to me the most essential difference between burn and RDW is that in burn you use your burn spells mostly to the face , in RDW burn spells are mostly there to clear the way for your creatures
When I first got some duel decks back in 2013 I tried to build a red blue deck all about copying lava axe for a hopeful 1ko and recurring it because I didn't have enough copies of everything yet. Good times.
It's almost impossible to emphasize how important Paul Sligh is to the history of MtG and MtG theory. He's the first guy to elucidate in clear terms the concept of a mana curve and fitting the deck to that mana curve. While RDW wins is the direct ancestor of his deck, virtually no modern deck isn't influenced in some fashion by the Sligh mana curve.
Yup. He introduced the concept of the mana curve, which I think is just as important (if not more so) as the concept of card advantage that Brian Weissman introduced with The Deck. Who else has created such fundamental concepts? Did Jon Finkel or Kai Budde do anything like that?
Most of Chainwhirler's Standard success came in so-called Rakdos Aggro decks, although the vast majority of that deck was red. Black was really only there for Ribbons, Unlicensed Disintegration, the odd sideboard card and most importantly, Scrapheap Scrounger's ability. The rest of the creature base and spells were all red. There was a RDW deck with Chainwhirler after Kaladesh and Amonket rotated and Ravnica entered Standard, but it wasn't really tier 1. It was still fine though. Chainwhirler along with Runaway Steam-Kin and Experimental Frenzy were the big hitters in that deck.
I guess he didn't have a big impact on decks that got results but chainwhirler warped the arena meta in the ranked bo1 queue. The deck was not really a budget deck but it didn't require rare land sets like the esper and sultai decks that were the defacto rulers of standard at the time. It also finished games quickly so it was really common to see in the mythic grind. Your deck had to have a good matchup with RDW to be viable.
It's important to note that Mogg Fanatic could not do 2 damage in Tempest Block Constructed. Damage didn't use the Stack until 6th Edition (which brought the introduction of the Stack), which was 1999.
Another great video! Thanks for the history lesson and taking the time to differentiate between RDW decks and it's cousins like Burn. I began my time playing MTG with mostly Black mana but have since fallen in love with Red, just love how fast it is and either I win this by turn 5 or just die in a great explosion. The current state of RDW is bleak, hopefully we get some more action going on from Kamigawa Neon Dynasty
11:45 Searing Blaze was probably the 4th best card in that deck since it was essentially a 2-for-1 something that red decks did not get often before the Light Up the Stage mechanic became a mainstay for red.
Don't forget, Joel Larson won PT: Magic Origins with RDW as well, in a top 8 where nearly half the decks featured were RDW. His deck was the classic 1/3 Lands, 1/3 Creatures. 1/3 Burn build, making it a fine example of the deck as well!
The expression "It'll make sense, I promise" is such a professor phrase. Nice video. As someone who's been away from Standard and Limited for a while, this strategy looks like a great way back in.
man i hated playing against that embercleave in standard on arena, even though I was the guy playing the Uro/Ugin control deck which was definitely more miserable to play against.
Red deck wins was a viable deck in standard for a long period from 2018-2021 but im really surprised that the Goblin Chainwhirler era wasnt mentioned here. This was around when i started playing and this deck and the matchup vs Esper Control defined the format at that time.
Interesting, I specifically remember playing a lot of standard during time spiral - lorwyn - alara and I could have sworn a RDW deck was top 8 at some events using magus of moon, flame javelin, and countryside crusher. Guess my memory isn't too good lol
There was a deck with demigod of revenge, tatermunge maniac, flame javs, etc. It was a solid tier two deck that had good matchups with faeries. kitchen finks was in the format though, along with other solid life gain elements. plus, when you played that version, it made running mutavault more difficult. the deck was ultimately a bit too clunky.
Minor error spotted (unless this is the world of RDW now), at around 17:00 with Riku Kumagai's Top 8 Kaldheim deck, it says he is running 4 snow covered mountains, I can't imagine that number is correct.
please somebody explain what happened to black deck wins, blue deck wins, green deck wins and white deck wins. it’s like other colors don’t win, how does that make any sense?
It bothers me so much that so many "Red deck wins" decks have white splashed. That's red white wins and damn the shortening, people know it feels gross.
So crazy to see a top 8 deck that featuires a 1/3 for 1 with a downside, a 2/2 for 2 with a downside ad a 2/2 for 3 with a activated ability that today only costs 1 mana or tap a creature
Ah yes, my first ever deck that I used in an actual tournament and got SOMEWHERE was a red aggro burn deck... not too sure if it would count as Red deck wins, but I think it counts Hey, back then, all I wanted to do was unga-bunga my way to victory XD
Mono red (red deck wins) is one of my favorite decks in magic. I so often look at a mono red deck as the entry point to a format, because it is a deck that can be competitive, easy to build, and relatively easy to pilot. I often splash white, or occasionally green for sideboard options. This is a great and fun video. I am enjoying this history of my favorite deck, and the rest of your videos too.
Interesting that you don't talk about Mirrodin block Sligh. While it never won a major it had numerous top 16 finishes post-Skullclamp but before Ravager was banned, because it had a positive matchup vs T&N and a playable matchup vs Ravager, something nothing else really managed. Slith Firewalker, Oxidda Golem, and Akki Avalanchers were all EXTREMELY efficient for the time, the deck kicked a lot of butt.
I love Magic so much. I love the card interactions and archetypes in yugioh, but Magic is just such a pure game. It hasn't been subject to as much power creep as modern yugioh has.
That 2011 version is just 1 example of why my views on power levels are so warped to this day... Getting back into MTG, playing with cards like Lightning Bolt, Goblin Guide, OG Eldrazi, JTMS, Birds of Paradise, Stoneforge Mystic, Mox Opal, Ponder/Preordain, Fetch Lands, the Primeval Titan & Co., Swords/Batterskull, Landfall (Lotus Cobra, Vengevine, Bloodghast, etc.), Phyrexian Mana, Valakut, etc... all in Standard... It just permanently altered what I find fun or acceptable. When I hear Maro say they want to avoid 1 cmc mana dorks, yet played when we had multiple + Opal in Standard, my eye twitches... Or seeing Lightning Bolt reprinted a million times, then suddenly it's too powerful (while they still print absurd creatures), I get sad... *OR...* 🤣 how we had Preordain, Ponder & Gitaxian Probe in the same Standard environment, but ALL are banned in Modern?! Not even 1 is allowed, REALLY? Sorry for my rant. Seeing GG + Bolt from a deck I used to love playing made me bug out 😅
Ha, I have the same warped perspective, but from the complete opposite direction. I stopped keeping up with new set releases after Time Spiral Block and mainly play Premodern (1995-2003) now. So whenever I watch a game of Modern or see some of the absurdly powerful cards printed in the 2010s discussed on this channel, I simply shake my old fogey head on disbelief. :p
Bolt really should not have been reprinted in M2010. Bolt's effect on creatures ("the Lightning Bolt test") had been known since the early days, which is why it was dropped from 5th Edition for Incinerate. Somehow they forgot this when they put Bolt in Standard twice. 1-mana dorks had historically not been an issue because creatures just weren't all that good. Accelerating them out by a turn didn't really do that much. But now when you get Questing Beast for 4 mana (when that 4 mana used to get you Jade Leech or Iwomaru of the Closed Fist), those 1-mana dorks look a lot more warping than they were. Primeval Titan is probably the first creature that really made mana dorks be questioned because getting that out on T4 or T5 is...great.
I actually love looking at this and seeing quite a few cards I tried out in my Burn/RDW deck (at this point it's way more in on Burn, but it runs 8 'burn creatures', Ball Lightning and Vexing Devil, to help turn on DRCs, so it's not 'just' Burn). The funny part at this point is that it's a Legacy deck with a single 4-of Legacy card in Fireblast, everything else is Modern legal now. It's budget, but it wins turn 3 or 4 quite consistently, but without Fireblast it's almost impossible for it to win turn 3 IIRC. In contrast with most Burn decks though, it's got enough card draw to spend Burn on creatures (Risk Factor and Browbeat seem to play fine in a Burn deck, where people are always down a fair bit of life by the time I'm playing these, or I've just burnt their creatures to death and they take the damage, which is also good, because Fireblast can catch them). All told I think there are 10 choice cards in the deck, but if the choices are always both bad for the opponent (super cheap beater or cards are usually good, and Burn is always useful), they feel a lot more consistent, and this also keeps games more exciting I think. I'd love to convert it into a Modern deck, since it's so close and turn 3/4 is pretty decent in Modern, and on the slower side vs the fast stuff in Legacy, but I can't find a good replacement for what Fireblast does, maybe the new Fury would fit? 4x of that is more than the entire deck IIRC, but it would fill some of the niche of Fireblast I guess, just not nearly as well. It's much better to hardcast than Fireblast, but you almost always close with Fireblast, rather than burn creatures. Maybe they'll just break down and print Fireblast into Modern? 😇
Ponza did not branch off from RDW or Sligh. Ponza is a red control deck. It would be like you saying Mono U control derived from Merefolk. Also you missed the history of Sligh/RDW at it's fastest in 1998 when Jackal Pup, Mogg Fanatic and Mogg Flunkies were the better creatures on the block plus it included Cursed Scroll for inevitablity.
I didn't just make up that Ponza came from sligh - the guy who built the deck said it came from it. Watch the LD deck history. I don't think I "missed" anything, I couldn't talk about every single deck ever!
@@NizzahonMagic Yeah I just watched it and again it has NOTHING to do with SLIGH or RDW. I've been playing Ponza style decks since 1998 myself and as I said in my previous statement, Ponza is a Red Control deck that uses land destruction, burn and creatures that be used to kill your opponent's creatures or hit their life total plus usually a big finisher. Ponza was born from The Wakefield Sligh deck using the principle of 26/62. 26 lands, 62 cards. That is the only thing the Ponza deck and Wakiefield Sligh have in common. Ironically, having actually been a friend of Jamie Wakefield, the principle of 26/62 was not something he just applied to his sligh deck. He ran 61 or 62 cards in literally EVERY deck he played. Please read this article - magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/naming-red-metagame-2005-04-28 Again, Ponza was and always will be a control deck. Sligh was the first deck to understand the mana curve and RDW is a deck that killed you ASAP.
My other comment is how depressing this video is, because it amply demonstrates just how approachable and accessable the game used to be to new players, who could put together a pile mostly of cheap white or red commons and uncommons and have a very competitive deck to play with in almost every format up until the early 2000s. If you look at modern card pools, you'll find that those same efficient 2/1's and 2/2's are no longer in the common or uncommon slot, not because having a couple would be busted in limited (where the slowness of the format overall still would often favor midrange decks and first picking true bombs) but simply to increase the amount of money required to enter into a particular format. A player wanting to play RDW in a modern standard environment would find those 2/2's with haste are these days printed as mythic rares, and that they need 18 rares and 12 mythic rares just to have a minimally competitive deck (not even usually the best deck in the format).
You... You do realize most rares and mythics cost less than $1 right? A Modern Burn deck can cost as little as $40 Lightning Bolt is still at common and is only $2
You’ve butchered this. Red deck wins as a deck name was popularised by a guy called dan paskins, who was the decks biggest hype man in saga and masques block standard. Prior to that most decks that would now fit the name red deck wins, were still just generally called burn or sligh. Can’t believe dan paskins didn’t get a shout out. Will have to find a copy of one of his tournament reports
@@NizzahonMagic near the end you say "standard formats", with an s, in context referring to sanctioned formats. ... or did you mean the format of standard as it varies over time? e.g. the standard formats of 2007 thru 2014 or something like that? Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant
@@NizzahonMagic well you do have a curious use of "reach" that I've only heard in mtg to mean the mechanic, and not your use as ~flexible abilities(?)~ or whatever. If it were in standard use, I wouldn't say anything, but it's not
@Jims Maher It is used pretty regularly to mean "doing the last few damage." It is even used in multiple articles on the main Magic website discussing aggro decks. Google it . So, just because you don't know the word doesn't mean a whole lot. That said I will concede that it isn't the best word to use because of the separate keyword ability, and I probably should have defined it. But it isn't nearly as obscure to use as you seem to think. If it were confusing people there would be comments about it, and yours is the only one that mentions it! So yeah, maybe do some cursory research before trying to criticize my writing next time!
The graphic for Riku Kumagai's Red Deck Wins has the wrong number of Snow-Covered Mountains. It should be 19, not 4.
to me the most essential difference between burn and RDW is that in burn you use your burn spells mostly to the face , in RDW burn spells are mostly there to clear the way for your creatures
When I first got some duel decks back in 2013 I tried to build a red blue deck all about copying lava axe for a hopeful 1ko and recurring it because I didn't have enough copies of everything yet. Good times.
Did you get the Izzet vs Golgari one? I figured since that deck was the UR spells one
@@boonsaplenty3924 I recall originally picking up the WB exalted deck, another had the mono blue flyers, and can't remember the 3rd that had red.
It's almost impossible to emphasize how important Paul Sligh is to the history of MtG and MtG theory. He's the first guy to elucidate in clear terms the concept of a mana curve and fitting the deck to that mana curve. While RDW wins is the direct ancestor of his deck, virtually no modern deck isn't influenced in some fashion by the Sligh mana curve.
Facts
Yup. He introduced the concept of the mana curve, which I think is just as important (if not more so) as the concept of card advantage that Brian Weissman introduced with The Deck.
Who else has created such fundamental concepts?
Did Jon Finkel or Kai Budde do anything like that?
If we were to really dig into it it wasn’t even slighs deck and you could sum up Paul as a net decker of sorts
Red deck wins games, red deck wins tournaments, red deck wins my heart ♥ Monastery Swiftspear is my favorite card in the game!
I'm sad it got banned in pauper TwT
I'm surprised Chainwhirler did not get its spotlight in this video!
I guess whirler was mostly played in burn instead of rdw? At least in its standard legal time.
Most of Chainwhirler's Standard success came in so-called Rakdos Aggro decks, although the vast majority of that deck was red. Black was really only there for Ribbons, Unlicensed Disintegration, the odd sideboard card and most importantly, Scrapheap Scrounger's ability. The rest of the creature base and spells were all red.
There was a RDW deck with Chainwhirler after Kaladesh and Amonket rotated and Ravnica entered Standard, but it wasn't really tier 1. It was still fine though. Chainwhirler along with Runaway Steam-Kin and Experimental Frenzy were the big hitters in that deck.
@@SirZapdos scrapheap scrounger is great
I guess he didn't have a big impact on decks that got results but chainwhirler warped the arena meta in the ranked bo1 queue. The deck was not really a budget deck but it didn't require rare land sets like the esper and sultai decks that were the defacto rulers of standard at the time. It also finished games quickly so it was really common to see in the mythic grind. Your deck had to have a good matchup with RDW to be viable.
@@SirZapdos the experimental frenzy deck was the one I expected to see, but then I was just playing low level ranked on Arena.
Denis Ulanov - Red Deck Wins at 12:39 .The Enchantment category is also marked as land.
Rakdos Cackler is my babi.
It's important to note that Mogg Fanatic could not do 2 damage in Tempest Block Constructed. Damage didn't use the Stack until 6th Edition (which brought the introduction of the Stack), which was 1999.
My arch Nemesis, also the nesesary evil I sometimes had to do to earn gold when I payed Arena
you are a beast for putting these videos out. i love that grind you put perspective into context
Another great video! Thanks for the history lesson and taking the time to differentiate between RDW decks and it's cousins like Burn. I began my time playing MTG with mostly Black mana but have since fallen in love with Red, just love how fast it is and either I win this by turn 5 or just die in a great explosion. The current state of RDW is bleak, hopefully we get some more action going on from Kamigawa Neon Dynasty
11:45 Searing Blaze was probably the 4th best card in that deck since it was essentially a 2-for-1 something that red decks did not get often before the Light Up the Stage mechanic became a mainstay for red.
Don't forget, Joel Larson won PT: Magic Origins with RDW as well, in a top 8 where nearly half the decks featured were RDW.
His deck was the classic 1/3 Lands, 1/3 Creatures. 1/3 Burn build, making it a fine example of the deck as well!
Amazing tour of this much rich history! Thanks Nizza, I love this series
Might be my current favorite content on all of YT. 🤘
The expression "It'll make sense, I promise" is such a professor phrase.
Nice video. As someone who's been away from Standard and Limited for a while, this strategy looks like a great way back in.
man i hated playing against that embercleave in standard on arena, even though I was the guy playing the Uro/Ugin control deck which was definitely more miserable to play against.
You get what u deserve
I played Embercleave, you totally deserved it 😂
Embercleave is flashy and fast at least. Uro/ugin is just bounce bounce counter slam ugin win. Lol you got what you deserved
You were the joker to our batman
Red deck wins was a viable deck in standard for a long period from 2018-2021 but im really surprised that the Goblin Chainwhirler era wasnt mentioned here. This was around when i started playing and this deck and the matchup vs Esper Control defined the format at that time.
i like very much this presentation of red-deck-win since the begining,
because i play magic the gathering from 1997.
Interesting, I specifically remember playing a lot of standard during time spiral - lorwyn - alara and I could have sworn a RDW deck was top 8 at some events using magus of moon, flame javelin, and countryside crusher. Guess my memory isn't too good lol
There was a deck with demigod of revenge, tatermunge maniac, flame javs, etc. It was a solid tier two deck that had good matchups with faeries. kitchen finks was in the format though, along with other solid life gain elements. plus, when you played that version, it made running mutavault more difficult. the deck was ultimately a bit too clunky.
I’ve been getting into modern and my deck is a red aggro deck. I run snow mountains and run a play set of Skred. I also have a play set of ragavan
Minor error spotted (unless this is the world of RDW now), at around 17:00 with Riku Kumagai's Top 8 Kaldheim deck, it says he is running 4 snow covered mountains, I can't imagine that number is correct.
There is a pinned comment from days ago that addresses this.
@@NizzahonMagic My apologies, I thought I looked for one before posting.
please somebody explain what happened to black deck wins, blue deck wins, green deck wins and white deck wins. it’s like other colors don’t win, how does that make any sense?
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Inb4 someone else notices
It bothers me so much that so many "Red deck wins" decks have white splashed. That's red white wins and damn the shortening, people know it feels gross.
A little surprised there was no mention on goblin chainwirler. A series on golgari mid-range (the rock) would be good.
You are missing 15 [[Snow-Covered Mountain]]s in the listing for Riku Kumagai's decklist for Kaldheim Championship
I remember when stoke the flames was legal in standard, it was so good for RDW
The Kaldheim one only had 10 lands? I think you forget the basic mountains bro.
More likely the 1 next to the 4 for the snow basics.
Could you do a top ten on cards hurt/helped by rule changes?
16:38 - There seem to be only 45 cards in Riku Kumagai's Standard list?
This video had me seeing red.... over that Sooners hat. Go Pokes!
You're missing the Survival deck history (beyond recurring nightmare) and Storm decks!!
So crazy to see a top 8 deck that featuires a 1/3 for 1 with a downside, a 2/2 for 2 with a downside ad a 2/2 for 3 with a activated ability that today only costs 1 mana or tap a creature
Must have been quite the taxing to dig through the many, many iterations of RDW through the years. Great stuff as always!
Ah yes, my first ever deck that I used in an actual tournament and got SOMEWHERE was a red aggro burn deck... not too sure if it would count as Red deck wins, but I think it counts
Hey, back then, all I wanted to do was unga-bunga my way to victory XD
If the face plays taunt, I still go face
Ramunap died for the sins of Hazoret
Mono red (red deck wins) is one of my favorite decks in magic. I so often look at a mono red deck as the entry point to a format, because it is a deck that can be competitive, easy to build, and relatively easy to pilot. I often splash white, or occasionally green for sideboard options. This is a great and fun video. I am enjoying this history of my favorite deck, and the rest of your videos too.
AYYYY NIZZAHON!!! Don’t think we don’t see that hat mate. BOOMER.
Interesting that you don't talk about Mirrodin block Sligh. While it never won a major it had numerous top 16 finishes post-Skullclamp but before Ravager was banned, because it had a positive matchup vs T&N and a playable matchup vs Ravager, something nothing else really managed. Slith Firewalker, Oxidda Golem, and Akki Avalanchers were all EXTREMELY efficient for the time, the deck kicked a lot of butt.
You haven't done white weenie yet? Wow
the card count on the 2021 version is off, did you mean for it to have 14 snow-covered mountains instead of 4 ?
See pinned comment
I love Magic so much. I love the card interactions and archetypes in yugioh, but Magic is just such a pure game. It hasn't been subject to as much power creep as modern yugioh has.
Dear Nizzahon,
My Birthday is next week. Thank you for this. Life is perfect now.
Happy birthday!
You cover alot of cards but I like that you coverd a style
Wow..i can't sleep so this is here... thanks for an extra 1/2 hour distraction
You're welcome 😊
RDW and Burn have always been my favorites
Okay 1 question what is the diffrence between Burn/RDW/'Sligh?
That 2011 version is just 1 example of why my views on power levels are so warped to this day...
Getting back into MTG, playing with cards like Lightning Bolt, Goblin Guide, OG Eldrazi, JTMS, Birds of Paradise, Stoneforge Mystic, Mox Opal, Ponder/Preordain, Fetch Lands, the Primeval Titan & Co., Swords/Batterskull, Landfall (Lotus Cobra, Vengevine, Bloodghast, etc.), Phyrexian Mana, Valakut, etc... all in Standard...
It just permanently altered what I find fun or acceptable. When I hear Maro say they want to avoid 1 cmc mana dorks, yet played when we had multiple + Opal in Standard, my eye twitches...
Or seeing Lightning Bolt reprinted a million times, then suddenly it's too powerful (while they still print absurd creatures), I get sad...
*OR...* 🤣 how we had Preordain, Ponder & Gitaxian Probe in the same Standard environment, but ALL are banned in Modern?! Not even 1 is allowed, REALLY?
Sorry for my rant. Seeing GG + Bolt from a deck I used to love playing made me bug out 😅
Ha, I have the same warped perspective, but from the complete opposite direction. I stopped keeping up with new set releases after Time Spiral Block and mainly play Premodern (1995-2003) now. So whenever I watch a game of Modern or see some of the absurdly powerful cards printed in the 2010s discussed on this channel, I simply shake my old fogey head on disbelief. :p
Bolt really should not have been reprinted in M2010. Bolt's effect on creatures ("the Lightning Bolt test") had been known since the early days, which is why it was dropped from 5th Edition for Incinerate. Somehow they forgot this when they put Bolt in Standard twice.
1-mana dorks had historically not been an issue because creatures just weren't all that good. Accelerating them out by a turn didn't really do that much. But now when you get Questing Beast for 4 mana (when that 4 mana used to get you Jade Leech or Iwomaru of the Closed Fist), those 1-mana dorks look a lot more warping than they were. Primeval Titan is probably the first creature that really made mana dorks be questioned because getting that out on T4 or T5 is...great.
Precious memories. Time to dust off my rdw on arena and throw some 6/3 doublestriking and trampling anaxes at my opponents.
It might have been worth mentioning obosh rdw for modern. I know it probably hasn't won any tournaments but probably worth a foot note like historic
I actually love looking at this and seeing quite a few cards I tried out in my Burn/RDW deck (at this point it's way more in on Burn, but it runs 8 'burn creatures', Ball Lightning and Vexing Devil, to help turn on DRCs, so it's not 'just' Burn). The funny part at this point is that it's a Legacy deck with a single 4-of Legacy card in Fireblast, everything else is Modern legal now. It's budget, but it wins turn 3 or 4 quite consistently, but without Fireblast it's almost impossible for it to win turn 3 IIRC. In contrast with most Burn decks though, it's got enough card draw to spend Burn on creatures (Risk Factor and Browbeat seem to play fine in a Burn deck, where people are always down a fair bit of life by the time I'm playing these, or I've just burnt their creatures to death and they take the damage, which is also good, because Fireblast can catch them). All told I think there are 10 choice cards in the deck, but if the choices are always both bad for the opponent (super cheap beater or cards are usually good, and Burn is always useful), they feel a lot more consistent, and this also keeps games more exciting I think. I'd love to convert it into a Modern deck, since it's so close and turn 3/4 is pretty decent in Modern, and on the slower side vs the fast stuff in Legacy, but I can't find a good replacement for what Fireblast does, maybe the new Fury would fit? 4x of that is more than the entire deck IIRC, but it would fill some of the niche of Fireblast I guess, just not nearly as well. It's much better to hardcast than Fireblast, but you almost always close with Fireblast, rather than burn creatures. Maybe they'll just break down and print Fireblast into Modern? 😇
13:36 Just because a deck plays cards that are not red doesn't make it not monored!
Some people hate it, but to me it gives Red its flavor
I wonder what's in the side of Paul's 96 version for him to run a one drop that gets killed by another of his own one drops
Sideboards tended to be color hosers back then.
16:40 did this deck actually just run only 10 lands with a 4 drop? That feels absurdly greedy
no it plays 25 lands with 19 Snow-Covered Mountain
Wouldn't blitz be the closest thing to a RDW deck in modern?
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Ponza did not branch off from RDW or Sligh. Ponza is a red control deck. It would be like you saying Mono U control derived from Merefolk. Also you missed the history of Sligh/RDW at it's fastest in 1998 when Jackal Pup, Mogg Fanatic and Mogg Flunkies were the better creatures on the block plus it included Cursed Scroll for inevitablity.
I didn't just make up that Ponza came from sligh - the guy who built the deck said it came from it. Watch the LD deck history. I don't think I "missed" anything, I couldn't talk about every single deck ever!
@@NizzahonMagic Yeah I just watched it and again it has NOTHING to do with SLIGH or RDW. I've been playing Ponza style decks since 1998 myself and as I said in my previous statement, Ponza is a Red Control deck that uses land destruction, burn and creatures that be used to kill your opponent's creatures or hit their life total plus usually a big finisher. Ponza was born from The Wakefield Sligh deck using the principle of 26/62. 26 lands, 62 cards. That is the only thing the Ponza deck and Wakiefield Sligh have in common. Ironically, having actually been a friend of Jamie Wakefield, the principle of 26/62 was not something he just applied to his sligh deck. He ran 61 or 62 cards in literally EVERY deck he played.
Please read this article - magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/naming-red-metagame-2005-04-28
Again, Ponza was and always will be a control deck. Sligh was the first deck to understand the mana curve and RDW is a deck that killed you ASAP.
My other comment is how depressing this video is, because it amply demonstrates just how approachable and accessable the game used to be to new players, who could put together a pile mostly of cheap white or red commons and uncommons and have a very competitive deck to play with in almost every format up until the early 2000s.
If you look at modern card pools, you'll find that those same efficient 2/1's and 2/2's are no longer in the common or uncommon slot, not because having a couple would be busted in limited (where the slowness of the format overall still would often favor midrange decks and first picking true bombs) but simply to increase the amount of money required to enter into a particular format. A player wanting to play RDW in a modern standard environment would find those 2/2's with haste are these days printed as mythic rares, and that they need 18 rares and 12 mythic rares just to have a minimally competitive deck (not even usually the best deck in the format).
You... You do realize most rares and mythics cost less than $1 right?
A Modern Burn deck can cost as little as $40
Lightning Bolt is still at common and is only $2
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Thanks for pointing that out. It is fixed now!
Where is my experimental frenzy
u made an error in the last deck. it has 19 Snow-Covered Mountain not 4 xDD
until "stupid green" arrives...sligh are dead
He keeps his promises.
pretty sure Riku's deck had more than 10 lands...
Red deck wins won the poll?
You’ve butchered this. Red deck wins as a deck name was popularised by a guy called dan paskins, who was the decks biggest hype man in saga and masques block standard. Prior to that most decks that would now fit the name red deck wins, were still just generally called burn or sligh. Can’t believe dan paskins didn’t get a shout out. Will have to find a copy of one of his tournament reports
You use too many overloaded words: reach, standard, block ... block is beyond your control. The other two aren't
How is "Standard" an overloaded word when it is a format in the game? What word would you like me to use to refer to the format called..."Standard."?
@@NizzahonMagic near the end you say "standard formats", with an s, in context referring to sanctioned formats. ... or did you mean the format of standard as it varies over time? e.g. the standard formats of 2007 thru 2014 or something like that? Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant
@@JimsMaher Yes, Standard formats over time. Why would I use the word standard to just mean all formats when "Standard" has its own meaning in Magic?
@@NizzahonMagic well you do have a curious use of "reach" that I've only heard in mtg to mean the mechanic, and not your use as ~flexible abilities(?)~ or whatever. If it were in standard use, I wouldn't say anything, but it's not
@Jims Maher It is used pretty regularly to mean "doing the last few damage." It is even used in multiple articles on the main Magic website discussing aggro decks. Google it . So, just because you don't know the word doesn't mean a whole lot.
That said I will concede that it isn't the best word to use because of the separate keyword ability, and I probably should have defined it. But it isn't nearly as obscure to use as you seem to think. If it were confusing people there would be comments about it, and yours is the only one that mentions it!
So yeah, maybe do some cursory research before trying to criticize my writing next time!
This is the least fun deck to ever play as or against in all of Magic.
Baral and Stax exist
@@deifiedtitan Yes. My opinion stands.