Limb Quality and Price Difference | What is the difference between a $700 recurve limb & a $100 set
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2020
- What do you get for your $750 on the latest limb? Are mid grade limbs a better value? When should you stick with the cheapest recurve limb available? In this video I cover what you get in a sub $100 limb, a $2-400 limb and the latest greatest limbs for over $750.
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I bought some WNS bamboo core Explorer limbs for 99 bucks. I have them on my Gillo G2. Just got into bare bow this year at 79. I sure have enjoyed it. About a 100 arrows just about every day. Really enjoy your channel , it has really helped me. Thank you.
Something else to keep in mind if you are looking at mid price point limbs for increasing draw weight or just to have decent materials in your limbs if you don’t have to have that certain brand sticker you can check out what lower tier brands the higher tier brands also manufacture. For instance win & win have several other brands they manufacture for and with a little research you can often find that some of the cheaper brand limbs are the former mid and top end limbs from the higher tier company rebadged and put out at a big discount just because they don’t have the big name badge on them.
It's the age old question: is it the guitar or the guitar player; the bike or the cyclist, the clubs or the golfer.....??? Well, as a crap guitarist I can tell that I can make a $4000 guitar sound just as crappy as the $400 one I have. And when I raced bikes (as an amateur) I saw plenty of people on VERY expensive bikes get dusted by people on hand me down wrecks. Sure, at the elite level having the up-market equipment can make a difference or can be justified. But even then, sometimes it's only because of build quality and it's ability to withstand day to day, month after month, year after year abuse. With regard to archery, a good archer would take my $120 limbs and kick my @ss regardless of what type of equipment I was allowed to use.
I'm only concentrating on form right now - I'm new to archery. I view my limbs like dumbbells. And if you ask any weightlifter they'll tell you it ain't just about being strong, you've got to have good form....especially when the weight increases.
For the newer people that come into open to the public, we work in form immediately to assure what & how they shoot is more on taget & enjoyable.😏
I love it how you are making so much great content
Thanks Jake. Your whole video project is terrific! Such much needed information from a true expert and champion. I am so hooked on your videos.
Designing my second bow right now. Thanks for confirming that today's mid-range priced parts are yesterday's top-shelf gear! - I am writing this right after Christmas '22 - there is so much gear marked down from just a week ago it's not even funny. Thank you also for posting this awesome content. This channel is such a rich resource!
If u want to try something out that's new in a mid-priced limb the Nika N3 limb is a solid choice. The people that have them r buying another set so they can shoot a different poundage for indoor or outdoor. I built some new shafts recently & they were expensive ➕️ they were a hair stiff on my limbs. The N3 fit on my riser was much better than the ones I took off & I didn't need adjust for tiller or brace height. My nock on my string was also right where I needed it. Just shooting all weekend to get used to the draw cycle that's smooth all the way. Sure glad they r time tested will many people that have them who r really impressed with the look & shootability.
Now I have to review my wishlist again ;)
Thanks for the insight!
great advice. There are some amazing deals out there too for the mid-range stuff.
Excellent, informative, and honest. Best archery teacher on UA-cam.
Very Talented! Very high attention to technical detail! Ver articulate! Certainly worth close attention to!
The one question that has always been so hard to find an answer to. Thank you 🙏 can you do one on arrows at some point please 😀
Love the content! Keep it up! What dampeners are on the aae rods in the background? Could you do a video on the different types of dampeners? Thanks!
Cool vids, just subscribed to your channel. Hoping to learn enough to get me going in barebow.
That’s interesting, thanks mate. Can you do the same on risers? It’d be very interesting to know What you think about cheap risers vs expensive ones.
Hi Jake. Awesome content.. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and techical details..been following you snce day 3 doing archery..I am now on 10 weeks🙈 did my basic and still busy with the advanced course because of all the rain over weekends in South Africa.
I ordered my first archery kit.. And bought the WNS FX motive 25" riser.and WNS Explore W1 limbs 68" 34lbs
Im 1.80m slim built. Would love to know if you think it was an ok buy! Thanks Carl
my Galaxy Gold Star's were the best choice for me. Did lots of reading of reviews and was happy w/ the sell price.
Hi Jake. In terms of effect on groupings at different distances, how much difference would there be between a the most expensive and the very cheapest limbs? I suspect high end limb manufacturers may not be too pleased but it would be really interesting to see the comparison of what you could shoot with each set. Thanks again for keeping the vids coming. Great work.
Could you also do a video speaking about the main differences between wood core and foam core limbs?. I think that it will be very interesting to know your thoughts about that. Thank you
Helped me a lot
I have been struggling to balance out cost and quality for students who come to me asking advice on what limbs to purchase. This was very helpful. Thank you.
Bottom level Uuhkas are your best bet.
Hi Jake, can you name some brands and models for mid grade limbs? Thanks and I love your content, it really helps me improve as an archer
Great video Jake! As I am a newbie, it would be really helpful if you could provide examples of brands for each of the grades of limbs to help me in my purchase decision. Thanks for the videos, I’m learning a lot!
Its not always the case! Iv bought a set of Hoyt Quattro limbs & they are stamped the wrong way up! ie top limb stiffer! Had them measured
its incredible how far down the prices went .
i am looking at a limb offer for 120$ its carbon foam limbs, no glasfibe no wod
or a pair of cross carbon / foam lims for just short of 200$
both from the biggest corean manufacturer( win&win) under the marketing name of kinetic.
the 200$ one is tec used just 3 years ago in the best of the best limbs for a 3rd of the price....
I would have like to hear a bit about the new limbs using graphene.
limbs... any why I've gut good stuff & bad stuff too instead of watching your video first & saving big..!
anyway you've gut a big fan & will try to contact you soon to become your online student as well.
thanks for your time & affords.
Had a set of starter limbs for a while, was looking to upgrade, but I’ve decided to stick with cheap’n’cheerfull (going up in poundage though) thanks to this video. I think I probably wouldn’t get any benefit from the latest n greatest tech anyway, simple because my form isn’t as refined as it could be. That being said, I can still dream of a nice matte carbon black finished set of Uukhas though! One day!
Many people that have the Uukhas have bought the Nika N3 limbs & r very happy with them 😊. The look & quality is top-notch & r a real nice piece of art with the Satin finish. I needed a slightly faster limb for a new & expensive arrow build. They r fast, smooth & quiet. Much better fit in my riser than my old limbs also.
Hey Jake I have a pse coyote 45lb recurve and one of the limbs delamination while shooting an arrow. I have reglued it and it still works fine however I was looking to replace them with a heavier poundage limb maybe to 55lb. Do you know where I can get replacements from as I have been to archery dealers and haven't had much success with them.
Unfortunately archery isn't a huge thing in my area so I don't have access to a class to learn. We do have an archery supply store though so that's a win. Closest range is 3 hours from me.
Modulation is the count of threads in the weave. High modulation means more smaller fibers.
Top of range and latest design might some time had design faults, There was this dark period that W&W released problematic designs like Syzergy limbs, Infinite and Expert riser, and their first generation honeycomb foam lamination. some of them didn't even make their way into the mid range after.
I would think it would be more stability with the heavy carbon maybe a trade off.
I don’t buy the best because I can’t afford it , I don’t think it would have improved my shooting anyway ! I look elsewhere for improvement , like me for instant, lots of room for improvement there and I’m free ! 😁 For the record , $500 to $600 for both riser and limbs is my limit , used is always a good option !
Hello Jake, I'm from Turkey. I'm having a hard time because there are no Turkish subtitles, but I use a few applications. Anyway, how to choose the lower limb hardness? There are not many resources in my country. I would appreciate it if you could help me. Your videos are very helpful. Thank you.
Hey Jake do you recommend the new AXIA limbs for 999€ or the older Velos for 660€? These are the prices in Italy
So I've got a Mandarin Duck Black Hunter takedown recurve bow. For a month and a half this spring I shot 45 pound limbs made of laminated bamboo. After shooting about 10,000 arrows I moved up to 55 pound replacement limbs, again made of laminated bamboo. They cost me $77.00. The first day at 55 pounds it was clearly more difficult but I'm now shooting 1000 arrows a week at 55 pounds. I'm no Olympic champion but I guarantee you that I am accurate enough to take a whitetail deer or a bear at 30 yards. Archery season opens on October 3rd where I live and runs almost two months. I plan to be out there until I can pack my 8 cubic foot chest freezer with venison. If I can do that with the tools I've got, there's no need for expensive limbs.
As with firearms/bullets, the arrow doesn't care once it's away and headed straight and fast.
Agree, and is why I said "I wouldn't buy the latest greatest"
I was hoping you'd touch on limb stability. I hear about it often, but not sure what it is or even if it's real or imagined. Is it vibration after the shot? Is it the ability of the limb to resists the lateral movement of the string? etc.
In "Fundamentals of the Design of Olympic Recurve Bows" by
Lieu, D.K. University of California, Berkeley (online in places as a free pdf) he mentions limbs as unstable till the limbs open up (are no longer recurved). You might check it out for his take. If you intentionally torque your string sideways when you draw you can see the limbs twist (which certainly is a form of instability that changes from one set to another). Also extremely recurved limbs (think Borders) would theoretically be unstable longer in the draw until the string has a direct path between the limb tips. In reality though so long as they open up at your draw length and don't close before the nock leaves the string there is and cannot be a problem (from that aspect of instability). Just my 2 cents (but maybe it takes a nickel these days)...
I agree, to add my penny’s worth. I’ve built a few traditional recurves and I reckon that to get the extreme recurved limbs of border archery which gives a more efficient draw/force curve, you really need high tech materials with better torsion resistance than fibreglass, or the ability to draw and release without applying any torsion to the limbs at all (apparently incorrect draw on historical horn and sinew recurved could turn the bow inside out)With fibreglass limbs I occasionally need to correct twist with a ‘normal’ degree of recurve. Just speculating here but if your release apples any torsion to the limbs they would continue to oscillate as the arrow is propelled inducing inconsistent flight.
Just bought Uukha VX+ high modulus XL limbs. Hopefully it'll be worth it.
I wanted to ask Jake what He thinks about Uukha limbs. I have the #40 Tuulai, which are entry level with %25 of carbon fiber and the top of the line are 100% carbon fiber. I saw a lot of barebow archers using Uukhas at regional tournaments in my contry and seems that they are becoming very popular at this discipline.
@@Buran01 Good thing about Uukha limbs is that they don't risk delamination like conventional limbs design. Also from my experience high end Uukha limbs like the VX+ have a let off kinda feel at the back end so when I shot it using a clicker getting through it was far more easier as it didn't stack like conventional limbs. As for the XX limbs that one is designed for people who prefer the feel of conventional limbs.
Luqman JW Totally agree! Super durable limbs in any condition. And with exceptional torsional stiffness for the XX limbs. Never saw that before. Greetz
You didn’t say much about what performance aspects are better except for speed. Also what about durability deference.
A lot was talked about materials, and marketing, but as far as I could tell, the only advantage of expensive limbs are that you get the same arrow speed with a slightly lower draw weight due to the high modulus carbon. I have only just started archery (at 66 yrs) and bought a complete recurve for £63 including riser! I suppose that would be considered ultra budget. But to my limited shooting experience (8 metres to hit the boss), it feels great.
so basically it makes no difference to most archers, i go for a mid range limb, and there is no need for expensive limbs, just look for build quality, then it is up to you, and your form. things that do change and make a difference are flights for your arrows, i recently changed my blazer flights to a lower profile flight and they are much better as they miss the shelf completely and give a smoother release and are better in the wind.
As with everything you purchase there are exceptions to the rule "you get what you pay for". Granted they are far and few between but they are out there waiting to be discovered.
I've been doing all kinds of outdoor recreational sports my whole life everything from fishing to bow hunting and everything in between. And as far as archery goes the only real good deal that broke that rule of " you get what you pay for".
At least for me was the Tradtech Black Max 2.0 carbon/wood recurve limbs and the recently discontinued Tradtech Black Max longbow limbs. And I hope Tradtech comes out with new longbow limbs soon I have a suspicion that the manufacturer they had manufacture their longbow limbs ended the contract once they went under new ownership and that's why they're discontinued.
I recently bought some WNS Motive C5 30# carbon and foam ILF limbs to replace my Cartel Fantom 24# beginner limbs. These are going to be transition limbs so I didn't want to spend a lot but wanted some foam limbs and the C5's fit the bill. Haven't had them long and still getting used to the heavy weight but they are a lot better than the previous limbs. My scores aren't quite back to my best but just about there.
Replace wns elite..motive C5 was best for intermediate, i had motive foam core..was nice limb, im not have a lots money spend for high end carbon limbs, i use samick impress carbon woodcore, that fast limb n accurate, nika cornerstone full carbon, nika was great also, n GK techno carbon foam..but the best n smooth no stacking, was wns explore carbon bamboo core..im love it..
How do you like them now that youve had them a while?
@@brucehernsdorf4342 I haven't shot them for about 2 years now, I only shot them for about a year and I've since moved to 38# Uukha SX50's. That was the plan, C5's were just transition limbs to move up weight. I did really like the C5's though, I still think they were great value for money.
What is the cost in Indian currency
It's a shame that many states limit their archery deer hunts to 40lb. draw weight and above. I think that factor is one reason people tend to have limbs too heavy for their skill level and conditioning. Most people don't want to invest in the bow or limbs they aren't going to hunt with and have a hard time putting cheap limbs on the bow they invest in for hunting, so they end up fighting 40+lbs thinking it will condition them for what for many is the bows primary purpose.
I would argue the reason people are over bowed is more ignorance and/or pride than state legislature
I looked @ buying my 1st ILF a few months ago. I had a custom 62" takedown for years. I decided to limit my search to a 19" riser so I could just buy a medium length limb which gave me more wiggle room for making adjustments. All the bows that were a complete hunting bow setup might give u a bow but it's not ideal if u aren't happy with the performance it gives u & money thrown away when u need to start all over a year later.
My original set of limbs weren't a good fit. In fact putting them on & taking them off was a real chore. ➕️ they didn't deliver enough energy for my new arrow build. I then got a set of medium length Carbon/Glass Monolith limbs from Nika. The N3 model medium is made for a 68" bow so I ordered a slightly lower limb since the AMO length on my riser with these limbs would give me the right amount of energy for the arrows. The limbs r just excellent & so is the fit onto the riser. I would rather have another set of these limbs later to put on than ever going back to my original limbs. 😆
What set you recommend about 1000$ range ? 27” raised and shorter libs ?
Hey, two years later now. Did you end up making a purchase? If so, do you have any recommendations of your own?
I'm not looking to buy, just curious.
so there are no quality difference ? its just different customers that can pay more or less ?
can i get ifl longbow limbs? all i see are recurve
They do exist not sure who makes them.
I practice with HOYT carbon 720 limbs at 28 pounds and with SF Premium at 32 pounds and I want to make the jump to HOYT Carbon Integra (that fit my budget) at 40-42 pounds.
What brand of cheap limbs could you recommend to me to make the correct transition from 32 to 42 pounds?
Wns limbs will be great for that transition, FYI, Wns is sub product of Win and Win
zul amer thank you very much, about 36 or 38 pounds would be fine?
I'd go with 36 lbs limbs but when picking the limbs I prefer a wood one over a foam one. I found that a wood one will feel softer to pull than a foam one but that's just my preference in feel.
It comes to a point your just being ripped off. I worked in a place that would change nothing but the labels and that's the difference between 100's of dollars.
What is cost of HOyt bow
Thanks for not saying cheap a@@ limbs…😀
This is a business lesson. Has nothing to do with limb performance
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ALOT OF TALK, BUT NOT ALOT OF DETAILS TO OFFER ABOUT THE MID RANGE.
Real trad bows are made of wood from a single stave
Dear jake with all due respect you could edit or trim your talk by two thirds . You go around in circles and repeating yourself. Anyways That’s how I see it.
James, thanks for the feedback. Check out more recent videos, this one is almost a year old and my editing and speaking has gotten better over time.