Hah, Ice wall and Otiluke's sphere are NOT new (well they're new to me). I've never played late game wizard, clearly. BUT I'm about to become a bladesinger main!
Phalar Aluve would be a great longsword if you don't want to go into strength. And Matches the theme of bladesinger. And shocking grasp might be a good cantrip too up close and helps you get away if you need to.
Phalar Aluve Shriek definitely synergizes with Bladesong mechanically and thematically. I think another good choice would be go high Charisma and high Intelligence then use the Harmonic Dueller (with an Arcane Synergy setup) Actually, even better idea, hexblade 1 Bladesinger 11 to maybe use your INT to power your melee weapon instead of Dex? Maybe, depending on how the multiclassing works Sylvan Scimitar and Infernal Rapier would also be good, again using INT for melee attacks would be very simplifying for this build.
If you take 1 point into Monk, you can use any versatile weapon you are proficient in and scale it with dex. Opens up more options for a dex based char that also wants to use 2 handed weapons (has to be versatile)
This is one of the subclasses I'm most excited to try out. I think Phalar Aluve seems like an excellent and thematic weapon to use with this subclass (and it would allow a dex focus rather than having to invest in strength).
i’ve found that mirror image + bladesong AC bonus is a good combo i’ve gotten as high as 27-30 from testing. also, i’ve only been using rapiers and finesse weapons, but the thought of a high STR wizard melee fighter is really cool. regarding booming blade, for whatever reason (most likely a bug) i wasn’t able to pick booming blade when i created my character and every time i get the option to learn a new cantrip it doesn’t show up so fair warning there might be a bug preventing you from getting the new cantrips.
If you minmax it, you use double crossbows + arcane acuity hat and play it like swords bard except you've got much better spell list. And bladesong just gives you better damage in the early game and easier concentration and survivability in late game
The saving throw you made versus Bladesong Climax is just a bug, because nothing states that you must make a save whenever you use Climax. If it was meant to be a concentration save to keep Haste up (which shouldn't happen given that you didn't take damage), it used your Intelligence modifier for the roll erroneously.
I don't get it... So, you basically need to spend all your spell slots just for bladesong to deal abysmally low damage and then long rest after every fight? That doesn't make any sense. What am I missing?
Damn, my heart can't decide between this and Hexblade! Have you already chosen the next subclasse? If not, can it be Monk? 🙏 I'm really interested on how the Drunken Master will work!
“Wizard players are eating good.” I haven’t played Wizard, but bladesinger has me very tempted! Dual wielder feat, using Phalar Alure in one hand, then either Infernal Rapier or Jaheria’s Scimitar in the other. I think more so then for any other class, wood elf is the play. Being able to attack someone, then get away seems very important given how squishy mages are. I think you’ll want a good mix of melee and ranged spells, maybe throw in the daredevil gloves. EDIT: I think my only complaint about the class is the charges only coming back on a long rest. That’s a bit of a bummer, cuz it’s what makes this subclass so unique but you max out at 4 uses an adventuring day, which is rough.
@ I literally have access to the stress test. You can dual wield and blade sing will work. You just need to use two compatable weapons. If either is of one of the weapons blade sing doesn’t support, THATS what stops it.
@@Drazhayou can dual wielding in the table top as well. The blade song feature in 5e says that holding a weapon two handed will shut down bladesong so longswords can only be held in one hand. That is where bg3 differs also the feature should add Intel mod to AC. "It ends early if you are incapacitated, if you don medium or heavy armor or a shield, or if you use two hands to make an attack with a weapon." But in tabletop there are issues with somantic spell components meaning you need a free hand to cast a spell with that component, Additionally there are lot of things competing for a bonus action so dual wielding is kinda a pain to work into the build.
Phalar Aluve and Larethian's Wrath are both longswords that are also Finesse, so you could use either of them with this build and focus on Dex to boost your AC and Initiative even higher if you wanted.
Go druid to get flame blade (and maybe a mod so that it lasts til long rest), one dip into sorc to get adv on con saves and booming blade(or three to get quickend spell) and the rest into blade singer. You are a full caster, weapon works off of spellcasting modifier and you're doing fire (and necrotic if spore druid) and thunder. Sounds super fun
Man, I was super excited for the Bladesinger subclass as it's one of the subclasses I play in 5e, but not having your intelligence modifier added to your AC when singing is pretty lame :/ Hope they change this for when the patch goes live.
Yes for all the above. So it's a nice combo to cast call lightning + misty step over over until you're ready to climax, then you're only using spell slots for the initial lightning cast and misty step.
blade song seems like it will work best in big encounter fights. give you time to build it up before your climax. def want to see about mixing with warlock. haste is probably the better option but if reaply hex gives charges to blade song would be a free bonus action spell to use.
Great video! But one criticism. Depending on how much you want to use Shadow Blade, you may not want to take great weapon master, as you won't be using a two handed or versatile weapon.
I'm wondering if you didn't get a charge from the shield spell because you were picking the version that your armor gives you. At around 25:33 it shows the lvl 1 shield in the 3rd spot down. Maybe using it as an actual spell you cast with a slot would give the charge? Or since it's a reaction spell it doesn't count?
The only logical saving throw you would roll in that case seems to be concentration. O_o Wich would ... kinda suck. :D Hiting yourself with your own climax.
I need help here. With this new Subclass...why would anyone roll an Eldritch Knight? I mean they are both martial casters, but one is clearly Superior to the other. I think they need to overhaul EK immediately...or is it just me?
EK also gets booming blade plus all the equipment and weapons they get to use, also don't forget about improved extra atk at lvl 11. But I know what you mean, bladesinging is very flashy compared to EK.
Eldritch Knight can wear Heavy Armor, Greatswords and can use Shillelagh. Neither one is superior, they are just two solutions to the same problem coming at it from opposite angles: wizard who can fight versus fighter who can cast.
I'm gonna make a halfling Bladesinger. Give him Short Sword Proficiency and watch him dart around the battlefield like a magical Yoda on coffee. He'll also romance Path Of The Giant Karlach, because the smaller he is... *The Bigger She Is* 😍😘😏
I will say however, I'm not a fan of Booming Blade personally. Like I get WHY it's busted and how "Make a weapon attack" is WAY more important than the bonus damage, it just feel like it's way more of a hassle to deal with the bonus damage and I always feel kinda bad leaving it on the table. Would have liked to also get Green Flame Blade.
Why wear light armor when you can cast mage armor? the light armors in bg3 are pretty lame much better to use mage armor and some robes, I guess the Drow armor that gives you advantage on Conc saves might be decent
@ I get it but the beauty of bladesing was that sweet sweet int ac bonus in 5e. You could easily have an equivalent bonus as a breastplate without the dex restriction. Different game though, so we will have to see.
I kinda like that they didnt copy the "Your weapon scales with INT" part of the 5e Bladesinger, I never liked that the 5e Bladesinger could literally be a full powered melee fighter and a full powered caster at the same time by just maxing 1 stat... Wizards are already OP compared to other classes, they dont need to be so busted...
As far as I'm aware the 5e Bladesinging does not have its weapons scale with INT. AC and CON saves during Bladesong scale with INT and on level 14th you can add your INT modifier to the damage of your melee weapon. But your attacks still use STR or DEX. 5e Bladesinging are definitely not a single attribute subclass. And I'm not writing this out of memory, I checked on Tasha's.
The 5e Bladesinger doesn't have Intelligence weapon scaling, at level 14 they can add their Intelligence to only the damage of weapon attacks which is a bump to damage at high levels which most don't reach, but that's about it
Hah, Ice wall and Otiluke's sphere are NOT new (well they're new to me). I've never played late game wizard, clearly. BUT I'm about to become a bladesinger main!
Welcome to the Bladesinger club lol it's definitely an interesting subclass, love to see the different interactions with all the gear in the game!
Phalar Aluve would be a great longsword if you don't want to go into strength. And Matches the theme of bladesinger. And shocking grasp might be a good cantrip too up close and helps you get away if you need to.
Not a bad choice, that is one of my favorites.
Ya especially making it screech adding more thunder damage to booming blade or other attacks.
And I think when you use sheild, you're using it from the armor and not your spell list. That might be why the bladesong charge doesn't get added.
Phalar Aluve Shriek definitely synergizes with Bladesong mechanically and thematically.
I think another good choice would be go high Charisma and high Intelligence then use the Harmonic Dueller (with an Arcane Synergy setup)
Actually, even better idea, hexblade 1 Bladesinger 11 to maybe use your INT to power your melee weapon instead of Dex? Maybe, depending on how the multiclassing works
Sylvan Scimitar and Infernal Rapier would also be good, again using INT for melee attacks would be very simplifying for this build.
I'm pretty sure it'll still work with strength, finesse weapons scale with dex or strength.
It just depends which one is higher.
If you take 1 point into Monk, you can use any versatile weapon you are proficient in and scale it with dex.
Opens up more options for a dex based char that also wants to use 2 handed weapons (has to be versatile)
The multiclassing is going to be nuts with this one.
for this I'd take either the Phalar Aluve or the infernal rapier
Planar Aluve is also finessed so you are better with DEX for it.
Great job with your showcase! The casting animation look really nice. Cant wait for the patch to drop!
Thank you brother!
Bladeboomer my beloved.
I can't live without it now.
this is what iv been waiting for! 😄😁
My head hurts.... lol
This is one of the subclasses I'm most excited to try out. I think Phalar Aluve seems like an excellent and thematic weapon to use with this subclass (and it would allow a dex focus rather than having to invest in strength).
If you play shadow blade you bump up your dexterity not strengh, since you are squishy and dex gives you AC and shaddow blade is a finess weapon.
Oh I know I was just showing off how it works.
Finally! Each subclass you did, I kept waiting for this one. It was torment 😅
Multiclass video is going to be a pain in the ass.. so many options!
i’ve found that mirror image + bladesong AC bonus is a good combo i’ve gotten as high as 27-30 from testing. also, i’ve only been using rapiers and finesse weapons, but the thought of a high STR wizard melee fighter is really cool.
regarding booming blade, for whatever reason (most likely a bug) i wasn’t able to pick booming blade when i created my character and every time i get the option to learn a new cantrip it doesn’t show up so fair warning there might be a bug preventing you from getting the new cantrips.
Thanks again!!!
Thank you for watching!
If you minmax it, you use double crossbows + arcane acuity hat and play it like swords bard except you've got much better spell list.
And bladesong just gives you better damage in the early game and easier concentration and survivability in late game
The amount of choices you have with this subclass.. I love it
The saving throw you made versus Bladesong Climax is just a bug, because nothing states that you must make a save whenever you use Climax. If it was meant to be a concentration save to keep Haste up (which shouldn't happen given that you didn't take damage), it used your Intelligence modifier for the roll erroneously.
I thought so, I just didn't know if it was something from dnd. Thank you for replying!
Gale now has 2 "immortal" subclasses lol
Damn you Gale of Waterdeep!
I don't get it... So, you basically need to spend all your spell slots just for bladesong to deal abysmally low damage and then long rest after every fight? That doesn't make any sense. What am I missing?
I want to see the full damage rolls because I understand exactly what you mean.
yeah the class ability doesn't seem to be worth it tbh. and it has to roll EVERYTIME to use it? meh
Damn, my heart can't decide between this and Hexblade!
Have you already chosen the next subclasse?
If not, can it be Monk? 🙏
I'm really interested on how the Drunken Master will work!
I just finished shadow sorc.. and my brain is fried so tomorrow will be monk.
@ Thank you for your answer! I hope you have a good rest!
This looks really interesting tbh, I like those kind of mechanics that require thinking.
A lot of setup potential, this was a fun one to learn. Can't wait to see how people maximize it.
“Wizard players are eating good.”
I haven’t played Wizard, but bladesinger has me very tempted! Dual wielder feat, using Phalar Alure in one hand, then either Infernal Rapier or Jaheria’s Scimitar in the other.
I think more so then for any other class, wood elf is the play. Being able to attack someone, then get away seems very important given how squishy mages are. I think you’ll want a good mix of melee and ranged spells, maybe throw in the daredevil gloves.
EDIT: I think my only complaint about the class is the charges only coming back on a long rest. That’s a bit of a bummer, cuz it’s what makes this subclass so unique but you max out at 4 uses an adventuring day, which is rough.
Bladesong won't work if you're dual wielding. You have to be holding one sword and that's it. No shields either.
@ I literally have access to the stress test. You can dual wield and blade sing will work. You just need to use two compatable weapons. If either is of one of the weapons blade sing doesn’t support, THATS what stops it.
Good intel!
@@Drazhayou can dual wielding in the table top as well. The blade song feature in 5e says that holding a weapon two handed will shut down bladesong so longswords can only be held in one hand. That is where bg3 differs also the feature should add Intel mod to AC.
"It ends early if you are incapacitated, if you don medium or heavy armor or a shield, or if you use two hands to make an attack with a weapon."
But in tabletop there are issues with somantic spell components meaning you need a free hand to cast a spell with that component, Additionally there are lot of things competing for a bonus action so dual wielding is kinda a pain to work into the build.
...Why would they not call it Crescendo? It's a BladeSINGER.
Lol that's a good point.
Phalar Aluve and Larethian's Wrath are both longswords that are also Finesse, so you could use either of them with this build and focus on Dex to boost your AC and Initiative even higher if you wanted.
Go druid to get flame blade (and maybe a mod so that it lasts til long rest), one dip into sorc to get adv on con saves and booming blade(or three to get quickend spell) and the rest into blade singer. You are a full caster, weapon works off of spellcasting modifier and you're doing fire (and necrotic if spore druid) and thunder. Sounds super fun
Man, I was super excited for the Bladesinger subclass as it's one of the subclasses I play in 5e, but not having your intelligence modifier added to your AC when singing is pretty lame :/
Hope they change this for when the patch goes live.
The only thing that I would still have liked to see is if you can get Blade Song charges from recasted spells like Call Lightning, Witchbolt, Sunbeam
Yes for all the above. So it's a nice combo to cast call lightning + misty step over over until you're ready to climax, then you're only using spell slots for the initial lightning cast and misty step.
@wayfaringnomad that seems crazy good
I don't know what the limit is for the charges either, I got to 16 before I ran out of spells, but I wasn't using call lightning.
blade song seems like it will work best in big encounter fights. give you time to build it up before your climax. def want to see about mixing with warlock. haste is probably the better option but if reaply hex gives charges to blade song would be a free bonus action spell to use.
Man that new mechanic looks like a blast.
It feels fresh! Like an expansion addition, I'm a fan.
Great video! But one criticism. Depending on how much you want to use Shadow Blade, you may not want to take great weapon master, as you won't be using a two handed or versatile weapon.
Oh I know I was just showing shadow blade and how the spell worked. I was planning on the longsword the entire time.
@wayfaringnomad Ohhh okay got it. Thanks for showing off the new subclasses
I'm wondering if you didn't get a charge from the shield spell because you were picking the version that your armor gives you. At around 25:33 it shows the lvl 1 shield in the 3rd spot down. Maybe using it as an actual spell you cast with a slot would give the charge? Or since it's a reaction spell it doesn't count?
I'll double check because you'd think something like counterspell and shield would add a charge, and that would be amazing.
Bladesong Climax 👀
Now I'll finally play Wizard
In D&D when you get extra attack, you can replace one with casting a cantrip like fire bolt. Can you do the same here?
I wonder if you could also take two levels of tempest cleric for their channel divinity to roll max damage on your booming blade?
You could but the actual thunder damage isn't that much.
I believe those 2 ice spells aren’t new
aaaannnnddd that'll explain how much wizard I play.
The only logical saving throw you would roll in that case seems to be concentration. O_o
Wich would ... kinda suck. :D Hiting yourself with your own climax.
Climaxing on yourself lol
10 dex would be brutal for initiative so this does feel like you have to dump strength and go elixir or finesse weapon.
we do have a lot of gear that adds initiative and the elixir that gives you essential alert, but I know what you mean.
123 / 5 000
If I want to use Shadow Blade as my spellcasting weapon, it is not necessary for me to pick up a short sword as my weapon of choice ?
I don't think so since you'll be proficient with the shadow blade regardless.
Is bladesong climax a thing larian homebrew ?
I'm not a 5e Dnd guy, but my friend who is said it is.
Normaly bladesinger it's built on dex to buff ac you can go up to 24 on lvl 2 using shield spell whit blade song active
Is it best just to use the shadow blade with this?
@@wayfaringnomad You can use it until lvl 5 then haste spell and a rapier o a phalar be more damage on general
But play as you like it is very fun to play subclass
Lol you can see I'm mostly a fighter/pal player since my brain went straight to a longsword. I really like this subclass.
So does Bursting Sinew work on corpses that you pick up and place on the battlefield or does it only work on a freshly slain corpse?
Should work on corpses you pick up. Real question is what are you doing with all those bodies in your camp chest?
@@wayfaringnomad Making a corpse explosion party, aren't you?
lol love it
I need help here. With this new Subclass...why would anyone roll an Eldritch Knight? I mean they are both martial casters, but one is clearly Superior to the other. I think they need to overhaul EK immediately...or is it just me?
EK also gets booming blade plus all the equipment and weapons they get to use, also don't forget about improved extra atk at lvl 11. But I know what you mean, bladesinging is very flashy compared to EK.
I think yes, there are new spells and qol that can be good for eldritch knight
Eldritch Knight can wear Heavy Armor, Greatswords and can use Shillelagh. Neither one is superior, they are just two solutions to the same problem coming at it from opposite angles: wizard who can fight versus fighter who can cast.
Just wondering... how much did it take for you to get the access code for the test? Im eating my nails brub.
I just signed up for the beta and got lucky.
I'm gonna make a halfling Bladesinger.
Give him Short Sword Proficiency and watch him dart around the battlefield like a magical Yoda on coffee.
He'll also romance Path Of The Giant Karlach, because the smaller he is...
*The Bigger She Is* 😍😘😏
Size matters not
@DarksideGmss0513 *Bimblim The Wizard:* Size matters not.
**Watches Karlach Grow**
*Bimblim The wizard:* **Ahem** But there are some exceptions...
It would have helped if you had read about Bladesinging from D&D 5E :)
Can you tell me what saving throw I'm rolling when climaxing? Lol that sounds funny, we're a vibe channel around here.
That is not a good biult ! Mistakes almost every single level
I'm going to take this very elaborate feedback andddddd.....
I will say however, I'm not a fan of Booming Blade personally. Like I get WHY it's busted and how "Make a weapon attack" is WAY more important than the bonus damage, it just feel like it's way more of a hassle to deal with the bonus damage and I always feel kinda bad leaving it on the table.
Would have liked to also get Green Flame Blade.
I highly doubt that it being intended to be able to cast Booming Blade in place of Extra Attack weapon attacks, but idk
If they nerf it, that'll be a hit across the board. It is very strong atm.
Why wear light armor when you can cast mage armor? the light armors in bg3 are pretty lame much better to use mage armor and some robes, I guess the Drow armor that gives you advantage on Conc saves might be decent
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Ouch...+2 to ac is rough. That's the equivalent of a shield. + int is WAY better
It scales up to +4 by lvl 9, so not horrible.
@ I get it but the beauty of bladesing was that sweet sweet int ac bonus in 5e. You could easily have an equivalent bonus as a breastplate without the dex restriction. Different game though, so we will have to see.
If you're making a wizard guide you should know what spells actually were or weren't in the game prior to this.
Probably but here we are.
this new ice wall spell looks super busted, no WAY it gets out un-nerfed!
So that is new, nice!
@@wayfaringnomad No, its not a new one, but was quite buggy in some prior patches so it was often ignored
They succed in worsening what is considered the best gish concept for a pure wizard character... Not so good
I kinda like that they didnt copy the "Your weapon scales with INT" part of the 5e Bladesinger, I never liked that the 5e Bladesinger could literally be a full powered melee fighter and a full powered caster at the same time by just maxing 1 stat... Wizards are already OP compared to other classes, they dont need to be so busted...
As far as I'm aware the 5e Bladesinging does not have its weapons scale with INT. AC and CON saves during Bladesong scale with INT and on level 14th you can add your INT modifier to the damage of your melee weapon. But your attacks still use STR or DEX. 5e Bladesinging are definitely not a single attribute subclass.
And I'm not writing this out of memory, I checked on Tasha's.
The 5e Bladesinger doesn't have Intelligence weapon scaling, at level 14 they can add their Intelligence to only the damage of weapon attacks which is a bump to damage at high levels which most don't reach, but that's about it
@ You are right, I confused it with the new UA Bladesinger