Me too 😂 I used crucio on his uncle, Im no better for sure and I’ll definitely be trying Avada Kedavra 😂
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Our main char is very hypocrite. You can learn Imperio, use it, and then tell Sebs "I don't care, you used dark magic" even Sebs is like WTF and says something like "But you used it too". In my case, my Hufflepuff (first gameplay) did not learn the curses and still stayed as a loyal friend until the end.
As a hufflepuff I didnt use the curses besides trying them when I got them. I didnt use them regularily because it just felt wrong. I shouldnt even have learned them if I wanted to stay true to myself but I wanted to unlock everything.
@@j.rohmann3199 me too and yes i've used them but perhaps on my 2nd playthrough i won't. i wonder if i get a trophy for that as well? i wonder what is different in the story as well
Sebastian was such a well written character. His slow descent from charismatic friend to a person corrupted by the dark arts, and back again! Superb writing from the team
@Itsmemissb123 yeah but our character interaction with him is kind of wasted...I wish we had a morality system to maybe have our character act differently based on how high or low is, for example, I wish my character was excited when she could learn a new dark curse or want more knowledge, go more on Sebastian's side instead of being good and try to be dark but not really...in this game it feels like the dark path was kind of forced in terms of story, the story might work better for someone good... I see great potential in this game, but kind of wasted in terms of story! The story starts of so great and interesting and magical, then at the middle slows down and drags on with the story, then suddenly it ends...and doesn't end in such an unpredictable manner...also your choices didn't change shit in the end, only the last choice matters and even that one I didn't feel anything different...as a HP game it's an 8 maybe 9/10 for me but as a non HP game is a 5/10
Actually, i did the main quest in Skyrim just once, among the 60 save files which i have. And for how much bland the story of Hogwarts Legacy is, it still manages to be more involving and interesting than the story quests of Skyrim lol
AGREED This is also the rare quest where your choice in the end does kinda do something. Since you either talk to Ominis or Sebastian based on your choice. Making this actually have a difference.
Dude after I didn’t turn him in and saw him walking around, I followed him for like 10 min waiting for him to say something but he doesn’t say a word lmao…
They aren’t all bad. I mean Voldy’s mother is basically like Ominis, a victim of abuse, but she didn’t have the support from friends. She regretted drugging Tom Riddle and wanted a real relationship with him.
Keep in mind too that Ominis isn't the direct ancestor of Voldemort. Ominis has several siblings who also abused him. The oldest brother is the direct ancestor. Plus, another non-direct ancestor created the American school for anyone to learn magic and is seen as good too. Bad family doesn't equal bad person.
If you come across Ominis in school he walks around with a red light on his wand's tip, like a Lmos for blind people. Nice detail, I really liked that.
Same. He's the concerned friend. He's actually seen the destruction that the cruciatus curse can do within his abusive family, and he's constantly trying to keep Sebastian away from the dark path. But of course he will never be listened to. Poor kid.
It seems better not to betray Sebastian. Incarceration in the Wizarding World is a fate worse than death (Azkaban, Saint Mungo's, etc) compared to the Muggle World.
The wizard world once you start looking a bit closer at it is messed up in a few ways and not just because of Voldamort. Seriously imprisoning dangerous people to be guarded by creatures called "dementors" never raised the question of whether these creatures would remain loyal? Also while sure every wizard and witch and their mother will claim fear made them fall in line when Voldamort took over, but let's be honest the majority were classiest at best, and just straight-up racist at worst, Voldamort like certain other examples just said the quiet parts they believed in already out loud.
@@SalinaMoonfall When Voldemort took over the Ministry, he didn't corrupt the Ministry. He instead allowed the Ministry to show its true colors: bigoted, cruel, malevolent, greedy, and corrupt. The true villains of Harry Potter are the Ministry of Magic, not Voldemort. Voldemort is a result of the Ministry of Magic's horrible laws. The Ministry made the magical world feel more horrifying and dark compared to the Muggle World in some ways.
@@ryankwon8785 Voldemort presented himself as a perfect savior to wizardkind although he was flawed from the very start. His whole SINGULAR goal is not the damn hallows or even being the leader of wizards. He absolutely hates humankind, wizard or muggle and wants to kill and torture as many as he can while he lives. That is why he wants a immortal body. A lot of people gets it the other way around since he is NO ordinary man and sees it from their viewpoint which is easier to understand.
I hope if they add any expansions that we can see him grow and heal and learn how to cope in a healthy manor. He's definitely by far my favorite character and deserves more screen time.
This is how handling of the dark magic may influence you - you do it instinctively, and later you may (or may not) regret what you have done. Sebastian is a good example of that.
Basically what happened was second degree murder. He meant to kill his uncle in the heat of the moment, but there was no premeditation and he regrets it once he comes to his senses.
I'm gonna ask you this Have you ever said or done something that in the moment you 100% mean but right after doing/saying it or after you have time to cool off you instantly regret it?
"He deserves to be punished. He brought all of this upon himself" *Me 2 minutes later walking around outside to the nearest poacher* Avada Kedavra! Edit: First ever 1K likes, thank y'all very much
I guess I understand that the 3 unforgivable curses are bad and all but kinda weird at the same time. Obviously all evil do-ers use it but I always felt like they were the equivalent of a bazooka in a gun fight. I thought as long as you use it on bad guys it was fine but apparently you will be seen as a monster for that.
@@R3B3LK1NGS It is very weird in the actual lore as well since the curses are only seen as unforgiveable if used on humans. Any other form of practise seems to be ok. Next to that it feels very weird that the game doesn't offer any consequences for the spells.
It's too bad the game doesn't have a morality system where you can choose to be a evil or a good little student, you can just use unforgivable spells on a whim without consequence.
The only good thing about Sebastian is, he's not only a good Slytherin but he's a Slytherin not sprouting the purebloods are superior bullsh-. Ominis is ever the first Gaunt who is a decent human being we've ever met, unlike his relatives who are batsh- crazy.
The whole storyline reveals his deep racism against other species though… that was the point of why Rookwood cursing Anne was so unbelievable for him, as it goes against his racism and puts humans as prime evil.
@@absurdism101bruh he saw goblins during the attack if I’m not wrong he just didn’t see the right person if you go to someone you care abt house and see a dude with a knife in hand and there body you gonna think they did it
@@absurdism101 There is another ending where you meet Sebastian in the elsewhere and it is not shown in this video. Not going to spoil you. Btw on the day when Anne was attacked he only saw goblin around.
I finished the Hufflepuff quest line and saw how bad Azkaban is, Sebastian is misguided but I don't think he deserved to be sent there so I decided to let him go. I also agreed that the fact Anne will never forgive him is punishment enough cause how much he loves her. When you return to Anne's house after you decided to not turn him in, Anne will be gone and she left a letter to Sebastian about how she need to get away from the place for awhile. She also said she will always loves him but she don't think she can ever forgive him. You can also see the uncle tombstone next to the house as well. And if you talk to the shopkeeper in the area, he will says that Solomon "died in his sleep" if you didn't turn Sebastian in.
He wasn’t right for killing his uncle but the uncle was a real pain. He couldn’t just let seb try to save his sister and had to ruin it all. If he had simply let him try, then this wouldn’t have happened
They had already tried everything though, they mention that multiple times. Highly skilled wizard doctors in St Mungos couldn't save her. It's completely logical his former AUROR uncle thought letting a 15 y/o boy meddle with Dark Arts would be a slippery slope, especially after Solomon himself witnessed the effects of using dark arts on other people. And his uncle was right in the end. Sebastian just didn't want to see it. Both the Uncle Solomon and Sebastian were flawed characters, but Sebastian was wrong all the way through the game. Your MC just didn't see it 'til it was too late. It's what makes him such a well written character though.
@@maxmcintyre5068 um. No. That doesn’t merit a death sentence and no one has the right to kill anyone. Especially over something like that. Sebastian was just a boy who thought he could do better than experienced healers. His uncle was right. Sebastian was going too far and was incapable of letting go when he should have. You cannot save everyone. You cannot help everyone. A refusal to accept that can lead to people like Anne suffering. He thinks he knew better than an ex auror, someone with extensive experience with dark magic and his sister, who is the one who’s in pain. She knows it better than he does but he ignores her too.
@@starksandshields5151 this. Exactly. Dark arts and a desperate 15 year old boy who has no experience or any idea what he’s getting into is a recipe for disaster. And it did end in disaster.
I can't say I had a huge moral dilemma. Solomon was using lethal spells against two students who should be about 15 to 16 years old, and the spells I used in response were just as lethal as Sebastian's. They were just 'forgivable'. Essentially it comes down to Sebastian being punished not for the death of his uncle, but for the spell he used, which seems insane. If the game had allowed it, and Sebastian had not cast his killing curse, my character would have finished him. When an ex-Auror is casting columns of fire at you, you're in a fight to the death, and he wasn't listening to reason despite the PC begging him to stop. Sebastian brought hope and happiness to his sister, only for Solomon to brutally extinguish it each time and keep her in despair. He even used Anne's pain to guilt Sebastian into compliance, implying that he caused her bought of agony, when he knew that it came to Anne in unpredictable ways and was nothing to do with Sebastian. That's a lousy way to treat people, and just downright nasty. Sebastian was certainly misguided in a fair bit of what he did, but Solomon was the adult in the room, and grievously mishandled everything. If he had been compassionate, understanding and more of a guiding figure, he could have navigated a way through the story where Sebastian was still allowed to care for his sister, but guided away from the more perilous routes he wanted to take. Instead he had all the empathy of a rock and constantly pushed Sebastian away by shouting him down until the guy was desperate. Criticisms can be leveled at Sebastian, but frankly Solomon laid much of the groundwork and pushed Sebastian into doing what he did.
I just wished we would always get 3 dialogue options. 1 Neutral, 1 good and 1 evil option and make it so your choices actually affected the story every step of the way. Would love to see us taking in the power at the end and getting expelled from Hogwarts OR do what's right and be celebrated as a hero. Neutral ending could be about you not being able to make a decision, but not be blamed or celebrated. Just being treated as a normal student. Edit: Would also love to be able to disagree more with Sebastian's actions and side with Ominis Gaunt instead. Forming a friendship with him instead and try to find a different route to help Anne alongside Ominis or something.
@@hentaitheg.o.a.t5012 Not really. The story unfolds the same way no matter what you choose to do. The only choice you got is at the end, where you can send Sebastian to Azkaban or not.
If you want your choices affect the ending you should play The Witcher Wild Hunt. It's literally neutral, good and bad, which is based on your choices during entire game.
You can disagree with companions during quests. After taking out the dragon fighting ring, I outright told Natty that she was going too far, and she said that her mother may have had a point. It doesn't necessarily affect following quests from happening, but I think it does impact how NPCs respond to you.
YEs and also the binding should result in dating at some point. This is school year and no one is dating. Just not realistic. Our character has to experiment!
We need, I need to continue Sebastian's story. We want to see how he settles things with his sister, be it from turning him in or not. Out of all the side character story Sebastian appeals the most, then Poppy.
The other characters like Natti, the wanna be Ron, the nerd guy and hamid all have the same personalitie compared to sebas it's kinda dissapointing because the game has potential
9:38 When I did that voice line with him the only spell I had left to learn was Avada Kadavra and he was literally like “Seriously you still want to know that spell after all this” 😆 then I was like YUP
@@jonathanoxlade4252 I like your break down. I took the time to learn the curses with my character but I've refused to use them at all. Still toeing the line as you say haha
If you side with sabastion you will be as bad for learning the dark magic with him me ok I sided with sabastion anyway I am already wearing the darks arts gear anyway
i could never betray him. he's a good friend and he's nice and i totally understand how broken he was trying to find a cure to anne. he's the best character in this whole game.
Frankly, none of the friends we made seem to give a dam about us using the unforgivable curses. Not natty, not poppy, only the enemies we made seem to have made note of it.
If you are struggling taking a decision, here is my take on it. Better not rat him out. After all he was the one who taught you all of these fancy spells😂
I didn’t turn him in because I felt like I was the only one who saw his pain and cared about his thoughts and emotions. And I surely had helped him get in touch with dark magic as well, so betrayal would be too cruel. Although he killed his uncle, that man is merciless to him, and he tried to use confringo on us, in our defense.
Yes, but how many times have Sebastian and the Mc defended themselves without dark magic? It had to be a curse like that? He couldn’t have chosen any other spell?
@@mixedbaggamer It’s understandable that a teenager who had been suppressed by a dominant uncle couldn’t hold back the will to kill. It’s not right, but he couldn’t be rational about it at that time.
@HallowsV yeah, and besides, he just wanted to desperately his sister from her pain. He doesn't deserve punishment like azkhaban, he just needed guidance.
This is one of those decisions where there's no real winner. If Solomon hadn't given up hope and destroyed the relic, Sebastian wouldn't have killed him... but turning him in to Azkaban could mean he's never redeemed or that he suffers a fate worse than death because of the dementors (for one) and because there's also that thing about how everyone who goes to Azkaban is almost never redeemed. On the other hand... I don't want to destroy his relationship with Anne and I don't want him to become a dark wizard.
There's also the very real possibility he'll go further and further in his quest to "save" anne such as trying to use imperious to force her to make a horcrux so she can never die. Or he'll be taken down by the aurors when they investigate. That's the problem we know Azkaban is bad but we also know he has commited murder of a family member, was trying to control Inferi and who know's what he's been up to that we don't know about. Its not a good choice but it really comes down to turn in someone for breaking the law and hope its the better choice without ever knowing, let him remain free hoping he doesn't continue down his dark path or join him in the dark arts using them on anyone who threatens you. Me I turn him in and feel guilty like I feel guilty about the poacher I'm fairly sure is still a chicken due to my early uses of ancient magic. I suppose in the end you have to ask yourself two questions (1) are you also using dark magic and (2) do you think Sebastian will regret his actions and change his path or as in the just grow more angry and hateful at all those he blames.
@@liamwarner5749 My galleons are on the possibility that we will inevitably have to fight Sebastian because he’s gone too far and depending on the choice after the fight, whether you reason with him or tell him that he’s just wrong. Both option will result in Sebastian casting crucio at the player and hitting them with the curse causing the player to scream in pain, while Sebastian finally realize what he’s become. (For extra emotional moments I imagine Ominis and a still very sickly Anne coming to the player’s aid while they cannot believe what Sebastian has done)
Uncle didn’t drop dead immediately when Sebastian used the killing on him which means Sebastian wasn’t determined to kill his uncle. He is a good kid and doesn’t deserve Azkerban. Slytherins together strong. Besides I’m no one to judge as I used only crucio and stupefy on his uncle when I was fighting him so I’m probably just as guilty.
You know how often that happens in real life where you don’t mean to kill someone yet you still do? It’s called manslaughter. This is voluntary manslaughter. It wasn’t an accident that he killed him. It was an impulsive decision made in the heat of the moment. And No he is not a good kid after this. Maybe misguided, but “good” is a stretch. Some of you are trying way too hard to justify this. I agree he doesn’t deserve Azkaban though. He deserves punishment and jail time but it’s honestly a terrible criminal system that the only prison for wizards in Britain is one of the most terrifying places on the planet.
so this is quite funny. I started playing as a good guy from Gryffindor. after playing for so long and during the time i played the quests with sebastion, i started wanting to go to the darker side and support sebastion along the way. I actually felt bad for sebastion and could kinda relate to him. Sebastion you're a legend
The reason I didn't turn him in is because if you are a Hufflepuff they take you to Azkaban earlier in the game. I would even send my worst enemies there. That won't help anyone.
despite that... i turned him in... its the right thing to do.. he clearly wont change hes had MULTIPLE chances to change and stop and every single time he goes back to more dark magic trying to save anne... so i turned him in it could only be a bad thing to leave him outside using more dark magic.
@@Lionk-lh3cm you can still turn him in... if you agree with him that killing soloman was the right move and asking about AK after the mission... but i felt very wrong agreeing with what he did... so i turned him in and didn't learn the spell.
@@arcanumelite4853 to be fair it feels more like the player character is manipulating Sebastian into teaching them the spell abusing his state of mind , sure you can learn them later regardless( I just learned that) but the way the pc words the sentence feels that way
Sebastian’s quest was definitely one of the best parts about the game. In the end I sided with Ominis because he had my same opinion on the situation the whole time so I sadly had to turn Sebastian in because I just felt he kept pushing until he went too far, This quest line actually made me feel like my choice mattered compared to other choices in the game.
I actually flip flopped on this. At first i turned him in, but then i loaded a earlier save and let him go, not because he wasn't guilty but because he had already been punished for his actions, losing his sister. She will never want anything from him anymore, and that in itself is most likely the thing that either push him to become worse, or to become better. Secondly, the fact that he probably be sent to Azkaban is enough to convince me to let him go, as they wouldn't do shit to help him and just punish him, leaving him on the road for hatred and anger, becoming the dark wizard we feared. In my eyes, letting him go is a 50/50 for a good Sebastian while turning him in is forever dooming him to become evil.
@ManUtdBoy13 I did the same thing, turned him in at first and finished the game, but then felt kinda guilty and that losing his sister and guilt was enough punishment. So I loaded an erlier save and played for a long time just to not turn him in.
@@ThinkingCap_ We're in february. This game alone has Starfield and the followup to Star Wars Fallen Order, not to mention Baldurs Gate 3... Its a massive year in terms of triple A titles, wtf.
I’m assuming Sebastian still decided to use this relic because his uncle was going to leave with Anne because he asks your character to ask the keepers how to remove pain like Isadora which would have used ancient magic instead of dark magic.
his uncle jsut totally rejects even looking at the tesseract thing out of hand - and in the end it was dark magic thatd cursed her not ancient magic (and using ancient magic cure really wudnt hve been good)
Can you really redeem yourself for a crime by going to prison, regardless if you regret what you did and if you already did something to make up for it? Are there other forms of redemption?
Both Sebastian and Ominis are very well written characters. Seeing Sebastian’s slow descent from a charismatic guy to a dark wizard then back again is so interesting. And since Ominis is one of Voldemort’s ancestors, having him be a good guy who hates his evil pureblood obsessed family is so great. Their interactions are so good too. Ahhh man… I love them both, and I love this questline. I’m so glad I chose to not turn in Sebastian. He’s much better off spending the rest of his life repenting for his bad deeds rather than rotting in an Azkaban cell for all eternity.
I didn't turn him in, mostly cause I was complicit in what had happened to his uncle. And pretty sure my actions are as problematic as his. Actually I never use the Dark Magic, despite being Slytherin, I said no in my play through.
If someone else were to turn him in for what he did, his consequences would be worse, so Sebastian should turn himself in. That’s why I’m not gonna do it. Besides, there has to be another way for him to redeem himself rather than live the rest of his life in Azkaban. A person can only be unforgivable if they died without regret.
Honestly if that relic could undo curses then sabastian uncle was blinded by his rage so we will never know but sabastian was also in the wrong to I mean it's the killing curse and he used it while being just as much blind anger as his uncle had so its a tough moral choice
It can't Sebastion even says it can't undo the curse Sebastion claims it'll let him control it like he controls the Inferi but considering the player has to fight inferi to get to Sebastion that claim is.... dubious at best
@@zeppelincraft1443 sebastion deserves that fate... multiple times i tried to talk him out of what hes doing and he didn't listen.. always acting like what he was doing was right... he deserves a fate worse than death which is why i turned him in. he is too dangerous to leave outside.
part of me understands Sebastian 100% and supports him. but another part of me knows that killing his uncle was crossing a line from which he can never come back from and will live with for the rest of his life. that being said I liked the dialogue if you turn him in, it sounds wrapped up and finished. where as the opposite is like "are we finished? that's it? wow ok...." HOWEVER I think that at the end of the day I will probably not turn him in but accept the responsibility if he ever goes off the handle again.
I'm actually sad that he's probably going to azkaban if you turn him in. He loved his sister & was in so much pain because he's lost her. Now he's on trial with the ministry.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 No, characters who get sent to Azkaban do have timed sentences. Consider Voldemort's grandfather Marvolo who got sent for 6 months but went insane from it.
Bruh, we are so much worse than Sebastian. We literally disintegrate unsuspecting people like poachers and goblins with lightning bolts from the sky. He kills 1 person who was kind of annoying anyways and gets sent to Azkaban while we're allowed to be free? Nah, homie is gonna learn how to really protect us from the Dark Arts. And if he ever becomes an issue we'll take care of him personally. And I'm a Hufflepuff saying this, haha!
@@ComedyLoverGirlBut, I have 9 guinea pigs and dress them up frequently. Also I love tea parties and being loyal to my friends. Haha! I'm too dumb to be a Ravenclaw, too much of a scaredy cat to be a Gryffindor, and am just too much of a goodie two-shoes generally to be a Slytherin.
Sebastian story touched me in ways that I never though that a game about the Wizard World could touch. I've a person very close to me that is really ill, and I can't say that I won't make morally questionable choices in order to cure this person... So I don't get mad or even condemned him for any of this.
Same, lost my grandma to cancer a few years back, I would do anything to get her back. And Seb is 15, he is so young. I don't think he is a bad guy, he just didn't wanna see his sister die slowly in front of him.
It's rather easy DEFEND HIM. It's not like Sdbastian is the next Voldemort and let's be honest his uncle had it coming. He a hypocritic moron. Also you can learn the crucio spell from Sebastian if you spare him
I wish we can make the Sebastian quest has more impactful choices. Like, we could have been that friend that help him from stray from losing his ways but he has to live with the fact he can't heal Anne and the other is, we let him has his way and we get this ending where he loses his uncle and etc.
I ended up turning Sebastian in. Wasn't an easy decision, I don't even know if it was the right decision but there was literally zero need to kill his uncle. I can always justify using the killing curse on enemies but never on family.
I mean, the uncle who was actively stopping him from looking for a cure, threatened him for trying to save his sister, got mad because we were saving Feldcroft from Goblins and suggests it was better if Anne got mauled by a goblin in front of everyone than using a spell? Yeah, it's unfortunate Sebastian hadn't taught us before entering the catacomb otherwise I'd be green-beaming that fucker on the very first opportunity.
He's a 15 year old boy who can't even fathom the levels of shit he's burying himself in. Better stick him behind bars now before he "accidentally" kills some more people.
Yeah but alot of wizards are and to be blunt this was just going to be how it ended. When you meet his uncle actually in game you're kinda just sitting there like wow this guy's a cunt.
Disagree. He has a shit friend who tried to persuade him not to try saving his sister. His uncle is a horrible person who literally gave up on her and Sebastian. Sebastian killed him in the heat of the moment AFTER his uncle directly attacked us. It makes absolutely no narrative sense to be against Sebastian when: 1. This uncle also was using pretty deadly spells against us. 2. Where we have been killing every enemy in the game. Hard to say someone is bad for using avecaravra when we, players, pop hundreds of enemies like pinatas.
@@Solisus he was unstable but we can understand why I would go to any lengths to protect my sister two so I can’t blame him when if I was in his place I might do the same thing and the uncle I think was okay at heart but he messed up instead of trying to help seb he pushed him away out of fear I personally think if he tried to help seb find another way instead of giving up seb might not have gone so far
@@Solisus also I don’t think his friend was shxt the friend could have been nicer abt it but the friend knew what he was talking abt and was concerned rightfully for seb
This is the most confusing thing ever how Sebastian can use Avada Kedavra on his Uncle without even thinking about it. Curses can only be used properly if you mean it is why Harry Potter couldn’t when he used the Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix.
I'd have to say we the main character is just as guilty as Sebastion therefore the only logical explanation is to cover up his murder. We are also just as guilty for the murder. So if you choose to turn sebastion in you might as well as slap the cuffs on yourself too. Striving to learn the curses brought us (the main character) down a dark path. I totally went down this path anyways because the curses are amazing lmao
In the main story line you watch a professor use the killing curse on a woman and the conclusion is “we couldn’t trust that b*” The levels of hypocrisy with AK are staggering. I was glad the devs kinda of touch on that. His uncle was trying to severely injure him and his new best friend. His uncle was a trained Auror and clearly an abusor. He’s 15. He did the same thing that professor did to Morganich - he used AK to win a fight for his life he otherwise couldn’t on the grounds he was morally in the right. Those grounds were barely more shaky than Morganich’s. And also, as others have said, the PC literally goes around murdering 1000s of people in the game while inflicting excruciating pain for sometimes minutes. They’re even encouraged to play with their food by juggling them in the air while slowly burning them or cutting them to death… AK seems like a mercy.
I chose not to turn him in because I felt that if they where real people. 1. Ominis would have been torn loosing his one and only friend and I the player just so happened to get involved in this little quest for “The cure” so stripping him away from his best friend as the new guy didn’t seem fair. 2. Sebastian’s intentions where good, the way he went about doing it blinded him and went as far as killing his uncle but he didn’t mean it, he was just in the moment and people loose their cool when in the heat of things, he even realizes what he did was wrong (shown by him dropping his wand after killing his uncle and his needing to think and rationalize things once we leave the cave thing)
"Killing his uncle but didn't mean it" - "To use avada kedavra you have to really mean it" You contradict your own explanation. You can't kill someone if you don't really really mean it. He tried to rationalize and justify killing him. While i think he shouldn't go to azkaban, he should be expelled from hogwarts and be forbidden to use any sort of magic for lifetime. What he has done is unforgivable, the circumstance wasn't in selfdefense. His uncle just stood there and made him angry.
@@Blubbpaule Going into further detail, Yeah, he did mean it but it wasn’t his true intention, like when a kid gets angry with their parents and yells “I HATE YOU!!!” and runs away, a couple hour later they will apologize because “they didn’t mean it” it wasn’t their true intention “they where in the heat of the moment and lost their cool” and everyone does that. Sebastian “lost his cool” when his uncle destroyed the artifact that could have cured Anne and seeing that most likely brought back the memories of his uncle not giving Sebastian a chance, like when he saved his sister from a goblin and his uncle scolded him almost as if he was saying “this is YOUR fault” which probably drove his anger and forced him to kill his uncle. The difference between his true intentions (the one of simply curing Anne) and his intentions at that very moment (his loss of self control) are what I mean by “he didn’t mean it,” of course he meant it (in order to cast Avada Kedavra) but at the same time he didn’t. I would have to disagree with your idea regarding his expulsion from Hogwarts and banning him from all sorts of magic. Anne doesn’t want to see Sebastian so it’s not like he can go home, maybe Ominis could let him stay with his family but as Ominis has said “they’re assholes.” Hogwarts is really the only place he has and banning him from magic isn’t really going to stop him from using magic, in fact it’s probably going to force him to be a dark wizard. Imagine, your only friends report you and strip your wand away, now you have nowhere to go with no magic to defend yourself and all of this happened because you wanted to find a cure for your beloved sister but ended up killing your uncle because your emotions got the best of you and you wanted to make amends but instead you’re left all alone in the world with no one but yourself, I could see Sebastian going the bad ending route literally after his uncle was already rejecting him with “you’re your fathers children”. I don’t disagree with your opinion if it was a decision made at that very moment but for Sebastian to move forward I think it’s best if he remains at Hogwarts as it’s the only place he has left and seeing how when Sebastian focuses on one thing he does what ever he can to achieve it, so Sebastian trying to make amends for what he did is something I can se him do and accomplish how ever he chooses to do so. I do believe his sister will also forgive him later on in the future. With that being said, I hope I explained myself as I did try to the best of my abilities and I can see if someone think I read too much into it but do keep in mind (for you and others who read this) this was my thought process IF THEY WHERE REAL PEOPLE, thank you for reading this far and remember. “The future is the future and the past is the past” -Sensei Wu :D
People have, rather humorously, pointed out how Sebastian says "you have to mean it" with regards to avada kedavra and later on says essentially "I didn't mean it!" Some might see this as an inconsistency but... well, people are complex beings. I can believe that someone could be overcome with a killing intent for a fleeting moment... but that's all it really takes, doesn't it? To me, Sebastian going "I didn't mean it!" just comes off as him being in denial, not believing he had it in him to do what he did. Also yeah my experience echoes that of others when I say this story was more interesting to me than the main story.
My character is definitely a goody two shoes secretly a death eater. I love acting all innocent and wanting to "help" people but in actuality its a plot to learn the dark arts
I feel like the uncle showing up was a S grade a hole move specially when all he wanted to prove was that he was right and that people just have to accept life is nothing but tragedy. Man didn't show any remorse nor actual parental care. He wasn't abusive but it look more like he just didn't want kids in his life and blame sebastian parents for that. He destroying the relic was understandable as there was a chance it wasn't all it was supposed to do. How much could've been anyones guess. Considering it was the founder of slitherin house that made it. At the same time, man didn't care nor think about it he just destroyed it because it was made from dark arts. He also seemed spiteful regardless of the fact that his nephew was trying to help. Hope can be cruel, but hopeless and forcing someone to accept their death over a mistake of trying to help kinda seems even crueller in my opinion. Sebastians heart was in the right place but his state of mind wasn't. He didn't technically needed to kill is uncle. At the same time still don't understand how the old man was standing for that long. He also had it coming for his choices no different than the choices of sebastian.
This is why I need HL2. He took the fall for me in the library so I'll take responsibility to carry this secret. Killing his uncle obviously is not good but dang Solomon was a pain to deal with, so it's natural that a teenager who is attached to his twin to do everything to heal her. You can definitely see where both sides are coming from and lemme tell you, my character is teetering between Seb and Ominis to keep the peace that even my friend who was watching me play is confused whether I want to go dark witch route or not. The question now is if any of us will crack and blurt it out to someone, or he'll feel so guilty that he'll just confess. This is why I love being in Slytherin House, not only because I've been in that house since the launch of Pottermore (back when it was a fun RPG site), but the complexity of a person's morality is not simply black and white. Kinda like how I will use Crucio on enemies but refused to do it to Seb.
Sebastian is a tragic character, but he does deserve to be reported for his crime. He is the perfect example of "The ends justify the means" and how people will do any heinous deed if they fully believe they're doing the right thing. Unfortunately, the fact he knows all 3 unforgivable curses and willingly uses/teaches them means that he likely won't simply stop using them. Sebastian might grow up, graduate Hogwarts, and even go many years without using those spells again. But he has already proven that when pushed into a corner he will do literally anything but accept that some things are simply out of his own control. His story is almost a parallel for Darth Vader/Anakin when you consider that it all started out of loving someone so dearly that it made them blind to the evil they were willing to commit. So you either have to risk basically letting a future (again I love this parallel) Darth Vader walk free by ignoring all the clear warning signs because he is you friend (pulling a Obi-Wan). Or you make that hard choice of turning him over to the authorities. Because while it isn't the easy choice to make, it's arguably the right one.
I think this is what a lot of people miss. They put emphasis on his good intentions as a reason to not turn him in. He does have good intentions, but he keeps justifying doing bad things to get there. And, like you said, dark wizards like even Grindlewald believed that he has good intentions. Still a bad guy anyway.
For one thing. It would make me a bloody hypocrite with how much I use them so no there. Secondly. Yeah I'm gonna pull the freaking good intentions card there. In my opinion the dark arts can on occasion be employed to work towards the side of good (harry uses imperio in gringotts). I've always found the idea of good not being allowed to straight up kill foolish when it could eliminate potential issues. I mean as others have pointed out our ancient magic and many other technically non lethal spells can cause equivalent damage over time and yet those are ok? It's ok to collapse a wall on an enemy but shooting them with a bolt of green light to kill instantly is a non starter? Look sebastian is a teen with years of pent up frustration at an uncle that recently has constantly blocked ANY attempt to help his sister dark arts or no, he was already clearly a bit barmy thanks to that relic, and while he did attack first Solomon attacked us his friend and attacked back rather than using defensive spells (as former auror he likely could have done) attacking a 15 year old who had done nothing to him (the MC) kind of limits my sympathy there. Would he have spared us? So in a moment of fury sebastian makes a choice he very clearly comes to regret nearly instantly. Especially with the reaction of his sister. Seb shows genuine remorse for his actions. His sister isn't talking to him anymore so he really no longer has a motivation. He knows he crossed the line and he's not gonna go on a country wide killing spree. Lastly there's no middle ground in the wizarding world and someone like sebastian who made a mistake in a moment of passion, severely regrets it, is still a child, and is not a true risk to society does not deserve to be thrown to the dementors.
Is it the right choice to condemn your friend to almost literal hell for the rest of his life? It would have been more humane to simply kill him than to send him to Azkaban. In addition, in relation to my uncle, I do not experience any losses at all. He was a disgusting person. And while the game was going on, I was sure until the very end that Solomon was deliberately not allowing Sebastian’s sister to be save, because keeping her in a state could be beneficial for him, in case he receives some benefits for her. That he is very stubbornly opposed to the fact that he is trying to find a cure for her patient, while he sits still. It is very hypocritical for a player who himself uses dark spells to turn his friends into Azkaban. And in general, snitching is a vile business.
I was playing a Ravenclaw and chose to not turn him in as I learned the Curses from him and would probably soon also end up in Azkaban if he returns my betrayal with confessing that little fact
Really struggle there... However, one thing come across me: Sebastian learnt that because of me, back to the time that I couldn't choose not to give him that book, I knew. Tbh, if there is a choice, I will turn him in but also turn myself in, coz Sebastian lost it once and I can't bet he won't lost twice or more, but I am also guilty. Yet, there is no such choice so I can't betray him, but I am glad to see he admitted his fault instead of turning into the dark even though he will live with his gulity and punishment from his sister.
I used him to get the unforgivable curses, used Imperio on Ominous, told him everyone should know Avada Kedavra, and turned him in allowing Anne to have no one and die in pain. I should be in Azkaban :)
I believe that this game could be more dark and impactful in the story. I think the evil wizards situation should be a thing from the game like in dragon Age where your actios count and you cand do hard shit and be question about it later .
Dark magic is awesome to have in battle, but I'd rather not take it too far because holy shit Sebastian. I get he wants to help his sister, but killing his uncle is too far. So as much as it hurts it had to be done. Better to learn all the dark arts spell before turning him in
Sebastian has no family, Anne is the last person he considers family left. We all would do anything to try to save a loved one if we had the power to. Sebastian tried and began to fall further into the dark arts. He just wanted to try, he needed the right guidance. I didn’t betray him because I understood and he regretted his decision almost immediately. Anger & determination can cause irrationality.
killing his uncle was not with the intention of helping his sister, it was revenge for the destruction of the relict. Aferwards, Sebastian said that his uncle deserved it and that he had no choice. That is no instant regret. I was happy to turn him in for what he did
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@@c.m.8972 He says that because of anger and fear, if you remain a loyal friend, he even ask for your forgiveness and say he would like that Professor Weasley did a farewell to his uncle, it's a sad stroy, he was in pain for almost 2 years since her sister got cursed, he tried everything, it is explicit in the game that Sebastian has not been the same for a long time, the fear of losing his twin made him crazy, broken, and his uncle Solomon never helped him, his only family was his sister and the dark arts corrupted him, he is a grey character. Also he is only 15 he was a fool, and he regrets what he did, after Anne burried Solomon, she doesn't want to talk anymore with her twin, I think all the emotions, guilty, losing his sister, regrets, is enough punishment for a kid that had good intentions but he did everything wrong. If you turn him in, he goes to Azkaban and gets more bitter, every little hope to restore Anne's mental health and recovery of this trauma is impossible, because with that ending she have no family and she will never know if it was the right choice turn his brother in.
@ I feel bad for what happened to him and his sister as well, but still, not every behavior is forgivable. His sister understood that, too. If you don't turn him in, who will be the next person he kills because he is hurt, lost all his family and has a past with dark magic? Being a friend to him did not stop him this time and surely it will not stop him next time from losing his temper
@@c.m.8972I agree. He doesn't know when to stop. Also, he COMPLETELY ignores what his sister want through the whole game. I get that he want to save her, but maybe listen to what she wants? She doesn't want him to go anywhere near the dark arts. That has been said from the beginning. Let's say he manage to save her using the dark arts. Imagine how betrayed Anne feel that someone had to be harmed to cure her. She would hate it and hate him. That's why I can't sympathize with Sebastian. He claim he's doing this all for her, but he completely ignore her input on her own well being.
Yeah Sebastian's story was interesting, but they could have made better choices of him using the unforgivable spells. He used Avada Kedavra when he honestly didn't need to, and crucio was the same thing, a different spell would have worked just as well without killing. It was all good except for those two moments that felt contrived.
I do like that there's no hamfisted right or wrong answer to this quest - you don't get the impression by not turning him in that you've made "the evil choice". He seems intent on redemption, whereas turning him in, "doing the lawful thing"... simply sends him to Azkaban for the rest of his days, no hope, no shot at redemption. The "evil path" doesn't necessarily feel wrong, the "good path" doesn't necessarily feel right. Overall this quest arch was incredibly well done.
dude thank you, finally someone said it, like.... we pick people up and bash them into the ground until they stop moving, we shrink them and step on them, shoot magic into them and make them explode into nothing, at least avada kedavra leaves a body for someone to bury
I didn't turn him in because Solomon went from 0 to try-to-murder-kids-with-fire. He assumed player character was there WITH Sebastian, didn't try to find out if the player character was with or against Sebastian, he just attacked them. I never used the killing curse outside the Dark Arts arena but Ancient Magic surges, using fire spells, the cutting curse, and depulso-ing people off high places are worse ways to die than the insta kill curse.
Haven't reached this ending yet, but I'm 80% sure I won't turn him in to azkaban. Even Harry was tempted by Snape's potion book where he could learn all dark spells like sectumsempra. So, I think I'm gonna cut some slack for Seb ✨
my evil hufflepuff manipulated sebastian into teaching him all curses, leading him down a path of misery. just to betray him at the end, throwing him in Askaban
@@kaydub9095 Well... it depends if you accept that the Keepers are entirely good and correct. They give off VERY strong Jedi Council vibes to me, in none of the good ways.
If I remember correctly, if there were dark wizards in the Harry Potter universe that attacked other innocent witches and wizards, the ministry or prominent witches and wizards could learn Avada Kadavra to use against their enemies who do harm so they learn the spell but only use it when it is necessary to defend. It’s kinda like you learning to use a gun, you won’t use it only when it is necessary to defend.
Feels kinda hypocritical to turn him in while I’ve been using crucio and imperio on every enemy i come across up to this point
Me too 😂 I used crucio on his uncle, Im no better for sure and I’ll definitely be trying Avada Kedavra 😂
Our main char is very hypocrite. You can learn Imperio, use it, and then tell Sebs "I don't care, you used dark magic" even Sebs is like WTF and says something like "But you used it too". In my case, my Hufflepuff (first gameplay) did not learn the curses and still stayed as a loyal friend until the end.
Remember, if character does not use certain skill in cutscenes, then it does not happen in the story 😉
As a hufflepuff I didnt use the curses besides trying them when I got them. I didnt use them regularily because it just felt wrong. I shouldnt even have learned them if I wanted to stay true to myself but I wanted to unlock everything.
@@j.rohmann3199 me too and yes i've used them but perhaps on my 2nd playthrough i won't. i wonder if i get a trophy for that as well? i wonder what is different in the story as well
Sebastian was such a well written character. His slow descent from charismatic friend to a person corrupted by the dark arts, and back again! Superb writing from the team
His kindness made him look like he should’ve been in Hufflepuff.
@Itsmemissb123 yeah but our character interaction with him is kind of wasted...I wish we had a morality system to maybe have our character act differently based on how high or low is, for example, I wish my character was excited when she could learn a new dark curse or want more knowledge, go more on Sebastian's side instead of being good and try to be dark but not really...in this game it feels like the dark path was kind of forced in terms of story, the story might work better for someone good...
I see great potential in this game, but kind of wasted in terms of story! The story starts of so great and interesting and magical, then at the middle slows down and drags on with the story, then suddenly it ends...and doesn't end in such an unpredictable manner...also your choices didn't change shit in the end, only the last choice matters and even that one I didn't feel anything different...as a HP game it's an 8 maybe 9/10 for me but as a non HP game is a 5/10
I also wish we could tame a dragon in the game, That would be cool
All that bone puns he dropped in the spider dungeon made me like his character more than the rest.
People have such low expectations as of late. Have you ever read a book? This isnt great character development and it was written pretty poorly.
Sebastian: "I will be better"
Also sebastian: "Oh hell yeah bro ill teach you crucio"
He is a psychotic Killer lol
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Based moment
Better is a relative term
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I loved the moment Anne appeared, weakened by years of suffering and still incarcerated all Inferi as if she knew a lvl-500 fire spell.
incinerated*
Fueled by grief and rage 🥲
Well spell casting is very dependent on emotions, like the unforgivables so it makes sense why she was so badass
she is incendio master for sure , don't even need cooldown lol
Incarcerated?? You mean incinerated?
This was far more interesting than the main story
Exactly like Skyrim, the main story of this game was just an excuse for letting you explore the magic world like a kid in a theme park.
@@jador9641 spent hundreds of hours in skyrim, but never did the main quest past getting the thuum (pretty much the same for oblivion and morrowind)
Actually, i did the main quest in Skyrim just once, among the 60 save files which i have.
And for how much bland the story of Hogwarts Legacy is, it still manages to be more involving and interesting than the story quests of Skyrim lol
Amen to that dude
AGREED
This is also the rare quest where your choice in the end does kinda do something. Since you either talk to Ominis or Sebastian based on your choice.
Making this actually have a difference.
Sebastian: „Let’s speak again soon.“
Also Sebastian: Never speaks to us again if we see him in Hogwarts
I know! I wish there was an interaction non storyline after or just interactions with him after we don’t turn him in 🥰
*or
Dude after I didn’t turn him in and saw him walking around, I followed him for like 10 min waiting for him to say something but he doesn’t say a word lmao…
@@anyaherring5363you don’t know how emojis work clearly
What? He talked to me at the end in the great hall! 🤔
Ominis Gaunt is such a nice character, I really like him. And thats something when you realise that Voldemorts mother was also a Gaunt...
They aren’t all bad. I mean Voldy’s mother is basically like Ominis, a victim of abuse, but she didn’t have the support from friends. She regretted drugging Tom Riddle and wanted a real relationship with him.
Keep in mind too that Ominis isn't the direct ancestor of Voldemort. Ominis has several siblings who also abused him. The oldest brother is the direct ancestor. Plus, another non-direct ancestor created the American school for anyone to learn magic and is seen as good too. Bad family doesn't equal bad person.
If you come across Ominis in school he walks around with a red light on his wand's tip, like a Lmos for blind people. Nice detail, I really liked that.
Same. He's the concerned friend. He's actually seen the destruction that the cruciatus curse can do within his abusive family, and he's constantly trying to keep Sebastian away from the dark path. But of course he will never be listened to. Poor kid.
I disliked Ominis at first and found his controlling but I grew to like him, he really did want what was best for Sebastian.
Me: That’s awful I can’t believe what’s become of him.
My brain: I can fix him.
my whole relashionship with sebastian was "i want to punch some sense in your face and then kiss it"
I joked with my boyfriend I can't wait for Hogwarts Legacy 2: I can fix him
we girlies just love us some suffering bad boys. Just from a safe distance on the screen)
real
Me "I can't fix him ....but he's useful." *dark lord in training*
It seems better not to betray Sebastian. Incarceration in the Wizarding World is a fate worse than death (Azkaban, Saint Mungo's, etc) compared to the Muggle World.
The wizard world once you start looking a bit closer at it is messed up in a few ways and not just because of Voldamort. Seriously imprisoning dangerous people to be guarded by creatures called "dementors" never raised the question of whether these creatures would remain loyal? Also while sure every wizard and witch and their mother will claim fear made them fall in line when Voldamort took over, but let's be honest the majority were classiest at best, and just straight-up racist at worst, Voldamort like certain other examples just said the quiet parts they believed in already out loud.
@@SalinaMoonfall When Voldemort took over the Ministry, he didn't corrupt the Ministry. He instead allowed the Ministry to show its true colors: bigoted, cruel, malevolent, greedy, and corrupt. The true villains of Harry Potter are the Ministry of Magic, not Voldemort. Voldemort is a result of the Ministry of Magic's horrible laws.
The Ministry made the magical world feel more horrifying and dark compared to the Muggle World in some ways.
@@ryankwon8785 Voldemort presented himself as a perfect savior to wizardkind although he was flawed from the very start. His whole SINGULAR goal is not the damn hallows or even being the leader of wizards. He absolutely hates humankind, wizard or muggle and wants to kill and torture as many as he can while he lives. That is why he wants a immortal body. A lot of people gets it the other way around since he is NO ordinary man and sees it from their viewpoint which is easier to understand.
There's a difference between speaking something out and just thinking about something..
I really liked Sebastian. He is by far the best character in the game.
I hope if they add any expansions that we can see him grow and heal and learn how to cope in a healthy manor. He's definitely by far my favorite character and deserves more screen time.
I agree with this so much, and I would love to see that as well! I love my interactions with him over Poppy and Natty so much more.
I literally went from playin 10 hour straight to losing interest in the game after our quest ended :( Did not expect that
@@katarinas6012 same. I played a second time because I was so sad that it all ended, but then I felt even more sad ending the game a second time 😂
Yes not to mention we never got to date Sebastian after spending all that time bonding with him.
Yes. What we see of his story really only feels like the first act in a whole coming-of-age tale.
Sebastian: I didn't mean it...
Also Sebastian: You have to mean it for an unforgivable curse to work.
i mean he definitely meant it in the moment, but regrets it immediately after
He did he was incredibly angry sure he was shocked when he doed but he meant it otherwise it wouldn't work
This is how handling of the dark magic may influence you - you do it instinctively, and later you may (or may not) regret what you have done. Sebastian is a good example of that.
Basically what happened was second degree murder. He meant to kill his uncle in the heat of the moment, but there was no premeditation and he regrets it once he comes to his senses.
I'm gonna ask you this
Have you ever said or done something that in the moment you 100% mean but right after doing/saying it or after you have time to cool off you instantly regret it?
Sebastian didn't snitch on me in that library so I can't snitch on him now that's bro code.
He terrorized a village with undead though...
Still though. Not much of a homie move, is it?
@@saiyanmgtow Oh well. I'm still loyal to Sebastian ;)
@@saiyanmgtownot really.they were locked in the cave
Cover up a murder is a crime punishable by imprisonment.
How can anyone equate that to sneaking into a library??
"He deserves to be punished. He brought all of this upon himself"
*Me 2 minutes later walking around outside to the nearest poacher* Avada Kedavra!
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Same. I fight dirty in this game!
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I guess I understand that the 3 unforgivable curses are bad and all but kinda weird at the same time. Obviously all evil do-ers use it but I always felt like they were the equivalent of a bazooka in a gun fight. I thought as long as you use it on bad guys it was fine but apparently you will be seen as a monster for that.
@@R3B3LK1NGS It is very weird in the actual lore as well since the curses are only seen as unforgiveable if used on humans. Any other form of practise seems to be ok. Next to that it feels very weird that the game doesn't offer any consequences for the spells.
It's too bad the game doesn't have a morality system where you can choose to be a evil or a good little student, you can just use unforgivable spells on a whim without consequence.
The only good thing about Sebastian is, he's not only a good Slytherin but he's a Slytherin not sprouting the purebloods are superior bullsh-. Ominis is ever the first Gaunt who is a decent human being we've ever met, unlike his relatives who are batsh- crazy.
The whole storyline reveals his deep racism against other species though… that was the point of why Rookwood cursing Anne was so unbelievable for him, as it goes against his racism and puts humans as prime evil.
@@absurdism101bruh he saw goblins during the attack if I’m not wrong he just didn’t see the right person if you go to someone you care abt house and see a dude with a knife in hand and there body you gonna think they did it
@@absurdism101 There is another ending where you meet Sebastian in the elsewhere and it is not shown in this video. Not going to spoil you.
Btw on the day when Anne was attacked he only saw goblin around.
Lmao I’m slytherin and I would be a racist pureblood
@@christopherrodriguez6095 funny until you get crucio'd by a mudblood
I finished the Hufflepuff quest line and saw how bad Azkaban is, Sebastian is misguided but I don't think he deserved to be sent there so I decided to let him go. I also agreed that the fact Anne will never forgive him is punishment enough cause how much he loves her.
When you return to Anne's house after you decided to not turn him in, Anne will be gone and she left a letter to Sebastian about how she need to get away from the place for awhile. She also said she will always loves him but she don't think she can ever forgive him. You can also see the uncle tombstone next to the house as well. And if you talk to the shopkeeper in the area, he will says that Solomon "died in his sleep" if you didn't turn Sebastian in.
he's fifteen, I don't think he would be put in Azkaban
@@mariannamycroft2611 I mean yes he would they were gonna put Harry in Azkaban
er no when
@@mariannamycroft2611 wdym
@@Jdfnvidns when was harry about to be thrown in azkaban
He wasn’t right for killing his uncle but the uncle was a real pain. He couldn’t just let seb try to save his sister and had to ruin it all. If he had simply let him try, then this wouldn’t have happened
He wasn't. However in that moment all he could think about is protecting Anne and ending her suffering
Sebastian had every right to kill his uncle especially since he kept in destroying Sebastian’s hopes for curing Anne or making her happy
They had already tried everything though, they mention that multiple times. Highly skilled wizard doctors in St Mungos couldn't save her. It's completely logical his former AUROR uncle thought letting a 15 y/o boy meddle with Dark Arts would be a slippery slope, especially after Solomon himself witnessed the effects of using dark arts on other people. And his uncle was right in the end. Sebastian just didn't want to see it. Both the Uncle Solomon and Sebastian were flawed characters, but Sebastian was wrong all the way through the game. Your MC just didn't see it 'til it was too late. It's what makes him such a well written character though.
@@maxmcintyre5068 um. No. That doesn’t merit a death sentence and no one has the right to kill anyone. Especially over something like that. Sebastian was just a boy who thought he could do better than experienced healers. His uncle was right. Sebastian was going too far and was incapable of letting go when he should have. You cannot save everyone. You cannot help everyone. A refusal to accept that can lead to people like Anne suffering. He thinks he knew better than an ex auror, someone with extensive experience with dark magic and his sister, who is the one who’s in pain. She knows it better than he does but he ignores her too.
@@starksandshields5151 this. Exactly. Dark arts and a desperate 15 year old boy who has no experience or any idea what he’s getting into is a recipe for disaster. And it did end in disaster.
I can't say I had a huge moral dilemma. Solomon was using lethal spells against two students who should be about 15 to 16 years old, and the spells I used in response were just as lethal as Sebastian's. They were just 'forgivable'. Essentially it comes down to Sebastian being punished not for the death of his uncle, but for the spell he used, which seems insane. If the game had allowed it, and Sebastian had not cast his killing curse, my character would have finished him. When an ex-Auror is casting columns of fire at you, you're in a fight to the death, and he wasn't listening to reason despite the PC begging him to stop.
Sebastian brought hope and happiness to his sister, only for Solomon to brutally extinguish it each time and keep her in despair. He even used Anne's pain to guilt Sebastian into compliance, implying that he caused her bought of agony, when he knew that it came to Anne in unpredictable ways and was nothing to do with Sebastian. That's a lousy way to treat people, and just downright nasty.
Sebastian was certainly misguided in a fair bit of what he did, but Solomon was the adult in the room, and grievously mishandled everything.
If he had been compassionate, understanding and more of a guiding figure, he could have navigated a way through the story where Sebastian was still allowed to care for his sister, but guided away from the more perilous routes he wanted to take. Instead he had all the empathy of a rock and constantly pushed Sebastian away by shouting him down until the guy was desperate.
Criticisms can be leveled at Sebastian, but frankly Solomon laid much of the groundwork and pushed Sebastian into doing what he did.
THIS. I absolutely love his story line because of how realistically complicated it is
I just wished we would always get 3 dialogue options.
1 Neutral, 1 good and 1 evil option and make it so your choices actually affected the story every step of the way.
Would love to see us taking in the power at the end and getting expelled from Hogwarts OR do what's right and be celebrated as a hero.
Neutral ending could be about you not being able to make a decision, but not be blamed or celebrated. Just being treated as a normal student.
Edit: Would also love to be able to disagree more with Sebastian's actions and side with Ominis Gaunt instead.
Forming a friendship with him instead and try to find a different route to help Anne alongside Ominis or something.
Bro at least we have dialogue and it definitely effects Sebastian’s story line
@@hentaitheg.o.a.t5012 Not really. The story unfolds the same way no matter what you choose to do. The only choice you got is at the end, where you can send Sebastian to Azkaban or not.
If you want your choices affect the ending you should play The Witcher Wild Hunt. It's literally neutral, good and bad, which is based on your choices during entire game.
You can disagree with companions during quests. After taking out the dragon fighting ring, I outright told Natty that she was going too far, and she said that her mother may have had a point. It doesn't necessarily affect following quests from happening, but I think it does impact how NPCs respond to you.
YEs and also the binding should result in dating at some point. This is school year and no one is dating. Just not realistic. Our character has to experiment!
We need, I need to continue Sebastian's story. We want to see how he settles things with his sister, be it from turning him in or not. Out of all the side character story Sebastian appeals the most, then Poppy.
The other characters like Natti, the wanna be Ron, the nerd guy and hamid all have the same personalitie compared to sebas it's kinda dissapointing because the game has potential
@CROW _G there should have been less interactable classmates but with richer character, stories, and relationships with each
@@crow_g1639 Leander is the best
Probably my favorite classmate in the game. I really enjoyed his character and story.
such a shame I can't use killing curse on him right after I learn it from him. I don't like leaving loose ends.
@@allansh828 ok this made me laugh pretty hard hahaha
@@BladedBear True
Ominous is a huge character people skipped over
Poor guy. And the fact that he’s technically Voldemort’s ancestor makes it even more tragic.
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When I did that voice line with him the only spell I had left to learn was Avada Kadavra and he was literally like “Seriously you still want to know that spell after all this” 😆 then I was like YUP
I NEED IT TO KILL RANROK NOW GIVE IT TO ME
@@mtpaneguini6118 Avada Kedavra doesn't work on Ranrok.
Crusio does after destroying bubbles
@@jonathanoxlade4252 I like your break down. I took the time to learn the curses with my character but I've refused to use them at all. Still toeing the line as you say haha
If you side with sabastion you will be as bad for learning the dark magic with him me ok I sided with sabastion anyway I am already wearing the darks arts gear anyway
i could never betray him. he's a good friend and he's nice and i totally understand how broken he was trying to find a cure to anne. he's the best character in this whole game.
And he's proper fit
I’m not gonna turn him in. Seb’s the homie
Facts 😂
If you learn the last curse and do a side quest with poppy she doesn't care at all she's like somebody is not scared of dark magic 😂
Frankly, none of the friends we made seem to give a dam about us using the unforgivable curses. Not natty, not poppy, only the enemies we made seem to have made note of it.
@@spencertang5155 And not the professors either it seems haha
@@sunb5738 are they that comfortable with us doing it because of our hidden magic or are they just too lenient? Istg.
@@spencertang5155 I don't know, they just don't seem to react, I spammed those curses during the last story quest haha
Ominous gets pissed lmao
If you are struggling taking a decision, here is my take on it.
Better not rat him out. After all he was the one who taught you all of these fancy spells😂
I didn’t turn him in because I felt like I was the only one who saw his pain and cared about his thoughts and emotions. And I surely had helped him get in touch with dark magic as well, so betrayal would be too cruel. Although he killed his uncle, that man is merciless to him, and he tried to use confringo on us, in our defense.
Yes, but how many times have Sebastian and the Mc defended themselves without dark magic? It had to be a curse like that? He couldn’t have chosen any other spell?
Hell if he HAD to use an unforgivable he could have used Imperio to brainwash him into subservience, still fucked but not as(?)
@@SusanaCanales1 yeah I think it is because he immersed himself in the dark arts for too long and that was all he could think about.
@@mixedbaggamer It’s understandable that a teenager who had been suppressed by a dominant uncle couldn’t hold back the will to kill. It’s not right, but he couldn’t be rational about it at that time.
@HallowsV yeah, and besides, he just wanted to desperately his sister from her pain. He doesn't deserve punishment like azkhaban, he just needed guidance.
Ominis in These scenes breaks my heart 😭 I could never turn Seb in because Ominis being upset hurts more than anything
This is one of those decisions where there's no real winner. If Solomon hadn't given up hope and destroyed the relic, Sebastian wouldn't have killed him... but turning him in to Azkaban could mean he's never redeemed or that he suffers a fate worse than death because of the dementors (for one) and because there's also that thing about how everyone who goes to Azkaban is almost never redeemed. On the other hand... I don't want to destroy his relationship with Anne and I don't want him to become a dark wizard.
There's also the very real possibility he'll go further and further in his quest to "save" anne such as trying to use imperious to force her to make a horcrux so she can never die. Or he'll be taken down by the aurors when they investigate. That's the problem we know Azkaban is bad but we also know he has commited murder of a family member, was trying to control Inferi and who know's what he's been up to that we don't know about. Its not a good choice but it really comes down to turn in someone for breaking the law and hope its the better choice without ever knowing, let him remain free hoping he doesn't continue down his dark path or join him in the dark arts using them on anyone who threatens you. Me I turn him in and feel guilty like I feel guilty about the poacher I'm fairly sure is still a chicken due to my early uses of ancient magic.
I suppose in the end you have to ask yourself two questions (1) are you also using dark magic and (2) do you think Sebastian will regret his actions and change his path or as in the just grow more angry and hateful at all those he blames.
@@liamwarner5749 My galleons are on the possibility that we will inevitably have to fight Sebastian because he’s gone too far and depending on the choice after the fight, whether you reason with him or tell him that he’s just wrong.
Both option will result in Sebastian casting crucio at the player and hitting them with the curse causing the player to scream in pain, while Sebastian finally realize what he’s become.
(For extra emotional moments I imagine Ominis and a still very sickly Anne coming to the player’s aid while they cannot believe what Sebastian has done)
Uncle didn’t drop dead immediately when Sebastian used the killing on him which means Sebastian wasn’t determined to kill his uncle. He is a good kid and doesn’t deserve Azkerban. Slytherins together strong.
Besides I’m no one to judge as I used only crucio and stupefy on his uncle when I was fighting him so I’m probably just as guilty.
It’s a shame because I’m not up to that bit but ima try use Avada Kadavra on him
You know how often that happens in real life where you don’t mean to kill someone yet you still do? It’s called manslaughter. This is voluntary manslaughter. It wasn’t an accident that he killed him. It was an impulsive decision made in the heat of the moment. And No he is not a good kid after this. Maybe misguided, but “good” is a stretch. Some of you are trying way too hard to justify this. I agree he doesn’t deserve Azkaban though. He deserves punishment and jail time but it’s honestly a terrible criminal system that the only prison for wizards in Britain is one of the most terrifying places on the planet.
@@zigsteenine8650Uncle was a dbag
Slytherin a looks out for their own. Even when one of us does something this stupid.
I dont think dying immediately or not matters, the problem here is that Sebastian was able to cast it, he wanted his uncle dead
so this is quite funny. I started playing as a good guy from Gryffindor. after playing for so long and during the time i played the quests with sebastion, i started wanting to go to the darker side and support sebastion along the way. I actually felt bad for sebastion and could kinda relate to him. Sebastion you're a legend
SebastiAn*
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Eww a gryffindor
@@don_giovanie4707 fk off slytherin. Ps: I'm also slytherin.
@@don_giovanie4707I'm Ravenclaw
The reason I didn't turn him in is because if you are a Hufflepuff they take you to Azkaban earlier in the game. I would even send my worst enemies there. That won't help anyone.
despite that... i turned him in... its the right thing to do.. he clearly wont change hes had MULTIPLE chances to change and stop and every single time he goes back to more dark magic trying to save anne... so i turned him in it could only be a bad thing to leave him outside using more dark magic.
@@arcanumelite4853 I’m not gonna turn him in cause I wanna learn the spell 😂
@@Lionk-lh3cm you can still turn him in... if you agree with him that killing soloman was the right move and asking about AK after the mission... but i felt very wrong agreeing with what he did... so i turned him in and didn't learn the spell.
@@arcanumelite4853 hes 15 you donkey i dont think he has the maturity to fully reflect on his decisions and pull a 180 in terms of personality
@@arcanumelite4853 to be fair it feels more like the player character is manipulating Sebastian into teaching them the spell abusing his state of mind , sure you can learn them later regardless( I just learned that) but the way the pc words the sentence feels that way
Sebastian’s quest was definitely one of the best parts about the game. In the end I sided with Ominis because he had my same opinion on the situation the whole time so I sadly had to turn Sebastian in because I just felt he kept pushing until he went too far, This quest line actually made me feel like my choice mattered compared to other choices in the game.
Exactly what I would have done.
I actually flip flopped on this. At first i turned him in, but then i loaded a earlier save and let him go, not because he wasn't guilty but because he had already been punished for his actions, losing his sister. She will never want anything from him anymore, and that in itself is most likely the thing that either push him to become worse, or to become better. Secondly, the fact that he probably be sent to Azkaban is enough to convince me to let him go, as they wouldn't do shit to help him and just punish him, leaving him on the road for hatred and anger, becoming the dark wizard we feared. In my eyes, letting him go is a 50/50 for a good Sebastian while turning him in is forever dooming him to become evil.
and you went along with it all the time. not cool just blaming Sebastian.
@ManUtdBoy13 I did the same thing, turned him in at first and finished the game, but then felt kinda guilty and that losing his sister and guilt was enough punishment. So I loaded an erlier save and played for a long time just to not turn him in.
I also turned Sebastian but I felt really sad by Ominis reaction 😢
Only downside to this game is it doesn't really matter what your choices are. If this had multiple outcomes in various quests, damn, Game of the Year.
Hopefully they make a sequel and add that feature
It was a very good game but I don’t think it’s gonna win goty
@@arabianprinceflyeaglesfly1700 Which game do you think will win then? Sad to say nothing has really come close to this level of quality.
@@ThinkingCap_ spider man 2 or tears of kingdom
@@ThinkingCap_ We're in february. This game alone has Starfield and the followup to Star Wars Fallen Order, not to mention Baldurs Gate 3... Its a massive year in terms of triple A titles, wtf.
I’m assuming Sebastian still decided to use this relic because his uncle was going to leave with Anne because he asks your character to ask the keepers how to remove pain like Isadora which would have used ancient magic instead of dark magic.
his uncle jsut totally rejects even looking at the tesseract thing out of hand - and in the end it was dark magic thatd cursed her not ancient magic (and using ancient magic cure really wudnt hve been good)
Kind of ironic how Sebastian goes to trial for killing one man meanwhile I killed about 530 people and I roam free like a serial killer
Real
As a Hufflepuff, I’m torn between keeping loyal to my friend and bringing him to justice for using dark magic
cute
As a Hufflepuff I do not have the game. 😂
I don't have a computer capable of the game lmAo
Can you really redeem yourself for a crime by going to prison, regardless if you regret what you did and if you already did something to make up for it? Are there other forms of redemption?
Abilities aren't always inherently good or evil it's how you use them
@@hunterhawk862 dark magic is inherently evil.
Sebastian is awesome, dark magic is awesome.
Say it for the people in the back !!
Both Sebastian and Ominis are very well written characters. Seeing Sebastian’s slow descent from a charismatic guy to a dark wizard then back again is so interesting. And since Ominis is one of Voldemort’s ancestors, having him be a good guy who hates his evil pureblood obsessed family is so great. Their interactions are so good too. Ahhh man… I love them both, and I love this questline. I’m so glad I chose to not turn in Sebastian. He’s much better off spending the rest of his life repenting for his bad deeds rather than rotting in an Azkaban cell for all eternity.
I didn't turn him in, mostly cause I was complicit in what had happened to his uncle. And pretty sure my actions are as problematic as his. Actually I never use the Dark Magic, despite being Slytherin, I said no in my play through.
If someone else were to turn him in for what he did, his consequences would be worse, so Sebastian should turn himself in. That’s why I’m not gonna do it. Besides, there has to be another way for him to redeem himself rather than live the rest of his life in Azkaban.
A person can only be unforgivable if they died without regret.
Honestly if that relic could undo curses then sabastian uncle was blinded by his rage so we will never know but sabastian was also in the wrong to I mean it's the killing curse and he used it while being just as much blind anger as his uncle had so its a tough moral choice
It can't Sebastion even says it can't undo the curse Sebastion claims it'll let him control it like he controls the Inferi but considering the player has to fight inferi to get to Sebastion that claim is.... dubious at best
@@stephenking5852 That prison is for people that are totally insane. Like Bellatrix and Voldemort.
@@zeppelincraft1443 sebastion deserves that fate... multiple times i tried to talk him out of what hes doing and he didn't listen.. always acting like what he was doing was right... he deserves a fate worse than death which is why i turned him in. he is too dangerous to leave outside.
Been awhile since I've seen such a well written character in a game.
Sebastian was a very well written character. So much fun to play through
part of me understands Sebastian 100% and supports him. but another part of me knows that killing his uncle was crossing a line from which he can never come back from and will live with for the rest of his life. that being said I liked the dialogue if you turn him in, it sounds wrapped up and finished. where as the opposite is like "are we finished? that's it? wow ok...."
HOWEVER I think that at the end of the day I will probably not turn him in but accept the responsibility if he ever goes off the handle again.
I hate how much I’d go through for this guy. His character was so well written and so likeable. Besties forever ❤
I'm actually sad that he's probably going to azkaban if you turn him in. He loved his sister & was in so much pain because he's lost her. Now he's on trial with the ministry.
Im pretty sure Azkaban is for life too
@@theoutsiderjess1869 No, characters who get sent to Azkaban do have timed sentences. Consider Voldemort's grandfather Marvolo who got sent for 6 months but went insane from it.
Yes. the more sentence you get the more crazy you become.@@ComedyLoverGirl
Damn the pain behind that Delpulso. I feel so bad for Anne :(((
Didn’t realize Ominis’s hair is actually blonde unless under certain lighting haha
I loved this story line so much, but I always laugh about Anne dupulsoing the shit out of Sebastian 😂
Sebastian: I entrust you this knowledge
**The player proceed do crucio to 1st year students**
Imagine making it this far already
Sebastian is so well written, i love his character, and his storyline. Cheers
Sebastian: "I didn't mean it"
Sebastian 5 minutes later: "I'll teach you, and remember it's all about intent, you have to mean it" 😂
Bruh, we are so much worse than Sebastian. We literally disintegrate unsuspecting people like poachers and goblins with lightning bolts from the sky. He kills 1 person who was kind of annoying anyways and gets sent to Azkaban while we're allowed to be free? Nah, homie is gonna learn how to really protect us from the Dark Arts. And if he ever becomes an issue we'll take care of him personally. And I'm a Hufflepuff saying this, haha!
You ain't no Hufflepuff! LOL.
@@ComedyLoverGirlBut, I have 9 guinea pigs and dress them up frequently. Also I love tea parties and being loyal to my friends. Haha!
I'm too dumb to be a Ravenclaw, too much of a scaredy cat to be a Gryffindor, and am just too much of a goodie two-shoes generally to be a Slytherin.
Sebastian story touched me in ways that I never though that a game about the Wizard World could touch. I've a person very close to me that is really ill, and I can't say that I won't make morally questionable choices in order to cure this person... So I don't get mad or even condemned him for any of this.
Same, lost my grandma to cancer a few years back, I would do anything to get her back. And Seb is 15, he is so young. I don't think he is a bad guy, he just didn't wanna see his sister die slowly in front of him.
I'll never turn my homie Sebastian in 💯 it's algood bro we'll use the killing curse together ❤️
I'm torn... I can't decide whether to turn him in or defend him. I don't want Dark Magic, but I still care for Sebastion and his sister...
Defend him, you can always not use the dark magic
If he were to turn himself, rather than have someone else turn him in, then maybe his consequences wouldn’t be as bad. He’s only a teenager.
It's rather easy DEFEND HIM.
It's not like Sdbastian is the next Voldemort and let's be honest his uncle had it coming. He a hypocritic moron.
Also you can learn the crucio spell from Sebastian if you spare him
@@BladedBear - You're right. I'll do that.
Ya…noo im not turning against seb
I wish we can make the Sebastian quest has more impactful choices. Like, we could have been that friend that help him from stray from losing his ways but he has to live with the fact he can't heal Anne and the other is, we let him has his way and we get this ending where he loses his uncle and etc.
Sebastian is the best companion.
Probably Becoz he is the most fleshed out with the most interesting storyline.
@@rabiyaashraf950yeah they did nothing special with the other companions
@@peter-966 true, and Ravenclaw did not even get a companion.
@@rabiyaashraf950 that's because ravenclaw student is supposed to be the default protagonist, i was a ravenclaw dude and Ive enjoyed as fu**
steven grant pfp, noice
"Sebastian deserved it", says my character, as he blatantly keeps using crucio and avada kadavra on all the enemies and bosses.
I didn’t snitch on him. He didn’t rat me out in the Library.
the bromance is so strong with sebastian and ominis
My Slytherin build be like "Your 1st time?" Lol
I ended up turning Sebastian in. Wasn't an easy decision, I don't even know if it was the right decision but there was literally zero need to kill his uncle. I can always justify using the killing curse on enemies but never on family.
I mean, the uncle who was actively stopping him from looking for a cure, threatened him for trying to save his sister, got mad because we were saving Feldcroft from Goblins and suggests it was better if Anne got mauled by a goblin in front of everyone than using a spell?
Yeah, it's unfortunate Sebastian hadn't taught us before entering the catacomb otherwise I'd be green-beaming that fucker on the very first opportunity.
Sebastian didn't exactly see his uncle as family
Sebastian is practically John Constantine is of the HP universe, willing to do whatever it takes to get things done
He's a 15 year old boy who can't even fathom the levels of shit he's burying himself in. Better stick him behind bars now before he "accidentally" kills some more people.
Sebastian was my favorite character
The best part about this vid is that the player actually styles their character, rather than the most awkward ensemble ever seen.
I disagree lol. The fact that they named their character Harry Potter broke the immersion.
Sebastian is clearly a bit unstable to put it lightly
Yeah but alot of wizards are and to be blunt this was just going to be how it ended. When you meet his uncle actually in game you're kinda just sitting there like wow this guy's a cunt.
Im guessing you dont have a sister?
Disagree. He has a shit friend who tried to persuade him not to try saving his sister. His uncle is a horrible person who literally gave up on her and Sebastian. Sebastian killed him in the heat of the moment AFTER his uncle directly attacked us. It makes absolutely no narrative sense to be against Sebastian when:
1. This uncle also was using pretty deadly spells against us.
2. Where we have been killing every enemy in the game.
Hard to say someone is bad for using avecaravra when we, players, pop hundreds of enemies like pinatas.
@@Solisus he was unstable but we can understand why I would go to any lengths to protect my sister two so I can’t blame him when if I was in his place I might do the same thing and the uncle I think was okay at heart but he messed up instead of trying to help seb he pushed him away out of fear I personally think if he tried to help seb find another way instead of giving up seb might not have gone so far
@@Solisus also I don’t think his friend was shxt the friend could have been nicer abt it but the friend knew what he was talking abt and was concerned rightfully for seb
This is the most confusing thing ever how Sebastian can use Avada Kedavra on his Uncle without even thinking about it.
Curses can only be used properly if you mean it is why Harry Potter couldn’t when he used the Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix.
Maybe he was just too angry for thinking correctly. His reaction after that show us he realised what he did and regrets it
@@a.g.demada5263
That’s not how curses work.
@@RobertWWD I know how it works but that wasn't my point
I'd have to say we the main character is just as guilty as Sebastion therefore the only logical explanation is to cover up his murder. We are also just as guilty for the murder.
So if you choose to turn sebastion in you might as well as slap the cuffs on yourself too. Striving to learn the curses brought us (the main character) down a dark path.
I totally went down this path anyways because the curses are amazing lmao
In the main story line you watch a professor use the killing curse on a woman and the conclusion is “we couldn’t trust that b*”
The levels of hypocrisy with AK are staggering. I was glad the devs kinda of touch on that.
His uncle was trying to severely injure him and his new best friend. His uncle was a trained Auror and clearly an abusor. He’s 15. He did the same thing that professor did to Morganich - he used AK to win a fight for his life he otherwise couldn’t on the grounds he was morally in the right. Those grounds were barely more shaky than Morganich’s.
And also, as others have said, the PC literally goes around murdering 1000s of people in the game while inflicting excruciating pain for sometimes minutes. They’re even encouraged to play with their food by juggling them in the air while slowly burning them or cutting them to death… AK seems like a mercy.
I chose not to turn him in because I felt that if they where real people.
1. Ominis would have been torn loosing his one and only friend and I the player just so happened to get involved in this little quest for “The cure” so stripping him away from his best friend as the new guy didn’t seem fair.
2. Sebastian’s intentions where good, the way he went about doing it blinded him and went as far as killing his uncle but he didn’t mean it, he was just in the moment and people loose their cool when in the heat of things, he even realizes what he did was wrong (shown by him dropping his wand after killing his uncle and his needing to think and rationalize things once we leave the cave thing)
"Killing his uncle but didn't mean it" - "To use avada kedavra you have to really mean it"
You contradict your own explanation. You can't kill someone if you don't really really mean it. He tried to rationalize and justify killing him. While i think he shouldn't go to azkaban, he should be expelled from hogwarts and be forbidden to use any sort of magic for lifetime. What he has done is unforgivable, the circumstance wasn't in selfdefense. His uncle just stood there and made him angry.
@@Blubbpaule Going into further detail, Yeah, he did mean it but it wasn’t his true intention, like when a kid gets angry with their parents and yells “I HATE YOU!!!” and runs away, a couple hour later they will apologize because “they didn’t mean it” it wasn’t their true intention “they where in the heat of the moment and lost their cool” and everyone does that. Sebastian “lost his cool” when his uncle destroyed the artifact that could have cured Anne and seeing that most likely brought back the memories of his uncle not giving Sebastian a chance, like when he saved his sister from a goblin and his uncle scolded him almost as if he was saying “this is YOUR fault” which probably drove his anger and forced him to kill his uncle. The difference between his true intentions (the one of simply curing Anne) and his intentions at that very moment (his loss of self control) are what I mean by “he didn’t mean it,” of course he meant it (in order to cast Avada Kedavra) but at the same time he didn’t.
I would have to disagree with your idea regarding his expulsion from Hogwarts and banning him from all sorts of magic. Anne doesn’t want to see Sebastian so it’s not like he can go home, maybe Ominis could let him stay with his family but as Ominis has said “they’re assholes.” Hogwarts is really the only place he has and banning him from magic isn’t really going to stop him from using magic, in fact it’s probably going to force him to be a dark wizard. Imagine, your only friends report you and strip your wand away, now you have nowhere to go with no magic to defend yourself and all of this happened because you wanted to find a cure for your beloved sister but ended up killing your uncle because your emotions got the best of you and you wanted to make amends but instead you’re left all alone in the world with no one but yourself, I could see Sebastian going the bad ending route literally after his uncle was already rejecting him with “you’re your fathers children”. I don’t disagree with your opinion if it was a decision made at that very moment but for Sebastian to move forward I think it’s best if he remains at Hogwarts as it’s the only place he has left and seeing how when Sebastian focuses on one thing he does what ever he can to achieve it, so Sebastian trying to make amends for what he did is something I can se him do and accomplish how ever he chooses to do so. I do believe his sister will also forgive him later on in the future.
With that being said, I hope I explained myself as I did try to the best of my abilities and I can see if someone think I read too much into it but do keep in mind (for you and others who read this) this was my thought process IF THEY WHERE REAL PEOPLE, thank you for reading this far and remember.
“The future is the future and the past is the past” -Sensei Wu
:D
@Aroz A better comparison would be a kid telling their parents that they hate them and then shooting with a gun.
People have, rather humorously, pointed out how Sebastian says "you have to mean it" with regards to avada kedavra and later on says essentially "I didn't mean it!" Some might see this as an inconsistency but... well, people are complex beings. I can believe that someone could be overcome with a killing intent for a fleeting moment... but that's all it really takes, doesn't it? To me, Sebastian going "I didn't mean it!" just comes off as him being in denial, not believing he had it in him to do what he did.
Also yeah my experience echoes that of others when I say this story was more interesting to me than the main story.
My character is definitely a goody two shoes secretly a death eater. I love acting all innocent and wanting to "help" people but in actuality its a plot to learn the dark arts
yall r such good ppl, waiting til the end. i learned crucio from my boy sebastian at like level 15-
I feel like the uncle showing up was a S grade a hole move specially when all he wanted to prove was that he was right and that people just have to accept life is nothing but tragedy. Man didn't show any remorse nor actual parental care. He wasn't abusive but it look more like he just didn't want kids in his life and blame sebastian parents for that. He destroying the relic was understandable as there was a chance it wasn't all it was supposed to do. How much could've been anyones guess. Considering it was the founder of slitherin house that made it. At the same time, man didn't care nor think about it he just destroyed it because it was made from dark arts. He also seemed spiteful regardless of the fact that his nephew was trying to help. Hope can be cruel, but hopeless and forcing someone to accept their death over a mistake of trying to help kinda seems even crueller in my opinion. Sebastians heart was in the right place but his state of mind wasn't. He didn't technically needed to kill is uncle. At the same time still don't understand how the old man was standing for that long. He also had it coming for his choices no different than the choices of sebastian.
This is why I need HL2. He took the fall for me in the library so I'll take responsibility to carry this secret. Killing his uncle obviously is not good but dang Solomon was a pain to deal with, so it's natural that a teenager who is attached to his twin to do everything to heal her. You can definitely see where both sides are coming from and lemme tell you, my character is teetering between Seb and Ominis to keep the peace that even my friend who was watching me play is confused whether I want to go dark witch route or not.
The question now is if any of us will crack and blurt it out to someone, or he'll feel so guilty that he'll just confess. This is why I love being in Slytherin House, not only because I've been in that house since the launch of Pottermore (back when it was a fun RPG site), but the complexity of a person's morality is not simply black and white. Kinda like how I will use Crucio on enemies but refused to do it to Seb.
This feels like a love triangle in my head cannon and I’m here for it
Poor ominous didnt even know what the rest of his family was gonna be as dark as he had feared later on primitive even
Sebastian is a tragic character, but he does deserve to be reported for his crime. He is the perfect example of "The ends justify the means" and how people will do any heinous deed if they fully believe they're doing the right thing. Unfortunately, the fact he knows all 3 unforgivable curses and willingly uses/teaches them means that he likely won't simply stop using them. Sebastian might grow up, graduate Hogwarts, and even go many years without using those spells again. But he has already proven that when pushed into a corner he will do literally anything but accept that some things are simply out of his own control. His story is almost a parallel for Darth Vader/Anakin when you consider that it all started out of loving someone so dearly that it made them blind to the evil they were willing to commit.
So you either have to risk basically letting a future (again I love this parallel) Darth Vader walk free by ignoring all the clear warning signs because he is you friend (pulling a Obi-Wan). Or you make that hard choice of turning him over to the authorities. Because while it isn't the easy choice to make, it's arguably the right one.
Sebastian went full Anakin in every sense of the word....never go full Anakin
I think this is what a lot of people miss. They put emphasis on his good intentions as a reason to not turn him in. He does have good intentions, but he keeps justifying doing bad things to get there. And, like you said, dark wizards like even Grindlewald believed that he has good intentions. Still a bad guy anyway.
For one thing. It would make me a bloody hypocrite with how much I use them so no there. Secondly. Yeah I'm gonna pull the freaking good intentions card there. In my opinion the dark arts can on occasion be employed to work towards the side of good (harry uses imperio in gringotts). I've always found the idea of good not being allowed to straight up kill foolish when it could eliminate potential issues. I mean as others have pointed out our ancient magic and many other technically non lethal spells can cause equivalent damage over time and yet those are ok? It's ok to collapse a wall on an enemy but shooting them with a bolt of green light to kill instantly is a non starter? Look sebastian is a teen with years of pent up frustration at an uncle that recently has constantly blocked ANY attempt to help his sister dark arts or no, he was already clearly a bit barmy thanks to that relic, and while he did attack first Solomon attacked us his friend and attacked back rather than using defensive spells (as former auror he likely could have done) attacking a 15 year old who had done nothing to him (the MC) kind of limits my sympathy there. Would he have spared us? So in a moment of fury sebastian makes a choice he very clearly comes to regret nearly instantly. Especially with the reaction of his sister. Seb shows genuine remorse for his actions. His sister isn't talking to him anymore so he really no longer has a motivation. He knows he crossed the line and he's not gonna go on a country wide killing spree. Lastly there's no middle ground in the wizarding world and someone like sebastian who made a mistake in a moment of passion, severely regrets it, is still a child, and is not a true risk to society does not deserve to be thrown to the dementors.
Thank you! I one person who is seeing sense!
Is it the right choice to condemn your friend to almost literal hell for the rest of his life? It would have been more humane to simply kill him than to send him to Azkaban. In addition, in relation to my uncle, I do not experience any losses at all. He was a disgusting person. And while the game was going on, I was sure until the very end that Solomon was deliberately not allowing Sebastian’s sister to be save, because keeping her in a state could be beneficial for him, in case he receives some benefits for her. That he is very stubbornly opposed to the fact that he is trying to find a cure for her patient, while he sits still. It is very hypocritical for a player who himself uses dark spells to turn his friends into Azkaban. And in general, snitching is a vile business.
I was playing a Ravenclaw and chose to not turn him in as I learned the Curses from him and would probably soon also end up in Azkaban if he returns my betrayal with confessing that little fact
Ominis: "We may never see Sebastian again😢"
Player: "You never saw him in the first place..."
Really struggle there...
However, one thing come across me: Sebastian learnt that because of me, back to the time that I couldn't choose not to give him that book, I knew.
Tbh, if there is a choice, I will turn him in but also turn myself in, coz Sebastian lost it once and I can't bet he won't lost twice or more, but I am also guilty. Yet, there is no such choice so I can't betray him, but I am glad to see he admitted his fault instead of turning into the dark even though he will live with his gulity and punishment from his sister.
He is my favorite character it's a good kid at heart who just wanted to save his sister
I used him to get the unforgivable curses, used Imperio on Ominous, told him everyone should know Avada Kedavra, and turned him in allowing Anne to have no one and die in pain. I should be in Azkaban :)
I believe that this game could be more dark and impactful in the story. I think the evil wizards situation should be a thing from the game like in dragon Age where your actios count and you cand do hard shit and be question about it later .
This should be main story
This questsline seemed so good until I realized it was building up to nothing - saving Anne should've been the conclusion..
I hoped we could use our hability for curing her but only after being sure we can use it safely not like Isidora Morganach did
Dark magic is awesome to have in battle, but I'd rather not take it too far because holy shit Sebastian. I get he wants to help his sister, but killing his uncle is too far. So as much as it hurts it had to be done. Better to learn all the dark arts spell before turning him in
One of the things I like about this game is getting to play and interact with Slytherin characters who aren’t just cast as one dimensionally evil.
3:34 After I last, “SAW” you. WTF
You can also go to their house and see a note Ann left Sebastian!
This storyline was better than the main one
Sebastian has no family, Anne is the last person he considers family left. We all would do anything to try to save a loved one if we had the power to. Sebastian tried and began to fall further into the dark arts. He just wanted to try, he needed the right guidance. I didn’t betray him because I understood and he regretted his decision almost immediately. Anger & determination can cause irrationality.
killing his uncle was not with the intention of helping his sister, it was revenge for the destruction of the relict. Aferwards, Sebastian said that his uncle deserved it and that he had no choice. That is no instant regret. I was happy to turn him in for what he did
@@c.m.8972 He says that because of anger and fear, if you remain a loyal friend, he even ask for your forgiveness and say he would like that Professor Weasley did a farewell to his uncle, it's a sad stroy, he was in pain for almost 2 years since her sister got cursed, he tried everything, it is explicit in the game that Sebastian has not been the same for a long time, the fear of losing his twin made him crazy, broken, and his uncle Solomon never helped him, his only family was his sister and the dark arts corrupted him, he is a grey character. Also he is only 15 he was a fool, and he regrets what he did, after Anne burried Solomon, she doesn't want to talk anymore with her twin, I think all the emotions, guilty, losing his sister, regrets, is enough punishment for a kid that had good intentions but he did everything wrong.
If you turn him in, he goes to Azkaban and gets more bitter, every little hope to restore Anne's mental health and recovery of this trauma is impossible, because with that ending she have no family and she will never know if it was the right choice turn his brother in.
@ I feel bad for what happened to him and his sister as well, but still, not every behavior is forgivable. His sister understood that, too. If you don't turn him in, who will be the next person he kills because he is hurt, lost all his family and has a past with dark magic? Being a friend to him did not stop him this time and surely it will not stop him next time from losing his temper
@@c.m.8972I agree. He doesn't know when to stop. Also, he COMPLETELY ignores what his sister want through the whole game. I get that he want to save her, but maybe listen to what she wants? She doesn't want him to go anywhere near the dark arts. That has been said from the beginning. Let's say he manage to save her using the dark arts. Imagine how betrayed Anne feel that someone had to be harmed to cure her. She would hate it and hate him. That's why I can't sympathize with Sebastian. He claim he's doing this all for her, but he completely ignore her input on her own well being.
Yeah Sebastian's story was interesting, but they could have made better choices of him using the unforgivable spells. He used Avada Kedavra when he honestly didn't need to, and crucio was the same thing, a different spell would have worked just as well without killing. It was all good except for those two moments that felt contrived.
I do like that there's no hamfisted right or wrong answer to this quest - you don't get the impression by not turning him in that you've made "the evil choice". He seems intent on redemption, whereas turning him in, "doing the lawful thing"... simply sends him to Azkaban for the rest of his days, no hope, no shot at redemption. The "evil path" doesn't necessarily feel wrong, the "good path" doesn't necessarily feel right. Overall this quest arch was incredibly well done.
The problem in the game is that the ancient magic also kills proachers and they are human for anyone who feels bad when using Avada Kedabra
dude thank you, finally someone said it, like.... we pick people up and bash them into the ground until they stop moving, we shrink them and step on them, shoot magic into them and make them explode into nothing, at least avada kedavra leaves a body for someone to bury
@@mrmeaty2140 LOL
I didn't turn him in because Solomon went from 0 to try-to-murder-kids-with-fire. He assumed player character was there WITH Sebastian, didn't try to find out if the player character was with or against Sebastian, he just attacked them.
I never used the killing curse outside the Dark Arts arena but Ancient Magic surges, using fire spells, the cutting curse, and depulso-ing people off high places are worse ways to die than the insta kill curse.
Haven't reached this ending yet, but I'm 80% sure I won't turn him in to azkaban. Even Harry was tempted by Snape's potion book where he could learn all dark spells like sectumsempra. So, I think I'm gonna cut some slack for Seb ✨
my evil hufflepuff manipulated sebastian into teaching him all curses, leading him down a path of misery. just to betray him at the end, throwing him in Askaban
So you could learn Dark Magic but not be evil?
@@kaydub9095 Well... it depends if you accept that the Keepers are entirely good and correct. They give off VERY strong Jedi Council vibes to me, in none of the good ways.
Yes, you can learn the dark magic spells and not be evil in the game. I've completed my first run through already.
If I remember correctly, if there were dark wizards in the Harry Potter universe that attacked other innocent witches and wizards, the ministry or prominent witches and wizards could learn Avada Kadavra to use against their enemies who do harm so they learn the spell but only use it when it is necessary to defend. It’s kinda like you learning to use a gun, you won’t use it only when it is necessary to defend.