Unbeatable "Troll" Strategy?
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
- In a previous video I highlighted this strategy which seems pretty unbeatable when it gets going. This time MbL attempts it vs a top 100 player who very much knew how to adapt throughout the madness. What are your thoughts? Check out the previous video for context - • The "New" Town Center ...
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Changed title to “unbeatable troll strategy” because I don’t think this will be tournament meta anytime soon 😂 (Unless your name is Jupe or Rubenstock lol!)
ah i was wondering 😅
Best way to beat this strat, play as persians
... or Lyx
Well he clearly is worse player macro and micro wise. The strategic mistakes were ofc bad tower on berries (in range of tc and unwalled fully) if he had it one tile further away and walled..
Towering mbl woodline is absolute net loss. Since he used more then one will to do that, and all it did was force mbl to spend wood for new lumber camp+very small idle time... there is plenty of free wood.
He should have palisade walled/house walled his pond. Having one secure pond would do wonders for him. And just scouts or archers depending if he has access to gold to counter parts of the map where mbl TC isn't.
sooo. here's a thought. What happens when the Persian tc rushes you and you keep making vils while sending a team of vils to the original Persian base to place your own town center either on the gold, water, or berries? The Persian would be statistically behind you due to the need to keep villagers in the tc idle to break your original tc. while you just kinda swap original resource piles. You would gain initiative with knowing what resources you want to contest.
T90: "Unbeatable strategy!"
T90 30 seconds in: "It doesn't always work."
Clickbaited.
There is a ? mark at the end, not a ! mark.
You can get easily clickbaited if you can't read though... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@oki7716 I JUST WON 10 MILLION DOLLARS ???
Its unecessary crap title question mark or not
@@sc4r214 I think everybody has a filter, namely his/her brain.
If you don't want to watch videos with titles of the same pattern you just don't.
But complaining afterwards won't solve your problem.
It's an unbeatable strategy if it succeeds.
60% of the time it works every time!
12:02 the original intro for aoe2 was 2 kings playing chess and seeing the 3D battle as well
well you can argue real life strategy games have similarities to chess.
@Dominus Umbrae wow you're a fast one, aren't you. smh
One does not simply lame MBL.
Seriously. It will end in you having a bad time.
T90 at 3:15: “I watch AOE2 games for the plot.”
And I watch it for that sweet XXXX action.
Blue's eagle saw the forward vills, he couldve stopped it.
nah his eagle was weak at that time. Mbl had plenty of vills to take it out
@@tjakaiti7167 Single eagle couldn't have stopped it anyway. The only way to stop it at this point is to build a tower as blue did and spam palisade walls around your TC.
he thought it would be some towers thats why he defended with just a tower
@@lordmetzgermeister He had enough time to build houses in the perfect spots, didn't he? He didn't realize that many vills was a feudal age douche.. one tower in a good spot defended by TC and this strat wouldn't work..
@@mauer1 when being forwarded by Persian villagers never assume it'll just be a tower
I like when they do naughty things to their opponents lol
Imo blue did everything right, but his execution was off. Little instances like his the first tower, not walling all towers completely etc was what lost him the game. Goes back to what T90 is always saying about the top players, little things can swing games
This is what I came to the comment section to look for. Blue was just always making small mistakes. He would have been in the better position had he of put more initial military in each lake. Why did he assume he was the only one in the right lake?
The fact he didnt just make farms to back up his eco and go to castle age asap was also a big reason he lost. His TC was protected so there was no excuse why he couldnt have tried to get a lot more food instead of relying purely on the Ponds which will always be under pressure.
Yes. He really needed to commit more to pond control when that was his only source of food. After losing the left pond and failing to defend against MbL's trush, he had 2 on food and none on gold. Not even market abuse can save that eco.
@@llamasaylol didn't patrol too in the south lake
@@Boethion i dont think thats true either. If you let your opponents get the ponds freely, youll be behind significantly in eco. Whats Castle going to do? knights, mangonels?
When myrina spot the vills moving forward why he don t place random palisade walls to deny th space to build the TC ?
Must not have spotted it. I thought it was obvious at 5:25 as well, but T90 didn't see it either.
Most likely he didn't expect a TC drop this far in the game
@@rogerwilco2 There's a reason why t90Blind exists as an emote though. That was right there in the open and caster was casting too much.
@pranav Is fine maybe, but at least to me if I see Persian villagers go forward I immediately assume the Douche. While any civ can theoretically go tower rushing, Persians are not on top of Koreans, Spanish, or Incas.
@pranav Is fine It's a build order that still involves the Douche, which is what makes mbl's usage of it so great here. In multiplayer games, you can see even top 20 players even struggle against TC drops like from against Rubenstock or Jupe even when they see it coming. If mbl works more on this as a proper build order that simply involves the drop rather than centers around it, then it could be a viable strategy in tournament.
After all, no one thought that Inca villager rushing would be a legitimate tournament-level build order.
The game was amazing but your commentary was particularly accurate and analytical. Really, this is one of the most instructive games I've seen, at least on the grand-vision, overall-strategy side.
Thanks a lot for that much UA-cam only content! I'm really digging this.
I think the initial reaction was amazing from him. tower his / your old berries (didnt wall, lost tower - opponent got recources back), Dock his pond, place defensive tower.
Disrupt him with towers, im not sure i like towers on the woodline. Theres enough wood, and its -at best slowing down your opponent. But the tower at the end is going to be a net loss. If you manage to tower his golds, youre disrupting fire galleys and his advance to the next age. Also Gold is easier to deny, as he cant move.
However, i think you really need to wall your pond right away or wall another pond if that one has failed. if you have one uncontested pond it should be enough to get you to castle economically.
You might have 2 options from here. Either go into archer agressively, to disrupt even more economy, or focus on a fast castle age into siege / archer.
you dont want to overcommit on feudal
"Unbeatable" --> in video title
First 30 seconds: "it doesn't always work"
*Well yes, but actually no.*
It depends
10% of the time it works every time
It's unbeatable when it works.
i would have deleted MY towncenter and then building it on his base.
Great video! The fascinating thing is if you look at the mini-map at the end of the video there is no blue ANYWHERE without red immediately adjacent. The difficulty is that Blue is trying to set up protected eco away from the fronts like normal... but since Persian eco buildings (TC's and docks) ARE military buildings - since they have a huge military advantage over their counterparts - Red is setting up eco at EVERY front. Wherever Blue goes, Red sets up shop and produces eco and military right on the spot.
I have no idea what the counter to this is, but it looks like the standard concepts of 'grab and hold' territory and counter-towers won't work. Maybe the answer when you see a Persian opponent is to preemptively spread out? Send two vils to multiple woodlines and set up eco and forward barracks and just embrace this messy "Fight Everywhere" reality. Clearly you can't fight Persians on their terms, building v. building, and if you tower 'their' resources they just relocate...
The question then might not be, "How do you fight Persians?" but rather "How do I best use MY civ to engage everywhere?"
I would LOVE to see MBL try these shenanigans against a player who is truly down with messy like Daut (that daredevil clip was amazing btw!) or Hera...
"Unbeatable Strategy?" first 30 seconds @T90 says, "Playing against a top 50 player, highest player I've seen him try it against, well actually succede against. It doesn't work every time." Well then clearly it is not unbeatable. Now I'm not trying to critisize T90, I just found it amusing XD
Liked because of the not criticizing t90
It is all part of the strategy. First he uses the pro youtuber move (clickbait title) and then he uses his pro streamer abilities to sabotage his own video so you stop watching youtube and go to twitch
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Its called an hyperbole.
I'd like to see MBL doing this against Viper, so we can see how do deal with it properly lol
T90: This strategy is unbeatable
Fatslob: Hold my beer
Fatslob does not play 4 lakes
@@DanielSultana I know my dude, but if Fatslob *did* play 4 lakes...
What I'm suggesting is - Mbl couldnt send the boys in to TC drop if there was sufficient walling.
Just spit balling tbh
because of your low elo legends I decided to play my 1st rank game. I couldn't beat the bots on hardest, but i tried to play a rank game and it was super fun and even i won :D
FATSLOB has the true unbeatable strategy
Since this strategy is optimal for Persians and is about Tc drop in feudal age and not dark age maybe there's sufficient time to predict that the opponent may be going for it and cover all the areas near your TC. Also blue here used his scout to lure MBL's boar and it was low so he couldn't use it much to get intel about what MBL was going for.
That first counter tower on MBLS woodline was great and the forward Dock.
1. When against persians invest in an outpost so you see him coming.
2. When you see his vills start building houses/pallisades to prevent an 4x4 area from existing, so he can't get the foundation going.
3. Petition Microsoft to remove building armor during construction. That way you can just shoot the thing down.
The counter to this is to realize your opponent is going Persians, and to spend some wood to house or palisade around the front of your TC. Probably do this when you go up to Feudal. At that point the opponent is invested in the forward, and any extra time they give you will put you ahead. Blue saw the forward coming, and didn't do anything to counter it before MBL started building it.
Accept your base is lost, and focus on crippleing the persians base by building defence towers and 1 stack wood walls so the rush cant be repeated.
Perhaps even in the original base of the opponent.
1 stack wood walls could have prevented the rush in the first place, and it is hardly a surprise that it might happen when playing against persians.
You might even surprise any semi low elo player who didn't do a proper scouting before the rush ;)
Honestly, I think it is the skill difference not necessary the strategy, cause MBL and multitask way more efficiently and make fishing ships and fight on water while working on land but blue can not keep up with the pace.
I agree with this, I think the TC drop didn't cause the subsequent better performance by MBL. After the dust has settled, they've both lost a TC and had to use the same resources to build a new one, and they've both lost the same villager production time while building their new TC. So they're basically even after that exchange. MBL wins the battle for the water after that because he is a better player with a faster rate of working in the game.
@@breeminator Yeah, if MBL chose other strategy, the game will end even early, to prove this actually works, you need the opponent to be top 20 at least.
Awesome strat! :P. I love that the meta can break even after 20 years.
Maybe blue shouldn't have gone so heavy on stone and tower mbl's initial base but instead go to all the ponds initially for extra food eco and produce some scouts to kill mbl initial base.
But then again, I'm not nearly as good as these guys :P.
Good point about spending villager time on stone and wood! I think that's maybe what a real PRO player would do. Spend time and resources on something else. But then you need a comparable to MBL's micro to outmatch the player like him in order to fight over the ponds while still maintaining land control.
6:04 "I'm not sure if he saw the vills or what."
5:24 Blue's eagle casually strolls along with MB's vills.
Blue should have built palisade walls all around his TC. I know this, because I'm an AoE2 expert. You can hire me for teaching AoE2.
I thought you were saying "fish'n chips" instead of'fishing ships'.
John Coltrane's "Equinox" syncs up well with T90's casting. The way he speaks is like jazz.
Reminded me a little of Dan Patrick
Blue can just completely prevent the TC from being built after he scouts the enemy vills by just blocking some tiles near his TC. Still, even after mbl got the TC up he seemed to be a little bit ahead. He had so much wood floating around, he could have secured the other ponds or built a market to help with the villager production.
I watched Viper being dush, and he resolved the situation, waiting, as always Viper Style. So, he waited, and waited, and waited. Finally, his TC went down, and rebuild it somewhere else and did only eco. Then he reached Castle Age and made a come back. Two things was different, that was a TG and was in Arabia, so, i don't know how that way works on Four Likes 1v1.
Well yeah, Arabia has no fish economy.
Fishing is too good.
Especially because you can add more earlier.
you can have 8 docks building fish eco in feudal while having just one tc for villager.
Also they collect faster I think.
So double the goods.
20:50 To answer your question: Blue should have gone back in time and pick Persians for this game xD
This strategy is so powerful, I tried it out on the AI and I was able to beat Hard AI on my 1st try, Hardest AI on my 1st try, and then Extreme AI on my 2nd try. I've never beaten the AI on anything above Moderate before.
Edit: In the video he says that you can only do the trick with Persians, but I found it works even better with Cumans because you can get a second town center in feudal age and you can keep your home economy going while you trash their base.
Wall already in dark age, prob double, one pond too. Furthermore try to send at least 2 to stone a d save for a castle or emergency tower. Build houses and other buildings near your tc. Furthermore go feudal aggression or fc and try to pressure mainly on his vills.
I think you need to let the TC go up and immediately full migrate back to your enemies base where their taking wood and stone. Do exactly what blue did here with the towers but instead of rebuilding a tc at where the persian player dropped theirs on you, literally grab every vill except a couple on wood/stone(so leave like 4 on wood, 2 on stone or something) grab every other vill and immediately go to the enemy base, tower important resources and vill fight whatever is there(most people leave like 6-8 at home when douching), assuming you have numbers; you should be able to lay a tc at your opponents base, have towers that previously denied his woodlines/resources protecting yours, you'll likely have 1 pond back where your old base is left at least for a while, and then since your TC and economy is at the persians player old TC spot, you can go 2 dock water pressure on his starting pond, which then leaves you 2 v 2 ponds and relatively decent economy to try to boom with. In essence; a base and pond swap. A total migration and reversal of starting locations. Yes you will likely still be down some economy, but at least your relatively safe with all the resources you need. This would at least make the game far closer.
Edit: You could possibly try to lame your own resources as-well when migrating to the persians player base, wall in your resources, tower them if your floating res at that point; anything you can do to slow down the persian boom slightly so that economy disadvantage you have when doing a full map migration can be caught up as much as possible.
It sounds crazy to lame your own starting resources, but if your against this strategy, I think you need to try to do it if you can.
Edit 2: I am Rsgoldtime by the way, Hallo :D.
So, maybe a good strategy is to build your houses and other buildings in locations that would prevent a TC drop to be within range of your TC
1 thing blue tried to do but failed was walling in his pond and dock. Considering that was a fail I would think farms to be better because they are easier to protect. The other is that I still don't see a market. Don't go for blacksmith get market first so you can use it to battle scarcity and to potentially click up to the next age, especially if you have stone. That's it. Everything else is perfect. Even better than my theory, because it was weak to towers on resources.
Blue countered it ok-ish, the problem is he was against a top5 player he had very little chance of winning against in the first place who practiced the strategy beforehand.
As you said, the lack of food really hurt him. His pond was quite far away from his new TC and MBL's TC was closer to it, so the moment he saw MBL trying to dock it was the deciding one. Blue should've either denied all docks there, or switched to the northern pond with 2 docks/farm eco ASAP. Blue tried the minimal viable defense (1 galley, 2 vils) and paid for it by losing the pond.
Another thing was, Blue's vills building towers in MBL's first base was a wasted effort. The dock there was fine, but towers are only useful when you corner someone so they can't take that resource anywhere else. MBL at that point didn't really need stone, his food eco was all on water across the 4 ponds, his main gold was mostly secure and never towered, and half of his wood eco was at blue's base while the other half could've been easily relocated to any other woodline on the map. The resources/time invested in the offensive towers would've been better spent on eco, securing his own resources, securing ponds or making something capable of killing MBL's vills. The archers at the very end were a good idea, but they were something like 15 minutes too late. One archery range and 5 archers instead of the towers could've easily killed multiple undefended villagers (of which there were still 11 there). Blue collected over 2k stone and used up almost 1800 of it, most of which maybe delayed a few of MBL's vills for a couple seconds.
This channel is like clash with ash for clash royale. Any new strategy or deck that gets uploaded on the channel you end up meeting those decks everywhere.
Y’all know If this happened to mbl on ranked he would cry about it for 30 min lol
Blue did see the forward and was probably trying to take the theoretical advantage and did tower mbl at his base. having wood at his new TC saved mbl, he had 20 on wood and had no problem dropping all those docks. blue had secured his own stone and gold so i think he should have let mbl have the ponds initially and tried to go faster to castle age with farm eco. Maybe adding few eagles along with the towers on MbL's base to clear that up completely. Usually the player who goes to farms first is the one getting to castle age first. Then he could've taken back the ponds with fire ships and castle drop on MbL's TC. Even if MbL reaches to castle age and is able to place multiple TCs elsewhere, blue would have the ponds and his main gold back and should try to take MbL's main base with military playing it just 1 or 2 TCs going forward.
In the previous game mbl's opponent reacted suprisingly poorly, but this time blue's approach was really decent, even hard to criticise him. The main thing would be not spamming palisades around tc as he spotted mbl's vills going forward in dark age - it was too many for a tower rush
that would not have made much of a difference imo. the tc drop in this game did ultimatly fail to do any signifcent (a tc for a tc and lot of idle time is not worth it) damge to blue so the defence there was fine. what went wrong however was that blue did not protect he pund well enorgth. he didn't wall it. He also went for towers wich didn't do any significent damge eather. Maybe forced a new lumber camp and alike but that is it. He needed land units such as archers.
He sees it coming, all he had to do is build 5-6 separate palisade walls around his TC to keep the Persian TC far enough away to not do damage. He has 3 straggler trees blocking, and the houses and mill could as well.
Last video before I go to sleep
You said it doesn't always work, can you cast a game where it fails?
there was a recent game with viper, 4v4 i suppose?!, where viper gets rushed and defends. he even says, at top level this tactic wont work
@@BuGGyBoBerl i have seen that, this is a completely different scenario to the one viper was in
i do know a player is unlikely to run this in a big tournament, but it will still be interesting to see where this strategy goes wrong
Once some player did TC drop to me in dark age. The only problem was that I had the Persians and not him. So in that case, it didn't quite work out for him :D
@@Crushnaut yeah would be great to see. however it wasnt thaaaat different. no pond fighting sure, a brief scout intervention of other players, but mostly it was a straight 1v1 in the beginning
@@BuGGyBoBerl the intent and execution were different. Viper and was it vivi both knew that they had a team behind them. That would have played out differently without a team. The fish completely changes the strategy for mbl. In a TC rush food can be tricky. Having safe fish eco changes the dynamic.
I guess, as soon as you see your opponent has Persians, start polka dotting your base with walls. Not full walling, but just enough to prevent their TC from going up.
Some (quick-)walling to slow down the incoming douche might have helped, as TheViper showed a few days ago. Also, blue was generally too late at the ponds because he set the wrong priorities. Pond/food control should probably have taken more priority over tower wars/resource denial as you're at a disadvantage with towers/tc's to begin with.
In the legend of rubenstock, the opponent tried to stop him by putting up pieces of palisade around the TC, to prevent him from building it in the first place.
Just a simple suggestion, but i've no idea. I just enjoy your content
I was just in a 3v3 and the other team all did the TC 'troll' strategy, I really hate it and it's hard to recover if you haven't encountered before. This is gaining more visibility
Yes, T90, I do remember that upload.
Edit: Cause now I have watched it... ;D
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the second blue saw vills going forward he should have recalled most of his vills to his tc and vil war him to prevent the tc from going up, he can afford to lose vills because his opponent isnt producing, it is micro intensive but it works if you have higher vill numbers, if he denies that tc with vill war its instant GG
I think that, as you said, the only error of blue was wait for mbl to move in order to react.
In this cases, i think that the way to go is just make the investment of the enemy not worth it. Mbl is using a lot of his recourses in order to private blue from his ones. If red is success, blue must to recover while mbl is still gathering more. If blue had taken more care about his income than the incom of mbl, he had had the edge becouse every single investemnt from red would had been a lost.
Instead, every move from mbl was worth it and most of blue ones were not
5:25 should have noticed the villagers, and then built a few things at home to defend against having a TC location available in range of blue's TC.
Idea for a fun age game to host/cast for the pro scene. You could call it the ultimate micro game, it’s a team based battle where your team is all in control of one player color or slot, versus a equal number or players in control of one slot/color. Or perhaps you could do two or three players working together as one slot against just the viper and see if three coordinated minds can beat him.
Maybe dock the ponds and hold them, build towers around the finished TC and then go scouts with your fishing eco to finish his economy at home.
That eagle scout saw the villagers coming from the very start 5:10
maybe try to early dock your other pond, expecting the pond rush. Then go to stone for protective towers and try to fc + base switch?
Health bonuses should probably be staggered.
200% in Imperial age.
150% in Castle age.
125% in Feudal age.
If you can fit 10 galleons across a body of water, that's a lake not a pond.
This is very much like the board game of Go.
A TC drop is very comparable to a 3 3 invasion in the opponents corner
The Viper defeated this a few days ago in a 4v4.
Alright let's get countering, since you asked.
Before anything, the Strat is pretty good in that you cant simply try to one-trick solution it, no matter what happens if a player with less skill tries to overcome this purely with a better strategy, they will still lose to being overwealmed by having too many things to do. So it's pretty good, but it doesn't seem unbeatable to me, the attacker suffers more losses than gains over the course of the attack.
First: Reality check. You don't fall behind in eco when you rebuild the town center, well, not as much as the attacker. You do fall behind, but the TC rusher has to pay the same price 5:54. The TC rusher has a bit of an advantage in that he can time his TC rebuild immediately after finishing a worker. The loss can be remedied and even improved into an advantage by 2 things, Firstly, when your TC gets low, it would be worth spending a tiny bit of resources to make sure "it dies at a good time", immediately after finishing a worker/loom, etc. It's harder for you, sure, but you can also actually gain an advantage when rebuilding your town center compared to the opponent - When you build yours, you have more villagers available. The more villagers, the less eco loss. In the above video, MBL built his TC with 10-11 workers 5:58 , But blue built his TC with 5 workers 7:54 . This means blue has a greater down time on his TC, thus loses production. You should be able to build back your TC faster, since you have more villagers available. Persians may still be ahead because of the persian vil production boost. But they'd have that anyway, regardless of TC rushing or not
The Tower to defend your new TC + new woodline spot is unfortunately essential, as you have said, you will get villager rushed without it. This is the only tower (and extra stone) you need. However, when you build it back, you should be able to have more villagers than blue did because...
Attacking with a tower is a waste of time without ground military to support it, the TC rusher will move his lumber camp away from the tower, just like MBL did, it's cheaper to build that lumber camp than it took to build the tower, so its a net gain for the opponent, not to mention the walk time to get to the opponents eco. If you have military, you could zone poorly defended areas, but you don't, so it's not worth it
The walk time is especially notable, since the TC rusher has spent soo much resources walking over his TC builders (they aren't working), that's where you gain an instant large eco advantage, in addition to the time villagers have spent firing arrows from TC
The next step is to build a scout camp or archery range. Most likely an archery range, since your opponent is relying on walls to defend his skeleton economy at home, and you can effectively reduce the amount of area the new TC protects with range. It's probably best to build this near your new TC simply because you can guarantee it goes up and costs less. Your opponent can match this with his own archers/scouts, but he should have less eco, as shown by above reasons, in addition, he had to idle 1/3 of his economy to shoot down your TC. - You do have to try to win.
As for your dock. You do want to try to block of the villager with walls, but you shouldn't give it up 'simply because the villager got in'. Once a dock has finished, you should be going fire galleys. In such a small area, you won't get enough galleys to beat fire galleys From there, it plays like most standard water, try not to get demo'd, and you should win from having bigger numbers, you can always build more docks to match the opponent, etc. fishing ships loses are massive resource losses when you can simply match the opponent's ships, resource for resource, and not lose anything.
You can try for the second pond, treating it the same as standard play for water from that point on. If the TC rusher pushes you off gold, remember that he doesnt have military, and there's no way for him to successfully push you off neutral gold, for similar reasons to why you can't push him off wood.
The rest should play out more standardly, you should have a large resource advantage, but your opponent (the TC rusher), should have a bit better map control owing to pushing you off your starting TC
I think it is really important to take control of the ponds. So i think controlling that would have helped him.
Tried it in 2 games, won both games. Third time dude beat my TC rush by deleting his own TC immediately as soon as I started building mine and rebuilding his a few squares away XD
He must also watch your videos because he knew what was coming XD
Moving vills around is a risk. Go hard on the vills with units, prevent the buildings going up then wall / use your own navy once they begin to dock
Hey T90, can I use a few snippets of this and other videos of yours for a AoE-Music-Video?
It seems that MBLs opponent here was using some kind of map hack or stream sniping. MBL showed some pretty compelling evidence for it on his livestream. He went to stone and built the tower before scouting MBLs forward vills, and on his stream you can see his mouse stops moving at some points, indicating that he alt-tabbed into something.
And yet he still screwed up his ECO and let MBL TC drop him, so he must really suck to lose while stream sniping.
Has anybody tried or seen a feudal TC drop with Cumans? On the one hand it does take longer to build and it doesn't have the extra Persian HP, but then you can still have your original TC working all the time.
Maybe he should've abandoned that area altogether and move it to the north side. Or maybe put 4 outposts in the corners of your base.
We haven't see the immediate archers approach, instead of the towers. I would like to see how that fairs. Maybe patrol the pond with an archer to prevent docking/harrassment. Still, trying to do all of this through the initial shock and mess to follow is more than difficult.
Cant find anything really wrong with what blue did other than the initial tower when MBLs tc was going up.
when u see the tc coming down, cancel villager production and research wheelbarrow while moving ur vils to an unoccuppied area on the map
just as their tc finishes delete your tc and start building a new one at the unoccupied area, then continue
unless its mbl rushing you most lower bracket players will prob be at a loss of what to do as they just invested most of their resources in this rush and would prob quit
Ideas:
1. pick Persians as well; or
2. move TC if this is done to you
(I don't play AOE.)
Wouldn't Cumans be a good counter? You could just start building the "second" TC as soon as you see the TC drop and be fine
I think the best thing about this strategy is that MBL is able to get control of all 4 of the ponds, which is hard to pull off but it helps him gain a huge advantage. I don't think any other strategy is as good at getting control of the ponds.
Persians are OP full stop. They get so many bonuses and things that help them. It saying they should be nerfed but other weaker civs should get some buffs.
I really like all your videos T90 and don't take this the wrong way, but I'm disappointed that in an awesome game like this you barely never said ''red'' but MBL instead, but the for the most of us unknown player who is doing really well gets called ''blue'' most of the time. Give the man some credit for being so high up the ladder and use his name :)
The blue player is a smurf account and changes his name weekly. This is why I didn't call him by an "identity" and rather used his color instead, to not bring attention to that fact.
@@T90Official 1) can you upload an example of when it failed?
2) who is the account a Smurf of?
@@T90Official Thanks for clearing that up :) I understand it now. I shouldn't have questioned ur proffecionality as always.
Kai played incredibly well. I do think there were out micros by MBL though.
I am not a AoE player but it seems to me the advantage is twofold. The docks obvs but the TC denies and steals eco. So instead of rebuilding your TC at your base, you rebuild at their base and steal their eco.
Persian TC and Dock HP bonus could be reduced to 1.5x. It's still a lot and you can still win douches more or less reliably, without being so overpowered.
Would Cumans be good against that? with additional tc/rams in feudal? would be interesting to see
Probably going with Bulgarians and Drush/M@A the TC drop. Bulgarians might not be a Persian counter but maybe a MbL counter.
Maybe wall the enemie's TC? Once he drop it build palisades, houses, etc and don't let his villagers go out.
You could probably rebuild your TC in your opponents base to deny his eco over there then get control over his pond and basically do a base swap
When on this map, build houses and maybe palisades around your TC in such a way that there is no valid placement options for enemy TC within range of your own. Might make farming awkward later but at least you get to that point lol
Came here from Low Elo Legends 10 because he said to watch this to get the strategy.
ten seconds into this: "Go watch this other video first"
_I'm on to your little game, Legend._
When he saw "Persians", ff no re immediately
What game speed do pros use?
Properly walling off the water once you see the moved TC might be the way to combat this?
maybe if the other guy was cumans, it could have worked with rams and multiple TCs in fedual
Maybe he should have build his TC in MBL's emty base ! And walling off at least 2 ponds. And lame more boars :D
I want to see the viper defend this after the tc goes up
The only way I can see countering this is to give up your tc. Wall it in and snipe with towers until you can make enough space to build your tc.
What?! I NO PIG?! YOU NO BASE!!
Blue saw the vills walking for the initial TC drop.
Yeah he was stream cheating
Maybe you could delete your own town center as soon as you see the douche coming and build it at your enemy's base?
NOBODY EXPECTS THE PERSIAN EXCURSITION
Maybe, Build a TC in the opponent base where the original TC was?
I mean after the TC was dropped I don't think there's much blue could have done differently.
BUT knowing enemy is playing persians on a map that allows such strategy and you are mayans, just build 1 tile cheap stone walls around you base in such way that you can't get TC dropped, in this case, 3 stone walls would have been enough to keep MBL TC away.
Gotta have those fish n' chips.