Hogue Freedom Fighter Pin File down demo
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- I received a lot of requests for a demo of me filling down the Hogue freedom Fighter Pin. I know for most people this is pretty straight forward but I can appreciate people who want a tutorial for every step of the way. This video should answer any questions you've had about how to approach the situation. Good Luck.
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If you do break the thicker of the two drill bits, the length between the tip of the bit and the stopper is exactly 1-1/8”.
Go old school: Get yourself a #29 drill bit (3.454-millimeter drill bit), measure exactly 1-1/8” from the tip, and wrap a piece of electric tape around the bit at that exact spot to stop you from drilling past it.
I have drill stop collars from a woodworking supply place that work better than tape.
But do you use a drill press for this? Seems iffy trying to drill that far into the lower by hand while trying to ensure the correct angle.
@@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo it comes with a jig to ensure the correct angle
Thank you for posting this video on filling down the hogue freedom fighter pin. I filled mine down and I can now clear a malfunction with the rifle still being CA compliant.
Thank you so much for your video. I was sent a large bushing that did not have a thick top and ended up going all the way through. I thought I was screwed. I will tap the whole thing as suggested! This video really helped alot.
I think LWRC uses the Hogue setup with Juggernaught rear takedown.
cool that is similar to what I have seen with my brothers Juggernaut AR15's as well. I know my friends LWRC is older and had an issue when it came down to installing the Hogue pin
@@arisnersissian5374 the factory installed Juggernaut kits replace the mil spec bolt catch with a different mechanism, so you have to remove that and install a new bolt catch to take advantage of the Hogue kit. Well worth the trouble of the roll pin to do so, juggernaut button with the hogue kit shaved down is definitely the best system I've tried. Glad to see that's how LWRC is shipping rifles. I'd have a hard time believing a juggernaut lower would have come with the hogue system installed, unless he bought it used.
@@hbouldin1216have you tried any of the ar maglock gens?
@@HyphyStrykeI have not. Did a ton of research and once you get over the fear of drilling into your lower, the hogue is definitely the way to go. It’s the only system that will allow you to break the action with the bolt back (if you file it down as this video shows). The maglocks require the bolt to be released to break the action, which adds another step
The gen4 with the kingpin will also let you accomplish this... i think.... pretty sure look it up @@HyphyStryke
AWESOME VIDEOS- I appreciate your time and effort putting these together. I also appreciate the folks leaving comments and questions, it provides a lot of information for us newbies trying to get our stuff compliant.
he has never had a malfunction... he is, the most interesting man in the world
I use the same setup. Kingpin and houge freedom fighter is the best setup in my opinion. How do you get AR pistol in California?
If you scratch your lower just use some aluminum black. I have the paint stick, but actually blending with black is better.
I want to get this Hogue kit to go with my Juggernaut rear pin, but am afraid of drilling the hole at a wrong angle into my lower. Looks like the best solution though.
You don’t have to worry about messing up the angle. The kit comes with a jig to help get the right angle.
It’s better to just take the pin out and file the bottom imo. Prevents blemishing anything in your lower and getting metal shavings in your FCG. Also looks better when you’re done & won’t look tampered with. Just my $.02
@@ObsceneLobsteror take it to a gunsmith but same bruh i wanna do it my self but knowing me I will mess up lmao
Will the setup work with an ambi bolt release
as long as it's a Milspec lower, I know some brands have custom lowers to accommodate for a proprietary ambi bolt release such as LWRC. I have worked on one and had to do a bit of outside the box thinking to get it to work. So it's possible but I would make sure to take a look at the path the hole is being drilled before actually going through with it. I have Phase 5/BAD lever ambi bolt release on my milspec lower and have no problems.
Do you have instructions and parts list for installing kingpin? The stock ca Franklin armory doesn’t have a castle nut. You just buy carbine buffer tube? How hard was it to remove stock buffer tube?
Stock buffer tube took a bit of elbow grease, and I used a heat gun. I tried to use pipe grips but ended up shredding them due to the texture on the CA7 buffer tube. The buffer tube you see on the pistol came with the stabilizing brace. As for instruction on the kingpin I think there are some videos online on how to install them.
If you can’t remove the back plate, use a small screw driver to depress the detent enough to remove the old takedown pin and install the king pin. I’ve seen tools on Brownell’s as well to depress detents.
Heat gun no issues
Mine won’t stop the mag release and I followed Hogue’s guide on drilling… seems like it doesnt go all the way down
the pin has a long side and short, have you made sure you are screwing down the long side down?
@@arisnersissian5374 yep long side is down with the spring
Did you have any trouble with drilling your Franklin armory lower? I drilled mine using the jig and it drilled through the side wall of the lower. I jb weld it and tried adjusting the angle to move over to the right some and it won’t budge. I even test fitted it on my other lowers and it still looks like the jig is out of place and will drill through the side wall. Any suggestion or help would be appreciated.
If the jig is fitting in properly this shouldn't happen. You should be able to push it in and hear a click. I would maybe contact Hogue and replace your jig if you think it may be off alignment. Also are you using the bit provided? with the stopper? I had tried to drill without it once and ended up drilling through the bottom, I was able to fix it by using the one of the screws provided and loctite to fill the hole on the bottom.
@@arisnersissian5374 I’m not able to lock the front with my retaining pin but I just use a clamp and clamp it in place. Everything sits flush. I’ve only drilled my Franklin but I put the jig on 2 of my other lowers and it still appears to be too much to the left to where I would drill away some of the sidewall of the lower. Kinda sucks cause I have another lower that already came with the hogue freedom fighter and I love it. It’s a lot better than the AR maglock. Guess I might have to use that on this one though
@@dankshots760 Interesting, honestly wouldn't risk messing up another lower. If it was me I'd just order another jig or maybe try to contact Hogue to see if they will refund or replace the one you bought.
Great demo. What version/generation kingpin are you using in this video?
as far as I'm aware there is only one kingpin...the AR Maglock which I'm not using has different gens.
Interesting, I didn’t have to shave the pin down at all. It works perfectly with the kingpin. I installed on 3 different Lowers. It even works on the ambi bolt release lowers. Just remember to remove the ambi button and spring before drilling otherwise you will damage the ambi spring that actuates the button. Tip: Follow the instructions. If you follow it 100% you can have it done simple. The large drill bit comes with a ring stop to keep you from over drilling. Secure the lower in the vice and clamp the jig to the lower with hand vice plastic ones. The drilling part is the easiest . I honestly don’t see how you can mess it up. Take your time and get all metal shavings out and debur the hole by running the drill bit in and out multiple times. Don’t forget to lube the drill bits and 5 turns is all you really need with the 8-32 tap . The instructions says 4 turns but 5 gets the set screw in a little deeper so you don’t have to shave the pin. Should just work with the king pin . I’m able to lock the bolt back and push king pin and release mag. No shaving necessary.
Also before putting the jig on the lower be sure to have your take down pin pushed in. If you are unsure about your lower you can use the tap guide and shine a flashlight down the hole with the jig installed and you will see a light circle. If you can see 90% of the circle being shined on the lower receiver then you are good to go and start drilling. Drill fast okay.
Once you finish the install you never have to remove it. If you want to go back to being free then loosen the mag release button 2 to 3 turns and you’re back to hell yea mode! That’s all.
The set screw may make the pin recessed more but it will stick out that much further in the mag release slot thus further impeding the path of the mag release button. The tolerances between your BCG and buffer tube is what will determine if you need to shave the pin or not. Unless they have thousands of rounds through them and are well worn in they’re generally going to be really tight unless it’s a really low budget build.
Im having trouble with my pin no compressing after installing the AR Maglock. Any suggestions? Cant find a video about this pin being stiff or stuck up
Which pin? Do you mean the Hogue freedom fighter kit?
@@arisnersissian5374 Its actually the Hell Fighter Kit. Bought a complete JT-15 and working on modifications. Im working on using the steel file but was curious why it wasn’t compressing.
@orlandomabry2584 doesn't thr JT -15 come with the kit installed? If you installed it, maybe take the pin out and see if you dropped it in the long way down(which it should be) if it's a fit issue you have have to clean up the drilled hole a bit. If it's neither than I would try a tiny amount of gun oil?. Again hard to troubleshoot
@@arisnersissian5374 i have the hellfighter and want to add a bolt release and have the bolt stay locked back, i wish they would disclose that info before cuz it sucks ass, also having the issue with the bolt not clearing my follower. so what seems to be the best solution? can i run the hogue and the hellfighter button? sorry this is my first ar build and this confused me lol
Hi there.
Many thanks for great explanation.
Just wondering if is this kit legal in CALIFORNIA
Also is tapping and drilling the lower to install this kit permitted by law.
Thanks.
What it be a good idea to do a pilot drill? If so any size recommendations?
I would not do that, what you can do is drill it for 1 sec to scuff the lower and see where the hole will end up. As long as it's not damaging the cavity of the lower you're fine. I followed the instructions every time and have had no issues. The only thing to look out for is if you don't have a milspec lower you may not be able to drill down correctly. Look at the instructions for this provided by Hogue.
@@arisnersissian5374 thank you man super helpful and lastly everything as far as the bolt is concerned works/functions like a standard setup right? Seems like the hogue system is the best option I’ve seen
@@DjDieselLive1 yes the rifle operates the same as a milspec AR15 with the exception of having to use the kingpin to break the action. This can be achieved with the press of your thumb..so as far as training goes its almost identical to standard protocol.
Nice AR pistol.. build list ?
Yes, what is your build list?
Is the pin permanently in there? Or can you remove it at anytime in the event you decide to go back to featureless?
it is removable....
wait, are you able to collapse that PDW brace?? or do you have to run it fully extended?
It doesn't collapse like a foldable stock. But it telescopes for adjustment
@@arisnersissian5374 thats what Im curious about. So you're saying even with the Hellfighter or Kingpin you are still able to telescope that brace all the way down to its shortest configuration!??? kingpin/Hellfighter doesnt get in the way??
@@jfeliciano1172 no, you're right. I can't get it down to the shortest configuration. It's a bit extended. But not enough for me to care
had me excited for a second. Well, build looks good regaurdless brother. Appreciate you clarifying that. Be safe
Nice tips for installation but isn't that gun too short to be California compliant. I thought that barrels had to be at least 16 inches.
This is the CA7 by Franklyn Armory.
@@arisnersissian5374 What upper is it?
@@mikeokeeffe7377 Aero Precision upper
@@arisnersissian5374 exactly what I was hoping you'd say. Looking to get the same from Brownel's for my CA7. Which BCG and charger did you go with?
@@mikeokeeffe7377 went with all Aero precision upper parts I think it's the nitrate bolt carrier and the charging handle as well
" what happens if you file the pin all the way down flush ? "
It will no longer function as a CA compliant rifle as the pin won't push down far enough to lock the magazine release button. But the kit does come with 3 if you file it to low you can always swap out the pin and try again.
Why are we filing this down can some @ me n explain
@brycelocs2386 watch my other video on the hogue/kingpin
Honestly its better to file the mag release button than the pin, cuz the button is cheaper to replace
Not sure how that would work. Also you can get the Hogue pins for like $6 each.
@@arisnersissian5374 im using JT’s lower they fucking red loctide that screw i cant even replace the pin anymore
I'm confused are you saying you're screwed because you accidently filed a pin down too much?
@@HongyiMC check this video out ua-cam.com/video/X7b1zphuPWA/v-deo.html
i'd remove it before filing to avoid hitting the receiver.