Akatosh Lied About the Amulet of Kings - An Elder Scrolls Theory
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2019
- Although Akatosh might have helped Martin Septim save Tamriel in the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion through the Amulet of Kings, it could be the case that Akatosh is far from an omnibenevolent Aedra. Elder Scrolls Oblivion theory.
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Akatosh lied. Akatosh told the guard that poor Cicero is...
A lady.
SWAG!
Intriguing, but highly disturbing.
That's it - I'm placing you under arrest!
Lady Cicero hot
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I always thought that Aedra unlike the Daedra are acting like they're good to get more followers, because more followers = more power, which is very important to them because they lost it in the creation of Mundus. Deadra act in whatever manner they want because they didn't lost their power.
Aedra don't portray themselves as anything they don't have the power to directly communicate with mortals they don't have the power, it is the mortals who portray the gods as they are then worship it to make a splinter of said god with the personality as the worshippers represent them.
It's nice to hear someone speak on how bad of a reputation Lorkhan has while Auriel who didn't initially even like the races of men is worshipped now as Akatosh thanks to that dragonbreak
Half of Elven cultures. Ayelids, Chimer and Dwemer had totally forsaken the worship of Aaedra.
Even the Bosmer also (or mainly?) worship the local forest spirits.
A small correction here: Ayleids worshipped both Aedra and Daedra, similar to Khajiit (which is another quasi- but elvish race that worships both Aedra and Daedra).
From what I've read, while there was Daedra worship among the Ayleids, they originally started out as Aedra worshippers and this seemed to remain the prominent religion for most of them....though I can imagine that it died out when they found out that the Aedra betrayed them for the humans. And true, the humans were being enslaved...but the only reason that happened is because they invaded Cyrodiil in the first place. I doubt their genocide against the Snow Elves helped relations either.
@@zeveria7206 The Falmer genocide though excessive was a conflict they brought upon themselves, if they hadn't committed the first heinous act of sacking Saarthal doubt the nords would've gone to such lengths to see them pay
Of course they attacked Saarthal. The Nords invaded their land, settled on it, and stole the Eye of Magnus. That's what any sovereign nation would do when strangers just show up and start taking land like they own the place. It's what the Dunmer did, it's what the Dwemer did (against the Nords *and* the Dunmer until they found peace) and, yes, what the Ayleids did. And it's not coincidence that the Aldmeri Dominion was born out of revenge and hatred for the empire. People don't like it when you steal their land.
*SPOILER*
Something else to posit is that in ESO, Mannimarco states that Chim El Adabal is actually the most powerful soul gem in existence. Apparently it's so powerful it could rob an Aedra/Daedra of their entire essence (in his case, he wanted to absorb Molag Bal), which now begs to question just what are soul gems to begin with.
Atleast that's what he thinks, he has no way to know for sure since no one had ever tried it before. And given how Molag was playing him the entire time, he was likley tricked
Also, fairly certain Molag Bal himself was responsible for the first soul gems. So that's another thing to consider
@@the_dropbear4392 Molag Bal would certainly enjoy torturing people more if he new is prey was more capable or dangerous. However, it's probably not a good enough reason for Molag to level the field between his prey and him. If this was possible, do you think it would risk the Godhead itself being trapped in a soulgem in its own reality?
@@donaldpetersen2382 sorry I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
@@the_dropbear4392 I don't think Molag Bal was playing Mannimarco since he was able to hide his intentions pretty well until he boasted about it in front of everyone like the egomaniacal idiot he is. Molag couldn't have done much to Mannimarco while he was alive since, despite his hubris, he must have thought of ways to escape MB in case he did find out. But when Mannimarco dies, something he most likely never thought would happen since, again, he was up his own ass, his soul essentially became Molag's property.
All copies of the book “The Amulet of Kings” states that Shor created the pact with Alyssia. This was changed to Akatosh between the games Morrowind and Oblivion
The Amulet of Kings book does not appear in Morrowind. If it appears using a different title could you please @ me because I'd love to check it out for myself.
It very well could be that Lorkhan's blood is the only thing that could be used to link men and gods, with Lorkhan being men's creator.
Acording to ancient Nord belifs kyn aka kynereth actually breathed men into exsistence.
@@jay15951 Kyn being the wife of Shor. Shor is also credited for creating men.
And Shor is Lorkhan
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And Baba is you
(Long comment warning)
Just gonna add that there is somewhat overwhelming evidence of mankar camoran being Dovahkiin, as a start the ability to wear the amulet is obvious but not enough, however if you add in his commentary on the mysterium xarxes and his story on losing the ability to speak only to suddenly know a new language and in his words "within three days I could speak fire" provides a strikingly accurate description on the learning capabilities of a dragon born, the circumstances are odd but the fact that within 3 days he had figured out how to "shout" is a feat that is unique to dragon born. So in summary Camoran was witnessed wearing the Amulet of Kings AND described an event that could only be possible for a dragon born in relation to himself
He used the razor to make himself dragonborn.
Something very important to note about Akatosh and his Divine buddies is that they are outright stated to be fond of mortals in their own right. Per the legends of Alessia, Akatosh was convinced to help out the Nedes because she "spoke as a mortal, whose kindle is beloved by the Gods for its strength-in-weakness, a humility that can burn with metaphor and yet break [easily and] always, always doomed to end in death (and this is why those who let their souls burn anyway are beloved of the Dragon and His Kin)..." In essence, the ol' Dragon God admires how mortality always ends in death, but they keep on fighting and living regardless. The bit of those who "let their souls burn anyway" is especially important as of ESO, where (trying to remain spoiler-free here!) Akatosh only helps out due to a mortal sacrifice. Therefore, while it's totally fair to assume Akatosh may have been 'hi-jacking' Lorkhan's contributions, I do believe that he and his Divine buddies are actually benevolent to mortals. Especially since faith does have outright power in ES, and so the proto-Imperials' faith in the Dragon God may have not only allowed it to keep living (per the legends, they "had not known kindness since the beginning of elven rule", at least in the future Cyrodiil), but made it so that he actually does care about mortals, simply because they believe he does.
Source: en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal (specifically Volume 2)
@@AutobotTitan Keep in mid the song of pelinal is an extremely biased account though.
@@Altrantis Fair point! Still, worthy of note IMO. Especially since almost everything in ES is somewhat biased
Oh great, if belief creates and powers entities, hopefully the people don't spawn in a chaos god.
@@ryanthompson2723 Sithis and Mehrunes Dagon are pretty much that. Oh also Sheogorath and most of the daedric prince's.
Also remember Alduin is akatosh's first born. In this sense Akatosh created Alduin basically so he can end the world when its destined. The term destined could mean anything but I think it's when akatosh has no more use for mortals and seeks to use Alduin to destroy so he can rebuild a world he wants without the influence of either lorkhan or daedra
Except that Alduin existed before Akatosh
@@thebk247 let's not get into that when dealing with the god of time
akatosh and alduin are same level being, the father of both is aka
Saw an awe-inspiring theory that breaking the Amulet of Kings could've released the soul of Alyssia who had went insane and bloodthirsty while trapped within. If you thought the return of the Wolf Queen was horrifying...
@NurturingTalents Vigilant mod is just fan made based on speculations but a good one ofc
Don't forget the possibility that Alessia could have been the liar in this scenario. She very well could have just looted Chim-el Adabal from one of the Ayleid leaders and made up a story about Akatosh giving it to her in order to set herself up as Empress with as little resistance as possible. As far as I know, the only records that talk about this whole ordeal were either obscure legends or were written by Alessia's weird minotaur lover. Neither source seems especially trustworthy to me.
But why would the Amulet of Kings create a barrier between Nirn and Oblivion then? Considering the Ayleids used the Daedric Princes to amass large Daedric Armies to do their bidding?
Wait does that mean my loyalty to the dragonblood emperor's and by extension the empire.....is a Lie?!?!?!?!
Morihaus was a literal demigod, seems pretty trustworthy to me
@@dutchpatriot17 The amulet was probably a failsafe in case they lost control of them.
@@dutchpatriot17 Well if the Amulet was created by Lorkhan or with part of his power it would make sense that it would create a barrier between Nirn and Oblivion. Lorkhan is known as the god of limitations in some Elder Scrolls lore, the Elves see that and him as a trickster that created Nirn to basically create a world of limitations and box the Et Ada in, so the amulet would be kind of doing what he wanted. Boxing Nirn in from Oblivion and the outside realms
I have a theory:
Lorkhan: relaxing in his tower.
Akatosh enters: Lorkhan! The deadra are coming!
Lorkhan to akatosh: what?! Hold my amulet and my beer.
Lorkhan exits
Akatosh drinks beer, looks around Gollum style: oh I am so taking this sh**.
End of theroy.
Their were no aedra or daedra when lorkahn was alive (or at least had a physical form)
@@thebrainless1 they existed, they just weren't classified that way until his plea/treachery, and at that point Akatosh/Auriel/Alduin had not split (because time was not moving yet) was still the single being Aka.
I like the idea that Aka was working with Lorkhan to trick the other et adda and then took him out with his bow and pinned the entire deception on him which is why the heart corrupts those who come into contact with it, the last piece of him is angry at what happened. I also think that he (Akatosh) is trying to become a single entity again and Absorbed Alduin after his defeat at the hands of the dragonborn.
Jayden Harrold um what? Do you have any proof to back this up? It’s actually written that it was akatosh that led the rebellion against lorkhan and asked Anu for the power to defeat lorkhan. This is where the bow came from.
By the nine devines its perfecy
Why don’t the Nords worship Shor in the mortal plain before they die and go to sovenguard. In Skyrim the nords are willing to fight each other over Talos but not Shor there are no statues to him in the mortal plain.
Especially if you begin doubting that Tiber Septim was in fact "the Talos Stormcrown", as I say it was the Underking who was the true power and helped Tiber Deptim then known as Hjalti Early Beard defeat his enemies. I find the later accounts of Tiber very unsettling. So, I agree 100%, Shor of whom was theorized the real Talos mantled was the real Atmoran savior.
Shor essentially is Talos. Lorkhan is another name for Shor.
I agree. The Nords should return to venerating Shor, and the Imperials to venerating Shezarr. Both being man's aspects of Lorkhan.
Plane*
Talos is mantling lorkhan and lorkhan is shor, basically Talos=Shor
It's quite possible the story of the amulet being akatosh's blood could likely be a later addition meant to distance Lorkhan from it's story.
Exactly
Imagine getting tricked into loosing most of your power
"This meme was made by the Magna-Ge Gang"
Imagine being one of the weakest Daedra
Austin Johnson the thrassian plague says otherwise
@@peryite9979 That plague was created by the Sload.
General Falco I helped them make it in exchange for sload cheeks to clap
One thing you forgot to mention is the Nord/human name for Lorkhan is Shor and Shor is considered by the Nords as the god of Humanity. So if it was Shor’s blood that lead to the creation of the amulet of kings then when Akatosh took pity on Humanity and helped them overthrow the Ayleids it would make sense that he would gift them with an artifact of the god of Humanity.
Also this wouldn’t be the first time Akatosh took pity on Humanity.
During the Merethic Era The dragons ruled over the humans as living gods alongside their dragon Priests. For a time they ruled peacefully however this worship went straight to Alduin’s head and he ended up forsaking his purpose as “world eater” and sought to rule all of Tamriel and he and his dragon Priest’s rule became tyrannical. When this happened the humans began to rebel. Though at first it seemed the humans would lose, what Alduin didn’t account for was that when he forsook his purpose he angered Akatosh. So Akatosh loosened Paarthurnax’s heart and had Kyne (shor’s wife) tell Paarthurnax to teach humanity how to use Thu’um. With Akatosh’s blessing Humanity was able to use their Thu’um to defeat Alduin and the other dragons.
It would seem that almost every time Akatosh helps Humanity Shor is involved in one way or another.
Maybe he feels remorse for killing lorkhan
@@diablo.the.cheater maybe or maybe to some extent he respected shor, it would be an interesting twist if the guy who shot his heart, also really admired his courage and creativity to some extent
If akatosh was evil it would line up perfectly with cronos from Greek myth
EVIL TIME GODS YAY
There are to Cronos in Greek myth Kronus the titan (evil) and Chronos the time god (not evil)
I don't know - I think Cronos was pretty benevolent. The time he ruled the universe was referred to as 'the Golden Age', and it was an age of peace and prosperity. Yes, he ate his children, but seeing how petty and selfish they grew up to be, maybe he was acting with the universe's best interests at heart.
@@TranscendentLion #CronosDidNothingWrong
@@CharlesPrime91 That actually goes even better with Akatosh if you consider that Alduin could be a version of Akatosh, a personification of his evilness if you will.
@@CharlesPrime91 there are four spellings of Kronos; Kronos, Kronus, Cronos, and Cronus. Kronos is actual ancient Greek, K became C in Latin, as well as -os becoming -us.
Am I the only one who cried after Martin septim gave that speech in the middle of the video damn it I'm a full-grown 27 year old man why did I hit me so hard
He would have been the best emperor ever! The speech is always hitting me hard no matter how many times I see it. 😭
He was too good for Tamriel...
Jauffre would be the one to know. he lives quietly as a monk at Weynon Priory, near the city of Chorrol
@Sky Dome Baurus groove :)) ua-cam.com/video/wHL7zyLsQ2k/v-deo.html
I see you’re a man/woman of culture as well.
Are we not going to consider my favorite time-traveling genocidal cyborg, Pelinal Whitestrake whose chest actually contained the amulet of kings?
Glory to REMAN!
@@roadhouse6999 *in the distance* whose reman?
@@arawn1061 it's from star treck
As for Mankar Cameron. I think it's simply the case that he can where the amulet as a result of Gaia Alata being his world. Thus he can shape everything to fit his whim. Including Aedric/Daedric artifacts.
Similar to the Train Driver in the Matrix movies.
That would make sense
But you can see him wear it at the mythic dawn shrine to dagon in cyrodill
Gandolphi But why would he speak fire after three days? The last dragonborn a confirmed authentic one, can speak the thuum at its full effect or close to it after seconds of reading or hearing a thuum.
@@DevilDaRebel Actually Skyrim's Dragonborn can only learn the shouts that fast with the knowledge he sucked out of Dragon souls, by only reading the word he sort of just knows how to pronounce/write it, without any use. However I think being Dragonborn in itself already helps speaking the Dragon Tongue, absorbing dragon souls just shortens the learning process.
@@lordhelmchen3154 But then how did the last Dragonborn learn Dragonrend? He didn't even read the shout, he "heard" it. This implies Dragonborns can even learn a shout by hearing it. You would need a dragon soul to have an idea of how to focus the power though I think.
the production values in this video are excellent. the audio quotes are really good ( the levels were perfect) and the footage was all relevant to topics being discussed. i even liked the on-screen text and wipes you used between scenes. this channel has always been good but now it looks and sounds downright professional.
i like how martin basically said that we are now described in the elder scrolls. i think it was a slight hint at The Dovahkiin
@Camel King Clarith Bethesda likes to tease players on possible future games that way. In subtle ways too, such as specific NPCs you find in each game which hint at some event or problem going on in a foreign land.
Actually, I already have a plausible explanation for how Mankar could wear the amulet. In the elder scrolls universe, the term "dragonborn" is actually rather misleading because unlike dungeons and dragons the term doesn't refer to someone that is literally half-dragon, but rather it refers to anyone who has both the body of a mortal and the soul of a dragon. This includes mortals who are not born with the soul of a dragon, but instead become artificial dragonborns through a type of soul modification called "Draco-chrystalisis" where a mortal's soul is transformed into a dragon's soul through extremely complicated magical rituals that heavily rely on the complex metaphysical properties that souls have in the setting. Mehrunes' razor was an artifact that has been in the lore for a long time, however oblivion didn't allow the player to find it until a canon DLC added in a quest and dungeon for it. Mehrunes Dagon also did not have a shrine quest in oblivion for obvious reasons. Now of course, if you're wondering why a daedric prince would have the knowledge of inducing draco-chrysalisis, you need look no further than Hermaeus Mora giving Miiraak words of DovahZuul the dragon language that the dragons themselves didn't know about. Not even Alduin knew how to use the bend will shout, . When you take into consideration that the bend dragonrend shout was created by mortals and the dragon aspect shout was invented by Miiraak himself, this effectively means anyone with sufficient knowledge can just use dragon magic even in ways the dragons themselves are not able to. So there is indeed a specific mechanism that Mehrunes could teach to Mankar in order to give Mankar everything he would need in order to transform into an artificial dragonborn, and he doesn't use shouts during the battle against the hero of kvatch specifically because there are no word walls in cyrodiil with which to learn DovahZuul. That being the same reason why Martin never learned any shouts either.
Both Uriel Septim and Martin Septim were not true Dragonborns either. Neither of them had the soul of a dragon or else they’d have been summon to high hrothgar
@@thebk247 True. They're the offsprings of a pure dragonborns and not exactly dragonborn, They have the blood but a mortal soul while Talos, Wulfhart, Miraak, and The Last Dragonborn are purebloods with souls of a dragon.
@@thebk247 actually it is suggested that Dragonborn are not always summoned to High Hrothgar. The Grey beards even state that the pc may very well not be the only Dragonborn of the age, the pc is just the only one revealed to them (and thus the only one summoned). Martin may very well not have been known to them and with their seclusion they may have not even always been aware of the current Dragonborn emperor.
The Aedra are good, it's just that the "Lore" doesn't make much sense about them. Let's take the dragonborn for example. Dragonborn means he has the soul of a dragon, so he's a "son of Akatosh". However he is suspected to be a shezzarin =Shezzar=Shor= Lorkan. Same goes for Talos, same goes for the numidium, constructed from the "heart of Lorkan", what happens when we use it ? a DRAGON break= break in time= Akatosh. Nirn was created by the "betrayal" of Lorkan, yet the destroyer of the world is Alduin "the first born of Akatosh", an aspect of Akatosh according to certain pantheons.
This is good.
I feel like Mankar wasn't a Dragonborn nor did he wear it through Ayleid heritage, but Daedric magic.
Luke Price that’s what i think it is or it’s some sort of trick in his realm of oblivion
Plot twist he's a septim
Boka Boka
He wears it in the cave scene. Clearly visible while in Tamriel.. not just in his own realm.. so,
Through I believe some marriages and alliances, he is most certainly of the Septim bloodline, if maybe distantly.
Though he was a Wood Elf back in those days, so the confusion is understandable.
@@AngelCakes1997 I highly doubt that Mankar has actual legitimate Septim blood. I feel like he may have altered himself with Mehrunes' Razor and Mysterium Xarxes to make himself have dragonblood. Definitely wasn't a full Dragonborn himself, and especially not naturally.
Lorkhan is the one guy who if you ask one person,is a really great guy and if you ask somebody else then he's a jerk.
The funny thing is, the story doesn't even change that much, just how you view his actions. One says he's great because he caused the creation of Nirn, the other hates him because he tricked the aedra to manage that
Most people think he's a jackass, even some humans like redguards.
Well he did intentionally kill hundreds or thousands of Et’Ada to make Nirn, but then again he did allow all things to exist as they are.
So he’s kind of a well intentioned Mass Murderer.
Or maybe a kind of Divine Reverse Good Samaritan.
The thing that iritated me the most that beeing Sheogorath I couldn't help Martin in this fight. Just imagine, Prince of Destruction vs Insane Jester
Lawful Evil vs Chaotic Neutral
I like your channel you aren't afraid of beeing critical about anything or anyone in Elder Scrolls and it broaden my prospective of the lore
I'm of the opinion that Lorkhan's blood is what powers the Amulet of Kings. However, after Lorkhan's heart was ripped out and shot across Tamriel, his ability to directly interact with mortals was greatly curtailed. Akatosh, having invested so much of himself into the mortal world, appropriated the power of the artifact and used it to further his own goals. Despite being seemingly upset at Lorkhan, he has nonetheless tried to act in the best interests of Man and Mer.
Every bard in the Inns of interregnum(ESO) songs about this as if it's a 'fact'.
I wonder if there are more places where such "drops" of Lorkhan's blood fell across the tamriel. Let's draw a line and find out :)
In ESO the gem is supposed to be a soul gem made from the blood of each of the deadra in a deal with the aedra that the aedra would not directly stop an invasion from Oblivion but the people of nirn would not be defenceless
How amazing would a TV series of elder scrolls be with all its deep lore
There would be too much stuff they'd probably ruin the feeling of elder scrolls (if it does happen and they pull it off I'll take it all back)
If made in the 70's or 80's it'd be great. Today it'd be terrible.
It would be too confusing for anyone who doesn't know the deep lore
They'd rape the Lore, just like they've raped the GRRM's lore. :(
@@Brahmdagh That's especially terrifying concidering that TES games have much deeper and much more complex lore,
Great video
What ENB/texture combination did you use to get that amazingly beautiful shot of Solitude in the first seconds of the video?
Akatosh and Auri-el aren't exactly the same being in my opinion. The constant worship of a being named Akatosh, thought to be a God who allowed his power to be drained to create the world along with Kyne etc might mean Akatosh is actually a different being. There's also a theory that Auri-el, Akatosh and Alduin are all shards of the same God of Time named Aka. Auri-el being the beginning of time, Alduin the end and Akatosh in the middle. So implying Akatosh and Lorkhan are at odds isn't true at all
Akatosh also has two heads- see chapel windows in oblivion. One is a bearded man, one is a dragon head
Your conclusion is quite the non sequitur. Auriel and Akatosh not being the same person, or being different shards of a whole, has nothing to do with whether or not there is beef between Akatosh and Lorkhan.
The games don't really try to make the aedra/daedra distinction as black and white as that. Meridia for example is pretty benevolent, and Azura's main domain is relatively harmless.
Sheogorath and Jyggalag don't have the ability to be good or evil, either.
Meridia is a weird case, being like the magna-ge and following Magnus in fleeing after taking part in creating Nirn. She however fled into Oblivion rather than Aetherius, but did play a part in creating Nirn unlike the daedra.
@@adrianmcbride1666 she didn't flee to oblivion she also fled to Aetherious but was banished because of having contacts with the daedra. Then she came to tamriel and created an island called lyg, then after she lost her island she was pissed off and had no place to go so she went to oblivion and created her own realm.
@@slimretro2659 OK, didn't know the full history. Still my main point was that she fled with the magna-ge
we're hitting dark souls level of theories here.
Looks like you haven't seen too much tes lore theories
Hahah you clearly don't know much about TES learning the lore is like jumping down the rabbit hole
Lorcan is the god of man slain by akatosh who's in placed himself at the four front of men's worship making himself the head of both Elven and human Pantheon's most likely not out of kindness but as a way to spite lorcan even in his death the Dragonborn Talos stormcrown becomes risen into divinity and propped up as the new God of man
I like this theory and I think the idea of the Amulet creating a barrier between Nirn and Oblivion/outside realms to fit with Lorkhan who was known as the god of limitations. He's seen by the Elves as a trickster that made Nirn as a world of limitations and to box the Et Ada in, so it's power to basically box Nirn in from Oblivion kind of goes with him. The only problem I see tho is that when Martin breaks the Amulet of Kings to fight Dagon the Avatar of Akatosh comes out of it and consumes him, which would make it seem more related to Akatosh but I like that this theory goes with what you said about Elder Scrolls lore never being as black and White as you think it is
Akatosh took over as Chief benefactor of humanity either window human stood up against the dragons or when they stood up against the ayleid Empire
I would say the Aedra are not good in the way the Daedra are not evil. They are spirits and specifically represent certain traits. They are the living personification of those traits. Can you say something is evil if it must act in that way regardless of choice? No, nor can you say one is good for the same reasons. Mortals can be good or evil, the spirits just are. But there is no denying influence of these spirits can inspire acts of good or evil. So there is nothing wrong with embracing the spirits that generally bring positive change and shun the ones who bring negativity. But I think we should not be thinking of them as good or evil but as more likes forces of nature. They have more self-awareness than the wind but occupy a similar position in how things work.
Lorkhan and Akatosh are both fragments of the original space/time god Akatusk, if the ayleid myth is even vaguely right the amulet was made during Akatusks destruction where it tore its own heart out to try killing the Lorkhan aspect. So the gem is of both and neither of them. Akatosh came into being after Alesias rebellion when the elven god Auri-el, that they had renamed Akatosh, was further shattered into two different time gods by humanity using an elder scroll to try removing the more elven leaning part of the god to suit their needs.
Are you thinking of something else?
The OG god is a big sleepy boi, the two things that make the Stuff of Reality are called Anu and Padomay.
Anu gave birth to Anu-Iel and Padomay gave birth to Sithis.
Anu-Iel and Sithis then gave birth to Akatosh/Auriel/Alduin and Lorkhan.
They’re wholly separate entities, their very existence’s are opposite and their goals are clearly defined. Lorkhan wants to make the world no matter the cost, Akatosh wants things to stay as they are, whatever that may be in his opinion at the time.
@@AngelCakes1997 Sithis might have came before Anu and Podomay, the Nothing before primordial Order and Chaos. The Imperial religion plays them up as almost elder gods that created the aedra/daedra when they're really just the forces they formed from.
At one point there was just one space/time god, the first Aka spirit, I think it gets called the aka oversoul in some sources. Being all of past, present, future and possibility made it unstable and chaotic, one body and far too many minds in conflict. One of its many aspects, Lorkhan, either tricked or convinced the other spirits to help its plan to make a permanent creation. Sithis wanted them all gone and draining their life away to make a world that would eventually die with them seemed a good idea at the time, so he either helped form Lorkhan or influenced him to do it. The spirits got angry at this, and Akatusk tore out Lorkhans heart without realising Lorkhan was part of himself, shattering into many other entities in the process; Auriel, Alduin and the other dragons, Shor, Lorkhan, the various spirits that would later form Talos, and smaller entities like the Shezarine and Dragonborn.
The more modern Akatosh was created by the Marukh selective during the Middle Dawn, they used a Dragonbreak and an Elder Scroll to selectively edit their time god and it went less than well.
Ethan Stansmore Lorkatosh is a schizophrenic god
Sean Bean isn't even safe in a video game he dies in everything!
Counter theory:
The jewel is the crystal form of the biggest weed lorkhan smoked.
7:22 ayleids enslaves humans: atrocious
humans to homeland of snow elves for no reason and enslaved them all: what's wrong with it?
You can't wear the amulet it wouldn't let you
What movement mod do you use? I like how they draw and hold their swords.
Martin septim was in the cult too do maybe he had some of his blood
After worshipping Sanguine for a while. 🌹 😂
Given how Akatosh is the soul of the soul of Anu, and how existence is a dreamed by Anu after Nir's death, I personally like to think that their stories are mirrored. Similar to how people who go throw intense experiences dream about them, especially negative ones, in a subconcious effort to understand them and fix them.
Anu and Padomay fought over Nir, she only loved Anu, and died due to Padomay's beating. Then, Anu went to sleep. Akatosh was betrayed by Lorkhan and forced to lose much of his power, but ultimately destroyed Lorkhan. I see some parallels here in a confrontation between individuals which ends up in one of them losing something of importance and having to cope with it somehow. Ultimately, Akatosh does really care for the world and wants to protect it, otherwise, Nirn wouldn't have it's name.
And while akatosh took pity on the humans in cyrodil his children the dragons oppressed and enslaved the humans of skyrim.
The thing is he has no reason to help the humans, they're the children of Lorkhan. I think he may have sacificed the unfaithful Ayleid elves, his wayward children, to secure his own cult of Akatosh would become the main religion for humans too. Humans worshiping the head elven god as their chief god. And not worshiping Lorkhan/shor/shezzar. By the time of Skyrim, even nords worship Akatosh.
The Divines are shaped by the belief of their worshipers. If the Human worshipers of Akatosh belief him to be a benevolent god putting humans first, he becomes exactly that. If Elves, at the same time, worship him (as Auri'el) as a benevolent god who puts them first, he is that too. Think of it as him having multiple personalities.
Altrantis all dragonborns aside from Mirrak are Shezzars though.. lorkhan gave man the power of dragonborn, kyne gave nords the thuum
When Nirn was made Akatosh was bound on his planet body and nirn. But if he was able to hold sway over the whole of creation he'd be able to control most of that power invested by all the other gods making him more powerful than any Daedra. That's his endgoal and that's also why he persecutes Daedric worship so much.
P.S. Mankar Cameron is most likely dragonborn, that's why he can wear the annulet, or that's an possible explanation, since being dragonborn doesn't mean having lineage from Alessia or Tiber Septim as seen by the first dragonborn Miraak.
Tbh, Akatosh *did* make Alduin specifically to eat the world.... *SOOOOO*...
Alduin existed before akatosh though
thebk247@hotmail.com no akatosh created alduin, alduin is the first born of akatosh, in other words alduin is the first dragon made
@@bryanescobar6362 no he technically didn’t. Akatosh was created during the Alessian Empire. Prio to that era, only Auri-El, Alkosh and Alduin existed.
Akatosh always existed only because of the 1,000 year Dragonbreak.
There's also a possibility that Akatosh didn't lie. Maybe the truth was forgotten or changed.
I just assumed it was just because the akatosh was just invested in the mortal world he was tricked into help make didn't suck ass.
Unrelated, but what tree mod are you using? It looks very nice.
I was hoping you'd touch on three fact that Akatosh did not exist until the middle dawn, when the Alessian Order separated the Elvish aspects from him into Auri-el. Third sundering of time is likely the cause of three inconsistencies in the stories involving Aka.
theres also a theory that akatosh and lorkhan are one in the same and that akatosh is batshit crazy but thats complicated
As for amulet, why no one figured out, that you probably can attach extra lock, that won't be some kind of "magic"? I mean if amulet by its own can be worned by specific person, adding extra pin allows everyone wear it. Maybe Kamoran was the only person, whose IQ was slightly more than 80 and *click* now he's wearing the sacred amulet.
I was just having the realization, but Lorkhan also sacrificed himself in creating Nirn along with the others, right?
He did indeed. It's even theorized that Nirn is Lorkan's corpse just as the other Aedra are the planets orbiting Nirn.
It's a shame the last dragonborn isn't able to create a new amulet with his/her own dragon blood
Magnus: "Fuck this, I'm out bitches!"
*Proceeds to obliterate the fabrics of reality*
Akatosh has an elven form named auriel. Maybe Auriel created it for the aliyds and only gave it to men after the alyids turned to deadra worship.
My ayleid mod is on hold for a few days...probably early August will be the last great update of this year afterwards only patches...until the grand autumn uodate then the christmass update madnes comes...
Ok?
Submit for your approval; that Akatosh is dead and Lorkhan alive, having name-swapped through either deception or delusion, and the Heart of Lorkhan was from the chest of Akatosh, and the Chim-el-adabal also, while Tiber Septim became a god using the part of the deceased dragon god, and his descendant is channeling Talos to become a dragon to fight Dagon. Or, perhaps, Lorkhan and Akatosh were once the same being, one manlike and one dragonlike, as Akatosh is depicted as two-headed sometimes.There's a lot of silly and chaotic stuff where Elder Scrolls gods are concerned.
Mankar has a point there with the gods not really interacting with mortals as the daedra have been
To be fair, it was already noted in Oblivion that the Pelinal Whitestrake had a red gem as a heart.
What has always been presumed to being the gem from the Amulet of Kings.
Pelinal Whitestrake had no bond to Akatosh that we know off.
The real mystery here is how Akatosh and the other divines are tied in with Pelinal.
and why his heart was capable only of being carried by those who possess the dragon's blood in their own veins, along with being capable of forming a barrier between Oblivion and Mundus via the 8 divine's "planets".
Only thing I could guess at is that the heart of Pelinal was actually once the blood that recided inside the Heart of Lorkhan.
As such, Pelinal Whitestrake was a reincarnation of Lorkhan. (There was a special name for this form of event, like manteling, but not the same)
An incomplete one of course as he only originated from just his heart blood.
still it would only explain his great hatred for the Elves, not why his heart would later on be able to form the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion, as I doupt the 8 would want anything to do with Lorkhan.
"O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him!"
It doesn't matter whose blood it's made from the ability to wear The Amulet of Kings has a Divine enchantment similar to one that Oden places on mjolnir the amulets could be used for many different things and it has in history it is a powerful trinket blessed by akatosh to have a greater purpose and to just be a simple tool making it as a symbol and proof of divine right
Interesting analysis. It also explains the motivation of why the God of Revolution and Change (the chief reasons of his existence) wants to break Akatosh's hold on humanity. It's a way better explanation then that the deity of Change, Revolution, Ambition, Destruction and Energy wants to "enslave people".
I think most of these things are resolved when you see Akatosh And Shezzar as joined eternally by a struggle, and that they are two sides of the same coin. Perhaps all Aedra and Daedra, are at some level manifestations of the parent forces that they are direct divine avatars of. Maybe neither of them personalize this struggle at all, and ideas like this are projections of humans, tapping into these god's powers as they exist un-personified amidst the earth-bones. That certainly makes Pelinal Whitestrake's story (if he has the amulet of kings in his chest) make more sense. Why he can talk to Akatosh makes Sense if he's Lorkhan.
Maybe my theory about dragonborn is the dragonborn is akatosh and in final mission maybe akatosh is go out of dragonborn and absorb the soul of the world eater (alduin) and then the dragonborn realize that he are wake up at nowhere.
The aedra and daedra aren't so simple as good and bad. They are perceived as such by mortals based on their Providence. Molag Bal's is domination. He exists to subjugate others. Mehrunes Dagon's is destruction, and who in their right mind would want to be destroyed. Peyrite is pestilence, people don't like sickness. Notice how all "bad daedra" either directly or indirectly harm mortals.
Here's a fun theory: What if the heart of lorkhan was what kept the jaws of oblivion shut and the amulet was made of his blood-essence. A heart doesn't function without blood. The ritual had to be performed to start the "beating" otherwise the existance of the amulet would prevent the protection from activating. When the amulet was destroyed, the essence returned to the heart granting permanent protection again. Why would a good that's supposed to be good do something potentially devastating to the mortal races. Perhaps to see if a mortal would give his/her life to save their bretheren. Who knows.
Was the heart not already destroyed by then?
I thought lorkans blood was material ebony
Well the blood of the gods
But how many god's were wounded?
I have a theory.
What if akotosh saw the dragonborn stopping alduin from reseating time basicly so he made everything go down hill like how the empire lost ro thalmor and the civil war happening.
Just imagine what the next game could be like
What about pelinal whitestrake having the amulet in his chest?
Was the interregnum during the planemeld
Methrons razor can change the user. That's how he wore the amulet.
I only follow Dibella. She knows her way to a mans heart
It just kinda hit me how messed up the Empire is by the end of Oblivion. Like it’s a very simple good vs evil deal, but then there’s an entire empire left with no leadership. The last true emperor died and his sons all died with him. For almost 200 year the most power and influential political body in Tamriel’s history was left to try and fill that hole and we know from the Dark Brotherhood questline that they failed to do so, so badly in fact that the current emperor is willing to fall on the blade to help bolster his empire for an oncoming war, in the middle of several smaller civil wars and a massive natural disasters that displaced a huge chunk of the dunmer population.
I always figured Alessia as a brunette, to be honest.
Sheogorath and akatosh are best friends now. Martin septim is akatosh, and the hero of kvatch is sheogorath, meaning they are both best friends. The hero of kvatch is like talos if talos were a daedra.
Martin did not mantle Akatosh. The Last Dragonborn is Talos. The Hero of Kvatch mantled Sherogorath, who was born from Lorkhans blood
The Amulet of Kings was made by the ayleids of course it was it fell in they're well like Odin too mjolnir akatosh put an enchantment on the amulet so that the only Dragonborn can wear it or exceptionally powerful Mages such as the ayleid mancar Cameron
Yeah I never thought the aedra were wholey good.
I mean...there’s no difference between them and the daedra besides one major action.
And we see how terrible the daedra CAN be.
Depends, some myths claim that the daedra are formed from the blood of Padomay (Sithis basically) while the Aedra are formed from the blood of the both brothers (Padomay and Anuiel I believe). The daedra formed solely from the blood of Sithis are wholly evil according to this myth: the Aedra however are capable of good and evil because they have the blood of both.
Meridia however muddied the waters with what is a daedra because of her unique history.
Wait a minute... what of ESO? In the final conflict, the Vestige wears the amulet of kings, powered up via a sacrifice to Akatosh.
The whole plot revolves around someone fucking up and putting on the amulet of kings in a botched ritual to become dragonborn which tears open a rift to oblivion.
If Varen Aquilarios couldn't wear the amulet, how can the Vestige, if they aren't dragonborn?
Akatosh could have while in Jewel form dip the End of the amulet of Kings into his own blood which would have also made it more powerful
Akatosh was born of Anu, and Lorkhan of Padomay. Of course Akatosh would do whatever he could to usurp Lorkhans influence.
Also, Akatosh had the opportunity to rid itself of daedra worshipping elves (Ayleids), and appease Pelinal's bloodlust, and, also co-opt what Pelinal did as he's regarded as a champion of a pantheon not including Lorkhan. Ayleids got thrown under the bus.
Wasn't part of the deal for Akatosh's help that Lorkhan not be in the Allessian pantheon?
Can the gods in TES lore change? Like I was thinking maybe Akatosh acted selfishly at the start, but overtime he grow to like the hoomans and now acts selflessly?
Akatosh is the chieftain of the Gods the others may have had a hand in lorcan death but akatosh did the most damage and you spell or enchantment he puts on the amulet will be power remember the god to use magic too
If the Amulet came from Lorkhan''s blood, then both Morrowind and Oblivion revolve around a part of him.
Funny enough, the Neravarine was reincarnated to free Lorkhans heart rather than destroy it
Borimir!!!
While it could be that the Amulet is Lorkhan's blood, I don't see how it's possible that it was created in an Ayleid well.
That would mean Ayleids already had an Empire before or during the Dawn Era, and that they came to Tamriel even before the Aldmer which is impossible.
Time was barelly lineal during the dawn age and it was wonky during the merethic era. So it's possible.
@@AltrantisIsn't there a possibility that the Amulet of Kings and its surrounding concepts were created by Tiber Septim to cement his rule retroactively after he reached Chim? I mean, he changed the climate of Cyrodiil from being rather tropical to be more temperate - He had the power to change reality through the state of Chim and Zero-summing.
While I agree that the Aedra are more complex than the dogmatic views of Tamrielic religions. I'd say it would be best to consider man's role in regards to Akatosh morphing out of Auri-El. It is quite important as they are effectively distinct in some regards due to that insane ritual by the Alessian cult. Also, Martin being able to mantle Akatosh and not Shor/Lorkhan discredits the notion Akatosh was not infused with the Amulet of Kings. Albeit as you stated it truly would have been moreso to Auri-El than Akatosh as it was created prior to the dragon break. Much of it is probably nonsensical as the time frames do not align. Was it from prior times in the days of the Ayleids or at Al-Esh Paravant's deathbed? Either way according to "historical" texts Auri-El would not be 'separated' from Akatosh at that time. So, the lore has way too many inconsistencies.
Considering a dragon break is literally time shattering, does it really make sense to expect all it's fallout to be chronological? Parts of it could very well happen before or after because, well, time broke.
from what I understand... In Skyrim the Canon reason domination is in a dragon's nature... Is because akatosh has let everything go to his head...
i like the possibility that the divines aren't as perfect as the characters make them seem and that they could be about as moral and "good" as the daedra are because most daedra are considered evil but there are others like meridia and azura who can be considered good
One thing people forget when it comes to the strength of Aedra and daedra. Is that daedra are indeed stronger, however Aedra and Daedra nearly have unlimited power in their planes of existence. Mandus was made by the Aedra and so they control it having more power on it over the otherwise more powerful daedra.
I doubt all off that becous of one reason. Coronation? Dragon shouts, dragon blood, dragon born. Too much complicated simply for divine trick to hold power over all other lesser creatures in nirn. I think.
Could this be Akatosh’s attempt to mantle Lorkhan?
Akatosh is technically both Auri-El and Lorkhan
I love Skyrim but if ur gonna roleplayba dragonborn then by lore reasons you can only be nord, imperial, or breaton really. I know it says anyrace in lore but all have beem humna because akatosh is in the human pantheon. Also your blessed by akatosh an aedra at birth. So it kinda wants you to go down a hero path. Which is cool.but sometimes I just wanna pick some pockets lol but breaking roleplay kills my mood.
I'm more inclined to believe the Chim El-Adabal is Akatosh's blood. If it is indeed the blood of Lorkhan, how could it have fallen into an Ayleid well when Lorkhan was torn asunder before the Ayleids ever came to be? And we have a decent amount of in-game evidence that points to ebony being the blood of Lorkhan, so would that suggest the Chim El-Adabal was ebony? If so, why doesn't it look like ebony?
The book amulet of kings was changed from lorkhan to akatosh between the games of morrowind and oblivion.
Kyne sent Alessia Whitestrake, a dragonborn who is a shezzarine
Shezzars are shards of lorkhan
The book describes the witnesses as seeing a dragon bent over alessia’s bedside. Whitestrake was the one at her side, whitestrake was the one who gave her the amulet.
There is more evidence proving that it was lorkhan.