Strategy that is Banned... Rematch!
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2023
- If you saw the “Strategy that is Banned in Tournaments” video I uploaded you are very familiar with this “sling” strategy one team is using. Immediately after that game finished both teams ran into each other again which made the “revenge” team decide to try the very same thing they were! This was a really interesting game which may have been decided because of one thing!
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Honestly i think the biggest turning point is around 10:30, Orange stops sending food/gold to red for a while and red falls behind in production. Orange gets up to like 1400 food at 15:00! Obviously he's distracted trying not to die to blue, but i think it seriously swings the game.. just goes to show the value of raiding for distracting your opponent.
How can you not take perfusion in a game like this? It is like the tech that single-handedly makes goths strong and enjoyable in the imperial...
Too expensive.. Rather have take conscription and spam more goth condotierro :D
I was wondering the same thing. Could it be that Red just forgot? Or did he think that since Goths already produce fast and he had a lot of barracks, Perfusion just wasn't needed or worth the expense?
@@Lexoka The tech is better if you have a lot of barracks. For example, if you have only one barrack it is way better to just add one more barrack for a 100% increase in production.
I think it could be the right call though. Look here 25:51 and pause. Red has ~8 barracks and only 5 condos in queue and is at the limit with res to build more. What does perfusion add here when you can’t produce more units cause you don’t have the resources?
@@RobotShield An important part of getting perfusion is that it lowers the time that it takes to change resource into troops on the field. I think perfusion is actually 90%, so if you both queue up 10 units, for a few seconds the player with perfusion has more troops on the field (same idea as being closer to production buildings)
the siege towers passing through a friendly gate remind me of a big rig truck passing under a tiny bridge
Reminds me of the 11foot8 youtube channel of endless rental trucks getting destroyed by this one random bridge
@@samwisegamgee8318 The bridge grows hungry. Soon it must feed again. Best part was when they raised the entire bridge by 8 inches and people still crash into it.
@@cleanerben9636 Now it just feeds on larger prey
11:00 The moves and counter-moves. So satisfying to watch in team play.
I can understand why this would be banned in events, but its kinda awesome to watch it in play.
Zerg mirror match 😂😂
This honestly seemed to be a lot more than just "100v100 condo running into each other" imo
It was also never 100v100 condo.
@@magic_claw Ehh it was getting pretty close to it at some point (80-90 or so on each side), if you are gonna be that pedantic, you could also say they were not "running into each other" but ehh
@@GummieI Idk. I was actually expecting 100 v 100 condo to last longer than the few minutes it did before they split up, based on that comment. Not being pedantic, just dashed expectations.
people building pallisades behind their walls to stop the siege towers is both the cutest and most historically accurate thing i've seen from AOE2 in a while
That`s actually fantastic phenomena because infantry mostly has bad reputation and not used widely. But there it is, and even with relatively rare unique italian mercenaries!
Maybe overpowered strategies is banned in common tournaments, but could be some competition around one strat or its variations? Somewhat like tigers that are not allowed on gladiator arena, but fighting in special "tiger pit".
infantry has the fastest up time, and the best dps against buildings, in 1v1s walls into fast castle are common, but the reason early walls are common is because MAA rushes kill everything pre castle unless you run away, but your TC can't run, and without the walls your archers die before you get xbox and thumbring and numbers, with this kind of sling you can make infantry faster then the other guy can kill your infantry with there archers
Italian wars, 15-16th AD, colorized.
Played a super fun game recently in 2v2 Arena where we did this Italian + Goth strat once, stomped them, and then got the same people again, so they spent ages preparing for the Goth spam, double walling, they even picked infantry civs to counter Goths. So we just switched it up and the Goth played slinged the Italians to HC and BBC and hit the other side. So funny.
You had me at "100 condos going to each other again and again". LET'S GET HYPED !
great match and awesome commentary as always.
When you look at total res at the end of the game the higher elo team was just overall more macro efficient, even tho orange was out of the game all the other players just did a better job of vil management
This sling strategy has been around for a long time. It was often used with Persian war elephants. This was when the zone was still a thing and the conquerors expansion was released. Fun times
5:04 It's the obvious choice if you suspect this strat, it's the first and most efficient way to buy some time.
He's doing it with stone, though, which is 100% pointless. Only the outer layer needs to have high HP/resistance...
The 2nd most obvious "strat" is to just get a TC in a separate enclosure, have a force ready to destroy the towers if possible, but trap them inside regardless. Last time Grey opened the gates for red. They'd be trapped inside if he didn't. Which would buy more time.
Edit: Whoops nope that was palisades, not stone walls, my bad
13:22 (again edit) Orange does, though. lol
Buddy and I teamed using the same 'player' slot. Shared the team... he was general of army, I went eco tycoon. Fun stuff. I'd be curious how pros would share...
didint knew that is possible.. sounds fun
We vs'd 4 expert AI, having come just off a big CoH2 binge.
There is also interesting movement mechanics of the game that give syou advantages in engagements, oftne there is a delay in attacking, a unit so microing. a lead unit when your enemy is clicking an engagement or move command or back stepping stutter ot hit and managing weak units. This can be exploited, but you would have to look more deeply into it, red did take, several vollies. Blue also , continued to look for bases that they could get into to slow the production of another group... which a small force, makes sense, we can see blue using his castle and walls to defend as imo, red over commited to attacking blue. WHihc iimo is a inexperienced choice. Sinnce logically you cannot win against blue and engagemetns near blue will certainyl be in blues favour regardless of upgrades to some degree simply by the fast reinforcement, so red needed to hit elsewhere... have blue push towards him, teh static and buildings forced what we call fodder attack. So how I use fodder in RTS games is, any attack when negaged against another enemy that hits a not attacking unit/ structure is considered fodder, IE a null attack, lowering the over all dps of your army verse your opponent. So buildings, and tanky units work well as fodder, or even allies nad neutral groups can create blocking paths, this is effective with ranged units impeding untis to gain, an extra few attacks, but in mass archers, an extra few attacks is/ can be massive swing, so I don't see any fodder attacks or engagements, so Red should of retreated becaue he lacked fodder. Since lbues only engagement is Red. at his base, he has a near zero chance of wasted dps, whihc is better then any upgrade. Q attack, or R attack... He made a cute hole in teh wall, to avoid gate problems...and a narrow coridor, so he can fill that alley way out if needed without worry of if lose ground the opponenet can't hold the gate open, Some good forward thinking.
i recently played a 4x4 game with hard AIs and the enemy team slinged me out of the game. when i resigned the hard AI that destroyed me had received something like 50k resources.
AI love to sling to each other, and it’s especially satisfying once you knock out the player getting slung the rest are easy
Honestly a good counter to this if you knew it was coming would be to do the same thing but sling the Bulgarians. The reason that they go into condos is because they dont have to spend the time or res going teching into champ, and you get an "imperial age" unit right from the moment you get there. But condos have pretty poor stats apart from their HP, and goths miss the last armor. So its only got 3/2 total armor. Bulgarians get 2HS the moment they hit imp, save a lot on blacksmith upgrades, and the 2HS are only 13f more expensive, while taking way better trades (especially if you ever get the imp UT)
3:30 Meat grinders are so much fun in this game.
The GGs getting called AGAIN right before Yellows Elephants enter the fight is just priceless. This guy must felt so excluded.🤣
Hey T90 would love to see you try something similar to the changeling series Harstem did in StarCraft. You have a team of players all playing the same color but one of them is playing for the other team and is trying to sabotage without being found out. Would be interesting to see this in AOE!
Won't work in aoe2 due to changing the "enemy" color
I think it should be allowed but increased Taxes until researches come through and eventually back to the lowest it can get to. Maybe even 1 tech per age to reduce it so it sets slinging behind, even more so the more people that are slinging. It really is a dynamic strat
yeah the devs should really increase the taxes on slinging before imperial and increase the cost of coinage or something. would make for an interesting but less dominating strat
yes plz make the video about the game that got the strat banned! lore is awesome
Oh thank you so much for uploading this.
Always good to hear your commentary t90. This game was not that interesting except that the two teams figured out how to work together for the victory
big fan of the break down of all the data of the match. thnkyou.
I'm not sure it was strictly perfusion, if you look at your trade logs it shows that red had to sell a metric ton of resources, and yeah, blue did, too, but nowhere near that extent. It just seems to me that the less inexperienced team wasn't fully into the strat, they weren't prioritizing the right resources, like the experienced players were prioritizing. That mixed with perfusion made him lose hard on production. He was getting a ton of stone from purple, if you noticed, but that doesn't translate to the units he needs, or at least it gives diminishing returns on the units red needed.
Great follow up. I was kinda rooting for the we started it team, since they are the real underdogs here.
Second layer of walls, that's like Stronghold Crusader 😁
"What are the condos going to do? They're gonna condo." Nice
I would like to see more about this strat
I will like the video because I do appreciate these shenanigans!
that siege tower to oranges base FTW!
So I wonder how a 4v4 with 1 Ethiopian player and 3 Berber players per team would be like. Shotels are castle only, but with a 4 second creation time and kasbah stacking, that could get down to 2 secs per shotel. Could be cool.
The experienced team sent less as they built the 2nd layer of walls very early, costing resources that could have been slung. The other team didn't prepare this counter until later when they had already scouted it, and not all of them did it.
Can someone explain why this strat with so popular with the Italians. I don't understand as the Goth player if you want to take down walls and buildings why don't you make huskarls? They have bonus damage and would shred. In the case of this game why didn't one of them tech into champs which would have shreded the condos. The condos are an anti gunpowder unit so I don't understand why they are so popular in this strat. Surely get poles or something which can sling better and let the goth player use huskarls and champs.
Nobody has any other units, so only infantry v. infantry stats matter. The main thing about Condos is that they require zero upgrades, as they come ready to go with 10 Atk and 80 HP w/ 1 melee armor. They're also super fast, at 1.2 speed, faster than Eagle Warrior. Huskarls requires 450 F/250 G for Anarchy, and you hit Imp with very few resources, and base Huskarls are 60 HP w/ 10 Atk w/ 0 melee armor, so they will get annihilated by Condos, especially since you'll have fewer units. The Elite upgrade is 1200 F/550 G, way too expensive. Champs are slow as heck to tech into, and also incredibly expensive. Everybody was slinging the Goths player, too, so they don't have time and resources to tech into Champs. And even if they did, when fully upgraded, they are 70 HP w/ 13 attack and much slower than Condo, so they don't really shred as much as you think. Goth Condos are simply the best decently strong unit that you can spam with the fewest investment of time and resources. Of course, they're not an amazing unit in a normal game where everybody has played normally. But you can't spam anything else that strong that quickly.
@@mbvglider thanks very much. That's a great explanation. I felt like I must be missing something but that really does make sense.
No upgrade needed to elite huskarl + barracks production without anarchy is basically it. If timing matters, you’d rather have 60 condos than anarchy + elite huskarl done and waiting for the first 10 to come out.
@@magic_claw yeah makes sense when you think about it like that
since you uploaded the first one, i have died atleast 3 times..so thank you :3
More sling games please!!!
I’d love to see that old game T90 mentioned
I think it'd be interesting to know how much each player has spent, because we know red has recieved more ressources, but we don't know if they used as much as they got
Not getting perfusion was huge, that cost the red team the game. LOve the sling strat in regicide fortress team games. Revenge team gave them a taste of their own medicine. gg wp!
Siege towers killing some units inside it is realistic though. But I hope it would be less than 70%
(T90 meets Spirit of the Law) Battle Analytics. [ I'll subscribe to that. ]
T90 would love it if you covered more meme strats! I know khmer 8 pop scouts or 12 pop malay scouts would do great on your channel. Managed to beat 1650 players with this strat
8 Pop strat? I guess I need to go back to your channel again :D
@@El3andro 8 All Hail King of the Losers
Actually I would love that, I should build a quick map, for slinging. its a good thing to test, a back line alley wit ha front line slinger. Yellow... petards and Persian.. elephants. .elite... hmm... I mean... ounce for ounce elephants win since the onyl imbalance in aoe2, is that certain units do not consume pop the same, so their power relation is a bit skewed, that cost doesn't really count... technically an elephant and rider... but.. lol elephants are slow, but slinging elephants, for mass eco damage, lol and death, anyways. meh... coudl it work?
it was really just orange throwing the game by not walling early and red not getting perfusion
OMFG the team names 🤣🤣
Now I am dying to see round 3nwhere both teams sling, both have double walls, and both have perfusion. Who is going to come up with something innovative then?
8:10 How does a siege tower actually fit through a gate?
What the hell, I swear when I try to do this, I can't, and I have to make a hole in the wall
They just drop the top for a bit.
@@NAAjine Just builda ram... Its cheaper adn works perfectly :D
@@krystofcisar469 I'm a simple low-elo man. I prefer to terrorise my enemies with sudden, unexpected Huskarls.
"No bebo agua si doy besitos ricos" roughly means "I don't drink water but I give nice kisses". I have no idea what the context is for that, but it's the translation
3:20 yes?
Hey T90 and everyone. Where does the overlay and stats screens come from? Is it a mod?
They could have made a few petards instead of siege towering with condos .. or a few rams or bombard cannons.
i've witnessed the AI playing this strategy some months ago
I would like to see the old turny game
It's like playing on Ultra High resources with a bit of a delay.
I've root for the revenge team the whole time even on the first match too, just cause of how dirty this tactic is and im happy the team won 2-0 XP
Purple's name mean:
I don't drink water, i give great kisses
Is still weird to hear boosting be called slinging lmao
I've heard it being called slinging for over 10 years now, was it called boosting before? Or is that from other games?
@@mattutter3525 is from when you had to play aoe2 through msn game zone or whatever was called
They should really get the Khmer player to Castle age and have them make like 10 scorpions then keep slinging (instead of going IMP).
It really is like DBZ aoe 2 style.
I went against this strategy with my girlfriend in 2vs2 on arena. It really caught me off guard.
ow about playing a game where market is banned and max age is feudal? Would be interesting. No trade cogs either.
why not throw in scorpions in those massive infantry blob fights?? surely theyd get sooo much value especially in choke pionts
One of them should've been a Spanish player so that they could get that trade bonus.
If you didn't upload this after reading in the comments of the other video it was sent to you (and I looked every day), I was going to have a very incomplete life. Thanks for being reasonable!
*T90!!!*
poor yellow, he really hates this strat, just wants to play :P
*PIZZA ARRIBA REMATCH!!! :) 100/100!!!*
Funneling has made its way from league to AoE
Siege tower vs siege tower? Have I died and gone to heaven?
What's this version of AOE2? Definitive Edition?
no Italians were harmed on making this video
Green is Slavs? Why didn't they go Druzina and get infantry? They would melt those Condotieros.
The only strategy that ever actually needed banned from AOE2 was that Teuton TC crap waaaay back in the day
Condo on condo violence
Just fyi everyone "Khmer" is pronounced "Ka-May" or "Ka-My"
:P No one ever seems to want to correct it :P
I we watched some documentaries on khmer empires adn i think you are right :D They usually pronounced it like Khmay (definitely without r) Would acrually love to go in cambodia to see myself...
Condo(minium) versus condo(minium) (real estate) war.
Family isn't worth it! Stay with us! Stay with us! Stay with us!
I still don't get why slinging is frowned upon.
someone should create a szenario just for this strat.... something like 1v1 map, but in the back there are 3 more players for each team xd
new gamemode: "condo spam"
Just let yellow have some fun
So, funneling all monies is not strategically good, fudning to the point of peak production is, that requires open mic sytem of ocmmuncation. So... other teams building magonals. in a small degree. This wany they can be sent to blue... or whoever is slinging, and then micro'd... so each team coudl build 1 siege, or havea siege buidling, this way, your maximize production, this changes, your castle upgrades to market. and arrow, and then siege... Tripple boom sling maxes out at the cap production limit, so you need like 50 barracks in optimal sling circumstance, well depeendent on the populace count to. so if they hit cap... others needs production also... eventaully if everony eis booming and sending there is a cap, so peopel in close proximity in a 4/ v 4 lan would make it more interesting since they can optimize their relation
Red received mire and produced more... He just threw thzm away instead of grouping them to fight.
I think T90 should try a bit more with languages, especially Spanish but also German etc, anything easy to copy/paste or re-type in a translation. The "No bebo" name is interesting, especially with teammate Felipe's name...
I hate this strat, so I'm all-out rooting for the 'Revenge' team!
I enjoyed it!
With all these condos we might finally get affordable rent price.
My fav part is 2 mins in when they have nothing to focus on and still dont place farms right, not a single person...
I still dont get what the problem with slinging is.
its very all-or-nothing, extremely limiting to play against and maybe even just outright broken.
Is this game about real estate? A a lot of talk about Condos.
why doesn't the team also pick saracens?
Why are they building houses? They should be building condos.
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Why doesn't anyone ever play as Japan?
Cause its fortress map... Literally one of the few ones i would probably never not pick japanese.. Japanese condo is good, but not that good. Viking/celts/burmese or malian condo would be probably superior - definitely better than goth condo but its the cost...
@@krystofcisar469 Thank you! I'm new to AOE2 I appreciate the reply
Based and Condo pilled
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@@PoopLord OH CRAP
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YOU SEE
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