That is my worry. Or that they end it in such a way, that it cant come back. Out of spite due to the audience rejecting what they are doing. On the other hand they could go back to the BBC making it like it always was, and do it low budget. Low budget now is better than what it was in the 60s 70s and 80s...If they could write it as a quality drama, with spooky atmosphere and some hard sci fi ideas again that would be amazing, but I just dont thing the current day writers are up to it.
@@Simon-xc5oy Fortunately RTD's enthusiasm for retconning his ridiculous ideas into the show will ironically be its salvation I think. Hopefully it'll get canceled and lie fallow until the BBC gets its act together and starts producing decent watchable drama again, though I suspect we'll get a third season as otherwise it will be to admit all those people who complained about its new era were right all along, and not bigoted, racist misogynists. But then one day they will be able to use AI to have Capaldi's Doctor regenerate into a new Doctor, and Whittaker's era along with Disney Who can be decanonised, and reconned out of existence. No 'Timeless Children', no 'Flux', no 'Bigeneration' end of. And RTD can hardly complain if they do do that, as he's shown retconning the show is just fine under his rule.
@@terrystewart1973 I doubt it will get a third season of Gatwa etc if Disney bail. For a start the BBC wont be able to afford it. They hived out off to Bad Wolf as a separate production / outside the BBC while keeping the rights etc as they were pushed. Looking at the Whitaker era the last season looked like something from CBeebies it was that poor in look and tone, you could see it was on a shoestring, albeit a modern one. Not as low budget as the 70s era, but it somehow looked worse, as other shows competing looked so much better in comparison, and had better writing and better actors...all I can say is Yaz....the only person worse than Whitaker and they deserved each other. Currently crowing about coming back to the roles for audio dramas with Big Finish! I bet they are a joy to listen to...wonder if Whitaker has learned to pronounce No properly yet? Or will it still be the slovenly, lazy part Yorkshire, part who knows what version she favoured....and that was...I dont Neeerrrrrrrrr!! Puke. Pure Puke. Imagine listening to that in your ear, along with the plank of wood that was Yaz, she cant act, she cant emote she cant even manage more than one or two expressions. How is she going to manage to convey what is going on in just audio via her voice....Hysterical. I just wonder how well they will sell. As you are going to have to pay to hear that.... If Gatwa is bailing which will be a relief, and Disney goes the show will be left with way less money, no lead and a BBC that cant really afford to make it. Maybe they will go to a couple of specials a year with whatever dreadful choice they pick next. If they can get someone to even produce and run it as RTD would probably go to. Word is he is only there for the two seasons etc in this deal with Gatwa....by the end of next year its going to be in the 1 million or so live views anyway as the audience will continue to drop off...
They jumped the shark with “the timeless child” but instead of realizing that and course correcting ..They were like “We need a bigger more diverse and inclusive Shark”
@@subjectnivleis7572 Heaven Sent to Hell Bent was the step change. The former delivered what made the show special, the latter a lore-breaking, gender-bending disaster.
The problem for me with the Timeless Child is that it made the Doctor special and that I feel was against the point of the character. The Doctor shouldn't be special, they are even a bit crap as being a Time Lord goes, but they always try to do the right thing regardless.
Soros & schwab are smiling and so many still refuse to believe blackrock /vanguard is part of that group and that group just tried to take out and orange man
@@turbohusque There is no form of cancer called "woke"so no idea what you're talking about there. If youy mean the "woke mob"" that's just not true. YOU're in denial of being a bigot, which you are.
How can Disney be disappointed in the performance or financial return? They did the same thing to the Doctor that they've done with Star Wars, Indiana Jones and the Marvel franchises. Disappointed kind of implies the results are UN-expected. If ANYONE at Disney DIDN'T expect the same results from the same idiotic practices, then they shouldn't be entrusted to wipe themselves after using the toilet.
It's a result of whites being too generous. White man rose to the top of the food chain based on their merits and then out of the kindness of their hearts they helped others up to their positions.. But those other people should have never been elevated. Those other races genders and demographics never should have been elevated to the positions where they could make decisions because they were not as kind
"Tackled racism" - if, by that, they mean '2 minutes at the end when she gets her only real friend killed and then tells Ncuti that she doesn't want to go with him' then yes it "tackled racism" and fell on its arse.
Which seemed to have been the most absurdly written episode, in that the story made little sense, and pandered to progressive racial bigotry against whites.
Oddly enough, I'd say the biggest con in all of this is whomsoever transliterated his folks' language into the Latin alphabet. I can't help but want to call him Nickooty Gateway.
Much as I like Matt Smith (all the Doctors until 13) Amy/Clara was super annoying. You started to see the digs at 'males' even then. It was like they were testing the waters with her and decided to go all in with 13. Downright drowned now.
I think Amy and Rory were good characters together Rory's transformed from dorky male nurse to legendary hero is among my favorite character arcs and the epic way he fights for her when she is taken is powerful storytelling, Clair in my humble opinion never lived up to the set-up, Dalek Claire and Victorian Claire were an interesting conundrum and I didn't think the resolution was very satisfying
Im 53. Grew up watching Tom Baker as the Doctor every Sunday night. It was always a show for nerds, like me. It really didn't matter the nationality or race, nerds normally were into Who. Unfortunately the show was taken over by people who hate the fans, like Star Wars, Halo, and almost everything else these days
@00110000 they let people who never played the games make the show. In the first few episodes they strip the Chief naked and have hum have sex with the enemy. I quit watching after that
I actually think Jon Pertwee was the best, but Tom Baker really nailed it. Dr. Who is supposed to be weird, funny and smart. If you can do those things, then you have a show. Otherwise I'm out.
Yes I was the same. I thought Capaldi's first season was fairly poor, it was too much of a wrench from Smith. Then as his hair grew out and he became more Pertwee like I started to warm to him more, you could see he was a fan and what he was trying to do, but the whole agenda in the writing and behind the scenes ruined the rest of his run. He was reduced to an extra in his own show. Clara took all the focus, it was all about her and the female Master....the last season was just a dry run for Whitaker with them preparing the ground with the comments made by his Doctor and Bill etc....Bill the lesbian, who was a lesbian and kept telling everyone she was a lesbian...Hi I am Bill! I dont fancy men! I am Bill....I prefer girls! I am Bill, did I mention I was a lesbian??? I knew it was dying and once Whitaker was announced I was gone and out. I have not gone back since, I just read the news on the show, what is going on etc and follow the critic on youtube out of loyalty to what was, and in the vain hope one day it might go back to being that...Doctor Who. Sadly I am now at the stage where I want to see it taken off air before more damage is done. It needs to be out of production for about ten years like last time.....
@@Simon-xc5oy I had the same experience, but it was wild for me because I could sense it going bad as it was happening, and I was about 15 at the time. I wasn't even political then, but I could tell something was wrong since I hated the bill character and I noticed pretty much all the episodes in season 10 weren't memorable at all. At least they started ramping up their agenda after season 10, cause that makes it easier to buy the "first 10 seasons" box set, since "first 9" or "first 11" might be more awkward
@@WhoLover Yes for me Capaldi was the last Doctor, that was the same man, a Time Lord from Gallifrey. After that it turns into all sorts of other crap and its not Doctor Who. That was the point of the character from the ground up...Doctor....Who??? Who is he really? And bits and pieces of his back story were drip fed into the show over the decades. You never found out he was Time Lord till Troughton was in the role. Then you got more of his own race and its back story with Pertwee being banished to Earth, and then the Baker version going back to Gallifrey against his wishes in stuff like Deadly Assassin. But you never got much of the Doctor's own history. Just that he stole a TARDIS and ran from Gallifrey as he did not agree with them having so much power and not helping others, and he wanted to see the Universe and not just basically read about it at home. We find out he was boyhood friends with the Master and at a "school" with him. And that he used to meet up with an old hermit outside the capitol and hear his stories about the other worlds etc out there when he was a boy. We never find out what his real name is. Other than the TIme Lords designation for him Theta Sigma. And we never find out about his parents or family, other than his grand daughter...and even that is hinted at being not exactly true...is she really his grand daughter? Or adopted? And that is it....nothing else...Till Chinballs turned him into a her and a supposed portal traveller from some other place....its all utter crap now, truly...
I always said a female Doctor could work, but the network would never allow such a version to exist. Though ideally, the Doctor should always be male. The idea that a Time Lord can switch gender on regeneration should never have been a thing.
@@clintmatthews3500 Joanna Lumley played an entirely credible Doctor in Rowan Atkins' comedy special. The Doctor should NOT be feminist, because feminists do NOT want equality.
I used to watch Tom Baker's Dr.Who every Sunday morning. It was low budget, but it was entertaining and intelligent. I'd love to see the new series budget get cut because it would force the creators to do more, and better, with less resources. 'The Message' would have to be dumped pretty quickly.
Indeed. Classic who had a tiny budget yet created so many memorable characters and stories because they had to focus on those things as there were few special effects.
%100 agree about classic who and the great acting and stories despite bbc budgets. However, whether it was a pittance or a fortune, the likes of Davies would always be pushing the message. The answer isn't cutting the budgeet but cutting the writers!
They're determined to destroy all the old IPs so they can then rebuild them as woke propaganda. Look at Star Wars, Marvel, Doctor Who, Indiana Jones - the list goes on and on.
I watched TB Dr. Who in the U.S. in the late 70's on the UHF frequency band. The special effects budget then would be considered laughable today, yet the cheap effects were elevated by good story telling.
I was a kid and loved Tom Baker on Doctor Who/PBS. Everyone knew to leave me alone when Who was on. The effects, imo, were better back then than they are today. They were scarier.
It seems to be a universal trend. As the budget for special effects and location shoots went up, the quality of the storytelling went down. It happened on Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, and other shows. They have whiz-bang pyrotechnics, but the magic is gone.
It’s difficult to see how Disney couldn’t pull the plug if looked at from a purely financial perspective. RTD stole what was left of the magic after the disastrous Chibnall run. It’s needs a long rest.
Wow...Halo is binned? It was bad, really bad. I am not even a fan of Halo games but was aware of them and the story etc and have played some. That tv show was a dreadful version....I gave up part way through the first season. Paramount are in serious trouble since the Skydance deal fell through so its no shock really that they need to save money. Another company run into the ground out of stupidity and woke pushing. It would not be in the mess its in if they had made Star Trek in the style of Trek. Like the classic series or Next Gen or Deep Space 9. Instead it was Discovery...and terrible, and they refused to bin it. Spending more and more and pushing it harder and harder to five season of utter over priced crap that no one watched or liked....and here they are. On the rocks and almost bust...
Doctor Who being a 'lower budgeted production with a primarily UK-based audience' sounds good to me. It was always the eccentric Britishness of the show that was appealing - something that has been thrown away in place of CGI cartoon-ery and complete betrayal (by RTD) of what the show is about. But I don't think we'll be that lucky. Why should the BBC continue to invest in a show that now only pulls in 2-3 million viewers?
The older ones are better and the farther back you go the more obvious that is. It’s getting harder and harder to watch anything made after about 2000. I really miss the 90s the entertainment industry was so much better.
Absolutely! I’ll take a smart, well written show with a small effects budget over a multi million dollar, CGI bloated show that was written by idiots…any day of the week.
I honestly just dumped doctor who FOR time travel shows from the 90s. Mirror Mirror and Girl From Tomorrow may have only gotten two seasons each, and had the budget of a shoe string, but at least they were charming and well written. Even when season 2 of Mirror Mirror got preachy, it was fairly harmless. Even Greenstone, which I'd argue is the closest thing to a message pushing episode, isn't half as bad as Doctor Who at present.
@@crystalbry4741 oh don't get me wrong I LOVED Doctor Who from 2005 to the capalidi era, but in retrospect, seeing what it led up to, meh, I'm over it.
Disney would have to have intelligence guiding it, to pull the plug. What, of everything Disney has produced in the last several years, has shown any intellect?
what made me sad was that i just watched a video about Dr. Who from the Matt Smith era (propse to the creator, quite good) After all 35 minutes, i was depressed. Matt was my daughter's First Doctor, and the times we watched it were special to us. It even gave us little chuckes and catchphrases between she and I. She's grown now, and Dr. Who was eliminated by that jodi-person, and now it's just garbage. I'd go back and watch Tom Baker, or even Pertwee. Definitely Doc and Amy Pond, for sure! I remember being a young lad, waiting up to watch the public TV station that aired British TV on Saturday nights, and DR. Who was on at 10pm It has been damaged beyond repair.
@@davidjsaul although he did say that he didn't wanna leave at first probably because it was fun and everyone was nice and jemma Coleman was great as well.
As a New Zealander we us kiwis loved Dr Who in the 1970's-80's. Jon Pertwee brought out the scientist in us and Tom Baker was just brilliant in turning silly themes into I don't want to go to bed tonight episodes! I miss that great T.V. Include in that Bob Newhart who just died.
I'd much rather see even the dodgiest episodes of the original 1963-1989 run than any of the melodramatic YA schlock from Nu Who. In retrospect I'm sorry I ever gave Nu Who a chance. I watched it all from Eccleston to Capaldi and I now regret it, because that led us to where we are now. Bit by bit, step by step, it degenerated into perhaps the most embarrassing show on TV... and that's saying something.
I have the 5th, 6th, and 7th DW episodes downloaded. I never needed more DW, the show ended well with the Doctor and Ace walking off to go on another adventure.
I totally agree. I honestly cannot see how after Capaldi was any different to before Capaldi ended. All the cringeworthy elements were there since 2005. The insipid plots, the insufferable background music, the overly wacky boyfriend doctor as opposed to wise and cerebral, the lame drama school acting, the indulgent political correctness, the smug retconning of old lore, and not coming up with their own ideas. The 2005 reboot was subpar from the beginning. The audience has to take some of the blame for not rejecting this rubbish in 2005.
The show jumped the shark with The Devil's Chord, which might well be the worst episode in the show's history. Davies threw the rulebook out of the window, as he's replaced science fiction with magical fantasy. I can accept the Toymaker as his own thing, who follows the rules of play, but the Maestro broke the show by disregarding any rules whatsoever. Doesn't help that the drag queen actor gave one of the worst performances I've ever seen, down there with Peter Kay in Love and Monsters. The story was infuriating. The Disneyfication of Doctor Who was fully onscreen: a High School Musical song and dance sequence should never be in Doctor Who.
There was a study that showed that to most people watching two guys kiss was actually the same response as if they were watching maggots Not kidding.. If you want to normalize gay people then forcing it down people's throats like that wasn't the answer.. The amount of homophobia only increased ever since the Communists started pushing that shit
Going back to being a small UK audience focused show would be the best thing for it. The higher budget sets and effects have always looked a bit off to anyone that was used to the 05 reboot era
The only time Dr Who tackled racism was with Martha. When she went back in time, the people there questioned her presence as a black female and berated her, and she responded magnificently. It was a great reflection on how attitudes have changed for the better.
I'm watching my way through the classic era from Jon Pertwee onwards, currently in the later end of the Peter Davison period. Virtually every episode from back then wipes the floor with Ncuti Gatwa's episodes, despite having cheap primitive VFX. They had really good writing and a dedication to telling a great story, and that makes all the difference.
Who knew that insulting your fanbase, calling them names, and telling them not to watch would hurt ratings? Oh, that's right. EVERYONE. Dr Who is now Dr Who cares. Sad.
Disney is not funding another season of Fruity Gatwa? That's surprising. Given Disney's lengthening list of entertainment failures, one would think the woke company is committed to financial suicide.
Two points. The BBC is unlikely to fund it on their own now as they are facing major cuts. Also the show reaching a high of 7th on the list of most in-demand series in the US. This is just for one week and one particular episode with estimated viewership of the top show on this list being under 1 million views. 7th is nothing to write home about.
I adored disney until this century. Wouldn't watch Disney+ (or any other entertainment service) for free. Come to think of it, Mint just ended a free offer for some other service (Paramount?) and I couldn't be bothered with that either. There's too much other truly enjoyable stuff to do with my free time. (Like watching entertainment critics lambast the entertainment woke industry.)
I've been a long time Dr Who fan from the 80's. I started watching in the US via public TV -- was channel surfing when I stumbled across a Tom Baker episode and it captivated me. The dark and often scary themes (I was a kid back then) was also a bit thought provoking and the Tom Baker run became my favorite Doctor. Since then I have tracked down as many of the earlier Doctors and the 5th, 6th, and 7th. I saw the 8th Doctor when that aired in the US. When the new Dr Who started in the US I did watch, but as the new Who progressed I realized it was a different approach. The special effects were good, acting was decent, I was uncertain about the styling of the stories, but give it all a good shot at watching. The Matt Smith run started to lose me, tho and I started to actively nitpick beginning with the narration of the opening credits. It became obvious to me that the show was talking down to the audience. By the Capaldi run I started to cut myself off from Dr Who. At first I thought maybe the writers were going to pull the series back towards a more Tom Baker-ish era where the series could get darker, or maybe more on a classic feel, whatever... I was hoping because I saw the potential. Gone was the annoying narration from the Matt Smith run. Instead there was clocks and the spiral spin of the opening segment, hints at a time oriented theme with a nod to the classic "tunnel" of the old classic series. But soon I realized I was wrong, and wrong to hope. So I pulled back, stopped watching, and haven't looked back. Instead if I ever feel the need to watch an episode I'll watch one of those from the classic era that I've collected. Why I'm writing all of this? Well, I suppose it's so that at least a reader of the comments would know a bit of my story that here was a classic fan who tried to get onboard with the new series. At least the world will know, that my experience is "out there" now in a comment.
Was watching when Matt Smith became the doctor and continued enjoying through about mid way through Capaldi. Absolutely abandoned it before Jodi became the Doctor. As an American audience member, I agree with your assessment.
According to what was said a year or two ago, RTD only has a contract for two seasons and a few specials, and the expectation was always that the series stands a good chance of being cancelled afterwards, unexpected major success notwithstanding. I think bringing RTD back was always a 'last roll of the dice' idea; bearing in mind that I believe the series was nearly cancelled twice during Chibnall's tenure.
The awful quality of the last several years should make people question whether it was good at all post 2005. All the things people complain about now were there since 2005 in my opinion. The puerile plots, too much fantasy, drama school acting, smug desecration of old lore, insipid overbearing background music.
I went out to touch grass, but there was no space available. Then it hit me, I needed a career change. Now I'm a professional grass grower and I take care of all the grass around my country, be it the (previously) unwanted weeds growing stubbornly by the side of the road or the beautifully curated plants on our roundabouts, I care for all of it. People wanting to touch grass have been donating me money so that I grassify more areas due to the fact that the supply can't keep up with the demand. There is not enough space. We need to petition to our councils and governments to create more empty, unused but fertile areas so that we can grow more grass because our lawns aren't enough anymore. Just now my neighbours can barely touch a single blade of grass with one of their fingers due to the overcrowding of the area. Please, help us.
My favourite Doctors remain Pertwee and Baker with Smith not far behind. I stopped watching halfway though Capaldi's era and never came back to the franchise. I discovered Doctor Who here in Canada in the late 70's. It was playing on PBS in the US and with a good antenna (and the help of some steel wool) we could watch American TV although with a lot of interference. I fell in love with the series. But the Capaldi era started a trend that is all too prevalent on TV and movies these days.
The show went off the rails in season two of Matt Smith’s run. The storylines became so confusing that basically everyone in the states stopped watching. It basically ended during that time.
Mammy of Gone With the Wind only had one big crying scene and that was enough. And in the 30s. This struttin Dr. Cry Me A River is an insult of epic proportions.
See, the Doctor I'll always remember is Tom Baker, because that's when we could first see Dr. Who in the states in my area. They ran his episodes on the local public television channel at our vacation cabin.
My favourite versions of the Doctor coincide with well written stories that had me legitimately fearing for the outcomes of the characters. Stories in which the Doctor beat the baddies, saved the day and/or made a difficult choice that was the better of two bad options. From what I understand, recent actors playing the role and writers creating the stories have forgotten this basic idea.
I have a home made edited version of Capaldi's last story which I turned into the finale of Doctor Who (also edited out some of the cringe moments that I didn't think was in keeping with the 1st Doctor). I loved that show. So sad what's happened to it. Cancellation would be in Doctor Who's best interest.
Last doctor who I saw was when the doctor mis gendered a furby and got told off, then the wheelchair lady started shooting rockets from her wheelchair. I just couldn't.
My own prescription is a complete reversal of Jon Pertwee's era: _go away from modern-day Earth and don't look back_ . Focus on outer-space adventure with alien worlds, alien societies, high-tech gadgets, monsters and spaceships. "Develop" the companions all you want, but develop them through their experiences across time and space, *not* by returning to check in with their jobs and families every third day. And if the budget won't support complex costumes and alien worlds and impressive space stations and awesome special effects? Do it anyway! Do it on the cheap, no matter how lame it looks, and focus on writing good stories instead. Doctor Who doesn't need to compete with Hollywood blockbusters on visuals; it never could anyway, and it's a distraction from good writing.
Wish I could upvote this twice. Don't have the budget? Do it anyway! As long as the story and characters are there, our imaginations will more than compensate for cheap-looking sets and costumes. And make it smart! The problem with big budgets is that the more they spend, the more "accessible" (read: dumbed-down) they want it to be.
New Who always reminds me of the Transformers movie scenario. As a young kid in the 80s Transformers was EVERYTHING to me, just as Dr Who was from 1987 onwards. When the live action movie came along I was over the moon. When I watched it, it was great. The redesigns, not casting Frank Welker alongside Cullen, the crude humour, emphasis on sexiness and fast cars made it a film for the Top Gear generation of lads rather than the nerds of the 80s. I put up with all the crap stuff because it was a dream come true to have TF back in my life, in live action, and with the whole world able to see the thing I loved for all those years. I assumed all the flaws would be ironed out as the sequels progressed, but instead they doubled down on them all, and I walked away after the 2nd movie. That's how I feel about Dr Who - it was everything to me between 1987 and 2005, and from 2005 onwards I saw this flawed version of the show brought ti the masses. The good outweighed the bad and surely they would learn from their mistakes? No they didn't, but at least a new showrunner would fix things? I mean, classic Who changed its producer, script editor and format every few years. The Moffat era did at first bu watering down the RTD flaws and increasing the quality, but from Amy & Rory's final season the crapiness kicked in. By the point Clara and Missy were the stars of the show, I walked away. I could have been tempted back by the new showrunner/format but they chose the worst writer the show had ever known and he used identity politics as a shield and sword against any criticism. And then when you think the next showrunner might fix things, we are back to Russell T Fucking Davies! They've had 20 years to perfect the format and instead have got worse and worse. I can still watch and love classic Who (although the hindsight of what it becomes makes it hard), but I find it impossible to ever rewatch the new series with the knowledge that it didn't improve the problems it had, it just emphasised them even more.
It's now canon that the Doctor spends his spare time "doing" humans and participating in vile hedonism with them. Such a thing never crossed anyone's mind in the old days, but here we are.
We the fans just have to pick the endings we're willing to accept. Every popular franchise will inevitably continue to be milked until it either dies the death of a slow decline, or somebody comes along and breaks it beyond repair.
Yes, I agree. Their audience will mainly be in England. As the 60 year deal the Australia broadcast company ABC who had always been promised they would have Doctor Who passed onto us as we passed things onto the BBC. Just as Great Britain dumped our farmers and produces when you join the common market when you joined with Disney, we lost free access to Doctor Who. And I will never pay for Disney+ content .
I go back to John Pertwee and Tom Baker and the show was pretty bad for special effects and monster makeup but no one really cared because the writing and acting was there. Money can buy you special effects it can't buy you talent.
As a New Zealander us kiwis loved Dr Who in the 1970's-80's. Jon Pertwee brought out the scientist in us and Tom Baker was just brilliant in turning silly themes into I don't want to go to bed tonight episodes! I miss that great T.V. Include in that Bob Newhart who just died.
It was huge in the US around 1978 onward, partially due to the hunger of sci-fi from Star Wars. I even went to massive Dr. Who conventions at the time. Thousands of people would attend in Boston up until the early 1990s where it started waning with the unpopularity of Sylvester McCoy and Colin Baker, mostly due to poor directing (arguably).
I think 'Legend of the Sea Devils' would have been the last NuWho episode if RTD and Disney hadn't come to the rescue. If Disny pull out (seems likely) then I don't think the BBC will fund Series 16. This means another long stint in the wilderness...
When even Ellie from who culture is saying Russel T Davis needs to focus more on story and less about causing a ruckus on social media, them you know it's a problem.
There were rumors back in the day the BBC was originally gonna cancelled doctor who after Jodie’s era, ending with her regenerating and put it in hiatus until Russel came along and soft reboot it, part of me now kinda wish it was put in hiatus…
Disney is haemorrhaging money. Blackrock did not get to where they are by flushing shareholders money down sh*tter. I would say it makes the future of Who more at risk rather than less.
Disagree. It did decline after Baker left and die in 1989, but was revived to great success in 2005 onwards. Some cracks were starting to show during the Capaldi era and that’s when the death spiral started.
Agreed. There are several doctors I've liked since (Eccleston was actually one of my faves!) though - but I stopped watching as soon as Tenant appeared. I've always hated that man. I just don't get it. Highly overrated actor.
Even the audios are now going woke, and it's a coin flip whether you'll get preached at or not, even when they star a previous Doctor, hearing Christopher Ecleston give a long rant about how men cause wars and women prevent them, so women lneed to lead the world, or having Paul Mcgan's previously straight companion suddenly not only date a trans woman, but also give a long speech about people being gay or bi or pan and how wonderful that was is just plane depressing! I've been a Doctor who fan for almost forty years, right through the slump era of the eighties or nineties, I've heard a good few audios and watched most of the classic and new series. Now, not only am I firmly out, and no longer watching the show, I actively want it to end! You want to talk about "representation", well as someone who hates to see the male Doctor mocked and belittled, you're not representing me, or other old time who fans! Finish Doctor who, and come back in ten or twenty years maybe when things are less insane! Back in 1989 the series was cancelled too soon, now it can't be cancelled soon enough!
@@halley4032 The big finish audio dramas used to be amazing, especially in their stories for past doctors. Heck, after his lackluster appearence in the 1996 tv movie, Paul Mcgan got to be one of the best doctors through his amazing arcs in the Bf audios, which actually turn him into someone who would! blow up the daleks and timelords in the time war. Want to see Davros at his most complex, or have the 6th doctor team up with a wonderful old history professor in her fifties (someone whom Colin Baker himself described as the Doctor's wife). I never cared for river song on Tv but her audios were fantastic, as were the audio series 5 and 6 of Torchwood which carried on the story after miracle day. But sadly, I've seen them just fall down hill in the last few years. From castigating HP Lovecraft for just existing, to turning every forray into the past into none specific oppression prawn. So, while I'd still recommend lots of their early stuff, you need to cut off before their modern offerings to avoid the Woke mind virus.
Agree with Halley, thank you VERY MUCH for the warning. Was also going to give them a try, but had this niggling memory of Colin Baker saying something about not liking the idea of the Doctor being female, his getting rounded on... and his backing off. He should have stood his ground and retained his self respect.
@@halley4032 The audio dramas from big finish actually used to be fantastic! The 8th Doctor got an entire character arc and one of the best moments in who history, the 6th doctor was far more likable than he was on TV and got a fantastic new companion in Evelyn Smithe, a 50 year old history professor. Even torchwood went on and had seasons 5 and 6, as well as a range of monthly adventures. Heck, I was not much of a fan of Riversong in the Mat Smith era, but she's been fantastic in the audios. The problem; as with everything, is the longer it went on, the worse the wokeness got. Trips to the past just to do olpppression prawn, castigating people like HP Lovecraft simply for existing, and of course even changing the sexuality of existing characters (they tried to make Leela gay, though Louise Jamison was able to at least mitigate things to implication, rather than overt statement). Would still highly recommend a lot of Bf's early stuff, EG the I Davros audios, monthly adventures like Master, Phantasmagoria, or the legend of the cybermen series, the 8th doctor and Lucy miller stuff etc. As with everything else the virus crept in slowly, but now it's hear, you can't pretend it's not there.
I've broken your toy. Here, take it back, I don't want it anymore.
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For the last 10 years is has been like that little brat sister that took your toys .
Very apt analogy
"Why is it wet?" 🤨
To be fair, it was pretty much already broken before Disney even hit their hands on it. Disney just made sure it was beyond all repair.
My concern is that they WON'T kill it off.
That is my worry. Or that they end it in such a way, that it cant come back. Out of spite due to the audience rejecting what they are doing. On the other hand they could go back to the BBC making it like it always was, and do it low budget. Low budget now is better than what it was in the 60s 70s and 80s...If they could write it as a quality drama, with spooky atmosphere and some hard sci fi ideas again that would be amazing, but I just dont thing the current day writers are up to it.
@@Simon-xc5oy Fortunately RTD's enthusiasm for retconning his ridiculous ideas into the show will ironically be its salvation I think.
Hopefully it'll get canceled and lie fallow until the BBC gets its act together and starts producing decent watchable drama again, though I suspect we'll get a third season as otherwise it will be to admit all those people who complained about its new era were right all along, and not bigoted, racist misogynists.
But then one day they will be able to use AI to have Capaldi's Doctor regenerate into a new Doctor, and Whittaker's era along with Disney Who can be decanonised, and reconned out of existence. No 'Timeless Children', no 'Flux', no 'Bigeneration' end of. And RTD can hardly complain if they do do that, as he's shown retconning the show is just fine under his rule.
@@Simon-xc5oy The current writers are social activists and have no experience writing sci-fi.
@@terrystewart1973 I doubt it will get a third season of Gatwa etc if Disney bail. For a start the BBC wont be able to afford it. They hived out off to Bad Wolf as a separate production / outside the BBC while keeping the rights etc as they were pushed. Looking at the Whitaker era the last season looked like something from CBeebies it was that poor in look and tone, you could see it was on a shoestring, albeit a modern one. Not as low budget as the 70s era, but it somehow looked worse, as other shows competing looked so much better in comparison, and had better writing and better actors...all I can say is Yaz....the only person worse than Whitaker and they deserved each other. Currently crowing about coming back to the roles for audio dramas with Big Finish! I bet they are a joy to listen to...wonder if Whitaker has learned to pronounce No properly yet? Or will it still be the slovenly, lazy part Yorkshire, part who knows what version she favoured....and that was...I dont Neeerrrrrrrrr!! Puke. Pure Puke. Imagine listening to that in your ear, along with the plank of wood that was Yaz, she cant act, she cant emote she cant even manage more than one or two expressions. How is she going to manage to convey what is going on in just audio via her voice....Hysterical. I just wonder how well they will sell. As you are going to have to pay to hear that....
If Gatwa is bailing which will be a relief, and Disney goes the show will be left with way less money, no lead and a BBC that cant really afford to make it. Maybe they will go to a couple of specials a year with whatever dreadful choice they pick next. If they can get someone to even produce and run it as RTD would probably go to. Word is he is only there for the two seasons etc in this deal with Gatwa....by the end of next year its going to be in the 1 million or so live views anyway as the audience will continue to drop off...
@@terrystewart1973 f*ck off bro, just suggesting AI makes you an idiot (as if the rest of your comment doesn’t already)
Disney and the BBC might stop making it, but they will never allow anyone to recreate the show in the style that the fans want.
Like Firefly...
Can’t see the beeb giving up the IP.
Doctor Who didn't "return". The Doctor is dead. He was killed by the Frankfurt School and BlackRock's funders. Replacement...
I.e WEF Stooge RTD and I am calling it RTD is in the WEF.
Never heared about a Franfurt School before.
Doctor! Explain!
Gramsci, Marcuse, Mao, the list canl go on.
Why hasn't there been a "Communism Studies Department" opened somewhere?
And soros and schwab are smiling as vanguard/blackrock is part of their group
@@eddysgaming9868 Long March Through the Institutions.
Their victory is almost complete.
It's now firmly Doctor Who cares.
You win the comment of the day award for 20 July 2024. Certificate is in the mail
I prefer doctor why.
@@SuperTab2 DR LGB...
more like Mammy Say What?!
@skylx0812 are you my mommy sorry had to
They jumped the shark with “the timeless child” but instead of realizing that and course correcting ..They were like “We need a bigger more diverse and inclusive Shark”
Nah jumped the shark sooner than that timeless children was the final blow hellbent is one such shark jump
@@subjectnivleis7572 Heaven Sent to Hell Bent was the step change. The former delivered what made the show special, the latter a lore-breaking, gender-bending disaster.
The problem for me with the Timeless Child is that it made the Doctor special and that I feel was against the point of the character. The Doctor shouldn't be special, they are even a bit crap as being a Time Lord goes, but they always try to do the right thing regardless.
@@robertbrown3413 ahh so you see what I see :)
@@voteDC exactly. the Doctor is SPECIAL because he ISN'T SPECIAL. but not anymore.
The cultural vandalism IS the point.
Exactly right!
Soros & schwab are smiling and so many still refuse to believe blackrock /vanguard is part of that group and that group just tried to take out and orange man
I like this term. It perfectly describes the woke cancer eroding all of society.
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There is no form of cancer called "woke"so no idea what you're talking about there. If youy mean the "woke mob"" that's just not true. YOU're in denial of being a bigot, which you are.
@@turbohusqueEasier to push socialism that way
With the current state of Dr Who. Disney need to be wary of pulling 'the plug'. You don't know where it's been...😮
I see what you did there ... excellent
My personal favorite Doctor Who is Tom Baker as he was the first Doctor that was openly televised here in the U.S. Now it's more like Doctor WTF??
I've been watching since 1974 when Jon Pertwee turned into Tom Baker. I was 4 years old. I stopped watching during Capaldi's era.
To me its now Doctor ??? (Because it sure is not Doctor Who.)
😆Dr. What?
@@countofdownable Same. The Doctor is dead.
How can Disney be disappointed in the performance or financial return? They did the same thing to the Doctor that they've done with Star Wars, Indiana Jones and the Marvel franchises. Disappointed kind of implies the results are UN-expected. If ANYONE at Disney DIDN'T expect the same results from the same idiotic practices, then they shouldn't be entrusted to wipe themselves after using the toilet.
It's a result of whites being too generous. White man rose to the top of the food chain based on their merits and then out of the kindness of their hearts they helped others up to their positions.. But those other people should have never been elevated. Those other races genders and demographics never should have been elevated to the positions where they could make decisions because they were not as kind
I never tire of the Eccleston/Tennant/Smitty/Capaldi episodes!
Well Done!
"Tackled racism" - if, by that, they mean '2 minutes at the end when she gets her only real friend killed and then tells Ncuti that she doesn't want to go with him' then yes it "tackled racism" and fell on its arse.
From looking at the state of Fruity Gatwa I would not go away with him either...I think she made the right choice...
Which seemed to have been the most absurdly written episode, in that the story made little sense, and pandered to progressive racial bigotry against whites.
Oddly enough, I'd say the biggest con in all of this is whomsoever transliterated his folks' language into the Latin alphabet. I can't help but want to call him Nickooty Gateway.
@@mjbull5156It was just them trying to push anti-white propaganda
Ironically, that zenith, with Matt Smith, Moffat and Amy/Clara was when I started to lose interest.
The interest hasn't returned.
Much as I like Matt Smith (all the Doctors until 13) Amy/Clara was super annoying. You started to see the digs at 'males' even then. It was like they were testing the waters with her and decided to go all in with 13. Downright drowned now.
This right here. I stopped watching the show as soon as David Tennant left because Matt Smith's run on the show was so boring.
@@veganconservative1109 Absolutely. Moffat couldn't jump into his dress quick enough.
Once the Master became Missy it was clear what was on the cards.
I think Amy and Rory were good characters together Rory's transformed from dorky male nurse to legendary hero is among my favorite character arcs and the epic way he fights for her when she is taken is powerful storytelling, Clair in my humble opinion never lived up to the set-up, Dalek Claire and Victorian Claire were an interesting conundrum and I didn't think the resolution was very satisfying
@@user-dv2hc8zt3o Yeh, I didn't much care for the 'fairytale' route the show went either.
Im 53. Grew up watching Tom Baker as the Doctor every Sunday night. It was always a show for nerds, like me. It really didn't matter the nationality or race, nerds normally were into Who. Unfortunately the show was taken over by people who hate the fans, like Star Wars, Halo, and almost everything else these days
I'm afraid to ask what happened to Halo...
@00110000 they let people who never played the games make the show. In the first few episodes they strip the Chief naked and have hum have sex with the enemy. I quit watching after that
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Ive been watching since Jon Pertwee turned into Tom Baker. Stopped watching during Capaldi's era.
That first sentence is funny out of context
I actually think Jon Pertwee was the best, but Tom Baker really nailed it. Dr. Who is supposed to be weird, funny and smart. If you can do those things, then you have a show. Otherwise I'm out.
Yes I was the same. I thought Capaldi's first season was fairly poor, it was too much of a wrench from Smith. Then as his hair grew out and he became more Pertwee like I started to warm to him more, you could see he was a fan and what he was trying to do, but the whole agenda in the writing and behind the scenes ruined the rest of his run. He was reduced to an extra in his own show. Clara took all the focus, it was all about her and the female Master....the last season was just a dry run for Whitaker with them preparing the ground with the comments made by his Doctor and Bill etc....Bill the lesbian, who was a lesbian and kept telling everyone she was a lesbian...Hi I am Bill! I dont fancy men! I am Bill....I prefer girls! I am Bill, did I mention I was a lesbian??? I knew it was dying and once Whitaker was announced I was gone and out. I have not gone back since, I just read the news on the show, what is going on etc and follow the critic on youtube out of loyalty to what was, and in the vain hope one day it might go back to being that...Doctor Who. Sadly I am now at the stage where I want to see it taken off air before more damage is done. It needs to be out of production for about ten years like last time.....
@@Simon-xc5oy I had the same experience, but it was wild for me because I could sense it going bad as it was happening, and I was about 15 at the time. I wasn't even political then, but I could tell something was wrong since I hated the bill character and I noticed pretty much all the episodes in season 10 weren't memorable at all. At least they started ramping up their agenda after season 10, cause that makes it easier to buy the "first 10 seasons" box set, since "first 9" or "first 11" might be more awkward
@@WhoLover Yes for me Capaldi was the last Doctor, that was the same man, a Time Lord from Gallifrey. After that it turns into all sorts of other crap and its not Doctor Who. That was the point of the character from the ground up...Doctor....Who??? Who is he really? And bits and pieces of his back story were drip fed into the show over the decades. You never found out he was Time Lord till Troughton was in the role. Then you got more of his own race and its back story with Pertwee being banished to Earth, and then the Baker version going back to Gallifrey against his wishes in stuff like Deadly Assassin. But you never got much of the Doctor's own history. Just that he stole a TARDIS and ran from Gallifrey as he did not agree with them having so much power and not helping others, and he wanted to see the Universe and not just basically read about it at home. We find out he was boyhood friends with the Master and at a "school" with him. And that he used to meet up with an old hermit outside the capitol and hear his stories about the other worlds etc out there when he was a boy. We never find out what his real name is. Other than the TIme Lords designation for him Theta Sigma. And we never find out about his parents or family, other than his grand daughter...and even that is hinted at being not exactly true...is she really his grand daughter? Or adopted? And that is it....nothing else...Till Chinballs turned him into a her and a supposed portal traveller from some other place....its all utter crap now, truly...
Dead and buried years ago.
It's a rotting corpse. Who'd notice if the plug got pulled
No, Jodie Whittaker was NOT a fine doctor. She wasn't THE DOCTOR. It was not her gender, it was the appalling writing.
I always said a female Doctor could work, but the network would never allow such a version to exist. Though ideally, the Doctor should always be male. The idea that a Time Lord can switch gender on regeneration should never have been a thing.
@@clintmatthews3500 Joanna Lumley played an entirely credible Doctor in Rowan Atkins' comedy special.
The Doctor should NOT be feminist, because feminists do NOT want equality.
It never was till the mentally ill mob took over franchises @@clintmatthews3500
@@clintmatthews3500 but that was established a long time ago
A Female Doctor BEFORE Missy , would have been new & edgy
After Missy it was pointless box ticking
I used to watch Tom Baker's Dr.Who every Sunday morning. It was low budget, but it was entertaining and intelligent. I'd love to see the new series budget get cut because it would force the creators to do more, and better, with less resources. 'The Message' would have to be dumped pretty quickly.
Indeed. Classic who had a tiny budget yet created so many memorable characters and stories because they had to focus on those things as there were few special effects.
%100 agree about classic who and the great acting and stories despite bbc budgets.
However, whether it was a pittance or a fortune, the likes of Davies would always be pushing the message.
The answer isn't cutting the budgeet but cutting the writers!
Congrats to Disney! You ruined another IP!
They're determined to destroy all the old IPs so they can then rebuild them as woke propaganda. Look at Star Wars, Marvel, Doctor Who, Indiana Jones - the list goes on and on.
Letting liberals control art is a bad idea
It was ruined long before Disney got involved, and unlike Star War they don't own the IP.
It was already being ruined by the B. B. C.
Tom Baker was the best Doctor Who.
"You may be a doctor. But I'm the Doctor. The definite article, you might say."
Tom Baker was the best Doctor by every metric
I watched TB Dr. Who in the U.S. in the late 70's on the UHF frequency band. The special effects budget then would be considered laughable today, yet the cheap effects were elevated by good story telling.
He's the Who I grew up with. He's the Who I think of when someone brings it up.
I agree, but Pertwee was really great. That was Tom Baker's predecessor. Yeah, I'm old😁
@@lockwoodthexton I'm 57, just on the wrong side of the ocean to have had consistent access to British TV shows.
Low budget but great stories, yeah, I could handle that.
I was a kid and loved Tom Baker on Doctor Who/PBS. Everyone knew to leave me alone when Who was on. The effects, imo, were better back then than they are today. They were scarier.
It seems to be a universal trend. As the budget for special effects and location shoots went up, the quality of the storytelling went down. It happened on Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, and other shows. They have whiz-bang pyrotechnics, but the magic is gone.
It’s difficult to see how Disney couldn’t pull the plug if looked at from a purely financial perspective. RTD stole what was left of the magic after the disastrous Chibnall run. It’s needs a long rest.
Hardcore US Doctor Who fan here. I remember watching Tom Baker on PBS in the mid 80s. Ah, the good old days.
Id love to see the early episodes before Ecckleston
@@Dancestar1981 They are available on Tubi
Please let this be true! They just axed Halo at Paramount, let this be next for us Whovians!
Wow...Halo is binned? It was bad, really bad. I am not even a fan of Halo games but was aware of them and the story etc and have played some. That tv show was a dreadful version....I gave up part way through the first season. Paramount are in serious trouble since the Skydance deal fell through so its no shock really that they need to save money. Another company run into the ground out of stupidity and woke pushing. It would not be in the mess its in if they had made Star Trek in the style of Trek. Like the classic series or Next Gen or Deep Space 9. Instead it was Discovery...and terrible, and they refused to bin it. Spending more and more and pushing it harder and harder to five season of utter over priced crap that no one watched or liked....and here they are. On the rocks and almost bust...
I never watched halo because I didn't wanna see Master cheeks. Am I spartanphobic?
Couldn't possibly take the radical step of, oh I don't know, not making it woke!
Doctor Who: Is Disney Pulling The Butt Plug?
It had run out of steam by the time the Matt Smith run was finished, story wise. Now it's running on fumes
Doctor Poo and the Turdis.
That's one way to put it 😂😂😂
This was once an actual satirical radio show in Australia.
And i think a Viz cartoon short
Doctor Who being a 'lower budgeted production with a primarily UK-based audience' sounds good to me. It was always the eccentric Britishness of the show that was appealing - something that has been thrown away in place of CGI cartoon-ery and complete betrayal (by RTD) of what the show is about. But I don't think we'll be that lucky. Why should the BBC continue to invest in a show that now only pulls in 2-3 million viewers?
The older ones are better and the farther back you go the more obvious that is. It’s getting harder and harder to watch anything made after about 2000. I really miss the 90s the entertainment industry was so much better.
Absolutely! I’ll take a smart, well written show with a small effects budget over a multi million dollar, CGI bloated show that was written by idiots…any day of the week.
Back when everyone had a moral compass not a political one
I honestly just dumped doctor who FOR time travel shows from the 90s. Mirror Mirror and Girl From Tomorrow may have only gotten two seasons each, and had the budget of a shoe string, but at least they were charming and well written. Even when season 2 of Mirror Mirror got preachy, it was fairly harmless. Even Greenstone, which I'd argue is the closest thing to a message pushing episode, isn't half as bad as Doctor Who at present.
I mean idk doctor who was still pretty good during the 2005 revival. Nowadays it's just woke garbage.
@@crystalbry4741 oh don't get me wrong I LOVED Doctor Who from 2005 to the capalidi era, but in retrospect, seeing what it led up to, meh, I'm over it.
We can only hope
Disney would have to have intelligence guiding it, to pull the plug. What, of everything Disney has produced in the last several years, has shown any intellect?
what made me sad was that i just watched a video about Dr. Who from the Matt Smith era (propse to the creator, quite good)
After all 35 minutes, i was depressed.
Matt was my daughter's First Doctor, and the times we watched it were special to us. It even gave us little chuckes and catchphrases between she and I.
She's grown now, and Dr. Who was eliminated by that jodi-person, and now it's just garbage.
I'd go back and watch Tom Baker, or even Pertwee. Definitely Doc and Amy Pond, for sure!
I remember being a young lad, waiting up to watch the public TV station that aired British TV on Saturday nights, and DR. Who was on at 10pm
It has been damaged beyond repair.
Matt Smith had some fantastic writing imo. I'm glad he left when he did so his legacy wasn't ruined by the subsequent plummet in quality.
@@davidjsaul although he did say that he didn't wanna leave at first probably because it was fun and everyone was nice and jemma Coleman was great as well.
As a New Zealander we us kiwis loved Dr Who in the 1970's-80's. Jon Pertwee brought out the scientist in us and Tom Baker was just brilliant in turning silly themes into I don't want to go to bed tonight episodes! I miss that great T.V. Include in that Bob Newhart who just died.
I'd much rather see even the dodgiest episodes of the original 1963-1989 run than any of the melodramatic YA schlock from Nu Who. In retrospect I'm sorry I ever gave Nu Who a chance. I watched it all from Eccleston to Capaldi and I now regret it, because that led us to where we are now. Bit by bit, step by step, it degenerated into perhaps the most embarrassing show on TV... and that's saying something.
I have the 5th, 6th, and 7th DW episodes downloaded. I never needed more DW, the show ended well with the Doctor and Ace walking off to go on another adventure.
@@scottianson5133 Bingo, my friend. Exactly my thoughts.
I totally agree. I honestly cannot see how after Capaldi was any different to before Capaldi ended.
All the cringeworthy elements were there since 2005. The insipid plots, the insufferable background music, the overly wacky boyfriend doctor as opposed to wise and cerebral, the lame drama school acting, the indulgent political correctness, the smug retconning of old lore, and not coming up with their own ideas.
The 2005 reboot was subpar from the beginning. The audience has to take some of the blame for not rejecting this rubbish in 2005.
The show jumped the shark with The Devil's Chord, which might well be the worst episode in the show's history. Davies threw the rulebook out of the window, as he's replaced science fiction with magical fantasy.
I can accept the Toymaker as his own thing, who follows the rules of play, but the Maestro broke the show by disregarding any rules whatsoever.
Doesn't help that the drag queen actor gave one of the worst performances I've ever seen, down there with Peter Kay in Love and Monsters. The story was infuriating. The Disneyfication of Doctor Who was fully onscreen: a High School Musical song and dance sequence should never be in Doctor Who.
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You mean social depravity doesn't sell to traditional Scifi fans? Who knew? 🙄
What social depravity?
There was a study that showed that to most people watching two guys kiss was actually the same response as if they were watching maggots
Not kidding.. If you want to normalize gay people then forcing it down people's throats like that wasn't the answer.. The amount of homophobia only increased ever since the Communists started pushing that shit
Dr Who......
I'd rather count my pasta shells than watch this muck..
I'd rather watch you count the pasta shells
1,878,902 blades of grass..1,878,...hey guys do weeds count as grass?
It's worth noting that the BBC got 60 million+ viewers on iPlayer because all of the older episodes are there. They're not watching the new stuff.
Going back to being a small UK audience focused show would be the best thing for it. The higher budget sets and effects have always looked a bit off to anyone that was used to the 05 reboot era
It's sad when fans of a franchise are forced to hope it becomes defunct as the best option available.
Should've ended it with the 12th Doctor while they still had the chance. 12 numbers on a clock, 12 Doctors. It would've made sense.
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12 regenerations so13 Doctors
The only time Dr Who tackled racism was with Martha. When she went back in time, the people there questioned her presence as a black female and berated her, and she responded magnificently. It was a great reflection on how attitudes have changed for the better.
I'm watching my way through the classic era from Jon Pertwee onwards, currently in the later end of the Peter Davison period. Virtually every episode from back then wipes the floor with Ncuti Gatwa's episodes, despite having cheap primitive VFX. They had really good writing and a dedication to telling a great story, and that makes all the difference.
Who knew that insulting your fanbase, calling them names, and telling them not to watch would hurt ratings? Oh, that's right. EVERYONE.
Dr Who is now Dr Who cares. Sad.
Disney is not funding another season of Fruity Gatwa? That's surprising. Given Disney's lengthening list of entertainment failures, one would think the woke company is committed to financial suicide.
Two points. The BBC is unlikely to fund it on their own now as they are facing major cuts. Also the show reaching a high of 7th on the list of most in-demand series in the US. This is just for one week and one particular episode with estimated viewership of the top show on this list being under 1 million views. 7th is nothing to write home about.
I adored disney until this century. Wouldn't watch Disney+ (or any other entertainment service) for free. Come to think of it, Mint just ended a free offer for some other service (Paramount?) and I couldn't be bothered with that either. There's too much other truly enjoyable stuff to do with my free time. (Like watching entertainment critics lambast the entertainment woke industry.)
@@veganconservative1109 I still watch Disney plus. But nothing new they put out. They don't get any views on new content from me and that's enough.
I've been a long time Dr Who fan from the 80's. I started watching in the US via public TV -- was channel surfing when I stumbled across a Tom Baker episode and it captivated me. The dark and often scary themes (I was a kid back then) was also a bit thought provoking and the Tom Baker run became my favorite Doctor. Since then I have tracked down as many of the earlier Doctors and the 5th, 6th, and 7th. I saw the 8th Doctor when that aired in the US. When the new Dr Who started in the US I did watch, but as the new Who progressed I realized it was a different approach. The special effects were good, acting was decent, I was uncertain about the styling of the stories, but give it all a good shot at watching. The Matt Smith run started to lose me, tho and I started to actively nitpick beginning with the narration of the opening credits. It became obvious to me that the show was talking down to the audience. By the Capaldi run I started to cut myself off from Dr Who. At first I thought maybe the writers were going to pull the series back towards a more Tom Baker-ish era where the series could get darker, or maybe more on a classic feel, whatever... I was hoping because I saw the potential. Gone was the annoying narration from the Matt Smith run. Instead there was clocks and the spiral spin of the opening segment, hints at a time oriented theme with a nod to the classic "tunnel" of the old classic series. But soon I realized I was wrong, and wrong to hope. So I pulled back, stopped watching, and haven't looked back. Instead if I ever feel the need to watch an episode I'll watch one of those from the classic era that I've collected. Why I'm writing all of this? Well, I suppose it's so that at least a reader of the comments would know a bit of my story that here was a classic fan who tried to get onboard with the new series. At least the world will know, that my experience is "out there" now in a comment.
Was watching when Matt Smith became the doctor and continued enjoying through about mid way through Capaldi. Absolutely abandoned it before Jodi became the Doctor. As an American audience member, I agree with your assessment.
Same here, I got bored with it. My last episode of Modern Who was 2015's Husband's of River Song, and I didn't even like that one either.
According to what was said a year or two ago, RTD only has a contract for two seasons and a few specials, and the expectation was always that the series stands a good chance of being cancelled afterwards, unexpected major success notwithstanding. I think bringing RTD back was always a 'last roll of the dice' idea; bearing in mind that I believe the series was nearly cancelled twice during Chibnall's tenure.
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I remember when you could go into any store and see Dr. Who merch everywhere. Look how hard it's fallen off.
Doctor Who ended with Peter Capaldi's run. Neither Jodie Whittaker nor this new guy are actually the Doctor
Chibnal killed it and RTD is in the woods digging a hole.
Someone needs to pull the plug on Disney.
I’m a classic Who fanatic. Nu Who had its high points but it can never compare to the 1963-1989 era.
The awful quality of the last several years should make people question whether it was good at all post 2005. All the things people complain about now were there since 2005 in my opinion.
The puerile plots, too much fantasy, drama school acting, smug desecration of old lore, insipid overbearing background music.
I went out to touch grass, but there was no space available. Then it hit me, I needed a career change. Now I'm a professional grass grower and I take care of all the grass around my country, be it the (previously) unwanted weeds growing stubbornly by the side of the road or the beautifully curated plants on our roundabouts, I care for all of it. People wanting to touch grass have been donating me money so that I grassify more areas due to the fact that the supply can't keep up with the demand. There is not enough space. We need to petition to our councils and governments to create more empty, unused but fertile areas so that we can grow more grass because our lawns aren't enough anymore. Just now my neighbours can barely touch a single blade of grass with one of their fingers due to the overcrowding of the area.
Please, help us.
My favourite Doctors remain Pertwee and Baker with Smith not far behind. I stopped watching halfway though Capaldi's era and never came back to the franchise. I discovered Doctor Who here in Canada in the late 70's. It was playing on PBS in the US and with a good antenna (and the help of some steel wool) we could watch American TV although with a lot of interference. I fell in love with the series. But the Capaldi era started a trend that is all too prevalent on TV and movies these days.
The show went off the rails in season two of Matt Smith’s run. The storylines became so confusing that basically everyone in the states stopped watching. It basically ended during that time.
Lost interest when it became The Clara Oswald Show.
The Day of the Doctor marked a fitting conclusion to Doctor Who for me.
Only a retcon binning everything from 2017 onwards will save it.
Mammy of Gone With the Wind only had one big crying scene and that was enough. And in the 30s.
This struttin Dr. Cry Me A River is an insult of epic proportions.
See, the Doctor I'll always remember is Tom Baker, because that's when we could first see Dr. Who in the states in my area. They ran his episodes on the local public television channel at our vacation cabin.
My favourite versions of the Doctor coincide with well written stories that had me legitimately fearing for the outcomes of the characters. Stories in which the Doctor beat the baddies, saved the day and/or made a difficult choice that was the better of two bad options. From what I understand, recent actors playing the role and writers creating the stories have forgotten this basic idea.
I have a home made edited version of Capaldi's last story which I turned into the finale of Doctor Who (also edited out some of the cringe moments that I didn't think was in keeping with the 1st Doctor). I loved that show. So sad what's happened to it. Cancellation would be in Doctor Who's best interest.
With the trajectory of the show in the ratings being what it was, who didn't see this coming?
Last doctor who I saw was when the doctor mis gendered a furby and got told off, then the wheelchair lady started shooting rockets from her wheelchair. I just couldn't.
I hate to admit it, but we are in a time when I'm not 100% sure that's a joke.
@@thisspaceforrent5737 The furby's pronouns were "The definite article", or "the meep".
Go woke - go broke 🤷🏻♀️
I won't even mention that it's no longer a show suitable for children
Very much like the modern Disney shows!
they dont go woke, they just print more more money and the public pays for it with inflation.
My own prescription is a complete reversal of Jon Pertwee's era: _go away from modern-day Earth and don't look back_ . Focus on outer-space adventure with alien worlds, alien societies, high-tech gadgets, monsters and spaceships. "Develop" the companions all you want, but develop them through their experiences across time and space, *not* by returning to check in with their jobs and families every third day.
And if the budget won't support complex costumes and alien worlds and impressive space stations and awesome special effects? Do it anyway! Do it on the cheap, no matter how lame it looks, and focus on writing good stories instead. Doctor Who doesn't need to compete with Hollywood blockbusters on visuals; it never could anyway, and it's a distraction from good writing.
Wish I could upvote this twice. Don't have the budget? Do it anyway! As long as the story and characters are there, our imaginations will more than compensate for cheap-looking sets and costumes. And make it smart! The problem with big budgets is that the more they spend, the more "accessible" (read: dumbed-down) they want it to be.
Isn't that exactly what Big Finish are doing?
New Who always reminds me of the Transformers movie scenario. As a young kid in the 80s Transformers was EVERYTHING to me, just as Dr Who was from 1987 onwards. When the live action movie came along I was over the moon. When I watched it, it was great. The redesigns, not casting Frank Welker alongside Cullen, the crude humour, emphasis on sexiness and fast cars made it a film for the Top Gear generation of lads rather than the nerds of the 80s. I put up with all the crap stuff because it was a dream come true to have TF back in my life, in live action, and with the whole world able to see the thing I loved for all those years. I assumed all the flaws would be ironed out as the sequels progressed, but instead they doubled down on them all, and I walked away after the 2nd movie.
That's how I feel about Dr Who - it was everything to me between 1987 and 2005, and from 2005 onwards I saw this flawed version of the show brought ti the masses. The good outweighed the bad and surely they would learn from their mistakes? No they didn't, but at least a new showrunner would fix things? I mean, classic Who changed its producer, script editor and format every few years. The Moffat era did at first bu watering down the RTD flaws and increasing the quality, but from Amy & Rory's final season the crapiness kicked in. By the point Clara and Missy were the stars of the show, I walked away. I could have been tempted back by the new showrunner/format but they chose the worst writer the show had ever known and he used identity politics as a shield and sword against any criticism. And then when you think the next showrunner might fix things, we are back to Russell T Fucking Davies! They've had 20 years to perfect the format and instead have got worse and worse. I can still watch and love classic Who (although the hindsight of what it becomes makes it hard), but I find it impossible to ever rewatch the new series with the knowledge that it didn't improve the problems it had, it just emphasised them even more.
It's now canon that the Doctor spends his spare time "doing" humans and participating in vile hedonism with them. Such a thing never crossed anyone's mind in the old days, but here we are.
It's horrifying, especially for a show that was still generally geared to kids/families.
It's "canon" only if you accept anything from Timeless Children on.
We the fans just have to pick the endings we're willing to accept. Every popular franchise will inevitably continue to be milked until it either dies the death of a slow decline, or somebody comes along and breaks it beyond repair.
I think the production difference between Tennant and Smith is just because BBC was changing to HD at the time.
The RTD giveth and the RTD taketh away.
RTD giveth a gay....and the audience took itself away....
They turned the camp dial to 11, and then broke the knob off (literally)
I hope they pull the plug it has gone from the pinnacle of Sci Fi to gay fan fiction.
By the end of season 2 … this will have a viewership in the thousands not millions. They can’t stop themselves killing the product.
I feel sorry for all the people who work behind the scene who may not have a job now.
It's almost like the quality of acting, writing, production and connections with the fan based all went up when Moffat took over. Funny that.
not only all that woke shit ruined doctor who but they also ruined doctor who by making him into a wizard.
Typical Disney - he has to be a superhero!
Making him a black homosexual didn't help either
New Who was always a woke wizard and BBC propagandist.
@MarshallTheArtist No it hasn't. Otherwise it wouldn't have so many non faggy fans.
@@Aaliyahchannel2024 It doesn't, though. We're all faggy. If you like it, then you're faggy too.
Yes, I agree. Their audience will mainly be in England. As the 60 year deal the Australia broadcast company ABC who had always been promised they would have Doctor Who passed onto us as we passed things onto the BBC.
Just as Great Britain dumped our farmers and produces when you join the common market when you joined with Disney, we lost free access to Doctor Who.
And I will never pay for Disney+ content .
The grass I touched was lovely.
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The Tennant Era is the only time I can recall Doctor Who receiving any awards.
I go back to John Pertwee and Tom Baker and the show was pretty bad for special effects and monster makeup but no one really cared because the writing and acting was there. Money can buy you special effects it can't buy you talent.
As a New Zealander us kiwis loved Dr Who in the 1970's-80's. Jon Pertwee brought out the scientist in us and Tom Baker was just brilliant in turning silly themes into I don't want to go to bed tonight episodes! I miss that great T.V. Include in that Bob Newhart who just died.
The COPE in that article is hilarious XD
It was huge in the US around 1978 onward, partially due to the hunger of sci-fi from Star Wars. I even went to massive Dr. Who conventions at the time. Thousands of people would attend in Boston up until the early 1990s where it started waning with the unpopularity of Sylvester McCoy and Colin Baker, mostly due to poor directing (arguably).
Dr Who went Disney, never go full Disney, I don’t know anyone still watching this.
I think 'Legend of the Sea Devils' would have been the last NuWho episode if RTD and Disney hadn't come to the rescue. If Disny pull out (seems likely) then I don't think the BBC will fund Series 16. This means another long stint in the wilderness...
Doesn't bother me if it's cancelled
When even Ellie from who culture is saying Russel T Davis needs to focus more on story and less about causing a ruckus on social media, them you know it's a problem.
Well touching the grass is more fun.
Touching the cloth is more fun.
There were rumors back in the day the BBC was originally gonna cancelled doctor who after Jodie’s era, ending with her regenerating and put it in hiatus until Russel came along and soft reboot it, part of me now kinda wish it was put in hiatus…
Why would Disney pull the plug? This show represents Disney's core values and Blackrock is paying for it.
For fear of sounding stupid, what exactly is Black Rock? I don't doubt its influence, Im just not exactly sure what it is.
@@jameydunne3920 Investment corporation with more than 10 trillion(!) dollars. The biggest driving force behind ESG.
Disney is haemorrhaging money. Blackrock did not get to where they are by flushing shareholders money down sh*tter. I would say it makes the future of Who more at risk rather than less.
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I never even watched the last Matt Smith episode, the writing went downhill so hard prior to that. Clara was such an insufferable addition.
Series one of the reboot is now the best. Piper and Eccleston were so good.
Tom Baker was the definitive Doctor. It's been a long, slow death since then.
Disagree. It did decline after Baker left and die in 1989, but was revived to great success in 2005 onwards. Some cracks were starting to show during the Capaldi era and that’s when the death spiral started.
Agreed. There are several doctors I've liked since (Eccleston was actually one of my faves!) though - but I stopped watching as soon as Tenant appeared. I've always hated that man. I just don't get it. Highly overrated actor.
@@mrsunshine6936 I did like 9 and 10, 11. 12 purely on the strength of the actor and nothing else.
@@hayleylongster4698 I liked Tennant's Doctor at first, but the actor... not so much.
@@hayleylongster4698 I actually liked Paul McCann, but he never got a chance. Anyway, never let a great IP diè with dignity, I always say.
Show's been on life support for nearly a decade now!
Go Woke Go Broke!!!
Disney destroys Dr Who,Netflix destroyes Black mirror...why can't they leave our stuff alone
Even the audios are now going woke, and it's a coin flip whether you'll get preached at or not, even when they star a previous Doctor, hearing Christopher Ecleston give a long rant about how men cause wars and women prevent them, so women lneed to lead the world, or having Paul Mcgan's previously straight companion suddenly not only date a trans woman, but also give a long speech about people being gay or bi or pan and how wonderful that was is just plane depressing!
I've been a Doctor who fan for almost forty years, right through the slump era of the eighties or nineties, I've heard a good few audios and watched most of the classic and new series.
Now, not only am I firmly out, and no longer watching the show, I actively want it to end!
You want to talk about "representation", well as someone who hates to see the male Doctor mocked and belittled, you're not representing me, or other old time who fans!
Finish Doctor who, and come back in ten or twenty years maybe when things are less insane!
Back in 1989 the series was cancelled too soon, now it can't be cancelled soon enough!
Blimey, and I was going to give the audio books a try .... thanks for the heads up ....
@@halley4032 The big finish audio dramas used to be amazing, especially in their stories for past doctors.
Heck, after his lackluster appearence in the 1996 tv movie, Paul Mcgan got to be one of the best doctors through his amazing arcs in the Bf audios, which actually turn him into someone who would! blow up the daleks and timelords in the time war.
Want to see Davros at his most complex, or have the 6th doctor team up with a wonderful old history professor in her fifties (someone whom Colin Baker himself described as the Doctor's wife).
I never cared for river song on Tv but her audios were fantastic, as were the audio series 5 and 6 of Torchwood which carried on the story after miracle day.
But sadly, I've seen them just fall down hill in the last few years.
From castigating HP Lovecraft for just existing, to turning every forray into the past into none specific oppression prawn.
So, while I'd still recommend lots of their early stuff, you need to cut off before their modern offerings to avoid the Woke mind virus.
So basically Ecclastsn is now no better than RTD? Despite them not liking each other?
Agree with Halley, thank you VERY MUCH for the warning. Was also going to give them a try, but had this niggling memory of Colin Baker saying something about not liking the idea of the Doctor being female, his getting rounded on... and his backing off. He should have stood his ground and retained his self respect.
@@halley4032 The audio dramas from big finish actually used to be fantastic!
The 8th Doctor got an entire character arc and one of the best moments in who history, the 6th doctor was far more likable than he was on TV and got a fantastic new companion in Evelyn Smithe, a 50 year old history professor.
Even torchwood went on and had seasons 5 and 6, as well as a range of monthly adventures.
Heck, I was not much of a fan of Riversong in the Mat Smith era, but she's been fantastic in the audios.
The problem; as with everything, is the longer it went on, the worse the wokeness got.
Trips to the past just to do olpppression prawn, castigating people like HP Lovecraft simply for existing, and of course even changing the sexuality of existing characters (they tried to make Leela gay, though Louise Jamison was able to at least mitigate things to implication, rather than overt statement).
Would still highly recommend a lot of Bf's early stuff, EG the I Davros audios, monthly adventures like Master, Phantasmagoria, or the legend of the cybermen series, the 8th doctor and Lucy miller stuff etc.
As with everything else the virus crept in slowly, but now it's hear, you can't pretend it's not there.