some facebook friends i met from a japan once raced a silvia in a touge with his sports bike. To everyone surprises, both of them are beaten by a random delivery guy driving a daihatsu kei car. Too bad he forgot the name of the car
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had an Alfa Romeo Giulia, Squadra Bianca style, I sold it for a tad too little and I too hate myself for it.. But hey, life isn’t fair
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had a mk3 supra targa top turbo manual and I sold it... many people have the same story but you know what, we grow and learn from that so next time we sell a car we actually think about thoroughly.
Would agree with list but also want to add that before J's and Feed, Re-Amemiya ruled as the best touge king beating and defending against the ones listed.
Hey man, I got the notifications for your replies, but can’t actually see the comments for some reason ??? The white prelude I spoke of is mine lol, and I’m out of Asheville, NC. Some of the greatest roads in the country out here, especially for lighter smaller cars. we’re really lucky.
This Hot Version videos are legendary. I would love to see how this cars compete against European Hillclimb cars. Both Touge and Hillclimb have a tradition of cars being purpose developed for years.
Great video, great cars. But the Seeker FD2 has to be one of the most special cars on the touge simply because they took the hated FF and menaced all but 5 faster cars. The kind of balance you need to build into a FF chassis to be faster than so many MR and FR cars is a next level of work.
great video, the only thing I want to say is that yes Gunsai it's a touge but it's not like the others, most togue have big downhills (or uphills if you strat from below) while Gunsai has some parts in downhill but many others in uphill where the engine it's even more important.
In my area most mountain passes are actually pretty leveled with small inclines and declines throughout like gunsai. I only know of one pure downhill and uphill mountain pass in my area.
Thanks! And I agree - the info to make this list is taken from a small sample size and a very short sector from a single touge. Maybe one day it would be interesting to look at a different touge of sorts that is equally well documented, like Pikes Peak or something...
As an MR-S owner, I'm really happy seeing one be so dominant on the touge. Yes the car factory is underpowered, but even so it is too damn fun. I would highly suggest buying one, just make sure the precats are either dealt with already, or they haven't started killing the engine when you buy it. It's the only issue they really have, as even stock, I've oversteered once, that was in the rain, and on purpose until my lack of experience caused it to snap back. Still saved it tho. Crazy fun little cars.
Amazing video , you perfectly managed to bring up the tension and made fever with the drivers , my personal favorite always has been the feed rx7 and it’s just amazing to see the precision driving and the results !
5:20 well the brake issue that he was talking about could’ve been fixed with either a longer or a wider set of brake hoses for the rear. The added overall volume would have taken a slight portion of the pressure away from the rear. Enough for the fraction of a second that he was talking about.
Dude. Ive never even though of the length/ diameter of brake lines. That makes sense, if theres more fluid theres more adjustability/ delay from braking force and if theres less then its snappier and more rapid.... interesting.
@@DocDucky yes, that plays a role. however It’s not only the amount of fluid. It’s also the expansion of the material holding it. More rubber = more expansion (the complete opposite idea of steel braided hoses)
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies shit i just learned something important. Ive been trying to figure out what brake setup imma use in my 88 a70 but now im definitely not only going to keep rotor/ caliper size in mind but the hoses and their material too.
@@DocDucky a larger brake caliper with a larger piston or multiple piston brake calipers also require a larger volume of liquid to move the same amount of distance. So they also had to make brake master cylinders that can move more fluid out. I could keep this conversation going for a while. And even show how to get more Whp and acceleration with certain brake modifications. Lol There is so much to it....well everything with a car. EVERYTHING has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies hell yeah especially since there's some brake setups that arent even oe or close. For example im doin the s500 4 piston brembos, with either a stock master cyl and 350z rotors. So that setups gonna be pretty odd especially since thats only the front.
Loving your channel & the videos you've been making. I'm thankful you seem to care about giving the culture & individuals involved the credit they deserve. I'm even more thankful you didn't botch the videos as many non Japanese and or non-die hard JDM enthusiasts have done in the past. As your first 2 videos cover 4 of the most important subjects in my adult life: Tsukuba circuit, time attack, touge, & hot version at first i was just thankful that you did these subjects justice with detailed and accurate information & the passion of a true enthusiast. Now watching both videos back to back I'm very impressed & thankful for what you are doing, putting information that took me years to obtain downsized into 2 short videos while still being detailed and capturing the spirit of time attack & touge w/ short clips from numerous videos to tell the stories well. Making consumable sized videos of historically challenging to attain longer video in a manner that will hopefully help form the next generation of JDM tuner enthusiast & keep the culture & industry alive & well for as many years as possible
Your channel is what I needed. I've ran out of car stuff that catches my eye. I've watched all of Hot Version, Initial D, read MF Ghost, Nitro Rally, F1, etc. Your channel is a breath of fresh air.
Love the video, the mr-s isnt my favorite car at all but its performance on the touge is outstandig and the real mvp when it gets to the real initial d spirit. Nearly no mods and a huge performing beast on the down hill, just cause the perfect balance of the car and the high performing driving skills. This is real initial d! AND complete mindblowing that those two rx7s ran the exact same time, absolute crazy. xD!!! Love it man.
Great video I have been watching these videos for years. For me though the techno pro spirit car is a bit of an anomaly, just goes to show tuning and the right platform is sometimes more important than thousands of dollars in parts.
There are so many beautiful things when it comes to the touge cars. One, the top fastest cars are not even modern cars, yet outperform them. Two, the best part yet, they are keep getting faster and faster even though they are already so damn fast!
I love the techno pro spirit MR-S so much, it gave me new found appreciation for the 3rd gen mr2 as a racing platform. Definitely need to build up my girlfriend's mr2 someday haha.
There were other tracks for Touge also. I remember Jun Prelude winning under 280 class. And Amuse S2000 fighting in other final with J's Racing being equal. Those cars were better than half of this list
I don’t get why the rest of the world are so surprised when a Honda Civic is fast on a track. Seems like the Japanese only give them the credit they deserve. All these people crying why is an SiR civic costs more than their beloved Skyline gtst’s
I just found your videos and had the profound urge to comment with the following because you sir dare to.... make the best car culture content I've ever seen.
@@HuntersMoon you can call me Hirsch.Platz Hirsch means word for word " Place Dear" ( the chef ). So u cald me place. 😅 Can't imagine how long you collected all the footage and edit and voiced it. Probably alone. Really amazing to me. Some day we all get old, and you sir can look back of somthing really amazing. Thank you.
I found your channel earlier today and have watched nothing but you since, subbed right away, I have made it my mission to like every video you’ve made, you really do deserve it! Please keep making content just like this and I’ll keep supporting in any way I can! This is the exact content I need, much respect brother
All great cars and to see the spirit and resolve to do the best by these teams brings a whole new level of inspiration to the sport.. if I could pick a favorite it would be the FD with that rotary however the market is premium price and I don't see that changing. The MRS is the most atainable and arguably the best price for the level of enjoyment you can get from it.
One of the best touge cars ive had was an EM1 Civic coupe that had a Frankenstein K24 bottom end with EP3 type R head and EP3 type R lsd gear with full bolt ons making 250whp. Had a catalogue of adjustable arms, coilovers wearing 17x8 235 semi slick tyres. I would have loved to be in Japan so that DK, Orido and Nob could have tested it out
Someone on my local touge used to run a black 996 Turbo. He cruised most of the time, but he was easily one of the fastest guys on the mountain. He's one of very few people who I've seen disappear after just a couple corners.
The roles that the drivers and tuners play in this real touge competition reminds me a lot of wangan midnight's writing. The tuners keep making cars that are fast and let the skilled main characters duke it out.
That's how professional racing works. From Nascar to F1, a team of engineers work on the car and tune it to fit the track they are racing and their driver's style and needs.
Weirdly enough, the weight reduction on that 86 seems just as expensive as a turbo or supercharger. If those are carbon fiber doors, trunk and hood, those can be as much as 4 to 6k if you get them all in one purchase. But then again you can still maintain the reliability of your engine since it's untouched (except for the tune)
I’d love to see a Foxbody or sn-95 or new edge mustang with the “aluminator” engine…all aluminum DOHC 32v V8 with the independent rear suspension, they are light and with the right steering rack they would hurt a lot of feelings out there
Another thing I like about Gunsai Touge is that while a lot of Touges are public road, Gunsai is a closed course. So it’s basically a race track but a touge. Still it’s not easy to drive, so you wanna practice before and don’t push too much to the limit if you decide to go and drive
As a veteran of the Tail of the Dragon in the southeast US, I can tell you that "touge" runs can QUICKLY fall apart. I have yet to stuff it, but I attribute much of that to luck & caution.
I’m not into this and i’ve never seen initial d even though i hear about it all the time, but man it’s awesome to hear my car and my dream car tied perfectly in the top 2, and to hear an s2k takes up two spots in the top 10 brings a smile to my face.
i think nissan pulsar gti-r would be a great addicion to this list. the sr20det engine, the light body, and the AWD system straight from r32. its handing is great on corners, so it should step aside mr2 or 2000k
the TPS MRS and Dk's ae86 were the only two cars allowed to battle with semi slick tires instead of normal 200tw street tires, makes sense because they were down on hp.
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some facebook friends i met from a japan once raced a silvia in a touge with his sports bike. To everyone surprises, both of them are beaten by a random delivery guy driving a daihatsu kei car. Too bad he forgot the name of the car
That's a great story! I have a soft spot for the first gen Daihatu Copen, unfortunately I don't think I could fit in one haha
maybe a charade gtti?
Daihatsu Mira / cuore
I think f1 car quicker
Daihatsu Mira kei B O X
I own an MRS with a 2ZZ. This car is a killer in the corners, with the right setup the snap oversteer is easily avoidable.
Bro I had one abs I sold it I hate myself for tgat
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had an Alfa Romeo Giulia, Squadra Bianca style, I sold it for a tad too little and I too hate myself for it..
But hey, life isn’t fair
@@ghostboyavo8128 I had a mk3 supra targa top turbo manual and I sold it... many people have the same story but you know what, we grow and learn from that so next time we sell a car we actually think about thoroughly.
Gratulálok hozzá, használd egészséggel és sok balesetmentest vezetést kívánok :)
does the stock Mrs have snap oversteer too?
favorite channel!
Would agree with list but also want to add that before J's and Feed, Re-Amemiya ruled as the best touge king beating and defending against the ones listed.
RE Amemiya... what a legend tuner plus Keisuke FD3S in Initial D 4th stage and 5th stage was mod with RE Amemiya...!!!
I'm glad someone mentioned Amemiya
Most people forgot about it
Apparently there was some personal problem between Tsuchiya and Amemiya leading to him quitting the touge battles
@@ArtVandelayOfficial I didnt know about that... I thought Tsuchiya and Amemiya was a good friends...!!!
'Don't try this at home' the mountains of rural VA have some stories to tell about me and my 100hp FWD blasting down them as fast as we could. 😅
Hell yeah I'm in Virginia as well blasting around in my prelude
Hey man, I got the notifications for your replies, but can’t actually see the comments for some reason ??? The white prelude I spoke of is mine lol, and I’m out of Asheville, NC. Some of the greatest roads in the country out here, especially for lighter smaller cars. we’re really lucky.
me in a busted ass civic
i live in northern virginia the back roads here are fun too in my 91 miata!
Rip my EP3, you're still the car I have the most air time with
Completely agree the best 2 Touge Maou cars are the J’s Racing S2K & Fujita Engineering FD3S 👍🏻
you don't have to agree, the times speak for themselves lol
@@Ib-dj6di that’s exactly what I said you mong
The Thecno Pro Spirits MR-S is also up there. With 200hp, you can only go so fast
I think the current Maou is the Assist M4
Amemiya FD is the ultimate
This Hot Version videos are legendary. I would love to see how this cars compete against European Hillclimb cars. Both Touge and Hillclimb have a tradition of cars being purpose developed for years.
Theres an m4 on the channel
criminally underrated channel
Great video, great cars. But the Seeker FD2 has to be one of the most special cars on the touge simply because they took the hated FF and menaced all but 5 faster cars. The kind of balance you need to build into a FF chassis to be faster than so many MR and FR cars is a next level of work.
I'm pretty sure the seeker EG was faster then the FD2 but can't seem to find the times
@@attacklifeuk eg was slower and had problem with understeering ang braking. Fd2 is a King of Civics if they're with stock interior etc.
FD2 looks like shit so yeah I'd take EG or EK or even FN2 over it any day
You’re my new fave channel. All of your “summoning salt but for cars” videos are top notch, love them and can’t wait for more. Keep it up
great video, the only thing I want to say is that yes Gunsai it's a touge but it's not like the others, most togue have big downhills (or uphills if you strat from below) while Gunsai has some parts in downhill but many others in uphill where the engine it's even more important.
In my area most mountain passes are actually pretty leveled with small inclines and declines throughout like gunsai. I only know of one pure downhill and uphill mountain pass in my area.
Thanks! And I agree - the info to make this list is taken from a small sample size and a very short sector from a single touge. Maybe one day it would be interesting to look at a different touge of sorts that is equally well documented, like Pikes Peak or something...
As an MR-S owner, I'm really happy seeing one be so dominant on the touge. Yes the car factory is underpowered, but even so it is too damn fun. I would highly suggest buying one, just make sure the precats are either dealt with already, or they haven't started killing the engine when you buy it. It's the only issue they really have, as even stock, I've oversteered once, that was in the rain, and on purpose until my lack of experience caused it to snap back. Still saved it tho. Crazy fun little cars.
Js racing S2K was the biggest reason why I own one today. Its my dream car and an amazing piece of art and machinery.
Deadly video.
Suggestion would be for a in depth story on NO GOOD RACING Osaka
Amazing video , you perfectly managed to bring up the tension and made fever with the drivers , my personal favorite always has been the feed rx7 and it’s just amazing to see the precision driving and the results !
Look how smooth that FD is at the end with the splits view with the Js. Damn both are helluva machines.
5:20 well the brake issue that he was talking about could’ve been fixed with either a longer or a wider set of brake hoses for the rear. The added overall volume would have taken a slight portion of the pressure away from the rear. Enough for the fraction of a second that he was talking about.
Dude. Ive never even though of the length/ diameter of brake lines. That makes sense, if theres more fluid theres more adjustability/ delay from braking force and if theres less then its snappier and more rapid.... interesting.
@@DocDucky yes, that plays a role. however It’s not only the amount of fluid. It’s also the expansion of the material holding it.
More rubber = more expansion
(the complete opposite idea of steel braided hoses)
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies shit i just learned something important. Ive been trying to figure out what brake setup imma use in my 88 a70 but now im definitely not only going to keep rotor/ caliper size in mind but the hoses and their material too.
@@DocDucky a larger brake caliper with a larger piston or multiple piston brake calipers also require a larger volume of liquid to move the same amount of distance. So they also had to make brake master cylinders that can move more fluid out.
I could keep this conversation going for a while. And even show how to get more Whp and acceleration with certain brake modifications. Lol
There is so much to it....well everything with a car. EVERYTHING has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@Hipsters_N_Hippies hell yeah especially since there's some brake setups that arent even oe or close. For example im doin the s500 4 piston brembos, with either a stock master cyl and 350z rotors. So that setups gonna be pretty odd especially since thats only the front.
Loving your channel & the videos you've been making. I'm thankful you seem to care about giving the culture & individuals involved the credit they deserve. I'm even more thankful you didn't botch the videos as many non Japanese and or non-die hard JDM enthusiasts have done in the past. As your first 2 videos cover 4 of the most important subjects in my adult life: Tsukuba circuit, time attack, touge, & hot version at first i was just thankful that you did these subjects justice with detailed and accurate information & the passion of a true enthusiast. Now watching both videos back to back I'm very impressed & thankful for what you are doing, putting information that took me years to obtain downsized into 2 short videos while still being detailed and capturing the spirit of time attack & touge w/ short clips from numerous videos to tell the stories well. Making consumable sized videos of historically challenging to attain longer video in a manner that will hopefully help form the next generation of JDM tuner enthusiast & keep the culture & industry alive & well for as many years as possible
Thanks for the thoughtful comment, JP! That really means a lot, I'm trying my best out here haha
@@HuntersMoon top notch so far keep it up
i miss when the RE Amemyia RX7s would show up and clean house, RIP
What happened to it
"Touges are for hachirokus" yes, yes they are.
Your channel is what I needed. I've ran out of car stuff that catches my eye. I've watched all of Hot Version, Initial D, read MF Ghost, Nitro Rally, F1, etc. Your channel is a breath of fresh air.
You should watch the WRC. Great action with what I think are truly the best drivers in the world 🙂
Amazing work🎉
You don’t have any idea how much I appreciate this video
Love the video, the mr-s isnt my favorite car at all but its performance on the touge is outstandig and the real mvp when it gets to the real initial d spirit. Nearly no mods and a huge performing beast on the down hill, just cause the perfect balance of the car and the high performing driving skills. This is real initial d! AND complete mindblowing that those two rx7s ran the exact same time, absolute crazy. xD!!! Love it man.
It was a S2000 and a RX-7 not two arX-7‘s …
Great video this explains alot of the cars popular in touge and why they are so great
Finally a video about best motoring!! I’ve been watching their battles for a while now and I rarely meet anyone who knows about them
Great video I have been watching these videos for years. For me though the techno pro spirit car is a bit of an anomaly, just goes to show tuning and the right platform is sometimes more important than thousands of dollars in parts.
Definitely the best car channel ever!! How does it have so few subs??
Why is this the best video ever made? Thanks dude
Haha thanks Fin! Glad you enjoyed it
There are so many beautiful things when it comes to the touge cars. One, the top fastest cars are not even modern cars, yet outperform them. Two, the best part yet, they are keep getting faster and faster even though they are already so damn fast!
Awesome video! I've always loved Initial D, JDM cars and touge runs. Just subbed 💥✌
I love the techno pro spirit MR-S so much, it gave me new found appreciation for the 3rd gen mr2 as a racing platform. Definitely need to build up my girlfriend's mr2 someday haha.
I'm so much in love this stories. Great content Moon!
i take my 2001 corolla to the mountains and surprisingly i can keep up with sports car. feels good!!!
Same with my Prius 🤣😂 people are surprised I can keep up
Is it 2zzge?
@@izzy031096 no, 2zrfe, mine was 2012 Corolla with 6 speed manual
Dude thankyou for this channel.
watched the vid all the way thru on accident planned on doin somethin else lmao. good content bro
Haha thanks!
There were other tracks for Touge also. I remember Jun Prelude winning under 280 class. And Amuse S2000 fighting in other final with J's Racing being equal. Those cars were better than half of this list
Incredible video, thank you for your effort in putting this together.
Keep these coming!!
Nice, i do play initial d too.
This is the far more the best simple story for real life initial d battles. Love it ❤️
I don’t get why the rest of the world are so surprised when a Honda Civic is fast on a track. Seems like the Japanese only give them the credit they deserve. All these people crying why is an SiR civic costs more than their beloved Skyline gtst’s
I rly did enjoy this video! How FN cool man!
Well explained and beautifully put together.Fantastic job.
Really liked the dual screen shot at the end.
EPIC Battle
I just found your videos and had the profound urge to comment with the following because you sir dare to.... make the best car culture content I've ever seen.
Great video and narration. Shared it.
This was way more interesting than I thought it would, very fun and entertaining.
dude, you‘re videos are awesome! liked and subbed right away.
Topnoch Topic to cover . Awesome. Great Edeting and Picture Choice. Keep it up.
Thanks Platz, I really appreciate it!
@@HuntersMoon you can call me Hirsch.Platz Hirsch means word for word " Place Dear" ( the chef ). So u cald me place. 😅
Can't imagine how long you collected all the footage and edit and voiced it. Probably alone. Really amazing to me. Some day we all get old, and you sir can look back of somthing really amazing. Thank you.
Wow I had no idea that it was even possible to get the same exact time. That fact alone is amazing and such a great story.
I owned that model of MR2 for a few years. Really really taught me how to drive. Corners so hard!
I found your channel earlier today and have watched nothing but you since, subbed right away, I have made it my mission to like every video you’ve made, you really do deserve it! Please keep making content just like this and I’ll keep supporting in any way I can! This is the exact content I need, much respect brother
Awesome video!!
You really struck a chord with us car enthusiasts with your videos hope to see more of your awesome videos about car culture keep it up man !!!!!
This video was awesome!
Bro your content is tops
11:56 „SADDEN DEATH” gotta love them good old Japanese guys and their engrish 😸
Super dope video bro! Keep this up forever, very well explained
this is a masterpiece of a vid.....please keep up all your hard work!
All great cars and to see the spirit and resolve to do the best by these teams brings a whole new level of inspiration to the sport.. if I could pick a favorite it would be the FD with that rotary however the market is premium price and I don't see that changing. The MRS is the most atainable and arguably the best price for the level of enjoyment you can get from it.
Sick video keep it up man, earned a sub
dude, these vids are great. Please do keep doing them.
Absolute banger just found your channel and I'm almost done with your channel can't wait for more
really good video, good job.
One of the best touge cars ive had was an EM1 Civic coupe that had a Frankenstein K24 bottom end with EP3 type R head and EP3 type R lsd gear with full bolt ons making 250whp. Had a catalogue of adjustable arms, coilovers wearing 17x8 235 semi slick tyres. I would have loved to be in Japan so that DK, Orido and Nob could have tested it out
Thank you for getting me up to speed on Gunsai!
Incredible coverage! Earned a sub for sure.
Someone on my local touge used to run a black 996 Turbo. He cruised most of the time, but he was easily one of the fastest guys on the mountain. He's one of very few people who I've seen disappear after just a couple corners.
The roles that the drivers and tuners play in this real touge competition reminds me a lot of wangan midnight's writing. The tuners keep making cars that are fast and let the skilled main characters duke it out.
That's how professional racing works. From Nascar to F1, a team of engineers work on the car and tune it to fit the track they are racing and their driver's style and needs.
that 24'672 record is batshit crazy
Another great video!
a mr-s is definelty one of my dream cars
Look good with Porsche body kit
*Thanks! This was a great story.*
Grade A content!!!!!! Keep it going you’ll be 100k subs in no time!!!
Found this randomly and am realizing i already have theses dvds but i dont mind giving the channel an extra view. :)
Great video
Weirdly enough, the weight reduction on that 86 seems just as expensive as a turbo or supercharger. If those are carbon fiber doors, trunk and hood, those can be as much as 4 to 6k if you get them all in one purchase. But then again you can still maintain the reliability of your engine since it's untouched (except for the tune)
Respect for this presentation 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
The rivalry of fujita engineering and j's racing alone is a movie material
I wish theyd do it every year, and i wish it wasnt so hard to find these cuz they have all these uploaded in no consistent order at all
Love this presentation of maou. Thanks 🙏
I’d love to see a Foxbody or sn-95 or new edge mustang with the “aluminator” engine…all aluminum DOHC 32v V8 with the independent rear suspension, they are light and with the right steering rack they would hurt a lot of feelings out there
Great videos
Wow I expected to see RE Amemiya RX7 somewhere on this list, but these are some bonkers fast cars on the list.
Thanks for the great video
Another thing I like about Gunsai Touge is that while a lot of Touges are public road, Gunsai is a closed course. So it’s basically a race track but a touge. Still it’s not easy to drive, so you wanna practice before and don’t push too much to the limit if you decide to go and drive
Love this video!!!!!
The demon king has been my favorite car for a long time and ive always wanted to tune up an s2k to be like it
nice summary. love the s2ks and FDs.
As a veteran of the Tail of the Dragon in the southeast US, I can tell you that "touge" runs can QUICKLY fall apart. I have yet to stuff it, but I attribute much of that to luck & caution.
Just found your channel time to binge watch and subscribe
I’m not into this and i’ve never seen initial d even though i hear about it all the time, but man it’s awesome to hear my car and my dream car tied perfectly in the top 2, and to hear an s2k takes up two spots in the top 10 brings a smile to my face.
So that's why I kept seeing those two cars in my recommended at some point... Thanks!
8:38: "🤣🤣👏 I told him to let me drive this car, I knew he'd do that!"
Well, I think he said that lol.
Love this top 10. I never assume some one would make this lol. 👍
i think nissan pulsar gti-r would be a great addicion to this list. the sr20det engine, the light body, and the AWD system straight from r32. its handing is great on corners, so it should step aside mr2 or 2000k
great video my man, you just earned a big subscribe from me
I've been watching Hot Version since the late 90s
This video gave me goosebumps thankyou 👏
@Ol Scarface himself hmm? What do you mean
the TPS MRS and Dk's ae86 were the only two cars allowed to battle with semi slick tires instead of normal 200tw street tires, makes sense because they were down on hp.
The MRS is the most impressive because of how simple and effective the tuning is