Sonic Heroes Review - Quickies Don't Cut It
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Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 formed the blue hedgehog's first outings into the world of 3D gaming. When these titles were still fresh, both had been very well-received by critics as well as loyal Sega and Sonic followers, comfortably sneaking over the 80% mark if GameRankings is anything to go by, and the community love for the Adventure games has been very evident since their releases. Due to the cancellation of the Sega Dreamcast in early 2001 and the company's retirement from the console hardware business, future games would have to be developed for the competing sixth generation consoles: the Sony PlayStation 2, the Nintendo GameCube and the Microsoft Xbox. It took Sonic Team over two years, but in December of 2003, the first multi-platform Sonic title came out in Japan: Sonic Heroes. Intended to celebrate the twelfth anniversary of the franchise and created to appeal to more casual players, initial reviews for Sonic Heroes were noticeably less favorable than the ones for its 3D predecessors, with averages ranging from 64% for the PlayStation 2 port, to 73% for the Xbox version. 73% isn't too bad of a score, but for as long as I can remember, Sonic Heroes has generally been seen as the start of the series' downfall and a good amount of fans will argue it's a horrible to mediocre installment, failing to meet the quality standards of the Adventure games. Is the game deserving of all this flack in my eyes? Grab some drinks and snacks because you're in for a long ride to hear my full thoughts.
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Writing, editing & narrating: Michael Hardeman
Game creation: Sonic Team
Multiplayer assistance: ''Rick FM''
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Great review! I love this game to death, but I was able to see your point of view and agree with a lot of the things you were saying. And I'm so glad someone realizes the level design is some of the best in the series.
As a fan of this game, I extremely enjoyed this review. Instead of just writing it off as shit as most would, you highlighted its strengths while picking apart its glaring weaknesses, all while remaining generally positive. Great video, thank you.
Nice. Glad you enjoyed the video. :D
Great review man, good job! Heroes was one of my first 3D Sonic Games, had a lot of fun with it. I'd like to see you tackle another one of Sonic Team's hidden gems Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg.
+Mac Blackledge Thank you, sir. I'm glad to have been of good service. I know of Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg, though I've never played it. Perhaps one day I'll make a video on it, but I already got my plate full enough with other games to cover. Still, appreciate the suggestion and comment!
I hear ya, so many games with so little time. Keep up the good work!
Your dedication to in-depth analysis and hard press work of effort is truly a prodigy to behold. Seriously man, you're soooooo underrated and i'm ticked that your views barely match the quality of your videos.
Well, thanks a lot, man! I really appreciate the kind words and positivity. Hopefully my channel will grow to great heights eventually. :)
Adventure fans aren't use to light-hearted kid friendly. But, i hope Genesis fans enjoyed it, Heroes was paying tribute to the Genesis fans and classics, showing Genesis fans that SEGA still cares about them and letting new kids join in on the fun.
Sonic hero’s is my favorite sonic game I love absolutely everything about it obviously there are some things I would change and don’t like but I more fun playing this game than any other sonic title
Hey man keep up the good work I found you recently and have seen all yout reviews!!! I am wondering if you will ever review the classic Sonic series I would really like to see that.
+Jahleel Acevedo Thanks! Awesome to read you wanted to see them all! :D
Yes I will but I have no idea when. Got so many games I wanna look at! Haha.
I love your videos there awesome! Would love another sonic review possibly sonic chronicles of if you prefer console games maybe sonic unleashed or even sonic boom
+Robin Hood I don't think I am returning to Sonic anytime soon, but when I do it will likely be with either Sonic Advance or Sonic Unleashed.
Chocola not cheese
Sonic Jam was the first 3d sonic game
The review good, But honestly, the controls where good for me in my second playthrough, in my first i had the same prob u said from minute 23:50
-but it felt like you nitpicked at one point XD- imo...
You know, i hear people bring up the special stages every time this game gets talked about. Honestly I didnt have that much a problem with them, except for special stage 3 (Seriously, F**K that one! The emerald is way too damn fast). I have the ps2 version so maybe that explains it? I had no idea the special stages could feel different between versions.
Who else thinks this is like a 3D chaotix?
Make more for Xbox 360 and Xbox one
iv'e tested it and I swear the power character are the slowest.
my first game:)
This channel is so incredibly underrated.
Benjamin Juge The amount of Sonic makes it very niche
I think the ring dash works better when you're in the air. Whenever it's on the ground I find myself only getting one ring but jumping in the air while lined up will work without a problem. That said great review overall.
+cjszero01 Ah thanks for the information! I did notice I never had a problem when doing the Light Dash airborne. Still weird, though. Haha.
Thanks mate. :)
I know it's like a year old but it's probably because you end up picking up the few rings before doing it and other times it assumes you'll do it in motion and it must mess with the scripting of the dash somehow.
The ring dash never worked for me on ground, I first tried it in Hang Castle on Team Sonic but kept dying because I didn't think to jump, unfortunately now that I know how it works and that jumping fixes it I no longer have the game.
Sonic Avenger and Sonic Avenger 2.... taking place during Antman's evil plan
Lol, I think it's funny. No worries.
nothing personal
I know. The comment originally made me laugh, haha. Thanks.
no its pronounced sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2
by the way Dude its pronounced Sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2 Remember that okay?
Ah Sonic Heroes. I very much have a Love/Hate relationship with this game. One one hand I appreciate the effort put into the levels, with it's variations and risk rewarding. I also liked the simple yet engaging team aspect, and when I'm kicking ass with all characters I have fun. On the other hand there are those days when the game decides it doesn't want to be fun and wants to frustrate me. Slippery controls and infrequent inconsistent glitches have led to many a demise, and those sloppy half-assed special stages combined ultimately hurts the trust factor I have with this game.
Not bad tho.
Also is the homing attack inconsitstent in terms of when it wants to work or is it just me?
@@White_Recluse late on reply but homing attack pre the lockon visuals in sonic games have always been a gamble
I love Sonic Heroes, and in my opinion it is really underrated. It has some good replay value. I still have fun playing it to this day.
but y'know whats *really* underrated...
...the advance games ;-;
That's true, well I feel Advance 2 is way overrated (I hate that game) but yeah 1 and 3 are definitely underrated
@@BobbyHillHyperTails18 I agree. I love Advance 1 and 3 but hate 2
at least its a FULL 3D Sonic game that we all love
“That we all love”
Pfft
22:55 XD
Anyway, very good review. I've been watching a few of your videos and am gobsmacked you don't have more views! You've easily earned a sub from me. Good work!
Hey, thank you very much for the kind words! I am glad people are discovering the channel lately. That means a lot. :)
Retropolis Zone No worries, man. I'll share this with the Sonic community I'm in because you're definitely worth a watch :)
I remember it took me 2 years to figure out that there was a final segment off screen at the story select screen. It only happened because I wanted to select chaotix and I kept the left button pressed instead of tapping it 3 times.
I heard Cream say "I'm so happy, I want to kill everyone" instead of "tell". I'm messed up.
I honestly glad that I am starting to see good Sonic Heroes Reviews, thank you.
The only 3d Sonic game I played Before Sonic Heroes was Sonic R.
Let me tell ya, when I played it, it was like amazed by its colors.
I never played it for the ranks. I just played it because it was really fun and had beautiful colors. I can't play this game anymore because I got no longer an Xbox. Althought I am thinking of buying it.
+Shadowtails Derol No problem, glad you liked this review. :)
Sonic Heroes is definitely a fun and colorful game. I just wish it wasn't as buggy as it is, y'know?
Good review. I can't really say I disagree with any of the points you made. Personally, I liked the team concept but it wasn't very well executed. My biggest gripe is having to go through the exact same levels in 4 separate stories just to unlock the final story. That was a bit tedious. Especially when some of the stages are long. I hate the Team Chaotix stages in particular, they especially dragged on for me. And completely agree about the cheap deaths aspect. Damn bottomless pits everywhere like you said. Nice work!
This review made me realize this game is kinda like a Sonic Advance CD/3D. Heavy emphasis on bottomless pits, classic-like design, and the need to use all characters to get the final level.
dead man Sonic Advance CD?
Cd only has bottomless pits in one level. Metallic madness act 3
CD barely has any bottomless pits at all
Nice review
Thank you, sir. :)
yay man it was good
My favorite team to play as was Team Chaotix, the reason being is the other teams only have Goal Rings, and while I'm fine with that it's good to have a change of pace. Team Dark and Team Chaotix both give you more difficulty, but while Team Dark has unfair difficulty curves constantly, Team Chaotix felt like it had the perfect difficulty for me alongside Team Sonic.
It's nice to see someone giving justice to this underrated game.
Sonic heroes always was my favourite! (At least from that day I played Sonic Adventura again after beating Sonic Heroes.)
Much better than the adventure games imo but the repetitive nature of this game really holds it back from being a really good game.
Black&Blue Controls too imo.
I hope someone makes a reworked fan hack someday to fix the issues it has, I love the game and want to see it in the best possible light :)
How do I get the PC Version to play in 1080p? Also how did you get such good Gamecube and PS2 footage?
i'm so glad you brought up the issue of unfair deaths and it's a great game
I must say, I dunno if it's true about Sonic Heroes on PS2, but if yes, that would explain why I never got to Last Story, nor even more then one 100% playthrough... by only with Team Rose, cuz the bugs and unprecise meddling on esp. Rail Canyon/Bullet Station and that Frog Forest 2 part acts just killed me so often where I sometimes ragequitted for reasons stated in your analysis AND for losing about 7-10+ lives just because of glitchfulness just lets me get angry at a such colorful promising game, I'm still happy at some memories of it, but these bugs/glitches are just too much, esp before ending a level. So congratz on everyone kicking this' game's butt!
If one Sonic game could be remastered I would pick this one.
I thought Power types are the slowest? At least, that's what I remember from getting a fly type and power type to run side by side in 2 player...
This game ducking deserved a proper sequel that could’ve address the issues with the controls and 100% completion. That sequel would’ve been hailed as the best 3D sonic
This is my favorite Sonic game ever.
If I get a new ps2 i will get this game on the GameCube and see how I feal
How dare you not mention Metal Sonic characters he is by far the best character in the Sonic series
This and crash bandicoot WoC were my first 2 games ever, I loved them both and still do, have played both within the last 3 weeks
Part of why the PS2 version is ragged on are the graphics. The shadows are generic circles instead of being shaped, things like that. I've only played it for an hour, so I can't speak in terms of other things, but that one I have seen. I've always stuck to playing the Gamecube version just cause that's the controller of the 3 that I'm the most comfortable with.
Yeah the PS2's graphics look a lot more jagged, there aren't as many effect and the framerate is merely 30 instead of 60. Also, slowdown sometimes! :D
And that game generation was when the graphic wars took over the over console wars, so that did nothing but chum the waters like nuts. lol
the cheesy dialogue wasn't so bad when I first got the game, but man, Sonic is at his worst with the power of friendship stuff. But you brought up a GREAT point with the sound mixing, it's done well and nobody is accidentally interrupting each other or the music isn't blaring so loud that you can't understand anyone. I am glad that someone reviewed this game and didn't blatantly hate it.
Nice review but to be honest I prefer Sonic Adventure over Heroes, I understand the flaws of how people see Adventure 1 and 2 but personally I didn't mind them. I do honestly think Sonic Adventure 1 felt more like a classic Sonic game in 3D more than Heroes in my book, despite their camera problems, and glitches.
Heroes is just a strong love/hate relationship when I played it, Rail Canyon was a painful experience when I was younger. The fact that how slippy Sonic moves in companions to SA1 is just a downgrade, and the bits when enemies appear you might get hit if you were going fast.
I do like Heroes for it's music and interesting levels ideas but that's all I could really say that I like about Heroes, the flaws with the controls, and the rails of how they work just made me felt disappointed.
I wanted to like Heroes, it had a cool idea but it's so damn repetitive to play the same levels over and over again to get to the final boss of the game. Atleast in Sonic Adventure 1 had shorter stories with only a few levels in Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Big, and E102, and Sonic Adventure 2 had different locations so it felt fresh and different than how the character in Team Light, or Team Dark did.
I know I'm late to this, but great review.
My cousin gave me the PS2 version for Christmas, but I haven't played much of it due to my console breaking down. I think this review has definitely made me excited to play it and hoping I get a PS2 again soon.
The Xbox version is by far the best version (I have xbox, gamecube and pc versions). The controls are by far the most solid, although the problems you mention still exist, the characters respond far more promptly in my experience. Fantastic game though. I wish we'd had a proper follow up to it!
If you love the concept but hate the game, you should try out the Sonic 2 Hack known as 'Sonic Classic Heroes'
Oh man, I forgot about all the cheap deaths, each one coming back to me when brought up. Even before going here from your Shadow the Hedgehog review, the little bit of Heroes footage shown there brought me pseudo-flashbacks of annoyance and dread. Despite the game's brokenness, however, it was still among my favorite video games when I was younger; I guess I loved the looks and feel enough to look past the flaws. With all that said, the death at 31:04 is pretty funny.
>failing to meet the quality standards of the adventure games
you’ve got to be delusion to call adventure 1 and 2 “quality”
Definitely an underrated game. I enjoyed Sonic Heroes much more than the Adventure games.
...did you actually just call knuckles Chaotix *awful*
Yeah, I don't like that game at all.
Retropolis Zone
...but why ;~;
I have a review on that game. I explain why in that video.
did you know Big the cat can fly watch darkspinesonic for the glitch.
This game i loved the second time , back in junior high when this came out i was turned off about it , but after getting the game the second time and trying to get 100% i ended up loving the game because of it's difficulty
Thank you for this review, Sonic Heroes is one of my favorite Sonic games. The style of the game is the best the series has been in 3D, and despite having multiple characters, all of them share the same fun gameplay style, and it all feels so "Sonic". I really wish they would give this formula another shot, because this game, with all it's flaws ironed out and better level design, is pretty much how I want a 3D Sonic game to be.
Hey Dude it's pronounced Sonic adventure and Sonic adventure 2
Sonic Heroes is definitely in my top 5 favorite Sonic games (especially after finishing it a few months back) but I can acknowledge that yes the game has some serious flaws and I feel that this review did an amazing job analyzing everything the game has to offer. Really great video.
On another note the fan boy deep inside me got a bit shook when you said that Cheese went missing instead of Chocola who was the actual Chao that went missing lol
I like this channel style
i would buy sonic heroes if was a re-release for steam
What's up with all the bird themed robots in this game
I HATE Rail Canyon and Bingo Highway. Other then that, I remember playing through this game several times..sadly I had the PS2 game, and never got to experience the superior Gamecube version.
Was Knuckles Chaotix not good?
Wow, what an awesome review - love the attention to detail! Haha, I always thought the PS2 was the buggiest version; that was the main reason I never got to the Last Story.
Thanks man! I'm glad people like the reviews. :)
It's cool
5:29 shadow. DABBING? WTF
I really want a Sonic Heroes 2 just focusing on Sonic Tails and Knuckles with a solid 15+ levels and good story. While the writing wasn't the best, I still love this game and its still fun to play to this day
I'm a die hard sonic fan and these reviews are really great dude very fair and reasonable thank you, you've got a new subscriber
Thanks man. :)
5:29 SHADOW FUCKING DABBED!!!!
good job bro👍👍
+Amrit Sohi Thanks, Appie! 👍
Damn, you pinpoint everything that is good and bad even on the ones that I never thought about but I experienced it while playing.
Also may I ask what kind of capture card you are using for console gameplay?
+MrGamer1992 Thanks a lot! Well I have to pinpoint everything with video lengths like this, right? ;)
I use the AverMedia Live Gamer Portable. I record GameCube games from my Wii U over HDMI, though.
Retropolis Zone
Wait, you can play Gamecube games on the Wii U? O_O
*Tell me more plz*
+MrGamer1992 Search for a program called ''Nintendont'' and you'll find out from there.
Retropolis Zone
Thanks
Great review! I really love this game and it is my favorite in the franchise but it is severely flawed. Lots of collision issues, control problems, some bad design choices here and there and it is very repetitive. It clearly wasn't polished enough. Still, i believe it translates best the Genesis/Mega Drive style into 3D.
I know the game has one or two down sides but personally this is my favourite sonic game ever. I've been in love with it for basically my whole life and I think I always will be. Perhaps I'm bias here but I'll never understand people's hatred for this game. It's amazing.
you're so positive in this video
+5MB Because I feel there is a lot to like about this game. Though later on it's really not that positive...
+Retropolis Zone unlike those other reviewers that say "Big the F**king Cat!!!" or somwthing
I liked this game alright, but the best thing to come out of it were those awesome tracks in Sonic And Sega All Stars Racing. Like that Casino track. I'd go as far as to say they were some of my favorite tracks in any Mario Kart type game. Or Maybe I just like the way that game feels. I don't know what it is, but Mario Kart 8 just feels so slow to me.
You should do a video on crash tag team racing vs Mario kart double dash. Crash tag team racing was sooooo much better IMO. But everyone always brings up Mario double dash which I still feel was severely over hyped
I don't really remember any framerate drops in the Xbox version. Maybe there were some, but I guess they were not important enough for me to remember.
Great review! Really enjoyed it! When you gonna review Shadow the Hedgehog? 100% with all the 300+ endings please, hahaha! XD
I've been asked a few times now actually, haha. I'm not making any promises as to when, but it won't be too long from now. And no I won't go for 300+ endings, lmao. Only expert mode. ;)
There's a better version of this game, it's called Sonic World.
I never played this game but it seems pretty mixed. Don’t know if I would love it or hate it.
I think many people tolerate this game mechanically much more than say, Shadow the Hedgehog, because this game has...
*personality.*
my oly issue of the game is some of the bugs that can happen and also sometimes the Buttery Shoes doesn't help at times Lol but I still don't mind the game and love the review.
you completely summarized my thoughts on this game. Thanks as always my friend!
You 100% sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog? You deserve my subscription sir, well done.
The first time I ever played I actually only got As far as the as the Mansion area
The PS2 port didn't really have these gameplay problems from what I remember.
Sonic Heroes is my favorite game to date. But I really liked your review. It gave me a different perspective on this game.
Sonic Heroes was the last Sonic game that I purchased new. In retrospect, it feels like nice game to out on.
that glitch on Metropolis zone that happen to you on the PC happen to me multiple times talk about ruining the mood to go fast
I played the PC and gamecube version at the same time and there is a big difference on how the special stages are programmed. Somehow the special stages in GC have different physics sonic is more slippery and the collision is somehow fucked. But the PC version has very bad scripted loops somehow in the PC version the loops don't have the speed lock the other versions have and especially in power plant you will be flying after a loop ends and you will fall. While the other versions slow you down automatically so you would not clip through the springs.
I agree my personal favorite is sonic heroes for the original GameCube/ps2/Xbox era
Would love to see you review Shadow the Hedgehog.
Actually am working on two reviews mate, and Shadow the Hedgehog is one of them. :)
So shadow was dead
Oh come on, how can do you no include metropolis zone.
Mystic mansion was good pick doe
Dude I binge your videos. Much love from Australia mate
At least the Heroes Special Stages in Generations 3DS is better than this.
I love your videos! You are so thorough and articulate. You deserve all your followers and many more! Cheers!
+JohnTom Knight Thanks sire! Appreciate the positive vibes. :)
what verison did you guys grow up with I grow up with ps2
play the pc or xbone verson, they fixed more things there
Roodge, the Knuckles clone in Sonic Advenger 2