24h Le Mans 2024 - Summary - What did we learn?
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Let's take a closer look at what we learned from the 24h of Le Mans 2024!
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It's utterly hilarious that Alpine chose a Mecachrome F2 engine for endurance racing.
What the hell were they thinking😂? they would have had better luck using a road car Renault or nissan engine and boosting it slightly, then the bop compensates for the rest if they really wanted to be cheap.
What an unserious company, in road cars, f1 and wec.
Wait you basically saying the put an f2 engine to race for a whole 24 hours that explains why they didn't make it past lap 90
Honestly it was doing good until this race also, they almost had me thinking that my concerns weren't valid. 😂👏
Well, Le Mans is the only 24h race. For the rest of the WEC season, the engines are probably durable enough. It's not the first time a manufacturer performs this stunt. Build a car that's hopeless for LeMans, but has good performances for the other tracks.
@@chiefdenis Well it hasn't had issues in the other races so far, not even at Qatar which was 10 hours. Of course entering WEC and then not having a car that can do the 24H of Le Mans is not a great thing. But otherwise the Alpine WEC entry has been really solid apart from this race. And with other tracks not having Le Mans characteristics it should be fine for the remaining 4 rounds.
I feel like the whole Alpine brand is just cost saving and not willing to put any money in anything, F1 or WEC.
Right, i always try to root for them, but the management is so clueless it's painful
At this point just root for Isotta
Could be just a money-laundering scheme, they can't be that bad at anything. Go Isotta go.
At least they enter
I'll bet corporate management's attitude towards the team is "win some races and you'll get better funding"
Alpain got Mecachromed
This sentence goes mad hard out of context.
Cyberpunk vibes lol
Funny how you didn't mention Peugeot even once because they were so slow 💀💀
they faster without a rear wing in le mans
@@kenethpescador206 As often you guys are talking bs about Peugeot, the new car was 1.2sec faster than last year on dry, + they've had zero issues in terms of reliability, then the most important point imo is the fact they had the worst BoP with Ferrari, considering it's only their third race with this new car, it is actually not THAT bad...
Watch the recent BoP preview video and you'll see why.
Peugot BoP was mystifying this year. I don't think anyone expected the ACO to be prejudiced AGAINST a French manufacturer. Maybe they were trying to show their impartiality by being so harsh.
@@wiegraf9009 I wonder if ACO expected pre-Le Mans sandbagging and will have to eat a humble pie now.
Best race I ever attended. I really recommend to everyone in love with motorsport to come to Le Mans.
This proves even when the BoP advantages you so much, in the end it's still the engineers, very good strategy, and the drivers that made the car fast.
The strategy: Putting on slicks while it's raining 😂
JK it was great to watch them run
Lol Ferrari sandbagged like hell!
@@rolux4853 you can't sandbag with the current rules and data they get from the cars
@@rolux4853 Ferrari didn't win a single race this season before LM24h, yet it has arguably the worst BOP (other than what's shown here, they have the least energy for stint, and the longest refueling time). The organizers know exactly how much power the car is using in any moment. There's little room to sandbag.
@@rolux4853 Nah with some luck and no strategy blunder theh would have a 1 2 3 in Imola and a 1 2 in spa, they didn't sandbagged at all
Sad to see Peugeot so far back. I Hope they will come back stronger for next race
I think they raced the rear winged version of their car too late to give it a fair BoP
@@petouser That's my opinion too. They missed the pre-season tests and Qatar.
@@petouser yeah, if i were up to balance a car after that big update i'd also be very caucious.
@@petouser Yeah. Since the car was new, it had been BOPed heavily. The organizers didn't want someone to bring a "magic" car just to win Le Mans. Ironically, the old "wingless" car was pretty good under the rain.
STOP PRESS!!!!
They are going to join forces with Alpine to make a French Superteam! The 2025 car will be produced by Massey Ferguson.
😂😂😂😂🎉😢😅
A car that couldn't be slowed down by BoP...brilliant, simply brilliant
mic drop.....Porsche is making some changes for next year
@@camrsr5463 The whole Porsche approach was bad from the start; the limits are on the LMDh itself. You could see on the qualifiying how the car had to be driven on the knives edge to get a sub 3:34. While the other big 2 just sandbagged comfortably
@@Keckegenkaithe Toyota sandbagged but not Ferrari, It was going for a 1 2 3 in Imola and 1 2 in spa i don't call that sandbagging, didn't hid it's pace
The bop we see is only hp/weight. There is a lot more in consideration. All the top cars had similar pace, all setting similar best laps. Only one team was given lenience by the stewards, that was the decider
@@Helios_1ne You didn't listen to the video? BOP includes Aero too. Drag and Downforce is included too cause they use an actual wind tunnel to measure.
Can you please make a technical analysis of the Isotta 🙏🙏🙏
i want that so much bruh 🙏😭
SIMPLES:
It is very slow😊
@@neilcallan1039 thats like saying the Ferrari won because "good car go fast"
We're trying our best, @@neilcallan1039🙄
No. 7 Toyota start 19 places behind no. 50 Ferrari and managed to finish only 14 seconds behind. Kinda want to to see their design details too.
And they lost like 30" after the other ferrari spun them. But ferrari had to do an early stop because their door open. It went down to luck
@@mullayho1759 that was the number 8 toyota that was running 2nd, if they didn't get spun they would've been leading the race when the #50 pitted to fix their door. The number 7 toyota got extremely unlucky in those last laps when they lost like 15s+ in one single lap because of turbo issues
@@mullayho1759 you didn't watch the race and are parroting the talking points every other hater is using, not even realizing they are wrong, just blinded by bias and hate.
@@mauriziocardile499 Pois si que vin a carreira, nos as 24 horas, pero ver vina. Admito que tiven un herro e confundin un porsche co outro no comentario anterior, pero macho que ganas tes de discutir saltando a conclusions e tachandome de hater.
@@mullayho1759 Yeah that and if Lopez didn't spin in the last hour they would have won too.. (spin lost him like 15-16s, the gap at finish was 14s)
Ferrari's trick with the sticky uppy bits is very clever and I can appreciate that it paid off for them. They clearly have built the best car in this generation of Hypercar.
LMDh clearly has a ceiling for potential that is all the more visible when all the other LMH cars stop sandbagging and become really competetive. During Quali it was the most visible when Estre was driving on the knives edge sliding all over it just to get a sub 3:34
Estre's hyperpole time was 3:24.6 not "sub 3:34" but point still stands, Toyota and Ferrari were clearly more composed a that pace.
@@HoveringAboveMyself you are right.
Yes. The truth is the ACO will never allow for a fair fight between their babies and the Daytona cars. Le Mans will always be won by LMH.
@@perfectman3077did you read that on the internet?
The name says it all.😂
@@neilcallan1039 Rude
Lmao everyone knew alpine was gonna be a joke when they announced the mechachrome as their engine
Getting mecachromed even at le mans
To me it didn't seem like Cadillac had the same pace as the top 3, they kept falling back on raw pace and got lucky again with the safety cars. But also they were not far off. They were just lacking some top end speed
They were overheating the tyres in mixed conditions
Caddy will never get a fair BoP. European regulators don't want to see American muscle on the podium.
Utter Bollox!
If the Caddy had no "top end", how come Seb and Alex nearly got pole......?
And the "European bias", are you thick? In IMSA Caddy have fewer competitors.
Jeez....... millennials, snowflakes.....😂
And, Mr. Memory Man, last year some "American Muscle" was on the podium.......😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
@@neilcallan1039 Because of superior American teamwork, Caddy always get the most garbage BoP possible.
The 499P is a beautiful car!
Indeed. Beautiful and brilliant!
Porsche fan here :)
I am learning so much about engineering on this channel
don't forget the efforts of the #83 af corse ferrari. kept toyota away for a few hours from the #51 and #50
spinning out the car that had the most potential for the win also helps
I'm not a Ferrari hater but if one Ferrari should win it would have to be #83
SF should look on WEC Ferrari
Even the bookies wouldn't allow betting on those Mecachrome engines making it to the end
I thought it was a great race, with a lot of diversity and plenty of different kinds of challenges from the weather, other cars, accidents, mistakes and mechanical failures. It also helped that I got to sleep through the safety car and rain induced slow laps, so I saw a lot of racing and I enjoyed it very much. Some great drives from the rookies too. Cadillac were very strong but one car got taken out by a bolt backing out and puncturing the oil tank, so they will learn some lessons from that. Peugeot were reliable and looked great, but were not fast enough this time. And what happened to Kubica and the yellow Ferrari, that had been right at the front? My stream cut to an interview of a guy from Bosch talking about how reliable his hybrid systems were, and in the background you could see the HV electrics on the 83 Ferrari going up in yellow smoke and the team putting on their big rubber gloves: the thing was toast! I was impressed wth the track safety technology too, with the slow zones and the camera systems; there were some really serious high-speed crashes at the Indianapolis complex, including an upside down Aston-Martin, but there were few injuries despite the repeated batterings on the barriers. So we got to see engineering excellence, driver talent, racecraft, teamwork, pit lane wizardry and scrifice from all the teams, and from the organisers we got great guidance and managment from the director, excellent marshalling, safety and race track rectification, and a fine broadcast. And I didn't get wet.
For the Ferrari 83 it seems it had been the good old brake induced fire.
Well said! I went to sleep for a couple of hours during the safety car and woke up just in time for the Aston crash and the unfortunate #83 retirement :( Rest of the race calmed down a bit until the latter stages which were very interesting! Can't wait for next year for Totoyta revenge because I think the #50 got advantaged by the rules a lot (unsafe releases, 5s penalty for spinning opponent, cutting Dunlop chicane all the time..)
@DeFausti well, not by the rules... by the decisions. Adding just 5s to the pit stop was too little for that infringement.
For example, one of the Porsches had a separate drive-through penalty for a yellow zone infringement where he gained no advantage at all...
All that is true :)
But being there and getting wet is also part of the whole Le Mans spirit!
@@dnuno75 Whatever you think of the infringement, it would have been applied to car 51, not 50.
Great video, analysis and amazing Winning Car
Fantastic Analysis !
Glad you liked it!
fantastic race
This Ferrari project highlights how brilliant F1 calibre engineers are, Ferrari set up the WEC project with a load of engineers cut from the F1 project by the budget cap and this is the result, crazy to think that these engineers are the cast offs!
Très interressant, merci.
F1 should copy that wind tunnel testing by regulators so that teams can design more freely but can get penalized if they create too much dirty air.
That was epic
The Ferrari is also the best looking car imo.
Thanks.
is it worth putting a spoon shape aero foil on the bonnet to make downforce in yaw?
With the Budget rules in F1, Ferrari has diverted several Engineers, Technicians, and Technologists into WEC, which shows in the results.
Cadillac intends to push performance into their F1 and WEC programs with a great engine.
Yes, the Ferrari F1 programme has been VERY successful 😂😂😂😂😅😅😅
@@neilcallan1039 ferrari not winning anything doesn't mean they dont have good technicians you dimwit
Thank you for the great video!
While not being an expert, I would say that together with the widespread Gurney flaps of the 499P as you explained, the smoother shape of the front wheel covers should also add some downforce under cornering and cross-wind. No?
I think the 499P is the only Hypercar with that front wheel cover smooth design.
I loved it. Also I've noticed this year there were quite a lot of WEC streams on YT which were not shut down quickly. Do you think BoP done it's job?
It was a nice feeling for me🇮🇹🇮🇹
@B Sport the longitudinal fences on the bodywork have nothing to do with downforce, they are there for stability requirements (they disrupt the suction over fenders etc.. when the wind is coming at a 90-ish degrees angle during a spin)
Oddly enough, the Alpine situation is exactly what Jaguar avoided in 1991. The new all-conquering XJR-14 was winning everything in the WSC, but they knew its Ford V8 (a de-tuned version of the F1 Benetton Ford V8) wouldn't go the distance. So they used the older, slower, more reliable XJR-12 with its V12 engine. They had a huge 200kg weight penalty for selecting the older Group C car, but they brought them home in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place.
I don't think using highly strung engines designed for sprint races makes sense for endurance racing. The Alpine is the best sounding car in the field (unless you prefer the Cadillac), but they need a new solution for Le Mans 2025.
The thing is that up until Le Mans, Alpine didn't have any major issues in the 6 hour long and the sole 10 hour long races. Of course in La Sarthe of all places the engine wouldn't even last 6 hours...Maybe the engine couldn't endure going max rpm through the Hunaudières repeatedly?
Typical, right? Maybe it’s just unlucky, or maybe the long straights of Le Mans put more stress on them? Either way, it’s not great for Alpine for them to have failed so quickly.
Actually vice versa with Peugeot in 94. Their Group C engine was garbage in F1.
About the longitudinal gurneys. I talked about it with one of my teacher last winter, he is working at Toyota GR aero department, and he told me that the tests made by the regulators also control the car in yaw. So I don't understand how such design can be a game changer.
He told me these mini shark fins act like the NASCAR anti barrel roll device, and this is a mandatory device from the technical regulation. Do you confirm?
I would not say it is game changing. But all the clever details of the Ferrari just add up to the brilliant final result.
The wind tunnel downforce number is a weighed average of the measured car performance over a number of roll, yaw and pitch scenarios, so yaw is taken into effect
Ferrari might have been smarter in exploiting the fact that the measured yaw window does not overlap completely with the reality on track, ie the max measured yaw is not the max achieved yaw on track
And there might be something to be said regarding having a fairly large operating window, meaning respecting the DF limit but making sure you achieve it over a largebody attitude scenarios
I want to know what are your thoughts on the toyota's gr010 design. Like an updated thought, not the one from a year ago. While I'm not a ferrari hater or anything, I really thought that toyota was straight up the better team considering their tough circumstances, from their terrible qualifying(both cars didn't even make it into hyperpole) and multiple bad lucks(from driver errors[lopez spinning out] to tyre puncture for the number 7 car, to the number 51 ferrari clipping the number 8 toyota, causing them to lose precious time/positioning, to a potentially unsafe release going unpunished and so on). The rain really made the race really hard for the drivers too, but I was personally very impressed by toyota than other teams regardless of the results. I want to know your thoughts about toyota's car and their strategies(I'm a toyota fan tbh).
Their car is not the best, their team is though. They have the most experience with modern Le Mans, and they’re a whole year ahead in development.
@@dobermanproductions8184 I don't know about how others feel but in this video when b sport mentioned that ferrari is basically adding additional free downforce via the use of gurney flap(especially during yawing), isn't that technically cheating(?)(if it's not cheating because tbh I also think it's innovative, why aren't other teams doing it?). To me, I think the gr010 is a great car but the added weight for them sucks. Still they(toyota) really stole my heart because imagine start from 11th and 23th(last place) and ending up 5th and 2nd overall(big kudos). Furthermore, I just feel like it's kinda weight how toyota suddenly fail to develop the gr010 since they were super dominant(take last year for example, they won every freaking WEC race except le mans, they were dominating WEC 2023).
I think their main issue is that their car doesn't go consistently quick at all situations. Especially in qualifying they tend to struggle a lot. The Ferrari especially seems to work at all situations perfectly. But you see that, when the Toyota is in the right window, they can be super quick. As we saw with the fastest lap that was driven by Kobayashi in his #7 Toyota. I guess their car is also less drivable compared to the Ferrari, as we saw with Pechito's many mistakes or last year's big mistake from Hirakawa. You barely see that from Ferrari. Drivability is a big factor in BoP'ed endurance racing since it makes potentially slower driver closer to the quick drivers. If you compare the fastest times from the Ferraris, they all look fairly even. If you compare that to the Toyota, or the BMW--as an example for another hard to drive car--you see that the times were widely spread.
@@petouser Good point and analysis, but I would like to ask why is the driveability suddenly an issue now for the toyota when the car is already very well developed since 2021? And yes, I agree that driveability is very important especially for long endurance races like 24 hours of le mans(the car must be able to maintain its performance throughout the whole race,[well same goes to any type of motorsports vehicle])
@@petouserAlso part of the GR010 design is that its based on the old hypercar regulations, fia changed some rules to make it more attractive for manufacturers to join resulting in toyota having a car based on old rules trying to adjust to the new rules
Amazing race.. hardest deserved win
The BoP doesn’t explain the efficiency of the engine. I think the Ferrari is more efficient than others.
The Ferrari is more aerodinamically efficient. Since it's so efficient, the BOP limited it's power (and thus having the least power over 250 km/h, the Ferrari still was the second fastest car on the straight at Le Mans). Having less power means to use less of it, and for that, thus being the car that can embark less energy for stint, the Ferrari, at the end, did a lap more than the Toyota at every refueling.
The weight differences were so small between the cars mean “by far the heaviest car” doesn’t mean as much as it sounds like.
There was an article with CAD models made a few months back about planned aero changes for the Glickenhaus which never got made since they pulled out. I know you made a video about the Glickenhaus already, do you ever plan to revisit that regarding the planned changes? I'd like to hear your thoughts on how it might have worked out.
was EPIC race
Oreca has been heavily involved in GT3 296 project. In LMDH DALLARA built many parts under Ferrari project
Can anyone explain why the commentator said at one point "there's no BoP, the cars are running as they were originally designed" (... or something like that")
It was in the last 6 hours of the race when Anthony Davidson asked a question about BoP and one of the other commentators said there no BoP
Amma keep this video as evidence to show that FERRARI GOT PEGGED DOWN AND WE STILL WERE COMPETITIVE THROUGHOUT THE RACE!!! FORZA FERRARI!!!!
"We"? You work for Ferrari?
Dirty ferrari
My Ferrari win prediction on Bsport's prior video was correct.
Amazing Race despite 4-hours of safety car due to rain.
As a CLK-GTR & CLR fanboy am waiting for the day Mercedes ////AMG returns to Le Man, epic race-cars
It was better than the N24.........and you may have a long wait for an AMG return to Lemans........
A question regarding the sound of the cars - do the non-turbocharged engines like Cadillac, Ford, Lambo GT etc. have to use mufflers in Le Mans to stay within decibel regulations?
we learned that it's easier to just spin your opponent around than to actually beat them in a race.
I personally wish they’d get rid of bop for hypercar class they already have strict rules in place for the downforce/ drag ratio as well as power and even more specifically how that power is delivered in terms of the hybrid side. I get bop for gt3 cars since they are all so different
Spa and Imola already show Ferrari pace to people as Ferrari nearly 1-2-3 those if not for back luck.
5150 Legend
Capolavoro Ferrari❤
Another fantastic video, but why was there no mention of Peugeot?
Peugeot were racing in Lemans this weekend?
loool
They aren't worth being mentioned 😂
issota vid please 🙏😭
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alpine hypercar need to change engine to 3.8L pipo motor from glickenhaus
i bet that if they put Dacia in Alpine's place, they would do a better job at keeping the cars running for 24h. And they are a budget brand
delayed
I was cheering for Toyota, hope next year they come even better.
Penske need a leman eventually.
Can someone explain the safety car regulations to me? As I understood it, a pit stop was only possible again without penalty in the following lap after the end of the safety car phase. Nevertheless, cars followed the safety car into the pits. Like me, the commentators had expected a penalty for this. But this did not happen. Where there simply too many vehicles or did they turn a blind eye, because of the rain and the many vehicles on slicks to ensure safety?
The race director said on air that cars were allowed to follow the SC to the pits. I watched the Eurosport feed, it was clearly heard on air there.
Im suprised by Kubica, in the good and in the bad way.
Not all of the team where bad I mean most of the team where driving well and clean, but man some of the moves of overtakes. I understand Le Mans they said are under different rule set, but some of the moves they allowed there made me nervous. Especially during wet. Even as a Ferrari fan that was nearly reckless and stupid.
Yes FERRARI.!!!
Alpine chose an engine designed to last 3 hours and refused to elaborate
But people on the internet were telling me that Porsche were gonna win 123.
I still don't get BoP for prototypes: if cars are built to a performance window, why would there be any need to have cars at different weights and power levels?
because without bop bmw lamborghini pego alpine issota and basically anyone not named toyota and ferrari will leave including porsche
Because you can find other ways to gain perfomance. Ultimate pace means nothing in a BoP formula, what you want is a car that is easy to drive in all conditions and is easy on the tires.
And Ferrari gamed the perfomance window better than the others. The car produces more downforce than it's supposed to.
Peugeot tried that with their wingless design, if they could run the car lower than in the windtunnel it could have had a lot more downforce, in reality they were forced to run higher than in the windtunnel, losing downforce instead.
@@2dank361 Toyota and Ferrari LMHs is plenty IMO! Porsche will build a proper LMH again if they were truly interested in winning at any cost.
@@Celciusify Peugeot also couldn't run the car as low as they'd have wanted on every track. Sebring is too bumpy, Portimão and Spa have massive sudden elevation changes...
Because without BOP you have the last 20 years of Le Mans. The possibilities to botch the project, in respect to the money needed to compete, are so high that only one manufacturer at a time takes the challenge seriously, and wins until it has enough.
The unfavorable aerodynamic and downforce rules and the BOP makes so that you can run on relatively little budget (as with the LMdH cars) and still being competitive. With the competition between manufacturers more viewers arrived, and with the viewers, more manufacturers got interested.
@BSport, I'm interested in the oil usage of the Ferrari's. I'm thinking back to 2018/2019 Ferrari in F1 where it was a common to see blue smoke out of their cars. They have form/expertise in this area, and obviously were doing something illegal with fuel flow in 2019. Have they transferred their knowledge of this stuff over to sports cars? Are they burning oil on purpose for more power? In theory, they could add more downforce to reduce the top speed gain, and hope nobody will look too closely.
Power is controlled by sensors on the wheels, andthe virtual energy usage is also controlled by those sensors. It wouldn't make sense touse oil that way.
@@R4M_Tommyalso, it was mercedes that burned more oil, up until 2017. Ferrari in 2019 was tricking the fuel flow sensor
Milesi in the Alpine was completely blind due to oil burning Ferrari in front of him at the start. My guess is it was on purpose.. same as cutting the Dunlop chicane 24 times by #50 without repercussions. 24x 1-2s and you can see how such a "small mistake" can have an important impact
#3 Caddy had an advanced version of the same system...........?
😂😆😂😆
@@DeFaustiIt was more likely from his own car, as his engine failed 😂😆
Im just happy the Mustangs beat the Vettes and got p3/4 :]
An interesting conclusion, but I think what we all REALLY learned from the race is the true meaning of Christmas.
Shouldn't you be at English or Bible Studies....?
@@neilcallan1039How so? Isn't bible studies where they nonce up kids?
@@Cyco2k5 I thought we learnt the true race are the friends we made along the way.
I would send Ferrari F1 guys to school by theyr WEC collegues 😀
Because Peugeot are aspiring to the Alpine vision.
Not even a mention of the dismal Peugeot performance 🤣
Porsche drivers say that Ferrari and Toyota were sandbagging.
And good point someone already mentioned about Peugeot… WTH happens with them? New car is a total disaster in terms of speed.
They introduced the winged car so late there wasn't enough data, so BoP was hard on them just in case they were trying to sneak a miracle car into Le Mans.
@@EmyrDerfelfew races passed, no changes…
I thought the brilliant strategy gave Ferrari the chance to beat Toyota. They were consistently slower in the wet. But they realize they could run the car more efficiently and reduce number of pit stop. That let the Ferrari jump Toyota.
In the dry, Toyota is likely to have won.
Yes, just like they got Pole Position......?
For what shown in the first hours of the race, had the race been completely dry, the Ferrari would have lapped everyone.
@@neutronalchemist3241 actually. You’re right. Ferrari would have won in the dry.
So my point is that Toyota is faster in the rain. I guess they set up the car with wet weather in mind.
So it was only with taking a riskier strategy that made Ferrari win that race.
Peugeot and Alpine battling to become the worst french team. Its a close race...
😂😂😂
Alpine is more likely worse because they weren't good in not just WEC, considering their engine is a Mecachrome, but in F1, too. Peugeot however, had their own success in the past outside of WRC which they were successful.
At least Peugeot managed to finish and score points
They have disgraced the Alpine name and heritage. Change it back to RENAULT!
It's like that useless Ford F1 car they called Jaguar.
It's very telling that Toyota finished WEC with 30% more points than Ferrari last year, and again LeMans was Ferrari's first WEC win of 2024. This car is only designed for one track.
Last year Ferrari won LM also due to luck. They hadn't the best car.
This year Ferrari had not won at Imola and Spa already due to bad luck, and almost lost Le Mans due to the weather. They have the best car.
@@neutronalchemist3241 Ferrari only won LeMans this year because the sister car hit the Toyota #8.
@@budthecyborg4575 Yeah, yeah. 24 hours of race don't count.
The 50 Ferrari had been penalized 20 seconds AND had to do a forced pit-stop, otherwise, even with the rain and the safety-car, and without the Toyota n.8 spinning, it would have won by over a minute.
@@neutronalchemist3241 Difference is, one is self induced and another is taking out your competitor
ALPINE LOL
BoP wasn't that good. Toyota needed some more nerfs.
The Toyota might be a better car
Takes too long to fix the barriers....
You obviously didn't see the accident and the hole in the barriers in the Lemans Cup support race....... Google it.LMP3 car reduced to the tub & driver walked away. F1 should suit your attention span😮
no.8 toyota might have had a chance at victory but for an unfortunate incident with the no.51 ferrari in the wet.
NO
Unless you put Kev "Kamikaze" Estre or Mr "Crash" Vantoor in.....
BOP bores the shit out of me
Without BoP Ferrari would have won by 10 laps ahead of everyone else
@@Law0fRevenge Good for them! Let the best car win.
@@Law0fRevenge Without BoP Porsche would have turned the 919 into a 920 or 921 LMH instead of going for a LMDh.
I get BoP but sometimes it ruins racing for me, it feels artificial
@@pachakutimundi6813all racing is artificial, except for the unlimited class at Pikes Peak. If the competitors are too far apart, there is no competition, and that's boring as hell. You want each competitor to have at least some chance, even if its so slim they need a boatload of luck.
Stewards treated Ferrari with kid gloves, dishing out the weakest penalties.
anyone here knows gematria
LMH seem to have always a advantage in LeMans. 2nd time now they profited from the rules. I think they should separate the classes again. Now a LMDH has only a chance when a LMH blows up or has a crash.
Thats never going to happen
Wait till '25.....
Valkyrie 😈
@@m3lgar582 Sad but true ...
LMdH rules allow to compete at a greatly reduced cost and still be competitive due to the BOP. The Cadillac was still in the leading group at 1 hour from the end.
Ferrari's all-wheel drive made a big difference accelerating in the wet, did it not?
Awd only kicks in after 190kmh so at low speeds it makes no difference
Actually ferrari was the faster team on dry conditions While Toyota and porsche caught up under the rain.
Ferrari was abysmal in rainy conditions, the all-nighter SC literally saved them.
In the reality, Ferrari monocoque is built from Dallara as well many parts of the car
It's not a ready made Dallara design though, it's custom for Ferrari. Lmdh is different, any manufacturer could buy the Multimatic chassis used by Porsche and fit their own engine and bodywork.
oreca helped them build it, not design it
BOP also known as Bullshit Overregulation of Performance
I'm stealing this
We learned you can "punt" one of your competitors and pay no penalty. Toyota had the best car, but all the Hyper cars are amazing.
Ferrari sandbagged like hell, even the commentators mentioned it multiple times..
Well, that's on the FIA for not running a precise simulation in order to set the BoP for the 499P
Ferrari didn't win a single race this season before LM24h, yet it has arguably the worst BOP (other than what's shown here, they have the least energy for stint, and the longest refueling time). The organizers know exactly how much power the car is using in any moment. There's little room to sandbag.
@@neutronalchemist3241 Yup, the #50 Ferrari had to save like crazy in order to win because they are only allowed to consume 889 MJ worth of energy per stint, whereas the Porsche and the Toyota were around 905 MJ of energy per stint.
@@lucaspiredda7677🤦🏿♂️ They had to save because they were on an offset strategy…because they had to pit early to close the open door.
@@kevinwho. Yes I know, but the fact that they are only allowed to use 889 MJ meant that they had to save even more aggresively, if it was a Porsche or a Toyota in that situation it wouldn't have been that close.
Wow you even defend kubica. This is a joke.
A joke is Vanthoor driving style and not respecting blue flags. Typical BMW noob driver
Kubi was a bit naughty & was retaliating, but DV was driving like a c@nt - Kubi got alongside twice, wouldn't back down, cut the 2nd chicane (no penalty) to stay in front. He may be fast, but then so is "Crash" Derani. Check out the #15 onboard.
@@michawozniak5492 Wel Kubica should have crashed harder... lost his other hand too maybe
@@N911GT2 And you clearly lost your mind...
shame on Porsche
4th place ain't bad, they were up there the whole race bro
Race was the most boring 24 race I’ve seen. Too many safety car laps in the rain. I understand safety was an issue but at the same time, let them race. Every car reacts differently to weather conditions. Look at Peugeot for example. They were competitive last year in the rain… just my .02
It wasn't boring as a whole, there was action almost till the end. However the decision for the lengthy SC is incomprehensible, total disgrace for the event. Don't know how the race director keeps his place.
So you didn't see or go to the N24.........?
🥱😴🥱😴
Go & watch Formula E, go gender neutral, immerse yourself in AI. 😢
Toyota are still my champs
Toyota has never won against real competition(Audi, ferrari, porsche)
It was an incredible recovery drive from the team despite starting from the back. They made the right calls to go on full wets which helped moved them at the front, a shame in the final hours a "racing incident" ruined their chance to retake the LeMans crown.
@@user-bb6xb3cz1k They woulda win if they didn't get sBinalla by the 51 ferrari
@@theracingban yeah but they did not, same as 2016. The winner is the one whos faster over 24 hours, not 22 or 23:57 hours
That's cool because Toyota are my chOmps!!!
The Ferrari was ridiculous on the straights, Porsche and Cadillac couldnt overtake, so it tells you that despite all their crying about bad BOP and no straight line speed they were unpassable on the straight
I'm actually so mad Toyota couldn't take the win. To me this race was theirs. They overcame so much bad luck and adversity. They did almost everything perfectly as a a team except for when Lopez made 2 big driving mistakes in the wet, losing 20s and 10s each time iirc.
Never mind the #7, the #8 was well ahead of that and would have won had Ferrari not punted it off the road.
@@stephengalanis Yea thats why you should not put a Hartley in the car. He invited them for this move
@@stephengalanis Yes, I was talking about #8. Tho both car did very well.
The race was lost due to the nut that would not cooperate during the pitstop. No. 8 lost too much time, allowed 51 to catch-up and do what Ferrari does better. When they cannot compete with you, they take you out. 5 seconds penalty for ruining the leaders race, this is race director almost colluding.
The comments towards Hartley are unfair, the man was absolutely flying in his stints. Lopez did drop the ball, big-time.
@@constantinegiotopoulos3033 Considering Lopez literally had to hop onto the car with less than 2 days notice, and running at one of the harshest Le Mans, I'd say he has done the best he can.
That toyota are slow and these ferraris have some aero trickery going on
They were 28 sec behind
That's not slow
Toyota were heaviest, because of the stupid BoP. It's like adding handicap in games vs opponents. Why don't they just let the best team win, fucking stupid BoP bullshit!
@@toyotagaz oh ok.
f1 engineers built that car of course they got aero trickery going on
The Toyota's were fast af, if only for the weight penalty
Ferrari won't win if they didn't took out the Toyota by pitting. Also their cars were consistently spilling oil, blinding the cars behind. Ferrari got to be ferrari to win 😂😂😂.
not true , the oil wasn't coming from Ferrari or at least not only from them, since cars way behind had the same crap on their windscreens.
@@mauriziocardile499 then why were they frequently toping up oil?
@@abhishekwellage215 are you really this dense?, Do you really think they knowingly sabotaged themselves loosing oil in 24h race? btw if you rewatch the start on the FIA WEC youtube channel , the number 2 Cadillac and the Alpine had the windscreen dirty with oil and neither of them was even close to any of the Ferrari, the car loosing oil at the start was the n° 15 BMW and you can clearly see it at minute 2:50 in the video
@@mauriziocardile499literally every car that went behind No. 50 to overtake got its glass covered in oil. That was all through the race, from Milesi's Alpine at the start to Buemi's Toyota towards the end. All had to compromise their strategy and do an early pitstop due to no visibility. People were seeing it, the race director wasn't.
@@constantinegiotopoulos3033 check the comment i posted a minute ago, the car affected by the oil were number 2 Cadillac and number 35 Alpine neither of them was even close to any of the Ferrari , and specially the 50, you can clearly see BMW number 15 spraying oil at minute 2:50 of the start video on FIA WEC youtube Channel. you are wrong, check the Porsche n° 6 windscreen after it get passed by the n° 50 Ferrari in the first lap pretty clean if you ask me, you can even check the n°50 onboard after it moved to first place they switch to rear camera, there's no sign of oil leaking. as i said before how can two cars that were nowhere near the 50 at the start got the windscreen dirty in the first lap?? please i fervently await your new excuse, you are grasping at straws,
still dont get why the Ferrari was so fast on the straights. Not Toyota or Porsche could overtake them. And lets not talk about the way the FIA gifted them the win... that whole race was as hilarious as last year.
The two Toyota were the fastest cars on the straight, both at 344.5 km/h. The 50 Ferrari was only 3rd at 343.6 km/h.
We learned that Ferrari bought the FIA again.
This expert never heard of A.C.O.
@@mattg432 The FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) is the world's premier international sportscar championship.