@@cmbaileytstc yes, even on dry pavement. A super technical Touge with very short straights and very few longer open corners and a lot of hairpins and S bends will always favor a RWD. One with more longer corners and few hairpins favours AWD. One that's fairly flap with not too much elevation change and mostly S bends with few hairpins and not that many longer corners favours FWD.
I was always the fastest with FWD when playing on a joystick, since you gotta be so aggressive at the turn in, just set the rear bias quite high to help with understeer
@@JosesitoSaldivia 50/50 is great. My irl GC8 is 50/50, and is an absolute blast to drive. And fun when you stop on some dirt, lock the steering right, rev up and clutch dump in 1st ;)
After accidentally drifted my parent's car in a wet condition, I'm still wondering how tf did he drift in such dry condition, especialy in those tight corners
@@i.akbaranshari5850 Rip that ebrake, point in the direction you wanna go and floor it! I mean you saw how he did it lol. It also depends on if your FWD vehicle even can do a burnout on dry pavement. an LSD and good torque will make it easier.
@@i.akbaranshari5850 It's not like all FF cars just understeer. Old french hothatches tend to lift off oversteer very easily, to the point where you simply let the rear slide a bit on corner entrance and then step on the gas sooner. No need for ebrake. At the same time with lift off, you can just control the rear slip with the throttle mid corner. Even on the dry.
I've always found the differences between drivetrains intriguing. Personally I prefer RWD cars the most as they are silly fun and quirky to drive. My experience is that RWD often performs better while cornering (either that or I am a natural talent) and quick directional changes, while AWD has unbeatable acceleration and exit speed. I've driven FWDs the least, but I've noticed they're super easy to push to the limit and often tend to be lighter than cars in the same power range. Curious what anyone else can add to the topic.
Front wheel drives are largely set up for economy and comfort - whereas contemporary RWD are usually performance cars. If FWD is set up properly The difference in lateral grip is minimal - it's just that you're usually less able to use throttle while turning.
From history, the Group B Lancia 037 was faster (which was RWD) than the Audi Quattro in tarmac rally stages due to its lightweight chassis and better weight distribution and because losing traction in tarmac wasn't really an issue. Everywhere else on loose surfaces the Quattro was faster.
That was old AWD, more modern AWD have significantly better systems. I'm a fan of RWD myself, but a well tuned AWD is almost always an advantage. The logical argument basically being that you can always tune an AWD to be more similar to a RWD, but you can't ever get a RWD to have that front tire pull.
@@darkrage1138 Yeah i know that. What i wanted to say is that its more car dependant. If a FWD is more balanced and overall lighter then it should be faster than an older and heavier AWD. But yeah AWD can be the fastest overall. There's a reason why every rallycar is AWD for 30 years.
Agreed, stiffer rear suspension and an LSD up front help with a lot of the drawbacks of FWD cars. They're just not set up that way on most cars because they're an unnecessary expense for a mass-market production car.
Let's not forget the Impreza, AWD with a longitudinal boxer engine, which allows the car to behave more like a RWD (yes it can drift) and have better front-to-rear weight distribution.
@@garrettmcguire6864 any year really, every AWD (yes there are some older FWD ones, but not so common) impreza has a longitudinal boxer engine. The only difference is between GC (92-00) and the rest (GD, etc. 01-present). The GC is lightweight (~1200Kg) and flexible, while the newer ones are heavier (~1350-1400Kg), wider and stiffer, with improved suspension.
@@garrettmcguire6864 every subi with a manual dccd has more torque to the rear tgen to the front (i got a 1998 sti type r v4 and it has 35:65 distrobution while a regular sti is 50:50 and yeah the rear wants to step out alot)
Nice! Is your car setup by default for touge, and would you have any tuning setups or suggestions for the lower power AE86 and tuned versions? I really wanna practice getting good at this but the tuning of the car is incredibly intimidating to a neophyte.
i found out that he copied this 7 years old video almost word for word and didnt even mention it :(, when I randomly watched it it thought I had deja vu. ua-cam.com/video/C4hv78vtBxM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MotorTrendChannel
@@RyuKyu316 Well I dont blame you for anything. Tbh I just wanted to share this with someone becouse I have not seen anybody talking about it, and it seemed really scummy to me. And its no big deal, TSRB was much smaller 2y ago and theese guys he copied from have like 14 times more subs even now.
@@istachi I've put slick tires on a couple of cars and have had them go mental fast, I put a spoon b18b in an Nd Miata with the cup car slicks on it, and it's one of the most fun and fast things I've driven in ac
I have a Civic IRL (not type R, but still) and I absolutely love how that thing handles. For the 2 and something years I own it, i went into understeer only a few times, and always succesfully recovered, thanks to driving it it AC. FF IMO is the superior drivetrain, if you know how to corner properly and how to manage tire wear. It's easy to have front tires at 180°C 3 minutes into Usui pass. Also recently, I've began to play with AWD cars (22B Impreza), and I love how easy drifting is with them. If you mess something up, just turn the other way and press gas. Maintaining drift is also very nice and natural for me. That cannot be said for RWD cars tho, honestly I have no idea how can anyone drive them aggressively. They oversteer way too much and controlling anything more than driving in a straight line is next to impossible. For togues (subjectively), AWD is the most fun. You can drift and control it easily, but also go grippy as hell and have nice times. FWD is when you want to have fun around corners at high speeds and feel the lateral G's.
Rwd takes a lot of practice and extremely sensitive throttle control. If you start to skid you either let off the gas or drift or scandi flick. Basically when your car is pointed in the direction you want to go but you have a few seconds before the yiu reach the desired exit point, you start pressing the throttle. The amount of throttle depends on your speed and angle and stuff, and you will spin out a lot while practicing. A lot.
On a sim setup I prefer fwd. Especially if it’s a course I know fairly well. The ability to manipulate off throttle/braking oversteer as well as the ability to correct somewhat reliably make it my favorite for this kind of stuff
I was always most comfortable in an NSX, when my PC still worked I had an NSX-R NA2 and that one from Initial D and I always felt they were just absolute perfection to drive
Forza had a great graphic to show tire grip on a car. It was a circle for each tire and a dot showing the amount of work the tire does. If the dot goes outside then the cars tires loose grip.
The progression for a Top level Rally driver is FWD to AWD And that's the advice they will give. You can't make use of an AWD if you can't pull in $50,000+ USD a year in sponsorships so stick to 2WD and if you are serious about becoming a world class racer get a FWD.
Depending on grip AWD can go through corners without losing much speed at all but most of the time there’s not enough grip so overpowered AWD cars usually lose speed in turns, while RWD can gain speed and momentum as it takes the turn, and rarely lose speed in corners. FWD is best for roll racing due to the least amount of drivetrain loss. FWD can arguably be better than RWD at certain power levels due to very little loss of grip and even better momentum, but obviously is the worst off the line. Overall AWD is best with tuning because it can behave like RWD where it matters (in the corners) and still pull the car forward with the unbeatable grip of AWD.
Umm, whole reason why there is RWD is so when the car accelerates the weight shifts to the rear so RWD maintains grip while FWD loses grip when accelerating.
Someone who's driven all and irl, not in assetto on a wheel, most of the touge cars (that do well) are fwd and rarely awd but they're out there, on a touge though, that Honda fit or mazda 3 hatch is going to leave your 350z behind, simply because they're kids that go out to these roads to run them every night, also- 2500lbs vs 3500 lbs makes a big difference in handling/braking/and acceleration
Thing with awd is that its good in all conditions. Put a rwd drag car vs awd rally car on slightly wet surface and look how lower hp rally car wins in a dragrace. In perfect conditions tho rwd drag car would perform way way better.
Old video i know. But conorsev would 100% agree that you can drift fwd, just not in the traditional sense. Good video explaining different drivetrains. And really good information from this channel overall
In a technical course, an underpowered car can be faster if you can be aggressive on the accelerator. But once you get the Eight-Six at the right angle, you can step on the gas as you like. -Takahashi Ryosuke
Once you get anything at the right angle, you can step on anything you like, be it FR, FF or 4WD and as much as you like even if that's not good since you'll get wheelspin.
Underpowered cars are usually lighter due to a smaller engine. Light weight makes cornering faster. Depending on the course, there could be areas where more power is detrimental. Thats actually the plot of MF Ghost, by the guy who did Initial D.
If you use throttle lift off and using your brakes to transfer weight and try to kick out your back end you can sort of slide a fwd car and that might help you not under steer which might happen when stepping on it. You just kinda have to learn from shingo and use that slide to your advantage
Or you can just left foot brake. Throttle and brakes reduce the braking force on the front wheel but not the back, allowing brake bias to be shifted to the back on demand and allowing very controllable oversteer.
I have driven the three drivetrains a lot in my game. It's a Midnight Racing: Tokyo, a game from Roblox that has one of the most realistic vehicle physics in the platform. I mainly drive my fav Mazda RX7-FD3S which is my RWD and it's the car I got my personal best laptimes in our togue. I drive a Honda Civic EK9 Type-R as well for my FWD. And for my AWD I drive a Nissan GT-R Skyline R32. I personally prefer RWD because they're prettymuch the jack of all trades in the three when it comes to time attack. And honestly, even all the way in all scenarios like drifting, burnouts and just having fun. But regards to my togue usage with RWD Their weight is within the middleground of FWD and AWD. Usually FWDs are way lighter than RWD and AWDs are kinda heavier. I also think that RWD cars have more skill cieling than FWD and AWD. Mainly because of natural oversteer which can be utilized skillfully. I'm talking about slip angle. Drifting is another story and in another category of driving as well since it usually is best performed as an art to appeal even in pro Formula Drift torunaments. But other than that, RWD seems to be the only one that can use slip angle where you ride just within the limit of traction, the sweet spot that helps in fast cornering. Bloke showed this in one of his "Can Drift be faster" vid as well as his two Slip angle vids. Overall I think that Slip Angle makes the biggest difference within the three that makes me prefer RWD more.
@@metromedia1 yes, slip angle refers to the tires being right on top of their limit. You can get slip angle on your front tires in a RWD car en vice versa
From my experience Rwd is fun and makes for good fun drifty drifty Fwd is easy to control, although lacklustre in a continued turn Awd is the best of both, stupid easy to control but you can still drift it and almost never lift off the throttle unless shifting can you guess which i like the most?
When I first got into cars and I mean really got into them (I dabbled as a kid but I didn't know much besides the looks of different cars) Tokyo drift was out in the cinema. FF layouts were talked down like crazy. You couldn't be a car guy unless your car was manual and rwd. Nowadays the scene has changed to accept all cars no matter how slow or fast, no matter what brand... This is a time I live for as all cars have different strengths and weaknesses. I've had over 45 cars (I'm 28) and I've driven all sorts of cars. I've had skylines and fairlady z's, golf's, old s class mercs, commodores and falcons and civics to boot. My favourite kind of car to drive so far is FF layout hatches. I currently drive an 02 Levin five speed and a 04 echo sportivo (vitz rs, Yaris t sport) five speed and while not the fastest out there, they're a whole lot of fun on mountain and forest roads :)
I stumbled upon this channel via playing Dirt Rally 2.0, but still learn things I already knew again. Personal Expierience is that RWD heavily depends on the traction you have. Got Aero like GT3 or more and you good to go, got it twisty, bumpy or P/W of over 1/3 of you go. I am a controller pleb, so yeah. FWD heavily depends on slow and sharp turns, also heavy usage of the Handbrake. Tracks like Silverstone would be death. AWD is very dependent on the Differenzial Setup and Power Distribution between axles. I think 22.5/78.5 F/R is the sweet spot, though up to 35/65 AWD is still superior to RWD and down to 15/85 is still viable for very sharp and switchy but not Hairpin tracks. After that unless you do Dragracing, and even then more than 50% Power on Front is iddiocy.
All of the powertrains a really good with a good driver any powertrain can be superior against another. Its up to the driver to rise up against the talent of driver and machine.
While I do prefer RWD, I will concede both AWD and FWD do have their benefits. FWD is good for driving, but as both an amateur driver and mechanic, in some configurations it’s a pain to work on. Especially with one such FWD V6 engine car. In looking at you Ford/Mazda
I feel like RWD has the most cornering potential, given this is the only drivetrain config that doesn't require as much weight being transferred to the front for the front tyres to grip during corner entry. This pays dividends during quick directional changes such as slalom-type corners.
RWD with the engine in the back, thats the best by far for me because it feel alive. But yeah, the best is AWD with engine in the back and might i add electric. Like the RXE (Rallye Cross Electric) cars. They are insane
Holy shyte! I found two FWD I actually enjoy and can drive fast! And they're an EK9 Civic and a DC5 Integra... I've never in my life been able to drive FWD at all. Even in AC, I have pretty much everything a try before except these two, finally forced to try these two and by god, THEY'RE ACTUALLY FUN! Legit posted my fastest time yet on EK Tsukuba with a DC5, a 5:09.5. prior to that my fastest time was a 5:15.7 with a tuned FC.
Give the 500 Abarth step 1 a try. More than enough lift off oversteer to put it sideways and you can use that to actually balance the car. It's probably way slower than those cars though. :P
Also depends is technique like with fwd if you’re a god at left foot braking that’s op or with rwd if you can slip steer extremely proficiently and reliably. Or just straight up track knowledge can completely construe results. It’s way too circumstantial to know for sure sadly.
I believe RWD would win the drag race. AWD will lose some power in the drivetrain before it reaches the wheels, and also won't let you get the most perfect launch either. FWD will lose some traction to the driven wheels, because of the weight transfer to the rear during acceleration, while RWD will gain traction to driven wheels for the same reason
Depends on conditions really, on drag strip ( special grippy surface ) and with drag tires, RWD. Normal tires and road/racing circuit -> AWD wins all the way.
All that you said about the FF made sense, and heck, was really informative, thanks! One thing, my question is, if you’re up against a good opponent and are struggling to keep up driving faster is implied, correct? Like you said about over using the front tires, how can you overcome this disadvantage? Is there a way to speed up and drive faster without over using the fronts?
Not really? Especially if you're trying to drive beyond your abilities you're more like to start stressing the tyres further if your inputs and braking get sloppy. Better tyres may help. Physically larger rubber can soak more heat and a different compound may resist overheating for longer.
The weight is going to go somewhere though, managing weight seems like a lot to keep up with along with steering, three pedals, and a shifter. Got a solution?
My experience is best siuted for fast driveing: - FWD slow tight tracks or road use - RWD on fast long corners (big tracks) - AWD a little bit of both but best on gravel or generaly loose contitions How i came up with this experiences just know how to drive a car and drive it the way it was meant, most people are unable to give out of the car all that is capable and i think most dont know how to fully utilize a FWD car, becaus in FWD most people are just scared of that trottle and understeer but if you have a good car LSD and good driveing techniq FWD will award full trottle way more than other two on slow tight corners where you can oversteer like crazy and pull yourself out of corners with trottle, i think FWD car will oversteer more than RWD if both are driven proffesionaly for fastest times.. I for example drive Alfa Romeo GT Q2 200HP 420NM 1395KG Limited slip diff I can sleep in the trunk comfortably (im 187cm) i can drive nonstop long drives without any backpain, and most importantly my daily drive is like a rally stage everytime i hit the road, with proper trail braking never understeers front is sharp and the rear is the one doing all the slideing around
Question, how do you have your interior camera set up? I can never get ac to look how I want it, and your cameras are pretty much perfect, just wondering what settings you have and such
The best power drive for a touge is in my opinion ATTESA-ETS. Distributing power accordingly is far more valuable and effective than other forms of drive. Evewn an ordinary 4x4 doesn't cut it. If we however ignore the specialization of something like ATTESA is, 4x4 is the best...
Personal preference: RWD and AWD are just much more fun in general. Tried a FWD found it pretty boring, not that many techniques for it cuz the damn thing is glued to the road most of the time.
FWD is also Often the Lightest, Not using as much Mechanical components as AWD and RWD. RWD is Only Alittle bit Heavier Because of the Long Drive Shaft and Differential and Stuff
"High power turbo and all wheel drive, a car isn't complete without them"
-Kyoichi Sudo
And yes, don't forget the infamous...
*𝙈 𝙄 𝙎 𝙁 𝘼 𝙄 𝙍 𝙄 𝙉 𝙂 𝙐 𝙎 𝙃 𝙔 𝙎 𝙏 𝙀 𝙈*
Kyoichi based
@@thebigboybossy4232 gigachad
Add a v12 on the list and you've got a forza horizon car tuned by an 8 year old
bruh
Yes technically AWD is best on Touge in theory. The thing is that it all really depends on the Touge you're driving.
and the driver
On dry pavement?
@@cmbaileytstc yes, even on dry pavement. A super technical Touge with very short straights and very few longer open corners and a lot of hairpins and S bends will always favor a RWD. One with more longer corners and few hairpins favours AWD. One that's fairly flap with not too much elevation change and mostly S bends with few hairpins and not that many longer corners favours FWD.
@@Dominik189 yes you are right
@Cringe Department sort of, slightly more to it but yeah.
I was always the fastest with FWD when playing on a joystick, since you gotta be so aggressive at the turn in, just set the rear bias quite high to help with understeer
and everyone would say you're using driver assist on max when you tell you're using controller 😂
@@NikoKyunKyun indeed!
@@NikoKyunKyun hmmm
AWD with 85% of the power being sent to the rear and 15% to the front is the life
50:50 tho, is just fun
I find 20/80 is good for me. Depends on driver sometimes
35/65 for me, the best balance in a power oriented build for cornering
@@JosesitoSaldivia 50/50 is great. My irl GC8 is 50/50, and is an absolute blast to drive. And fun when you stop on some dirt, lock the steering right, rev up and clutch dump in 1st ;)
70-75% rear is better
"Drifting in a traditional sense is impossible in a FWD car"
Shingo disagreed with that.
After accidentally drifted my parent's car in a wet condition, I'm still wondering how tf did he drift in such dry condition, especialy in those tight corners
@@i.akbaranshari5850 Rip that ebrake, point in the direction you wanna go and floor it! I mean you saw how he did it lol. It also depends on if your FWD vehicle even can do a burnout on dry pavement. an LSD and good torque will make it easier.
@@i.akbaranshari5850 I'm not a car expert but I can assume that the light weight of civics and the tourqe of vtec really depends
@@i.akbaranshari5850 It's not like all FF cars just understeer. Old french hothatches tend to lift off oversteer very easily, to the point where you simply let the rear slide a bit on corner entrance and then step on the gas sooner. No need for ebrake. At the same time with lift off, you can just control the rear slip with the throttle mid corner. Even on the dry.
Tomoyuki too
I grew up in FWD, it can be super fun, also good for low grip roads or dirt.
not much people say FWD is fun, you're rare
@@NikoKyunKyun not many people are individuals, but followers!
@@NikoKyunKyun depends on what car. Any hot hatches FWD should be more fun than any base model RWD mercedes saloon
@@kotarojujo2737 Well that's true XD...
Fwd is so easy to drive hard, finding balance on loose surface is much more safe than in rwd or awd.
I've always found the differences between drivetrains intriguing. Personally I prefer RWD cars the most as they are silly fun and quirky to drive. My experience is that RWD often performs better while cornering (either that or I am a natural talent) and quick directional changes, while AWD has unbeatable acceleration and exit speed. I've driven FWDs the least, but I've noticed they're super easy to push to the limit and often tend to be lighter than cars in the same power range. Curious what anyone else can add to the topic.
Front wheel drives are largely set up for economy and comfort - whereas contemporary RWD are usually performance cars.
If FWD is set up properly The difference in lateral grip is minimal - it's just that you're usually less able to use throttle while turning.
"or I am a natural talent" no, no you're not
@@darkinators you never know ;)
FWD can be insanely fun imo. The Peugeot 306 Maxi is one of my favorite cars on Dirt Rally.
@@christopherjohnston6343 that makes you slower lol
FWD is surprisingly good on downhill-focused, technical tracks. Happo out and Tsukuba both come to mind.
From history, the Group B Lancia 037 was faster (which was RWD) than the Audi Quattro in tarmac rally stages due to its lightweight chassis and better weight distribution and because losing traction in tarmac wasn't really an issue. Everywhere else on loose surfaces the Quattro was faster.
That was old AWD, more modern AWD have significantly better systems.
I'm a fan of RWD myself, but a well tuned AWD is almost always an advantage. The logical argument basically being that you can always tune an AWD to be more similar to a RWD, but you can't ever get a RWD to have that front tire pull.
@@darkrage1138 Yeah i know that. What i wanted to say is that its more car dependant. If a FWD is more balanced and overall lighter then it should be faster than an older and heavier AWD. But yeah AWD can be the fastest overall. There's a reason why every rallycar is AWD for 30 years.
@@darkrage1138 but the car will be heavier
@@emmanuelperrina6105 Yea of course it will, but that majority of the time the advantage of AWD will beat out the disadvantages of some weight gain.
@YMC-DAB420 On some events yeah, but they didn't have to cheat on tarmac stages.
Fwd all day. You can mitigate most all the negative aspects with suspension mods and alignment. Use its properties to get a better turn and control.
Agreed, stiffer rear suspension and an LSD up front help with a lot of the drawbacks of FWD cars. They're just not set up that way on most cars because they're an unnecessary expense for a mass-market production car.
1. Inherently less traction. So rain, snow, bad surface.
2. The car can't yaw under power, that can be fixed tho in many ways.
1. Inherently less traction. So rain, snow, bad surface.
2. The car can't yaw under power, that can be fixed tho in many ways.
Donut???
I drive an FF with a torque vectoring diff and I’m pull through and exit corners faster than the AWD cars I’ve raced 😄
4:23 That is one fantastic example mate, I always do that whenever I'm in a supermarket 😂💙
Let's not forget the Impreza, AWD with a longitudinal boxer engine, which allows the car to behave more like a RWD (yes it can drift) and have better front-to-rear weight distribution.
What year Impreza specifically, because I'm interested.
@@garrettmcguire6864 any year really, every AWD (yes there are some older FWD ones, but not so common) impreza has a longitudinal boxer engine. The only difference is between GC (92-00) and the rest (GD, etc. 01-present). The GC is lightweight (~1200Kg) and flexible, while the newer ones are heavier (~1350-1400Kg), wider and stiffer, with improved suspension.
@@garrettmcguire6864 every subi with a manual dccd has more torque to the rear tgen to the front (i got a 1998 sti type r v4 and it has 35:65 distrobution while a regular sti is 50:50 and yeah the rear wants to step out alot)
Great vid man. Glad to see you used the cars I sent to you for this vid.
Nice! Is your car setup by default for touge, and would you have any tuning setups or suggestions for the lower power AE86 and tuned versions? I really wanna practice getting good at this but the tuning of the car is incredibly intimidating to a neophyte.
i found out that he copied this 7 years old video almost word for word and didnt even mention it :(, when I randomly watched it it thought I had deja vu.
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@@pavelmatusu4457 wtf I didn't know tbh. I just provided replays cars and stuff.🤣🤣
@@RyuKyu316 Well I dont blame you for anything. Tbh I just wanted to share this with someone becouse I have not seen anybody talking about it, and it seemed really scummy to me.
And its no big deal, TSRB was much smaller 2y ago and theese guys he copied from have like 14 times more subs even now.
@pavelmatusu4457 yeah no prob man I too now see the deja vu and not daijobu🤣
It totally depends on the touge and the cars, I'm fastest down most roads in an aw11 mr2, even though something like an evo5 is technically way faster
Also driving style.
@@georgeb5262 Yee, very true
Just download a 900hp mod with a shit ton of grip and it'll break records
@@istachi I've put slick tires on a couple of cars and have had them go mental fast, I put a spoon b18b in an Nd Miata with the cup car slicks on it, and it's one of the most fun and fast things I've driven in ac
@@istachi probably because it has arcade physics so it’s not realistic
I would love to see all at the same time with their fastest runs. Next to each other or all ghosts from above in one view. To really see the diffrence
Thanks for explaining the difference between 4WD and AWD, that had never been fully clear to me.
All wheels all the time 😈
I forgot which is which but one all the tires spin even if one was in the air. And the other will put less power to the tired as they lose traction.
@@Damagic1 #1 is AWD and #2 is 4WD
I think the best drivetrain is up to the driver’s preferences
In my case, It would either be awd or rwd, just because I don’t like how fwd cars handle
The visualization with the tires as pi diagram is the best one I have ever seen for that issue. I will always explain it that way from now on.
I have a Civic IRL (not type R, but still) and I absolutely love how that thing handles. For the 2 and something years I own it, i went into understeer only a few times, and always succesfully recovered, thanks to driving it it AC. FF IMO is the superior drivetrain, if you know how to corner properly and how to manage tire wear. It's easy to have front tires at 180°C 3 minutes into Usui pass. Also recently, I've began to play with AWD cars (22B Impreza), and I love how easy drifting is with them. If you mess something up, just turn the other way and press gas. Maintaining drift is also very nice and natural for me. That cannot be said for RWD cars tho, honestly I have no idea how can anyone drive them aggressively. They oversteer way too much and controlling anything more than driving in a straight line is next to impossible.
For togues (subjectively), AWD is the most fun. You can drift and control it easily, but also go grippy as hell and have nice times. FWD is when you want to have fun around corners at high speeds and feel the lateral G's.
Rwd takes a lot of practice and extremely sensitive throttle control. If you start to skid you either let off the gas or drift or scandi flick. Basically when your car is pointed in the direction you want to go but you have a few seconds before the yiu reach the desired exit point, you start pressing the throttle. The amount of throttle depends on your speed and angle and stuff, and you will spin out a lot while practicing. A lot.
On a sim setup I prefer fwd. Especially if it’s a course I know fairly well. The ability to manipulate off throttle/braking oversteer as well as the ability to correct somewhat reliably make it my favorite for this kind of stuff
I was always most comfortable in an NSX, when my PC still worked I had an NSX-R NA2 and that one from Initial D and I always felt they were just absolute perfection to drive
4wd + perfect tuning to behave like rwd. Should be fun with this setting.
Forza had a great graphic to show tire grip on a car. It was a circle for each tire and a dot showing the amount of work the tire does. If the dot goes outside then the cars tires loose grip.
Assetto corsa is better
I agree that was a great graphic to show the tires peak grip
Out of the simcade games, Gran Turismo 4 simulates understeer and weight transfer pretty damn well
true but in forza you don't lose grip braking and steering at the same time unlike real life
@@growingup4487what ? Yes you do I’ve lost the rear under braking so many times at the final corner of yas marina
Great detailed and informative video
i love how takumi is driving the 86
Where's MRD & RRD?
And your FWD first section is mostly about differentials, but I think it's really well explained,
I assume you mean mid rear and rear rear. Those were covered in the video and are called FMR and RMR
@@TSRB nice, i'll have to check it out!
@@TSRB yeah but you missed the advantages of them...
they also drive completely different to a fr car
The progression for a Top level Rally driver is FWD to AWD
And that's the advice they will give.
You can't make use of an AWD if you can't pull in $50,000+ USD a year in sponsorships so stick to 2WD and if you are serious about becoming a world class racer get a FWD.
Nice bro very comprehensive. Glad you touched on midships and power splits in AWD
Maybe it’s just cause I drive fwd in real life, but I’ve always found fwd the easiest to visualize weight transfer and easiest to learn
Depending on grip AWD can go through corners without losing much speed at all but most of the time there’s not enough grip so overpowered AWD cars usually lose speed in turns, while RWD can gain speed and momentum as it takes the turn, and rarely lose speed in corners.
FWD is best for roll racing due to the least amount of drivetrain loss. FWD can arguably be better than RWD at certain power levels due to very little loss of grip and even better momentum, but obviously is the worst off the line.
Overall AWD is best with tuning because it can behave like RWD where it matters (in the corners) and still pull the car forward with the unbeatable grip of AWD.
Umm, whole reason why there is RWD is so when the car accelerates the weight shifts to the rear so RWD maintains grip while FWD loses grip when accelerating.
Someone who's driven all and irl, not in assetto on a wheel, most of the touge cars (that do well) are fwd and rarely awd but they're out there, on a touge though, that Honda fit or mazda 3 hatch is going to leave your 350z behind, simply because they're kids that go out to these roads to run them every night, also- 2500lbs vs 3500 lbs makes a big difference in handling/braking/and acceleration
I love my 02 Impreza RS (full engine rebuild and modification) there's nothing that can beat the cornering and bottom end torque on that thing.
Oh really😏 let's run it
Gran turismo fans when they see a yellow evo 😳
AWD is always better, but a better driver can tip the balance towards FWD or RWD
Thing with awd is that its good in all conditions. Put a rwd drag car vs awd rally car on slightly wet surface and look how lower hp rally car wins in a dragrace. In perfect conditions tho rwd drag car would perform way way better.
Old video i know. But conorsev would 100% agree that you can drift fwd, just not in the traditional sense. Good video explaining different drivetrains. And really good information from this channel overall
"it isnt the car thats monstrous, its the driver"
In a technical course, an underpowered car can be faster if you can be aggressive on the accelerator.
But once you get the Eight-Six at the right angle, you can step on the gas as you like.
-Takahashi Ryosuke
Once you get anything at the right angle, you can step on anything you like, be it FR, FF or 4WD and as much as you like even if that's not good since you'll get wheelspin.
@@TheXtremeSS Yes but takumi drives it like a beast but not depends on performance for him
Underpowered cars are usually lighter due to a smaller engine. Light weight makes cornering faster. Depending on the course, there could be areas where more power is detrimental. Thats actually the plot of MF Ghost, by the guy who did Initial D.
If you use throttle lift off and using your brakes to transfer weight and try to kick out your back end you can sort of slide a fwd car and that might help you not under steer which might happen when stepping on it. You just kinda have to learn from shingo and use that slide to your advantage
Or you can just left foot brake.
Throttle and brakes reduce the braking force on the front wheel but not the back, allowing brake bias to be shifted to the back on demand and allowing very controllable oversteer.
I have driven the three drivetrains a lot in my game. It's a Midnight Racing: Tokyo, a game from Roblox that has one of the most realistic vehicle physics in the platform. I mainly drive my fav Mazda RX7-FD3S which is my RWD and it's the car I got my personal best laptimes in our togue. I drive a Honda Civic EK9 Type-R as well for my FWD. And for my AWD I drive a Nissan GT-R Skyline R32.
I personally prefer RWD because they're prettymuch the jack of all trades in the three when it comes to time attack.
And honestly, even all the way in all scenarios like drifting, burnouts and just having fun.
But regards to my togue usage with RWD
Their weight is within the middleground of FWD and AWD. Usually FWDs are way lighter than RWD and AWDs are kinda heavier.
I also think that RWD cars have more skill cieling than FWD and AWD. Mainly because of natural oversteer which can be utilized skillfully. I'm talking about slip angle. Drifting is another story and in another category of driving as well since it usually is best performed as an art to appeal even in pro Formula Drift torunaments. But other than that, RWD seems to be the only one that can use slip angle where you ride just within the limit of traction, the sweet spot that helps in fast cornering. Bloke showed this in one of his "Can Drift be faster" vid as well as his two Slip angle vids.
Overall I think that Slip Angle makes the biggest difference within the three that makes me prefer RWD more.
Pretty sure slip angle can be achieved with any drive train
@@metromedia1 yes, slip angle refers to the tires being right on top of their limit. You can get slip angle on your front tires in a RWD car en vice versa
Awd has the highest skill ceiling. You have to learn 1. How the awd system reacts, exactly. 2. Power slide entries.
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Money shifting: Am I a joke to you?!
AWD is my favorite because in the video it has the G T 2 0 0 0 YELLOW MITSUBISHI EVO 5 GSR
One missing thing is the best lap times of drivers preferring each drivetrain
fucking incredible background song bruv. tapped in
do you know what the song is??
According to me skill and exp is important..
Wise words
I gotta say...
This man's thumbnail's attracted my eyed and make me click so fast
I'm now enlightened how to handle AWD better. Thanks very much
From my experience
Rwd is fun and makes for good fun drifty drifty
Fwd is easy to control, although lacklustre in a continued turn
Awd is the best of both, stupid easy to control but you can still drift it and almost never lift off the throttle unless shifting
can you guess which i like the most?
Awd
When I first got into cars and I mean really got into them (I dabbled as a kid but I didn't know much besides the looks of different cars) Tokyo drift was out in the cinema. FF layouts were talked down like crazy. You couldn't be a car guy unless your car was manual and rwd. Nowadays the scene has changed to accept all cars no matter how slow or fast, no matter what brand... This is a time I live for as all cars have different strengths and weaknesses. I've had over 45 cars (I'm 28) and I've driven all sorts of cars. I've had skylines and fairlady z's, golf's, old s class mercs, commodores and falcons and civics to boot. My favourite kind of car to drive so far is FF layout hatches. I currently drive an 02 Levin five speed and a 04 echo sportivo (vitz rs, Yaris t sport) five speed and while not the fastest out there, they're a whole lot of fun on mountain and forest roads :)
Well delivered information, Basic but yet important for becoming a better driver
I stumbled upon this channel via playing Dirt Rally 2.0, but still learn things I already knew again.
Personal Expierience is that RWD heavily depends on the traction you have. Got Aero like GT3 or more and you good to go, got it twisty, bumpy or P/W of over 1/3 of you go. I am a controller pleb, so yeah.
FWD heavily depends on slow and sharp turns, also heavy usage of the Handbrake. Tracks like Silverstone would be death.
AWD is very dependent on the Differenzial Setup and Power Distribution between axles. I think 22.5/78.5 F/R is the sweet spot, though up to 35/65 AWD is still superior to RWD and down to 15/85 is still viable for very sharp and switchy but not Hairpin tracks. After that unless you do Dragracing, and even then more than 50% Power on Front is iddiocy.
i own a fwd suv, its a 4 cylinder and produces 145 bhp, my dad modified the exhaust, im gonna own it as soon as i get a license
Just noticed, the hachiroku has takumi instead of the normal driver lol
I bet awd the best, it has the best acceleration, advantages of RWD and easier to control like fwd
Understeer lol
All of the powertrains a really good with a good driver any powertrain can be superior against another. Its up to the driver to rise up against the talent of driver and machine.
Also I sometimes don't even brake in FWD, I just hold the accelerator and turn button
While I do prefer RWD, I will concede both AWD and FWD do have their benefits. FWD is good for driving, but as both an amateur driver and mechanic, in some configurations it’s a pain to work on. Especially with one such FWD V6 engine car. In looking at you Ford/Mazda
Why is the evo v always yellow
I feel like RWD has the most cornering potential, given this is the only drivetrain config that doesn't require as much weight being transferred to the front for the front tyres to grip during corner entry. This pays dividends during quick directional changes such as slalom-type corners.
What evo are you using. Please send a mod link if possible
thanks
I like rwd and awd…fwd feels weird especially when the car tries to steer for you.
RWD with the engine in the back, thats the best by far for me because it feel alive. But yeah, the best is AWD with engine in the back and might i add electric. Like the RXE (Rallye Cross Electric) cars. They are insane
Holy shyte! I found two FWD I actually enjoy and can drive fast! And they're an EK9 Civic and a DC5 Integra... I've never in my life been able to drive FWD at all. Even in AC, I have pretty much everything a try before except these two, finally forced to try these two and by god, THEY'RE ACTUALLY FUN! Legit posted my fastest time yet on EK Tsukuba with a DC5, a 5:09.5. prior to that my fastest time was a 5:15.7 with a tuned FC.
Give the 500 Abarth step 1 a try. More than enough lift off oversteer to put it sideways and you can use that to actually balance the car. It's probably way slower than those cars though. :P
@@TheXtremeSS you mean the OG Abarth 500, or the new one?
@@Dominik189 new one. The old one is RR.
@@TheXtremeSS hmmm, I might give it a chance. Might...
background song is Elysian Fields by Artemis
Also depends is technique like with fwd if you’re a god at left foot braking that’s op or with rwd if you can slip steer extremely proficiently and reliably. Or just straight up track knowledge can completely construe results. It’s way too circumstantial to know for sure sadly.
AWD. It's banned from Motorsports for a reason, it fucking rocks everything else as long as the driver isn't dumb
I prefer AWD as you can really keep on the throttle and are able to correct most mistakes relatively easily
So let's do a drag race. Same weight, same power, same torque, same gear ratio, same tire. Who would win?
I believe RWD would win the drag race. AWD will lose some power in the drivetrain before it reaches the wheels, and also won't let you get the most perfect launch either. FWD will lose some traction to the driven wheels, because of the weight transfer to the rear during acceleration, while RWD will gain traction to driven wheels for the same reason
Depends on conditions really, on drag strip ( special grippy surface ) and with drag tires, RWD. Normal tires and road/racing circuit -> AWD wins all the way.
I heard DNB in the intro, Instantly subbed. I love racing and blasting DNB... Also EuroBeat ;)
The winner is the guy who lights a cigarette in the middle of drift then says " aight time to go vrooom." .
Can you do a video on the no drifting. I almost have it mastered but I just need to work on my entry.
Is it weird that I like them all? However the evo 6 is definitely my favorite car
Now I'm interested to make a rear engine, fwd car for Togue.... Time to fire up Automation.
i allways pick the good old rwd cuz i never learned to drive the other ones fast
All that you said about the FF made sense, and heck, was really informative, thanks! One thing, my question is, if you’re up against a good opponent and are struggling to keep up driving faster is implied, correct? Like you said about over using the front tires, how can you overcome this disadvantage? Is there a way to speed up and drive faster without over using the fronts?
Not really? Especially if you're trying to drive beyond your abilities you're more like to start stressing the tyres further if your inputs and braking get sloppy.
Better tyres may help. Physically larger rubber can soak more heat and a different compound may resist overheating for longer.
Sounds about accurate, thank you!
Adjust suspension setup and manage weight transfer (your driving style) to better distribute the load on each tire
The weight is going to go somewhere though, managing weight seems like a lot to keep up with along with steering, three pedals, and a shifter. Got a solution?
My dad always says, slow is smooth, smooth is fast
Takumi fujiwara vs Kyoichi sudo vs daiki ninomiya
My experience is best siuted for fast driveing:
- FWD slow tight tracks or road use
- RWD on fast long corners (big tracks)
- AWD a little bit of both but best on gravel or generaly loose contitions
How i came up with this experiences just know how to drive a car and drive it the way it was meant, most people are unable to give out of the car all that is capable and i think most dont know how to fully utilize a FWD car, becaus in FWD most people are just scared of that trottle and understeer but if you have a good car LSD and good driveing techniq FWD will award full trottle way more than other two on slow tight corners where you can oversteer like crazy and pull yourself out of corners with trottle, i think FWD car will oversteer more than RWD if both are driven proffesionaly for fastest times..
I for example drive Alfa Romeo GT Q2
200HP
420NM
1395KG
Limited slip diff
I can sleep in the trunk comfortably (im 187cm) i can drive nonstop long drives without any backpain, and most importantly my daily drive is like a rally stage everytime i hit the road, with proper trail braking never understeers front is sharp and the rear is the one doing all the slideing around
Question, how do you have your interior camera set up? I can never get ac to look how I want it, and your cameras are pretty much perfect, just wondering what settings you have and such
What helped me most was NeckFX
The best power drive for a touge is in my opinion ATTESA-ETS.
Distributing power accordingly is far more valuable and effective than other forms of drive. Evewn an ordinary 4x4 doesn't cut it.
If we however ignore the specialization of something like ATTESA is, 4x4 is the best...
This is Kyouichi Sudo Approved Channel. 👍
You know awd is cool. But I like having the ability to slide whenever I’m feeling silly
That's why I like using the mrs btw I got assetto corsa this week
Good vid!
My wrx feels awesome out of corners if you're in boost 😍
Personally prefer AWD over the two, since it has even distributed power so it means, it isn't pulled nor pushed
Where can I find that EK9 mod? Been searching but can't find it anywhere, is it private? Thanks in advance, keep up the good work ✌🏻
You should make a car pack with all of the cars that are found in your videos.
i would say that fwd performs better in loose surface while rwd is better on hard surface. awd is the universal tool for both areas.
He'll love it it's the perfect arcade drifting game
From where do you get your yellow cars ?
Personal preference: RWD and AWD are just much more fun in general. Tried a FWD found it pretty boring, not that many techniques for it cuz the damn thing is glued to the road most of the time.
FWD is also Often the Lightest, Not using as much Mechanical components as AWD and RWD. RWD is Only Alittle bit Heavier Because of the Long Drive Shaft and Differential and Stuff
All these videos do is empower me with my 06 civic😂
You forgot to mention the RWD/AWD hybrid that is the GTR series
I got a question if it's manual how did they put manual in the cockpit but the engine position is facing both tyres?
Mid engine rwd is the most fun to drive and Audi quattro for all wheather conditions
8 wheel drive for the win!!!
Nice i could see shingo,takumi and toudou school peaople with misfiring system
my prediction is rear or front
AWD
So what we are saying is... The awd drive cars are the best most alien tech?