post-reload update: i personally really prefer the atmosphere and character defining dungeon/combat design choices of fes. reload is more of a power trip. i will say, i do prefer reload's voice acting and the linked episodes outside of akihiko (not bad just expected more). the social life aspect is an overall improvement with the expansion of night activities; no complaints there. i go into more detail on this in my reload video so please go watch it if you haven't already! ua-cam.com/video/xzn1K5J_ODo/v-deo.html
Fes would have to be reworked in terms of difficulty as it wasn't designed with it in mind, Any of the challenge it has would be nuked, And it already isn't that hard to begin with, Also Fes is fine the way it is as people blow the whole "Marin Karin" and "Junpei be dumb" crap out of the water
There's actually a cheat code to enable party control for P3FES. You could even do it on original hardware (if you could input cheats). That combined with a bunch of community mods just makes me even more disappointing about the P3P news. I get why they didn't try to combine it though. PS2 games were apparently really hard to develop, and I guess they didn't want to emulate. But I would've loved a P3FES and P3P release. Let plays choose which one they wanna play. Even if they were separate releases.
Honestly I don't think it's really an issue to not have controllable party members since the game was made with the idea of not having your party controllable, they wanted to give you a sense that your allies have a mind of their own and you'll have to be responsible as the leader, adding it won't completely ruin it., but I think it'll make the game less unique.
Basically everything that was said is essentially what I would recommend. The enhanced versions are almost- of not always better than the originals, unless we're disputing slight atmospheric changes. Example of this would be: Persona 4's muddy, melancholy atmosphere, to Persona 4 Golden's still melancholic, with a more higher energy atmosphere. Persona 5's gritty, dark color choice and general on screen particle effects of metaverse and overworld, to Persona 5 Royal's more cleaned up, lighter color choice with different particle effects both on screen, in the Metaverse, and general lighting. Etc.
I think Golden takes away some of the charm of Inaba. It's supposed to be in the middle of nowhere, yet a big city is only a scooter's ride away. And like you said, the lighting. I prefer the grayer, moodier vanilla over the oversaturated inaba of golden.
@@Guy_Dude Doesn't matter. Black is the strong secondary color scheme, in game it is the primary color scheme. The Red is simply to keep up with the trend of every Persona having a designated color. Deep Black and Blood (Vermillion) Red in general screams gritty and with White being present as well, the monochrome aesthetic sets a tone unlike any other.
@@insertnamehere658 well that big city is seen even in the original Persona 4 in the middle of skipping school with Ai Ebihara so it lines up with already established facts in the original. it being a scooter's ride away makes sense with Persona 4's social links.
Ah yes, a video debating the merits of every Persona game's version. Surely this will contain nothing controversial to the passionate player base. All joking aside: this is a phenomenal overview. I really appreciate that you included the pros of all versions. It's impressive you presented it all with such efficiency and limited spoilers. I hope this helps more folks get into the series (including the often neglected older titles!).
19:22 I'm in the minority on this, but I actually found golden far more exploitable. You get to exploit it far faster than royal, and golden hands are far more common than treasure demons + exp cards make it far easier to overlevel in golden. It's also the only persona game where sticking to your initial persona is preferable.
I know right. Whenever I got a new party member in that game, they would always end up being embarrassingly under leveled compared to my current ones. I think another factor is the fact that Persona 5 is better paced than Persona 4. Persona 5 makes it so that if you play through the dungeon as intended without intentionally avoiding combat entirely that you will be the appropriate level for the boss. There also aren't many ways to get the insane amounts of experience in as short a time as farming the golden hands in Persona 4. They even removed the exploit of the Reaper getting the status ailment in Royal.
I would argue that the skill card system (and a little luck with the random skill morphs that can occur) can make orpheus the only persona you'll ever need in p3p as well. I say this because the last time I played it I had no intent of hanging onto orpheus and ended up using it all the way to the final boss out of pure convenience. The fact mitsuru gives you so many good things every exam period is supremely broken if you funnel it all into one place.
@@Namingway248 persona 4 golden basically took the systems from persona 3 portable and updated them a bit so i agree. The fact that there is almost nothing to do at night on p3p also helps, cause you can just keep spamming the arcade to improve orpheus stats, add in the incense cards which you can buy and get from mitsuru after exams and you have max stats in no time.
I think they're two different kinds of exploitable. P4G is a lot about grinding up existing personas via Shuffle Time chaining, while P5R is playing mad scientist via Fusion Alarm. The former takes patience; the latter requires cheeky boundary pushing. Both need you to have the kind of gambling addiction RPGs already foster in players. 😅
@@valumtimes I think that's the best way of looking at it. My opinion is that P5R is less exploitable earlier on while P4G is exploitable right of the bat. By the end, sure, P5R is easier, but at that point, both Narukami and Joker do 90% of the damage, and can kill bosses in record time. Grinding in Golden was pretty fun though ngl. Amazing how they made grinding kinda fun. Although, I still prefer playing mad scientist in the velvet room, which I barely spent any time in, in Golden.
The biggest issue with P3P that you said was a small issue is the visual novel style and it's not cause of the reading, it just ruins all emotional story moments and sometimes you don't even know what's going on. I liked P3's story much more when replaying it in FES since I played portable first. I liked P3's story in portable but I loved it in FES.
Why would a visual novel style ruin the emotional bits? Have you perhaps never played Planetarium or White Album 2? Good spritework and a well composed soundtrack goes a long way in conveying emotion, and for what I've seen, P3P does a really good job at both these things.
@@MarceloZ2 Well I played both P3P and FES (the former being first in order) so I'm not speaking from a logical standpoint bit from experience, I thought the story was good but then when I played FES I just fell in love, I didn't feel as attached to the story and characters when playing P3P.
@@thegamerfe8751 I played FES, but never played Portable. As both a Persona fan and a visual novel enjoyer, I really don't see how one would feel less attached to one over the other. But maybe is because I enjoy visual novels, I don't know.
@@MarceloZ2 I enjoy visual novels too, I played FGO (obviously I'm talking about the story, it's actually pretty good), Fate Stay Night (just look at my PFP lmao), Fate HA, Stein's Gate, Clannad and Danganronpa (just 1 and 2). I think the issue is that when Persona 3 was turned into a visual novel they didn't put any effort into translating it into a visual novel format, they just replaced the 3d environment with images + put the script in the text box and called it a day, after all the game doesn't even have any known feature from visual novels. Every other visual novel actually does stuff that aren't just the text box and the image you're looking at. + The way they turned the anime cutscenes into static images that don't even show everything made most of them confusing to understand for me. There's also the fact that with the sprites that show the faces of the characters the 3d models also have a form of facial expressions. And you gotta admit, at least in the case of Persona 3, the 3d + anime cutscenes definitely present the story miles better than the static images. I think more importantly, there are many details lost in the transformation from 3d to 2d. (Spoilers for whoever else is seeing this comment) Example: On December 31st when you Ryoji makes you choose, in P3P he transforms into something that looks like how his shadow form looked like in the movie (a blob that looks just a teeny tiny bit like Thanatos) however in FES he transforms into Thanatos and that detail is just lost for those who didn't play the game in 3d. There's also the ending, it's not animated in P3P, it just has the white sprite of SEES appear then disappear, in FES it actually scrolls down by chronological order + you have the anime cutscenes being replayed in the top right corner. And let's be real here, it's much more emotional seeing something actually happen then seeing an image (case and point, what happened to Shinji) Oh and just to let you know, Fate Extra exists on the PSP, that game is almost the same as far as the gameplay format is concerned (you have a school and a dungeon + some extra stuff) + it looks much better than P3P and is a 3d game. I still don't understand how Fate Extra can exist on the PSP but Persona 3 FES can't. Heck, it looks better than even FES. Other than size the PSP can probably run an optimized + compressed and worse looking version of FES at locked 30 FPS (the game runs at 60 on PS2) and I guess make The Answer a downloadable DLC to save space.
P1 PSX is such a interesting experience, I think more people should try to give it a try even with the script, but PSP is fine I guess if you want only the story
I've played both, definitely preferred the psp versions, but the music for the psx versions hits different tho, it feels more immersive??? Idk, That's about it ig
The music in the PSP version is such a bob tbh, i know people don't like it that much because it doesn't fit the theme of a demon invasion but it's still a bop
6:20 You can switch it to be per turn in PS1 too. In combat go to Strategy > Battle Mode > Simple. In simple it will have everyone go through turns and then bring up input menu once everyone in combat moved. It still allows you to cancel it at any point if you feel things are getting hairy. You also don't need to reinsert commands. Just tweak order if you're aiming for a fusion spell. 6:50 Once again in combat menu Config > Battle Setup > Simple
I can relate to your opinion on Persona 3 versions, although I did it in reverse. I played P3P first both male and female routes before finally delving into P3FES much later, and FES definitely was still fun to play and kept my attention even of I knew the general gist of what was coming. The gameplay style changes alone really make thw two standout, and I dont think one is inherently better than the other which is great
To each their own. I do personally enjoy FES a bit more myself but I won't deny that I really liked the alt story/protag of P3P, and the modern conveniences like full party control made me feel better about using certain party members that I felt were underwhelming in FES. The changes to the Tired status also were much better implemented in P3P in my opinion. So discreditting what P3P does well seems a bit short sighted just cause you or I think FES is better
@@Raizearche I mean there really wasn't any need for full control over party members, I had the option but I never really needed to use it unless for a boss, also while I did like the alt character, I felt the writing was fit more for p4 than p3, plus I really missed the epiloge for fes
IMO I wish they do a rerealease of Persona 3 mixing both FES and Portable, add the graphics, animated cutscenes and The Answer from FES, and add Portable quality of life improvments and Female Route.
As a worm I do use only two modified versions but one is just the PS1 music and the other is the direct control for FES but that does not change my experience on how I enjoyed them the very first time I played them as a kid. As a long time fan even though Persona 1 released on the year I was born. Has been some of my favorite games. Other than Resident Evil and Zombies Ate My Neighbors and of course Wild Arms. I was blown away finding out there was a second story in 1 when I saw the PSP version in 2009. Just brings a smile to my face seeing a video of someone encouraging people to play the originals.
With Persona 1 I definitely lean more towards Japanese MIP/Revelations due to the presentational changes in the PSP and even though that mod (which I know the people who worked on it) is really cool and fixes the music, the sound design is honestly completely different and it doesn't feel right to someone like me who has been so used to the original. Also for Japanese players there is a weird presentational thing in the PsP version with the animated cutscenes only being subtitled and having no voices while the English version is fully dubbed. I thought that was extremely strange. With p2is one of the biggest advantages the PsP has over the original was scrapped from the western release with the dungeon builder and DLC quests being removed. I don't think there's any ongoing projects to restore that unfortunately, Western players really missed out with those DLC quests made by Satomi Tadashi
Even though the music does not fit the tone anymore I fricking love the psp vocal tracks so much. Let butterflies spread until the dawn, bloody destiny, and lone prayer are all so so good
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 I wish they were a bit longer personally. They're good tracks even if they don't fit as well, but they loop very early that to me it feels like the songs are missing something. Like Lone Prayer is good but it feels like it ends a bit too early before going back to the start.
I think the main reason why P3P has so many compromises mostly comes down to the fact a UMD holds 900MB (on a single layer disc) or 1.8GB on a dual layer. I mean P3P uses the same engine as FES. So I think that’s the main reason is just storage :)
@@BitchChill for the sony playstation 2 and playstation portable developed by atlus now currently owned by sega soon to be ported to the nintendo switch, sony playstation 4 and 5, microsoft windows operating system, microsoft xbox series x/s and the microsoft xbox one
At this point, Persona 2 could be released as a full game with the option to play Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment or play them both as a full story.
The fact that we have P3:Reload coming out and Atlus STILL haven't released FES or even the original p3 on console marketplaces makes me wonder if they lost the original code.
I think that for P3, played the Portable version for main story since they did add more dialogues compare to the original, some even add new context like Junpei's Ultimate Persona is a fusion with Chidori's Persona. Then play FES for The Answer only, maybe with Party Command mod to consistent with Portable gameplay.
I'm playing the PSP Persona 1 version because of hype waiting for the PC ports and translations and I was expecting something that felt older but I was surprised in a good way, the game feels right most of the time, I did not knew about the music and audio being different from the original, I'll check if I like it better with that mod mentioned in the video.
@@alyssarasmussen1723 thanks for the info , but it has been a year and i already have found it haha . Now im looking forward to the persona 3 reload ost to come out in good quality .
I thought this was just gonna be some annoying whiny video saying that the OG versions of the games suck and the remasters are good because they're "newer" but I'm glad to see that the video was (mostly) unbiased and raised good points for playing each game. Cool video
the enhanced version such as the Fes, Golden and royale are my favorite. i mean i don't know why atlus got lazy with the pc version and decided to have the P3P. What they could have done is to consider that the pc has a lot more memory, power and storage which means they could have gone the route of putting the elements of P3P like the female protagonist and the other social links and combine it with the playstyle of FES. i dont see myself playing a novel game on my pc. but im definitely going to play the royale version again.
As someone who has never played them, my plan is to play all the PSP ones, as I have a hacked PSP. For 4, I have the PS2 version on PS3 that I got for very cheap a while ago. If I ever see Golden on Switch for a good price, and I still haven't played it, I'll get it for that. For 5 is going to be Royal on Switch.
If you're gonna play P3P, you should probably do it through emulation. With the HD texture packs available for PPSSPP the game looks so good, especially the character sprites (as seen in this video).
When P3 Portable came to PS4 and Switch, I was so disappointed that you couldn’t walk around the world or watch cutscenes that I went and bought a PS2 and a copy of FES, so far, I definitely prefer FES
The enemy stats are also lowered by about 20-30% in the PSP version of Innocent Sin Not that the PS1 ver was a particularly difficult game, but psp's hard mode only barely matches the original difficulty
january 19th is so close i am so excited to play persona 3 for the first time. i had no idea there were so many different options of the lfrst three games, cause i've only recently got into the persona series (p5 royal which i bought in February of last year... had to start over last month tho cause i couldn't carry over my save data to my new console :/). thank you for the video, I've been enjoying going through your 'older' ones too.
I started Portable as my first P3 experience ad it just wasn’t hooking me. Which was surprising, as I do play a lot of VN and didn’t think I’d mind. It just felt like I was missing details. So I switched over to FES and everything clicked. The story seemed more clear (in portable for example I didn’t even realize Tartarus was at your school, somehow). Portable feels like a great way to do a 2nd playthrough to me. You’re less likely to miss details since you already know the story. Something about actually moving around the town in a 3D space just had me more invested.
How do you not know that tartarus was at your school do you not pay attention? i think your one of those people who can't play a visual novel properly because you don't pay attention enough
P3P at the end will destroy u especially on harder difficulty playthroughs. I'm having that experience with p3 reload rn cuz I never played the og fes.
Awesome video man. I havent played any persona first hand, but ive been a fan for awhile and really wanted to i just havent had the means. But now with them finally coming to switch im gonna start. This video helped me a lot!
I'm usually for faithful remakes too... unless they're Pokemon BDSP. (But that's mostly because I thought the original DP could do with a lot of improvements) There are three versions of Persona 3. FES, Portable, and the one nobody plays because maxing all Social Links was somehow EVEN WORSE than FES. I definitely agree with you on reverse Social Links. They should still exist, just get rid of the jealousy system. It was even worse in FES because the male MC doesn't even have the option of platonic routes. I agree that part of the beauty of P3 is both versions (we don't talk about non-FES PS2) give very different experiences on what's broadly the same story. I never really thought of that before but yeah, Golden's additions were more substantial expansions on the formula than I thought. And on Golden being exploitable, well... sure, but P5R is MUCH worse in that regard. 17:50 LolYosuke'sLevel. I'd say Golden is worth picking over PS2 just for Kanji and Naoto's moveset improvements along. (To a lesser extent Chie, who is now crit focused) And you have the same opinion on Royal I do. I love its new additions, like guns actually being good, Technical being a consistent way to fight enemies with no weaknesses instead of needing to rely on Lucky Punch and Akechi actually being a good character this time. The main downside though is how incredibly easy it is compared to vanilla P5. In Golden, you at least has to kind of go out of your way to grind Persona stats. In Royal, Special Treatment + Alarm or Ryuji Rank 7 + Jose Mementos Exp Boost is ALL you need to make the gameplay effortless. In my LP I've having to actively hold myself back and I still haven't Game Overed yet up to the 3rd Palace. The boss changes also make most of them significantly easier than the original, with the exception of Okumura. (Who's my favourite boss precisely BECAUSE it's a challenge) Merciless doesn't solve these issues, because tripling Technical damage actually makes a lot of fights EASIER. Anyway, great video as always. You got a review code! Nice.
i usually always use yosuke in my party. i used magic based parties on my first two times playing persona 4 (yosuke, yukiko, and naoto). this time i went for a mostly physically built party (chie, yukiko, kanji). definitely better for taking down gold shadows, though quite a few bosses like to cock block you with their 50% pseudo-resistance.
I just tend to use everyone, rotating them around. But Chie is pretty good for gold hangs up until Naoto joins. (Then it's just Megidololon, gold hands have a huge pseudo-weakness to Almighty) At least this isn't Persona 4 Vanilla, where Tough Guy in the Shadow Kanji fight drained Physical. That fight got nerfed the hardest in Golden but I'm okay with it since the original was pretty bullcrap. (No weaknesses, they have Heat Riser) For Yukiko they gave her an Ice weakness but doubled her HP, and every other boss was untouched I'm pretty sure.
@@ruudga1028 HGSS were my favourite remakes, they kept everything good about the originals, fixed what sucked (e.g Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest were added back in to Kanto, Blaine's Gym became an actual Gym), included some parts of Crystal, and added enough new content to feel worthwhile as new entries in the series.
I'd really like to see a full P1 PSX fan translation come to fruition someday. I suppose I always could just play the PSP with modded music, but PSX sounds a lot more interesting.
I know some people are trying to port over the PSP script to PSX, but I also think it would be interesting to have an alternate fan translation that "Revelationizes" the Snow Queen quest just to see how it might have played out had Atlus translated it in the 90s as well
12:02 That's exactly what I noticed from these people. They could very well be the same people who will hate the original book than the film based on the book because they rather watch the story rather than read through it, even though the film doesn't always make the best changes from the book. Another thing to note about a few more Portable changes which are actually pretty good. For one, there was an Inari shrine in FES where when you pray to it, anything can happen and it takes up the whole day. In Portable, the Inari shrine no longer does that, it's now used to make copies of skill cards and it doesn't take up time at all, but will take 5 in-game days, which is much more useful and convenient. Portable is the first game in the series to introduce this type of mechanic that you can do with skill cards and that since Portable, it's been carried over to all future Persona games. Persona 4 Golden would have it with with Marie and Persona 5 would have it with Yusuke. And the second nice addition is after the full moon operation with the Empress and Emperor, you unlock this whole new series of side quests where a person will end up lost in Tartarus and you have to go in to save them before the next full moon because if you don't, they will die, and on a few rare occasions, this will happen to your Social Links too and if you don't save them, not only will they die, but your Social Link with them will stop at its' current rank. This is personally one of my favorite additions in Portable because all it does is it gives us new things to do in Tartarus, it helps people plan their Tartarus trips better and we get extra rewards from it too. And speaking of which, one other difference between FES and Portable has to do with the 'tired/sick' mechanic. In FES, this is purely based on how much fighting you do in the Dark Hour, and because of this, you aren't able to do everything in one Tartarus trip like you can do in Persona 4 and 5, you have to take multiple trips in Tartarus in order to be able to do everything before the next full moon. In Portable, this was altered so that it's no longer based on stamina, but it's more based on strength and level where basically, you don't just get more and more tired just from defeating enemies regardless of what level they are, you only get really tired if you try to fight an enemy who's stronger than you and you're too low leveled. And one thing connected to this mechanic which I'm a little bit sad it's gone in Portable is the late night time period where you choose to either sleep early or study then sleep. Though, I can understand why they changed this because yeah, what's the point of having this risk choice if the tired mechanic has been changed up to be more based on strength and level than stamina and thus, you don't get tired as much? Also, If I want to talk about perhaps my biggest problem with Royal, which is the new story content basically feels like Persona 3 FES if The Answer were to be included in The Journey playthrough disguised as the new story content from Persona 4 Golden and that Metis were to actually appear in The Journey storyline, she has a Social Link and given as much screentime as possible, but barely given a part in the main story in terms of being a party member, even if there is one part in the story where you want her to be there as a party member, the game will basically force the characters to not let her join because the people at Atlus are worried about the hardcore Persona fans who expects everything about the main story to be the same and if they see one slight change or addition, they'll get mad over it, and it's only until The Answer where Metis actually becomes relevant to the story and become a full on party member. That is pretty much what Persona 5 Royal feels like in terms of new story content as a whole.
to be fair tho, when the source material is intended to be animated and have action and movement it makes it a lot less engaging and impactful when its turned into lower quality animation or a slideshow with walls of text
@@spydersoup8447 those are usually new stories, intended as books. Not a story intended to be animated forced into awkward slideshows. The beginning cutscenes in base p3 and fes has so much going on and is instantly iconic, the same cutscene in p3p feels like a hollow shell in comparison
@@Yeen66 I can understand this, but most of the cutscenes in Persona 3 do already rely mainly on dialogue, but it's true that there are scenes that do turn off people without actual animated cutscenes, a good example of this is the Social Link with Koromaru. With those, all you need is your imagination, which is the point of reading through books.
@@spydersoup8447 Well I can't find any logic behind what you're saying. Playing Persona 3 Portable for the story as the Male MC is just stupid (unless it's your only way to play P3) if you're not bothered by FES' gameplay. The presentation just ruins all emotional moments for the story especially since you have to really use your imagination to see how the state of the characters and even to know what's happening.
I've been emulating persona 5 on my shitty PC barely getting those 30 fps yes it was difficult yes it had sound glitches sometimes but DAMM that game is impressive in the way that it really shows a change it's the same surprise I had when going from persona 3 fes to persona 4. On my old PS2 The only sad part is that these releases got announced as I was getting to the last dungeon. I decided to stop playing so that I will be motivated to start again but DAMM I wish they announced it earlier.
I wish they announced it before getting myself all worked up in the last two months to buy a PS5 with P5R, P4G on Steam and a modded PS3 for P1, P2 and P3
Bro literally get the ps3 version on the ps3 emulator if not get a ps5 it’s easy tbh all you have to do is sign up pre hand to Best Buy target Sony etc and they’ll notify with a email that is for you to get in line I got 3
Also I think a video about mods would be really interesting I don't have a lot of experience using them except for a couple times where I tried modding Undertale So it'd be cool seeing a video talking about the Persona mods out there.
@@CheesyLizzy yeah. the more i think about it, the better the idea sounds. we'll see how it goes later down the line. probably not until after 3 and 5 have come to steam.
Never played P5, Only ever got the Royal version, And funny enough I played thu P5R 3 times before i learned there was a third semester, I was getting the vanilla ending everytime, So when i finally did it right and got the new Royal content i freaking loved it, The whole Maruki reality thing was honestly the most intriguing part of the game for me, Loved what they did with Akechi, Glad i experienced that part of the game, But i will say i also preferred the OG P5 ending, It was like the perfect Persona ending IMO, I like ending it with the Phantom Theives all together, Much happier ending than leaving alone.
@@butterschunkmcdonalds5333 that's the biggest part for me. They were together all year, so then just leaving him alone instead of driving Joker to his hometown made me sad
@@Dastardly_Duo Exactly, Like I liked the whole Maruki arc but I was actually upset when he shows up and you get in his car instead of the van lol i also liked Morgana stealing the part from the agents car when they drive off, That part always makes me smile, Fits the Phantom Theives better IMO than getting legit chased off by the feds at the end.
I wish there was a way to combine that difficulty of Persona 5 into Royal. Royal is fantastic on every front and the grapple hook does so much in so little time. But that difficulty is stupid easy compared to what P5 original had. My main grapples are the gun and the showtime mechanic, in P5 original I enjoyed how they force a limit. If you wanted to use bullets you saved them for the enemy's you knew could take them hard because they could easily kill anything. In Royal I found myself just spamming the gun alot more often. With Showtime while an amazing mechanic that's fun, it always came out anytime I was about to either destroy an enemy or about to lose to an enemy. It was honestly more of a blue eyes white dragon of getting out of situations or dunking on them. But that's honestly my main complaints, I spent a good 12 hours in tycoon tho because god damn was that such a nice breather from having to replay what I've already done before.
I only half agree on the removal of the jealousy system. its critiques are overblown, given how much time/hang with other girl sessions it takes (60 days, subtract 15 off the counter if you spend time with another girl (Maiko and Aigis excluded)), and it is much more accurate to what a real relationship would be like, especially among teenagers. I would address it in several potential ways: 1. Ideally, MC should get friendzone routes. This is a given because I still haven't done the 4 other girls because I don't want to cheat on Chihiro, however you can add a gameplay benefit to it too: The Jealousy Mechanic only comes into play if you choose to enter a romantic relationship with the girl. This provides a more rewarding Social Link and more experiences with the girl (that'd be added in a hypothetical P3 Remake), while the Friendzone route provides easier completion with the removal of Jealousy. 2. Change the amount of days removed based on the girl's personality. Someone who (seems) easy-going like Yuko would remove only 10 days off the counter making her more lenient, while someone more prone to jealousy like Chihiro would remove 20. This adds more personality through gameplay and adds more strategy to planning your social links. You could have some sort of indicator of this (Jealousy Type or something like that) in the Social Link menu. 3. The Tokimeki Memorial approach: Just add the menu indicator in the SL Menu so a player can see how a girl might be feeling, then you can plan on hanging with her to diffuse her if she's getting close to going off.
Fun fact_ The PSX version of EP also has wallpaper option for the Menus and text box, usually stuff like changin the backgrounds to Seven Sisters logo, Baofu and the Dark Side of Sumaru City, NWO or my favourite Jack Frost faces hahaha.
We don't know yet what, if any, changes will be made to Persona 3 Portable Remaster. I'm hoping Atlus takes advantage of the more powerful hardware and at least puts the original anime cutscenes back in.
It's not a remaster. It's a garbage port of a garbage version. The only way to play Persona 3 is to emulate P3 FES on PC and use the amazing graphics mod currently developed by the fans. It's almost fully finished. P3Portable is the same exact PSP version with resolution adapted. P4 Golden on PC is not a remaster either.
Bruh it's already confirmed, there's 60fps and widescreen support and that's it. The game is upscaled but it's using a pretty shitty AI cause were artifacts in the trailer. Even the most popular fanmade hd upsclae for P3P on PPSSPP looks better.
Regarding to Golden and Royal, I agree, however. Having played the originals without DLC, I was surprised to hear my friends having played the game(s) without doing any of the velvet room confidants/SL or special fusions.... heck fusion in general. Not that the persona games are designed to be hard but I dont know if its a good design to have the dlc persona unlockable at the start.
I agree, the FFIV PSP version was amazing! Not as hard/difficult as they made the DS version since FF III was a hard game and also on the DS but still amazing.
@@XxDanielxX-eo6iy they are referencing the fact that the game is not balanced for controllable party members and the difficulty becomes an absolute joke.
I don't really mind that the main char would only hold a certain type of weapon since the best play in any smt or persona game you always should focus on spells attacks anyway. Leave the powerhouse to your partner
Remember Persona 4 Golden on PS Vita includes a crap ton of extra content in the TV mode like concerts, expanded music player and trailers/cutscenes to each game (THIS IS ONLY IN THE VITA VERSION, NOT THE RERELEASE!)
For a second playthrough of Royal, if you do want to use mods I'd highly recommend Custom Bonus Tweaks, it's by some of the same modders as P5EX for the PS3 version and adds a whole bunch of little tweaks that improve the experience significantly. I'd also recommend some 'fixes' mods like the one that stops the shadow quality from changing to medium after every loading screen, and the texture fixes project.
Wait; did you mention the extra story content you get from Persona 2 Innocent Sin if you play in on the PSP? You get some extra dungeons and some story bits in there so that's not a bad addition to those who want it. (I'm talking about the Climax Theater)
P2 innocent sin battle system on psp isn't the worst, but it's definitely the slowest and forces you to use the automode even more than the psx version. I don't agree with you on the mods thing, last time I put a cheat that reduces random encounters, it was the best decision tbh.
I started playing the series from the very 1st version the OG ps1 version now I'm on persona 2 innocent sin ps1 version as well I'm loving every time I play it and I'm also considering to watch the anime adaptations
There’s just something about this series that feels just soo much better on a portable.. But I may be biased being I’d played through P4G on Vita first.. I look forward to seeing P5R on Switch and I’ll probably keep my PS4 version as a backup
While I agree with you on the mods thing (sans translation ofc). I think the direct input fes mod would’ve been good to mention due to its sheer popularity.
DC mod needs no introduction. like you said, it’s popular as it is. plus i’d rather not be that guy who introduces that mod to people who haven’t even played the game yet.
@@strecxiu2134 Clean any Mementos floor and just wait, resting areas excluded of course. Note: for some reason if you provoke him directly instead of letting him get the drop he becomes a lot more aggressive, so do with that information what you wish.
Gonna mention it here since the video glossed over it, the official translation on PSP is vastly superior to the PS1 fan translation, so if you're interested in story, it's definitely the version you should be playing, as it reads much better and is more accurate.
I got into Persona game from watching Occultic;Nine then i started with P3P and holy shit, only game that makes you feel in highschool all over again xD
I’d agree with your points on P5/P5R. The only reason I’d say to play P5 is if you want a more challenging experience. While many of the things P5R added were cool, it made the game feel very easy, even on higher difficulties. Whereas on P5, if you’re playing on the highest difficulty you really have to plan and be prepared for each dungeon.
Personally, when I know a bit too much about an SMT/Persona game, I personally like to add mods that make my playthrough more comfortbale (like SMT5V's old styled buffs or extra personas) just want to enjoy it as such in general
Persona 3 FES, easy choice for me. Disregarding that I'm still only on my first playthrough for it, I don't really see what modding could really offer me for Persona 3 FES; I think it looks fine, I play Ocarina of Time regularly enough to not feel violated by the existence of older 3D rendering. Tactics commands... my only real issue is not having access to most of the commands until the second half of The Journey; I very much enjoy the feeling that the other party members are autonomous and not simply just a third, fourth, fifth arm for me to have direct control over, and learning how to work around particular party compositions is very enjoyable for me. Knowing how the party members are programmed to behave probably helps with this as I can scan a boss - not get any affinity reads for myself - and then watch what the rest of my party does to try and discern the boss' affinities, for example. I've only briefly touched The Answer because I do kind of want to finish The Journey before I commit a full playthrough to The Answer, but the brief no-save run I did of The Answer felt like a high-lights reel of *almost* everything I came to Person 3 FES for in the first place (if you exclude me rushing half an hour of constant cutscenes because I want to enjoy the story on the full playthrough). I actually made it to the first boss in The Answer and came close to cracking it before running out of resources (I went in on next to no SP against my better judgement because it was a throw-away run). Have to say though, I don't know that I could do P3P because I *really* like using ranged weapons to better gain the advantage in battle, which is another point towards enjoying The Answer because Aigis' guns generally feel like snappier bows with better telegraphed ranged when roaming out of battle.
im so excited to get p3 and p4 on switch!!! i got into persona 5 like two years ago and i love it so much, and recently i've been looking at the older ones. i was considering getting p3 for my ps2, but i couldn't find anyone selling it + it's coming out on switch so, might as well just get it in january. i have a feeling i'm really gonna love them, i've watched a few clips on youtube and they both look super fun. i have gotten a few spoilers for persona 4, actually a major spoiler but i don't mind since i got *all* of persona 5 spoiled before i played it haha edit: i did not mean to make this comment so long lol
The most convenient, affordable, visually speaking, is going to be the Xbox series version on game pass. It's just great to enjoy almost every persona game on Xbox, through Xbox 360 backwards compatible or remastered version on game pass. Everyone using game pass should try them out. I think x cloud could be perfect for this game, as persona na games are generally not affected by latency. Play on smart phone on the go is going to be great.
Ive played all of my persona on portable device. So I did buy p5 on my ps4 but.... never finished it. Now I got a steamdeck... so freaking happy. Persona 5 Royal on the go baby (also been playing Fes and golden up to the release of Royale). God I love my deck. I'm also happy for the swicth peoples
As far as P3 goes I don’t know that I could say Portable is the definitive version like some people think, when it has no overworld. I still maintain that to fully experience P3, you have to play FES as the male MC (controllable party mod if you want to make it easier) and then play Portable as the female MC.
@@thegamerfe8751 there is nothing to explain, it just doesn't, it's literally the scenes adapted into a vn format, you can perfectly understand everything that is happening so long as you care to read like the game wants you to.
@@mizzix no, just don't fucking assume I didn't read. I played multiple VNs before (Fate Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia, Stein's Gate, DDLC, Amagami ebKore, all of Danganronpa and Clannad), since all of them were made as being VNs the creators managed to make everything work perfectly but because P3P is originally a 3d game with 3d cutscenes and anime cutscenes there was no effort put into changing it into a VN, they just removed all cutscenes and changed it into pictures without adding the stuff needed to make a story in VN format work and that hurt the story experience. I played P3P first then FES and I found myself enjoying the game's story much more in FES.
I'm playing the Golden n my strategy is simple, I'll try to do all the social links, but I'll date only one girl per run, it includes secondary girls, in my first run I'm with Yukiko, next will be Chie or the secondary girls, my plan is to safe Marie or Naoto for the last run, I already have Marie max link tho
I played Persona 1 (SEBEC and SQQ) a couple months ago on the PSP and really enjoyed it. Then, I decided to play a bit of the Japanese PS1 version last week - using a script and Google translate - and found myself enjoying the music and atmosphere a lot more. The only downsides were that I had to have the script open at all times and that I couldn’t skip battle animations. To anyone dissatisfied with the PSP version, maybe try playing Megami Ibunroku with a script. It might be slower, but I found myself more immersed compared to the PSP version, and I haven’t even beaten Ibunroku
Persona 5 is such an special case for me. I played P5 3 times. One on my PS3, then one month later on my new Ps4 at the time (paid twice for the full price game), and then again before I had money for the royal (which I've got on a deal on PSN). I have P5 physical nowadays but I don't have P5R because it's a pain to find a copy here. Anyways, by playing P5 and essentially starting P5R right away I caught so, fucking, many, differences. It's insane, so much so that I really wish someone did an in-depth features and changes from versions, not only in big mechanics because they changed every single small thing you can immagine. That being said, P5 actually holds itself off real good, if you give someone who never played Persona 5, the original game today, they will still feel it's a finished game. It's absurdly polished, and yes, the chances you have to break the game only happens end game, P5R adds stuff that breaks the game before the third dungeon if you ignore DLC. And since you have all the OG DLC, you know what happens. I'm still annoyed with the female Orpheus DLC where she's like, level 11, and has Neo Cadenza, which heals 50% + All of the Kaja spells in one for all party, that's like a super Heat-Rizer for all your party right in front of you from Kamoshida's palace. That's insane. There are a lot of smaller changes and big changes, and Royal succeed in making you not wanting to play P5, just because it fixes the smaller things that annoyed everyone in the long run, changed certain dungeons to have less padding, cut short win battle animations so you have to click only once to see all your spoils, and so on and so on. Even so, if I ever get to a situation where I can't play P5R and can only play P5, I will be able to play it without being absurdly annoyed by it, because overall, the game is very well done. After all, it took them almost ten years to make it. P3 AND P4 are not that... easy, to play the og versions. P4 is harder than P4G, true, but overall P4G feels more complete. P4 lacks something, and it's simple: It lacks freedom. P5 may force you to sleep way too much, I agree, but you still can play 80% of the callendar day and night no problem. Also, just for you to have a sense of scope, if you ever play P5, try NOT using the fast travel mechanics for two or three days in-game, and you'll see how absurdly well done it is. It's so easy to get lost, they suceed into making shibuya the labyrinth it truly is. Anyway, I agree with you too. To me, P3P is only worth if you play FemC. If your first time playing Persona 3, you should play FES. The 2D graphics removes some of the charm Iwatodai has. P3P adds a lot of good features, but I'm still wondering why they added quick travel there if it's so damn fast to travel between screens when you're just a flloating dot. And in deffence of every single one who hates the Visual Novel, I am a great lover of Visual Novels, and PErsona 3 Script was NOT adapted to a Visual Novel format. This means a certain character dies for another in Persona 3 Portable and the script tells the scene as if you're watching the 3D models doing their shit, they never go in-depth describing what's happening and since they didn't draw any new cutscenes for these moments, you will be seeing Tartarus'front door a lot, while sprites come and go with their EXPRESSIVENESS during emootional scenes. To this day I still wonder, how they wanted me to feel bad when a party member goes away when they didnt bother to describe the scenes correctly since most of them lacks CGs anyways. P3Fes however made me care for those characters, and know that I had a PSP when I discovered Persona 3, so I played the PSP first. And frankly as much as we have a lot of good gameplay changes in portable, Portable really forgets to remember people may have not played P3 or P3F, because it expects you to know how the scenes actually play so you can have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain. Really. Spoilers: When Jumpei sees Shidori survived in Portable, it felt meh for me, once I watched the same scene on FES, I understood what happened in full. I dunno why, but frankly, Portable just don't explain shit, and remember: I play a shit ton Visual Novels, if you lack a CG or a 2D specific image to tell a scene, you need to explain every, single, piece of information the protagonist sees. And P3 scrip tells that thinking you're seeing what he's seeing on a 3D envrioment, externalized of him. While P3P should be telling the same events from a first person perspective, not an externalized version of that like P3F and P3 does.
"because it expects you to know the scenes actually play so you have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain" Me who cried during a certain someone's death while playing the game completely blind: ok I respectful disagree with portable not explaining shit too. I understood everything perfectly and i quite honestly fail to see how someone wouldn't unless they're just spamming x to go through the text(i also had no experience with visual novels up to that point so i don't see how you couldn't understand it while having more experience with the genre). The presentantion being worse than fes is a fact, but to say that you can't understand what is happening is a huge stretch.
I know, I just started playing P3P and it's way more different than P3F was to the original P3. I understand now why P3P is seen as the remake by Atlus. I can only imagine how much different P4G will be, let alone P5R.
Honestly, one reason why I prefer the re-release and not the originals is because most of the time, I can only play them with the console I currently have. Like with Persona 3 or 4, I only had the PSP and PSVita at the time so I couldn't play them on the PS2 and PS3 respectively. The only exception is Persona 5, which I played first on the PS3, but moved to the Switch when I got it because I prefer handhelds. (It's also the main reason I got the Switch TBH)
FInally got the guts to try Shin Megami Tensei, but I'll play the first persona game first cause it seems like a good gap, I'm in love with the SNES SMT games so I really want to play with the original music (I got a glimpse of it in P5S and it rocks) so I hope the mod to restore is complete by now
You said no mods, but P1 PSP with the music patch is the best imo. I'd prefer the best of two worlds for the artistic intent of the devs and a streamlined battle menu that's faster and has better readability. Its not that different based on what I played of both.
i actually began the series by watching 3 fes and then watching 4 then playing 5 then playing 3 for a bit on emulator then 5 on royal then 4 golden on pc
post-reload update:
i personally really prefer the atmosphere and character defining dungeon/combat design choices of fes. reload is more of a power trip. i will say, i do prefer reload's voice acting and the linked episodes outside of akihiko (not bad just expected more). the social life aspect is an overall improvement with the expansion of night activities; no complaints there. i go into more detail on this in my reload video so please go watch it if you haven't already! ua-cam.com/video/xzn1K5J_ODo/v-deo.html
Kinda was thinking they would just combine P3FES and P3P together for the rerelease. Really I'd be fine with P3FES with the option to control party.
Yes yes yes 😭
Fes would have to be reworked in terms of difficulty as it wasn't designed with it in mind, Any of the challenge it has would be nuked, And it already isn't that hard to begin with, Also Fes is fine the way it is as people blow the whole "Marin Karin" and "Junpei be dumb" crap out of the water
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There's actually a cheat code to enable party control for P3FES. You could even do it on original hardware (if you could input cheats). That combined with a bunch of community mods just makes me even more disappointing about the P3P news. I get why they didn't try to combine it though. PS2 games were apparently really hard to develop, and I guess they didn't want to emulate. But I would've loved a P3FES and P3P release. Let plays choose which one they wanna play. Even if they were separate releases.
Honestly I don't think it's really an issue to not have controllable party members since the game was made with the idea of not having your party controllable, they wanted to give you a sense that your allies have a mind of their own and you'll have to be responsible as the leader, adding it won't completely ruin it., but I think it'll make the game less unique.
Unbeknownst to anyone, P3 Reloaded would come out a year after this video debuted. Good grief, that game is so pretty.
Is it the best version? 🤔
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@@grunklebran7535 ehhh, most of the music doesn't really hit in the same way though
It does some songs are a bit worse for sure but its not the norm most songs sound fine or even better@@marioliberato1410
@@marioliberato1410 Living with Determination (Iwatodai) absolutely slapped, and that’s really the only one that mattered to me.
Any video getting people to play the classic personas is a good video
any comment i get from you is a good comment :)
I'm sensing a connection
P2 best persona
Basically everything that was said is essentially what I would recommend. The enhanced versions are almost- of not always better than the originals, unless we're disputing slight atmospheric changes.
Example of this would be: Persona 4's muddy, melancholy atmosphere, to Persona 4 Golden's still melancholic, with a more higher energy atmosphere.
Persona 5's gritty, dark color choice and general on screen particle effects of metaverse and overworld, to Persona 5 Royal's more cleaned up, lighter color choice with different particle effects both on screen, in the Metaverse, and general lighting.
Etc.
You do realize bright blood red is not a dark color, right?
I think Golden takes away some of the charm of Inaba. It's supposed to be in the middle of nowhere, yet a big city is only a scooter's ride away. And like you said, the lighting. I prefer the grayer, moodier vanilla over the oversaturated inaba of golden.
@@insertnamehere658 Similarly, I think Pursuing My True Self is a much more appropriate opening than Shadow World
@@Guy_Dude Doesn't matter. Black is the strong secondary color scheme, in game it is the primary color scheme. The Red is simply to keep up with the trend of every Persona having a designated color.
Deep Black and Blood (Vermillion) Red in general screams gritty and with White being present as well, the monochrome aesthetic sets a tone unlike any other.
@@insertnamehere658 well that big city is seen even in the original Persona 4 in the middle of skipping school with Ai Ebihara so it lines up with already established facts in the original.
it being a scooter's ride away makes sense with Persona 4's social links.
Ah yes, a video debating the merits of every Persona game's version. Surely this will contain nothing controversial to the passionate player base.
All joking aside: this is a phenomenal overview. I really appreciate that you included the pros of all versions. It's impressive you presented it all with such efficiency and limited spoilers. I hope this helps more folks get into the series (including the often neglected older titles!).
19:22 I'm in the minority on this, but I actually found golden far more exploitable. You get to exploit it far faster than royal, and golden hands are far more common than treasure demons + exp cards make it far easier to overlevel in golden. It's also the only persona game where sticking to your initial persona is preferable.
I know right. Whenever I got a new party member in that game, they would always end up being embarrassingly under leveled compared to my current ones. I think another factor is the fact that Persona 5 is better paced than Persona 4. Persona 5 makes it so that if you play through the dungeon as intended without intentionally avoiding combat entirely that you will be the appropriate level for the boss. There also aren't many ways to get the insane amounts of experience in as short a time as farming the golden hands in Persona 4. They even removed the exploit of the Reaper getting the status ailment in Royal.
I would argue that the skill card system (and a little luck with the random skill morphs that can occur) can make orpheus the only persona you'll ever need in p3p as well. I say this because the last time I played it I had no intent of hanging onto orpheus and ended up using it all the way to the final boss out of pure convenience. The fact mitsuru gives you so many good things every exam period is supremely broken if you funnel it all into one place.
@@Namingway248 persona 4 golden basically took the systems from persona 3 portable and updated them a bit so i agree. The fact that there is almost nothing to do at night on p3p also helps, cause you can just keep spamming the arcade to improve orpheus stats, add in the incense cards which you can buy and get from mitsuru after exams and you have max stats in no time.
I think they're two different kinds of exploitable. P4G is a lot about grinding up existing personas via Shuffle Time chaining, while P5R is playing mad scientist via Fusion Alarm. The former takes patience; the latter requires cheeky boundary pushing. Both need you to have the kind of gambling addiction RPGs already foster in players. 😅
@@valumtimes I think that's the best way of looking at it. My opinion is that P5R is less exploitable earlier on while P4G is exploitable right of the bat. By the end, sure, P5R is easier, but at that point, both Narukami and Joker do 90% of the damage, and can kill bosses in record time.
Grinding in Golden was pretty fun though ngl. Amazing how they made grinding kinda fun. Although, I still prefer playing mad scientist in the velvet room, which I barely spent any time in, in Golden.
The biggest issue with P3P that you said was a small issue is the visual novel style and it's not cause of the reading, it just ruins all emotional story moments and sometimes you don't even know what's going on. I liked P3's story much more when replaying it in FES since I played portable first. I liked P3's story in portable but I loved it in FES.
100% agree with this
Why would a visual novel style ruin the emotional bits? Have you perhaps never played Planetarium or White Album 2? Good spritework and a well composed soundtrack goes a long way in conveying emotion, and for what I've seen, P3P does a really good job at both these things.
@@MarceloZ2 Well I played both P3P and FES (the former being first in order) so I'm not speaking from a logical standpoint bit from experience, I thought the story was good but then when I played FES I just fell in love, I didn't feel as attached to the story and characters when playing P3P.
@@thegamerfe8751 I played FES, but never played Portable. As both a Persona fan and a visual novel enjoyer, I really don't see how one would feel less attached to one over the other. But maybe is because I enjoy visual novels, I don't know.
@@MarceloZ2 I enjoy visual novels too, I played FGO (obviously I'm talking about the story, it's actually pretty good), Fate Stay Night (just look at my PFP lmao), Fate HA, Stein's Gate, Clannad and Danganronpa (just 1 and 2).
I think the issue is that when Persona 3 was turned into a visual novel they didn't put any effort into translating it into a visual novel format, they just replaced the 3d environment with images + put the script in the text box and called it a day, after all the game doesn't even have any known feature from visual novels. Every other visual novel actually does stuff that aren't just the text box and the image you're looking at.
+ The way they turned the anime cutscenes into static images that don't even show everything made most of them confusing to understand for me.
There's also the fact that with the sprites that show the faces of the characters the 3d models also have a form of facial expressions.
And you gotta admit, at least in the case of Persona 3, the 3d + anime cutscenes definitely present the story miles better than the static images.
I think more importantly, there are many details lost in the transformation from 3d to 2d. (Spoilers for whoever else is seeing this comment)
Example: On December 31st when you Ryoji makes you choose, in P3P he transforms into something that looks like how his shadow form looked like in the movie (a blob that looks just a teeny tiny bit like Thanatos) however in FES he transforms into Thanatos and that detail is just lost for those who didn't play the game in 3d.
There's also the ending, it's not animated in P3P, it just has the white sprite of SEES appear then disappear, in FES it actually scrolls down by chronological order + you have the anime cutscenes being replayed in the top right corner.
And let's be real here, it's much more emotional seeing something actually happen then seeing an image (case and point, what happened to Shinji)
Oh and just to let you know, Fate Extra exists on the PSP, that game is almost the same as far as the gameplay format is concerned (you have a school and a dungeon + some extra stuff) + it looks much better than P3P and is a 3d game. I still don't understand how Fate Extra can exist on the PSP but Persona 3 FES can't. Heck, it looks better than even FES. Other than size the PSP can probably run an optimized + compressed and worse looking version of FES at locked 30 FPS (the game runs at 60 on PS2) and I guess make The Answer a downloadable DLC to save space.
P1 PSX is such a interesting experience, I think more people should try to give it a try even with the script, but PSP is fine I guess if you want only the story
I LOVE PSP, but I really can’t get into PSX
I've played both, definitely preferred the psp versions, but the music for the psx versions hits different tho, it feels more immersive??? Idk, That's about it ig
I'm personally a story-over-gameplay guy ngl
That's a remarkably civil take for the guy who enjoys complaining about the PSP soundtrack in the comments of just about every track in the game.
The music in the PSP version is such a bob tbh, i know people don't like it that much because it doesn't fit the theme of a demon invasion but it's still a bop
6:20 You can switch it to be per turn in PS1 too. In combat go to Strategy > Battle Mode > Simple. In simple it will have everyone go through turns and then bring up input menu once everyone in combat moved. It still allows you to cancel it at any point if you feel things are getting hairy. You also don't need to reinsert commands. Just tweak order if you're aiming for a fusion spell.
6:50 Once again in combat menu Config > Battle Setup > Simple
I can relate to your opinion on Persona 3 versions, although I did it in reverse. I played P3P first both male and female routes before finally delving into P3FES much later, and FES definitely was still fun to play and kept my attention even of I knew the general gist of what was coming. The gameplay style changes alone really make thw two standout, and I dont think one is inherently better than the other which is great
Nope FES is better enough said, I played both btw
To each their own. I do personally enjoy FES a bit more myself but I won't deny that I really liked the alt story/protag of P3P, and the modern conveniences like full party control made me feel better about using certain party members that I felt were underwhelming in FES. The changes to the Tired status also were much better implemented in P3P in my opinion. So discreditting what P3P does well seems a bit short sighted just cause you or I think FES is better
@@Raizearche I mean there really wasn't any need for full control over party members, I had the option but I never really needed to use it unless for a boss, also while I did like the alt character, I felt the writing was fit more for p4 than p3, plus I really missed the epiloge for fes
@@dream6562 For the visual presentation and story yes. For everything else it's debatable.
yo can someone tell me whats the song in the conclusion part of the video at 19:40 ?
IMO I wish they do a rerealease of Persona 3 mixing both FES and Portable, add the graphics, animated cutscenes and The Answer from FES, and add Portable quality of life improvments and Female Route.
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True!!!
Jeez, it's not like it's the second coming of Christ.
That'd be P3. xD
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As a worm I do use only two modified versions but one is just the PS1 music and the other is the direct control for FES but that does not change my experience on how I enjoyed them the very first time I played them as a kid. As a long time fan even though Persona 1 released on the year I was born. Has been some of my favorite games. Other than Resident Evil and Zombies Ate My Neighbors and of course Wild Arms. I was blown away finding out there was a second story in 1 when I saw the PSP version in 2009. Just brings a smile to my face seeing a video of someone encouraging people to play the originals.
With Persona 1 I definitely lean more towards Japanese MIP/Revelations due to the presentational changes in the PSP and even though that mod (which I know the people who worked on it) is really cool and fixes the music, the sound design is honestly completely different and it doesn't feel right to someone like me who has been so used to the original. Also for Japanese players there is a weird presentational thing in the PsP version with the animated cutscenes only being subtitled and having no voices while the English version is fully dubbed. I thought that was extremely strange. With p2is one of the biggest advantages the PsP has over the original was scrapped from the western release with the dungeon builder and DLC quests being removed. I don't think there's any ongoing projects to restore that unfortunately, Western players really missed out with those DLC quests made by Satomi Tadashi
Even though the music does not fit the tone anymore I fricking love the psp vocal tracks so much. Let butterflies spread until the dawn, bloody destiny, and lone prayer are all so so good
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 THIS, and I still like the psp music way more, even Kama palace
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 I wish they were a bit longer personally. They're good tracks even if they don't fit as well, but they loop very early that to me it feels like the songs are missing something. Like Lone Prayer is good but it feels like it ends a bit too early before going back to the start.
I think the cutscenes didn't have any voice acting because atlus japan doesn't do recasts on voices.
yo can someone tell me whats the song in the conclusion part of the video at 19:40 ?
I think the main reason why P3P has so many compromises mostly comes down to the fact a UMD holds 900MB (on a single layer disc) or 1.8GB on a dual layer. I mean P3P uses the same engine as FES. So I think that’s the main reason is just storage :)
Thanks man. Thanks to your video, I finished FES first. It was a blast, now I plan to play portable, then RELOAD
Pretty awesome we finally have the English patch for EP
It is Makoto Yuki from Persona 3
@@BitchChill for the sony playstation 2 and playstation portable developed by atlus now currently owned by sega soon to be ported to the nintendo switch, sony playstation 4 and 5, microsoft windows operating system, microsoft xbox series x/s and the microsoft xbox one
@@BitchChill featuring Dante from Devil May Cry.
At this point, Persona 2 could be released as a full game with the option to play Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment or play them both as a full story.
i really hope someday they’ll rerelease them like this exactly, the way capcom did with the ace attorney investigations collection
Mods are actually essential to get the best experience with the original Persona - The PSP version of Persona patched with the PS1 music.
The fact that we have P3:Reload coming out and Atlus STILL haven't released FES or even the original p3 on console marketplaces makes me wonder if they lost the original code.
I think the engine for it is now under EA
@@Eyesharted50 uses the same exact engine as p4. So its very unlikely
@@selfloathingweekly p4g uses a different engine than OG p4.
I think that for P3, played the Portable version for main story since they did add more dialogues compare to the original, some even add new context like Junpei's Ultimate Persona is a fusion with Chidori's Persona. Then play FES for The Answer only, maybe with Party Command mod to consistent with Portable gameplay.
I'm playing the PSP Persona 1 version because of hype waiting for the PC ports and translations and I was expecting something that felt older but I was surprised in a good way, the game feels right most of the time, I did not knew about the music and audio being different from the original, I'll check if I like it better with that mod mentioned in the video.
yo can someone tell me whats the song in the conclusion part of the video at 19:40 ?
@@justagamer1160 i think its the wiping all out ryota kozuka remix song! u can kinda hear the resemblance at 1:35
@@alyssarasmussen1723 thanks for the info , but it has been a year and i already have found it haha . Now im looking forward to the persona 3 reload ost to come out in good quality .
@@justagamer1160 np lol and same XD
I thought this was just gonna be some annoying whiny video saying that the OG versions of the games suck and the remasters are good because they're "newer" but I'm glad to see that the video was (mostly) unbiased and raised good points for playing each game. Cool video
the enhanced version such as the Fes, Golden and royale are my favorite. i mean i don't know why atlus got lazy with the pc version and decided to have the P3P. What they could have done is to consider that the pc has a lot more memory, power and storage which means they could have gone the route of putting the elements of P3P like the female protagonist and the other social links and combine it with the playstyle of FES. i dont see myself playing a novel game on my pc. but im definitely going to play the royale version again.
Tbh they should just release both FES and Portable to get the best of both worlds, everyone wins...except for our wallets of course
As someone who has never played them, my plan is to play all the PSP ones, as I have a hacked PSP. For 4, I have the PS2 version on PS3 that I got for very cheap a while ago. If I ever see Golden on Switch for a good price, and I still haven't played it, I'll get it for that. For 5 is going to be Royal on Switch.
If you're gonna play P3P, you should probably do it through emulation. With the HD texture packs available for PPSSPP the game looks so good, especially the character sprites (as seen in this video).
persona 3 reload is easily gonna become the best way to play 3
for most people, yes. i can see that being the case. i can't wait to play it :)
Imo it's still not the definitive version
When P3 Portable came to PS4 and Switch, I was so disappointed that you couldn’t walk around the world or watch cutscenes that I went and bought a PS2 and a copy of FES, so far, I definitely prefer FES
The enemy stats are also lowered by about 20-30% in the PSP version of Innocent Sin
Not that the PS1 ver was a particularly difficult game, but psp's hard mode only barely matches the original difficulty
january 19th is so close i am so excited to play persona 3 for the first time. i had no idea there were so many different options of the lfrst three games, cause i've only recently got into the persona series (p5 royal which i bought in February of last year... had to start over last month tho cause i couldn't carry over my save data to my new console :/). thank you for the video, I've been enjoying going through your 'older' ones too.
Same, I just hope I can beat persona 4 golden before it comes out tho.
I started Portable as my first P3 experience ad it just wasn’t hooking me. Which was surprising, as I do play a lot of VN and didn’t think I’d mind. It just felt like I was missing details. So I switched over to FES and everything clicked. The story seemed more clear (in portable for example I didn’t even realize Tartarus was at your school, somehow).
Portable feels like a great way to do a 2nd playthrough to me. You’re less likely to miss details since you already know the story. Something about actually moving around the town in a 3D space just had me more invested.
How do you not know that tartarus was at your school do you not pay attention? i think your one of those people who can't play a visual novel properly because you don't pay attention enough
how the hell tartarus 💀
P3P at the end will destroy u especially on harder difficulty playthroughs. I'm having that experience with p3 reload rn cuz I never played the og fes.
Awesome video man. I havent played any persona first hand, but ive been a fan for awhile and really wanted to i just havent had the means. But now with them finally coming to switch im gonna start. This video helped me a lot!
glad to help
I'm usually for faithful remakes too... unless they're Pokemon BDSP. (But that's mostly because I thought the original DP could do with a lot of improvements)
There are three versions of Persona 3. FES, Portable, and the one nobody plays because maxing all Social Links was somehow EVEN WORSE than FES.
I definitely agree with you on reverse Social Links. They should still exist, just get rid of the jealousy system. It was even worse in FES because the male MC doesn't even have the option of platonic routes.
I agree that part of the beauty of P3 is both versions (we don't talk about non-FES PS2) give very different experiences on what's broadly the same story.
I never really thought of that before but yeah, Golden's additions were more substantial expansions on the formula than I thought. And on Golden being exploitable, well... sure, but P5R is MUCH worse in that regard.
17:50 LolYosuke'sLevel.
I'd say Golden is worth picking over PS2 just for Kanji and Naoto's moveset improvements along. (To a lesser extent Chie, who is now crit focused)
And you have the same opinion on Royal I do. I love its new additions, like guns actually being good, Technical being a consistent way to fight enemies with no weaknesses instead of needing to rely on Lucky Punch and Akechi actually being a good character this time. The main downside though is how incredibly easy it is compared to vanilla P5.
In Golden, you at least has to kind of go out of your way to grind Persona stats. In Royal, Special Treatment + Alarm or Ryuji Rank 7 + Jose Mementos Exp Boost is ALL you need to make the gameplay effortless. In my LP I've having to actively hold myself back and I still haven't Game Overed yet up to the 3rd Palace. The boss changes also make most of them significantly easier than the original, with the exception of Okumura. (Who's my favourite boss precisely BECAUSE it's a challenge) Merciless doesn't solve these issues, because tripling Technical damage actually makes a lot of fights EASIER.
Anyway, great video as always.
You got a review code! Nice.
i usually always use yosuke in my party. i used magic based parties on my first two times playing persona 4 (yosuke, yukiko, and naoto). this time i went for a mostly physically built party (chie, yukiko, kanji). definitely better for taking down gold shadows, though quite a few bosses like to cock block you with their 50% pseudo-resistance.
I just tend to use everyone, rotating them around. But Chie is pretty good for gold hangs up until Naoto joins. (Then it's just Megidololon, gold hands have a huge pseudo-weakness to Almighty)
At least this isn't Persona 4 Vanilla, where Tough Guy in the Shadow Kanji fight drained Physical. That fight got nerfed the hardest in Golden but I'm okay with it since the original was pretty bullcrap. (No weaknesses, they have Heat Riser) For Yukiko they gave her an Ice weakness but doubled her HP, and every other boss was untouched I'm pretty sure.
They couldn't even remaster the platinum version
@@ruudga1028 HGSS were my favourite remakes, they kept everything good about the originals, fixed what sucked (e.g Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest were added back in to Kanto, Blaine's Gym became an actual Gym), included some parts of Crystal, and added enough new content to feel worthwhile as new entries in the series.
I think golden is easier than royal due to how much faster you can exploit it.
I'd really like to see a full P1 PSX fan translation come to fruition someday. I suppose I always could just play the PSP with modded music, but PSX sounds a lot more interesting.
I know some people are trying to port over the PSP script to PSX, but I also think it would be interesting to have an alternate fan translation that "Revelationizes" the Snow Queen quest just to see how it might have played out had Atlus translated it in the 90s as well
12:02 That's exactly what I noticed from these people. They could very well be the same people who will hate the original book than the film based on the book because they rather watch the story rather than read through it, even though the film doesn't always make the best changes from the book. Another thing to note about a few more Portable changes which are actually pretty good. For one, there was an Inari shrine in FES where when you pray to it, anything can happen and it takes up the whole day. In Portable, the Inari shrine no longer does that, it's now used to make copies of skill cards and it doesn't take up time at all, but will take 5 in-game days, which is much more useful and convenient. Portable is the first game in the series to introduce this type of mechanic that you can do with skill cards and that since Portable, it's been carried over to all future Persona games. Persona 4 Golden would have it with with Marie and Persona 5 would have it with Yusuke. And the second nice addition is after the full moon operation with the Empress and Emperor, you unlock this whole new series of side quests where a person will end up lost in Tartarus and you have to go in to save them before the next full moon because if you don't, they will die, and on a few rare occasions, this will happen to your Social Links too and if you don't save them, not only will they die, but your Social Link with them will stop at its' current rank. This is personally one of my favorite additions in Portable because all it does is it gives us new things to do in Tartarus, it helps people plan their Tartarus trips better and we get extra rewards from it too. And speaking of which, one other difference between FES and Portable has to do with the 'tired/sick' mechanic. In FES, this is purely based on how much fighting you do in the Dark Hour, and because of this, you aren't able to do everything in one Tartarus trip like you can do in Persona 4 and 5, you have to take multiple trips in Tartarus in order to be able to do everything before the next full moon. In Portable, this was altered so that it's no longer based on stamina, but it's more based on strength and level where basically, you don't just get more and more tired just from defeating enemies regardless of what level they are, you only get really tired if you try to fight an enemy who's stronger than you and you're too low leveled. And one thing connected to this mechanic which I'm a little bit sad it's gone in Portable is the late night time period where you choose to either sleep early or study then sleep. Though, I can understand why they changed this because yeah, what's the point of having this risk choice if the tired mechanic has been changed up to be more based on strength and level than stamina and thus, you don't get tired as much?
Also, If I want to talk about perhaps my biggest problem with Royal, which is the new story content basically feels like Persona 3 FES if The Answer were to be included in The Journey playthrough disguised as the new story content from Persona 4 Golden and that Metis were to actually appear in The Journey storyline, she has a Social Link and given as much screentime as possible, but barely given a part in the main story in terms of being a party member, even if there is one part in the story where you want her to be there as a party member, the game will basically force the characters to not let her join because the people at Atlus are worried about the hardcore Persona fans who expects everything about the main story to be the same and if they see one slight change or addition, they'll get mad over it, and it's only until The Answer where Metis actually becomes relevant to the story and become a full on party member. That is pretty much what Persona 5 Royal feels like in terms of new story content as a whole.
to be fair tho, when the source material is intended to be animated and have action and movement it makes it a lot less engaging and impactful when its turned into lower quality animation or a slideshow with walls of text
@@Yeen66 You could say the same thing with action films that get their own books.
@@spydersoup8447 those are usually new stories, intended as books. Not a story intended to be animated forced into awkward slideshows. The beginning cutscenes in base p3 and fes has so much going on and is instantly iconic, the same cutscene in p3p feels like a hollow shell in comparison
@@Yeen66 I can understand this, but most of the cutscenes in Persona 3 do already rely mainly on dialogue, but it's true that there are scenes that do turn off people without actual animated cutscenes, a good example of this is the Social Link with Koromaru. With those, all you need is your imagination, which is the point of reading through books.
@@spydersoup8447 Well I can't find any logic behind what you're saying. Playing Persona 3 Portable for the story as the Male MC is just stupid (unless it's your only way to play P3) if you're not bothered by FES' gameplay. The presentation just ruins all emotional moments for the story especially since you have to really use your imagination to see how the state of the characters and even to know what's happening.
Found this in my recommended, this video is great! Surprised you only have 8k subs because your content is well made. Keep it up!
I've been emulating persona 5 on my shitty PC barely getting those 30 fps yes it was difficult yes it had sound glitches sometimes but DAMM that game is impressive in the way that it really shows a change it's the same surprise I had when going from persona 3 fes to persona 4. On my old PS2
The only sad part is that these releases got announced as I was getting to the last dungeon. I decided to stop playing so that I will be motivated to start again but DAMM I wish they announced it earlier.
I wish they announced it before getting myself all worked up in the last two months to buy a PS5 with P5R, P4G on Steam and a modded PS3 for P1, P2 and P3
persona 5 royal is coming to PC so wait for it.
Bro literally get the ps3 version on the ps3 emulator if not get a ps5 it’s easy tbh all you have to do is sign up pre hand to Best Buy target Sony etc and they’ll notify with a email that is for you to get in line I got 3
@@fabolousjada5070 it's obvious that u don't have neither of those consoles because it's very expensive in my country. That's why I emulate.
@@fabolousjada5070 I don't live in a country with those stores, guess I'll just not play it lmao
Thoughts on Persona 3 Reload?
Ohhhh, when I read the title, I thought you were going to go over the best overall strategy in each game
But this is really cool too 😆
Also I think a video about mods would be really interesting
I don't have a lot of experience using them except for a couple times where I tried modding Undertale
So it'd be cool seeing a video talking about the Persona mods out there.
@@CheesyLizzy yeah. the more i think about it, the better the idea sounds. we'll see how it goes later down the line. probably not until after 3 and 5 have come to steam.
18:11
It sucks that a lot of people won't see the original P5 ending. I personally loved that one way more than the P5R ending
Never played P5, Only ever got the Royal version, And funny enough I played thu P5R 3 times before i learned there was a third semester, I was getting the vanilla ending everytime, So when i finally did it right and got the new Royal content i freaking loved it, The whole Maruki reality thing was honestly the most intriguing part of the game for me, Loved what they did with Akechi, Glad i experienced that part of the game, But i will say i also preferred the OG P5 ending, It was like the perfect Persona ending IMO, I like ending it with the Phantom Theives all together, Much happier ending than leaving alone.
@@butterschunkmcdonalds5333 that's the biggest part for me. They were together all year, so then just leaving him alone instead of driving Joker to his hometown made me sad
@@Dastardly_Duo Exactly, Like I liked the whole Maruki arc but I was actually upset when he shows up and you get in his car instead of the van lol i also liked Morgana stealing the part from the agents car when they drive off, That part always makes me smile, Fits the Phantom Theives better IMO than getting legit chased off by the feds at the end.
I wish there was a way to combine that difficulty of Persona 5 into Royal. Royal is fantastic on every front and the grapple hook does so much in so little time. But that difficulty is stupid easy compared to what P5 original had.
My main grapples are the gun and the showtime mechanic, in P5 original I enjoyed how they force a limit. If you wanted to use bullets you saved them for the enemy's you knew could take them hard because they could easily kill anything. In Royal I found myself just spamming the gun alot more often.
With Showtime while an amazing mechanic that's fun, it always came out anytime I was about to either destroy an enemy or about to lose to an enemy. It was honestly more of a blue eyes white dragon of getting out of situations or dunking on them.
But that's honestly my main complaints, I spent a good 12 hours in tycoon tho because god damn was that such a nice breather from having to replay what I've already done before.
I love “P3P”, but I just downloaded “P3: FES” with a patch for controllable characters!
Yea same, also a cheat that disables the tired status
Been binging your videos so thank you! This helps a lot somebody who wants to play all games chronologically, in order of release!
I only half agree on the removal of the jealousy system. its critiques are overblown, given how much time/hang with other girl sessions it takes (60 days, subtract 15 off the counter if you spend time with another girl (Maiko and Aigis excluded)), and it is much more accurate to what a real relationship would be like, especially among teenagers. I would address it in several potential ways:
1. Ideally, MC should get friendzone routes. This is a given because I still haven't done the 4 other girls because I don't want to cheat on Chihiro, however you can add a gameplay benefit to it too: The Jealousy Mechanic only comes into play if you choose to enter a romantic relationship with the girl. This provides a more rewarding Social Link and more experiences with the girl (that'd be added in a hypothetical P3 Remake), while the Friendzone route provides easier completion with the removal of Jealousy.
2. Change the amount of days removed based on the girl's personality. Someone who (seems) easy-going like Yuko would remove only 10 days off the counter making her more lenient, while someone more prone to jealousy like Chihiro would remove 20. This adds more personality through gameplay and adds more strategy to planning your social links. You could have some sort of indicator of this (Jealousy Type or something like that) in the Social Link menu.
3. The Tokimeki Memorial approach: Just add the menu indicator in the SL Menu so a player can see how a girl might be feeling, then you can plan on hanging with her to diffuse her if she's getting close to going off.
Gotta say that i appreciate the censoring of the spoilers in the gameplay footage. Way too many people just toss out spoilers for no good reason.
I feel like megaten fans are allergic to the opposite of reading, which is why they play smt instead of pokemon
Fun fact_ The PSX version of EP also has wallpaper option for the Menus and text box, usually stuff like changin the backgrounds to Seven Sisters logo, Baofu and the Dark Side of Sumaru City, NWO or my favourite Jack Frost faces hahaha.
We don't know yet what, if any, changes will be made to Persona 3 Portable Remaster. I'm hoping Atlus takes advantage of the more powerful hardware and at least puts the original anime cutscenes back in.
It's not a remaster. It's a garbage port of a garbage version. The only way to play Persona 3 is to emulate P3 FES on PC and use the amazing graphics mod currently developed by the fans. It's almost fully finished. P3Portable is the same exact PSP version with resolution adapted. P4 Golden on PC is not a remaster either.
Bruh it's already confirmed, there's 60fps and widescreen support and that's it. The game is upscaled but it's using a pretty shitty AI cause were artifacts in the trailer. Even the most popular fanmade hd upsclae for P3P on PPSSPP looks better.
Regarding to Golden and Royal, I agree, however. Having played the originals without DLC, I was surprised to hear my friends having played the game(s) without doing any of the velvet room confidants/SL or special fusions.... heck fusion in general. Not that the persona games are designed to be hard but I dont know if its a good design to have the dlc persona unlockable at the start.
I agree, the FFIV PSP version was amazing! Not as hard/difficult as they made the DS version since FF III was a hard game and also on the DS but still amazing.
Thansk for this video. NEver played persona games and I'm about to start this journey.
FES with controllable party members is not even a mod it's just a cheat code
How do you use it?
@@XxDanielxX-eo6iy they are referencing the fact that the game is not balanced for controllable party members and the difficulty becomes an absolute joke.
WOWWZA, What an amazing video bubble
"Dont use mods for your first playthrough" fuck that, play P3FES with the HD texture pack, party control mod, and the newmoon patch.
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I don't really mind that the main char would only hold a certain type of weapon since the best play in any smt or persona game you always should focus on spells attacks anyway. Leave the powerhouse to your partner
Remember Persona 4 Golden on PS Vita includes a crap ton of extra content in the TV mode like concerts, expanded music player and trailers/cutscenes to each game (THIS IS ONLY IN THE VITA VERSION, NOT THE RERELEASE!)
For a second playthrough of Royal, if you do want to use mods I'd highly recommend Custom Bonus Tweaks, it's by some of the same modders as P5EX for the PS3 version and adds a whole bunch of little tweaks that improve the experience significantly. I'd also recommend some 'fixes' mods like the one that stops the shadow quality from changing to medium after every loading screen, and the texture fixes project.
Wait; did you mention the extra story content you get from Persona 2 Innocent Sin if you play in on the PSP? You get some extra dungeons and some story bits in there so that's not a bad addition to those who want it. (I'm talking about the Climax Theater)
It worth it play the psp version for that?
P2 innocent sin battle system on psp isn't the worst, but it's definitely the slowest and forces you to use the automode even more than the psx version.
I don't agree with you on the mods thing, last time I put a cheat that reduces random encounters, it was the best decision tbh.
I started playing the series from the very 1st version the OG ps1 version now I'm on persona 2 innocent sin ps1 version as well I'm loving every time I play it and I'm also considering to watch the anime adaptations
There’s just something about this series that feels just soo much better on a portable.. But I may be biased being I’d played through P4G on Vita first..
I look forward to seeing P5R on Switch and I’ll probably keep my PS4 version as a backup
While I agree with you on the mods thing (sans translation ofc). I think the direct input fes mod would’ve been good to mention due to its sheer popularity.
DC mod needs no introduction. like you said, it’s popular as it is. plus i’d rather not be that guy who introduces that mod to people who haven’t even played the game yet.
IVE SAID IT BEFORE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN ATLUS SCREW THEMSELVES OVER THE ORGINAL OPENINGS AND AESTHETICS OF THE BASE GAME ARE THE BEST
P5R got rid of the Flu exploit on the Grim Reaper 😂
I didn’t do it my first playthrough of 5, but my subsequent playthroughs I abused it heavily 😂
I never saw the grim reaper in my playthrough
@@strecxiu2134 Clean any Mementos floor and just wait, resting areas excluded of course. Note: for some reason if you provoke him directly instead of letting him get the drop he becomes a lot more aggressive, so do with that information what you wish.
Gonna mention it here since the video glossed over it, the official translation on PSP is vastly superior to the PS1 fan translation, so if you're interested in story, it's definitely the version you should be playing, as it reads much better and is more accurate.
I got into Persona game from watching Occultic;Nine then i started with P3P and holy shit, only game that makes you feel in highschool all over again xD
I’d agree with your points on P5/P5R. The only reason I’d say to play P5 is if you want a more challenging experience. While many of the things P5R added were cool, it made the game feel very easy, even on higher difficulties. Whereas on P5, if you’re playing on the highest difficulty you really have to plan and be prepared for each dungeon.
FES will always win because you can enjoy nice social link cutscenes. Like Elizabeth and the escalator.
Personally, when I know a bit too much about an SMT/Persona game, I personally like to add mods that make my playthrough more comfortbale (like SMT5V's old styled buffs or extra personas) just want to enjoy it as such in general
i honestly love the system of not being able to control your party members in p3fes. it made it more difficult and i loved it
Difficulty should be fair and not up to rng. I don't see how your characters guessing what to do is enjoyable in any way
Persona 3 FES, easy choice for me.
Disregarding that I'm still only on my first playthrough for it, I don't really see what modding could really offer me for Persona 3 FES; I think it looks fine, I play Ocarina of Time regularly enough to not feel violated by the existence of older 3D rendering.
Tactics commands... my only real issue is not having access to most of the commands until the second half of The Journey; I very much enjoy the feeling that the other party members are autonomous and not simply just a third, fourth, fifth arm for me to have direct control over, and learning how to work around particular party compositions is very enjoyable for me. Knowing how the party members are programmed to behave probably helps with this as I can scan a boss - not get any affinity reads for myself - and then watch what the rest of my party does to try and discern the boss' affinities, for example.
I've only briefly touched The Answer because I do kind of want to finish The Journey before I commit a full playthrough to The Answer, but the brief no-save run I did of The Answer felt like a high-lights reel of *almost* everything I came to Person 3 FES for in the first place (if you exclude me rushing half an hour of constant cutscenes because I want to enjoy the story on the full playthrough).
I actually made it to the first boss in The Answer and came close to cracking it before running out of resources (I went in on next to no SP against my better judgement because it was a throw-away run).
Have to say though, I don't know that I could do P3P because I *really* like using ranged weapons to better gain the advantage in battle, which is another point towards enjoying The Answer because Aigis' guns generally feel like snappier bows with better telegraphed ranged when roaming out of battle.
this guy gets it.
Totally the video i needed today! Thanks!
I never played p3fes, only P3P and it was amazing. Wish FES would come to the switch.
im so excited to get p3 and p4 on switch!!! i got into persona 5 like two years ago and i love it so much, and recently i've been looking at the older ones. i was considering getting p3 for my ps2, but i couldn't find anyone selling it + it's coming out on switch so, might as well just get it in january. i have a feeling i'm really gonna love them, i've watched a few clips on youtube and they both look super fun. i have gotten a few spoilers for persona 4, actually a major spoiler but i don't mind since i got *all* of persona 5 spoiled before i played it haha
edit: i did not mean to make this comment so long lol
The most convenient, affordable, visually speaking, is going to be the Xbox series version on game pass.
It's just great to enjoy almost every persona game on Xbox, through Xbox 360 backwards compatible or remastered version on game pass.
Everyone using game pass should try them out. I think x cloud could be perfect for this game, as persona na games are generally not affected by latency. Play on smart phone on the go is going to be great.
What a chad, this guy blurs out syory spoilers for new players in this video.
new marsh and bubbletea today, megaten fans eating good tonight
Ive played all of my persona on portable device. So I did buy p5 on my ps4 but.... never finished it. Now I got a steamdeck... so freaking happy. Persona 5 Royal on the go baby (also been playing Fes and golden up to the release of Royale). God I love my deck. I'm also happy for the swicth peoples
and now we have p3RE which makes the divide EVEN BIGGER
The best way to experience Persona 1 is the manga imo
Is really good, and Naoya is an awesome protagonist
lmao, im sensing you dont like junpei after seeing he's level 24
As far as P3 goes I don’t know that I could say Portable is the definitive version like some people think, when it has no overworld. I still maintain that to fully experience P3, you have to play FES as the male MC (controllable party mod if you want to make it easier) and then play Portable as the female MC.
Yeah, it also ruins some of the moments form the story.
@@thegamerfe8751 it doesn't
@@mizzix explain
@@thegamerfe8751 there is nothing to explain, it just doesn't, it's literally the scenes adapted into a vn format, you can perfectly understand everything that is happening so long as you care to read like the game wants you to.
@@mizzix no, just don't fucking assume I didn't read. I played multiple VNs before (Fate Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia, Stein's Gate, DDLC, Amagami ebKore, all of Danganronpa and Clannad), since all of them were made as being VNs the creators managed to make everything work perfectly but because P3P is originally a 3d game with 3d cutscenes and anime cutscenes there was no effort put into changing it into a VN, they just removed all cutscenes and changed it into pictures without adding the stuff needed to make a story in VN format work and that hurt the story experience.
I played P3P first then FES and I found myself enjoying the game's story much more in FES.
I'm playing the Golden n my strategy is simple, I'll try to do all the social links, but I'll date only one girl per run, it includes secondary girls, in my first run I'm with Yukiko, next will be Chie or the secondary girls, my plan is to safe Marie or Naoto for the last run, I already have Marie max link tho
a lot of playthroughs and not alot of links for the amount of time you get
marie is also a girlfriend that doesn’t conflict with all the other girls so realistically you can date marie all runs and see no repercussions
@@chrisseith2284 Yeah, but I don't wanna do it since the game punishes harem, having two girls is bad, even with no in game bad ending
recommendation play reload (i know this video is old)
Tbh I prefer P3P over Fes for the male route too, mainly bc of the qol improvements
I played Persona 1 (SEBEC and SQQ) a couple months ago on the PSP and really enjoyed it. Then, I decided to play a bit of the Japanese PS1 version last week - using a script and Google translate - and found myself enjoying the music and atmosphere a lot more. The only downsides were that I had to have the script open at all times and that I couldn’t skip battle animations.
To anyone dissatisfied with the PSP version, maybe try playing Megami Ibunroku with a script. It might be slower, but I found myself more immersed compared to the PSP version, and I haven’t even beaten Ibunroku
PS1 Persona 1 is the superior version. The Western release is fine.
Persona 5 is such an special case for me. I played P5 3 times. One on my PS3, then one month later on my new Ps4 at the time (paid twice for the full price game), and then again before I had money for the royal (which I've got on a deal on PSN). I have P5 physical nowadays but I don't have P5R because it's a pain to find a copy here. Anyways, by playing P5 and essentially starting P5R right away I caught so, fucking, many, differences. It's insane, so much so that I really wish someone did an in-depth features and changes from versions, not only in big mechanics because they changed every single small thing you can immagine.
That being said, P5 actually holds itself off real good, if you give someone who never played Persona 5, the original game today, they will still feel it's a finished game. It's absurdly polished, and yes, the chances you have to break the game only happens end game, P5R adds stuff that breaks the game before the third dungeon if you ignore DLC. And since you have all the OG DLC, you know what happens. I'm still annoyed with the female Orpheus DLC where she's like, level 11, and has Neo Cadenza, which heals 50% + All of the Kaja spells in one for all party, that's like a super Heat-Rizer for all your party right in front of you from Kamoshida's palace. That's insane.
There are a lot of smaller changes and big changes, and Royal succeed in making you not wanting to play P5, just because it fixes the smaller things that annoyed everyone in the long run, changed certain dungeons to have less padding, cut short win battle animations so you have to click only once to see all your spoils, and so on and so on.
Even so, if I ever get to a situation where I can't play P5R and can only play P5, I will be able to play it without being absurdly annoyed by it, because overall, the game is very well done. After all, it took them almost ten years to make it. P3 AND P4 are not that... easy, to play the og versions. P4 is harder than P4G, true, but overall P4G feels more complete. P4 lacks something, and it's simple: It lacks freedom. P5 may force you to sleep way too much, I agree, but you still can play 80% of the callendar day and night no problem.
Also, just for you to have a sense of scope, if you ever play P5, try NOT using the fast travel mechanics for two or three days in-game, and you'll see how absurdly well done it is. It's so easy to get lost, they suceed into making shibuya the labyrinth it truly is.
Anyway, I agree with you too. To me, P3P is only worth if you play FemC. If your first time playing Persona 3, you should play FES. The 2D graphics removes some of the charm Iwatodai has. P3P adds a lot of good features, but I'm still wondering why they added quick travel there if it's so damn fast to travel between screens when you're just a flloating dot.
And in deffence of every single one who hates the Visual Novel, I am a great lover of Visual Novels, and PErsona 3 Script was NOT adapted to a Visual Novel format.
This means a certain character dies for another in Persona 3 Portable and the script tells the scene as if you're watching the 3D models doing their shit, they never go in-depth describing what's happening and since they didn't draw any new cutscenes for these moments, you will be seeing Tartarus'front door a lot, while sprites come and go with their EXPRESSIVENESS during emootional scenes. To this day I still wonder, how they wanted me to feel bad when a party member goes away when they didnt bother to describe the scenes correctly since most of them lacks CGs anyways. P3Fes however made me care for those characters, and know that I had a PSP when I discovered Persona 3, so I played the PSP first. And frankly as much as we have a lot of good gameplay changes in portable, Portable really forgets to remember people may have not played P3 or P3F, because it expects you to know how the scenes actually play so you can have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain. Really.
Spoilers: When Jumpei sees Shidori survived in Portable, it felt meh for me, once I watched the same scene on FES, I understood what happened in full. I dunno why, but frankly, Portable just don't explain shit, and remember: I play a shit ton Visual Novels, if you lack a CG or a 2D specific image to tell a scene, you need to explain every, single, piece of information the protagonist sees. And P3 scrip tells that thinking you're seeing what he's seeing on a 3D envrioment, externalized of him. While P3P should be telling the same events from a first person perspective, not an externalized version of that like P3F and P3 does.
"because it expects you to know the scenes actually play so you have some sort of emotion being triggered in your brain"
Me who cried during a certain someone's death while playing the game completely blind: ok
I respectful disagree with portable not explaining shit too. I understood everything perfectly and i quite honestly fail to see how someone wouldn't unless they're just spamming x to go through the text(i also had no experience with visual novels up to that point so i don't see how you couldn't understand it while having more experience with the genre). The presentantion being worse than fes is a fact, but to say that you can't understand what is happening is a huge stretch.
I know, I just started playing P3P and it's way more different than P3F was to the original P3. I understand now why P3P is seen as the remake by Atlus. I can only imagine how much different P4G will be, let alone P5R.
Honestly, one reason why I prefer the re-release and not the originals is because most of the time, I can only play them with the console I currently have. Like with Persona 3 or 4, I only had the PSP and PSVita at the time so I couldn't play them on the PS2 and PS3 respectively. The only exception is Persona 5, which I played first on the PS3, but moved to the Switch when I got it because I prefer handhelds. (It's also the main reason I got the Switch TBH)
FInally got the guts to try Shin Megami Tensei, but I'll play the first persona game first cause it seems like a good gap, I'm in love with the SNES SMT games so I really want to play with the original music (I got a glimpse of it in P5S and it rocks) so I hope the mod to restore is complete by now
You said no mods, but P1 PSP with the music patch is the best imo. I'd prefer the best of two worlds for the artistic intent of the devs and a streamlined battle menu that's faster and has better readability. Its not that different based on what I played of both.
that's why i briefly mentioned it in the video.
Great vid bro!
thank you my guy
Here's to hoping that the Switch release of P3 combines FES and Portable to give a real definitive version of P3.
So how does persona 3 reloaded match up?
Fantastic video, loved the editing I left a sub look forward to more
real bubbletea fans remember the old thumbnail
Royal on the switch with the 60fps mod and a slight overclock has been so goddamn good lately 😍
Best order to begin: 3 -> 4 > play a shin megami tensei (maybe nocturne, strange journey or devil survivor) > 1 > 2 part 1 >2 part 2 > 5.
i actually began the series by watching 3 fes and then watching 4 then playing 5 then playing 3 for a bit on emulator then 5 on royal then 4 golden on pc
why don't you play all of the smt games while you're at it
Counter argument: the best order to begin is the one that interests you most and going from there
Oh god, i want to play these games now, i cant wait to 21 october to they release it on game pass.