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You need to get a mechanics stethoscope and learn to use it. Valve cover would have never came off. Also do a video on how you got the crane up. Did you run the starter to power the pto. Or external hydraulic pump? Hooked to another vehicle? Use an air starter and shop air? Used an external heui leak pump to pressurize the hydraulic system?
About a year ago I get a service call to replace a starter on an acert. About a four hour drive. Talked to customer for a bit then he went back to location. Checked batteries, all good there. Hit key, starter made a pretty solid hit. Noticed oil was high and coolant was low. Pulled the intake off to get a look. There was coolant sitting on the valves. Dropped a valve. Complete in-frame.
@@UberArchangel Part of troubleshooting. What harm was done? Josh knows how to troubleshoot. Customer said it was in the valve train. Josh confirmed it was not. So he can report to the customer, that he inspected the valve train. It is not a perfect world and sometimes you have to make the call. As my old TC told me once, now you know what its not. Would I have done something different? Yes, I would have started with the 3/4 wrench. But still would ended up doing the same thing and cutting the oil filter open eventually, before really digging into it.
@@johngoldsmith6629 Exactly! And what happens if you don't pull the valve covers, jump in to something else and find something, fix it. Then a month later something grenades in the top end, when the customer told you he thought there was a problem in the top end, but you didn't look and now you eat the job.
Back in the day, shop had a customer with a drill truck 12v-71 highway engine in it. They kept burning up the engine. Oil sarvation. After the second warranty overhaul, we found out wht they were doing. In order to drill, they had the front of the truck up on a platform. The oil went away from the pickup. The fix was to put a industrial setup w/scavenging pickup oil pump. Never saw them again.
That is an aeration hose, to bleed air out of the cooling system. I am a Diesel Mechanic on heavy transport in New Zealand, generally that hose goes from the thermostat housing to a header tank behind the cab on cab overs, or high on the fire wall for bonneted .Quite common down here worked on many 3406B's. Like the videos keep it up. Mike Kay
Thank You!! I will be watching this series carefully, as I have almost the exact symptoms on a 1998 Cummins N14 in a motorhome. I really appreciate your videos, I have learned so much from them!!
I heard that engine and I could tell it was piston slap. To do it right, it needs an engine replacement or out of frame major. It looks like that piston cooler is not aimed right to the underside of that piston. I used to insert 3/32 welding rods in all 6 coolers during overhaul and get them in the correct position in the quadrant of the pistons. This looked like the cooler may have been bumped out of position during overhaul or just was not aimed. It is very important on todays high horsepower engines. You do have good diagnostic skills. Keep it up, you can learn something every day. I try too. Good luck.
6:32 the Fumoto drain valves are great. Never seen a problem in 20 years. It sure beats stripped out drain plug threads. Only issue, was when I used to be a transit bus tech. Bus engines are at the back. When a bus would go through a speed dip in a road too fast, the engine oil pan would kiss the pavement. The drain valve on the bottom would go through the pan.
Just wanted to answer the issue about the oil film on the windshield. If it was anything like my drill rig, it's the residue of compressor vapor and the oil we run in the airstream to lubricate the down the hole hammer. It's vapor because you can't perfectly seal the pipe connections and it collects on the drill mast. The mast is down for travel and when parked. Then rain, dew, etc trashes your windshield.
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On your game, as usual. Liked your comment on the quick drain oil pan plug. I couldn't agree with you more. Had one the Dealer put on a Mack 676. Caught a healthy tall weed coming out of a farm field loaded. Drained the motor and seized. Had to Line bore the block and do a major. That was 30 years ago. Never had one on any of our trucks since. Thanks for alerting people of the possible danger of having one. They judge for themselves if it's worth it. Please keep up the excellent work!
Anyone that runs old cats in Pete’s have what’s called a oil pressure gauge and an alarm when there is no pressure. Anyone that runs a Pete knows that if buzzer goes off and gauge reads zero psi to shut truck down. Mack guys are a little slow so us Pete guys can understand how Mack guys with easy spot could blow a motor with no oil pressure😂
@@shortthrow50That was my first question. Caught a weed, drained gallons of oil, with a guage on the dash showing zero- and possibly an alarm?? And we run it till it seizes?
I tested one of those oil drain valves for my company in 97. I was off road a lot, in deep mud and everything else you find on Michigan farms, never had any issues.
One fellow mentioned the piston cooling jet. At Cummins, I witnessed one time these parts were discovered to be made wrong, and the oil jet wasn't targeting the center of the piston. Was important enough to shut the engine down and wait for and install correct parts.
Australia here.That was interesting. I would have picked conrod myself. As a Massey Ferguson trained diesel mechanic I've seen a lot of weird things with motors. But as a farmer I fix all my own machines. Whenever I hear tapping like that I always pick bottom end first. I once had an interesting experience with a Land cruiser diesel, where a big end conrod began to fail. Not much I could do as I was in the middle of nowhere. Started with a tick tick hour later it was tap tap hour later it was like a roaring sewing machine. Bang. hole in the side of the block. And I was still a 100km from the nearest town.
Josh, I would say the little tube is an air bleed. If there's a T-stat in that housing it's to purge air out of the pocket at the top of the housing w/ filling coolant. The noise is probably coming from the piston, not the rod. The rings are probably broken and maybe ring lands too. I've heard it befor on huge gas engines. It sounds too quick for a lifter/ rocker but not deep/ solid enough for a rod. Of course can't tell any of that from a YT video, condenser mic's pick up light metallic sounds disproportionally. ben/ michigan
If you rebuild this old 3406 remember to check the liner packs will work with the oil jets. 3/8 old type won't work with the. Newer 0R liner packs and must use the 7/16 style. Also the thick injector tube washers must be used.
I have a quick drain plug on my c12 and have had it for 7 years and a million miles and have never had any problems with it coming open. I also have them on my cars and also no problems. It is so much easier and cleaner to drain the oil. I can also drain it right into a container. Since I don't have my own shop it helps out alot.
Hey, I have a suggestion for you to help retain the mess. Go to Lowes and get a plastic washing machine pan. The grey ones are the best, they handle abuse better.
Just had a Toyota 3B engine knocking like crazy and after taking it apart we found #2 piston and cylinder like the one in the video, and a lot of play in between. Crankshaft and bearings all almost perfect.
Maybe you can use all of that superstructure to hang the engine when you install it. In any case it look like you have your work cut out for you. Keep the good stuff coming.
Hey Josh. I’ve had those quick release drain plugs on both my trucks. I always make sure they’re locked and aimed in a direction where rocks shouldn’t be able to open them. I suppose a guy could put a zip tie on them after every oil change so they couldn’t unlock. My main concern is some other driver having a bad day and dumping my oil at a truck stop as I’m sleeping and it’s idling. Oof. Trucking isn’t the brotherhood it used to be, unfortunately.
Josh Good morning. Thank You for sharing this video. We have a kind of like trouble. The engine has a very thin, transparent oil. The engine pressure drop down to 10 psi. It has a 6 plunger fuel pump with electronic control module
Great to see the inner workings of a cat motor…my 1st thought was a bent piston oil spray cooler…or a plugged one….I did not see the culprit that caused the sleeve and piston carnage…please elaborate on your final thoughts….I’ve seen plenty of diesels and rebuilt some…I’ve never had one comeback except a rush job final hour going to Baja Nissan/scout that got us almost almost home and grenaded on the grapevine pass.
Ever notice how when you drop a tool and there's a pan of oil around they kind of home in on the pan of oil? If you are lucky it's just go fishing for it in hot oil, or, what you dropped upsets the pan and now it's a work area of floor that gets impromptu clean up. All in good fun.
I think it would be quicker, just to pull the front of the truck, bumper, hood, cooling pack, everything comes out the front, with the aid of the shop forklift. Putting it all back in is a little more difficult, but easily doable. The mine scoop, with the leaking turbo seal, looked like a R1300. Best wishes from the far North.
On that truck the "solenoid " is a second throttle access point to control hydrolic pressure as needed from the rear of the vehicle during a drill or pump...
Mike is correct , Peterbilt trucks used this assembly even used two on 8V71 series engines . It was mechanical coolant Snake Oil . Why did you not crack the fuel nozzle line fittings on the fuel pump to isolate the engine noise cylinder location ?
Air throttles are pretty common on older rigs - they use a "L" valve in cab to switch from foot throttle to rig control throttles - good prank on the unitiated is to switch it to rig controls and tell people to move the rig
Looks like you’ll be using a forklift to change the engine unless you have a large C frame to work around the Derrick or unless you have a dual hoist bridge crane with the spreader bar to straddle the Derrick. Good video thank you
My 2 liter aluminum block Kia looked like this from the top, with a bore scope ( though not quite that bad) ., funny they have machined spots for piston oilers,& a plan for future turbo option (which I don't think happened) ...Later engines, including their all aluminum six cyl have these jets installed . Some how caught early the compression was perfect ,all being at 204 psi exactly. I added 4.5 ounces of synthetic 2 stroke oil per 10 gallons of gas & drove it another 24,000 miles with the same noise your diesel has ., scary but it hasn't gotten worse & yup I would be interested what caused your failure...Ya , no warranty!
4 corner scouring usually lack of warmup or overheat. Cam ground pistons not round till warmed up some. Couldn't tell for sure if gallery cooled usually two piston cooler jets. Remember single unexplained rod bearing failures-9Y9497 late 80s.
I have a quick drain on my cummins but it has a locking tab that you have to pull before you can rotate the ball valve. work great as I can drain it hot and go inside for lunch
Before watching, I’m guessing wrist pins, based on the scraping visible on the cylinder wall in the thumbnail. Edit after watching: yeah I think it’s the wrist pin on that piston. Seen that kind of damage with loose wrist pins on multiple engines. It lets the piston rock side to side on the pin by more than the clearance between the piston and the wall, which then digs into the cylinder wall.
It is supposed to remove air bubbles from the coolant system. Air bubbles in a pressurized coolant system can create hot spots as well as wear the block, liners, liner seals water pump etc. It serves some of /similar functions of a “swirl pot” like used on engines where the radiator cap is below the highest point of the cooling system. As for what the thing is called I honestly forget. On a side note GM used to have coolant system supplement pellets that years ago and Ford had a coolant system supplement for the 7.3 idi engines because cooling system cavitation was major problem especially on engines that had lots of idle time (Ambulances, Tow trucks, etc) that could cause coolant leaks from casting porosity. Side note if you do not have some side play of the connecting rod the rods will bind or lock the engine. If I were replacing the engine I would definitely be looking very hard at the oil cooler as the source (repository) of the metal going through the engine from a previous engine problem. As for replacing the engine looks to me like an outside job so the drill rig can be erected out of the way, O joy
Not a mechanic but I think the low oil problem mentioned is the cause of the gouging of the cylinder walls squirter will help cool the piston but only if there’s oil pressure. Is that engine scrap? Or just a rebuild?
reminds me of having to pull the engine on my service truck. You have to pull the cab to do this, almost have to. Never forget to move the hoist from over the cab before you make it so it will not start.... Haha. Job got done.
Ive just had a 2018 2.0 tdi passat come in with the same issue, oil squirter bolt came out, got mashed to pieces by the counterweight and contaminted and subsequently wore out the skirt on the piston on another cylinder. Discovered it after new squirter, new bg end and main bearings and cleaning everything up (in situ obv) and the thing had what sounded like a top end rattle, but a proper stripping showed the skirt damage. So yeah, we do it right cause we do it twice😢
How timely of a video, I have a 3406b that developed a rattle suddenly also. It runs go no loss of power, no excessive smoke it gets louder as it warms up, good oil pressure 40-45 lbs at idle warm . Noise seems to quiet if you bring engine off idle to 1000 rpm and oil pressure comes up to 50-55 lbs. What caused the failure in your truck? What should I look for in mine. I checked over head, pulled air compressor / power steering and ac / alternator belt still has noise.
What was causing the knocking sound? I was going to suggest that a wrist pin bushing had come loose in the small end of the number two rod, migrated towards one end of the pin or the other, leaving insufficient material to carry the load, resulting in part of the bushing gitting smashed thin enough to leave number two rod bushingless (I had seen this on a 3208). The problem with this hypothesis is that it does not explain the severe scoring observed on both thrust faces the liner wall. Also, when pin bushings fail, large recognizable chunks of them end up @ the bottom of the oil pan.
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I would just disconnect the Darrick and lay it on some cribbing. Two big pins, some bolts, lay the draw works on pallets, disconnect the weight indicators from the draw works, disconnect electrical from the Derrick, viola. Call it a day.
I would have tried to polish the scratches out of the crankshaft if it was not deep scratches I have salvaged some crankshafts in the past but I couldn’t not tell by looking at a video
remove and replace the engine from the front .remove the hood radiator and support and transmission . remove the rear mounts and support the back of the engine .remove the front mount from the engine and frame .now move the truck back until the front axle is at the rear support . now block the engine in front of the axle and remove what was holding the back of the engine .now move the truck away from the engine . set the new engine in place , and push the truck in to it .
Doesn't anybody use a mechanics stethoscope anymore? I think they work for getting a little closer to pinpointing a problem. Magnifier, Loupe or Digital Microscope would allow you to see more detail of metal particles in filter media and possibly pinpoint source by type of metal. Have all three for Troubleshooting and Failure Analysis. Digital Borescope or Endoscope would allow you to reach up and view areas like the Cam lobes, Cylinder walls from below in better detail. Mine Wifis to Android Phone or Tablet for viewing. To bad they didn't oil sample at regular service intervals. Drill rigs almost always have to be worked on outside with mast raised and locked for access to the Deck or Truck engine.
Could of been piston to bore tolerances, ring gap, major boost leak or injector issue. Any thing with fuel or heat really will test out how well your builder rebuilt the engine.
@Genifer Teal I've been a machinist for 20 years professional . In that time ive noticed the tighter stuff will fail quicker. The piston and rings do not have room to grow when the heat is turned up in a high performance application or when ran out of normal operating range . Towing very heavy, leaky injector , extreme heat , boost leak . Those types of issues can cause extreme heat . When those scenarios happen your piston swells causing it to scuff the bore and butt rings. When a high performance engine are built on the machining side of things, all the tolerances are opened up to the looser side and beyond. Every metal grows the hotter it gets.
I have the same problem with my 3406 e 2002 MBN same noise from the front but the bottom of the engine 150000 million on the truck 45000 hour's Just started this morning, gonna have to take it to a shop as im in Texas 1300 from home and i don't have all my tools wity me
I just recently had to put a gear case on a series 60 in a freightliner cabover because it was leaking oil. The only reason I found the leak is I blocked off the blowby tube and it began coming out from the leak😂
I think that injector wasn't working propply not burnig well, so fuel passed between piston and liner washing out the lubrification causeing piston seize. The knoking noise is due to piston wear, not any more perfet. As you noticed the engine oil on the dip stick was slitly mixed wiyh diesel fuel beaing that colour.
Not a Cat engine issue here but, similar to this, maybe? I have a mid 90's Cummins L10 that makes what sounds like valve train rattle/injection rattle sound at low throttle but goes away when putting out some power. Good power when it feels like it, okay power when it does not. New injectors and no oil consumption. Anyone got any thoughts?
piston is installed backwards also cat motors have a specific liner inside taper of about 10 degrees if this is not finnished correctly oil sheer will kill your piston skirt
It's an overheated cylinder. Radiator is probably just cooling the engine at partial load. Running it hard overheats the engine. I service 30 year old pivot irrigation engines. Really common event, to have the radiator plug up internally from the crap in the tap water they put in these engines. Buy and use only 50/50 premixed anti-freeze.
2:29 Lmao, I feel stupid. That chime sounds EXACTLY like the one my fridge makes when it has been left open too long. I paused and unpaused 3 or 4 times and thought I was going crazy before realizing it was coming from the truck in the video.
Hey, I have a C7 acert 2006 in a freightliner. It runs fine when cold but after heats up, will start white smoking crazy and shut down. When you try to start back, smokes up the whole shop and if it does start will smoke and miss fire. If we leave it for a day come back next morning when engine is cold, it starts and runs perfectly. Checked all injectors all good, turbo had oil in it, we removed both turbo and exhaust manifold, manifold had oil in it. Ran engine without turbo and manifold same thing when gets hot. We tested the HEUI pump by stepping up and down the demand with the computer but everything seems ok. Also has no blow by Not sure what the problem is any ideas @AdeptApe
Is that truck maybe a workover rig for pulling the pump on a shallow oil well ? Or are you meaning water well drilling truck ? Be nice to know why that scoring happened. We always stand up the pole or derrick before doing an engine swap and sometimes it requires an apu to run the hydraulics.
You oughtta see what happens when folks use ScotchBrite on engine components... It really doesn't take long for the abrasive residue to consume the crank and cam. Bearings will look slightly black, with little wear. Mic the cam and crank, call the machine shop and make an appointment for the crank, chuck the cam. Meanwhile, I sure amd fed up with Active Fuel Management engines and lack of maintenance to them.
By 2:10 it was evident that the engine has excessive oil leaking and was always being topped up. It 100% was run too low on oil....prolly more than once. Moghta had the wrong inhector on that scored piston.....causing the scoring which leads to blowby which leads to oil puking out which leads to carnage
Was thinking the same I know if you just want to check bearings you Crack a certain hole that gets oil last from the galleys I'm not sure which hole though
C12, 1 cylinder is causing alot of white smoke at idle, under a load(higher rpms) the smoke turns black. Issue started all of a sudden & engine is making a ticking sound. I Swapped injector & problem is still there, also making a ticking sound. Forgot to inspect the inspector liner for a crack. Can a cracked injector liner cause this problem? Or is this a bad cam? I did notice a push rod was bent a little, I put new push rods for the intake & exhaust. Injector push rod was good. Didn't notice any bent valves. Working on it in a hotel parking lot where I just started working(it's a dump truck) no diesel mechanics around here & the closest cat dealership is 1 hour away & doesn't work on road trucks. Yep been hell.
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You need to get a mechanics stethoscope and learn to use it. Valve cover would have never came off. Also do a video on how you got the crane up. Did you run the starter to power the pto. Or external hydraulic pump? Hooked to another vehicle? Use an air starter and shop air? Used an external heui leak pump to pressurize the hydraulic system?
About a year ago I get a service call to replace a starter on an acert. About a four hour drive. Talked to customer for a bit then he went back to location. Checked batteries, all good there. Hit key, starter made a pretty solid hit. Noticed oil was high and coolant was low. Pulled the intake off to get a look. There was coolant sitting on the valves.
Dropped a valve. Complete in-frame.
@@UberArchangel Part of troubleshooting. What harm was done? Josh knows how to troubleshoot. Customer said it was in the valve train. Josh confirmed it was not. So he can report to the customer, that he inspected the valve train. It is not a perfect world and sometimes you have to make the call. As my old TC told me once, now you know what its not. Would I have done something different? Yes, I would have started with the 3/4 wrench. But still would ended up doing the same thing and cutting the oil filter open eventually, before really digging into it.
@@johngoldsmith6629 Exactly! And what happens if you don't pull the valve covers, jump in to something else and find something, fix it. Then a month later something grenades in the top end, when the customer told you he thought there was a problem in the top end, but you didn't look and now you eat the job.
@@UberArchangelalways cover your ass. Customer said it was valve train. You check and confirm valve trains.
Back in the day, shop had a customer with a drill truck 12v-71 highway engine in it. They kept burning up the engine. Oil sarvation. After the second warranty overhaul, we found out wht they were doing. In order to drill, they had the front of the truck up on a platform. The oil went away from the pickup. The fix was to put a industrial setup w/scavenging pickup oil pump. Never saw them again.
That is an aeration hose, to bleed air out of the cooling system.
I am a Diesel Mechanic on heavy transport in New Zealand, generally that hose goes from the thermostat housing to a header tank behind the cab on cab overs,
or high on the fire wall for bonneted .Quite common down here worked on many 3406B's.
Like the videos keep it up.
Mike Kay
Thank You!! I will be watching this series carefully, as I have almost the exact symptoms on a 1998 Cummins N14 in a motorhome. I really appreciate your videos, I have learned so much from them!!
Thank you so much Frank. Really appreciate it. People like you are the reason I keep making the videos. I have the best subscribers.
@@AdeptApe josh, you sooooooooooo deserve it :)
It's a peterbilt airsweep, it's supposed to get air out of the coolant
I haven’t seen one of those before, but my guess was some kind of air separator.
Like a swirl pot?
I heard that engine and I could tell it was piston slap. To do it right, it needs an engine replacement or out of frame major. It looks like that piston cooler is not aimed right to the underside of that piston. I used to insert 3/32 welding rods in all 6 coolers during overhaul and get them in the correct position in the quadrant of the pistons. This looked like the cooler may have been bumped out of position during overhaul or just was not aimed. It is very important on todays high horsepower engines. You do have good diagnostic skills. Keep it up, you can learn something every day. I try too. Good luck.
6:32 the Fumoto drain valves are great. Never seen a problem in 20 years.
It sure beats stripped out drain plug threads.
Only issue, was when I used to be a transit bus tech. Bus engines are at the back. When a bus would go through a speed dip in a road too fast, the engine oil pan would kiss the pavement. The drain valve on the bottom would go through the pan.
Just wanted to answer the issue about the oil film on the windshield. If it was anything like my drill rig, it's the residue of compressor vapor and the oil we run in the airstream to lubricate the down the hole hammer. It's vapor because you can't perfectly seal the pipe connections and it collects on the drill mast. The mast is down for travel and when parked. Then rain, dew, etc trashes your windshield.
I always put a ziptie on the oil drain valves to keep the tab in place. Probably not needed, but extra security.
There's a cap you can buy for em that has an expanding plug and will keep the lever at 90 which you can crank off pretty easy.
Cheap insurance.
Off this subject but on another you mentioned a while back. A/F on Cat gaskets stands for asbestos free. 14 years working for a Cat dealer and I finally figured it out. I enjoy your stuff. Keep it up.
That was smooth how you dropped your oil filter wrench in the pan but didn't mention it but yet still left it in the video. I hate when that happens!
On your game, as usual. Liked your comment on the quick drain oil pan plug. I couldn't agree with you more. Had one the Dealer put on a Mack 676. Caught a healthy tall weed coming out of a farm field loaded. Drained the motor and seized. Had to Line bore the block and do a major. That was 30 years ago. Never had one on any of our trucks since. Thanks for alerting people of the possible danger of having one. They judge for themselves if it's worth it. Please keep up the excellent work!
Anyone that runs old cats in Pete’s have what’s called a oil pressure gauge and an alarm when there is no pressure. Anyone that runs a Pete knows that if buzzer goes off and gauge reads zero psi to shut truck down. Mack guys are a little slow so us Pete guys can understand how Mack guys with easy spot could blow a motor with no oil pressure😂
@@shortthrow50That was my first question. Caught a weed, drained gallons of oil, with a guage on the dash showing zero- and possibly an alarm?? And we run it till it seizes?
I tested one of those oil drain valves for my company in 97. I was off road a lot, in deep mud and everything else you find on Michigan farms, never had any issues.
That is a bent rod. Not visible to the eye but it’s enough to push the piston out of square and chew up the liner. Good job on the reman work CAT!
One fellow mentioned the piston cooling jet. At Cummins, I witnessed one time these parts were discovered to be made wrong, and the oil jet wasn't targeting the center of the piston. Was important enough to shut the engine down and wait for and install correct parts.
Australia here.That was interesting. I would have picked conrod myself. As a Massey Ferguson trained diesel mechanic I've seen a lot of weird things with motors. But as a farmer I fix all my own machines. Whenever I hear tapping like that I always pick bottom end first. I once had an interesting experience with a Land cruiser diesel, where a big end conrod began to fail. Not much I could do as I was in the middle of nowhere. Started with a tick tick hour later it was tap tap hour later it was like a roaring sewing machine. Bang. hole in the side of the block. And I was still a 100km from the nearest town.
Hope you do a part two video showing what caused the scoring of the cylinder wall !
I’m gonna guess the ring end gaps were too tight and the rings butted together when the engine was put under a heavy load!
@@MrsSunshine75 it looks like the scores are right to the bottom of the cylinder bore, the rings don't sweep that far down.
Overheating
I'm curious what the story is on that burning trailer.
Josh, I would say the little tube is an air bleed. If there's a T-stat in that housing it's to purge air out of the pocket at the top of the housing w/ filling coolant. The noise is probably coming from the piston, not the rod. The rings are probably broken and maybe ring lands too. I've heard it befor on huge gas engines. It sounds too quick for a lifter/ rocker but not deep/ solid enough for a rod. Of course can't tell any of that from a YT video, condenser mic's pick up light metallic sounds disproportionally. ben/ michigan
If you rebuild this old 3406 remember to check the liner packs will work with the oil jets. 3/8 old type won't work with the. Newer 0R liner packs and must use the 7/16 style. Also the thick injector tube washers must be used.
I have learned A Lot from you.
Thank you. You are an excellent teacher.
Everything breaks eventually but the 3406B was the best diesel engine ever made I think. Don't see them too much anymore but what a great engine.
Agree with you 💯% got one myself.
Love that engine!
0:06 guessing off the thumbnail,
Bottom main cap on #2 is backwards, an the rod is bent
I have a quick drain plug on my c12 and have had it for 7 years and a million miles and have never had any problems with it coming open. I also have them on my cars and also no problems. It is so much easier and cleaner to drain the oil. I can also drain it right into a container. Since I don't have my own shop it helps out alot.
Hey, I have a suggestion for you to help retain the mess. Go to Lowes and get a plastic washing machine pan. The grey ones are the best, they handle abuse better.
Just had a Toyota 3B engine knocking like crazy and after taking it apart we found #2 piston and cylinder like the one in the video, and a lot of play in between. Crankshaft and bearings all almost perfect.
Maybe you can use all of that superstructure to hang the engine when you install it. In any case it look like you have your work cut out for you. Keep the good stuff coming.
Park it outside. Put the boom up and use a fork lift or tractor to lift the engine in and out
In all honesty it does look like theres a bridge on number 2(?) Cylinder that's moving around a bit.
I saw that too
saw that as well!
Yup, I agree too
Thank you for a good video. You can learn a lot from an oil filter and remove the sump.
The oil jet which cools the base of the piston could be blocked causing the piston to overheat . Might be the cause or the effect of the issues.
ive had that on several engines last one ford duratec
I though it might’ve washed the cylinder out. Makes sense with the oil looking like it had fuel in it.
Give this man a cookie
or could have been a stuck open injector that or fueled the cylinder and got hot
Hey Josh. I’ve had those quick release drain plugs on both my trucks. I always make sure they’re locked and aimed in a direction where rocks shouldn’t be able to open them. I suppose a guy could put a zip tie on them after every oil change so they couldn’t unlock. My main concern is some other driver having a bad day and dumping my oil at a truck stop as I’m sleeping and it’s idling. Oof. Trucking isn’t the brotherhood it used to be, unfortunately.
That would be a very interesting video to show how it will come out. Then going back in with the spare motor.
Josh
Good morning.
Thank You for sharing this video.
We have a kind of like trouble. The engine has a very thin, transparent oil. The engine pressure drop down to 10 psi.
It has a 6 plunger fuel pump with electronic control module
Great to see the inner workings of a cat motor…my 1st thought was a bent piston oil spray cooler…or a plugged one….I did not see the culprit that caused the sleeve and piston carnage…please elaborate on your final thoughts….I’ve seen plenty of diesels and rebuilt some…I’ve never had one comeback except a rush job final hour going to Baja Nissan/scout that got us almost almost home and grenaded on the grapevine pass.
Pretty great diagnosis Josh. Deep deep scoring. Filter cut never lies. Cheers Josh.🥂👍💪🍻
Just found your channel from I DO CARS, very good video, all I can say is Cha Ching so far unless there is a warranty somewhere for this,
Thanks for the educational video and sharing how even though your highly experienced you still can be surprised
That was piston slap probably overheated distorted the piston. Good informative video thanks
Ouch to the costs, ouch for the guys who have to swap the engine.
Ever notice how when you drop a tool and there's a pan of oil around they kind of home in on the pan of oil? If you are lucky it's just go fishing for it in hot oil, or, what you dropped upsets the pan and now it's a work area of floor that gets impromptu clean up. All in good fun.
I'm curious if you could tip the drill rig upright, then pull just the front half of the truck into the shop to change the engine
You can't drive the rig once the derrick is up. Too top heavy. It's an outside job unfortunately.
I think it would be quicker, just to pull the front of the truck, bumper, hood, cooling pack, everything comes out the front, with the aid of the shop forklift. Putting it all back in is a little more difficult, but easily doable.
The mine scoop, with the leaking turbo seal, looked like a R1300.
Best wishes from the far North.
I think i whould just jack up the rig as mutch as one can and secure it to the rafters. Should get enough clearing then.
Just do the job outside with the derrick up
On that truck the "solenoid " is a second throttle access point to control hydrolic pressure as needed from the rear of the vehicle during a drill or pump...
Mike is correct , Peterbilt trucks used this assembly even used two on 8V71 series engines . It was mechanical coolant Snake Oil . Why did you not crack the fuel nozzle line fittings on the fuel pump to isolate the engine noise cylinder location ?
Great video thank you for sharing, I'm praying for a part 2🙏🏻
Those quick drain valves do come with a locking version to prevent twigs and rocks from opening it.
Never had issues with my Fumoto drain plug. 25 years on my E7 Mack.
Oh you nailed that ending!
Air throttles are pretty common on older rigs - they use a "L" valve in cab to switch from foot throttle to rig control throttles - good prank on the unitiated is to switch it to rig controls and tell people to move the rig
Josh bet the customer says, putter back together. Our shop will swap the engine out 😊.
I wonder if there is a leaking injector on 2# cyl. Did you send a oil sample out?
I'm guessing the scored cylinders lost compression and that's where the fuel is coming from.
Looks like you’ll be using a forklift to change the engine unless you have a large C frame to work around the Derrick or unless you have a dual hoist bridge crane with the spreader bar to straddle the Derrick.
Good video thank you
Man your video is so helpfull and teaching- explaining what to look for 😊.
My 2 liter aluminum block Kia looked like this from the top, with a bore scope ( though not quite that bad) ., funny they have machined spots for piston oilers,& a plan for future turbo option (which I don't think happened) ...Later engines, including their all aluminum six cyl have these jets installed . Some how caught early the compression was perfect ,all being at 204 psi exactly. I added 4.5 ounces of synthetic 2 stroke oil per 10 gallons of gas & drove it another 24,000 miles with the same noise your diesel has ., scary but it hasn't gotten worse & yup I would be interested what caused your failure...Ya , no warranty!
4 corner scouring usually lack of warmup or overheat. Cam ground pistons not round till warmed up some. Couldn't tell for sure if gallery cooled usually two piston cooler jets. Remember single unexplained rod bearing failures-9Y9497 late 80s.
I have a quick drain on my cummins but it has a locking tab that you have to pull before you can rotate the ball valve. work great as I can drain it hot and go inside for lunch
Excellent video!
Before watching, I’m guessing wrist pins, based on the scraping visible on the cylinder wall in the thumbnail.
Edit after watching: yeah I think it’s the wrist pin on that piston. Seen that kind of damage with loose wrist pins on multiple engines. It lets the piston rock side to side on the pin by more than the clearance between the piston and the wall, which then digs into the cylinder wall.
It is supposed to remove air bubbles from the coolant system. Air bubbles in a pressurized coolant system can create hot spots as well as wear the block, liners, liner seals water pump etc. It serves some of /similar functions of a “swirl pot” like used on engines where the radiator cap is below the highest point of the cooling system. As for what the thing is called I honestly forget. On a side note GM used to have coolant system supplement pellets that years ago and Ford had a coolant system supplement for the 7.3 idi engines because cooling system cavitation was major problem especially on engines that had lots of idle time (Ambulances, Tow trucks, etc) that could cause coolant leaks from casting porosity.
Side note if you do not have some side play of the connecting rod the rods will bind or lock the engine.
If I were replacing the engine I would definitely be looking very hard at the oil cooler as the source (repository) of the metal going through the engine from a previous engine problem.
As for replacing the engine looks to me like an outside job so the drill rig can be erected out of the way, O joy
Not a mechanic but I think the low oil problem mentioned is the cause of the gouging of the cylinder walls squirter will help cool the piston but only if there’s oil pressure.
Is that engine scrap? Or just a rebuild?
I had a lifter clip break and the roller rotates and it makes a awful noise and puts metal in the system on my 3406
Really good info as always,
Keep up the good work,
God bless.
reminds me of having to pull the engine on my service truck. You have to pull the cab to do this, almost have to. Never forget to move the hoist from over the cab before you make it so it will not start.... Haha. Job got done.
Nice diagnosis, good logic
I use those fumoto drain valves on everything, even my dirt bike 👍
Ive just had a 2018 2.0 tdi passat come in with the same issue, oil squirter bolt came out, got mashed to pieces by the counterweight and contaminted and subsequently wore out the skirt on the piston on another cylinder. Discovered it after new squirter, new bg end and main bearings and cleaning everything up (in situ obv) and the thing had what sounded like a top end rattle, but a proper stripping showed the skirt damage. So yeah, we do it right cause we do it twice😢
How timely of a video, I have a 3406b that developed a rattle suddenly also. It runs go no loss of power, no excessive smoke it gets louder as it warms up, good oil pressure 40-45 lbs at idle warm . Noise seems to quiet if you bring engine off idle to 1000 rpm and oil pressure comes up to 50-55 lbs. What caused the failure in your truck? What should I look for in mine. I checked over head, pulled air compressor / power steering and ac / alternator belt still has noise.
What was causing the knocking sound?
I was going to suggest that a wrist pin bushing had come loose in the small end of the number two rod, migrated towards one end of the pin or the other, leaving insufficient material to carry the load, resulting in part of the bushing gitting smashed thin enough to leave number two rod bushingless (I had seen this on a 3208).
The problem with this hypothesis is that it does not explain the severe scoring observed on both thrust faces the liner wall. Also, when pin bushings fail, large recognizable chunks of them end up @ the bottom of the oil pan.
Is the piston oil cooling nozzle plugged?Seen it happen.Causes the "black hole" condition.
Is that rod in the thumbnail bent?
Looks like your pulling the front clip to change the engine
Just now coming across your channel. I really enjoyed it. I liked and subscribed 👍 I have ADHD which requires my brain to need a lot of information very fast or I become disinterested. Your video moves along quite well which keeps me captivated. Thanks again for this video that teaches while at the same time keeps me interested 🙂
I also have ADHD and can fully relate. I have 12 certifications and they all took more hard work than people give me credit for. Not bragging just saying i often need to read something 5 times to grasp it but being shown it's night and day.
Very well done on the editing!
I would just disconnect the Darrick and lay it on some cribbing. Two big pins, some bolts, lay the draw works on pallets, disconnect the weight indicators from the draw works, disconnect electrical from the Derrick, viola. Call it a day.
I would have tried to polish the scratches out of the crankshaft if it was not deep scratches I have salvaged some crankshafts in the past but I couldn’t not tell by looking at a video
My gas farm tractor has a metallic ratel nock noise. Thanks I can investigate deeper.
remove and replace the engine from the front .remove the hood radiator and support and transmission . remove the rear mounts and support the back of the engine .remove the front mount from the engine and frame .now move the truck back until the front axle is at the rear support . now block the engine in front of the axle and remove what was holding the back of the engine .now move the truck away from the engine . set the new engine in place , and push the truck in to it .
Doesn't anybody use a mechanics stethoscope anymore? I think they work for getting a little closer to pinpointing a problem.
Magnifier, Loupe or Digital Microscope would allow you to see more detail of metal particles in filter media and possibly pinpoint source by type of metal. Have all three for Troubleshooting and Failure Analysis.
Digital Borescope or Endoscope would allow you to reach up and view areas like the Cam lobes, Cylinder walls from below in better detail. Mine Wifis to Android Phone or Tablet for viewing.
To bad they didn't oil sample at regular service intervals.
Drill rigs almost always have to be worked on outside with mast raised and locked for access to the Deck or Truck engine.
Could of been piston to bore tolerances, ring gap, major boost leak or injector issue. Any thing with fuel or heat really will test out how well your builder rebuilt the engine.
It did seem like a bit of light shining around the piston from above suggesting the loose piston/ring package.
@Genifer Teal I've been a machinist for 20 years professional . In that time ive noticed the tighter stuff will fail quicker. The piston and rings do not have room to grow when the heat is turned up in a high performance application or when ran out of normal operating range . Towing very heavy, leaky injector , extreme heat , boost leak . Those types of issues can cause extreme heat . When those scenarios happen your piston swells causing it to scuff the bore and butt rings. When a high performance engine are built on the machining side of things, all the tolerances are opened up to the looser side and beyond. Every metal grows the hotter it gets.
I have the same problem with my 3406 e 2002 MBN same noise from the front but the bottom of the engine
150000 million on the truck 45000 hour's
Just started this morning, gonna have to take it to a shop as im in Texas 1300 from home and i don't have all my tools wity me
A cylinder that is hitting harder than the rest is a leaking injector that's causing the noise
I noticed the blowby was synced with the tappity tap tap.
I just recently had to put a gear case on a series 60 in a freightliner cabover because it was leaking oil. The only reason I found the leak is I blocked off the blowby tube and it began coming out from the leak😂
What is the part number of that block plug? Does it fit into the dipstick hole?
I think that injector wasn't working propply not burnig well, so fuel passed between piston and liner washing out the lubrification causeing piston seize. The knoking noise is due to piston wear, not any more perfet. As you noticed the engine oil on the dip stick was slitly mixed wiyh diesel fuel beaing that colour.
Great video! You have a nice camera...
As a heavy wrecker driver we hate those drains because of you don't pay attention you'll shove it through the oil pan
Not a Cat engine issue here but, similar to this, maybe?
I have a mid 90's Cummins L10 that makes what sounds like valve train rattle/injection rattle sound at low throttle but goes away when putting out some power. Good power when it feels like it, okay power when it does not.
New injectors and no oil consumption. Anyone got any thoughts?
piston is installed backwards also cat motors have a specific liner inside taper of about 10 degrees if this is not finnished correctly oil sheer will kill your piston skirt
It's an overheated cylinder. Radiator is probably just cooling the engine at partial load. Running it hard overheats the engine. I service 30 year old pivot irrigation engines. Really common event, to have the radiator plug up internally from the crap in the tap water they put in these engines. Buy and use only 50/50 premixed anti-freeze.
2:29 Lmao, I feel stupid. That chime sounds EXACTLY like the one my fridge makes when it has been left open too long. I paused and unpaused 3 or 4 times and thought I was going crazy before realizing it was coming from the truck in the video.
What model of camera are you using when you showing the cylinder wall? Nice clear close up. Thx
At 5:15-5:25 I can see a Rocker Arm that has a wobble to it side to side instead of a straight up down motion.
Liners have pitting leaking g antifreeze on to piston.Had one like it as a cat tech long story .
Hey, I have a C7 acert 2006 in a freightliner. It runs fine when cold but after heats up, will start white smoking crazy and shut down. When you try to start back, smokes up the whole shop and if it does start will smoke and miss fire. If we leave it for a day come back next morning when engine is cold, it starts and runs perfectly.
Checked all injectors all good, turbo had oil in it, we removed both turbo and exhaust manifold, manifold had oil in it. Ran engine without turbo and manifold same thing when gets hot.
We tested the HEUI pump by stepping up and down the demand with the computer but everything seems ok. Also has no blow by
Not sure what the problem is any ideas @AdeptApe
Back outside and raise the drill boom so the engine can be pulled and replaced
Been using them for 4 years on all my Rigs and we haven't had one leak or come loose yet
Is that truck maybe a workover rig for pulling the pump on a shallow oil well ? Or are you meaning water well drilling truck ? Be nice to know why that scoring happened. We always stand up the pole or derrick before doing an engine swap and sometimes it requires an apu to run the hydraulics.
You oughtta see what happens when folks use ScotchBrite on engine components... It really doesn't take long for the abrasive residue to consume the crank and cam. Bearings will look slightly black, with little wear. Mic the cam and crank, call the machine shop and make an appointment for the crank, chuck the cam.
Meanwhile, I sure amd fed up with Active Fuel Management engines and lack of maintenance to them.
By 2:10 it was evident that the engine has excessive oil leaking and was always being topped up. It 100% was run too low on oil....prolly more than once. Moghta had the wrong inhector on that scored piston.....causing the scoring which leads to blowby which leads to oil puking out which leads to carnage
Was thinking the same I know if you just want to check bearings you Crack a certain hole that gets oil last from the galleys I'm not sure which hole though
C12, 1 cylinder is causing alot of white smoke at idle, under a load(higher rpms) the smoke turns black. Issue started all of a sudden & engine is making a ticking sound. I Swapped injector & problem is still there, also making a ticking sound. Forgot to inspect the inspector liner for a crack. Can a cracked injector liner cause this problem? Or is this a bad cam? I did notice a push rod was bent a little, I put new push rods for the intake & exhaust. Injector push rod was good. Didn't notice any bent valves.
Working on it in a hotel parking lot where I just started working(it's a dump truck) no diesel mechanics around here & the closest cat dealership is 1 hour away & doesn't work on road trucks. Yep been hell.