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1861 Colt Navy original vs Uberti repro
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2014
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Nuts and bolts, simmilarities and differences, and shooting an original Colt 1861 Navy revolver straight from the civil war times and its modern time repro by Uberti.
Your enthusiasm and respect for these remarkable and historical pieces is contagious. Nice vid.
I really enjoy watching your videos. I fell in love with black powder rifles and pistols in my early teens. My brother and I both hunted the woods of southeast Texas with muzzleloaders in hand. He preferred a .58 caliber half-stock Hawken style rifle while I preferred a similar rifle in .50 caliber. We both shot patched round ball in slow-twist (1:66) barrels. We also enjoyed informal range time with our rifles and pistols, including flintlock and percussion single-shot and revolvers. It's been years since I last shot black powder but have been looking to get into it again by building an early Lehigh style Pennsylvania long rifle in .36 or .40 caliber.
Please keep up the great work!
You won't find this kind of quality technical and fun BP information anywhere else. Many thanks to you. And congratulations on your fine showing in the World Championships!
I have a Pietta 1851 Navy Colt in 44 cal, I had problems with spent caps falling into the action ans jamming the cylinder. An experienced black powder friend advised me to change the nipples to "Slix Shot" stainless steel nipples and also to fill in the hole on the hammer face which tends to pull the spent cap off the nipple,
I did both and have not had a problem since. Slix Shot nipples are different in that they have tiny side vents which allow the back blast to be diverted thereby keeping the cap in place.
They can be obtained from Long Hunters of Amerillo, Texas for about $30. They are easily reached on the web. I received mine in the UK within 5 days of ordering.
I am surprised that in the United Kingdom they let you fire sidearms. I heard that they've even taken the shot guns away from the farmers, is that true? Anyway I'm glad that you can enjoy some sport with the black powder firearms. Here's a joke I heard from my geology teacher. He asked us to name a rock that grew in Australia. We students told him we don't know. He said a pomegranate
Thank you so much!
This is the only Colt 1861 review out there!
Thank you capandball!
Very interesting comparison. I love it when you bring out the old originals. That one is in excellent condition!
more than 50nyrs ago I had the honor to disassemble an 1850. My girlfriend at that time told me that her and here sisters played cowboy and indian with the Colt. The pin was missing so I made one, reassembled and left my name on a piece of paper inside the grip. Thank you for taking your time to show us these timeless weapons. I was a member of the BPMLA for many years and shot in their matches winning a few with my Browning 50 w/denium patched RB.
Another excellent Cap N' Ball video. Absolutely fabulous.
I like your approach to issues with these guns. You are a very systematic and logical person, and that alone seems make your videos very professional.
Well done!
Good to see you back and hope more videos are coming! Congrats on the winnings in Spain.
Side note, my x6-7 Great Grandfather carried Colt Walkers during the Civil War (he was in the Texas Cavalry, Terry's Rangers and later known as Hoods Texans) but these where basically horse pistols and I believe he got one of these Colt Navy's off of a dead Yank and carried it on his hip. At least this is what I can tell from his diary and pictures.
Everything about the colt is beautiful. The history. The way it looks and the way it sounds. Very cool
I wish there were more Colt percussion videos. Good job! Keep it up. I have an Authentic Colt Blackpowder Series 1861 Navy # 42088. It s one of my favorites. You seem to be about the only one that extensively shows the nuances/contrasts, details etc of firing these old Colts. I really liked the Walker/Navy/Army and springfield? pine wood penetration comparison. That was good. It would be good if you could do more of the old authentic comaprison shooting.
I just bought an Uberti 1861 today, I am very impressed with the fit and finish. I bought it used but it is in 98% condition. It came with everything, wooden case, balls, powder, caps, flask, tools, cappers, I couldn't say no at $150. The 1861 is a beautiful revolver, sleek.
Again, really appreciate your comparisons between original, and reproduction Colt firearms.
Great comparison. It's nice to see the old revolvers still doing what they were designed for. Thanks. atb
That original 61 is gorgeous.
Thanks again for another great video. These articles comparing originals and reproductions can not be found anywhere. You should write for a major gun magazine.
Thank you for sharing your videos. I truly appreciate your collection of the original cap n ball revolvers and then shooting them. Very nice e collection.
I found one of these for sale in an antiques centre last weekend, low serial number dates it to late 1861 build and it allegedly has it's original leather holster. No idea how it came to be in England, asking price was £1850. I would be lying if I said I wasn't tempted, though I'd need to sell something to get it!
FordPrefect23 hi, just wondering if you could help me out on the laws regarding muzzleloaders, going to apply for my license, wondering whether you have to "justify" muzzleloaders the same as breachloaders? Or once you have an FAC you can buy them without having to beg your feo?
That’s pretty neat, maybe Europe imported them after the civil war?
Nicely done. Until seeing your videos, I really did not know of the 1861 Navy Colt revolver, just the 1860 Army Colt. Thanks for the insights.
great video very well in depth i just bought 3 uberti recently thanks again
I just bought a reproduction of the 1861. Beautiful gun. A have friend that does muzzle loaders, so he and I planning to go to the local range soon and both try our hands with the revolver. Thank you for this video, I love seeing how good a job Uberti did at recreating the Colt. Good video.
Surprising accuracy from a gun with so many variables inherent in it's design.
Beautiful, just beautiful. I want. Can't decide if I want the '61 Navy or '62 police next.
The Police is surprisingly powerful and nice handling. An elongated ball of 130g with about 19g FFFg BP flies through 3 and 1/2 pine boards at 50yds. The pistol r e a l l y feels sleek in the hand too!
Great video! always nice to see people from other countries who appreciate what your own country has to offer. congrats on your good performance in your competition! Cheers from the United States
ejr 1911 Many thanks for the good words! It is always happy to see people all around the World sharing the same respect for history.
capandball I have a confederate revolver, colt SAA, Webley 38, Mauser pistol, semi auto pistol, volcanic pistol, high powered pistol
Very cool video, as always. Keep up the good work!
Cheers, MW
That is awesome u have a original revolver from 1861 I injoyed your video I been thinking about buying a cap an ball gun to play around with
I love your videos! Thank you for taking the time to produce such great content.
Very informative, thank you. The only difference that you did not point out is that the European made copies use metric screws, whereas the originals used standard American (SAE) threads. Another thing that I like to point out is that the longer grip of the 1860 Army can be put on the 1851 Navy, 1861 Navy and the 1873 SAA. The only thing to watch out for is that the threads that hold the trigger guard to the backstrap have to match, but they may be different from that of the screws that hold those two parts to the frame. Amateur gunsmithing is so much fun.
Very nicely done! Thanks for posting this.
Nice video, Gr8 job :) I love percussion revolvers, I have 4 repro from Pietta and ASM :)
Nice review of a very nice replica and original 1861. I want.
That is a very special Colt, you are very lucky to have it.
awesome video thanks for showing these neat revolvers
I saw a question about the 'cone shaped' chambers in the cylinder. Colt did this for two reasons. 1- to strengthen the cylinder (He was still experiencing cylinder failures with these 'Silver Steel' models. 2- To allow for ball compression into the chamber for good hermetic seal (lead 'shaving' is best prevented. Colt stated that the best fitting ball prevents charge contamination/communication of fire). Replicators don t do this today due to better steel quality a h e m and the expense involved. Besides. It s not like ones life depends upon these anymore.
I loved your video, I my just go out and purchase the Uberti now.
I already have one on layaway. Exciting.
Just got a 1851 Griswold and Gunnison replica made by Pietta. Its a beautiful replica going to shoot it today. You make great informative videos I have subscribed. Thanks
Another great video. Congrats on you and your teams shooting skills in Spain. I know you guys must practice quite often.
Thanks, from Texas
Excellent Video, I really enjoyed watching it.
I will stick with the Remington, as you taught me from your last video i watched.Keep up the good work!!
Excellent comparison. That is pretty amazing accuracy for a 153 year old handgun!
I see the arbor pin end on the Uberti is flat on the end, meaning the only points of fit are the wedge and arbor slot
The original has the end of the arbor pin domed, and hand fit to the bore in the barrel assembly therefore one more point of strength
thanks for the compair test c&b.
I absolutely love your videos.
I have to ask, what kind of lube do you use on the end of the chamber? I'm thinking a home-mix of beeswax and tallow, but I'm not sure.
right now I just use some of my Thompson-Center Bore-butter since it's cold enough right now here for it, but when the weather warms up, it won't be good enough. It gets oily at about 80 degrees F outside.
again, absolutely love your videos.
In my area of the globe, I can't do the lube over the bullet because any effective lube is already semi-liquid in all but the coldest parts of winter and any attempt to use it in that way just makes a mess. So instead I gather 20-30 balls and place them in a plastic bag along with a dollop of lube and roll them around until they are well coated. Not ideal but it seems to work well enough.
Your videos are highly informative, very interesting, professionally done and well edited and I look forward to every one of them, both for the revolvers and the long guns. I have been shooting off and on for over 50 years but am new to black powder. To me it is amazing that you can buy these precision reproductions for the ridiculously low prices for which they sell. I have collected nine of the Pietas and Ubertis and my next black powder purchase will probably be one of the Nepalese Martini Henrys although there is a Whitneyville Dragoon on sale that is beckoning to me and the Pedersoli Lightning is a beautiful weapon. I think the greatest pleasure in all this is embracing the history in these weapons, they all have souls. Black powder is Intensely hands on at all stages from loading to clean-up and thus very personal whereas newer smokeless powder weapons as good as they are are more like tools. Anyway, thank you very much for all the wonderful videos you have provided for us to enjoy.
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Ummm after looking at the two rifling, I've come to realize both my replica rem 1858s use the exact rifling as the original colt you have there, I'm sure this is a con, but I found it surprising how quickly I recognized the inside of that colt to the inside of my remmy, what's even stranger is both are brass frame pietta, but one was made around the 60s and the other in 2011 I think, but both have the same old school rifling. Damn
Late reply, but maybe interesting. The original Remington NMA (1858) have only 5 groves in the rifling. It start of in a slow twist, quite similar to the original colt shown here, but the twist rate is progressive and it ends up closer to the twist of the replica.
Great video and fantastic revolvers :)
Many thanks Miguel! :)
Thankyou I hadn't see them, great vids.
Hello, I suggest that you support the tip of the pipe in the sandbag, so you would have less angle of error and more precision, cordial greetings from Argentina.
This was an Excellent review/comparison!
Watching you show the stamp marks on the original made me think that waaaaay back in 1861, a gentleman {or multiple gentlemen} manually hammered those marks in place. And they're still there and legible....
You have some video that explains how to disassemble and assemble the colt shown in this video
I have (2)1851 Uberti Colt Navy's, one is the English all steel, the other has the brass trigger guard. Looks like I will just have to get the 1861 Colt by Uberti to go along with my 1860 Uberti Colt .44 Army. Just wish I could find one already engraved.
I really like your videos. Keep them coming.
I've got a .36cal blackpowder revolver, love it!
The first time you have a cap pop in your fingers you'll stop squeezing and find #10 caps...
Very good presentation , thank you. and I learned some good pointers as well!!!
I am envious about the chance to be able to shoot both of those as a comparison. Great idea and good job.
If anyone wants to make the main spring stronger on the repro, pull it out and bend it straighter. Then put it back in. It will be stronger
My Navy Colt broke 2 main springs. Very nice rewolver. I must replace the main spring and start shooting it again.
Well done my friend !
Curious, the geometry differences between the original Colts and the replicas,- rifling, chambering and so on. The safety pins of that original New Model Navy have long been peened away hmm? Inspired by the Hickok Tutt event, I fired elongated balls, cast from the Colt molds, from a Dragoon and Navy at a light steel plate target with a 2'' fir board backing it, spaced 5 '' at 70 yards. The Navy ball went through the steel and stuck into the surface of the board. The Dragoon ball went through and deep into the board, almost out the back, knocking the board over. BTW, A picket fired from a Walker went right through, blasting the back out of the board.
Beautiful Gun, Thanks for the video.
Still prefer Remington. Less cap jams and holds up well here in Louisiana. My ancestors in the civil war used the Remington alot. The stories have been past down for generations Great video God bless my friend. 👍
Increíble!! Un vídeo singular!! Those are some very tight groupings!!!
Colt and jaming a long time history they are still keeping the tradition :)
Excellent, a couple of minor points if you will. Chainfire are caused by the fire around the nipples, not the grease around the balls. The grease around the balls lubes the base pin and decrease fouling. You should probably have replaced all of the nipples on the original prior to firing. Most used in combat were paper cartridges and probably conical bullets. There used to be probably the best info on youtube done by Longrider's son. They upgrade the Italian made revolvers for competition and have fired many thousands of rounds for testing. They recommend #10 Remington caps only. They are hotter with less misfires and a better fit. They recommend a small dowel to push them firmly on. They recommend a fiber wad under the ball and a special lube which works far better than any other tested.
Great video awesome channel, will you do an uberti 1860 army review at some point?
Clive, I already have a few of those. ua-cam.com/video/k0wlIyCQJuw/v-deo.html
Interesting, really nice to see they did such a good job. I'm thinking of buying an Uberti. What is your impression of the quality? Do you think it would be a reliable gun for many years? Will it be around in 100 years?
Jim F yes if you take care of it it will outlast you
Thanks. Pertinent info. I wish I'd found it 7 yrs ago so it would be available to me then instead of 2now in 2022. Furthermore, I wish you were in the USA.
Very nice video, my only issue is that I have that same digital caliper and it is nowhere near accurate or reliable enough for these fine measurements, a true micrometer and castings if needed would be better but hey close enough I suppose.
Amazing. Thank for your all videos. What a type of caps are you used on Uberti?
I have the Uberti and find it to be very enjoyable except for cleaning , my 44 Uberti Navy is is stainless so cleaning is easy and just as fun so even though I have both for shooting I prefer the Remington copy . I wish I had your original Colt though . The Colt you have is in beautiful condition and I am somewhat surprised you actually shoot it .
Nice! First time I have ever seen any original Colt cap and ball pistol shot.
I have a Colt 1860 repo and a 3rd model Dragoon repo as well. I am thinking of picking up a Uberti Walker some time soon.
The Dragoon is very accurate, but the 1860 throws balls. At full cock the cylinder does not line up perfectly with the bore. It's close but not perfectly in line. You can see how that would cause problems!
Excellent video.
A very good video. I subscribed to your channel. Thank You
I used to have an 1860 Army and a Pietta replica. I found that the original Colt had an ever-so-slightly thicker barrel assembly and a noticeably fuller (more rounded) blast shield. Do you find the same is true? Sort of looks like the blast shield of your antique navy is bigger than your Uberti's in this video.
I dont know why but old stuff is cooler to me. My truck is 51 years old and i just found a mint condition vintage mongoose all terrain mountain bike on the side walk with a free sign. It looks brand new, all i had to do was air up the tires.
Hey guys it’s captain bored again
I am a new shooter to the cap and ball revolver I actually have a 1861 Colt which I love, why the cornmeal though?🤔
Great informative video as usual. I wish the Uberti had a brass trigger guard.
they make it with brass trigger guard also
***** Is the backstrap also brass or is it steel like on it's bigger brother, the 1860?
J.L. Roberts On the Uberti Civilian version both the backstrap and the trigger guard are in brass
***** Thank you. I will see if any dealers sell that model in the USA.
How to dismantle piece by piece this weapon being shown in the video?
Enjoy your videos. Love black powder guns. Cartridge & percussion!
I have an 1861 navy replica that is missing the front sight it is an Armi, does anyone know where I can find one?
+James Lueder
You might try a Dixie Gunworks catalog. The one I ordered recently is stock full of all sorts of black powder replacement gun parts.
In his measurement of cylinder and barrel slughe stated cylinder throats were .370 and that barrel slug was .374 across groves....seems like cylinder chambers were undersized...this has got to hurt accuracy
How big is the gap of the drum in the original ?
I notice that the barrel on the Uberti is a lot beefier than the original. Is the Uberti heavier than the original, as this would affect the feel and balance?
It s great how you contrast the Colts (replica/original). Good job! I noticed your refering to the copies as 'reproductions'. They re really replicas. Right?
Replicas and Reproductions are the same word. Only that 'reproduction' may also mean a company reproducing it's own product that it discontinuted many years ago, however the word 're-run' is more often used for this.
There s a little more to it. Reproduction is when the original creator makes/authorizes a copy of a particular example of a model (such as when Colt 'reproduced a specific Dragoon that a notable figure was gifted). Replica is when someone other than the original maker copies it (Uberti etc simply copying it). Colt 're-issued/continued production' of their line. They are n o t reproductions nor replicas.
See?
Your 're-run' more closely speaks to 'reproducing a specific copy' and not continuation of production. Afterall, the next Chevy off the line isn t refered to a 'reproduction or replica'. anyway, it s a simple matter of word construct (technical definition) and subject context.
I wish Uberti would make a cartridge conversion of the 1861 navy I would buy one. I have a type II 1860 Army a Mason & Richards 1860 Army and a 1872 Open Top two in 44 Colt and the 72 is in 45LC. I love the feel of these guns over the 1873 SAA mostly because the Army has the grips Colt should have put on the SAA. Now I may need to buy an 1861 navy and it is your fault. LOL Great video thanks.
I noticed in some of your other vids that you made cartridges using flash paper rather than what you do in this video which is just loading powder into the cylinder. Are you able to make cartridges for pretty much any percussion revolver like this?
I have no trouble with cap jamming at all with my 1851 Pietta. 20 years ago it would happen' but not the past several years. I did nothing to improve the gun. I think I changed how I hold the gun, but subconsciously, because I'm not really aware of how I do it. I suspect the old timers had no trouble either, for the most part, after they had time and practice with the gun.
I have and fire all the Authentic Colt Series. Proper caps all but elliminate cap jam problems for all of them. The specific manner in which an individual holds the pistol is how the point of aim/hit is determined. I have my experience where with ranged shooting, the point of hit moves to the left. I have a lot of books with historical accounts of individual shooting habits. Back then, their lives depended upon them. They learned how to point shoot and maintain them. Like a steam engine. A lot of work.
I believe as long as you have that shaved ring of led from loading the ball there is an extremely tight seal and no need for the lube. I'm not concerned with accuracy when shooting my 1858. I have never used lube and yet to have a chain fire. I don't see how a spark can jump back into the cylinder and get past the led ball.
This is a very good point. The best is when the ball is the perfect size where there is n o lead shaved from the ball. I ve been firing these since Colt brought them back (70s/80s) and I don t experience chain fire/capjam problems. One thing I do though is add several drops of oil to the loaded balls for fouling/lead slugging reduction. Colt recommended this back in the 1800s. I still fire them. I have all the Authentic Colts. I fire them all traditionally. Where the 'Communication of fire/Flashover/Doubleshotting ,.') can occur is from ill fitting caps!!! Colt back in the 1800s went through a lot to minimize this in the design of the arms. Ill fitting caps/worn cones (nipples) can really cause this to happen.
Surprised it didn't shoot high like many of them do.
I ream cylinder chambers .002 larger than the groove diameter on repros, much better accuracy and also better velocity as well!
Very thorough. Thanks.
Hello Great video, can I ask what lube you use?
Thanks , this is a Good video.
The real test is can you swap parts between them?
hello, the striae step is shorter in the Uberti, will it be because of the different type of powder ..? makes it more accurate ..?
Nice shooting, what are y using for grease?