@@oscarrenouf if he only games at 1080p he could've sold it and upgraded his gpu and cpu maybe even sli or crossfire his current gpu. Edit: checking the prices on rtx he could've dropped 2k on a whole PC.
@M i r z a I'm 15, I just finished upgrading the build my dad gave me when I was 11. Specs: I7 10700k asus rog z490-e motherboard (because the cpu needs a whole new chipset) 32 gb of 3200 mhz ram EVGA 2080 super 2 gb of smasung 870 storage some coolermaster liquid cpu cooler 750 watt corsair psu
there are plenty of games were maxing out a single skill can be far better than evenly distributing your points so your analogy kind of doesn't work at all
Tsunami415 same but please do 4K Tests. Because i am running a 1080ti and a i7-3770k 3,9 ghz oc but i think I am still bottleneckt. My cpu is in nearly every Game 100% and my gpu 50-80%... Also i am running a 4K 60hz panel.
@@Cola-hl8kn generally Intel does better at 1080p, and ryzen is slightly better for higher resolution and multitasking. Running my Ryzen 1700 (only $150) at 4.0ghz and my 1070 ti is definitely the bottleneck
What's the point? Higher resolutions will just leverage the GPU, so you will not see a clear difference between different CPU power. To answer your question though, Intel still maintains a 10-15% lead in 1440p.
Michael Chan 16gb will probably give you a little more performance than 8(depending on game), 32 wont make a difference from 16 ram speed wont matter on intel but should give big boost to ryzen
Suprisingly, an i3 runs good with a 2080ti. Only bottlenecking noticeably in games like gta v. my gf uses an i38350k @ 4.8ghz, 16gb if 3200mhz ram and a newly bought (used) 2080ti. She does only game at 1080p 144hz though, so it is total overkill. And we are meaning to get her a ryzen 4000 series cpu as soon as they arrive. Bought the i3 as a meme just to overclock it to death, suprisingly it performs very very well in all games in the years of our ownership. Also keep notice that it is overclocked to hell and back, in stock mode it would perform a lot worse.
@@scanjett I mean I'm using an xbox one x rn so I think a 2080 would be better than that. I game on my couch with a controller because i work from home at my desk all day. I want to chill in the living room if im gaming. I play mostly AC Odyssey and stuff like that. I just want it to look pretty and run a little smoother than my One X.
Yes it is which is great for consumer CPU market. Also as a note for anyone who is not aware the tuning utility for Ryzen CPUs is "Ryzen Master" do not use or even install AMD Overdrive or you will need to reboot in safe mode to remove it so you can run your PC normally again.
It would lower bottleneck by CPU cause graphic card would have to work much harder 1440p is 1.7x more pixels than 1080p.Less frame = less work for CPU.Probably anything over i3 would be just fine.
@@UA-camJunkie yeah but Jay is usually trying to produce a meaningful content.Testing high res with kinda garbage i3 is a bit pointless .Normal human beings wont spend 500$ on monitor,500$+ on gpu and then slap i3 or r3 in there 🤣.
i was watching this like "oh hes using a 2080, i wish i had that one so i could compare, too bad i only have a 1660" "okay so here's what were gonna do now we're gonna pop in a 1660"
@@mrexile09 Apex I've found is pretty intensive actually. On a GTX 1080 w/ i7 4770k on 3440x1440p ultrawide maintaining a solid 120fps is quite difficult at all low settings. Mainly dipping in more populated areas but nonetheless.
Built my GF a pc for ESO, CS:GO and The Sims4. Ryzen 2200g, 16 gb 3000mhz ddr4, 1060 6 gb. Ran all three games perfectly. But i got BFV and shes like " damn that looks good " so i bought her a copy. The 2200g let her down, even with an oc, BFV was a stuttery mess. CPU 85%-100% load, GPU was at like 45% ish... Installed a ryzen 2600, BFV is now smooth as silk.
Yeah, AIB power limit should always be put to max, because it is just a power limit, you didn't flash third party Bios in, so there are literally no reason to worry that your gpu can burn. The real overclocking is start when you flash a Vega 64 Bios into Vega 56 (For example) , put power shunt mod in, improve gpu thermal contact surface, and now we are talking.
My system administrator laughed at me when I said systems can be bottled necked on operations based on the parts that talk to each other like CPU and GPU. I feel so much better after watching your vid. Thank you so much.
Remember bottlenecking a AMD A8 APU with a R9 280x Twin Frozr, didn't know what bottlenecking was at the time only until I mentioned my fps problems when playing to a friend. A great in depth guide something people will really benefit from and quite easy to understand too.
@@RaceboyYT Which one is that? I though that Intel Celeron G440 was the last Intel single core CPU and that was a Sandy Bridge part from 2011. For AMD the last single core CPU was the Sempron 145 from 2010.
RX 570 armor 8GB + Pentium g2030 I have 16~ fps on average in Far cry 5 maxed out at 1080p (lowering the resolution/graphics doesn't do a shit either like literally)
So... An Windows XP compatible CPU. Don't think that will work. Even Vista needs a newer single core CPU at least. Plus there's no drivers for that card in XP.
@@TheNews1990 im currently running that cpu in windows 8 so idgaf Edit: forgot to mension that without any bloatware installed it actually performs better than when installed with Windows XP
Lol, the comments, "Hey Jay, get exactly my computer build and show me exactly how to do it" lol. Overall thanks for this vid, great content as always and glad for you and your team helping explain things.
Thanks Jayz! You could definitely do system balance comps like this every couple months and it would continue being relevant (as long as there is GPU stock somewhere in the world!!)
Hey Jay make a video regarding balanced pc meaning the least bottleneck we get in several configuration Or how can we build a balanced pc to have less bottleneck
I'm a noob so bare with me here. If im getting good frames with something like a 5800x and a 4090 but im using 1080p and missing out on those extra frames since i didnt upgrade my cpu, your saying at 1080p even though im getting better performance than 1440p and 4k , it will stutter at 1080p because of high cpu usage? like i dont understand the term bottleneck clearly it dosent make sense when people say "your bottlenecked at 1080p" i mean huh? arent i getting more fps at 1080p than 1440p and higher? Than why does it matter?
Please do a 1440p video! I've seen SO many benchmarks that show that a last gen I5/R5 is enough to easily keep up with a 2080 ti with Max settings at those resolutions
1440P for now seems to be the hardware sweetspot, where CPU and GPU if paired right can both run around 90%+ Util. But yeah, we need massive steps on the GPU front if you want to use 4K and not have the CPU yawning. 2080TI on 4K Ultra settings usually (but not even always) is around 60fps. I'm fairly sure an i5-7400 (non K) could be paired with the 2080TI instead of a 9900K and you wouldn't notice any difference in FPS. Then there is the Ryzen 3850X (16c/32t) on the horizon which probably won't even run at 10% util if you're gaming in 4K.
That would cost him so much work, and there are benchmarks for like every pair on youtube.. If you learned something from this video you should be able to find it out !
That actually depends of the game , some are Cpu oriented and others are Gpu oriented, I recommend to search in the forums(of whatever game you are playing), there usually is lot of information about others players setups and what results they are getting.
Its probably easier to do it from a value perspective. If you have spent say $600 on everything else is it value to spend $1400 on a GPU. Maybe not. I have the same question in looking for a new display. Do I really want to spend $500 plus on a panel when it may over capitilise the value of the whole package.
It's weird that this whole day I was looking at pictures of a ZL1 1LE camaro, then I come across this video and out of nowhere it pops up. Wow. Must be a sign that I will one day claim my reward for all my hard work 😍
@@psychozulu no... No it doesn't. IPC is instructions per clock. Something that is decided by the architecture of the CPU. These have the same architecture.
Good example of Bottlenecking: i7-860 with EVGA GeForce 770 SC (2GB) WoW: Bottlenecked the CPU as the GPU was "Pegged" (PossiblyVRAM as I had it maxed at 2560 x 1440) BF1: CPU was PEGGED where as the GPU was only at 70%ish maxed @ 2560 x 1440
What I don't quite understand about "CPU bottlenecking GPU" is that, in some games the default "overall max" setting doesn't really maximize all graphic options, and also in the GPU control software there's often some additional quality settings and anti alias options that can go beyond game's own "max" setting. Then my question is, in the "CPU bottlenecking GPU" scenario, if I enable these extra high quality settings beyond game's default "max" profile, does it actually give the GPU more work to do, or does each frame get stuck in CPU even longer?
Could anyone tell me if a Pc like this. Intel Core i5 9400F processor, MSI B365M Mortar Motherboard, MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Ventus GP 8GB graphics card, 16GB Team T-Force Delta RGB 3200MHz would have bottle neck issues or would be fine ?
So...is their a CHART on the Internet showing correct pairing of CPU and Video Card that yields/optimizes/avoids Bottle-necking a Game or APP running? Like, example ONLY, i7-9700K is 100% Optimal with 9800 Ti , or i5-8700K is 98% Optimal with 1060 3GB including AMD options??? Does such a website, chart or even calculator exist on the Internet/Web????? Please give me URL?
Better yet - what CPU Passmark score is optimal with what GPU score. I OC'd my 1050 Ti from around 6000 average score for this card to 8300 score (which is better than RX 580). What Passmark score CPU do I need to fully utilize the OC'd GPU?
Ryzen bottlenecks more at lower resolutions because single thread (which will happen first, stronger single-core from AMD or better multi-thread/core optimization for gaming?)
@Transistor Jump Oh wait, the R7 1700 performs bad at 1440p ? (Just asking) I have R7 1700 + rx580. Was thinking about upgrading the rx580 to a 2080. Would it make sense doing so ? Anyone with an answer would be greatly appreciated.
Slapped like. Would love to see a video on bottlenecking from different resolutions. Would also love to see a video like this but with Ryzen cpus (if possible).
Used it on a 1080, you should be fine with games, since it's still 4 cores. Once you go for more core intensive programs, you might see some slowdowns, but otherwise you should be fine. If you can upgrade, it might be best to opt either for a full eco-refresh, or going second hand from a friend for the newer parts (DDR4, motherboard and processor will get pricey)
@@sdbegotist Using the 4770k on a 1080 as well currently. You're 100% correct, when CPU intensive tasks start arising I've noticed framedrops in game. About to run some more tests before I contribute to a discussion though ; )
I've recently upgraded from fx-6300 to ryzen 5 3600 both with a 1060 6GB DOTA 2 FPS: fx-6300 + 1060 = ~90fps ryzen 5 3600 + 1060 = ~145fps Now THAT is what i call a bottleneck 🤣👌
df how did you just get my exact gpu and cpu right that's my specs rn lol gtx 1060 and fx-6300. What's even crazier is that im literally getting a ryzen 5 3600 cpu soon this is such a crazy comment.
That's why for The AMD Fans back in the FX-6300 days they recommend going for like a FX-8350 or something like that if you plan on getting a beefy GPU and if you plan on getting a Titan X, you might as well pair with The Intel 8 core CPUs. I still remembered when Jayz felt stupid in building Skunkworks to have 3 Titan X SLI but they can handle 8K Video like nothing back then.
I would definitely be interested in seeing a video that comparies CPU usage at higher resolutions, specifically 4k. I use a 7700K + 1080ti. I've never bothered to overclock the CPU assuming it was more than ebought o avoid a bottleneck at 4k resolutions but I'd be curious to see results from a tester who knows his stuff.
ExcZist's Studio I mean you’re gaming at 4K. 144 hz at 4K doesn’t make any sense considering you likely won’t hit that frame rate so you won’t benefit from having more hz. I’m not saying it is impossible. It’s just... a fuck ton of money.
I have a i5 8600k @ 4.6 paired with a Asus strix 1080gtx on a 1440p 27in 144hz monitor. Max settings on battlefield 5 hitting over 100 fps. No bottle necking here. Just so you know. I run the same test on a 1080p monitor and I was getting stuttering with frame drops every few seconds.
This is what happens when you win a gpu in a giveaway
This needs more likes lol
Blackcore bruhhhhh. I woulda kept it if I were u and saved
@@oscarrenouf if he only games at 1080p he could've sold it and upgraded his gpu and cpu maybe even sli or crossfire his current gpu.
Edit: checking the prices on rtx he could've dropped 2k on a whole PC.
@@blqckcore smart you could of started a whole new rig.
@@hellostranger2269 Yeah, finally i will get a whole new system with a rtx 2070 super next month :)
A wise man once said; "you can't bottleneck a GPU if you can't afford it."
Jajaj awebo, lo dijo el grone ponteverga we v:
Very well said
Unless you got it for free
Amen.
Nd who is that wise man? 😂
When I was buying a pc my wallet bottlenecked me.
🤣🤣
Try over clocking it, maybe that will help
You mean... a credit card
The Intel Kredit Kard is very expensive. I’d recommend the Amd Credit Card non-x variant
@Colton Lopez haha
8 year old Fortnite kids: I WILL BILD A PC SOON
The PC they build: AMD Phenom X4 955 with a 2080 Ti, 4GB of ram
lol doent even have storage and no cooler and no case
Xbox Only lol
Dzeerk bottlenecked as shit
M i r z a when did i ask
@M i r z a I'm 15, I just finished upgrading the build my dad gave me when I was 11.
Specs:
I7 10700k
asus rog z490-e motherboard (because the cpu needs a whole new chipset)
32 gb of 3200 mhz ram
EVGA 2080 super
2 gb of smasung 870 storage
some coolermaster liquid cpu cooler
750 watt corsair psu
0:52 okay that transition was kinda cool
smooth af
There was no print there lol. The editing is good tho.
I liked the video for that reason 😂
Enzo Ventura yeah i noticed the paper was blank
@@screenpatch4146 it was so clean it followed the paper with ease
The real bottlenecks are our wallets...
So true T^T
Sad but true 💔
This man speaks of pure truth and wisdom
I'm jealous, you had enough money to buy a wallet & leftovers to put in it 😮
have a career so you can remove that bottleneck
This is the real life version of when you choose to only upgrade one set of abilities in a video game.
Arjun Y lol but in games it almost works
Stephen Vreyens true lol
it's the equivalent of a body builder who skips leg day every single time. buff, huge, swole arms but tiny little chicken legs. lol
depends on game and skill. Most games it's actually better if you just spam one skill
there are plenty of games were maxing out a single skill can be far better than evenly distributing your points so your analogy kind of doesn't work at all
when you skip leg day at the gym.
TF is leg day?
@@arbeen2k02 Do you live under rocks?
@@cyberslated9973 /s
Gamers: what is a gym?
Hey amd 3200g with gt 610 will have bottleneck?
RTX 2080 TI:
Core I3: I'm about to end this man's whole career
@Jonathan Ahmad Originality is something you can't "practice".
Supa hot fiya 🔥
Bro use a pentium
If you used i3 why put RTX on them? You cutting cost wrong... Alway get got CPU and get New GPU later on when you had more money to spend....
I have a 12 year old mother board, with a quad core and a rx580 8gb.. I MEED A NEW CORE AND MOTHERBOARD..
*when the bottleneck system is better than yours*
*sad nerd noises*
Zacky gaming big sad
OOF MAX
Colin De Vries who hurt you god damn
@@kidretrofan4713 his big black boyfriend. Right in the butthole. Tore him apart and now he's pissed.
The Hollanesian lol
When you can't afford an i3, so you downclock an i7 instead.
The I7 is more expensive
@@qeelevators2960 I don't want to r/wooosh cause it's just annoying. But, watch out
improvise, adapt, overcome
bugatti921 big W cause people who r/wooosh are cunts
@@qeelevators2960 I don't know if you are joking man but he said it with sarcasm. Hahaha.
Linus: Hold my beer
*Bottlenecks a titan RTX with a cheap CPU*
With a intel 4004
this is why i get laptop... let the oem deal with it..
RabbitOnCrack with a *CELERON*
@@screenpatch4146 intel atom
@@Samimies lal
I would like to test if my computer bottlenecks, could you send me a 2080ti thanks bb.
And next you can ask NZXT for a free computer.
lol someone get the man an RTX card stat
Our lives are bottlenecked, is there a fix....Error Detected
same i ahve been gaming at 1080p on my gtx 780ti for since the 780ti came out
and i have replaced the thermal paste and cleaned it 4 time in the last few years
Big YES on that resolution follow up vid kind sir. I'd be most interested in 1440p changes Intel and Ryzen.
Tsunami415 same but please do 4K Tests. Because i am running a 1080ti and a i7-3770k 3,9 ghz oc but i think I am still bottleneckt. My cpu is in nearly every Game 100% and my gpu 50-80%... Also i am running a 4K 60hz panel.
@@Cola-hl8kn generally Intel does better at 1080p, and ryzen is slightly better for higher resolution and multitasking. Running my Ryzen 1700 (only $150) at 4.0ghz and my 1070 ti is definitely the bottleneck
What's the point? Higher resolutions will just leverage the GPU, so you will not see a clear difference between different CPU power. To answer your question though, Intel still maintains a 10-15% lead in 1440p.
@@frosttrap2261 found a 1600 for $88 otd at microcenter. ;). About to do a sick build and pair it with my vega
magical legend Psssst...no it doesn’t
It’s like having a big strong body
*but with a small head*
OR DICK
@@wiesawagromadzka7329 the internet is beautiful.
Or huge arms but tiny shrimp legs
Skipping leg day
Tyler1 hahah
Jayz: today we are gonna talk about bottlenecking
Also jayz: *Shows a bottle without a neck -_-*
That’s not what bottlenecking means -_-
@@47los19 it's a joke....I hope
@@47los19 r/woooosh
More like.. bottlecapping
@Colton Lopez grats u got reddit
Next, try a RAM bottleneck for 8GB/16GB/32GB 2400/3000/3600/4200 C14/C16/C18?
Gosh that would take lots of testing!
Ram does not matter unless you are doing benchmarks all day, or if you are using ryzen
Michael Chan 16gb will probably give you a little more performance than 8(depending on game), 32 wont make a difference from 16
ram speed wont matter on intel but should give big boost to ryzen
ua-cam.com/channels/ncuMsyOBwyiTv-6rc8mq0Q.htmlfeatured this channel basically does all that
@@chikennuget3634 actually most high end x370/x470, dual channel 1 per dimm is faster than 2 dimms/channel
This is Jay, not Steve from Hardware Unboxed
Next video: Titan RTX with Snapdragon 835
But why use a good mobile chip use an old terrible one
@@briancraney8322 Like some really old crappy single-core Mediatek chip from 2009
Lol when u save up enough for a 2080ti but forgot about your procceser
When you sell your pc for a 2080 ti
@Abu Misir oof
Abu Misir it’s spelled “it’s” you illiterate fuck.
@Abu Misir Jesus! Was it really necessary to say that though? That first guy's first language's probably not english, so don't blame him!
@Abu Misir ?
I would really love to see a part 2 of 'How does the resolution affect various CPU speeds?'.
Like i3 with RTX 2080Ti @ 1440p
It would put more load onto the GPU to the point where at 4k you have 100% gpu util if, therefore removing the i3 + 2080 bottleneck
@@jshico3417 its still not that good as some games might need a bit powerful cpu even for 1440p or 4k
Nahhh you ain't bottleknecking until you put a dual core Pentium with a titan rtx
Nope, a core 2 duo
Nope, an Athlon X64
Nah use a rtx 8000
Amd 64x
Daniel Roscoe bruh i actually have a core 2 duo with an quadro fx 570m
If you think thats bottleneck then you should look at my setup
RTX 2080ti
Pentium g4560
Lol
Are you legit?
oof
@sxmmalson no he isnt
Is an rtx 2060 super and a i5 9400F considered balanced then?
lets be real here... for most people the biggest bottleneck is their monitor.
Nicholas Beer true, i known people with r5 2600x and rtx 2070 and pair it with low res low refresh rate high responds tine and input lag.
I am building a pc with an amd 1600 and a rx 580 Will it bottleneck my 1080p 150ms 60hz lg monitor from 2016 black friday
Why buy gaming monitor and then new one come out.... This is why I used gaming laptop and console...
The wallet is the bottleneck
campkira why are you buying used brain cells?
Intel core i3 with rtx 2080: hi im ed from the 90 days fiance.
hehexd
No neck ed
Man you guys are 3
@@jhonvvick1289 no necked
Suprisingly, an i3 runs good with a 2080ti. Only bottlenecking noticeably in games like gta v. my gf uses an i38350k @ 4.8ghz, 16gb if 3200mhz ram and a newly bought (used) 2080ti. She does only game at 1080p 144hz though, so it is total overkill. And we are meaning to get her a ryzen 4000 series cpu as soon as they arrive. Bought the i3 as a meme just to overclock it to death, suprisingly it performs very very well in all games in the years of our ownership. Also keep notice that it is overclocked to hell and back, in stock mode it would perform a lot worse.
A real man uses an RTX Titan with a Pentium 4
Nah a real man doesn't game. They work to support a family.
@ a real man could also game while also supporting his family and spending time with them.
@ if you get off the drugs you are on you can do both 😉
No Wolfy you're not a man until you throw in a a pair of RTX Titans with a Pentium 4😉 let's kick that testosterone up a notch
jason bourke Nah, 4 Quadros
Yea. It would be good to see with 4k res i3 7100 with the RTX 2080ti.
i have a 7100 and im thinking about buying a 2080. because I honestly think its going to be fine for 4k
4k needs more gpu and lees cpu.
@@germandariosguerrahernande5097 exactly
2080 is barely enough for 4k
@@scanjett I mean I'm using an xbox one x rn so I think a 2080 would be better than that. I game on my couch with a controller because i work from home at my desk all day. I want to chill in the living room if im gaming. I play mostly AC Odyssey and stuff like that. I just want it to look pretty and run a little smoother than my One X.
the only thing between me and all those RTX cards is a slim piece of glass.. lemme find a rock real quick.
That's me everytime I'm near really cool tech
Bish pass me the rock 😂
The only thing between you and freedom is a 12 in thick concrete wall and a long fall
@@1215-q1u only if you get caught.
@@viperdemonz-jenkins hmm yea smash some glass in the middle of a microcenter and "not get caught" OK
I thought it was gonna be intel pentium and rtx 2080 ti sli :(
Real men dont use CPU or GPU. They just plug their monitor into a case.
”Check Connection Cable” is a good game trailer
@@Zonie "eyy yoo im playing wifi"
Then they download the RAM and they're good to go!
The real bottleneck is digressing.
Yes it is which is great for consumer CPU market. Also as a note for anyone who is not aware the tuning utility for Ryzen CPUs is "Ryzen Master" do not use or even install AMD Overdrive or you will need to reboot in safe mode to remove it so you can run your PC normally again.
I would love to see how the resolution makes a difference on performance. Great content Jay.
Yes we want this test !
It would lower bottleneck by CPU cause graphic card would have to work much harder 1440p is 1.7x more pixels than 1080p.Less frame = less work for CPU.Probably anything over i3 would be just fine.
@@xcoool Sounds logical, would still enjoy Jay's take on it. Although I'd watch Jay do just about anything with a PC... Thank you for your input.
@@UA-camJunkie yeah but Jay is usually trying to produce a meaningful content.Testing high res with kinda garbage i3 is a bit pointless .Normal human beings wont spend 500$ on monitor,500$+ on gpu and then slap i3 or r3 in there 🤣.
UA-cam Junkie
It is logical lol. It’s a stupid question.
i was watching this like "oh hes using a 2080, i wish i had that one so i could compare, too bad i only have a 1660"
"okay so here's what were gonna do now we're gonna pop in a 1660"
When you get bored of computers that are functional
I get tilt by your picture.
@@dorodo1125 naw she's bae
@@HululusLabs she is a traitor and she is in bed right now with an american d
rui dumps nat for american D
hina is the way
Team Rui checking in!
I would love to see how hard is to bottle neck a game that people are building PCs for. Like apex or fortnite for example.
Heggcy I’m not sure how much power is needed for those two titles but wouldn’t it be pretty low powered pc’s?
@@mrexile09 Apex I've found is pretty intensive actually. On a GTX 1080 w/ i7 4770k on 3440x1440p ultrawide maintaining a solid 120fps is quite difficult at all low settings. Mainly dipping in more populated areas but nonetheless.
Tyler Skelton how old is this rig?
Ruben Rivera I mean on the budget spectrum. Most people don’t wanna drop 1000$+ on a system
Built my GF a pc for ESO, CS:GO and The Sims4. Ryzen 2200g, 16 gb 3000mhz ddr4, 1060 6 gb. Ran all three games perfectly. But i got BFV and shes like " damn that looks good " so i bought her a copy. The 2200g let her down, even with an oc, BFV was a stuttery mess. CPU 85%-100% load, GPU was at like 45% ish... Installed a ryzen 2600, BFV is now smooth as silk.
"slight overclocking our gpu"
power limit max value lmao
Yeah, AIB power limit should always be put to max, because it is just a power limit, you didn't flash third party Bios in, so there are literally no reason to worry that your gpu can burn.
The real overclocking is start when you flash a Vega 64 Bios into Vega 56 (For example) , put power shunt mod in, improve gpu thermal contact surface, and now we are talking.
Clearly doesn't know shit about overclocking
@@julatzschmulatz9607 learn the right you're, your.
@@Quattro4k82 ummm? He did it right?
My system administrator laughed at me when I said systems can be bottled necked on operations based on the parts that talk to each other like CPU and GPU. I feel so much better after watching your vid. Thank you so much.
Remember bottlenecking a AMD A8 APU with a R9 280x Twin Frozr, didn't know what bottlenecking was at the time only until I mentioned my fps problems when playing to a friend. A great in depth guide something people will really benefit from and quite easy to understand too.
RTX 2080 TI:
Core i3 : AM I A JOKE TO U?
so
👏👏😲😲
Core i3:
RTX 2080 Ti: *Am I a joke to you?*
@@vuo7ng that's what he says
@RONIN what dud
RTX 2080 Ti+The crappiest Intel Celeron ever made.
ARBITER the single core skylake one
2080ti king pin
Intel atom
@@RaceboyYT
Which one is that? I though that Intel Celeron G440 was the last Intel single core CPU and that was a Sandy Bridge part from 2011. For AMD the last single core CPU was the Sempron 145 from 2010.
Titan
Wow, he couldn’t get the other CPU’s. Jay must actually only have two cents.
Me- sitting with my integrated graphics
I like your sponsor advertisement skits, because I never realise it was an advert, until it's over.
Then you're about as slow as that i3
@@xerusume lol
Ahh, It feels just like my pc
Intel Pentium g3240
GT 1030
Mega oof
More like GT1030
Mine is worse
RX 570 armor 8GB + Pentium g2030
I have 16~ fps on average in Far cry 5 maxed out at 1080p (lowering the resolution/graphics doesn't do a shit either like literally)
Haswell i3 HD4400 here
there is no gtx 1030, its gt 1030
0:00 Was that a Linus parody? XD
"I'll only use pistols this playthrough..."
Jay please do a version of this but with an athlon 64 single core (not overclocked) and an RTX 2080ti overclocked to the limit
So... An Windows XP compatible CPU. Don't think that will work. Even Vista needs a newer single core CPU at least. Plus there's no drivers for that card in XP.
@@TheNews1990 im currently running that cpu in windows 8 so idgaf
Edit: forgot to mension that without any bloatware installed it actually performs better than when installed with Windows XP
2080 Ti: am I a joke to you?!
I did it with an athlon and an rx580.... It aint pretty.
LN2 plz
Linus and HardwareCanucks: arguably the best reviews
Jayz: The best tips for people who know the basics
Gamers Nexus: What?
hardware canucks get wrecked by Linus (like the 8k camera he took apart and couldn't put back together)
Lol, the comments, "Hey Jay, get exactly my computer build and show me exactly how to do it" lol. Overall thanks for this vid, great content as always and glad for you and your team helping explain things.
@@axeloumm search* and he was making an example XD
Thanks Jayz! You could definitely do system balance comps like this every couple months and it would continue being relevant (as long as there is GPU stock somewhere in the world!!)
This was so useful!
Please do a 1440p and 4k comparison :)
What I really wanted to see was the 2080ti vs a 1ghz processor
Hey Jay make a video regarding balanced pc meaning the least bottleneck we get in several configuration
Or how can we build a balanced pc to have less bottleneck
The i3 and GTX 1660 combination seemed balanced. It was 63% GPU bound. Only 6 FPS less then the same gpu with an i7.
This would be an epic vid if he did. 👍
www.thebottlenecker.com
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At that point you just have to search your particular budget and games you want to play.
I'm a noob so bare with me here. If im getting good frames with something like a 5800x and a 4090 but im using 1080p and missing out on those extra frames since i didnt upgrade my cpu, your saying at 1080p even though im getting better performance than 1440p and 4k , it will stutter at 1080p because of high cpu usage? like i dont understand the term bottleneck clearly it dosent make sense when people say "your bottlenecked at 1080p" i mean huh? arent i getting more fps at 1080p than 1440p and higher? Than why does it matter?
Please do a 1440p video! I've seen SO many benchmarks that show that a last gen I5/R5 is enough to easily keep up with a 2080 ti with Max settings at those resolutions
4k with max graphics ~ 1080ti/AMD R5 2600x cpu. Over 100 fps on average on FC5, GTA5, ROTTR, Shadow Of The Tomb Raider, and more. Look it up too
1440P for now seems to be the hardware sweetspot, where CPU and GPU if paired right can both run around 90%+ Util. But yeah, we need massive steps on the GPU front if you want to use 4K and not have the CPU yawning. 2080TI on 4K Ultra settings usually (but not even always) is around 60fps. I'm fairly sure an i5-7400 (non K) could be paired with the 2080TI instead of a 9900K and you wouldn't notice any difference in FPS. Then there is the Ryzen 3850X (16c/32t) on the horizon which probably won't even run at 10% util if you're gaming in 4K.
Bara Robber Baron My point exactly. I see people go for 1080 (non-ti) and 7700k for 1440p gaming. Like, seriously?
מה קורה ישראלי
Can you do a video that pairs GPUs with CPUs and what works best
yes plz
That would cost him so much work, and there are benchmarks for like every pair on youtube..
If you learned something from this video you should be able to find it out !
i5 9600k and RTX 2070 for 1440p. I built my last rig and was very meticulous.
That actually depends of the game , some are Cpu oriented and others are Gpu oriented, I recommend to search in the forums(of whatever game you are playing), there usually is lot of information about others players setups and what results they are getting.
Its probably easier to do it from a value perspective. If you have spent say $600 on everything else is it value to spend $1400 on a GPU. Maybe not. I have the same question in looking for a new display. Do I really want to spend $500 plus on a panel when it may over capitilise the value of the whole package.
Jay: So today we're talking about bottle necking
Me: Damnit Jay, not real hardware porn
It's weird that this whole day I was looking at pictures of a ZL1 1LE camaro, then I come across this video and out of nowhere it pops up. Wow. Must be a sign that I will one day claim my reward for all my hard work 😍
I really felt it when he said when Fx cards where a thing and my pc still has one.
tmanrocksful my fx-8350 disliked that
Still had a phenom at the time
Yup! More CPU tests like this please with different resolutions and maybe a ryzen too?
This watermark of Jay's face in the center of the screen is really bothering me...
@@tlumme Ctrl + W will work too.
@@tlumme I'm on mobile what.do I doooooooo
@@eduardom3209 go to ua-cam.com/users/account_playback and disable "Show annotations and in-video notifications"
how did you manage to find the only bottle on earth with no neck for that intro
Ltt store dot com
The 8350k technically is emulated in you i3 OC test.
@@psychozulu I have the 8350k and its Oc to 4.8 and is nuts
@@psychozulu no... No it doesn't. IPC is instructions per clock. Something that is decided by the architecture of the CPU.
These have the same architecture.
@@tarfeef_4268 but not the same cache amount, which helps with IPC
@@remarkable4 with a 1060-1070 max yea.
@@psychozulu its hyperthreading, i3s and i5s have ancient 4threads
Good example of Bottlenecking:
i7-860 with EVGA GeForce 770 SC (2GB)
WoW: Bottlenecked the CPU as the GPU was "Pegged" (PossiblyVRAM as I had it maxed at 2560 x 1440)
BF1: CPU was PEGGED where as the GPU was only at 70%ish maxed @ 2560 x 1440
YAY! This is the bottlenecking video I asked for! You rock JAY!!!
Dugu
What I don't quite understand about "CPU bottlenecking GPU" is that, in some games the default "overall max" setting doesn't really maximize all graphic options, and also in the GPU control software there's often some additional quality settings and anti alias options that can go beyond game's own "max" setting.
Then my question is, in the "CPU bottlenecking GPU" scenario, if I enable these extra high quality settings beyond game's default "max" profile, does it actually give the GPU more work to do, or does each frame get stuck in CPU even longer?
TFW the 2080 ti costs more than your entire build...
Yes
It’s FTW (FOR THE WIN) RTX 2080ti
@@aparnarao2689 tfw means that feels when , i am ready to get wooooshed tho
@@LoneBeastYT no it means tax fision willaby.
@@minecrafterselite1 i stand corrected
It’s when the nerdy kid gets paired up with the jock in gym class
When the jock gets paired with the nerdy kid in math class
Yea the nerdy kid is the fast GPU and the Jock is the dumb slow cpu who pumped (Overclocked) himself to look big ;)
@@Eruvalta what if I am both of those people
@@iphonese4965 what if I am both of those
@@charlesbutler8750 Well... Then you have/are a bottleneck :)
Run a sempron 1 core with an RTX 2080TI and you'll know the meaning of bottleneck
Yo I've got one lying around! I should do it when Navi comes out lol
@@cringeworthyhumans160 yes!!!
@@Project-gr6zy I still have the original Socket 745 mobo and the 512mb of ddr400
@@Project-gr6zy the psu... I don't think it even has a rating lol. Just 350W and probbly a fire hazard that I can take
@@cringeworthyhumans160 more potential bottlenecking lol
"Bottleneck isn't that important anymore". Nivida: hold my 3090 bottlenecking even an i9
RTX 2080ti : Need help
i3 : I am here
RTX 2080ti : Damn I am done
Bottleneck : Just in time
Loya Aheibam that good example
i7 8700K with a RX 570
Ryzen 5 2600 with a Titan XP
Pentium 4400 with titan xp
@@furocious2302 G440 (Sandy Bridge) with Titan RTX
Titan Pascal is dead, RTX Titan popped out of nowhere.
i9 9900k with a rx 480
4 titan rtx's with a ryzen 3 2200
I7 and RX 570 is not bad
Oh god...that intro...ugh...now got that image of Richard Simmons out of my head. Thanks, Jay...thanks...ugh.
Could anyone tell me if a Pc like this. Intel Core i5 9400F processor, MSI B365M Mortar Motherboard, MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Ventus GP 8GB graphics card, 16GB Team T-Force Delta RGB 3200MHz would have bottle neck issues or would be fine ?
So...is their a CHART on the Internet showing correct pairing of CPU and Video Card that yields/optimizes/avoids Bottle-necking a Game or APP running?
Like, example ONLY, i7-9700K is 100% Optimal with 9800 Ti , or i5-8700K is 98% Optimal with 1060 3GB including AMD options???
Does such a website, chart or even calculator exist on the Internet/Web????? Please give me URL?
Better yet - what CPU Passmark score is optimal with what GPU score. I OC'd my 1050 Ti from around 6000 average score for this card to 8300 score (which is better than RX 580). What Passmark score CPU do I need to fully utilize the OC'd GPU?
Closest I've seen to what you're describing is userbenchmark.com
This video was awesomely educational, great content. Thanks Jay!
Excelent video!.
Could we see a benchmark for memory "bottleneck"?
Hey guys ı got a question; with i3 9100f and rx 570 do ı get bottleneck or drop situation?
pls test ryzen cpus.. maybe 1700 OC with 1080ti?
Ryzen bottlenecks more at lower resolutions because single thread (which will happen first, stronger single-core from AMD or better multi-thread/core optimization for gaming?)
@Transistor Jump
Oh wait, the R7 1700 performs bad at 1440p ? (Just asking)
I have R7 1700 + rx580.
Was thinking about upgrading the rx580 to a 2080. Would it make sense doing so ?
Anyone with an answer would be greatly appreciated.
@Transistor Jump
Gotcha.
Thanks for the reply buddy.
@EJSC
Understood lol.
Which upgrading route would you recommend then ? In terms of GPU
@Transistor Jump
Gotcha.
Makes sense !
I'll definitely do that.
Oh and Thanks again for the helpful advice.
Bottlenecking is a Pentium 2 with the RTX 2080 ti
Intel 4004 •-•
I would pay to see that
core 2 duo with rtx 2080 ti oc
celeron 1.2ghzz
Ok
Why’d you skip over the i5? I’d like to see a value-for-money comparison in that respect if you just want a CPU for gaming. Otherwise, great vid!
just get the ryzen 5 3600/3600x way better than any i5 rn
Slapped like. Would love to see a video on bottlenecking from different resolutions. Would also love to see a video like this but with Ryzen cpus (if possible).
Slapp bass
You should’ve used a Celeron instead of an i3
Intel pentium lol
@@arcanity6880 Celeron is worse
Intel pentium 3
Lol. Intel celery
A celeron can bottleneck a gt 710
I like this video a lot, provides info for the HTT debate, and some useful info on affect of cpu bottlenecking as well.
Jayz'watch me pretend to have bad hardware'cents
"my bottles r hurting from all these necks"💀
This was awesome!
I would really like to see how other CPUs and GPUs get along while playing different games!
You keep saying "pegging", I'm not sure you fully understand what pegging is Jay.
Although I understood what he meant, he could use a better term for sure.
It's a genuine term when you max out a gauge or reading.. but yeah it's not a great term to use around non tech people lol.
Yeh Jay, what an ass! 😁
no one likes a pegger
Peg, It will come back to you.
“Today we are going to talk about bottle necking!”
*wild crazy arms flailing*
Jay is such a dad. I love it!!
Jeez Jay You a Riot!! I love your blank gomer pyle smiles into the camera after you do something crazy.
Damn you call that bottlenecking? You should see my pc
You should see my bottle
You should see my neck
you should see my eggs
You should see
you
I bottleneck with an r9 280x and an i3 4130. I can run The Division 2 with an i3.
Bottlenecking is glorious.
Hey, I love to see a video on i7-4770 3.40GHz with a gtx 1070ti
Or with 2200g, thats my setup 😂
Used it on a 1080, you should be fine with games, since it's still 4 cores. Once you go for more core intensive programs, you might see some slowdowns, but otherwise you should be fine.
If you can upgrade, it might be best to opt either for a full eco-refresh, or going second hand from a friend for the newer parts (DDR4, motherboard and processor will get pricey)
@@klebleonard Wait longer and get a new motherboard and better i7
I doubt he would test older i7's but I think it would be possible to see an i7-7700k to kind of represent the best 4 cores and 8 threads
@@sdbegotist Using the 4770k on a 1080 as well currently. You're 100% correct, when CPU intensive tasks start arising I've noticed framedrops in game. About to run some more tests before I contribute to a discussion though ; )
I've recently upgraded from fx-6300 to ryzen 5 3600
both with a 1060 6GB
DOTA 2 FPS:
fx-6300 + 1060 = ~90fps
ryzen 5 3600 + 1060 = ~145fps
Now THAT is what i call a bottleneck 🤣👌
Your CPU got bottlenecked before lol.. xD
you just "all are healed" it
df how did you just get my exact gpu and cpu right that's my specs rn lol gtx 1060 and fx-6300. What's even crazier is that im literally getting a ryzen 5 3600 cpu soon this is such a crazy comment.
@El3tr0 getting 5600x instead :D
That's why for The AMD Fans back in the FX-6300 days they recommend going for like a FX-8350 or something like that if you plan on getting a beefy GPU and if you plan on getting a Titan X, you might as well pair with The Intel 8 core CPUs. I still remembered when Jayz felt stupid in building Skunkworks to have 3 Titan X SLI but they can handle 8K Video like nothing back then.
I would definitely be interested in seeing a video that comparies CPU usage at higher resolutions, specifically 4k. I use a 7700K + 1080ti. I've never bothered to overclock the CPU assuming it was more than ebought o avoid a bottleneck at 4k resolutions but I'd be curious to see results from a tester who knows his stuff.
do a video on 3570k overclocked to 4.4 ghz with 1440p. I think there a lot of people with cpus from that era that have not upgraded.
I have the same cpu, it was a great investment.
I run a 4770k @ 4.4 and with a 1080Ti, 1440p @ 144hz, and I'm basically always GPU bound.
I have exact cpu with same overclock of 4.4ghz, need to delid to get higher.
It's like buying a RTX2080ti and 9900k and using a 60hz panel. The fps counter may say 200+ but you are really getting 60fps because of the panel
ThatAussieBloke honestly if you play anything on 60 hz in 2019 you’re just a fucking idiot
Typical Gamer found the elitist
@@ChicagoBullsMVP3 lol no.
Ezra lol it’s a joke
ExcZist's Studio I mean you’re gaming at 4K. 144 hz at 4K doesn’t make any sense considering you likely won’t hit that frame rate so you won’t benefit from having more hz. I’m not saying it is impossible. It’s just... a fuck ton of money.
Thank you for this video. Really helps illustrate bottlenecking. I think it’s great.
My intel HD graphic is bottlenecking
I found a sweet spot with my 7700K at 4.7GHz, 16GB of RAM, an overclocked 1070, and a 1440p monitor.
What fps can you get in 1440p with low settings? Im planning to buy a 1440p 144hz monitor and i dont know if it's worth it with 1070
@@GreenDayGA 1070 is good for 1440p 60hz. You'll want a 1080ti to get 60+ for 1440p 144hz
@@ShowMeYaMovez im pretty sute that with competetive settings it can do like 90-100fps
I have a i5 8600k @ 4.6 paired with a Asus strix 1080gtx on a 1440p 27in 144hz monitor. Max settings on battlefield 5 hitting over 100 fps. No bottle necking here. Just so you know. I run the same test on a 1080p monitor and I was getting stuttering with frame drops every few seconds.
@@vampire__uk BFV is a cpu hog, especially at 1080p high frames (140+). Stuttering didn't go away until I got a 12 thread i7 8086k @ 5ghz.
this channel has some really catchy intros ngl
This is basically my experience with my 6600k paired with my 2080 in Cyberpunk, gotta wait a couple more weeks before my 5600x shows up.