Yup, I think it’s neat and influential enough to the design it’s worth adding something to mention it, and the current builds that still make it happen as the main goal even without spirit guide
When I got my first magic product (Duel decks, goblins vs merfolk) I wondered why this card would ever be good. Gotta play lands right? Later I discovered its true power.
I just wanted to say that I've been binging all your videos for 3-4 years now. Thank you for your hard work. And don't be discouraged if series like these get less views or likes, because there are plenty of people like me who love them :) take care
Anyone else enjoy seeing these in their Recommended list and like leaving them there for a while to build anticipation? I really enjoy this series, but I don't always watch the new episodes when they drop because the deep dives require more attention to engage with, but I always watch them eventually because they're so good and that engagement is rewarding. I enjoy binging these too, so saving up a few episodes to watch all at once is nice.
I attempted to make this deck work in standard during the Mirrodin Block, using Proteus Staff + Sound the Alarm + Charbelcher. Sound the Alarm makes 2 tokens that I use to activate the staff. The staff reveals the top cards of my deck until I hit a creature, then arrange order of the revealed cards on the bottom of my deck. Since I dont run creatures, the card allows me to re-arrange the entire deck for a lethal Charbelcher next turn Unfortunately, the strategy is not only vulnerable (I remember Mirrodin had a good number of artifact hate), but its slow as f*** to pull off O.O I just ended up running a mono-white deck with several equipment bec I just wanted to go unga boonga XD
The Vintage section was a bit off. I remember Belcher being a 5 color deck using every broken card imaginable in vintage around 2003. when empty the Warrens was printed it got a new toy and went Red Green.
Excellent video as usual! I can't help but wonder how much smaller the belcher's impact would have been if it was ruled "No lands left in your deck? I guess you just milled yourself to death!"
It wasn't tournament topping, obviously... But 2003 most certainly had a dedicated belcher deck that came out before that extended pt... Proteus Belcher. Control deck with create tokens. Stacked the deck with staff, Drew and activated belcher for the win.
@@gdiridium5525 I'm talking about 56 land treasure hunt, not whatever bullshit got mystic sanctuary banned. 56 land treasure hunt got banned out by proxy because of the deck you're talking about.
Belcher in Vintage dates back to 2003 with players like Michael Simister, who piloted the deck to a T4 finish at the 2004 Vintage Championship, Justin Droba, who took a blue-less version to a T8 at SCG Chicago in 2005 as well as a number of smaller scale wins, and Nat Moes, who reduced Droba's versions down to two colors after red started to get rituals. There was also quite a bit of work done on the deck in Europe during that time frame, but the legalization of Grim Tutor made Storm decks around Yawgmoth's Will far far more consistent than they had been since the 4 Burning Wish days and Belcher decks fell by the wayside because they were less resilient to hate and more likely to mulligan into oblivion, making the gain in speed not worth the lack of robustness.
Some of these decklists without Infernal Tutor really don't read like they should be anywhere near consistent enough with drawing Belcher and finding their land at the same time. Also if your opponent happens to have the Force of Will for your Belcher, you basically lose that game. Making Empty the Warrens work on the other hand seems way easier. You don't care about your land, nor do you care about (most) countermagic. Only problem is that taking 2 turns to close out the win might be too slow in Legacy.
@@NizzahonMagic thanks! now I get it! I'm not a native speaker. I was looking for the meaning of belcher and this definition wasn't helping at all: "a blue neckerchief having large white spots with dark blue spots at their centers"
Yeah I don't think it would be a problem If you could use a nonbasic land tutor to get a bad overcosted spell. Or play a deck with only lands and some weird spells on their backs
No mention of Recross the Paths? Being able to fully stack your deck in any order you want is a defining feature of Modern Belcher decks.
Yup, I think it’s neat and influential enough to the design it’s worth adding something to mention it, and the current builds that still make it happen as the main goal even without spirit guide
It might not have made a top 8 on a tournament yet
When I got my first magic product (Duel decks, goblins vs merfolk) I wondered why this card would ever be good. Gotta play lands right? Later I discovered its true power.
I just wanted to say that I've been binging all your videos for 3-4 years now.
Thank you for your hard work. And don't be discouraged if series like these get less views or likes, because there are plenty of people like me who love them :) take care
Glad you like them!
Anyone else enjoy seeing these in their Recommended list and like leaving them there for a while to build anticipation? I really enjoy this series, but I don't always watch the new episodes when they drop because the deep dives require more attention to engage with, but I always watch them eventually because they're so good and that engagement is rewarding. I enjoy binging these too, so saving up a few episodes to watch all at once is nice.
Main deck Blood Moon in modern is to make the lands enter untapped without paying 3 life.
I attempted to make this deck work in standard during the Mirrodin Block, using Proteus Staff + Sound the Alarm + Charbelcher. Sound the Alarm makes 2 tokens that I use to activate the staff. The staff reveals the top cards of my deck until I hit a creature, then arrange order of the revealed cards on the bottom of my deck. Since I dont run creatures, the card allows me to re-arrange the entire deck for a lethal Charbelcher next turn
Unfortunately, the strategy is not only vulnerable (I remember Mirrodin had a good number of artifact hate), but its slow as f*** to pull off O.O I just ended up running a mono-white deck with several equipment bec I just wanted to go unga boonga XD
That's a really creative way of pulling it off. It's a pity that Mirrodin block and standard devolved into affinity vs unplayable piles.
Love these videos!
I've been a tournament grinder for not too long, so seeing these older forms of decks are super interesting.
There are a lot of old decks that simply don't exist anymore as well.
The Vintage section was a bit off. I remember Belcher being a 5 color deck using every broken card imaginable in vintage around 2003. when empty the Warrens was printed it got a new toy and went Red Green.
who doesnt love some classic belcher
I think that this understated the prevalence of Lands currently in legacy.
Excellent video as usual!
I can't help but wonder how much smaller the belcher's impact would have been if it was ruled "No lands left in your deck? I guess you just milled yourself to death!"
It wasn't tournament topping, obviously... But 2003 most certainly had a dedicated belcher deck that came out before that extended pt... Proteus Belcher. Control deck with create tokens. Stacked the deck with staff, Drew and activated belcher for the win.
I would love to know the paper cost of the deck featured at 10:00. That is one hell of a stacked list
One soul please.
@@johngleeman8347 Only one? What a bargain. I only have to lose one friend
In today dollars, just about $71k. No clue what prices were back in 2014. If you wanted to buy it on mtgo it’s 227 tickets or about $200.00.
I love this card since standard, it was used in big red to evade story circle (after KCI was banned). Now it's my pet deck in Legacy.
Belcher was back up win condition in KCI, especially with Cranial Extraction from Champions of Kamigawa.
*belch*
urp
It's literally about bringing a grenade launcher to a knife fight.
10:05 there is no Time Walk, hence no "power nine".
I miss 56 land treasure hunt :(
Stupid mystic sanctuary ban.....
in fairness cryptic command locks with sanctuary were pretty toxic, and meant that control decks could answer anything with a fetchland and a cantrip
@@gdiridium5525 I'm talking about 56 land treasure hunt, not whatever bullshit got mystic sanctuary banned. 56 land treasure hunt got banned out by proxy because of the deck you're talking about.
I wonder if Belcher can be in Commander EDH?
Belcher in Vintage dates back to 2003 with players like Michael Simister, who piloted the deck to a T4 finish at the 2004 Vintage Championship, Justin Droba, who took a blue-less version to a T8 at SCG Chicago in 2005 as well as a number of smaller scale wins, and Nat Moes, who reduced Droba's versions down to two colors after red started to get rituals. There was also quite a bit of work done on the deck in Europe during that time frame, but the legalization of Grim Tutor made Storm decks around Yawgmoth's Will far far more consistent than they had been since the 4 Burning Wish days and Belcher decks fell by the wayside because they were less resilient to hate and more likely to mulligan into oblivion, making the gain in speed not worth the lack of robustness.
Some of these decklists without Infernal Tutor really don't read like they should be anywhere near consistent enough with drawing Belcher and finding their land at the same time. Also if your opponent happens to have the Force of Will for your Belcher, you basically lose that game.
Making Empty the Warrens work on the other hand seems way easier. You don't care about your land, nor do you care about (most) countermagic. Only problem is that taking 2 turns to close out the win might be too slow in Legacy.
I was today years old when I learned it doubles damage on a mountain reveal.
When you beat one it feels great.
Can't believe splinter twin beat this deck. Super interesting.
They effectively tied. The way youtube gives out data, it was unclear if one overtook the other.
Poor lil guy's got turkey feet in his face haha
Omg ironworks was so fun in 2004
is charbelcher a pun? what does belcher have to do with thanksgiving?
The word belch.
@@NizzahonMagic thanks! now I get it! I'm not a native speaker. I was looking for the meaning of belcher and this definition wasn't helping at all: "a blue neckerchief having large white spots with dark blue spots at their centers"
@@necrosodomblasphemia Wow, who knew words for neckerchiefs were so specific!
Love this video! Very interesting to see how degenerate eternal formats are!
can someone explain to me what does belcher and thanksgiving have in common?
People in USA eat a lot during Thanksgiving meals, then belch (burp)
@@stefanoriva9767 oh i see. ty
The Stats are in:
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Will WOTC ever print white prowess creatures again?
very eco-friendly deck name ^_^
It really feels like the MDFC lands should have been lands on the _front_ side
That would have also created serious problems, because you could tutor up a land that is a spell for one mana.
Yeah I don't think it would be a problem If you could use a nonbasic land tutor to get a bad overcosted spell. Or play a deck with only lands and some weird spells on their backs