
I liked Sonic Heroes when it came out when I was in third grade, and I still enjoy it now.
Definitely feels like Sonic's version of Mario 3D Land, where they try to combine elements from both their past 3D and 2D games into one entity. I really like the "2 Acts, then a boss" structure in a 3D game without any hub worlds or long cutscenes in between. With the Chaos Emeralds being optional this time around, I really wish they had gone the extra mile and made Team Super Sonic playable in regular levels...
the chaos emeralds aren't optional. You need them for last story
Sonic Heroes could've been called Adventure 3 if it had a chao garden. They stepped up from adventure by letting you play three characters at once,, and you beat every different story to unlock a final story to beat the game just like adventure.
The problem is that with the exception of team chaotix, all the stories are exactly the same so unlocking the final boss is incredibly tedious.
3:06 big error...the adventure formula was successful.
this was to me the last good sonic game.
Colors? Generations? Lost World?
SteveDoidoUltimate have not got to play em yet,
+emptyspotlight Do you have a good PC or a 7th gen console? because Generations really deserves a try xD
I think mine's a good pc. and i have been meaning to get that game tbh
emptyspotlight If you want to play it don´t buy it on steam, You can get it for like 7 bucks in G2A
Good review and now you've got me interested to hear your full thoughts on Shadow and the Storybook Series.
Well I mean, the only Sonic games that are "bad" are Rise of Lyric, that one on the Wii with the broken controls, and 06. The majority seem to forget the sins of Adventure.
The one on the Wii was sonic and the secret rings or sonic and the black knight
Sonic colors had good control
First Sonic Adventure has NOT aged well.
+Tony TheTGR at all
you mean those two: Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Sonic and the Black Knight. Colors, on the other hand, was GR8
I think this game, when being compared with the previous Sonic games, are noticeably slippery. But at the same time I can count maybe one or two times in my recent playthrough where it bit me in the butt. Aside from that, it controls alright. Not as good as SA1 or 2 but it works.
But I like this game a fair bit. I plan on talking about it on my channel in the near future, so I'm pretty excited to play through it again! :)
If you want to play the full game, I would recommend this order
1) Team Rose
2) Team Sonic
3) Team Dark
(2, 3, or 4) Team Chaotix
I chose this order to make the game feel as it was becoming harder by the next team and if you feel like you can't anymore with running from start to finish you can take the mission route with Team Chaotix.
It my first sonic game too.
You know what's funny? I own the "worst" version of this game, and I still love this game.
...And this is coming from someone who grew up with the original Sega Genesis trilogy.
Great video as always EPG.
Whilst I think this game is good (especially compared to more recent 3D Sonic games) I think there is a genuine issue with the game’s design. An important thing to realise is that Sonic is all about flow, as the level design and controls would allow you to manoeuvre through environments quickly should you have the skills to reach those speeds. This is the foundation of which the series is built upon, but this is something Heroes does not achieve. Switching between different formations completely changes your mode of movement, you could be running fast with sonic but once you switch to knuckles or tails your speed is drastically cut in half.
Now, like you said, the flow should come from you knowing where to switch formations, but the thing is throughout the entire game, there are signs everywhere which automatically switch you to the formation you need to be in, restricting any kind of imagination or skill, which is a shame because thinking outside the box is what made the previous games so rewarding to play and get good at. There’s just a very specific way to play stages in Heroes.
The combat system is also a thing that takes away from the level design. Constantly stopping to take out enemies to proceed was never the point of enemies in Sonic games, they were hazards that the player needed skill to manoeuvre over. In Heroes, that philosophy is done away with and instead implements a clunky combat system that doesn’t flow well with the stage at all.
Overall I don’t think the way the team switching mechanics were implemented lived up to the potential, nor did they work with the level design.
Why you talking shit about Sonic Chronicles man? I thought that was one most people who played it really enjoyed?
Anyhoo, I love Sonic Heroes, but I've honestly found it to be really unforgivably glitchy at times. The tedium is definitely there but I don't have a huge problem with it so long as I'm not dying due to bullshit (As was happening the last time I played the game). I know I can do it though since I beat the game when it was new lol
I like heroes. But i feel like adventure 3 would of been the better game overall. especially if it kept the same gameplay style of the first two
Your friend Nick on Planet Ripple loved Shadow the Hedgehog. It's a great game and is not the start of the dark age.
I'm gonna be honest, I like a lot of the aspects of this game's gameplay, but honestly, the levels feel too damn long. Everytime I try to replay this game especially around Rail Canyon, the levels start to feel like they just drag out. I'm sure I'm in the minority about this, but Team Rose is my favorite team to play BECAUSE of the shorter levels. I'd not go as far as to call this a bad game over that alone, but its just not my cup of tea for Sonic levels to be on average 8 minutes long.
I'm gonna admit, this is one of my favorite sonic games.
26:31 your -arrogance- nostalgia blinds you, master Yoda.
Sonic Chronicles is good, give it a second chance. You might like it. 😉
9:36 Sonic Heroes was created like a Mario game (gameplay first, story later) which created some limitations. Eggman's goal in all the games before heroes was transform all animals into badniks. but in this game, they completely forgot that. the only animals we see besides the main characters are the hermit crabs in Seaside Hill, the frogs and the alligatior in Frog forest and Lost Jungle, making the game seem kinda empty. they had to make Tails a useless brat, ignoring SA1 & SA2, make Rouge want jewels ignoring SA2 for the sake of putting her in the game to have a fly character in team dark & make Knuckles go along with Sonic, ignoring SA1 & SA2 and the worst thing they could have done: remove the master emerald. this was the path to make Knuckles dumb. this is what many people knew as Sonic by the time. it didn't help that every game after heroes maintains this nonsense. if Sonic Heroes didn't exist, maybe the dark age would never have existed.
Imo it was '06 that started the Dark age. This and Shadow we're atleast enjoyable by a good amount of people. Idk anyone that like '06 at all tbh.
Except the soundtrack. 06 rocked at that.
5:16 only SA1 did this. Amy and Big didn't have many cutscenes.
It sure is a shame Sonic Heroes gets so much hate. It tried to do something no other Sonic game has done before, kinda like Lost World. Although Adventure 2 was a good game and I respect your opinion Exo, Sonic Heroes seems to have aged a lot better. From its presentation, music, boss battles, etc. its an enjoyable game! Sure, its different, but to me its different in a good way! Not a bad one like other fans give it. It truly is the definition of an underrated game.
I honestly don't mind playing through the stages. You don't have to do it all in one go.
Am I the only one who feels like Sonic never entered the "Dark age"? I can honestly say every Sonic game I played, I loved. From back when I was a kid to now in my final weeks in high school. I love em' all. 😃
+ProtoBlur I honestly wish I could be you.
+Sonic Kirby My love for all the games might come from the fact that all the "dark age" sonic games I grew up playing as a kid. In fact almost EVERY "dark age" sonic game I played was before games like adventure 2 or the classic. Even now, im playing 06' for the 5th time and im also trying to 100% Shadow.
I bet if Ride to Hell was a Sonic game you'd probably love it just because it's a Sonic game and you "grew up" with Sonic.
+Brandon MacLeod Honestly, SOME of it is because of nostalgia. I genuinely really like all the "dark age" Sonic games. No matter how bad a game is to the general public there will ALWAYS be someone who likes it.
ProtoBlur
We have a name for people like that. We call them idiots with bad taste.
5:42 Knuckles ignored the Master Emerald forever after this game for the sake of being in the games.
Unpopular opinion:
I really like Sonic Heroes Shadow The Hedgehog and Sonic 2006
Shadow the hedgehog is very unique compared to other sonic games , that's why I think it's somewhat cool to play
"It's simple straightforward and light-hearted and for a Sonic game that's all you really need" I'm sorry but I hate it when people try to throw their taste as the way everyone else should think. Because different people like different things, Like me I really like the story in Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 Because they were more than just simple and light-hearted, They had actual world building, character growth, and showed Sonic is more than just a snarky smart-ass like more recent games decided to get rid of
@Hkg 1 The only bad voice acting I could ever remember from Adventure 2 was Tails, everyone else sounded good to great. As for adventure one it was the first Sonic game to have full voice acting and they were given no context for each line they had to record. Lastly you didn't address any of my other points that I made
23:12 THANK YOU! I'm so F**king tired of people complaining about how it doesn't work when they don't play it right
...Something about the characters rubs me the wrong way; I don't like their designs in this. Too...plasticy? Shiny? Something like that...SA2 looks better than this.
I've also never played a single Sonic game for more than a few minutes, aside from Unleashed (perhaps an hour or two? It was years ago now, so I don't remember).
Props to opening the video with Hang Castle. This track never gets old.
Is it just me who finds the controls really broken in this game? Like i'm playing as sonic and press the button to switch to tails but the game selects knuckles instead. Sometimes the wheel will even spin the full way round and land me back as sonic. It also doesn't help that there are bottomless pits everywhere in this game, plus a lot of levels seem to have a huge difficulty spike right at the end.
Also, having to defeat a room full of enemies with shields in order to progress? Just why?
This not only wasn't the first "dark age" game, it also brings out the best of the fanbase.
After Adventure 2, it just felt like a tremendous step backwards in a lot of ways. Could have been so much better. And then the games after that didn't help.
Pretty sure the reason the English lip sync is fine in this game is because it was developed by the American division of SonicTeam, developed in English FIRST and other languages second.
People: WE WANT SPEED NO PLATFORMING
Sega: *Makes a game about speed*
People: No not like that
6:26 Rouge ignores her SA2 arc and doesn't tell Shadow what his SA2 arc is.
You know that Rouge doesn't know EVERYTHING about Shadow, right? Sure, she could tell him a few things, but she can't know about everything about him.
@@ChiefMedicPururu And you know she read Gerald's diary. She knows Shadow's promise to Maria.
@@x-mighty7602 Doesn't mean that she knows Maria and Gerald through and through. Reading about someone and KNOWING about someone is not the same thing.
I would actually take Sonic '06 over Heroes ANY DAY. I didn't have issues with Sonic '06 so...It's actually...Don't hate me...MY FAVORITE.
...HOW!?!?! I am literally trying to comprehend how the fuck 06 can be your favorite game!?! Was it your first Sonic game, did you have nothing else to play, just...why!? I can understand liking it...but favorite!?
Simply put: it's not a bad game
i dont think the darkage is that bad. i actually give heroes a lot more crap than shadow the hedgehog. doesnt mean that its really bad,the game just never really worked for me. the ost is amazing tho
I'm not the kind of person to say I got the first comment. So i'm just going to say Hi everyone. Enjoy the video.
0:54 the classic games had Knuckles as the guardian of the master emerald and Eggman transform the animals into badniks. unlike heroes.
Why not just buy Sonic Mega Collection Plus for PS2/Xbox/PC and Sonic Gems Collection (European/PS2 version) instead of Sonic Mega Collection for GameCube. Because you can have more games in a collection than the separate games.
Just something I thought of as to why Rouge never tells Shadow who he really is: I honestly thought this could have been because while Rouge did recognize him, I want to say she didn't say anything, hoping that maybe he'd eventually figure it out on his own, maybe get pieces of his memory back. In Shadow the Hedgehog, same thing. Only when you unlock the true ending, which I'll admit is really dickish, does Shadow not only get his memory back, but both Rouge and Eggman reveal the truth as well. Oh by the way, I don't consider Shadow the Hedgehog a bad game. I'm not one to just write it off as a bad game because of how different it is. I can say the same for the Sonic Boom games. You guys can complain all you want, I think those games are fine as they are, whether they're glitchy or otherwise. I say that because I never enjoy the Sonic games for the same reasons, rather I enjoy them as individual games. Well, all except the day stages in Unleashed, Colors, and Generations. When compared to each other, they all feel really samey, and I don't mean that in a good way.
PS2 more powerfull than Dreamcast! ha! good joke. The only thing that the ps2 does better than the dreamcast is polygons, but the Dreamcast does everything else (textures, sound, resolution, etc)
better.
Yeah, right! The DreamCast was more like a PS1 in terms of power. I get fed up whenever someone says it comes from the same generation as the PS2, Xbox and GameCube because it really isn't. Playing Sonic Adventure 1 (don't have 2) is just plain humiliating - Sonic's awful facial expressions. The DreamCast was clearly a failure... that's why it didn't sell.
o.o wow man you must be tripping on acid or something.
Well, it's either that or Sega judt couldn't be bothered to give their games good graphics.
+DAVITLES He is. SA1 was developed originally for Saturn 2/Dural hardware and not Dreamcast hardware at all. He's also clearly a Sony fanboy. DC was better at polygons and RAM output than even the convoluted PS2.
+Tornado1994 Not all of it is real lad, I have a little bit of experience with 6th gen consoles and the PS2 can indeed show at best 7 million fully textured polygons, meanwhile the Dreamcast can do at max arround 4 to five million fully textured polygons, also the ps2 is Able to do better reflection efects becouse it has a component inside its motherboard thats its specifically done to do so, but other than that Dreamcast is able to surpace the Ps2 on textures, Draw distances, etc.
it was my first sonic game too! I actually love sonic heroes. fun fact im an european