Original Colt 1851 Navy vs Uberti repro
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Shooting an original 1851 Colt Navy revolver and comparing it to an Uberti reproduction. And an article with additional info:
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This guy should be a professional TV presenter, and not necessarily just for a gun programme. He has a polite and inoffensive demeanor , and the ladies would probable appreciate his looks too. He is also a good example to demonstrate to non-shooters that not all shooting enthusiasts are overly patriotic with itch trigger fingers.
All Magyars are good looking. - M. Salfai
I agree! Seems like a good fella, knows his stuff and would be a great shooting buddy!
I am 71 and I was presented a Uberti 1871 Navy 45 CAL. Conversion . This is a beautiful revolver and I watched the videos on them. I am truly stoked. I even got a $%. Colt loading die. I have researched all of the powders and loads for this old technology.
Have loaded lots of cartridges over the years and can hardly wait to try this beauty out. Had to watch the take down just to be sure I understand it. Loved it! :)
I think what I like best about your videos is your love of these old guns. Your enthusiasm is contagious, and that's why I keep coming back for more.
Very good video production. That is one well preserved 1851 colt original. Almost unbelievable. Silver plating still on back strap. The thing must have been in safe for a hundred years.
Hi, another great video capandball. I have just bought an Uberti signature .36 six and a half inch barreled colt and look forward to firing it, I often use your channel for pre purchase research and you save me lots of time and help me avoid pitfalls. Thank you.
Great video. The 1851 navy has a special place in my heart. It was the very first cap and ball revolver I learned about when I used to watch the tv show "young riders" in the early 1990's when I was 10-12 years old. It was about a group of pony express riders and all their shenanigans. I was obsessed with that show and watched it every week. During that time, I fell in love with cap and ball revolvers and specifically the '51 Navy. I asked my dad for one for Xmas one year, I believe 1991 and he got one for me. That started my cap and ball revolver enthusiasm. Good memories. Thanks for your channel, I thoroughly enjoy it!
In the US, very few shoot the originals, considering them collector's items and thus shooting them, many think, may deteriorate value. It is interesting to see a true original fired.
Always enjoy your videos.
I have to say that I also prefer shooting the repros. The originals I only use for science purposes,not for everyday practice. One exception is my Lorenz Jäger rifle, which is indestructible.
I am from an area where the 1851 Navy played an historical role.
Not far from where I used to live is where many feel to US Civil War really started, 1856, Oxford Township, where election fraud resulted in Free State/Slave State forces clashing. Contemporary accounts mention "Navy revolvers". Abolitionist, John Brown, carried a Navy, along with his artillery sword, as he fought those Kansans forcibly trying to make Kansas a slave state.
Later, in the post war period, "Wild Bill" Hickok, was around, sometimes assisting local police. A newspaper article from time notes Wild Bill placing 5 shots each in the "O's" of a saloon sign, while in the Kansas City chief of police's office 100 yards away. At that time Hickok carried 2 engraved Navy's, given to him by a railroad, I think, butt foreword, in a sash. BTW: Engraver misspelled Hickok on pistols, one of which has been long lost to history.
Keep up your enjoyable, well done videos. I really like to see the interests of gun enthusiasts in other countries, and your review of guns not common in US.
diasirea
A few years ago I had in my hand one of the "Kansas Colt Navy" revolver. It was from thes serial range that was shipped to John Brown. That revolver is owned by one of my friends. I think I will do a film about it.
***** I will be looking foreword to it!
+diasirea I prefer the repros for shooting. They are built to withstand more pressure and I don't have to worry about running them with hard loads.
Very nice, grazie. The 1851s shoot high because they were sighted for 75 yards. I love cap and ball. I have (all reproductions, and I' m jealous) a Walker, 2 navies-36 and 44, an army and a 62 police.
years ago i assembled a .44 colt reproduction from a CVA kit. my friends made fun of my gun until i shamed their modern weapons by shooting smaller groups off hand than they shot using two hands. granted, reloading was much slower than simply changing magazines but what do you expect. also they would run through a hundred dollars or so of ammo. while i might spend a few dollars for a long afternoon of shooting. no local public ranges allow bp shooting at present but i'm keeping my bp stuff anyway. keep the faith c&b!
I'd love to see a video comparing lubed wads vs grease(crisco) over the ball.
Yes 👍
Very nicely done.
Loaded with a light 28-grain load of black powder and a 140-grain round ball, the Old Army 44 revolver rivals a modern .38 Special. Loaded with an average powder load of 35 to 40 grains it rivals the modern 9mm and .45 ACP. Loaded with 45 and 50 grains it starts to approach the power of the .357 Magnum of similar bullet weight. The original Colt Walker was quite powerful, and modern replicas firing modern FFFg black powder can produce energy levels in excess of 500 foot-pounds (average 480 ft-lbs). The original design at maximum matched the minimum ballistics of the modern .357 Magnum JHP, and until 1929 it was regarded as the most powerful revolver available. Of course, this is too much powder. When done in the 19th century, several BP revolvers failed catastrophically. Almost 30 percent of the early Walkers issued to the military were returned due to rupture of the cylinders. Much of this may have been due to mishandling and overloading. Colt recommended no more than 50 grains of powder in each cylinder but 60 grains could be loaded under a well-seated bullet. A service gun like the 1860 Army used 30 grains of BP nominally, but the monstrous Walker was designed to hold 60 grains. The 140-grain spherical lead bullets (.451-454 caliber) could be pushed past 1,000 feet per second. The reader should not misapprehend the power of these early revolvers. In general, .36 caliber black powder revolvers with an 80 grain ball (185 ft-lbs) compare favorably to modern .380 ACP (200 ft-lbs) and .38 S&W Long (207 ft-lbs) hollow point cartridges of 125 grains because of the BP ball’s remarkable velocity (approximately 1000 fps), but they had about half the energy of the modern 9 mm (351 ft-lbs) of the same approximate diameter and mass moving at 1200 fps. See my book on Amazon: A Gentleman’s Guide to Style and Self-Defense in the Old American West
I have a Navy replica and indeed, they are Lovely historical guns! To shoot an original is a special experience you cannot truly explain. I have an 1829 69 cal. smooth bore military gun I restored. I know what you’re experiencing. Kind Thanks, Many Blessings and Happy Shooting! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Holy shit. I never realized repro parts could fit an original even in some cases
you are very lucky to have the chance to shoot such a piece of history. wonderful video, thanks for sharing.
i filed the left side of the front blade sight to bring the hits to the centre line. at 25 yards it (Uberti 1860 Army .44 cal) hits 10 inches high. At 100 yards it shoots to point of aim. yep. hits the gong when I hold it properly. i also use coconut oil on my oxbow wonder wads. The bore stays amazingly free of fouling. I get 36 shots before I have to do a rapid cleaning . Great fun.
Great video, really enjoyed seeing the old Colt 1851, I noticed that the rifling looked a lot deeper in the original,
Machining tech wasn't as advanced back then. The grooves are much deeper and wider.
I live 20 minutes away from the Hartford factory sadly it's not in use anymore
I payed a visit in 1979 and also in 1985. It was in full production both times. No one was left inside because of G.I. M16 production, but I was allowed to walk around at my leisure to enjoy looking at the original factory grounds including the workers homes and Sam Colt's own residence. The place reeks of history!
As always excellent info and video. Thank you for the great stuff you put out .
My 36cal. Uberti 1851 Navy I bought 4 years ago has a square back trigger guard. I was told that the square back guard was the original design then it went to rounded trigger guard. I also have a Kirst conversion cylinder for it that now shoots 38 colts that I reload with heeled bullets, which is one of those confusing calibers, 36 cal. rd. ball too a 38cal. heel bullet, yup that makes sense.
I carry a Piëtta reproduction of the 1851 Colt navy, the Sheriff model with a shorter barrel, .44 caliber, it is also remarkably accurate, though it shoots high at 20 metres. The reason is apparently that these revolvers are zeroed at 70 yards. I have not tried it at that distance yet.
Shot those all the time when I was younger. Black powder was lots of fun. In Maine lots of places to go don't need a range right out my backyard when people hear gun shots they would call and ask can I come over. If you get to the state's you will have great time places like Maine. Have fun 😁
My Uberti gave me years of good fun in brass frame
I know a little bit about the Italian replicas. The two things that stand out to me are the Uberti brand guns are superior to other replicas; and the the reason parts that are not all interchangeable with the Colts is the metric screws.
At 121k subscribers, this channel is very underrated.
Thanks
This was the best presentation that I have viewed of reproductions on the WWW
Love both. That repro is a beautiful gun!
I just found your channel, and, so far I like what I see! Subscribed.
I did a review on a Pietta Navy some time last year. Great pistol. About the only qualm is that the grip is a little more angular than the originals and other replicas. But it balances very well.
THANKS for sharing another fine firearm!
Nice presentation. I have all three pistols Navy, Army and 44 Walker what were offered by Colt back in 1995. Plus the 1861 .58 caliber Springfield rifle offered in the same year.
That's an excellent collection!
Thank you. They're keeper's to be sure.
SteelBustingBiker Sounds like 1995 was a good year for you!
4:50 the SFX of gun in many cowboy films is real !
Great video that still informs and is enjoyable even years later. I might get an 1851 Uberti to round out my collection of Civil War replica pistols. I have a conversion to 38 cartridges that matches the one in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", but I want one that shoots the original gun powder, now that I have tried cap and ball and love it. Watching your videos has made me a Black Powder addict!
Makes it even harder to resist here in the states since we can just get them mailed right to our door easy peasy. Still no permit or license of any kind required, even for the powder or primers.
It would be fascinating to know the history of the gun. Have you attempted to get a factory letter from Colt?
awesome. im so in love with the 51's. great video and article
The original is very, very, nice. That Uberti is beautiful though. Very tastefully done engraving. Cheers
Those are both beautiful guns.
Terrific and interesting video. Thanks.
The notch from causes more capsucking ,caps are deformed too far and fall off the original didn't have this problem as much. Also their caps were thicker with weaker charges.
the original appears to have more rifled barrel than the repro, i have a repro and the barrel looks the same as ur repro, cool video man
aslo my trigger is like a feather, apply any amount of pressure and it goes off, hope i dont sneeze loll
Thanks for an interesting video. They are all exceptional, but this one is likely to be my favorite.
Increadible comparison 👍
Beautiful!
I simply love those! They’re gorgeous!
Would tou check out the replica I built?
@capandball >>> Going by that paper target you were shooting at, I presume you recorded this in Australia.
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Excellent comparison. I often wonder how close my clones are to the originals.
Bring them back in time then, they'll think it's the same gun, but they would be confused at the markings of course.There are many minor technical differences though making it worth owning an original and comparing it to a replica.
Diktator Alexander “Why is Black Powder only stamped on it?” 😃
Cap & Ball may I suggests you do a review on conversion cylinders.
Man, I love that report sound! Sounds mean.
Another great video with two very beautiful guns. I have a suggestion for you. Do you think one day you could do a video on the Hall breech-loading rifle/musket. It was the first successful and reliable breech loading rifle. Designed by John Hancock Hall, patented in 1811 and officially adopted in 1819 by the U.S army. Only the British Ferguson rifle predates this gun as a breech-loader rifle, but was scraped because it cost to much to make and broke a lot. The Hall rifle was made in Harper's ferry in shops built for hall. Hall paved the way for manufacturing of weapons with interchangeable part, because one of this guns main goals was to have complete parts interchangeability with any of the other hall breech-loaders( one interesting side-effect came from this. When the breech was removed from the gun it could actually be fired like a pistol.) The gun was originally a flintlock but changed to percussion in 1864. While sometime original and reproduction rifles pop on gun auctions it is getting scarce. Maybe you could convince Pedersoli to do a reproduction. Best of luck with all of your other future videos.
I have a 1851 Colt Navy percussion revolver with serial numbers matching/equal in all the parts 76802 and has a Number 3 , the revolver is in good conditions and you can use it,
I want to know, what it worths!! I want to know an estimate. I you can help me, or anyone in here can, I will appreciate you help.
Thank you
I wish you would talk about what kind of presure loads your repro guns handle. I couldn't find any information about load and presure handling of your revolvers.
What model is the Uberti repro i couldn't understand it any time he said it
Also love the cartridge boxes I bought a set off eBay and they are amazing what charge would you recommend for the 1851 Navy as far as paper cartridges I roll them with standard thin hemp rolling paper with 20 grains of 777 fffg a lightly lubed wad and a .375 round ball for my Uberti 1851 Navy London in .36 Cal
Could you put a uberti cylinder and uberti barrel on an original colt frame and fire it?
Great video. A few questions: One, did you replace any or all of the springs in the antique before shooting it? I'm curious as to how 150-year-old leaf springs hold up, but I'd hate to be the one to test it! Two, what sort of caps did you use on the antique? The repros seem to be kind of finicky about caps, mine won't work with CCI caps at all. Third, why do you use a filler for your load rather than just seating the ball deeper?
I love these old piece's, good show ole boy -greetings from the US-
The grips on my Uberti were very fat and had waaaay too much flair at the bottom. The grips on the originals were thinner, and so I sanded mine down for a more vintage "feel."
hey their c&b i like the egg carton rest for adjustable hight. great review .i see you favor the original.
Where they paper cartridges or brass?
Does Uberti still offer this model 51' navy? I am looking into buying a 51' navy from Uberti and i really like the model in this video.
My Uberti Navy is the most astoundingly accurate pistol I own as well. =)
Fascinating video, thank you good sir!
Excellent, I will register as soon as I can ! Thanks !
Death rarely looks that beautiful..
What a video. Well done.
What happens when you load a repro 1851 navy colt without the lube in front of the bullet ?
Possibly a chain fire...
That’s what the lube is there to prevent
Very nice videos mate, you earnd my subscribe, greetings from Pécs ;)
:) Köszi! Jó lövészegyesületeitek vannak Pécsen!
I’m jealous. That is a sweet revolver.
Thank you for your videos. Do you have any English resources for shooting and caring for antique firearms? Will you please do a video concerning shooting, cleaning, and caring for antique firearms?
Adoro essas armas do velho oeste cada maquina maravilhosa adoraria ter um revolver desses
Wonder if modern day revolvers will still be in working in 160 years?
I can’t get over the tiny sights lol….how was this acceptable surely people complained ?
I've heard that the uberti navy replicas sometimes have the cylinders bored out slightly to large and that some people have to use a .380 round ball as opposed to .375. I just recently purchased one and hearing so many conflicting things I'm unsure which size ball to purchase or cast. What do you personally use for .36 caliber in general? Also have you noticed any differences in diameter of the cylinder bores on pietta vs uberti in the same caliber? I've heard things about that as well and don't currently have two to compare my self.
3riversrambler I heard the same thing. .375 for Pietta and .380 for Uberti. I wanted to buy a mold so I could start making balls before I even get the gun, but I think the only way to be sure you buy the right mold is to first buy a few balls of each size and try both. As long as it's a tight fit and ideally you shave off a ring of lead, it'll be tight enough.
Trey Delaplaine I have some .375 round balls but haven't yet shot my 51 navy by uberti. Waiting till I have REAL black powder lol. I sat one on the face of the cylinder bore and I'm unsure if it will actually slice off a ring or not. Looks kind of small. Guess I'll find out soon enough XD
I never understood why Uberti could not get the 1851 Navy's back trap profile correct.
For people screaming at this guy for shooting a gun full of history know this, everything is a tool and eventually a tool will break.
Did you have to modify the uberti to take the paper cartrages?
Hey can someone tell me the differences between the Navy, 1860 army, and Walker. please
What is with the thread type on the shaft,nothing screws onto it? drum just spins?
Is it me or is there something wrong with the story? The cab driver: the cilinder should turn left counter clock wise. So why is this. “ Colt’s cilinder driving clock wise then? Anyhoo I fucking want one!
Great video, Bravo!
I have a 1861 navy
are the grips on the Uberti 1851 & 1861 the same shape ? Are they the exact shape of the Colt SAA ? Thx
Excellent video, Will there be a comparison between the Remington 1858 New Army and its reproduction?
Yes of course. I'll have several of this type of video in the near future.
Wonderful gun.,and video. I will also be getting a '51 thanks in no small part to your videos.Cheers.
That is my carry revolver (a repro tho) when im on the farm
Ig if i was person target it'll always hit the heart.
Why don't you make vidoes of comparisons of Original cartridge conversions of colt and replicas of cartridge conversions ? I think this might be the only thing you di dnot make a video of at least of I know.
....QUERO UM DESSE
As colt sao mais bonita que as Brasileiras
I love watching your videos. Your English is very good & understandable. I may have missed this but how many yards or meters were you shooting? Keep up the excellent videos & thank you for your effort.
Very nice!
Are these legal to possess in Hungary without a licence? I'm Hungarian myself, but i grew up in Sweden. I'm not familiar with Hungarian gun laws. A few friends in Hungary wanted to go to the range this summer and i thought i'd bring my colt. Original gun, not a repro.
Yes they are over 18 years old. But you need a license for the powder and caps, which is pretty hard to get.
Damn, that sucks. Colt free summer for me then. Thanks, mate.
+ares9304 this guy in the vid' is hungatian too so why the hell aren't we talk hungarian????
Love revolvers i also have a original Colt revolver:-)
Sou apaixonada por armas, que pena que este documentário é inglês
What is the original barrel length?
is any diffrence in grouping once colt diss/assembled ?
Great video ! I tried to register on your Capandball.eu website but most of it is in Hungarian which I can't read. I clicked on the British flag but most of the form is still in Hungarian. Could you please include a registration form in English ? I love your videos and website !
John, it will be corrected soon.
Love your videos and the demonstration of an original colt Navy BUT given what you probably paid for that antique I'd be mighty afraid to shoot it and risk blowing up a big wad of cash!! Anyway if you're confident that it's safely shootable, well, why not shoot it?
very good.
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The article link is lost
Really enjoyed this video. I like short and to the point videos like this. I'll subscribe
And check out more cap and ball!
Cool