Hey folks! Below is the complete list of changes made to the deck for you convenience & be sure to let me know in the comments if you agree/disagree with my upgrade suggestions or if there are any cards you think I missed / would also be good includes for this deck. Feedback is always appreciated! --------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Draw ------------------------------------------- Garruk's Packleader >>> Guardian Project Grothama, All-Devouring >>> Eidolon of Blossoms ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Ramp ------------------------------------------- Burnished Hart >>> Nature's Will ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Draw & Ramp ------------------------------------------- Alchemist's Talent >>> Court of Bounty Rain of Riches >>> Case of the Locked Hothouse Big Score >>> Glorious Sunrise ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Removal ------------------------------------------- Domri, Anarch of Bolas >>> Gimli's Reckless Might Harmonize >>> Court of Ire ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Damage Mutlipier ------------------------------------------- Tranquil Thicket >>> City on Fire Forgotten Cave >>> Fiery Emancipation ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Stat Boost ------------------------------------------- Llanowar Loamspeaker >>> Gruul War Chant Evercoat Ursine >>> Street Riot Spine of Ish Sah >>> Sight of the Scalelords ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Protection ------------------------------------------- Etali, Primal Storm >>> Asceticism Ghalta, Primal Hunger >>> Archetype of Endurance ------------------------------------------- Enchantments | Tokens ------------------------------------------- Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma >>> Wolfcaller's Howl Rampaging Baloths >>> Paradox Zone Explore >>> Sandwurm Convergence ------------------------------------------- Enchantments Matter ------------------------------------------- Grumgully, the Generous >>> Setessan Champion Bootleggers' Stash >>> Enchantress's Presence Prosperous Bandit >>> Sanctum Weaver Gilded Lotus >>> Herald of the Pantheon Hedron Archive >>> Weaver of Harmony ------------------------------------------- More Protection ------------------------------------------- Teapot Slinger >>> Saryth, the Viper's Fang Starstorm >>> Collective Resistance ------------------------------------------- Additional Upgrades . ------------------------------------------- Path of Discovery >>> Molten Echoes Gruul Turf >>> Three Tree City Lotus Cobra >>> Argothian Enchantress
I saw threefold thunderhulks image included in the video and a decent amount of people suggesting it elsewhere, how come It didn’t make the final cut? Too high cmc? Better options?
Skysovereign is the one addition I made before this video came out I’m likely to keep in the deck. I also added hoard hauler and smugglers buggy, but I’m swapping them for some of the better ideas presented in the video.
Yeah, Bello in a vehicle themed build seems really fun and was the other way I would have taken him if the base build didn't lean more into enchantments out of the gate.
I mean, this probably is the most well built deck out of the box - so I can see why your losing to it. Anyway, hope it was worth the wait and sorry in advance for any other games you lose to it!
Ive been looking forward to this video!! While I've been loving the precon as it came out of the box, its only going to get better with these upgrades. Thanks :)
You are my go-to channel for precon upgrades. Others seriously pale in comparison. I've been kind of waiting for this video for this deck specifically. Thanks for your work!
Great upgrade ideas. You basically addressed all the issues I saw with this precon, not that it was bad, in fact even un-upgraded it's still a winner. I'd love to see a build around the Odd Acorn Gang.
Kind of have been waiting for your upgrade video, and I'm pleasantly surprised that I upgraded my Bello with several of your upgrade options! Still tinkering with it, but I definitely gonna have to purchase a few more cards for my Trash Panda! Thanks for the video!
I have this deck and my GF has the Squirreled Away one. playing them against each other has led to some really close matches, so i've been looking forward to this upgrade video. and we look forward to the next one you're doing for Squirreled Away so we can keep things evenly matched.
So many things i wholeheartly agree with . All your changes are good Nylea God of the Hunt is another good one, Even Nylea's Forerunners for the Trample I do like Solemn Simulacrum and Scampering Surveyor as 4/4 creature that ramp Aligned Hedron Network is a "good" "board wipe" And so many others. The list I brewed have 49 differences with the Precon List Flameshadow Conjuring, Court of Embereth, Frontier Siege are some cool enchantment that could also be mentionned I also like to change all ramp for Enchantment ramp to trigger the enchantress draw
Didn't see a link in the description to cast a vote for your next upgrade video but my vote would be for Arthur Marigold Knight since there's enough videos out there for the rest of those commanders
It should be there but here's the direct link to the community tab on the channel for the poll: ua-cam.com/channels/slo3TL1qjWgv65igG92Y2w.htmlcommunity
Nice deck upgrade list ! If I may suggest you I'll keep an open spot for "Overlord of the Hauntswood", a card coming out in few days with duskmourn which is nuts with bello, since u can cast it for just 3 mana and it generates you 1 land upon entering and each time it attacks, so just for putting it on the battlefields u ramp up 2 token lands
@@GrazzetMTG My friend also has this deck. When I shared this video with him, he was excited to see your upgrades and even checked some of your Cutrate Commander deck techs.
What a great list! Have you thought about switching some of the ramp to enchantment based ramp such as utopia sprawl, which could possibly trigger some of the enchantment matter cards?
Its definitely finicky and requires you to understand "layers." The other thing I just learned is an enchantment like darksteel mutation that removes abilities etc, pretty much shutting most creatures down, doesnt actually affect Bello the way people think it does. Because of layers his effects still take place. Its wild really.
@@MalteLewandowski 611.3c Continuous effects that modify characteristics of permanents do so simultaneously with the permanent entering the battlefield. They don’t wait until the permanent is on the battlefield and then change it. Because such effects apply as the permanent enters the battlefield, they are applied before determining whether the permanent will cause an ability to trigger when it enters the battlefield
@@ssstylish4638 yes but cost reduction is calculated when you cast the spell, at this time it is still an enchantment or artifact spell and not a creature spell.
@MalteLewandowski Ah that makes sense. So any triggered effects that involve creatures entering would still trigger, but effects like this would not apply since they aren't creatures when you go to cast them?
my one suggestion, do NOT cut Grothama! I dont think he understood how good it is in this deck, dont think of her as a creature, think of her as a draw 8 for 5 mana sorcery because you drop her after you have two enchantments out that the commander has animated, they attack, fight Grothama (and they dont die cause they are indestructible) and you get an easy 8 cards plus more if any of those enchantments connect
Yeah, one more precon upgrade after this and then an alternate commander build - but I can see what I can do about putting Finneas, Ace Archer in a future poll for ya.
Hey folks! Below is the complete list of changes made to the deck for you convenience & be sure to let me know in the comments if you agree/disagree with my upgrade suggestions or if there are any cards you think I missed / would also be good includes for this deck. Feedback is always appreciated!
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Enchantments | Draw
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Garruk's Packleader >>> Guardian Project
Grothama, All-Devouring >>> Eidolon of Blossoms
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Enchantments | Ramp
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Burnished Hart >>> Nature's Will
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Enchantments | Draw & Ramp
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Alchemist's Talent >>> Court of Bounty
Rain of Riches >>> Case of the Locked Hothouse
Big Score >>> Glorious Sunrise
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Enchantments | Removal
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Domri, Anarch of Bolas >>> Gimli's Reckless Might
Harmonize >>> Court of Ire
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Enchantments | Damage Mutlipier
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Tranquil Thicket >>> City on Fire
Forgotten Cave >>> Fiery Emancipation
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Enchantments | Stat Boost
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Llanowar Loamspeaker >>> Gruul War Chant
Evercoat Ursine >>> Street Riot
Spine of Ish Sah >>> Sight of the Scalelords
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Enchantments | Protection
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Etali, Primal Storm >>> Asceticism
Ghalta, Primal Hunger >>> Archetype of Endurance
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Enchantments | Tokens
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Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma >>> Wolfcaller's Howl
Rampaging Baloths >>> Paradox Zone
Explore >>> Sandwurm Convergence
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Enchantments Matter
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Grumgully, the Generous >>> Setessan Champion
Bootleggers' Stash >>> Enchantress's Presence
Prosperous Bandit >>> Sanctum Weaver
Gilded Lotus >>> Herald of the Pantheon
Hedron Archive >>> Weaver of Harmony
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More Protection
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Teapot Slinger >>> Saryth, the Viper's Fang
Starstorm >>> Collective Resistance
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Additional Upgrades .
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Path of Discovery >>> Molten Echoes
Gruul Turf >>> Three Tree City
Lotus Cobra >>> Argothian Enchantress
I saw threefold thunderhulks image included in the video and a decent amount of people suggesting it elsewhere, how come It didn’t make the final cut? Too high cmc? Better options?
I love the whole idea of Bello and he's the perfect place for some of my favorite vehicles like Skysovereign, Nautiloid Ship, and Thunderhawk Gunship.
Skysovereign is the one addition I made before this video came out I’m likely to keep in the deck. I also added hoard hauler and smugglers buggy, but I’m swapping them for some of the better ideas presented in the video.
Yeah, Bello in a vehicle themed build seems really fun and was the other way I would have taken him if the base build didn't lean more into enchantments out of the gate.
My gf has this deck. She always kicks my butt with it. We were waiting for your upgrade! Thanks!
I mean, this probably is the most well built deck out of the box - so I can see why your losing to it.
Anyway, hope it was worth the wait and sorry in advance for any other games you lose to it!
This is my favorite of the new precons. Thanks for the upgrade tips!
My pleasure! Honestly, Bello is my favorite face commander of this set of precons too - I just love how many directions he can be taken in!
I will be buying the precon this weekend and getting these upgrades at my LGS today. Thank you so much this looks killer!
I love the storytelling flavour you add. Thanks!
Glad you enjoy it!
Ive been looking forward to this video!! While I've been loving the precon as it came out of the box, its only going to get better with these upgrades. Thanks :)
Can’t wait to see where this one goes!! Was not going to buy these pre cons and then I caved, glad I did!!
Hope you enjoy it and yeah, all of these seem pretty cool so I'm guessing a lot of folks are buying in (and the set itself looks pretty good too)!
You are my go-to channel for precon upgrades. Others seriously pale in comparison. I've been kind of waiting for this video for this deck specifically. Thanks for your work!
Great upgrade ideas. You basically addressed all the issues I saw with this precon, not that it was bad, in fact even un-upgraded it's still a winner. I'd love to see a build around the Odd Acorn Gang.
amazing video, I was looking forward to this precon upgrade from your side. keep up the great videos!!
Happy to hear you enjoyed it!
Kind of have been waiting for your upgrade video, and I'm pleasantly surprised that I upgraded my Bello with several of your upgrade options! Still tinkering with it, but I definitely gonna have to purchase a few more cards for my Trash Panda! Thanks for the video!
I have this deck and my GF has the Squirreled Away one. playing them against each other has led to some really close matches, so i've been looking forward to this upgrade video. and we look forward to the next one you're doing for Squirreled Away so we can keep things evenly matched.
The Squirrel Away percon upgrade should be dropping this weekend, so stay tuned for that so your gf can go head to head with your upgraded build!
Bello: DO NOT TOUCH MY TRASH OR MY TRASH WILL TOUCH YOU!
So many things i wholeheartly agree with . All your changes are good
Nylea God of the Hunt is another good one, Even Nylea's Forerunners for the Trample
I do like Solemn Simulacrum and Scampering Surveyor as 4/4 creature that ramp
Aligned Hedron Network is a "good" "board wipe"
And so many others. The list I brewed have 49 differences with the Precon List
Flameshadow Conjuring, Court of Embereth, Frontier Siege are some cool enchantment that could also be mentionned
I also like to change all ramp for Enchantment ramp to trigger the enchantress draw
Didn't see a link in the description to cast a vote for your next upgrade video but my vote would be for Arthur Marigold Knight since there's enough videos out there for the rest of those commanders
It should be there but here's the direct link to the community tab on the channel for the poll: ua-cam.com/channels/slo3TL1qjWgv65igG92Y2w.htmlcommunity
Great upgrade!!!!!
Glad you think so!
Nice deck upgrade list !
If I may suggest you I'll keep an open spot for "Overlord of the Hauntswood", a card coming out in few days with duskmourn which is nuts with bello, since u can cast it for just 3 mana and it generates you 1 land upon entering and each time it attacks, so just for putting it on the battlefields u ramp up 2 token lands
Was looking forward to this one
Hope it was worth the wait!
@@GrazzetMTG I like it personally I’ll be adding Bigger on the inside though
Excellent timing as my wife just got me this deck.
That IS good timing! Hope this upgrade help you make it even better!
@@GrazzetMTG My friend also has this deck. When I shared this video with him, he was excited to see your upgrades and even checked some of your Cutrate Commander deck techs.
J'adore ton contenu, continue comme ça!
Je le ferai et je suis heureux de vous entendre l'apprécier ! (I hope that's right, since I don't speak french....)
What a great list! Have you thought about switching some of the ramp to enchantment based ramp such as utopia sprawl, which could possibly trigger some of the enchantment matter cards?
Another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another very funny commander with different styles to build around. I build Bellon with artifacts and vehicles.
Yeah, a Bello vehicle build was my second choice.... Its seems like such a fun build around.
The ruling for bellos ability actually allows it to still activate even if he’s defeated from combat
Its definitely finicky and requires you to understand "layers." The other thing I just learned is an enchantment like darksteel mutation that removes abilities etc, pretty much shutting most creatures down, doesnt actually affect Bello the way people think it does. Because of layers his effects still take place. Its wild really.
This is an amazing precon, the best of the lot. I am so sad I got the squirrel one because I thought it was a squirrel deck ahhah :3
With Goreclaw I just wanted to mention that since all our enchantments are technically entering as power 4 creatures, its discount applies to them
Sadly not, as on the stack they are not yet creatures, only after they entered the battlefield.
@@MalteLewandowski 611.3c Continuous effects that modify characteristics of permanents do so simultaneously with the permanent entering the battlefield. They don’t wait until the permanent is on the battlefield and then change it. Because such effects apply as the permanent enters the battlefield, they are applied before determining whether the permanent will cause an ability to trigger when it enters the battlefield
@@ssstylish4638 yes but cost reduction is calculated when you cast the spell, at this time it is still an enchantment or artifact spell and not a creature spell.
@MalteLewandowski Ah that makes sense. So any triggered effects that involve creatures entering would still trigger, but effects like this would not apply since they aren't creatures when you go to cast them?
@@ssstylish4638 correct!
my one suggestion, do NOT cut Grothama! I dont think he understood how good it is in this deck, dont think of her as a creature, think of her as a draw 8 for 5 mana sorcery because you drop her after you have two enchantments out that the commander has animated, they attack, fight Grothama (and they dont die cause they are indestructible) and you get an easy 8 cards plus more if any of those enchantments connect
Good ideas, now finneas! 😅 jk I think this is 3/4
Yeah, one more precon upgrade after this and then an alternate commander build - but I can see what I can do about putting Finneas, Ace Archer in a future poll for ya.