The way I usually described the Fujiwara Zone, specifically the ones where Takumi flashed forward, is that his speed doesn't match up what the opponent's suspect it to be. Like, during racing it would be hard to be 100% aware of where your opponent is at all time. So, during a brief moment where they focus back on Takumi, they would think he would be where they think he would be but in reality he is further in front and it surprises them. That "snap back to reality" is the flashing forward effect shown on the anime. Simply put, Takumi is just faster than they anticipated. P.S. love that the video is in 4:3 aspect ratio.
It's scientifically proven, there's an interesting easy experiment - no matter how good your reaction time and mind training is, if you look at a usual clock (the one that goes tuk tuk and moves it's hand just 60 times in one minute) and look back at in in 5 seconds, the clock hand will stay in your perception just for a millisecond or so longer, before actually moving and coming to usual perceived speed It's hard to explain but it's basically irl ping
@@Cr4z3d hahah, maybe dying battery does have something to do with it But otherwise it works with everything, with stoplights, with people on the street and with cars
After the flow state the best thing is when you realise what you just did and you get surprised from your performance though it’s the worst thing as well because it’s harder to get back to the state, it can be a double edged knife
Can't beat mastery earned through proper repetition! I like this explanation because this pretty much sums up most things about honing your skills in anything. It really speaks to me because I'm a pretty experienced guitar player(I can play without thinking too just like the explanation in the vid) and boy the amount of repetition I did and the time I used to reach where I am is absurd thinking about it now. Everything you learn can be done without thinking as long as you do your practice, and anyone can reach their own "Fujiwara Zone". Great video!
I've driven on akina for a while now and numerous times i've been in the zone, but i was slow anyways, it wasnt until i watched your how to touge and techniques videos and practice more that i could hit near perfect slip angles and drifts without even thinking and improved a lot. I still have a long way to go tho So thanks a lot and keep up the good work, ill continue to support you
Every one of the good drivers in Initial D do it to some extent, Takumi just gets so much deeper into flow than anyone else making it barely recognizable
@ArulVon Fadhilah nah, he learned it from Takumi but his brother explains how Takumi does that but most of the time Keisuke did not even do what Takumi can do instead he just do what he can do like Takumi did plus he is a hillclimb expert
@@toptextbottomtext3062 as Takamine friends and even bunta said, hes not the smartest probably meaning he doesn't overthink things either so it's probably easier for him by default
This video just explained everything I basically do, whenever I'm driving on my steering wheel setup with my friend I always tell him it's not my mind that's making me drive, but my arms and legs. My mind doesn't do nothing it's just blank every time I go for a run on the setup
That’s literally so true, I found I drive better when I’m not concentrating on racing, I’ll have my headphones in really concentrating mentally on a song/podcast or something, and I let my body just move and drive
Artemis - Elysian Fields... excellent tune 🎵 I've gone into the zone during laps of the Nordschleife countless times at this point. There have been laps where I'll legitimately have zero recollection of me doing 50-60% of the lap. It's something Ayrton Senna talked about, notably in reference to some of the insane qualifying laps and general laps he'd done in his career.
Yeah you can perhaps see yourself doing a sub 7 min nordschleife, but you don't really remember how you did that. It make sense, try watching disney movie "soul". It's all connected with this video, and the fujiwara zone
THIS! THIS IS THAT ONE VIDEO I NEEDED MAN! Every time somebody talks shit about Fifth Stage, I'm tired of giving Shakespearean paragraphs explaining it. Thanks a lot for this video!
I remember first watching Initial D and thinking about how bullshit Fujiwara Zone was, after all the cool techniques like gutter dropping and blind attacks, Fujiwara Zone felt like a cop out. But then I started sim driving, and eventually I got better and started to put headphones in and listen to music/podcasts whilst driving, and I found that the less concentrated on driving I was, the better I was. So I started concentrating more on what I was hearing in my headphones than concentrating on the driving and my lap times fell and fell, basically I was just letting my body do it’s thing because my mental power is all used up already and it made me a more natural driver with better braking, handling and even drifting around corners smoothly.
The issue is the way it is depicted visually. Not like a gradual increase in distance between those cars, like would be the case of a driver that drives subconsciously, but like a warp, which is frankly impossible.
The issue is that Ryosuke and Keisuke explained it like it was magic (which shows how insane Takumi's technique is to them) when, in reality, it's just Takumi moving along a line most people wouldn't be able to take at the speeds he takes them at. The dissonance between expectation and reality is what is experienced by the chasers
Essentially a mixture of muscle memory, flow state and the hierarchy of competence (unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, and unconscious competence).
I love this video! It explains a deeper understanding of what I experience almost on a daily occurrence. When I am playing games mostly, or when I have to think quick. A lot of the time I go into a flow state, and I do not remember what I did or how I did it. Like this one time I almost got into a car accident, but I dont remember what I did at the time but I saved the car from losing control. But in that moment my brain took over without me having to think in a sense 🤔. Anyway I thought this video was awesome and I love these type of informative videos of yours! Keep it up!
The first car I bought was an 86, quite a weeb I was. I got other cars, but I drove it the most compared to my other cars. Back then , downhill was my favorite, rarely drove uphill, cuz I was watching initial D at the time. The more I drove, the better I could balance it in a drift. Pretty difficult at first and crashed a lot, but now it feels natural. I hit a guardrail here and there, but that rarely happens now. Nothing beats muscle memory and mastery.
Can confirm it's real. I used to drive on shutoku express(wangan) for 8-9hours a day average with minimal amount of rest time. After 2-3 weeks i would just enter this state where i would be extremely calm/calculative and in "the moment" it was weird and it still is. I can't really explain it. Now i can enter it whenever i want to. Also at some point i started to zone out when driving basically wasn't even looking at the minimap or infront of me and was thinking about life and stuff i decided i would record it and guess what it turns out my fastest lap on the C1 was when I was thinking about what's the meaning of life 😂😂
Senna once said that he experienced trance state when driving, he would call that "the tunnel", when he was on that "tunnel" he was able to perform his best laps. I think that's kind of what the show meant by "fujiwara zone"
You, my sir, are a saint. Love how you were able to explain this. I knew of "flow state" but having you reinforce things in exactly what I needed. Thank you!
This is just so cool to hear explained, I swear when playing racing games the more I think the worse I get. Sometimes in GTA Online racing I would unfocus on purpose to drive better and avoid all the mess happening around, FEELS AMAZING MAN. In simulators I haven’t yet reached that point but it’s only a matter of time!
I actually had a “flow state” for a while when I was playing dirt 4 on a controller a couple months ago, I got so good at subconsciously driving I was in the top 100 times within a week, I would just listen to music zone out and drive fast, I now own a full sim rig and am starting to build subconscious driving most recently heel and toe, very cool stuff
I came to this realization during Top Gun: Maverick. A quote from the movie goes: "don't think, just do". Like you said, there isn't time to think. I kept that in mind, and I catch myself entering the zone when I'm able to sit down and focus on sim racing. Or, when I'm driving, I catch myself being able to do things by second nature, and its pretty cool once you realize what that mindset is like and how you can get yourself into it
Being able to achieve the "flow state" is really a huge advantage. Unfortunately at least in my experience, it's very hard. Maybe it's just general anxiety, inability to relax and fully focus on just one thing, or something like that. But when i do achieve that, it's just... surreal. Feels like time slows down, everything becomes quiet, and eventually i'll drift into a trance-like state. It's easy to see how much it affects. Recently got into league racing in ACC. The races i do bad in, i remember everything about. Every lap, every pass, every little mistake. But the races i did well in, i don't know almost anything about. Not sure what happened. One second i was sitting at the line, waiting to get on the formation lap, the next second i have crossed the finishline on podium.
as he said in the anime I wanted to drive as smooth as possible while going fast so my mother could sleep it’s like takumi in akina he will beat just about any car there cuz he knows what to do in every corner without putting his mind to it it’s the same with shinji on the fruit lines he’s narrowed every detail to it hence why he pushed takumi so hard any other course it would be like the altezza he’d lose in the first hairpin course knowledge is everything that and he did have a rally tuned 86 from he’s father
I was always wondering why I black out and forget what just happened when driving sometimes. This makes sense! And I agree. When I’m good at a track, I’m able to spend more of my time focusing on the other drivers, and my own car positioning. Kind of like tandem drifting but in race form.
I think i really needed this. I've lost a lot of laptime by thinking about how i can go faster at every point rather than focusing on specific points, one at a time
I would add that watching yourself back is an important step to being able to enter a flow state. Similar to visualization you can start to correct your mistakes and create pathways outside of the race. With the advantage of hindsight you can be objectively critical of yourself, as though it is someone else you are watching.
Own Ayrton Senna in the 1988 Monaco GP (I guess) said that during the qualifying after a few time he realized he was not anymore driving consciously, but in a kind of flow state, where the track would be a "tunnel" (as he describes) and he would be just going through it. In the end he made one of the greatest of all time pole laps being almost 1.5s ahead of the P2 driver Alain Prost, who was in the same car as him.
Thanks so much for all your tips! I started playing Colin McRae Dirt recently and I thought I would never be able to make a good racing line. But with your help I’m getting better!
I always tought of the fujiwara zone more like about the peek of concentration but actually its "kinda the opossite (being spaced out)". The reason why takumi was able to keep the fujiwara zone for an entire race could be the he is so often spaced out. PS: 6:48 could you sen a mod link to the ae86 water cup. nice video
Well it is about concentration still it's just that the concentration isn't wasted on pointless things like "should i slow down here?" or "what line do i take".
when i was between 12 and 16 years old i did some kart racing and i was in a local club and i pretty much only drove this course. it was a rather slow but windy course which was very much fun. i trained on it every week and at one point i was starting thinking the whole time at other stuff sometimes even daydreaming while im constantly driving at the limit and the weird thing is it sorta felt super relaxing like a sunday noon nap. i only kinda wope up from it on apexes very near to a tire wall or when i messed something up. i always tought it was something wrong with me that i couldnt concentrate me while i was driving but now that i heard you im glad other people expierenced similar situations :D
This is how I feel when I play Beat saber. Your conscious brain is nowhere near fast enough to read multiple notes and remember patterns in a fraction of a second, and to get good, you really just have to space out, listen to the music, and let your brain do the work.
I personally agree with this of the Flow Zone. personally I had a experience with it driving myself. It was on the qualy of my first pro kart race. I went out to the track with one day of practice behind and I just drive no thinking, it was like a mind switch. My mind enter competition mode and I just drove almost by instinct and I went to qualify 3rd in my first race.
That's why I always said to my friends that the "Zone" powerup in Kuroko no basuke is also the same as the flow state because you're in the "zone". And me myself I've experienced this in the days I played badminton, I entered a state of auto pilot that I just kept the rally going with my coach that day, everything I did just flowed and I stayed in the *Zone*.
"I do not fear the man who has practiced 1000 kicks 1 time, but I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick 1000 times" - Bruce Lee. I understood what the flow state was while playing Fifa. At times when I'm losing I lean back, unfocus my eyes, focus on the music I'm listening to instead of the game and let my fingers do the playing alone. I almost always end up smashing the opponents and don't remember absolutely nothing of how I did it after the match ends.
Image training is super useful and very powerful, martial artists do it to. And those who practice it usually are professional level people in their own categories compared to amateur and beginners
For me with almost 2000 hours on akina, and every other touge from initial D (almost not sure if I missed one) (5:11.6 is my pb in the ae86 tuned) I feel as though I know what the all 4 of my tyres can handle and how I can get them to skid and use the maximum amount of grip and momentum around the corner while still taking the line I intend to, before it even happens, and I do this as I drive (for all the people looking for a explanation to how it feels its almost like there's a moment in between each corner where you kind of prepare and visualize what you are about to do and it lasts like a second in my brain but in reality its probably more like 1 thousandth of a second of a process my brain just goes "oh hey I know this" and does it, and while this happens, if you are used to sports knowing where your opponent is becomes like a sixth sense (So, in a race all you have to think about is not to get drawn along into their pace, remember to take your own lines and don't out brake yourself.). Like, moving my hands and legs is automatic completely, its mostly knowing the layout of a course that's important. As a competitor of sports my whole life, I learned that if I practice doing the same thing repetitively, after a year or so you'll get so proficient in that action that you can really do it automatically, and getting into the zone state you are talking about will be done at your will. Like, you can decide when it happens with enough mental and physical training in that activity (its a combination of state dependent memory and muscle memory). And I think actually competing and being in those stressful situations is the only way to get that, like you have to make that dumb mistake that loses you everything to get it. Like, the stress of not wanting to mess up will sharpen you into thinking critically, while in this zone. And that's what all professional competitors are doing, so being confident in your body is key. Another important point is to make sure you don't practice the wrong way, or without thinking about it. This paragraph emphasizes practicing the right way more than anything, so correct practice will get you where you want to go almost 100% of the time. A lot of people treat Takumi like he's Einstein with his drifts, but really he's just worked harder and had the perfect foundation given to him by his dad Bunta. So, with enough practice in your pixel car, anything is possible. Attitude is key there is no need to be the best, but be the best you, you want to be. Another great video TSRB. Sincerely, Jeremy Clarkson. Maybe this piece of information will motivate someone, and help someone progress a bit further if they didn't think about it this way. (Christ.. maybe I should be a sports psychologist or coach?)
They say in the hong kong live action initial d movie about how takumi says he needs glasses because when he drives, or races, everything becomes slower with the effect in the movie with takumi driving and everything is "laggy" then bunta knew that he was getting faster.
Flow states probably explain why this is sometimes "seen" as an aura or why Shinji Inui sees the zone as a pair of wings. If it's so hard to describe, any explanation will come out outlandish or fanciful by default, but those drivers that have the mental fidelity to visualize what their opponent's doing can at least come up with equivalences - in the case of Shinji, the best he can come up with to describe the pace of the Zone is that Takumi's car sprouts wings.
I studied neuroscience and flow state for the purpose of improvement, and want to say a few things. While it's very good and important to understand how neural formation and strengthening works, don't bother with it while learning or practicing, it's the last thing you want to think about, it will happen whether you think about it or not, as it always did. This kind of knowledge should help you to understand and create routines for practicing, but should not be your focus when actually learning. Also flow state, as cool and powerful as it sounds, don't try to pursue it, flow will come naturally when you are ready, after practicing and experiencing enough. So use visualization, when practicing try to avoid mistakes, and when actually racing, let things happen naturally and focus on something else, like the road in front of you.
For me it’s all about the control of the weight to properly use the tires and the slip angle. I drive underpowered cars so my driving has to make up for the time lost to a more powerful car. Initial d really helped me to put theory behind my driving that I’m subconsciously thinking about. But if you want to grow your technique, listen to bunta. He’s been right about everything I’ve experienced to this point. Like the theory of driving different cars he has really helped me go faster on my actual fast car.
Taoism talks exactly about this. When you do it in a flow, nothing goes wrong because you aren't consciously aware of it. And just like Taoist ideology, it can't be understood but only be felt by diving into it and experience it for yourself.
I actually understand this very well with my everyday life. When playing video games or in sports, after i do something people sometimes ask me how i did it and i cant explain it to them. I finally know what it is.
Ive kinda went into that zone on my mtb bike. Like 3 years of riding almost every day for most of the day in the season and it really feels like extention of my body and I know grip limits. But bikes are simple and you dont refuel them. I dont think you can get that kind of connection driving a car to the top of the mountain and back every day for 5 years. It would be maybe like an hour a day from which part of it is driving chill in the city.
100% true, example from real world can be lorry and van drivers. After driving same vehicle everyday, most of the driver input is done without any thought.
Loved the explanation about how these things work on a neural base, but I don't think the Fujiwara one is a "flowstate" (was that the word?). By what you've described, flowstate is when you kind of turn off by boredom and do things on autopilot. I doubt that happens with Takumi during races. But you've described the differences between a novice driver having to think about the steps of gear shifting, then a normal driver not having to think about that and they can focus more on speed, slowing down and taking the apex, and then more advanced drivers having the ability to adapt to changes and notice smaller things, like wrong suspension setup, tyre wear, etc. The show already explains it that the Fujiwara Zone is the next step in this regard - the reason Takumi is so fast is because he got to a level where he not only knows the level of tyre wear on his wheels, but he will even be able to notice the different level of wear on certain patches of his tyre, and other incredibly small things that normal humans couldn't do. So the Fujiwara Zone is not a bored flowstate concept, but simply the next level of your brain being able to concentrate on smaller and smaller details, therefore you being able to use every last percent of your car's potential.
@@TSRB Then it isn't what you've just described in the video. In the video you've descriped that boredom state where whatever you're doing, your mind switches off and when you come back to your senses, you're unable to recall what you've just did. Like reading a book and suddenly realizing you've read two pages without paying any attention, or driving on a long highway and not paying proper attention for minutes. Or in your case, driving in the simulator without actually paying attention, because you've been doing it so long that your brain switches off. That's not hyperfocus, just boredom.
excellent video. i always thought the 'teleporting cars' was the opponents expectations of what the car is capable of and then the teleport or dash is the car exceeding it. that's why they're always surprised when it happens
Yes this is quite accurate, sometime while I’m playing sim racing games, I end up keeping a straight face and just automatically know what to do because of this state, but it also has to do with muscle memory and repetition
Seriously been witnessing my mental programming the last couple days! I've never driven a RWD car in my life until a year ago but not during the winter... until this week! I found my car to be extra tail happy on snow covered turns! Yet with no irl experience with this I still instinctively let the wheel out and control my foot to bring the car back under control. The only place where I would've done any slide control would've been in rallying or wet races, but the weirder part is that I don't own a wheel and did it all on controller! I usually drive in cockpit so I can see the wheel movement to know how much I'm steering so if you're theory is correct I must've created the mental pathway from that🤔
remember that Takumi drives the 86 with an image of a Impreza much much faster and deadlier in his mind. All he's doing is catching up to the imaginary Impreza that he knows very well because he drove the Imaginary Impreza
That is why I got automatically serious, and then after that I kept racing, I Already knew what to do and still improving it further, and Idk exactly how I do it btw. Like I almost forget I am livestreaming the game lol.
so interesting that schools and life try to make people do work conciously when the subconcious is so much more efficient and powerful i love fazing out when im driving whether performance or cruising it makes everything feel so much more pronounced and its cool to finally have a name for when the subconcious takes over all my actions and i can be so peaceful
You not only have to have mastery of a skill a.k.a being able to autopilot, but you also must be facing a great challenge to enter flowstate. I have no idea why, but if a task isn't difficult it is impossible to enter the zone.
Actually there were times when i was playing MC3 (midnight club 3), and my car was a lancer evo VIII which had it's performance upgraded to the max, everything upgraded to the max, and, this car is a C class car. Yet, somehow, i was able to defeat class B cars, some of which looked like they were extremely fast. There were times where i just simply managed to, and while the zone ability helped me out here and there, because it slows time, there were times when i... I don't know how, but managed to win. A C class car vs B class cars. Of course, it might be possible to do the same with A class cars, which are all exotic, but it is extremely difficult. Basically, it is something that comes from repetition. The reason you have a routine in your life, is because of repetitiveness. In short words: repetition is the key to open the doors of git gud.
I think the first raw version of the fujiwara zone, was against shingo. He got rid of what he was thinking about, and let his senses do the work, practically autopilot. Although its a risky and crude one, i think we missed how this moment probably started the fujiwara zone.
You know for the longest time I have had this argument with my father that if me and him were to be put in a mx5/miata on nurburgring I'd be faster because just know it. Because I have the mental image and have the specifics down. However, I never knew WHY. This channel isn't the best coaching channel for someone like me but at the same time it's an AMAZING channel and set of videos who doesn't fully remember/ understand driving techniques. TLDR, I learned a lot here good channel 86 go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Never been in flow state for long time, last time I've been in flow state is when i play most wanted against razor and somehow my mind start blank when entering Camden beach. And at the end of race i was realized and "damn what i am doing?"
I found out as a kid I had and still have an uncanny flow state as you can say i used to drive around as a kid and in 2022 I have found out i can just go with a flow and let my body do the work
If what you say is right, I've been in the fujiwara zone once. Playing underground 2 on the ps2. I was almost sleeping but I won every race I did without thinking about it and actually finished the game like that
Sim racing is really such a great thing. Especially right now a can afford less than ever to sit in my car all day. But even driving with my rather cheap Logitech setup in my freetime allows me to become a better driver continiously.
It's not about "passing out and coming too later, having driven but not being able to remember any of it" - This is just being distracted. Proper flow comes when you are doing all the physical parts automatically, have no thoughts of anything beyond what you are doing in that exact moment and are only thinking about which next point to hit, not about the driving itself. "and now I put the front left wheel here, hold the angle there, next corner go in wide, front right wheel here and the car moves out..." nothing about how to do any of it, just that that is where you want the car to be.
As the semi truck driver Times when you had to go past being tired. And although I wouldn't recommend it having 36 years expe driven as far as 50 miles Totally asleep And I have gone 25 miles in the same situation in Rush hour traffic without Wrecking. Just because of the fact 36 years and average of 120000 miles a year As trained My stuff conscious To handle my truck
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Simplified version: *you got ping spikes and the opponent's car warps away*
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I've literally had this happen in Initial Unity, lmao
Oh hey funny roblox man
Simplified and misconstrued, yes.
That's the part of the ILLUSION
That's just an addition
The way I usually described the Fujiwara Zone, specifically the ones where Takumi flashed forward, is that his speed doesn't match up what the opponent's suspect it to be.
Like, during racing it would be hard to be 100% aware of where your opponent is at all time. So, during a brief moment where they focus back on Takumi, they would think he would be where they think he would be but in reality he is further in front and it surprises them.
That "snap back to reality" is the flashing forward effect shown on the anime. Simply put, Takumi is just faster than they anticipated.
P.S. love that the video is in 4:3 aspect ratio.
Perfect explanation.
It's scientifically proven, there's an interesting easy experiment - no matter how good your reaction time and mind training is, if you look at a usual clock (the one that goes tuk tuk and moves it's hand just 60 times in one minute) and look back at in in 5 seconds, the clock hand will stay in your perception just for a millisecond or so longer, before actually moving and coming to usual perceived speed
It's hard to explain but it's basically irl ping
@@yobrethren So that's what it is? That's very interesting, I thought that was the seconds hand getting stuck for a second due to a dying battery, lol
@@Cr4z3d hahah, maybe dying battery does have something to do with it
But otherwise it works with everything, with stoplights, with people on the street and with cars
@@yobrethren Vsause made a video of it
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After the flow state the best thing is when you realise what you just did and you get surprised from your performance though it’s the worst thing as well because it’s harder to get back to the state, it can be a double edged knife
Or you become overconfident and push too hard afterwards.
Can't beat mastery earned through proper repetition! I like this explanation because this pretty much sums up most things about honing your skills in anything. It really speaks to me because I'm a pretty experienced guitar player(I can play without thinking too just like the explanation in the vid) and boy the amount of repetition I did and the time I used to reach where I am is absurd thinking about it now. Everything you learn can be done without thinking as long as you do your practice, and anyone can reach their own "Fujiwara Zone".
Great video!
I've driven on akina for a while now and numerous times i've been in the zone, but i was slow anyways, it wasnt until i watched your how to touge and techniques videos and practice more that i could hit near perfect slip angles and drifts without even thinking and improved a lot. I still have a long way to go tho
So thanks a lot and keep up the good work, ill continue to support you
Basically, do, don't think. I've had similar moments on Akina when I've done the same.
@@Cr4z3d yea it's like once u start trying is when you mess up
Sick name bro
my name is also rafael lol
hit up Usui pass for fun times.
this is your coolest video yet. i love when people talk about the mental process and the spirituality of driving near the limit.
I can feel the keyboard warriors charging here to go "iTs NoT rEaL iTs JuSt PlOt AmOuR!"
Well all they have to do is watch the vid to see there's a real life explanation for it, but they never do lol
Keyboard zone
I've had this happen to me I'll. I was driving on a back road and all I really remember is looking at the speedometer.
I think in the anime isn't well made, it looks like that animation would make sense if it was in the manga, but i'm still reading it
nice pfp
I love how you explained this, but the anime overexaggerated that concept as if Takumi's the only ever person to attain it.
In a way... He was the only one who could experience it like he does on Akina... Noone but Bunta can claim more time on those roads
@@DMICFTL also bunta told that drivers are less experienced nowadays,,,
Every one of the good drivers in Initial D do it to some extent, Takumi just gets so much deeper into flow than anyone else making it barely recognizable
@ArulVon Fadhilah nah, he learned it from Takumi but his brother explains how Takumi does that but most of the time Keisuke did not even do what Takumi can do instead he just do what he can do like Takumi did plus he is a hillclimb expert
@@toptextbottomtext3062 as Takamine friends and even bunta said, hes not the smartest probably meaning he doesn't overthink things either so it's probably easier for him by default
This video just explained everything I basically do, whenever I'm driving on my steering wheel setup with my friend I always tell him it's not my mind that's making me drive, but my arms and legs. My mind doesn't do nothing it's just blank every time I go for a run on the setup
That’s literally so true, I found I drive better when I’m not concentrating on racing, I’ll have my headphones in really concentrating mentally on a song/podcast or something, and I let my body just move and drive
@@justadummy8076 Yup but when when you find one of those good drivers and they put pressure on you things start to change for real
Artemis - Elysian Fields... excellent tune 🎵
I've gone into the zone during laps of the Nordschleife countless times at this point. There have been laps where I'll legitimately have zero recollection of me doing 50-60% of the lap. It's something Ayrton Senna talked about, notably in reference to some of the insane qualifying laps and general laps he'd done in his career.
Yeah you can perhaps see yourself doing a sub 7 min nordschleife, but you don't really remember how you did that. It make sense, try watching disney movie "soul". It's all connected with this video, and the fujiwara zone
What a tune! Love the old classics he uses!
THIS! THIS IS THAT ONE VIDEO I NEEDED MAN! Every time somebody talks shit about Fifth Stage, I'm tired of giving Shakespearean paragraphs explaining it. Thanks a lot for this video!
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@@MrGuardrail SHUUUTTTTT
Ikr man too much even for me. I love drama but this shi way too much to explain
Didnt 5th stage literally make up the Miata has issues with controlling oversteer (LOL)
I remember first watching Initial D and thinking about how bullshit Fujiwara Zone was, after all the cool techniques like gutter dropping and blind attacks, Fujiwara Zone felt like a cop out.
But then I started sim driving, and eventually I got better and started to put headphones in and listen to music/podcasts whilst driving, and I found that the less concentrated on driving I was, the better I was.
So I started concentrating more on what I was hearing in my headphones than concentrating on the driving and my lap times fell and fell, basically I was just letting my body do it’s thing because my mental power is all used up already and it made me a more natural driver with better braking, handling and even drifting around corners smoothly.
The issue is that "Fujiwara Zone" is a crappy name tbh.
The issue is the way it is depicted visually. Not like a gradual increase in distance between those cars, like would be the case of a driver that drives subconsciously, but like a warp, which is frankly impossible.
The issue is that Ryosuke and Keisuke explained it like it was magic (which shows how insane Takumi's technique is to them) when, in reality, it's just Takumi moving along a line most people wouldn't be able to take at the speeds he takes them at. The dissonance between expectation and reality is what is experienced by the chasers
The Fujiwara Zone has been a mystery to me for quite a long time, thank you for explaining it in such a beautiful way!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Essentially a mixture of muscle memory, flow state and the hierarchy of competence (unconscious incompetence, conscious incompetence, conscious competence, and unconscious competence).
For you TSR and all your lessons, I promise to master the touge and honor the teachings
Or something like that haha
I love this video! It explains a deeper understanding of what I experience almost on a daily occurrence. When I am playing games mostly, or when I have to think quick. A lot of the time I go into a flow state, and I do not remember what I did or how I did it. Like this one time I almost got into a car accident, but I dont remember what I did at the time but I saved the car from losing control. But in that moment my brain took over without me having to think in a sense 🤔. Anyway I thought this video was awesome and I love these type of informative videos of yours! Keep it up!
The first car I bought was an 86, quite a weeb I was. I got other cars, but I drove it the most compared to my other cars. Back then , downhill was my favorite, rarely drove uphill, cuz I was watching initial D at the time. The more I drove, the better I could balance it in a drift. Pretty difficult at first and crashed a lot, but now it feels natural. I hit a guardrail here and there, but that rarely happens now. Nothing beats muscle memory and mastery.
So how close can you get to a guardrail without touching?
On some occasions, maybe like 1-2 inches or a just a tap...
@@chilledout_5486 nice, I play GTS with a
Ps4 remote and sometimes I can get within 3 inches
Can confirm it's real.
I used to drive on shutoku express(wangan) for 8-9hours a day average with minimal amount of rest time. After 2-3 weeks i would just enter this state where i would be extremely calm/calculative and in "the moment" it was weird and it still is. I can't really explain it. Now i can enter it whenever i want to. Also at some point i started to zone out when driving basically wasn't even looking at the minimap or infront of me and was thinking about life and stuff i decided i would record it and guess what it turns out my fastest lap on the C1 was when I was thinking about what's the meaning of life 😂😂
Senna once said that he experienced trance state when driving, he would call that "the tunnel", when he was on that "tunnel" he was able to perform his best laps. I think that's kind of what the show meant by "fujiwara zone"
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You, my sir, are a saint. Love how you were able to explain this. I knew of "flow state" but having you reinforce things in exactly what I needed. Thank you!
It's basically a high concept combination of flow state and ultra instinct and makes just as much sense
This is just so cool to hear explained, I swear when playing racing games the more I think the worse I get. Sometimes in GTA Online racing I would unfocus on purpose to drive better and avoid all the mess happening around, FEELS AMAZING MAN. In simulators I haven’t yet reached that point but it’s only a matter of time!
i created my own zone is gaurdrail zone
Do you play Forza by chance?
@@TSRB maybe it's nakazato?
I got a better zone. It’s called totalled car zone
I actually had a “flow state” for a while when I was playing dirt 4 on a controller a couple months ago, I got so good at subconsciously driving I was in the top 100 times within a week, I would just listen to music zone out and drive fast, I now own a full sim rig and am starting to build subconscious driving most recently heel and toe, very cool stuff
RBR is waiting for you
I came to this realization during Top Gun: Maverick. A quote from the movie goes: "don't think, just do". Like you said, there isn't time to think. I kept that in mind, and I catch myself entering the zone when I'm able to sit down and focus on sim racing. Or, when I'm driving, I catch myself being able to do things by second nature, and its pretty cool once you realize what that mindset is like and how you can get yourself into it
I love that tōge is still alive in game and on tracks like gunsai
Being able to achieve the "flow state" is really a huge advantage.
Unfortunately at least in my experience, it's very hard. Maybe it's just general anxiety, inability to relax and fully focus on just one thing, or something like that.
But when i do achieve that, it's just... surreal. Feels like time slows down, everything becomes quiet, and eventually i'll drift into a trance-like state.
It's easy to see how much it affects. Recently got into league racing in ACC. The races i do bad in, i remember everything about. Every lap, every pass, every little mistake. But the races i did well in, i don't know almost anything about. Not sure what happened. One second i was sitting at the line, waiting to get on the formation lap, the next second i have crossed the finishline on podium.
I've entered the fujiwara zone a couple times when sim racing.
Everything feels so natural because I've done it so much.
Can you explain about no brake driving, a technique that used by takumi's final opponent, Shinji Inui?
its an over exaggerated term. they really mean ‘minimal braking’
he does brake, just minimal. not really a hard to learn technique behind it, just driving a lot of the same tracks
Here only thing u should do is not brake!😁
Scuba Steve did it
as he said in the anime I wanted to drive as smooth as possible while going fast so my mother could sleep it’s like takumi in akina he will beat just about any car there cuz he knows what to do in every corner without putting his mind to it it’s the same with shinji on the fruit lines he’s narrowed every detail to it hence why he pushed takumi so hard any other course it would be like the altezza he’d lose in the first hairpin course knowledge is everything that and he did have a rally tuned 86 from he’s father
I was always wondering why I black out and forget what just happened when driving sometimes. This makes sense! And I agree. When I’m good at a track, I’m able to spend more of my time focusing on the other drivers, and my own car positioning. Kind of like tandem drifting but in race form.
I think i really needed this. I've lost a lot of laptime by thinking about how i can go faster at every point rather than focusing on specific points, one at a time
You can focus on them but dont think about how are you gonna take it. Just try to like do it better than before.
forgot i was on max volume and jumpscared me
I would add that watching yourself back is an important step to being able to enter a flow state.
Similar to visualization you can start to correct your mistakes and create pathways outside of the race. With the advantage of hindsight you can be objectively critical of yourself, as though it is someone else you are watching.
Awesome video bro! Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
Own Ayrton Senna in the 1988 Monaco GP (I guess) said that during the qualifying after a few time he realized he was not anymore driving consciously, but in a kind of flow state, where the track would be a "tunnel" (as he describes) and he would be just going through it. In the end he made one of the greatest of all time pole laps being almost 1.5s ahead of the P2 driver Alain Prost, who was in the same car as him.
The monkey explanation cracked me up
Thanks so much for all your tips! I started playing Colin McRae Dirt recently and I thought I would never be able to make a good racing line. But with your help I’m getting better!
I always tought of the fujiwara zone more like about the peek of concentration but actually its "kinda the opossite (being spaced out)". The reason why takumi was able to keep the fujiwara zone for an entire race could be the he is so often spaced out.
PS: 6:48 could you sen a mod link to the ae86 water cup. nice video
Well it is about concentration still it's just that the concentration isn't wasted on pointless things like "should i slow down here?" or "what line do i take".
when i was between 12 and 16 years old i did some kart racing and i was in a local club and i pretty much only drove this course. it was a rather slow but windy course which was very much fun. i trained on it every week and at one point i was starting thinking the whole time at other stuff sometimes even daydreaming while im constantly driving at the limit and the weird thing is it sorta felt super relaxing like a sunday noon nap. i only kinda wope up from it on apexes very near to a tire wall or when i messed something up. i always tought it was something wrong with me that i couldnt concentrate me while i was driving but now that i heard you im glad other people expierenced similar situations :D
This is how I feel when I play Beat saber. Your conscious brain is nowhere near fast enough to read multiple notes and remember patterns in a fraction of a second, and to get good, you really just have to space out, listen to the music, and let your brain do the work.
Instantly sending this to my friend who has troubles improving, great video
Ok so basically drive a car so much that you do it without thinking about it so you can think about your surroundings and how to win
Yes
Super underrated creator. Keep up the great work, man
I personally agree with this of the Flow Zone. personally I had a experience with it driving myself. It was on the qualy of my first pro kart race. I went out to the track with one day of practice behind and I just drive no thinking, it was like a mind switch. My mind enter competition mode and I just drove almost by instinct and I went to qualify 3rd in my first race.
This channel is underrated
That's why I always said to my friends that the "Zone" powerup in Kuroko no basuke is also the same as the flow state because you're in the "zone". And me myself I've experienced this in the days I played badminton, I entered a state of auto pilot that I just kept the rally going with my coach that day, everything I did just flowed and I stayed in the *Zone*.
Finally, someone that actually understands the Fujiwara Zone
"I do not fear the man who has practiced 1000 kicks 1 time, but I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick 1000 times" - Bruce Lee.
I understood what the flow state was while playing Fifa. At times when I'm losing I lean back, unfocus my eyes, focus on the music I'm listening to instead of the game and let my fingers do the playing alone. I almost always end up smashing the opponents and don't remember absolutely nothing of how I did it after the match ends.
Image training is super useful and very powerful, martial artists do it to. And those who practice it usually are professional level people in their own categories compared to amateur and beginners
In my Civic I got this thing called the Shingo Zone.
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For me with almost 2000 hours on akina, and every other touge from initial D (almost not sure if I missed one) (5:11.6 is my pb in the ae86 tuned) I feel as though I know what the all 4 of my tyres can handle and how I can get them to skid and use the maximum amount of grip and momentum around the corner while still taking the line I intend to, before it even happens, and I do this as I drive (for all the people looking for a explanation to how it feels its almost like there's a moment in between each corner where you kind of prepare and visualize what you are about to do and it lasts like a second in my brain but in reality its probably more like 1 thousandth of a second of a process my brain just goes "oh hey I know this" and does it, and while this happens, if you are used to sports knowing where your opponent is becomes like a sixth sense (So, in a race all you have to think about is not to get drawn along into their pace, remember to take your own lines and don't out brake yourself.). Like, moving my hands and legs is automatic completely, its mostly knowing the layout of a course that's important. As a competitor of sports my whole life, I learned that if I practice doing the same thing repetitively, after a year or so you'll get so proficient in that action that you can really do it automatically, and getting into the zone state you are talking about will be done at your will. Like, you can decide when it happens with enough mental and physical training in that activity (its a combination of state dependent memory and muscle memory). And I think actually competing and being in those stressful situations is the only way to get that, like you have to make that dumb mistake that loses you everything to get it. Like, the stress of not wanting to mess up will sharpen you into thinking critically, while in this zone. And that's what all professional competitors are doing, so being confident in your body is key.
Another important point is to make sure you don't practice the wrong way, or without thinking about it. This paragraph emphasizes practicing the right way more than anything, so correct practice will get you where you want to go almost 100% of the time.
A lot of people treat Takumi like he's Einstein with his drifts, but really he's just worked harder and had the perfect foundation given to him by his dad Bunta. So, with enough practice in your pixel car, anything is possible. Attitude is key there is no need to be the best, but be the best you, you want to be.
Another great video TSRB.
Sincerely, Jeremy Clarkson.
Maybe this piece of information will motivate someone, and help someone progress a bit further if they didn't think about it this way. (Christ.. maybe I should be a sports psychologist or coach?)
They say in the hong kong live action initial d movie about how takumi says he needs glasses because when he drives, or races, everything becomes slower with the effect in the movie with takumi driving and everything is "laggy" then bunta knew that he was getting faster.
You just described what sports psychologist due. Nice job. Loved the detail
Flow states probably explain why this is sometimes "seen" as an aura or why Shinji Inui sees the zone as a pair of wings. If it's so hard to describe, any explanation will come out outlandish or fanciful by default, but those drivers that have the mental fidelity to visualize what their opponent's doing can at least come up with equivalences - in the case of Shinji, the best he can come up with to describe the pace of the Zone is that Takumi's car sprouts wings.
I studied neuroscience and flow state for the purpose of improvement, and want to say a few things.
While it's very good and important to understand how neural formation and strengthening works, don't bother with it while learning or practicing, it's the last thing you want to think about, it will happen whether you think about it or not, as it always did. This kind of knowledge should help you to understand and create routines for practicing, but should not be your focus when actually learning.
Also flow state, as cool and powerful as it sounds, don't try to pursue it, flow will come naturally when you are ready, after practicing and experiencing enough.
So use visualization, when practicing try to avoid mistakes, and when actually racing, let things happen naturally and focus on something else, like the road in front of you.
Its basically ultra instinct of Takumi Fujiwara
I love this explanation, i've always been confused on what the Fujiwara Zone was. This helped alot
For me it’s all about the control of the weight to properly use the tires and the slip angle. I drive underpowered cars so my driving has to make up for the time lost to a more powerful car. Initial d really helped me to put theory behind my driving that I’m subconsciously thinking about. But if you want to grow your technique, listen to bunta. He’s been right about everything I’ve experienced to this point. Like the theory of driving different cars he has really helped me go faster on my actual fast car.
Taoism talks exactly about this. When you do it in a flow, nothing goes wrong because you aren't consciously aware of it. And just like Taoist ideology, it can't be understood but only be felt by diving into it and experience it for yourself.
Ernest Tsygankov described it in more laconic way: «You can drive fast and very fast. You can drive very fast on reflexes only».
In initial d royduke said that takumi can use the best part of the tire only when he's sliding
Nice video bud you do soo good video nice explaining
I actually understand this very well with my everyday life. When playing video games or in sports, after i do something people sometimes ask me how i did it and i cant explain it to them. I finally know what it is.
Ive kinda went into that zone on my mtb bike. Like 3 years of riding almost every day for most of the day in the season and it really feels like extention of my body and I know grip limits. But bikes are simple and you dont refuel them. I dont think you can get that kind of connection driving a car to the top of the mountain and back every day for 5 years. It would be maybe like an hour a day from which part of it is driving chill in the city.
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100% true, example from real world can be lorry and van drivers. After driving same vehicle everyday, most of the driver input is done without any thought.
Then there's Bunta, who's able to do anything with his eyes closed.
Loved the explanation about how these things work on a neural base, but I don't think the Fujiwara one is a "flowstate" (was that the word?). By what you've described, flowstate is when you kind of turn off by boredom and do things on autopilot. I doubt that happens with Takumi during races.
But you've described the differences between a novice driver having to think about the steps of gear shifting, then a normal driver not having to think about that and they can focus more on speed, slowing down and taking the apex, and then more advanced drivers having the ability to adapt to changes and notice smaller things, like wrong suspension setup, tyre wear, etc. The show already explains it that the Fujiwara Zone is the next step in this regard - the reason Takumi is so fast is because he got to a level where he not only knows the level of tyre wear on his wheels, but he will even be able to notice the different level of wear on certain patches of his tyre, and other incredibly small things that normal humans couldn't do.
So the Fujiwara Zone is not a bored flowstate concept, but simply the next level of your brain being able to concentrate on smaller and smaller details, therefore you being able to use every last percent of your car's potential.
flow state isn't boredom, it's hyperfocus
@@TSRB Then it isn't what you've just described in the video. In the video you've descriped that boredom state where whatever you're doing, your mind switches off and when you come back to your senses, you're unable to recall what you've just did. Like reading a book and suddenly realizing you've read two pages without paying any attention, or driving on a long highway and not paying proper attention for minutes. Or in your case, driving in the simulator without actually paying attention, because you've been doing it so long that your brain switches off. That's not hyperfocus, just boredom.
excellent video. i always thought the 'teleporting cars' was the opponents expectations of what the car is capable of and then the teleport or dash is the car exceeding it. that's why they're always surprised when it happens
Yes this is quite accurate, sometime while I’m playing sim racing games, I end up keeping a straight face and just automatically know what to do because of this state, but it also has to do with muscle memory and repetition
5:30 the flow state is really ultra instinct🤯
Seriously been witnessing my mental programming the last couple days!
I've never driven a RWD car in my life until a year ago but not during the winter... until this week! I found my car to be extra tail happy on snow covered turns! Yet with no irl experience with this I still instinctively let the wheel out and control my foot to bring the car back under control. The only place where I would've done any slide control would've been in rallying or wet races, but the weirder part is that I don't own a wheel and did it all on controller! I usually drive in cockpit so I can see the wheel movement to know how much I'm steering so if you're theory is correct I must've created the mental pathway from that🤔
I drived on sim racing track , i can confirm i have been in the zone when i beat a record and getting times i never ever got before ,
remember that Takumi drives the 86 with an image of a Impreza much much faster and deadlier in his mind. All he's doing is catching up to the imaginary Impreza that he knows very well because he drove the Imaginary Impreza
That is why I got automatically serious, and then after that I kept racing, I Already knew what to do and still improving it further, and Idk exactly how I do it btw. Like I almost forget I am livestreaming the game lol.
so interesting that schools and life try to make people do work conciously when the subconcious is so much more efficient and powerful i love fazing out when im driving whether performance or cruising it makes everything feel so much more pronounced and its cool to finally have a name for when the subconcious takes over all my actions and i can be so peaceful
You not only have to have mastery of a skill a.k.a being able to autopilot, but you also must be facing a great challenge to enter flowstate. I have no idea why, but if a task isn't difficult it is impossible to enter the zone.
Yeah you cant race a fuxing noob and expect not to crash Just racing with him lmao
So this explains why I'm always either listening to music or talking to myself when I'm sim racing
Actually there were times when i was playing MC3 (midnight club 3), and my car was a lancer evo VIII which had it's performance upgraded to the max, everything upgraded to the max, and, this car is a C class car.
Yet, somehow, i was able to defeat class B cars, some of which looked like they were extremely fast. There were times where i just simply managed to, and while the zone ability helped me out here and there, because it slows time, there were times when i... I don't know how, but managed to win. A C class car vs B class cars.
Of course, it might be possible to do the same with A class cars, which are all exotic, but it is extremely difficult.
Basically, it is something that comes from repetition. The reason you have a routine in your life, is because of repetitiveness.
In short words: repetition is the key to open the doors of git gud.
this is kind of one of the greatest videos I've ever seen
I think the first raw version of the fujiwara zone, was against shingo. He got rid of what he was thinking about, and let his senses do the work, practically autopilot. Although its a risky and crude one, i think we missed how this moment probably started the fujiwara zone.
You know for the longest time I have had this argument with my father that if me and him were to be put in a mx5/miata on nurburgring I'd be faster because just know it. Because I have the mental image and have the specifics down. However, I never knew WHY. This channel isn't the best coaching channel for someone like me but at the same time it's an AMAZING channel and set of videos who doesn't fully remember/ understand driving techniques.
TLDR, I learned a lot here good channel 86 go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
You have officially explained something ryosuke couldn't.
8k views on content this quality? I'm just waiting for this channel to blow up.
Simple explanation :
The Tofuboy is really fast!!!!
Initial D
Never been in flow state for long time, last time I've been in flow state is when i play most wanted against razor and somehow my mind start blank when entering Camden beach. And at the end of race i was realized and "damn what i am doing?"
You should do a video of you racing down a touge
I found out as a kid I had and still have an uncanny flow state as you can say i used to drive around as a kid and in 2022 I have found out i can just go with a flow and let my body do the work
amazing video thx mate kep up the good work
If what you say is right, I've been in the fujiwara zone once. Playing underground 2 on the ps2. I was almost sleeping but I won every race I did without thinking about it and actually finished the game like that
maybe this will give me some new philosophy in life, great video
Sim racing is really such a great thing. Especially right now a can afford less than ever to sit in my car all day. But even driving with my rather cheap Logitech setup in my freetime allows me to become a better driver continiously.
that's why in mfg kanata visualize the course and how to make the best out of it. With is photographic memory im sure kanata will be great mc
It's not about "passing out and coming too later, having driven but not being able to remember any of it" - This is just being distracted. Proper flow comes when you are doing all the physical parts automatically, have no thoughts of anything beyond what you are doing in that exact moment and are only thinking about which next point to hit, not about the driving itself. "and now I put the front left wheel here, hold the angle there, next corner go in wide, front right wheel here and the car moves out..." nothing about how to do any of it, just that that is where you want the car to be.
literally what I said in the video lol
anyone notice he used 9anime for the initial d clips
I’ve done something similar with that “autopilot” thing. Id be on the highway and randomly id snap back and forget what I just did. Kinda scary
thank you for explaining learning to me
in all seriousness btw tnx
I use this cosmic level technique(FOCUS + KNOWLEDGE + COPY) THIS HELP ME NOT TO WASTE TIME ON CREATIVITY 🤫
when you're driving and then all of a sudden remember you're driving
As the semi truck driver Times when you had to go past being tired. And although I wouldn't recommend it having 36 years expe driven as far as 50 miles Totally asleep And I have gone 25 miles in the same situation in Rush hour traffic without Wrecking. Just because of the fact 36 years and average of 120000 miles a year As trained My stuff conscious To handle my truck