The thing about this is that Dawkins was under the impression that he was there to debate with Flowers about religion. He was embarrassed and actually apologized when he realised that Brandon was there to just promote his band. That's why Dawkins came across overly aggressive. The host should have made this clear to Richard beforehand. And to upload this clip without explaining the situation is kind of pathetic and unfair to both men.
Why defend Dawkins? Dawkins is highly educated and was obviously purposely brought into this conversation to make Brandon Flowers look like a fool, regardless of a later “apology”. Context or not - Dawkins is the charlatan. Dawkins believes that EVERYTHING related to religion is fake - why else bring Dawkins to a discussion with someone that believes the Book of Mormon. About music? Ridiculous. Watch Dawkins against Ben Stein - there’s a debate that would go over well.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 How can Dawkins be a charlatan lmfao😂. He doesn’t pretend he knows about evolutionary science, he literally has a PhD in it. He doesn’t spew things that he made up, but things based off hundreds of years of evidence.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 Dawkins doesn't believe everything related to religion is fake, in fact he's had a methodically open mind when tearing down the superstitions surrounding religion. Also, the host lied to him, not really his fault for not knowing he wasn't there to debate religion
Torah and the Quran are ancient documents, but the difference is they make up the base of the legal system in Judeo-Christian society even for today's secular atheist countries, for example in pre-christian pagan/godless Europe, adultery, incest and bestiality was completely lawful until Christianity implemented strict mosaic shari'a from the Old testament (comparable to Islamic shari'a), where in certain cases death sentences were issued to convicts. Atheism leads to degeneracy of morality as they don't believe in objective morality from a higher source in any way. As an atheist they should have no objections to incest between same sex siblings for example. But yet incest is still illegal in all secular countries. Bunch of hypocrites piggybacking off of God's holy laws then denying God completely. Btw hateful people still burn Qur'ans all the time. Speakers corner london where some manchild (not worth mentioning their name) goes up to people and drills a hole in the Qur'an and plays with a toy mouse in the holes. Some atheists done it to bibles but they got bored now.
You might not have seen or heard about this but Dawkins has debated highly placed Christians, Jews and Islamistes. They were well educated and articulate. This man has not been canceled. Nor is he likely to be.
Brandon is a little awkward on any kind of interview, he isn't easy to talk and that's why he does music. Do you wanna hear what he has to say about his religion? Go listen to The Killers "Imploding the Mirage" and "Pressure Machine" albums. Spoiler, he isn't a brainwashed Mormon, he's stative on things about his own faith. Leave that man practice whatever he wants. EDIT: I'm not Mormon or religious at all so Idc what does he or any of you believe. Just listen to good music and let people find good wherever they think it's worth it. ✨
Thank you for saying this. I believe we get a really bad rap because people don’t understand us and what we really believe. I respect anyone and whatever they choose to be or not be. By the way I would say most of us aren’t “brainwashed” Now if you’re talking about the FLDS that’s another story. We are LDS and we are completely separate.
@@hgm26 bro we're not a cult, do some research, if your not a member or someone that's been educated a long time then your just assuming a lot with that statement, you probably don't even actually know what we beleive
Terrible to attack a mans personal faith when he's there to promote his rock bands album. Agree or disagree with Dawkins take on things it was horrible to insult Flowers like that. Don't think he signed up for a religious debate before going on that show. Imagine a man or woman on a show promoting a cookbook and someone randomly attacking his/her sexuality. Terrible conduct. I'm a fan of a Dawkins but this was nasty.
I'm not religious but what is the point of destroying this young man's religious beliefs? From a personal perspective I would only do it out of jealousy. This kid believes in and takes comfort in a higher power, and I don't have the capacity to do that. Why should I shit on the beliefs that bring him happiness?
❤👏🙌 maybe because you’re a decent fucking human being who respects other people’s differences from your own because you know life is deeper than this superficial argumentative and useless dialogue that yields very little results whatsoever and just gets people upset for no reason.
One has the right to openly criticize beliefs that entail claiming to know things that one can’t possibly know. Also, religion affects others, always has. The sooner we can rid ourselves of it, the better
@@BuscaLoEsencial I’m surprised everyday. If you’re referring to being surprised about a creator actually existing, then I doubt it, but it’s possible. And even if there were a creator, I would sooner worship a dog than a god. Especially a god as egotistical and tyrannical as the god of Abraham. You are very arrogant to pretend to know what you do not and cannot know.
That’s not the way people ‘talked ‘ in the 19th century or did you mean ‘spoke’ in the 19th century. Also convicted? Convicted by whom ? Presumably institutions with their own deep rooted beliefs. All I know is that the killers rock!
Actually the interviewer should have informed him why he was there. It's not the job of the interviewee to do the research it's is the job of the interviewer
The problem with being attacked is person attacking is always prepared and the person attacked is often caught off guard and not in a mind set to debate. Like this case where Brandon came to talk music. The truth is that the Book of Mormon was translated into English. If I wanted to translate the word ‘place’ and chose ‘site’ or ‘location’ Dawkins would say I’ve done it wrong and this the entire book is false. Sometimes intelligence is your own worst enemy. Carry on Brandon. You’re fine.
You're are right actually. Dawkins was actually embarrassed and apologised to Brandon when he realised that he was there to just promote the band. That's why Dawkins seemed overly aggressiv. The host should have clarified this to Richard.
I'm a Muslim but Brandon was there to promote their new album not to be questioned for his faith. He is a humble man and it's not like he was shoving his religion on others or causing harm to anyone. He was just minding his own business. They stupidly asked him on his faith the WHOLE interview and wasted his time and he didn't even talk a single minute of the album. What boggles me is that people in the original comment section of the video clown Brandon for stuttering and defending his faith but don't clown Richard for debating on faith on an interview supposed to be about music.
@@Burps___ Well ofc if he was asked he had to oblige. That doesn't change the fact that he was there for promotion of his album NOT for a debate. Why even being up his religion?And you need to see Brandon's interview after this where he said that he didn't know he was gonna be questioned about his religion and that he made some good points but they cut it out. And why even have a debate with a normal follower rather than a priest/preacher who knows more about the religion and can make his point of view clear?
I don’t agree with Mormonism, and what Dawkins said her may in fact be very true, but he comes off as a pompous ass in this conversation. I feel second-hand embarrassment for Dawkins here since it’s kinda like watching a boxer mistake the referee as his opponent. Brandon was there to discuss his music, and Dawkins came in belligerently attacking him.
If he came to see Dawkins he wasn’t there to talk about his music. 😂 He knew who this man is. It’s sad that in this day and age with the information we have today some still cling to dogma. I understand in poor strict countries like the Middle East because they haven’t had the education of western nations. I, like Dawkins am tired of it. Look what these evangelical nuts are doing in America today.
The Mormons I have met and made friendships with amaze me with their work ethic and generosity of spirit. They certainly count their blessings every day.
The moment they start regurgitating their doctrine they are con men and party to all the damage that cult has caused to humanity. Organized religion is the greatest evil enacted upon mankind.
Researching what though? He should research ultracrepidarianism, just cuz he studied one field doesn't mean he can declare himself the definitive source of truth on whatever topic he spends a few hours Googling. For example he went on Joe Rogan and was surprised to learn at what age Joseph saw God and Christ, something any 10 year old practicing member would know off the top of their head.
@@lukehanson_ Which account of the first vision are you using as your source? lol Joseph Smith was a con man and changed his story multiple times regarding what happened, who appeared to him and what they told him. The church has basically taken those accounts and gone with an amalgamation of the 4. It also doesn't matter what age Joseph Smith claimed to have had the first vision. That's not what they're discussing. He's referencing Joseph Smith's criminal history. He was convicted of deceiving people as a treasure hunter. Your argument is like saying you can't be an expert on the OJ murder trial unless you know at what age he learned to ride a bike. You can have an extensive knowledge of one without knowing the other.
@@Scotter4536 incorrect. The age of Joseph Smith is part of the story, therefore why I said a 10 year old latter day saint would know. If you don't know something a 10 year old did know about the faith, you probably shouldn't claim expertise. It's funny you hold up the criminal justice system as a good metric to determine a person's moral character in the same paragraph you use the OJ trail as an example. Also, which court case are you referring to Joseph Smith being convicted of being a con man?
Plenty are? Like, way less suspect? And I don't believe any of them, but certainly Mornonism highly suspect and ridiculous to even the casual researcher on the subject
I understand why you may think that, however, once you understand the doctrines and tenets of most mainstream religions, there are very clear divisions between Mormonism and other religions. Indeed they share plenty of commonalities but Mormonism is an extremely new, modern religion -- its roots aren't shrouded in historical uncertainties like Christianity for example, whose books have been selected, curated, and modified by powerful people through the ages (ie. King James Bible). Like Richard says, it's quite clearly a 19th century creation. It's much easier to critically assess Mormon claims about reality, as we have access to far more verifiable information due to its recency. We can also critically assess Joseph, his life and his motives. Mormons make historical claims about North America, historical figures who supposedly lived here hundreds or thousands of years ago -- which are easily debunked by science.
@@thomaseast2842 Exactly! You can't just pull stuff out of the Bible and make your own Bible, religion and become a prophet. The Church of Latter-day Saints Mormons are a cult and if you don't abid by what they say and do then you'll be excommunicated. I know some that have. God is very merciful and nobody is allowed to say who can and can't worship him in his house.
If someone’s faith is truly firm and strong, they should be less likely to feel offended by opposing views or criticisms. Getting easily offended might indicate insecurity or a lack of confidence in their faith.
Anyone who has a belief should be completely open to have someone doubt their ideas. Theres nothing to fear with doubt,it could lead you to the truth. Doubt is bad if it leads to crushing your original ideas.
If the book of mormon was so fake why did God make it float up and out of orbit of earth's gravitational pull and then send it through space back into heaven ? Answer me that!
Telling Dawkins to ‘do your research’ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ i do respect Brandon keeping his response polite and respectful, it’s obviously hard for him to hear such a harsh pov
Brandon is such a talented cutie who just wants to make good rock music. The whole show was wrong for letting Dawkins and the others attack Brandon's religion like that, especially since Brandon was not prepared for the onslaught. geez louise.
So if I came to you and told you I seriously believed in hobbitism , and that the the great gandalf instructed all hobbits that questing was the most honourable acts they could partake, and u would say but Ur not a hobbit and I said but I am a hobbitist, I believe man derived from hobbits which is why some men have large feet , some men are small but not all...gandalf was great and instructed all and there's much we can learn from his teachings of hobbits...you would surely say what a complete lot of nonsense , how on earth could you believe that as a religious doctrine...it's no different.
Even the Bible was a collection of books rewritten and put together for a modern take. This doesn’t make them “fakes” by default. There’s this little thing called “context” and “nuance”.
I am religious and to this day think this is one of the top 15 funniest things I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. The look of rage and anger in Flowers’ face (if you watch the full clip) gets me every time.
A testimony of God is not one you prove in the laboratory it’s done through the Holy Ghost if you don’t believe that’s fine but I cannot prove it to you and you cannot disprove it for me we all have to have that revelation made to ourselves. Mormon here, now have at it.
Some people just like all the woke ppl, You could scream at the top of your lungs obvious truths, but they will deny it no matter how clear it is. It’s very sad.
@@Nozarash1 you can easily dispute the Quran, it was put together 300 years after Muhammed died by hundreds of different people coming together and attempting to recount generational stories. That's not very good system for factual accuracy. Then on top of that you have the overwhelming plaguerism from other cultures and Christianity and Judaism. Christianity is a plaguerism of Judaism, for example the Jewish tribes used to send a goat loaded with "the sins of the tribe" into the desert to die. This is the origin of the word scapegoating, and pretty much the premise of Jesus. Judaism itself arose out of a polytheism, and was but one sect of a diverse religion with many gods.
@@jdkhaos4983 actually the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago and it’s in it’s original Arabic txt never been changed. There is carbon copies that are in Birmingham. As for the Bible there are 70 different bibles. And it’s not in the original Aramaic text. The earliest Bible would be the Greek version
Yes, easily. The Bible and Quran were not written in English. The Book of Mormon was written in the language the writers spoke; reformed Egyptian. Then later it was translated into English by Joseph Smith.
Guessing that The Killers won't be covering the South Park song about Joseph Smith anytime soon. Shame they could probably do a rockin' version of it...
Denial playbook: Ask for specifics when the criticism is general or broad in scope….. Then deny specifics when they are presented saying they don’t represent the general… Repeat until end of time
That reporter was so rude to Brandon who is honestly practicing his faith. And then he says “When I read the BOM… *whispers* I didn’t read it all….” What a joke lol. He thinks he’s done research after reading 1 page?
Read the witnesses testimony even the main three witnesses (Oliver kowdery, Martin Harris and David Whitmer)that and even to their deaths, never recanted their testimonies of the book being real and from God.
@@geraldcroft9020 Do you think that that is a good way of determining truth? Just because someone sticks to a story doesn't make it true. Also, Martin Harris even said that he nor any of the other 3 or 8 witness actually viewed the plates physically. He said they were viewed through their "spiritual" eyes in a vision or imagination and that they were reluctant to sign the witness. This comes from the Church's own source, the Joseph Smith Papers, Letterbook 2, page 64. The Church's history isn't as well put together as sunday school manuals would have you believe.
There’s a difference between attacking a person’s faith and pointing out things that are quite clearly not true. It also gets worse when religion gets permission to behave VERY badly without any social repercussion.
Wow! I'm something between atheist and agnostic. I don't care about his religion, i know he is mormon and i don't care. I love his music with The Killers and solos, i respect him a lot.
Well it was insulting is Brandon going to leave his religious community and abandon his faith because of that guy though? I doubt it. I actually really like how Brandon has mentioned Johnny Cash and Elvis singing Gospel too and did they need to be insulted about it? All his years in Vegas I imagine Brandon seeing many Elvis impersonators and thinking oh so just wear a flashy jacket and sing people like that and now he's older than Elvis when he died doesn't pop pills isn't overweight not a womanizer so I think he does whatever works for him.
im not at all a religious person, i dont follow any deity, but seriously, if he read like 1 page or a few passages, do some damn research, and dont go to a mormon to disprove their beliefs, i dont blame brandon at all for telling dawkings to do research, i would do the same thing if i were religious, i would get defensive, because it's something i can believe in and you dont. this is just an example, but i think you get my point
Well.... we can not change how people think themselves over and over again... being the smartest guy in all his glory. But i think the saying is true.... "A smartest person in the world is the greatest ignorant and dumbest person forever"...
He was run out of the state because people didn't like his religion. The same thing happened to the Christians after Christ died during the Roman empire.
@@Iceman20102010 He used his fake religion to leverage people, especially men and their wives. Christianity isn’t a cult, story’s have been proven to be historical. Everything from the Book of Mormon is a bunch of made up nonsense 😂 you can see it in the way they govern the church today, they change policies left and right to benefit their pocket book. Pretty suspicious when the organization runs like a business I mean they’re one of the biggest funding groups for big pharma
The difference is that Dawkins has actually read this tripe and can dismantle its ridiculousness. This fella has basically just been brought up as a morman and won’t believe it’s anything but true as mommy and daddy and the rest of the surrounding misguided simpletons believe it.
I had to leave the Mormon church because the Pearl of great price drawings claiming to be Abraham are almost certainly from the book of breathings or Egyptian funeral rites…. It’s sad… the Mormon culture has so many great things… religion really does a lot to unify and help humans, but I can’t follow a lie.
It's his perogative, what religion he wants to follow.Being backed into a corner because his beliefs don't match up with the person surprising him into a debate is a pretty shitty thing to do,is it not?Yes, there are aggresive bullies in that church, but you'll find a bully in any religion. It always seems to be this way, if you're a bully, you radar in on the awkward person so you can feel more powerful. Brandon Flowers is more of an awkward introvert, and you dont see him trying to force people into his religion. He was there for sharing his music, not religious debate.
Dawkins is not very smart. True, it is not how people in those days talked, but it is how they read in those days.The Bible was available at the time the Book of Mormon was translated. So it only makes sense that another book of scripture was written in Old English the same way the Bible was at that time.
@@norwegianzound I've seen it , Richard even apologized because he didn't know he was just there to perform and Richard was taking up time . Maybe Richard thought he was there for a religious debate
Dawkins came to destroy... Brandon came to sing 😂
And Dawkins won.
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Exactly... ..a know it all narc even if it is factual
Le falta destruir su ego 😂
The thing about this is that Dawkins was under the impression that he was there to debate with Flowers about religion. He was embarrassed and actually apologized when he realised that Brandon was there to just promote his band. That's why Dawkins came across overly aggressive. The host should have made this clear to Richard beforehand. And to upload this clip without explaining the situation is kind of pathetic and unfair to both men.
Why defend Dawkins? Dawkins is highly educated and was obviously purposely brought into this conversation to make Brandon Flowers look like a fool, regardless of a later “apology”. Context or not - Dawkins is the charlatan. Dawkins believes that EVERYTHING related to religion is fake - why else bring Dawkins to a discussion with someone that believes the Book of Mormon. About music? Ridiculous. Watch Dawkins against Ben Stein - there’s a debate that would go over well.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 How can Dawkins be a charlatan lmfao😂. He doesn’t pretend he knows about evolutionary science, he literally has a PhD in it. He doesn’t spew things that he made up, but things based off hundreds of years of evidence.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 someone’s mad
@@lunettepepperglow7472 Dawkins doesn't believe everything related to religion is fake, in fact he's had a methodically open mind when tearing down the superstitions surrounding religion. Also, the host lied to him, not really his fault for not knowing he wasn't there to debate religion
Pretty boys
As an atheist, Mr Brightside is still one of the catchiest songs of this generation
He wasn’t religious then
@@AP_allday hes means himself as an athiest...
Dumb, dumb, dumb😂
As an atheist a rarely care about artists religious beliefs unless they start mindlessly pushing it on their fans.
Ive seen this quite a few times now and didn't even know this guy is from the band The Killers 😅
Here’s the thing, if you said any of that to a Jewish or Islamic person about the Torah or the Quaran, you would be cancelled
And that's problematic. We're supposed to be having dialogue.
Torah and the Quran are ancient documents, but the difference is they make up the base of the legal system in Judeo-Christian society even for today's secular atheist countries, for example in pre-christian pagan/godless Europe, adultery, incest and bestiality was completely lawful until Christianity implemented strict mosaic shari'a from the Old testament (comparable to Islamic shari'a), where in certain cases death sentences were issued to convicts.
Atheism leads to degeneracy of morality as they don't believe in objective morality from a higher source in any way. As an atheist they should have no objections to incest between same sex siblings for example. But yet incest is still illegal in all secular countries. Bunch of hypocrites piggybacking off of God's holy laws then denying God completely.
Btw hateful people still burn Qur'ans all the time. Speakers corner london where some manchild (not worth mentioning their name) goes up to people and drills a hole in the Qur'an and plays with a toy mouse in the holes. Some atheists done it to bibles but they got bored now.
You might not have seen or heard about this but Dawkins has debated highly placed Christians, Jews and Islamistes. They were well educated and articulate. This man has not been canceled. Nor is he likely to be.
Dawkins has made all faiths look ridiculous countless times.
You've never seen any Christopher hitchins debates then.
I mistakenly read it as Moron and thought how rude of the uploader to call someone that. Found out it's a religion of sorts.
And the Mormon is a super famous singer…possibly the most famous Mormon.
"Of sorts" is a good way to put it.
@@blackout07blueno clue who he is.
😂😂
Brandon is a little awkward on any kind of interview, he isn't easy to talk and that's why he does music. Do you wanna hear what he has to say about his religion? Go listen to The Killers "Imploding the Mirage" and "Pressure Machine" albums. Spoiler, he isn't a brainwashed Mormon, he's stative on things about his own faith. Leave that man practice whatever he wants.
EDIT: I'm not Mormon or religious at all so Idc what does he or any of you believe. Just listen to good music and let people find good wherever they think it's worth it. ✨
He may not be easy to talk to but he sure is easy to look at. My goodness!
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Thank you for saying this. I believe we get a really bad rap because people don’t understand us and what we really believe. I respect anyone and whatever they choose to be or not be. By the way I would say most of us aren’t “brainwashed” Now if you’re talking about the FLDS that’s another story. We are LDS and we are completely separate.
Bruh we aren't brainwashed, I believe by choice
@@hgm26 bro we're not a cult, do some research, if your not a member or someone that's been educated a long time then your just assuming a lot with that statement, you probably don't even actually know what we beleive
Terrible to attack a mans personal faith when he's there to promote his rock bands album. Agree or disagree with Dawkins take on things it was horrible to insult Flowers like that. Don't think he signed up for a religious debate before going on that show. Imagine a man or woman on a show promoting a cookbook and someone randomly attacking his/her sexuality. Terrible conduct. I'm a fan of a Dawkins but this was nasty.
There's important context missing, look it up
He apologized right after.
It's mormonism, nothing to respect
@@blackout07blueis the apology on video? Is there evidence? Please show me.
@@GwladYrHafjust search the interview don't be lazy. He apologizes 3 times along the lines of "I didn't know you were supposed to leave"
He Is there for His music!
Well skavlan himself said that he made them both come so they could argue
I here for Dawkins. 😂
Brandon Flowers is an amazing vocalist.
It certainly doesn't show here.
Brandon 👍🙏💕Peace for you and your family
I'm not religious but what is the point of destroying this young man's religious beliefs? From a personal perspective I would only do it out of jealousy. This kid believes in and takes comfort in a higher power, and I don't have the capacity to do that. Why should I shit on the beliefs that bring him happiness?
❤👏🙌 maybe because you’re a decent fucking human being who respects other people’s differences from your own because you know life is deeper than this superficial argumentative and useless dialogue that yields very little results whatsoever and just gets people upset for no reason.
One has the right to openly criticize beliefs that entail claiming to know things that one can’t possibly know. Also, religion affects others, always has. The sooner we can rid ourselves of it, the better
@@fizzmoe9846 you are going to be very surprised one day
@@BuscaLoEsencial I’m surprised everyday. If you’re referring to being surprised about a creator actually existing, then I doubt it, but it’s possible. And even if there were a creator, I would sooner worship a dog than a god. Especially a god as egotistical and tyrannical as the god of Abraham.
You are very arrogant to pretend to know what you do not and cannot know.
@@fizzmoe9846 I know because he is inside ny heart. And he is not egotistical or tyrannical at all. He has literally died for me.
He's caught in the crossfire here but if you read his mind hes only human and free to his own beliefs
So are children with santa. I can believe that my dogs a dragon but its Still childish and foundless.
Do your research... 😂" I think I have".... his wit never dissapoints
"Do your research" Great advice. Just read it.
The book of Mormon changed my life.
The Killers are not a Mormon band! Brandon had to explain that they are secular hahaha.
That’s not the way people ‘talked ‘ in the 19th century or did you mean ‘spoke’ in the 19th century. Also convicted? Convicted by whom ? Presumably institutions with their own deep rooted beliefs.
All I know is that the killers rock!
Tells a career researcher to do his research.
Well, when he gets it wrong as many do, it is to be expected.
Brandon was correct. He wasn’t a convicted criminal. He also was stating that Dawkins didn’t read the entire book. You should do your research
@@williampope2487he was. We literally have his arrest record
Anyone can be arrested. Doesn’t mean he was convicted
Actually the interviewer should have informed him why he was there. It's not the job of the interviewee to do the research it's is the job of the interviewer
Ok, but, can Dawkins write a hit song in the keyboard B-flat?
The problem with being attacked is person attacking is always prepared and the person attacked is often caught off guard and not in a mind set to debate. Like this case where Brandon came to talk music. The truth is that the Book of Mormon was translated into English. If I wanted to translate the word ‘place’ and chose ‘site’ or ‘location’ Dawkins would say I’ve done it wrong and this the entire book is false. Sometimes intelligence is your own worst enemy.
Carry on Brandon. You’re fine.
You can’t “translate” a book by sticking your head in a hat and making stuff up.
Agree completely. Weasel Dawkins chaffing up and prepping for weeks. Go against someone who does it on the other side Dawkins, total clown
I thought that The Killers were there for a rock performance, not to debate faith.🤷🏻♀️
You’re right, Mr. Flowers should stay in his lane. 🎶
You're are right actually. Dawkins was actually embarrassed and apologised to Brandon when he realised that he was there to just promote the band. That's why Dawkins seemed overly aggressiv. The host should have clarified this to Richard.
I'm a Muslim but Brandon was there to promote their new album not to be questioned for his faith. He is a humble man and it's not like he was shoving his religion on others or causing harm to anyone. He was just minding his own business. They stupidly asked him on his faith the WHOLE interview and wasted his time and he didn't even talk a single minute of the album. What boggles me is that people in the original comment section of the video clown Brandon for stuttering and defending his faith but don't clown Richard for debating on faith on an interview supposed to be about music.
@@vegitoda4738 Did you watch the video? Brandon Flowers was asked his opinion and gave it. He voluntarily entered the conversation.
@@Burps___ Well ofc if he was asked he had to oblige. That doesn't change the fact that he was there for promotion of his album NOT for a debate. Why even being up his religion?And you need to see Brandon's interview after this where he said that he didn't know he was gonna be questioned about his religion and that he made some good points but they cut it out. And why even have a debate with a normal follower rather than a priest/preacher who knows more about the religion and can make his point of view clear?
Even Christ was convicted as a charlatan. That is no proof for or against his Godly nature
I don’t agree with Mormonism, and what Dawkins said her may in fact be very true, but he comes off as a pompous ass in this conversation. I feel second-hand embarrassment for Dawkins here since it’s kinda like watching a boxer mistake the referee as his opponent. Brandon was there to discuss his music, and Dawkins came in belligerently attacking him.
Did you happen to know if Dawkins knew beforehand?
He didn't attack him he said Mormonism is based on made up book written by a convicted charlatan. Just facts.
If he came to see Dawkins he wasn’t there to talk about his music. 😂 He knew who this man is. It’s sad that in this day and age with the information we have today some still cling to dogma. I understand in poor strict countries like the Middle East because they haven’t had the education of western nations. I, like Dawkins am tired of it. Look what these evangelical nuts are doing in America today.
The Mormons I have met and made friendships with amaze me with their work ethic and generosity of spirit.
They certainly count their blessings every day.
What’s that got to do with the point of the video?
@@samuelljayy6705 probably a Mormon just projecting
even nice People can be victims and probably more so to be taken advantage of by some profit making church or organisation.
Who said they didnt?
The moment they start regurgitating their doctrine they are con men and party to all the damage that cult has caused to humanity. Organized religion is the greatest evil enacted upon mankind.
Telling Richard Dawkins to ‘do his research’ is hilarious. He’s spent his whole life researching!
Researching what though? He should research ultracrepidarianism, just cuz he studied one field doesn't mean he can declare himself the definitive source of truth on whatever topic he spends a few hours Googling. For example he went on Joe Rogan and was surprised to learn at what age Joseph saw God and Christ, something any 10 year old practicing member would know off the top of their head.
@@lukehanson_ Joseph Smith was a convicted con man, he actually died in prison. Flowers obviously didn't know that!
"His whole life doing research" and he still got it wrong.
@@lukehanson_ Which account of the first vision are you using as your source? lol
Joseph Smith was a con man and changed his story multiple times regarding what happened, who appeared to him and what they told him. The church has basically taken those accounts and gone with an amalgamation of the 4.
It also doesn't matter what age Joseph Smith claimed to have had the first vision. That's not what they're discussing. He's referencing Joseph Smith's criminal history. He was convicted of deceiving people as a treasure hunter.
Your argument is like saying you can't be an expert on the OJ murder trial unless you know at what age he learned to ride a bike. You can have an extensive knowledge of one without knowing the other.
@@Scotter4536 incorrect. The age of Joseph Smith is part of the story, therefore why I said a 10 year old latter day saint would know. If you don't know something a 10 year old did know about the faith, you probably shouldn't claim expertise.
It's funny you hold up the criminal justice system as a good metric to determine a person's moral character in the same paragraph you use the OJ trail as an example. Also, which court case are you referring to Joseph Smith being convicted of being a con man?
Bro looks like matpat
Richard Dawkins looks like if you left an onion inside your shower for a month then smeared monkey feces onto it tbh
@@perunproductions9126 rare insults
Or should you say MatPat looks like Brandon Flowers...? 🤔
People making fun of Mormonism as if any other religion is any less suspect.
Plenty are? Like, way less suspect? And I don't believe any of them, but certainly Mornonism highly suspect and ridiculous to even the casual researcher on the subject
I understand why you may think that, however, once you understand the doctrines and tenets of most mainstream religions, there are very clear divisions between Mormonism and other religions. Indeed they share plenty of commonalities but Mormonism is an extremely new, modern religion -- its roots aren't shrouded in historical uncertainties like Christianity for example, whose books have been selected, curated, and modified by powerful people through the ages (ie. King James Bible). Like Richard says, it's quite clearly a 19th century creation.
It's much easier to critically assess Mormon claims about reality, as we have access to far more verifiable information due to its recency. We can also critically assess Joseph, his life and his motives. Mormons make historical claims about North America, historical figures who supposedly lived here hundreds or thousands of years ago -- which are easily debunked by science.
Submit to Christ dude
@@thomaseast2842 Exactly! You can't just pull stuff out of the Bible and make your own Bible, religion and become a prophet. The Church of Latter-day Saints Mormons are a cult and if you don't abid by what they say and do then you'll be excommunicated. I know some that have. God is very merciful and nobody is allowed to say who can and can't worship him in his house.
Atleast his eyes seem teary and sad, and not full of vengeance.
I'm atheist and I find this attitude obnoxious. Leave the guy alone. If it helps him be a good person what is it to you?
An atheist naked Jesus. Hahaha
He’s on a show deliberately to talk to this guy and give his opinion. Leave the guy alone? What are you, his mother?
@@ope7092 good point. A person's religion can't be challenged and yet the same religion will stand candidates for election.
@Leidolfr I'd say "weren't". Might I ask what would be wrong about being a bad person becoming a good person through books? Religion or not?
Yeah I'm sure you are an atheist. Jesus
Let peole believe what they want. Does it hurt anyone?
it might
Sometimes.
Bewhere of Angels preaching ANOTHER gospel!!
To be honest I was so surprised when I found out Brandon was a Mormon I had no idea
I mistakenly read it as Moron and thought how rude of the uploader to call someone that. Found out it's a religion of sorts.
@@dineshsharma6125 lol
@@dineshsharma6125 same I didnt know it was name or religion lmao
If someone’s faith is truly firm and strong, they should be less likely to feel offended by opposing views or criticisms. Getting easily offended might indicate insecurity or a lack of confidence in their faith.
Who okay'd this? Why would they draw a singer/songwriter into a debate with Dawkins?
He was just there to sing lmao but atheists always looking for a argument cringeee
Anyone who has a belief should be completely open to have someone doubt their ideas. Theres nothing to fear with doubt,it could lead you to the truth. Doubt is bad if it leads to crushing your original ideas.
Why in the world is Brandon Flowers debating Dawkins? 🤨
Of course it is a scam. Similar to every other religion/cult
Just read it
I love you Brandon❤
“…well, I think I have…”
Boom. Game over.
“You should do your research.” Mic drop!
If the book of mormon was so fake why did God make it float up and out of orbit of earth's gravitational pull and then send it through space back into heaven ? Answer me that!
lol
For the same reason God did that to the original Bible / Quran manuscripts.
Telling Dawkins to ‘do your research’ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ i do respect Brandon keeping his response polite and respectful, it’s obviously hard for him to hear such a harsh pov
Brandon is such a agreeable gentleman. This limey on the other hand...
According to South Park the Mormons were right
Who put these two together? lol
Brandon is such a talented cutie who just wants to make good rock music. The whole show was wrong for letting Dawkins and the others attack Brandon's religion like that, especially since Brandon was not prepared for the onslaught. geez louise.
So if I came to you and told you I seriously believed in hobbitism , and that the the great gandalf instructed all hobbits that questing was the most honourable acts they could partake, and u would say but Ur not a hobbit and I said but I am a hobbitist, I believe man derived from hobbits which is why some men have large feet , some men are small but not all...gandalf was great and instructed all and there's much we can learn from his teachings of hobbits...you would surely say what a complete lot of nonsense , how on earth could you believe that as a religious doctrine...it's no different.
Flowers was there to promote the new album at the time and Dawkins was told it was a debate of some sorts. No wonder Flowers looks and sounds confused
Even the Bible was a collection of books rewritten and put together for a modern take. This doesn’t make them “fakes” by default. There’s this little thing called “context” and “nuance”.
Please go to Saudi Arabia and tell them that about the Koran. See how that goes.
I am religious and to this day think this is one of the top 15 funniest things I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. The look of rage and anger in Flowers’ face (if you watch the full clip) gets me every time.
A testimony of God is not one you prove in the laboratory it’s done through the Holy Ghost if you don’t believe that’s fine but I cannot prove it to you and you cannot disprove it for me we all have to have that revelation made to ourselves. Mormon here, now have at it.
Dawkins is still learning
Matt patt?
The way he preforms he can believe what he wants, he's brilliant.
Some people just like all the woke ppl,
You could scream at the top of your lungs obvious truths, but they will deny it no matter how clear it is. It’s very sad.
Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
"I Neverrrrrrr!🎵🎶"
Can I say this the Quran & Bible 😂
Not really because whether you dispute them or not they were atleast written in the language and time that they were from
@@Nozarash1 you can easily dispute the Quran, it was put together 300 years after Muhammed died by hundreds of different people coming together and attempting to recount generational stories. That's not very good system for factual accuracy. Then on top of that you have the overwhelming plaguerism from other cultures and Christianity and Judaism.
Christianity is a plaguerism of Judaism, for example the Jewish tribes used to send a goat loaded with "the sins of the tribe" into the desert to die. This is the origin of the word scapegoating, and pretty much the premise of Jesus. Judaism itself arose out of a polytheism, and was but one sect of a diverse religion with many gods.
@@jdkhaos4983 actually the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago and it’s in it’s original Arabic txt never been changed. There is carbon copies that are in Birmingham.
As for the Bible there are 70 different bibles. And it’s not in the original Aramaic text. The earliest Bible would be the Greek version
Yes, easily. The Bible and Quran were not written in English. The Book of Mormon was written in the language the writers spoke; reformed Egyptian. Then later it was translated into English by Joseph Smith.
Guessing that The Killers won't be covering the South Park song about Joseph Smith anytime soon. Shame they could probably do a rockin' version of it...
So many people live in an unfortunate fantasy world.
Reality can only exist with knowledge, especially of physics.
ahhhh did the little boy get offended. grow up Brandon tulip
Denial playbook: Ask for specifics when the criticism is general or broad in scope….. Then deny specifics when they are presented saying they don’t represent the general… Repeat until end of time
That reporter was so rude to Brandon who is honestly practicing his faith.
And then he says “When I read the BOM… *whispers* I didn’t read it all….” What a joke lol. He thinks he’s done research after reading 1 page?
Read the witnesses testimony even the main three witnesses (Oliver kowdery, Martin Harris and David Whitmer)that and even to their deaths, never recanted their testimonies of the book being real and from God.
One does not need to read much or even any of the Book of Mormon to know that it's charlatanry.
Judging a book by it's cover tells you what's in the book?
@@geraldcroft9020 Do you think that that is a good way of determining truth? Just because someone sticks to a story doesn't make it true.
Also, Martin Harris even said that he nor any of the other 3 or 8 witness actually viewed the plates physically. He said they were viewed through their "spiritual" eyes in a vision or imagination and that they were reluctant to sign the witness.
This comes from the Church's own source, the Joseph Smith Papers, Letterbook 2, page 64.
The Church's history isn't as well put together as sunday school manuals would have you believe.
@@hgm26 you just made my point they did leave the church, but they never denied what they saw, think about it
Let the TRUTH offend what it will and everyone else's lifeless opinions fall to the wayside.
Leave Brandon flowers alone....He is a kind and great artist. That is his personal faith and please respect him.
I'm not religious but I've never understood the need for atheists to go and attack people's faith. Let people believe what they want to believe, gosh.
There’s a difference between attacking a person’s faith and pointing out things that are quite clearly not true.
It also gets worse when religion gets permission to behave VERY badly without any social repercussion.
If my belief can't withstand attack, then either I or my belief is stupid.
So, their faith is weak, and cannot withstand differing perspectives?
I found gold plates. I lost those gold plates.
Wow! I'm something between atheist and agnostic. I don't care about his religion, i know he is mormon and i don't care.
I love his music with The Killers and solos, i respect him a lot.
Well it was insulting is Brandon going to leave his religious community and abandon his faith because of that guy though? I doubt it. I actually really like how Brandon has mentioned Johnny Cash and Elvis singing Gospel too and did they need to be insulted about it? All his years in Vegas I imagine Brandon seeing many Elvis impersonators and thinking oh so just wear a flashy jacket and sing people like that and now he's older than Elvis when he died doesn't pop pills isn't overweight not a womanizer so I think he does whatever works for him.
Aaawh.....poor Brandon! LOL....telling RD to do his homework....LOL
Dawkins was confused and thought this was a debate, he apologized afterwards.
The real idiot is who posted this whiteout context.
Immediately became Mr. Darkside 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh Brandon.
Look up chiasmus in the Book of Mormon and then have this discussion
I did..it's shit
@@ChillyBruh nice
The Book of Mormon is a true book of scripture and has more than just Chiasmus that prove its authenticity.
im not at all a religious person, i dont follow any deity, but seriously, if he read like 1 page or a few passages, do some damn research, and dont go to a mormon to disprove their beliefs, i dont blame brandon at all for telling dawkings to do research, i would do the same thing if i were religious, i would get defensive, because it's something i can believe in and you dont. this is just an example, but i think you get my point
Looked like he was gonna cry
You’re offended? So what?
Joseph Smith, not guilty.
Well.... we can not change how people think themselves over and over again... being the smartest guy in all his glory. But i think the saying is true....
"A smartest person in the world is the greatest ignorant and dumbest person forever"...
I mean Joseph Smith was ran out of one state for being a con man. That statement is historically valid
He was run out of the state because people didn't like his religion. The same thing happened to the Christians after Christ died during the Roman empire.
@@Iceman20102010 He used his fake religion to leverage people, especially men and their wives. Christianity isn’t a cult, story’s have been proven to be historical. Everything from the Book of Mormon is a bunch of made up nonsense 😂 you can see it in the way they govern the church today, they change policies left and right to benefit their pocket book. Pretty suspicious when the organization runs like a business I mean they’re one of the biggest funding groups for big pharma
Ive done no research, but you should do your research... Dumbest thing ive heard this month.
Deer in the headlights.
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
The guys nearly crying he can't handle the truth
We have done our research 😅
He should’ve walked off 😮
That's a pretty embarrassing point to hang your whole argument on.
A Michigan fan and atheist I’m torn
Bro is offended because someone spoke the truth 😂
Dawkins was right, the book of Mormon is hilariously bad.😂😂😂
The difference is that Dawkins has actually read this tripe and can dismantle its ridiculousness. This fella has basically just been brought up as a morman and won’t believe it’s anything but true as mommy and daddy and the rest of the surrounding misguided simpletons believe it.
I had to leave the Mormon church because the Pearl of great price drawings claiming to be Abraham are almost certainly from the book of breathings or Egyptian funeral rites…. It’s sad… the Mormon culture has so many great things… religion really does a lot to unify and help humans, but I can’t follow a lie.
Brandon being a gentleman
Dawkins being a knob
Don't think he came off very well to the public on that one
Dawkins offends me by breathing.
It's his perogative, what religion he wants to follow.Being backed into a corner because his beliefs don't match up with the person surprising him into a debate is a pretty shitty thing to do,is it not?Yes, there are aggresive bullies in that church, but you'll find a bully in any religion. It always seems to be this way, if you're a bully, you radar in on the awkward person so you can feel more powerful. Brandon Flowers is more of an awkward introvert, and you dont see him trying to force people into his religion. He was there for sharing his music, not religious debate.
Brandon makes great music. Thats pretty much what I and many many others care about.
Dawkins is not very smart. True, it is not how people in those days talked, but it is how they read in those days.The Bible was available at the time the Book of Mormon was translated. So it only makes sense that another book of scripture was written in Old English the same way the Bible was at that time.
It's not Richard Dawkins the one who offended Brandon Flowers. He did it to himself.
You tell him Brandon
Offending people is wrong.
You are offending me.
@@Noa...... , I'm not offending you, nor am I offended by this video. I'm just saying that I think offending others is wrong.
Same as all religions
It was uncalled for , he was there to sing . One of the best underrated bands
So, he’s a delusional singer.
Listen to the whole clip. This is selective and you've been baited and took the hook.
@@norwegianzound I've seen it , Richard even apologized because he didn't know he was just there to perform and Richard was taking up time . Maybe Richard thought he was there for a religious debate
@@bobmusil1458 nope
@@vvx600 All Mormons are delusional.
In fact Mormonism is the only religion where we can actually prove that the founder was a conman.