@@OShackHennessyWell said. So many people trying to justify that abomination of 8gb ram in a premium laptop in 2024 by saying “ it’s enough for light users and most people using MacBook Air are basic users”. It’s not that it’s not enough for this, the problem is that we’re talking about a 1000$ laptop that is good for browsing and Netflix and listening to UA-cam and maybe some light work. You can do that if you want ….. if you just have shit ton of money and you don’t care… cool. For every other “ light user” …. Get a cheaper machine that will fit your needs for half the price, or a second hand Mac for half the price.
Thankfully I thought thrice and ended up getting the 16gb RAM. I'm a moderate user and I think choosing this can save me later on from potential performance issues.
IMO I reckon the 16GB RAM would be the sweet spot for many moderate users like myself, at least with a MacBook Air. Heavier users of business applications, creative work and university students, and for occasional light photo and video editing. 16GB RAM would also provide some future proofing for those who would be planning on keeping their machines for a longer time and easily worth the $200 investment
You I right about the 16GB being the sweet spot. But you are wrong about it being worth the $200 investment. $200 is WAY too much to spend on adding 8GB of ram. Not worth it. In my opinion, the apple tax of 300% is not worth it.
As stated by the comment above, you are correct on the first point, but to say 200$ for 8gb of memory is justified…. Is ridiculous. It’s a crime to pay that for 8gb extra memory.
yo I can't just buy 16 gb of ram. in my country it's not EVEN CLOSE to a 200$ upgrade. it's around 500$ JUST FOR an EXTRA 8 GB OF RAM. What should I choose ? M3 macbook air 8 gb or a windows laptop ? I make music in FL Studio and simple photoshop / video editing.
@@senseiie got m3 with 8gb, and I don’t have any problems with it. but due to the fact that there is no fan, I feel the laptop throttling during minecraft 🤫
@@nikitaustyansev4759 umm is 8gb and 256gb enough i will be doing college stuff mainly computer programming or to specific coding and i will play game like league of legend and also one more thing how is the battery backup
Very well explained topic and just such pleasant videos. Your voice is soothing and there is no dramatic/theatrical speaking, which is a blessing for my ears. Thank you for your professionalism! And being handsome definitely is in your advantage!
Hi and thank you for this video. On a 13" MBA M3, is there any point in taking 24 GB or 16 GB is enough? And regarding storage capacity, I currently have a mid-2009 MBP with a 256 GB SSD and I have 133 GB free. I multitask with around 20 UA-cam tabs, Excel (files with lots of pages, macros, etc.) and Lightroom. Do I need 512 GB of storage ? Thank you for your insightful responses. Regards.
@@bertrusmcfly7958we will need more ram with AI coming to the scene eventually, but with 16 , and what you’ve described, you should be fine for a few years.
@@sando1948 Thank you for your reply. You are right. I will wait for the tests of the new MBP M4s which have AI, and see if 16 GB is enough or if we need to take more.
Just purchased an M2 macbook air 16gb ram 256 GB ssd. I was just going to go with the base model. But thanks to other videos on UA-cam like yourself now I decided to upgrade the ram. I'm so glad I did! I was so surprised how much ram it was using by just having a few tabs open like music, apple TV, safari! Not even labor intensive apps used like Photoshop. One time it went up to 12gb used up! Its not gone into swap once as that would slow down the machine. So if I had chosen the 8gb ram it would have been such a wrong choice.
macOS is UNIX based, and tries to load up all the programs it think you use regularly. This is one of the ways Apple optimizes speed and battery life of their hardware.
I sold my 16G m1 pro MacBook Pro several days ago, and replaced with 32G M2pro MacBook Pro. I should buy 32G earlier. 16g is not enough for full stack developers.
Hello! I'm trying to understand the CPU and RAM performance. I have an early 2015 macbook pro with 8gb of ram. Ram pressure is always green (5-6 gb of RAM usage), but CPU sometimes hit the 60 percent, mostly when seeing youtube, and get a little laggy. My question is, if 7 years ago, when I bought it, if I had bought it with 16gb of RAM, I would have seen now the diference? I mean, the CPU would go better if I had that 16gb of RAM? Or it's just an CPU thing?
I have no objection to Apple offering an 8GB version as it is obviously the best seller and allows them to discount. I have seen £200 off the base MB Pro 14 M3. The people complaining about having a base 8Gb are self-centred, as many laptop users do not need more. We are not all the same user case. If you need more, buy one with a 16GB minimum; common sense is a valuable asset. I have used an MB Pro 13 M1 for three years and am typing on it now and have no issues. It does all I need without a problem. My flow is office and web-based, so it is not RAM-intensive. Because it was 8GB, I got it for £900 (£350 off in a deal). Apple's business model is how they survive a cut-throat PC market, and that means margins come from people upgrading and allows Apple to tap down lower on the demand curve with discounts. Having a base 16GB model would likely mean price rises all around, defeating the purpose; unintentional consequences. I see 12GB being the base RAM sooner than later, hopefully stopping most of the anti-Apple rants.
They will not drop 8gb models because it's their strategy to have reasonable prices product but the specs suck thus leading customers to higher tier models that cost way too much. Also, you should clarify that by upgrade storage in the future, you mean using cloud or external storage, since ssd is soldered like ram.
7:35 I don't think selecting the $200 ram upgrade will persuade Apple to make it standard on the base models. They are probably very happy to make 20x the price of ram chips off those people.
even 16GB is not enough, right now at this moment doing nothing completely ZERO action no programs only google chrome is running and youtube app and right now writing comment under this video. I have Macbook Pro M3 Pro 18/512GB version and right now Activity Monitor shows me 374MB swap memory, this is nonsense
@@NabilCp4Mac’s are awesome, just get a 32 gb version. The build quality is great, software unmatched, and upgrades are provided for years on end. Look into a MacBook Air with 24gb of ram, or a MBP with 36gb. My m3 max mbp has 36gb and it runs like a dream
@@NabilCp4 frameworks is cool and windows has some nice upgradeable and repairable stuff too, frameworks is still significantly better but windows is still sometimes up there
If nothing else more ram will increase the longevity of the machine. 8gb of ram is fine if you’re doing super basic stuff and upgrade machines every 2 years or so otherwise I would say you need at least 16.
I have the base M1 MB Pro 13 with 8GB/256GB, and I am typing on that now. Three years old and has no slowdowns. I have multiple browser tabs and office-based apps open with plenty of RAM to spare. I suggest your friend cleans their RAM cache daily and restarts every few days. Some websites need to work better with browsers and can eat RAM. Samsung's site and YT is two of the worst and two of Apple's main rivals! Samsung's site can go from 500 MB to 3GB of RAM daily, even when you only look at the site for 10 minutes in the morning.
its $200 in the US but all other countries pay MORE than $300 for that 8gb so yeah because everyone has import tax on electronics... so Apple doesn't care about that obviously Waiting for the m4 lineup sold my m1pro If we don't get good price/setups I am getting myself something else and THAT's IT. :)
The irony that Mac users freak out about swap when we’ve been using swap for decades on Windows and Linux, with Linux even requiring you designate how large the swap partition is to be. Trying to just avoid swap is an overly obsessive task. MacOS manages memory so well that we need to just use our machines. Example: people with 18GB Pro chips complain they get close to swap or even see their machine using swap. Same apps on an 8GB RAM machine may not use as much RAM as the machines with more RAM because MacOS doesn’t just let RAM sit unused. It uses it if available and manages the system around the resources available. Swap isn’t a cry for help. It’s a utilization of resources by intent when RAM is needed for higher priority tasks and is limited in availability. Yes, more RAM is always a great choice. But buying unnecessarily at Apple prices is not wise. Most of us know if we need more RAM and we buy accordingly. It’s when we’re on the fence about it that the pain of more or less gets difficult and I’m pondering it myself right now for a MacBook Air. But after watching how much a base M2 Mac Mini can do with 8GB RAM, my personal photo editing and office tasking probably doesn’t need more RAM until software demands grow that require more. And I do not run Chrome because it’s always been a memory leak issue with horrible memory demands.
After researching, and then buying the refurbished m2 15” mba, with 16gb of ram, It’s more than sufficient for 8k videos if need [ thus future proofing for next 3 years for me ] Anyone who is still on the fence , go for the 16gb ram, with the onslaught of the AI, 8gb is not gonna cut it for daily automation [ using the Shortcut app ] to automate , it really isn’t that slower than the m2p, And its so quiet and light, only down side is the slow non-promotion But at work, which im fortunate enough to use and test all the latest MacBook and other intels, mba IS a safe buy, but 16gb and spec up, But if between 1tb and 16gb, still go with 16gb [ think there was another UA-camr ] who tested the 512gb vs 1tb 16gb still was much “snappier “ But 512gb or even better 1tb will save you headaches for the future, and buying refurbished with CC 0% installments to maximize your wallet during such times is still worth. No its not a gaming device, but rather almost a jack of all trades type of Lambo status
What if i told you that even with 32GB your mac will use swap? I think if you’re on budget yoir beat bet is 16GB your mac won’t lag whatsoever. However if you want more ram and you know that you need it then yea 32GB is fine.
Mac user - I wish I paid a little bit more for 16 G of RAM.
Mac user's definition of a little bit more - $200.
Apple $200 is analogous to $20 for PC
2012 = 8GB
2024 = 8GB.
I honestly think its way pass due for 8GB. even the iPhone 15 (A PHONE) has 8GB now.
It's sooooo stupid. My windows laptop has 32 gigs, it was $400 used and I easily can use up 14gigs just with chrome
An air should have 16gb and a pro 24gb minimum. Anything less is criminal.
what if I am poor?💀
@@JJ-y-r9k then don’t buy an overpriced Mac
@@OShackHennessyWell said. So many people trying to justify that abomination of 8gb ram in a premium laptop in 2024 by saying “ it’s enough for light users and most people using MacBook Air are basic users”.
It’s not that it’s not enough for this, the problem is that we’re talking about a 1000$ laptop that is good for browsing and Netflix and listening to UA-cam and maybe some light work.
You can do that if you want ….. if you just have shit ton of money and you don’t care… cool. For every other “ light user” …. Get a cheaper machine that will fit your needs for half the price, or a second hand Mac for half the price.
Thankfully I thought thrice and ended up getting the 16gb RAM. I'm a moderate user and I think choosing this can save me later on from potential performance issues.
IMO I reckon the 16GB RAM would be the sweet spot for many moderate users like myself, at least with a MacBook Air. Heavier users of business applications, creative work and university students, and for occasional light photo and video editing. 16GB RAM would also provide some future proofing for those who would be planning on keeping their machines for a longer time and easily worth the $200 investment
You I right about the 16GB being the sweet spot. But you are wrong about it being worth the $200 investment. $200 is WAY too much to spend on adding 8GB of ram. Not worth it. In my opinion, the apple tax of 300% is not worth it.
As stated by the comment above, you are correct on the first point, but to say 200$ for 8gb of memory is justified…. Is ridiculous. It’s a crime to pay that for 8gb extra memory.
yo I can't just buy 16 gb of ram. in my country it's not EVEN CLOSE to a 200$ upgrade. it's around 500$ JUST FOR an EXTRA 8 GB OF RAM. What should I choose ? M3 macbook air 8 gb or a windows laptop ? I make music in FL Studio and simple photoshop / video editing.
yeah same question with which model do you went
@@senseiie got m3 with 8gb, and I don’t have any problems with it. but due to the fact that there is no fan, I feel the laptop throttling during minecraft 🤫
@@nikitaustyansev4759 umm is 8gb and 256gb enough i will be doing college stuff mainly computer programming or to specific coding and i will play game like league of legend and also one more thing how is the battery backup
@@senseiie you can buy iCloud if it won't be enough. idk about the league of legends never played, but Minecraft goes fine 2k 100-120 fps.
@@nikitaustyansev4759вот думаю такой же купить стоит?
Very well explained topic and just such pleasant videos. Your voice is soothing and there is no dramatic/theatrical speaking, which is a blessing for my ears.
Thank you for your professionalism! And being handsome definitely is in your advantage!
Great video. Lots of wisdom here. thank you!!!!
Hi and thank you for this video.
On a 13" MBA M3, is there any point in taking 24 GB or 16 GB is enough?
And regarding storage capacity, I currently have a mid-2009 MBP with a 256 GB SSD and I have 133 GB free.
I multitask with around 20 UA-cam tabs, Excel (files with lots of pages, macros, etc.) and Lightroom. Do I need 512 GB of storage ?
Thank you for your insightful responses.
Regards.
16GB ram is more than enough for almost everything unless your some pro video editor that can make full use of the 24 gb ram
@@TheSmilePerson Thank you for your reply. And with Apple Inteligence, don't we need more RAM ?
@@bertrusmcfly7958we will need more ram with AI coming to the scene eventually, but with 16 , and what you’ve described, you should be fine for a few years.
@@sando1948 Thank you for your reply. You are right. I will wait for the tests of the new MBP M4s which have AI, and see if 16 GB is enough or if we need to take more.
If Apple selling 16GB RAM as the base config but with the price it is now, it doesn’t serve any purpose
What? Why?
Just purchased an M2 macbook air 16gb ram 256 GB ssd. I was just going to go with the base model. But thanks to other videos on UA-cam like yourself now I decided to upgrade the ram. I'm so glad I did! I was so surprised how much ram it was using by just having a few tabs open like music, apple TV, safari! Not even labor intensive apps used like Photoshop. One time it went up to 12gb used up! Its not gone into swap once as that would slow down the machine. So if I had chosen the 8gb ram it would have been such a wrong choice.
macOS is UNIX based, and tries to load up all the programs it think you use regularly. This is one of the ways Apple optimizes speed and battery life of their hardware.
Going to get one tommorow!
@@ayushkumargupta100le liya kya bhai kon se store se liya
You got the 256 ssd😢, the base ssd on the M2 is slower
I sold my 16G m1 pro MacBook Pro several days ago, and replaced with 32G M2pro MacBook Pro. I should buy 32G earlier. 16g is not enough for full stack developers.
RAM. Totally agree. 8Gigs is not sufficient. Great video.
200$ more for +8gb is wild in 2024
Hello! I'm trying to understand the CPU and RAM performance. I have an early 2015 macbook pro with 8gb of ram. Ram pressure is always green (5-6 gb of RAM usage), but CPU sometimes hit the 60 percent, mostly when seeing youtube, and get a little laggy. My question is, if 7 years ago, when I bought it, if I had bought it with 16gb of RAM, I would have seen now the diference? I mean, the CPU would go better if I had that 16gb of RAM? Or it's just an CPU thing?
Should I get a MBP M3 Pro base model with 18GB RAM or a MBP M3 with 24GB RAM?
for what purposes is it needed?
ill defo get m3 pro its like 1699 on places like bestbuy and amazon
My Asus rog phone 8 pro that I snagged second hand, brand new for $870 has twice as much ram (and storage) than the base model mac book.
I have no objection to Apple offering an 8GB version as it is obviously the best seller and allows them to discount. I have seen £200 off the base MB Pro 14 M3. The people complaining about having a base 8Gb are self-centred, as many laptop users do not need more. We are not all the same user case.
If you need more, buy one with a 16GB minimum; common sense is a valuable asset. I have used an MB Pro 13 M1 for three years and am typing on it now and have no issues. It does all I need without a problem. My flow is office and web-based, so it is not RAM-intensive. Because it was 8GB, I got it for £900 (£350 off in a deal).
Apple's business model is how they survive a cut-throat PC market, and that means margins come from people upgrading and allows Apple to tap down lower on the demand curve with discounts. Having a base 16GB model would likely mean price rises all around, defeating the purpose; unintentional consequences. I see 12GB being the base RAM sooner than later, hopefully stopping most of the anti-Apple rants.
They will not drop 8gb models because it's their strategy to have reasonable prices product but the specs suck thus leading customers to higher tier models that cost way too much. Also, you should clarify that by upgrade storage in the future, you mean using cloud or external storage, since ssd is soldered like ram.
why you didn't go for a 16GB M1 macbook air ? They are the same price as m2 and the cpu performance are almost identical
Do you know how you can clear swap without turning off your MacBook? On Linux it was swapoff -a ; swapon -a
could you please do a comparison between 18 vs 36gb ram m3 pro?
7:35 I don't think selecting the $200 ram upgrade will persuade Apple to make it standard on the base models.
They are probably very happy to make 20x the price of ram chips off those people.
Ram, However.. we really should be using more even lunix users have a basic 16gb on daily machines..
2:29 bro, just dont use Chrome ...
Apple won't move to a new base level of RAM until forced and even then it will only be to 12GB.
RAM. Good video and well explained. In the past I'd only ever upgrade hard drive space but I find more use from RAM upgrades.
even 16GB is not enough, right now at this moment doing nothing completely ZERO action no programs only google chrome is running and youtube app and right now writing comment under this video. I have Macbook Pro M3 Pro 18/512GB version and right now Activity Monitor shows me 374MB swap memory, this is nonsense
So should I get an Upgradeable windows laptop?
@@NabilCp4Mac’s are awesome, just get a 32 gb version. The build quality is great, software unmatched, and upgrades are provided for years on end. Look into a MacBook Air with 24gb of ram, or a MBP with 36gb.
My m3 max mbp has 36gb and it runs like a dream
Swap is completely normal, even windows does it. Your mac with 16GB will serve you just fine.
@@NabilCp4 frameworks is cool and windows has some nice upgradeable and repairable stuff too, frameworks is still significantly better but windows is still sometimes up there
@@jonathanmabiala5541It isn't. It means your os is using its ssd to compensate for the limited ram. Your ssd will die sooner than usual.
If nothing else more ram will increase the longevity of the machine. 8gb of ram is fine if you’re doing super basic stuff and upgrade machines every 2 years or so otherwise I would say you need at least 16.
RAM. Love the video! Can you do a tesla update with your fav features and games to play?
My friend have m1 air 8 gb it’s baaad , cant working with excel and browser!!
I have the base M1 MB Pro 13 with 8GB/256GB, and I am typing on that now. Three years old and has no slowdowns. I have multiple browser tabs and office-based apps open with plenty of RAM to spare. I suggest your friend cleans their RAM cache daily and restarts every few days. Some websites need to work better with browsers and can eat RAM. Samsung's site and YT is two of the worst and two of Apple's main rivals! Samsung's site can go from 500 MB to 3GB of RAM daily, even when you only look at the site for 10 minutes in the morning.
It’s basic math, 8gb is not equivalent to 16gb as apple declared.
$16000 later you have a functional computer!
its $200 in the US but all other countries pay MORE than $300
for that 8gb so yeah
because everyone has import tax on electronics...
so Apple doesn't care about that obviously
Waiting for the m4 lineup sold my m1pro
If we don't get good price/setups I am getting myself something else and THAT's IT. :)
The irony that Mac users freak out about swap when we’ve been using swap for decades on Windows and Linux, with Linux even requiring you designate how large the swap partition is to be. Trying to just avoid swap is an overly obsessive task. MacOS manages memory so well that we need to just use our machines. Example: people with 18GB Pro chips complain they get close to swap or even see their machine using swap. Same apps on an 8GB RAM machine may not use as much RAM as the machines with more RAM because MacOS doesn’t just let RAM sit unused. It uses it if available and manages the system around the resources available. Swap isn’t a cry for help. It’s a utilization of resources by intent when RAM is needed for higher priority tasks and is limited in availability.
Yes, more RAM is always a great choice. But buying unnecessarily at Apple prices is not wise. Most of us know if we need more RAM and we buy accordingly. It’s when we’re on the fence about it that the pain of more or less gets difficult and I’m pondering it myself right now for a MacBook Air. But after watching how much a base M2 Mac Mini can do with 8GB RAM, my personal photo editing and office tasking probably doesn’t need more RAM until software demands grow that require more. And I do not run Chrome because it’s always been a memory leak issue with horrible memory demands.
Apple employee detected
@@zenvultra *CEO
RAM - love the video
After researching, and then buying the refurbished m2 15” mba, with 16gb of ram,
It’s more than sufficient for 8k videos if need [ thus future proofing for next 3 years for me ]
Anyone who is still on the fence , go for the 16gb ram, with the onslaught of the AI, 8gb is not gonna cut it for daily automation [ using the Shortcut app ] to automate , it really isn’t that slower than the m2p,
And its so quiet and light, only down side is the slow non-promotion
But at work, which im fortunate enough to use and test all the latest MacBook and other intels, mba IS a safe buy, but 16gb and spec up,
But if between 1tb and 16gb, still go with 16gb [ think there was another UA-camr ] who tested the 512gb vs 1tb
16gb still was much “snappier “
But 512gb or even better 1tb will save you headaches for the future, and buying refurbished with CC 0% installments to maximize your wallet during such times is still worth.
No its not a gaming device, but rather almost a jack of all trades type of Lambo status
Do you think 32 GB Ram is necessary?
What if i told you that even with 32GB your mac will use swap? I think if you’re on budget yoir beat bet is 16GB your mac won’t lag whatsoever. However if you want more ram and you know that you need it then yea 32GB is fine.
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Apple's justification for 8GB RAM is 100% reality distortion field type stuff
I love how he switches from british-sounding to american-sounding for a split second every ten seconds….
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