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Hey Josh, I’ve had good luck using a little White Diamond Metal Polish or whatever metal polish I happen to having laying around on journals, after sanding. That kinda fills those grooves in. Not sure how long it lasts, it’s probably overkill but, if you put some time into it, you can really get scratched up journals looking nice before tossing the bearings in.
My factory apprenticeship began over 50 years ago. In unit repair the men used 50/50 STP and engine oil for assembly lube. They taught me to use white lithium sparingly on threaded parts after thoroughly cleaning the threads or sparingly on new threads such as spark plugs. I have been working on alloy engines as an occupation or second job ever since. Never had a problem if I took my time and never heard of using white lithium on rods or anything else internal.
Josh never apologize for the long format videos . Many of us don’t watch Television anymore more and these are our new shows . So instead of you apologizing for it myself and many others would like to say thank you for the longer ones.
Not sure if it’s worth a court battle. Yes it’s a financial loss, but taken time off from the road and probably paying at least a 10,000 Dollar retainer for a good attorney is even more money spent. I had a trucking business and bad service gets written off as a business expense. Just learn from it and do your research before the rebuild.
I agree with you on that, it would be a different story if he charged for cat parts and used aftermarket. This is just a ram jam mechanic who put this motor together, and you’ve got to write it off and know next time put forth due diligence in picking a good shop and mechanic to do quality work.
Thanks Josh, I will be rebuilding a 1998 Cummins N14 - considering its age, I've decided to pull it from the (diesel pusher) motorhome, strip it down to the bare block & build it back up on an engine stand. I've saved a lot of your videos for reference, this one's getting filed under "how NOT To build an engine." My poor German Shepherd jumped up & came over to render aid & emotional support, I was moaning & groaning so much after seeing the damage done to that beautiful truck. Love the longer, more in depth videos shot while you work - the "here's how I do it & here's why..." is tremendously helpful. Thank you!!
Thank you so much. That's the biggest Super Thanks I've ever received as a comment. If you have any questions feel free to email me at AdeptApe@yahoo.com, although I'm not an expert on Cummins. Give your dog a pet for me.
I'm currently doing an inframe on a 8.3 Cummins. It's also a 1998. It was supposedly rebuilt 40K miles before I bought it. I'm finding a lot of crap work was done on it, but nothing as idiotic as what we've seen here today. I've been watching Josh's videos and he definitely has great advice and it's helped me a ton, even though I don't own a CAT engine.
FCbrants, Is there any chance you'd be willing to film your rebuild for those of us who enjoy watching engine rebuilds for entertainment? I'm not a mechanic, but I play one at home. 👍😁
On N14s check the oil pump gear end clearance. 0.008" is max. And brand new pumps. Come at max clearance resulting in low pressure running. Have the housing lapped to bring the clearance to 0.0045" to 0.005"
@@Fucktard2 That's a definite possibility - we haven't dropped the engine yet, still building the "jack stands" to hold the motorhome Very, Very steady, 6 feet in the air, so we can actually drop the engine, Vs. paying $45k + for a column lift system, or cutting the fiberglass rear cap off to get the engine out. So, you haven't missed anything exiting yet. P.S., I'm not a mechanic either, but Cummins has a great service manual & there's tons of info online, so fingers crossed.
You josh have built a reputation of doing it right. I actually like watching long videos of people doing the job correctly it teaches us to be patient and pay attention.
Can’t stand a tech that takes short cuts and gives zero f’S about people’s livelihood. Great video always the right way, there is literally literature from cat.
Learned that one the hard but yet forgiveable way. In high school mechanics class we tore down a bunch of junk engines and put them back together. I got this old dodge 6 cylinder swather engine that had been dusted. Mixed up the caps when taking them back and forth to the parts washer. Threw the engine back together. Go to try and turn the crank to start putting rods in and it’s locked up solid. That was over 15 years ago and I never forgot that moment.
Whats shameful and scary is that the 1st technician has been screwing over hundreds of people. A truck owner like this, only takes their baby to shops that should be trusted. This isn't ignorance we're seeing. We're seeing criminal neglect. They literally said fuck it and went to town. They knew this job was over their head. They knew they weren't doing it right. They knew this engine would likely fail sometime soon. I want to see the first mechanic called out! We don't owe them professionalism if they don't show any themselves.
Yes and you have the problems of scale. My rebuilds were with Volvo red-block engines of 1800 or 2000 cc displacement. Still lots going on, but much easier for a skinny kid to handle. @@AdeptApe
@@AdeptApe I rebuilt one several years ago and started it up. Had a tapping noise when I revved it up. Finally I had enough of the guy who was tapping the engine with the hammer. I went around to the other side to make him stop. Nobody was over there, I beat the "Flash" back to the key switch.
There is absolutely no excuse for not installing the main caps in proper sequence whether they are numbered or not! It is the responsibility of the mechanic to have a disciplined work methodology.
Modern machining has a high rate of repeatability, yet having said that would you trust your life on it? Also name and shame let them sue you, See how far they get with that!
Having rebuilt a lot of Cat engines successfully I think attention to detail, cleanliness and organization are three major keys. It has always amazed me how tolerant engines are to improper assembly. It is not rocket science. If the OEM doesn't do you probably do not need to. If they tell you to do things a certain way they probably have a good reason. Great video! RFTB!
Didn’t feel like it was a long video, it was great! I love watching and learning from a true professional as someone who wrenches on my own equipment but not a professional mechanic. Thank you!
longer videos, shorter videos...makes no difference. Keep 'em coming. Great job Josh. Feel sorry for the truck owner though, hope he has some recourse against the previous shop.
I've always preferred longer videos; more educational content, especially from someone I believe is extremely competent and knowledgeable. Keep up the awesome work...and keep those long videos coming 🙂
Back in my day we would loosen all the main bearing bolts slightly. This would allow a small amount of crank drop and make bearing installation easier. Good video Josh, thank you.
That doesn’t really work when the engine has one piece (circle type) front and rear main oil seals. Additionally doing that on engines with one piece (circle type) oil seals has a very good chance of damaging one or both oil seals.
Just talked with a guy that just had injector cups done and a bearing roll in done at a cat dealership . Never made it home engine started labouring , stopped to check things out , engine stalled when he disengaged clutch to stop and wouldn't turn over any more engine locked up . Had it towed back and they told him their mechanic put a rod bearing in backwards . 😮 And told him good news absolutely no damage to crank . 😅😅 I've been building cat engines for a lot of years and my question is how much Emery cloth and cocus cloth was used on crank shaft to cover their butts on that one ..lol As far as using genuine cat only parts is far over rated . Common sense tells me a core on parts means parts are being rebuilt ,and that's fine in most cases , but tell me what's better a welded reground camshaft , or a brand new quality jobber cam shaft ? Im finding a quality jobber cam lasting just as long as cat cams . Usually the cam itself is never the root problem of a bad cam in the first place . And what is better quality a head that has had cracks repaired in it , or a brand new head casting ? I've put jobber heads on C15 out on hard service jobs haven't had an issue yet , but once of many reman cat head on a C15 and could hear a slight ticking after firing it up after about 20 minutes of running the hard to hear slight ticking developed , and I found two Broken valve springs both broken at exactly same height / positioning on the coil so obviously a bad batch can show up in OEM as well I've been doing this for 40 yrs and I can honestly say with good conscience. There is good quality jobber parts and many time genuine OEM parts is just an expensive name your buying . But I will say there is some parts I insist on genuine OEM parts as well , because there is some junk jobber garbage out there . But there is also good quality jobber out there as well . So only OEM only is far over rated and myself when there is a core on cylinder liners that almost creeps me out .
I've been a diesel mechanics since 1978 and i'd never seen some of the things you experienced on that motor my dad was a mechanic. Also, he taught me it's like you always said. You get what you pay for and some places will charge you. A premium price For a f minus job on workmanship or just playing on ripping. You off thank god there's people like you that are conscientious God-fearing men. God bless you and have a blessed evening.
They’re getting harder to find now that everything has gone PEX, but I had an old buddy teach me to take about an 8” piece of 1/2-3/4 copper pipe and hammer one end flat, give it a little curve as well, the remaining round end makes a perfect striking surface for your ball peen hammer, this homemade tool is perfect for rolling in mains as the copper won’t scratch the hardened crank surfaces. You can get the hammered end flat on the edge providing better surface area against the edge of the bearing too. I have the same 8” piece of copper pipe in my toolbox that I made 15 years ago. Also comes in clutch when you forget your utensil for lunch.
I work in south FL on volvo heavy equipment, I'm curious who did this job. A 5 year old could have done better. Great job Josh, love the channel. Always look forward to your videos
I would have liked to do it myself, I think it would be better than what I paid for. The best of all is that I would have saved $50k+ and I'm still not done, sad but true.🤷🏻
@@geauxtigers70714I seriously doubt the owner of this truck did the butcher job on this truck because how meticulously clean as the truck is whereas whoever did the engine work had a very low amount of attention to detail comparatively.
Unbelievable this truck driver spent time down to only turn around and drive to you to only have more time down, it's a tough business adding a mechanic ineptness, thank God there are professionals like you Josh great job,!!!
Him and I planned his repair out a few weeks ago and luckily we were able to get him back up on the road again in only 4 days. Not a productive 4 days for him, but at least he had it planned out and now he knows the condition his truck is in. He is a very nice guy too, bought pizza for the whole shop and was very thankful.
@@AdeptApe Good people are hard to come by these days. Your a good honest professional and that is very rare today, Happy Holidays to you and your family God bless all...
99% of truck drivers that own equipment, Don't have this extra money to throw around, Nobody seems to be talking about that. So he probably spent between 20 and 30000 dollars for the initial rebuild And then you probably charged another $5000 for your time just to go over it. And he had a nice attitude the whole time, Bought pizza, Most guys aren't in the position to do this, So I'm sure this guy probably had an extra 6 figures to play around with And the extra time of not making any money Nobody ever wants to point that out.
You can take a cotter pin and flatten the eye. Then, stick it in an oil hole. You can roll the main in without damage. The pin falls back out on its own. That used to be an acceptable practice and was in Ford manufacture service manuals in the 1960's and 70's. I was in your line of work in the 70's and used that method. Snap-On used to make a tool that worked the same way.
Cummins actually makes a tool for rolling main bearings in, it's a brass piece that goes into the oil galley hole on the journal and will assist in rolling upper bearings in, and because it's brass it is a softer metal than the bearing and when used properly will not damage the bearing. On Cummins, there is no oil hole on the #1 main journal, though, so that one is still by hand. The part # for the Cummins tool is 3823818. This tool can be used on almost any of the Heavy Duty sized Diesel engines. It even works on smaller mid-range Cummins too.
Replacing the Rod bolts was a most excellent idea, and you explained why as well, good for you, great vid, thank you for sharing with us we all learn more together!
Maybe the bearings was hard and had to be ground because he hammered numbers into the caps in a press 😂 That’s obviously where he got them out of order.
I used to work for Cat building 3600s. This video is crazy from an assembly perspective. On the washers if it’s on to cast no washer if it’s to a machined surface it gets a washer. We should all be impressed it made it nearly 2000 miles to Idaho with how poorly it was assembled.
Great video. Not the most pleasurable job in the shop for sure. In top fuel that's the job of the "diver", swimming in the oil! If you take the belt off the tensioner, you get the bearing clearance more to roll in the top upper main shells. Sometimes it makes it slightly easier. It's the finer points of the repair job that seperates the parts changer's from the actual mechanics. Great quality work, keep it up!
Anyone on here know anyone like this guy except for ISX Cummins instead of Cat? Love this guys passion to do the job right and I learn a lot by what he says. I own ISX cummins though and would love to find a channel for those. Thank yall
I don’t think there could be an adept ape video that is too long. Look forward to these the most every week. You and Powerstroke tech talk w/a-rod haha. And watch Wes work if he comes out with a new vidya…more minutes the merrier .
Great job when you showed the thrust bearing I went OMG really. When I was in the Navy I worked on Detroit’s and Fairbanks Morse. I love your Videos. Keep up the great work.
My two cents worth. As picky about the interior of the cab, the driver/owner should be doing oil analysis, especially after major engine repairs. Oil analysis will monitor the level of different metals, (babbitt, brass, copper, bronze, etc) floating in the oil and can give early warning as to levels that are excessively out of normal range.
Your comment deserves a response. I am the owner of the truck and I am very picky inside and out. I paid for a complete repair including the head. The truck left with many problems from the beginning. And yes, I have been solving them little by little. examples (I had to change the thermostats, full of silicone I had to change all the brake housing too,they never calibrated the truck or they were incorrectly calibrated, (maybe because of the paint or dirt ,low oil code, overheating, code of all the vva valves etc. The truck went from dealer to dealer before seeing Josh. Since June I had been writing to Josh to see where he was working but making appointment with him and going from Florida to Idaho didn't bother me. It wasn’t so easy. When there and I waited almost a week just to talk to the best ,plan everything and make an appointment again in time. (believe me it was worth it, in my opinion great mechanic) cat in Florida no longer serves trucks and many dealers don't have cat specialists, it's a shame but it is what it is . $20k+ after rebuilt sound right to you,there are many things that you don't know and I can't give many details. That's my sad but true story.
@@adonisbatistaibanez4053I don't think many people can blame you for your actions honestly. You spent good money on a rebuild and as a result you expected good results. You should however consider opening a civil case against the guy who rebuilt your engine, this video is fantastic evidence in your favor
@@panzerfaus8459Even though I don't think it is always as to start a civil case easy in real life (besides it would cost more money ahead of only a chance to win and get that back as well) but of course for starters he could lay his consideration of starting such a case in front of the mechanic(s) / shop that did him wrong, maybe threatening that is sufficient to get at least part of the pay back
I work in construction as a supervisor of many jobs. I drive my truck about 65,000 miles a Year and have black stone laboratories analyze my oil about every three changes (15-18,000 miles). This has given me great insight about my engine, the oil I use and the effects of my extended oil change intervals. I pay for the better analysis
Im currently rebuilding a c15 NSX acert and i watch your videos for knowledge on how to do certain things. I've done alot of pickup diesel stuff and have alot of knowledge, but one can never have enough or should quit learning. Im fairly new to in depth heavy diesel, but enjoy it more. Long videos allow you to go into more depth on certain procedures. Thank you!!
This is the first time I have watched any of your videos l really enjoy watching your videos l have scribed to your channel. Looking forward to watching more of your videos also this KW Truck was a awesome Truck plus it had Thee BEST Engine ever a CAT MOTOR.
Wow.. this is wild. We were having a discussion in the shop last week where I'm at about how bad some workmanship is out there these days. Like some of the stuff guys are okay with sending down the road is mind blowing some days..
Hi Josh, Jamie from Newcastle Australia, another very good video on our beloved C15s and no the video was not to long, I'm fairly certain everyone watching could watch you doing what your doing for hours, its very informative, please more C15 stuff, thanks for the video's they are excellent Sir, all the best from Australia🇺🇸🇭🇲🤝👍
This is my first visit and I'm now a subscriber. Very interesting- normally bearings seem non-critical as to how they are installed. I now know differently.
I used the tiniest brass punch I had to roll mine out. I also used the pocket screwdriver, but only to realign the new top bearings when they started to go a bit sideways.
This video showed up and I just started watching and ended up watching til the end... I'm not a trucker, nor do I own a Diesel, but a lot of the procedure is the same as a gasoline... Very nice video. Thank you!
Josh, I just found your channel. What a great video new subscriber here. In my younger days I used to rebuild my own engines. You just can’t start slapping an engine back together again without paying attention to the details of the stampings of the internal parts. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a little engine or big engine. I like watching, the forensic tear down of engines as well to see what killed them.
What Ive found with grooved bearing surfaces is that the grooves act like tread on a tire. Tread prevent hydroplaning on the road. With a crank you want the bearing inserts to hydroplane on the oil between the surfaces. The grooves give heated oil a pace to escape allowing the bearing surface to hit the crank surface. Thats where the polished surface on the bearing came from. And explains his oil pressure drop. Bet its pretty good when the motor is cool. Then it bottoms out when at operating temp. This guy took a motor that wouldve been fine with a simple ring and bearing refresh and turned it into a core good for a complete reman job. Needs his ass kicked along with refundi g this man every penny he spent with this jackoff of a technician. And the content creator of this video stayed professional in his opinion of this matter. But we all know what he wanted to say. Great video man. So spot on with all you said. Thanks.
Gotta take my hat off to the owner / operator of this unit. Amazing condition, inside and out! And credit for knowing his unit well enough, to know that something is "off" about his motor. Being a driver myself, as well as the son of a heavy duty mechanic. Cases like this, amaze, astonish, scare, and infuriate me. Shortly after the start of the tear down, had me going "WTF!" Though I am pleased to see this beautiful unit, is now in capable hands for a proper repair.
For the high spot surrounding the ding I think I would use a small fine stone. Basically it's like a drip or run on paint. You just want to remove the high spot, not the surrounding paint.
So common in the trucking industry seen it myself . Telling people to write it off just enourages these hacks to rip off more people In this case a decent lawyer could get this settled without going to court. There is NO excuse for ripping people off esp with this kind of $ and making their living, jobs depending on it etc. Fight back and stand up for yourself!
The problem is that no one ever names them publicly out of fear of being sued. As if anyone doing this kind of work has the money to hire an attorney to sue them 😂
Fantastic video. The owner 's intuition was correct. Glad it worked out. Hopefully the previous mechanic will give hime some if not all his money back.
i was a diesel roadside mechanic i could do the hydraulics, air system, brakes and pretty much anything out side of internal engine but i join the uscg and went the mechanic route finally got to rebuild a 2 stroke Detroit in A school. ive learned so much on attention to detail i.e matching numbers like on bearing caps and con rods. small things can cause big issues but i cant wait to get out to possibly start a shop. love the video
I like the way most of the CAT techs work, always clean and by the book. Had the great opportunity of working with few folks on a 3500s and 3600s and everything was outstanding. Super clean, organized and fun!!!
I truly enjoy the longer videos, and learn so much through your methodical, and maticulous attention to detail. Your patience as well as confidence in what and how you do everything is truly wonderful. Thank you sir for anotjer amazing video.🙏💜
Details make or break a job, thank you Josh for taking the time to put the video together demonstrating what was done incorrectly, I especially appreciate the way you give the benefit of the doubt to the guy "not there". Although I'm retired these days it keeps my hope alive there will be another generation of real live "mechanics", you know the how and why of what you work on, makes a huge difference in the quality of the video and the job ay hand.
Those grooves in the crank are the reason for oil pressure loss, unfortunately. But you done all you could without removing the entire assembly and machining or replacing the crank. Damn good, top notch professional repair. If all shops and the technicians who work there were this good these videos wouldnt even exist. Thanks again man. Just subbed, liked and commented. 4 or 5 times, not sure exactly,but had much to say😊
Ah, the Florida swindle…as common as cock roaches down here. I’m a Florida trucker and have found the same kind of swindle here, but not quite as severe as this one. There is a saying here as old as the state itself. “ The pirates that discovered Florida centuries ago never left. They are alive and well living in spirit in their great, great, great, grandchildren still living here”.
Thanks for taking the time and your company allowing you to film this great content. I’m in texas and hopefully I can bring my motor to you for an overhaul. I have a c-15 6nz with less than 800k and starting to get done good blow by.
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Hey Josh, I’ve had good luck using a little White Diamond Metal Polish or whatever metal polish I happen to having laying around on journals, after sanding. That kinda fills those grooves in. Not sure how long it lasts, it’s probably overkill but, if you put some time into it, you can really get scratched up journals looking nice before tossing the bearings in.
My factory apprenticeship began over 50 years ago. In unit repair the men used 50/50 STP and engine oil for assembly lube. They taught me to use white lithium sparingly on threaded parts after thoroughly cleaning the threads or sparingly on new threads such as spark plugs. I have been working on alloy engines as an occupation or second job ever since. Never had a problem if I took my time and never heard of using white lithium on rods or anything else internal.
Next time loosen the belts up and the front 2 mains will roll in way easier
Josh never apologize for the long format videos . Many of us don’t watch Television anymore more and these are our new shows . So instead of you apologizing for it myself and many others would like to say thank you for the longer ones.
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Yes. I want more mechanic forensics.
Agree! Definitely not too long.
Just push pause and come back to it later.
YT will remember your last position.
Grinding the bearings... My heart's breaking for that poor customer.
This video is really going to help this guy in civil court. Its a tough hit financially
Can he sue? It would be amazing if he could recoup the loss because from what I hear, the maintenance cost of these engines is expensive.
@JuniorJunison u can 100% sue
Plat rebuild from cat on a c15 is 33k out the door ( i just paid it)
33080, cost mine, 140k ago
Not sure if it’s worth a court battle. Yes it’s a financial loss, but taken time off from the road and probably paying at least a 10,000 Dollar retainer for a good attorney is even more money spent.
I had a trucking business and bad service gets written off as a business expense. Just learn from it and do your research before the rebuild.
I agree with you on that, it would be a different story if he charged for cat parts and used aftermarket. This is just a ram jam mechanic who put this motor together, and you’ve got to write it off and know next time put forth due diligence in picking a good shop and mechanic to do quality work.
"Cheap labor ain't good, good labor ain't cheap".
I live in South Florida, and i was in need of rebuilding my Audi engine. I called around a few shops........ ended up rebuilding it myself.....
Thanks Josh, I will be rebuilding a 1998 Cummins N14 - considering its age, I've decided to pull it from the (diesel pusher) motorhome, strip it down to the bare block & build it back up on an engine stand. I've saved a lot of your videos for reference, this one's getting filed under "how NOT To build an engine." My poor German Shepherd jumped up & came over to render aid & emotional support, I was moaning & groaning so much after seeing the damage done to that beautiful truck. Love the longer, more in depth videos shot while you work - the "here's how I do it & here's why..." is tremendously helpful. Thank you!!
Thank you so much. That's the biggest Super Thanks I've ever received as a comment. If you have any questions feel free to email me at AdeptApe@yahoo.com, although I'm not an expert on Cummins. Give your dog a pet for me.
I'm currently doing an inframe on a 8.3 Cummins. It's also a 1998. It was supposedly rebuilt 40K miles before I bought it. I'm finding a lot of crap work was done on it, but nothing as idiotic as what we've seen here today. I've been watching Josh's videos and he definitely has great advice and it's helped me a ton, even though I don't own a CAT engine.
FCbrants, Is there any chance you'd be willing to film your rebuild for those of us who enjoy watching engine rebuilds for entertainment? I'm not a mechanic, but I play one at home. 👍😁
On N14s check the oil pump gear end clearance. 0.008" is max. And brand new pumps. Come at max clearance resulting in low pressure running. Have the housing lapped to bring the clearance to 0.0045" to 0.005"
@@Fucktard2 That's a definite possibility - we haven't dropped the engine yet, still building the "jack stands" to hold the motorhome Very, Very steady, 6 feet in the air, so we can actually drop the engine, Vs. paying $45k + for a column lift system, or cutting the fiberglass rear cap off to get the engine out. So, you haven't missed anything exiting yet. P.S., I'm not a mechanic either, but Cummins has a great service manual & there's tons of info online, so fingers crossed.
You josh have built a reputation of doing it right. I actually like watching long videos of people doing the job correctly it teaches us to be patient and pay attention.
Very true 👍
Can’t stand a tech that takes short cuts and gives zero f’S about people’s livelihood. Great video always the right way, there is literally literature from cat.
As someone who builds a lot of engines I literally and aggravated watching this, this is insane but happens all the time…
nice save boss! buddy who slammed that minty ol cat together was all the stunned! hahaha
I wonder if the mechanic will watch it, who knows.
@@AdeptApe So Florida ? truck repair Anything and I mean anything goes !
I’ve only made it to the mis-numbered main bearings and I’m already freaking out. Engine building 101. You don’t swap main cap locations.
he was short of fingers to count ?
Learned that one the hard but yet forgiveable way. In high school mechanics class we tore down a bunch of junk engines and put them back together. I got this old dodge 6 cylinder swather engine that had been dusted. Mixed up the caps when taking them back and forth to the parts washer. Threw the engine back together. Go to try and turn the crank to start putting rods in and it’s locked up solid.
That was over 15 years ago and I never forgot that moment.
He was so doped up he didn't know where he was. Hes now probably a mechanic at the BMW dealer down the street.
@@chrisgreig5628probably drunk while working
I bet the mechanic that built that engine believes he is the greatest engine mechanic on the planet. So good he builds engines at the bar every night
The first rebuild was also uploaded to UA-cam. I saw it being rebuilt in India on a dirt floor.
They would probably do a better job to be honest
Sadly I think those Indians would have done better. Not perfect, but better. This is horrible work.
Whats shameful and scary is that the 1st technician has been screwing over hundreds of people. A truck owner like this, only takes their baby to shops that should be trusted. This isn't ignorance we're seeing. We're seeing criminal neglect. They literally said fuck it and went to town. They knew this job was over their head. They knew they weren't doing it right. They knew this engine would likely fail sometime soon. I want to see the first mechanic called out! We don't owe them professionalism if they don't show any themselves.
WOW the owner was right in his suspicions. he has grounds to be highly upset.they did crap i wouldnt do to a briggs & stratton.CRAZY.
Its a miracle it got there under its own power.
Somehow that first start always has me tense, even when you're the one doing the work. It's always nice watching you taking care of an engine.
Confidence comes with practice.
I get nervous too, there is a lot going on with an engine.
Yes and you have the problems of scale. My rebuilds were with Volvo red-block engines of 1800 or 2000 cc displacement. Still lots going on, but much easier for a skinny kid to handle. @@AdeptApe
@@AdeptApe I rebuilt one several years ago and started it up. Had a tapping noise when I revved it up. Finally I had enough of the guy who was tapping the engine with the hammer. I went around to the other side to make him stop. Nobody was over there, I beat the "Flash" back to the key switch.
The longer the better more information is always good in my opinion at least.
There is absolutely no excuse for not installing the main caps in proper sequence whether they are numbered or not! It is the responsibility of the mechanic to have a disciplined work methodology.
A testament for Cat’s quality internal parts & machining/align honing , another great job Josh!
Modern machining has a high rate of repeatability, yet having said that would you trust your life on it?
Also name and shame let them sue you, See how far they get with that!
Wow that last guy beat those bearings like a red headed step child! Great job unassing that job Josh!!
Having rebuilt a lot of Cat engines successfully I think attention to detail, cleanliness and organization are three major keys. It has always amazed me how tolerant engines are to improper assembly. It is not rocket science. If the OEM doesn't do you probably do not need to. If they tell you to do things a certain way they probably have a good reason. Great video! RFTB!
Didn’t feel like it was a long video, it was great! I love watching and learning from a true professional as someone who wrenches on my own equipment but not a professional mechanic. Thank you!
longer videos, shorter videos...makes no difference. Keep 'em coming. Great job Josh. Feel sorry for the truck owner though, hope he has some recourse against the previous shop.
Reminds me of that commercial." You can pay me now ,....or you can pay me later"
Love your videos .Glad to see you put the music back in them.
Video was NOT too long. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
What a great job and so clear video
Wow! This guy really got taken. Thanks for being a great mechanic and also for a awesome video..
ABSOLUTELY TRUST THIS GUY.
I've always preferred longer videos; more educational content, especially from someone I believe is extremely competent and knowledgeable. Keep up the awesome work...and keep those long videos coming 🙂
Back in my day we would loosen all the main bearing bolts slightly. This would allow a small amount of crank drop and make bearing installation easier.
Good video Josh, thank you.
That's also how I do it.
That doesn’t really work when the engine has one piece (circle type) front and rear main oil seals. Additionally doing that on engines with one piece (circle type) oil seals has a very good chance of damaging one or both oil seals.
Just talked with a guy that just had injector cups done and a bearing roll in done at a cat dealership . Never made it home engine started labouring , stopped to check things out , engine stalled when he disengaged clutch to stop and wouldn't turn over any more engine locked up . Had it towed back and they told him their mechanic put a rod bearing in backwards . 😮 And told him good news absolutely no damage to crank . 😅😅 I've been building cat engines for a lot of years and my question is how much Emery cloth and cocus cloth was used on crank shaft to cover their butts on that one ..lol
As far as using genuine cat only parts is far over rated . Common sense tells me a core on parts means parts are being rebuilt ,and that's fine in most cases , but tell me what's better a welded reground camshaft , or a brand new quality jobber cam shaft ? Im finding a quality jobber cam lasting just as long as cat cams . Usually the cam itself is never the root problem of a bad cam in the first place . And what is better quality a head that has had cracks repaired in it , or a brand new head casting ? I've put jobber heads on C15 out on hard service jobs haven't had an issue yet , but once of many reman cat head on a C15 and could hear a slight ticking after firing it up after about 20 minutes of running the hard to hear slight ticking developed , and I found two Broken valve springs both broken at exactly same height / positioning on the coil so obviously a bad batch can show up in OEM as well I've been doing this for 40 yrs and I can honestly say with good conscience. There is good quality jobber parts and many time genuine OEM parts is just an expensive name your buying . But I will say there is some parts I insist on genuine OEM parts as well , because there is some junk jobber garbage out there . But there is also good quality jobber out there as well . So only OEM only is far over rated and myself when there is a core on cylinder liners that almost creeps me out .
I've been a diesel mechanics since 1978 and i'd never seen some of the things you experienced on that motor my dad was a mechanic. Also, he taught me it's like you always said. You get what you pay for and some places will charge you. A premium price For a f minus job on workmanship or just playing on ripping. You off thank god there's people like you that are conscientious God-fearing men. God bless you and have a blessed evening.
They’re getting harder to find now that everything has gone PEX, but I had an old buddy teach me to take about an 8” piece of 1/2-3/4 copper pipe and hammer one end flat, give it a little curve as well, the remaining round end makes a perfect striking surface for your ball peen hammer, this homemade tool is perfect for rolling in mains as the copper won’t scratch the hardened crank surfaces. You can get the hammered end flat on the edge providing better surface area against the edge of the bearing too. I have the same 8” piece of copper pipe in my toolbox that I made 15 years ago. Also comes in clutch when you forget your utensil for lunch.
I work in south FL on volvo heavy equipment, I'm curious who did this job. A 5 year old could have done better.
Great job Josh, love the channel. Always look forward to your videos
This has owner operator finger prints all over it guy who owns a truck as meticulous as that is doing his own rebuild
@@geauxtigers70714I would think that a guy that keeps a truck as nice as that wouldn't screw himself on an engine job.
@@geauxtigers70714 I thought the same.
I would have liked to do it myself, I think it would be better than what I paid for. The best of all is that I would have saved $50k+ and I'm still not done, sad but true.🤷🏻
@@geauxtigers70714I seriously doubt the owner of this truck did the butcher job on this truck because how meticulously clean as the truck is whereas whoever did the engine work had a very low amount of attention to detail comparatively.
I made it to 13 minutes before I felt like throwing up. That is disgusting work. Glad it's now in the hands of a competent mechanic.
Unbelievable this truck driver spent time down to only turn around and drive to you to only have more time down, it's a tough business adding a mechanic ineptness, thank God there are professionals like you Josh great job,!!!
Him and I planned his repair out a few weeks ago and luckily we were able to get him back up on the road again in only 4 days. Not a productive 4 days for him, but at least he had it planned out and now he knows the condition his truck is in. He is a very nice guy too, bought pizza for the whole shop and was very thankful.
@@AdeptApe Good people are hard to come by these days. Your a good honest professional and that is very rare today, Happy Holidays to you and your family God bless all...
99% of truck drivers that own equipment, Don't have this extra money to throw around, Nobody seems to be talking about that.
So he probably spent between 20 and 30000 dollars for the initial rebuild
And then you probably charged another $5000 for your time just to go over it.
And he had a nice attitude the whole time, Bought pizza,
Most guys aren't in the position to do this, So I'm sure this guy probably had an extra 6 figures to play around with
And the extra time of not making any money
Nobody ever wants to point that out.
I would watch any actual authority on something no matter how long. Keep up the great work sir.
You can take a cotter pin and flatten the eye. Then, stick it in an oil hole. You can roll the main in without damage. The pin falls back out on its own. That used to be an acceptable practice and was in Ford manufacture service manuals in the 1960's and 70's. I was in your line of work in the 70's and used that method. Snap-On used to make a tool that worked the same way.
Not all main journals have an oil gallery to use the guide tool with, I always push on the tang on those
In the book for a Cummins ISM they suggest that method. After I read that I was amazed and always do it that way so much easier!
Cummins actually makes a tool for rolling main bearings in, it's a brass piece that goes into the oil galley hole on the journal and will assist in rolling upper bearings in, and because it's brass it is a softer metal than the bearing and when used properly will not damage the bearing. On Cummins, there is no oil hole on the #1 main journal, though, so that one is still by hand. The part # for the Cummins tool is 3823818. This tool can be used on almost any of the Heavy Duty sized Diesel engines. It even works on smaller mid-range Cummins too.
Cat makes a tool for that. I have one
Always used a new unused brass brake shoe rivet to roll main bearings. Fit perfectly in the crankshaft oil hole.
Replacing the Rod bolts was a most excellent idea, and you explained why as well, good for you, great vid, thank you for sharing with us we all learn more together!
Great repair job! You saved him from having to pull the crank out and replace it adding to the costs.
The longer the format the better. The more we get to learn and understand. Thanks for the great video.
Those stamps were either done by an old timer who is really good at it, or some type of press. Love watching you work and hearing your knowledge.
Not by the same kind of person who puts together an engine this way
Maybe the bearings was hard and had to be ground because he hammered numbers into the caps in a press 😂
That’s obviously where he got them out of order.
Its amazing how he drove the truck from Florida to Idaho
You could make every video 1hr we would still watch them all
Yep definitely agree.
True
I used to work for Cat building 3600s. This video is crazy from an assembly perspective. On the washers if it’s on to cast no washer if it’s to a machined surface it gets a washer. We should all be impressed it made it nearly 2000 miles to Idaho with how poorly it was assembled.
Great video. Not the most pleasurable job in the shop for sure. In top fuel that's the job of the "diver", swimming in the oil! If you take the belt off the tensioner, you get the bearing clearance more to roll in the top upper main shells. Sometimes it makes it slightly easier. It's the finer points of the repair job that seperates the parts changer's from the actual mechanics. Great quality work, keep it up!
Anyone on here know anyone like this guy except for ISX Cummins instead of Cat? Love this guys passion to do the job right and I learn a lot by what he says. I own ISX cummins though and would love to find a channel for those. Thank yall
I don’t think there could be an adept ape video that is too long. Look forward to these the most every week. You and Powerstroke tech talk w/a-rod haha. And watch Wes work if he comes out with a new vidya…more minutes the merrier .
Yeah Bro...Honesty is key in this trade...good job
Great job when you showed the thrust bearing I went OMG really. When I was in the Navy I worked on Detroit’s and Fairbanks Morse. I love your Videos.
Keep up the great work.
great job sir.
Thats huge respect if the guy drove that long distance to have you wrench on his rig joshua.
Keep it real bro
I like the longer detailed videos !
Great job , so much to learn
Thank you
My two cents worth. As picky about the interior of the cab, the driver/owner should be doing oil analysis, especially after major engine repairs. Oil analysis will monitor the level of different metals, (babbitt, brass, copper, bronze, etc) floating in the oil and can give early warning as to levels that are excessively out of normal range.
Your comment deserves a response. I am the owner of the truck and I am very picky inside and out. I paid for a complete repair including the head. The truck left with many problems from the beginning. And yes, I have been solving them little by little. examples (I had to change the thermostats, full of silicone I had to change all the brake housing too,they never calibrated the truck or they were incorrectly calibrated, (maybe because of the paint or dirt ,low oil code, overheating, code of all the vva valves etc. The truck went from dealer to dealer before seeing Josh. Since June I had been writing to Josh to see where he was working but making appointment with him and going from Florida to Idaho didn't bother me. It wasn’t so easy. When there and I waited almost a week just to talk to the best ,plan everything and make an appointment again in time. (believe me it was worth it, in my opinion great mechanic) cat in Florida no longer serves trucks and many dealers don't have cat specialists, it's a shame but it is what it is . $20k+ after rebuilt sound right to you,there are many things that you don't know and I can't give many details. That's my sad but true story.
@@adonisbatistaibanez4053I don't think many people can blame you for your actions honestly. You spent good money on a rebuild and as a result you expected good results. You should however consider opening a civil case against the guy who rebuilt your engine, this video is fantastic evidence in your favor
I feel for you the thoughts and doubts when you were finding out these problems would drive some to drink.@@adonisbatistaibanez4053
@@panzerfaus8459Even though I don't think it is always as to start a civil case easy in real life (besides it would cost more money ahead of only a chance to win and get that back as well) but of course for starters he could lay his consideration of starting such a case in front of the mechanic(s) / shop that did him wrong, maybe threatening that is sufficient to get at least part of the pay back
I work in construction as a supervisor of many jobs. I drive my truck about 65,000 miles a Year and have black stone laboratories analyze my oil about every three changes (15-18,000 miles). This has given me great insight about my engine, the oil I use and the effects of my extended oil change intervals. I pay for the better analysis
As a former trucker this channel brings back good memories. I ran the same truck and the 3406 cat 425 . thank you.
Im currently rebuilding a c15 NSX acert and i watch your videos for knowledge on how to do certain things. I've done alot of pickup diesel stuff and have alot of knowledge, but one can never have enough or should quit learning. Im fairly new to in depth heavy diesel, but enjoy it more.
Long videos allow you to go into more depth on certain procedures.
Thank you!!
Thank you for taking care of this truck. Practically a miracle it didn't develop knock
To help get the uppers set, I’ve been using a poly trim tool, it’s basically very hard to break plastic mini crowbar.
This is the first time I have watched any of your videos l really enjoy watching your videos l have scribed to your channel. Looking forward to watching more of your videos also this KW Truck was a awesome Truck plus it had Thee BEST Engine ever a CAT MOTOR.
This video is telling the story about what NOT to do and how to fix someone’s life choices. Thanks Josh. Excellent as always.
The owner sure does a great job keeping it clean, got to respect a man that takes excellent care of his equipment.
Wow.. this is wild. We were having a discussion in the shop last week where I'm at about how bad some workmanship is out there these days. Like some of the stuff guys are okay with sending down the road is mind blowing some days..
The commentary is so good. It almost sounds like a voiceover!! Awesome video!
it is voiceover. he use two audio clip stacked.
Appreciate you work on youtube your professionalism harkens to a bygone era which is sadly missing in todays business culture.
Very good speaker. Knowledgeable. Proper terms
Hi Josh, Jamie from Newcastle Australia, another very good video on our beloved C15s and no the video was not to long, I'm fairly certain everyone watching could watch you doing what your doing for hours, its very informative, please more C15 stuff, thanks for the video's they are excellent Sir, all the best from Australia🇺🇸🇭🇲🤝👍
This is my first visit and I'm now a subscriber. Very interesting- normally bearings seem non-critical as to how they are installed. I now know differently.
When I rebuilt my old 3406 cat I used a flexible scraper to push the upper mains out and it worked great
I used the tiniest brass punch I had to roll mine out. I also used the pocket screwdriver, but only to realign the new top bearings when they started to go a bit sideways.
This video showed up and I just started watching and ended up watching til the end... I'm not a trucker, nor do I own a Diesel, but a lot of the procedure is the same as a gasoline... Very nice video. Thank you!
Looks like a lot of rookie mistakes and that's putting it politely. That's a very nice KW great job as always
Dawg I learned how to fix my diesel engines after watching this channel. love your first person view of these repair and inspections.
Josh, I just found your channel. What a great video new subscriber here. In my younger days I used to rebuild my own engines. You just can’t start slapping an engine back together again without paying attention to the details of the stampings of the internal parts. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a little engine or big engine. I like watching, the forensic tear down of engines as well to see what killed them.
What Ive found with grooved bearing surfaces is that the grooves act like tread on a tire. Tread prevent hydroplaning on the road. With a crank you want the bearing inserts to hydroplane on the oil between the surfaces. The grooves give heated oil a pace to escape allowing the bearing surface to hit the crank surface. Thats where the polished surface on the bearing came from. And explains his oil pressure drop. Bet its pretty good when the motor is cool. Then it bottoms out when at operating temp. This guy took a motor that wouldve been fine with a simple ring and bearing refresh and turned it into a core good for a complete reman job. Needs his ass kicked along with refundi g this man every penny he spent with this jackoff of a technician. And the content creator of this video stayed professional in his opinion of this matter. But we all know what he wanted to say. Great video man. So spot on with all you said. Thanks.
Gotta take my hat off to the owner / operator of this unit.
Amazing condition, inside and out!
And credit for knowing his unit well enough, to know that something is "off" about his motor.
Being a driver myself, as well as the son of a heavy duty mechanic. Cases like this, amaze, astonish, scare, and infuriate me.
Shortly after the start of the tear down, had me going "WTF!"
Though I am pleased to see this beautiful unit, is now in capable hands for a proper repair.
The last flawed rebuild gave you a real nice UA-cam Cat rebuild so everyone benefits from this.
Josh I've had trouble rolling in upper main bearings in the past and found that loosening the fan belts helps quite considerably.
Yes it is very good to loosen fan belts, it helps !!👍👍
Its a miracle that it made it to you under its own power.
For the high spot surrounding the ding I think I would use a small fine stone. Basically it's like a drip or run on paint. You just want to remove the high spot, not the surrounding paint.
Enjoy watching your videos no matter how long it is. Thanks for sharing 👍🏽.
So common in the trucking industry seen it myself .
Telling people to write it off just enourages these hacks to rip off more people
In this case a decent lawyer could get this settled without going to court. There is NO excuse for ripping people off esp with this kind of $ and making their living, jobs depending on it etc.
Fight back and stand up for yourself!
The problem is that no one ever names them publicly out of fear of being sued. As if anyone doing this kind of work has the money to hire an attorney to sue them 😂
I love work, I can sit for hours watching!
Fantastic video. The owner 's intuition was correct. Glad it worked out. Hopefully the previous mechanic will give hime some if not all his money back.
In this case I’m pretty sure the court is going to make the mechanic give a full refund. That job was not done right.
Anyone who assembles an engine like that isn’t going to cover any costs “willingly”.
@@markm0000not only the cost of the job, the legal fees too he'll be broke after that
i was a diesel roadside mechanic i could do the hydraulics, air system, brakes and pretty much anything out side of internal engine but i join the uscg and went the mechanic route finally got to rebuild a 2 stroke Detroit in A school. ive learned so much on attention to detail i.e matching numbers like on bearing caps and con rods. small things can cause big issues but i cant wait to get out to possibly start a shop. love the video
🙏🏻USCG🏁
I like the way most of the CAT techs work, always clean and by the book. Had the great opportunity of working with few folks on a 3500s and 3600s and everything was outstanding. Super clean, organized and fun!!!
I enjoy long format videos. Theyre great to listen to when working and the depth of knowledge shared is valuable.
I truly enjoy the longer videos, and learn so much through your methodical, and maticulous attention to detail. Your patience as well as confidence in what and how you do everything is truly wonderful. Thank you sir for anotjer amazing video.🙏💜
I am really liking the video. Thanks for being very descriptive.
Details make or break a job, thank you Josh for taking the time to put the video together demonstrating what was done incorrectly, I especially appreciate the way you give the benefit of the doubt to the guy "not there".
Although I'm retired these days it keeps my hope alive there will be another generation of real live "mechanics", you know the how and why of what you work on, makes a huge difference in the quality of the video and the job ay hand.
Awesome video learned lots! Best practice, do it right, do it once.
Those grooves in the crank are the reason for oil pressure loss, unfortunately. But you done all you could without removing the entire assembly and machining or replacing the crank. Damn good, top notch professional repair. If all shops and the technicians who work there were this good these videos wouldnt even exist. Thanks again man. Just subbed, liked and commented. 4 or 5 times, not sure exactly,but had much to say😊
Video’s are never too long. Go for it I’d watch even if they were 2 hours long.
This is amazing video thanks Josh.
We had a n14 that had to be "re rebuilt" 4 time because of shady work like this.
Thanks for letting me tag along. Making videos is a lot of extra work for you, I am grateful.
Loosening the drive belt can help with the front mains.
As far as the rest of the engine... WOW!!!
Love the longer in shop vid! I enjoy the story that goes along with the job
Love your videos Josh long or short. Keep up the right way to build engines.
As a mechanic of 25 years there’s nothing more satisfying than doing a great engine build. I don’t know how or why you’d want to cut corners
Ah, the Florida swindle…as common as cock roaches down here. I’m a Florida trucker and have found the same kind of swindle here, but not quite as severe as this one.
There is a saying here as old as the state itself. “ The pirates that discovered Florida centuries ago never left. They are alive and well living in spirit in their great, great, great, grandchildren still living here”.
First thing came to my mind.
Anyone would be money ahead to be towed out of that area and get the work done somewhere else.
I moved to Florida for a year got fired from a job because I wouldn't do crap work and swindle customers.
Great to watch someone who takes pride in his work
Thanks for taking the time and your company allowing you to film this great content. I’m in texas and hopefully I can bring my motor to you for an overhaul. I have a c-15 6nz with less than 800k and starting to get done good blow by.
Dude, you have many miles left in that engine. You're only a little over half way to an overhaul.
Barely run in.😇@@boogieman3165