1. That’s fighting games, if you don’t like guessing you should check out some competitive tic tac toe maybe that’s more your speed 2. Cutting off half the sentence not very honest bru
@@qfrostbite5041 You seem to be upset over something pretty objective. "... that doesn't mean situations always end up in a 50/50" He then proceeds to teach us OTHER 50/50s. So no I didn't misrepresent the objectively misleading statement.
@@jeremiahwise2076 His first language isn;t English, he gets a break for not phrasing things in an absolutely concise fashion. And again, you're ignoring the context provided by the 2nd half of the sentence. "I have to guess, block or throw tech?" is pretty obviously asking if there are only two options to choose from while "I have to guess" is you making up something to criticize him for when he's making good content for your scrub ass to learn from. Calling me mad won't win you any fights here bub, I really think you should consider tic tac toe if solved games and preschool insults are all you can grasp. Go ahead, do it again I'm sure it'll make you right this time!
@@qfrostbite5041 "Preschool insults"? I didn't even say anything the slightest bit hostile. You seem to be the one with an emotional stake in this, what with the "competitive tic tac toe" "scrub ass" and "bub". Context or no context, every thing he teaches in this is another coin flip decision. If you're making any kind of assumption about what I meant then that is on you. To be clear, ADDITIONAL COIN FLIPS will certainly help, but any sort of defense against this fundamental flaw of the fighting game genre being riddled with coin flips, especially from wake-up, is simply a weak one. I prefer skill over guessing, which is why I prefer (The mostly disliked) parry system of Third Strike over the defensive options of most other games. Pros like to dump on Third Strike's parry system because its the end all be all best defensive option by far, but those same pros can't even come close to being able to parry even half of all attacks thrown at them, weakening the validity of their complaint. Skillful inputs are more interesting than reads, especially in fighting games with bigger combo strings where guessing wrong results in you setting your controller on the floor for 10 seconds while the opponent slaps over 50% of your health away. So you go ahead and keep enjoying the game, just like I do, but lets not get emotional over criticising a game over it's inferior defensive options.
This video is incredible. My friends getting in the game keep getting pushed back or getting smacked up on wake up only looking for 3 options, but this explains it cleanly and concisely. Well done.
These are intermediate guard techniques. If you're barely getting into the game, I'd recommend not focusing on these yet, because they don't work unless you can identify their conditions to work.
This is a cool video... Good for those stuck in gold or platinum. Understanding how to do delay throw tech and varying my defensive options got me out of platinum. Now if only I could figure out how to get out of super diamond 🤦🏾♂️
Anime players got a good chuckle from this video because mix up doesn't truly exist on the same level in SFV with the slow ass overheads, you only throw and shimmy bait.
It’s tough for me to pull off delay throw, without it registering as a wakeup throw (I’ve been told it’s a scrub move). Is it better to not attempt the delay throw option until there’s a patch?
i don't know but every time i try to backdash or jump in wake, my characters doesn't move and i eat all the combo or the crush counter. exactly where i need to do the movement?, in what time exactly?.
I'm not sure if that helped me or gave me too many choices. I've been trying to get up to silver but my tap tap game needs help. I get cornned and can't keep up with trying to change it up but also have a safe Move on the counter. Its usually that 2nd level where I get beat and super punished.
With moderation, you don't want them to read your delayed backdash and eat a full combo when recovering from the backdash, sometimes it's better to just take the throw instead of taking that risk, they use everything they can depending on who they are fighting against. Delay backdash doesn't work against instant command throws though but does work against delayed command throws.
@@huevonesunltd is it not throw invincible from the first frame? I know on wake-up you have 2 frames of throw invincibility, that should be enough to backdash out of instant throw
Guys. Someone help me here. If I do the delayed tech throw. Am I right that he means, just hang back a couple of frames ? Secondly . If I tech. Does that also not mean I am throwing out a hit so I could also get blown up from the opponents meaty ?
Delay tech means that you hold back for a couple of frames to block a meaty attack before pressing throw. The opponent has to delay their attack to catch the delay tech, so it opens up more options.
just one slighlty confusing point @1:30 you say some setups cover both wakeups showing alex getting combo'd on wakeup (quickrise and backrise) but right after you say it won't be meaty on both wakeups with alex shown being hit out of a jump, i dont get it?
Quickrise is about 5 frames faster than backrise (Can't confirm the hard numbers right now, this was just a quick google search), so any option that covers both will have a frame gap if you quickrise. Notice that even though he got hit out of the jump, his opponent's *next* attack whiffed because he was in the air, allowing the alex to whiff punish.
@@j.baptistecl.5758 Showing that the meaty setup stuffs mashing jab on both quickrise and backrise. If you watch the inputs on display you get the full picture.
V-Reversal is good defensive option but it’s situational (with your character, v-gauge, stun, which attack you blocked etc.) what I explained in the video is more universal
You mean command throws? Most of these options still apply with regular throws after a tick attempt. Also keep in mind you have vreversal if they're trying to tick you with anything but a jab.
@@pommedemer1922 Most grappler players delay command grab to bait out DP's too. And almost every grappler in the game also has an option to catch jumps that puts you back in the mix. Jump if you have the read, but command throws are a different topic entirely and it depends on the character a lot of the time to know your options.
This is gonna sound obvious or even stupid but the best way to deal with any mixup is: "Don't be there" this is something that is taught in brazillian jiujitsu. Don't be in the mixup situation in the first place, a lot of times you don't even have to deal with it, a lot of times you just can be out of the way specially if you're out of the corner.
@@floofyharu5875 I can give you sone basic definitions DP or Dragon Punch usually refers to a characters get-off-me tool that has invincible startup. For someone like Ryu, its literally his EX Dragon Punch I can also explain shit like "shimmy" and "meaty" for you if you want
@@floofyharu5875 The term "Meaty" is used to describe an attack that hits the opponent very late, which is most easily done while they're waking up from a knockdown. The benefits to this include beating an opponent whos mashing (in lower ranks they almost always mash) or in the case that they block it, they get to be stuck in the normal amount of blockstun while you recover from your attack animation faster than usual. A "shimmy" is pretty straightforward. As your opponent is getting up, you make your character walk backwards a split second before walking forwards and throwing them. This beats people who like to mash throw on their wakeup, since you step just outside their throw range before tossing them, and it also psyches out those trying to block. The name comes from the fact that you're literally making your character shimmy back and forth. And by Juri stuff, do you mean specific terms people use when talking about her, or are you just asking about general tips and tricks?
Ah, the only SF game where wakeup jab, and wakeup jump are good options! People still caring about this lackluster piece of shit game? Why? The community wants SF6 already. Game Sucks.
imagine not mashing ex dp on every wakeup
*laughs in Brazilian Ken
Aaron Cheng *laughs in bronze ryu*
Basket Boi wake up parry best option gg ez
Aaron Cheng yup
big chad energy from this one
"So I have to guess?"
"No, you have more options, several more guesses."
SFV is basically russian roulette
1. That’s fighting games, if you don’t like guessing you should check out some competitive tic tac toe maybe that’s more your speed
2. Cutting off half the sentence not very honest bru
@@qfrostbite5041 You seem to be upset over something pretty objective. "... that doesn't mean situations always end up in a 50/50"
He then proceeds to teach us OTHER 50/50s.
So no I didn't misrepresent the objectively misleading statement.
@@jeremiahwise2076 His first language isn;t English, he gets a break for not phrasing things in an absolutely concise fashion. And again, you're ignoring the context provided by the 2nd half of the sentence. "I have to guess, block or throw tech?" is pretty obviously asking if there are only two options to choose from while "I have to guess" is you making up something to criticize him for when he's making good content for your scrub ass to learn from.
Calling me mad won't win you any fights here bub, I really think you should consider tic tac toe if solved games and preschool insults are all you can grasp. Go ahead, do it again I'm sure it'll make you right this time!
@@qfrostbite5041 "Preschool insults"? I didn't even say anything the slightest bit hostile. You seem to be the one with an emotional stake in this, what with the "competitive tic tac toe" "scrub ass" and "bub". Context or no context, every thing he teaches in this is another coin flip decision. If you're making any kind of assumption about what I meant then that is on you.
To be clear, ADDITIONAL COIN FLIPS will certainly help, but any sort of defense against this fundamental flaw of the fighting game genre being riddled with coin flips, especially from wake-up, is simply a weak one. I prefer skill over guessing, which is why I prefer (The mostly disliked) parry system of Third Strike over the defensive options of most other games.
Pros like to dump on Third Strike's parry system because its the end all be all best defensive option by far, but those same pros can't even come close to being able to parry even half of all attacks thrown at them, weakening the validity of their complaint. Skillful inputs are more interesting than reads, especially in fighting games with bigger combo strings where guessing wrong results in you setting your controller on the floor for 10 seconds while the opponent slaps over 50% of your health away.
So you go ahead and keep enjoying the game, just like I do, but lets not get emotional over criticising a game over it's inferior defensive options.
This video is incredible. My friends getting in the game keep getting pushed back or getting smacked up on wake up only looking for 3 options, but this explains it cleanly and concisely. Well done.
Did not need the info but this is an amazing video to show to friends I'm trying to get into the game!
These are intermediate guard techniques. If you're barely getting into the game, I'd recommend not focusing on these yet, because they don't work unless you can identify their conditions to work.
Everyone can use a good reminder
If you clicked on the video, you probably need it.
@@Y20XTongvaLand facts
Perfect guide at the perfect timing, I'm just about to practice.
Your Firzen pic is giving me nostalgia.
Nice Firzen pic haha
Best fighting game ever, LF2.
@@f1r3hunt3rz5 Davis had a really nice shoryuken
Excellent video. New players need to understand that it’s the mix up isn’t just the option you choose, but the timing of the options as well.
This is a cool video... Good for those stuck in gold or platinum. Understanding how to do delay throw tech and varying my defensive options got me out of platinum. Now if only I could figure out how to get out of super diamond 🤦🏾♂️
Play ranked, win more matches
@@josephwiard6695 no shit Sherlock
I'm stuck on bronze 😭
That's why i love fighting games, you have so many options/things to consider that every match will not be the same
Thanks dude. You have the most helpful content for learning high level street fighter on UA-cam!
great tips! you could make it 3 minutes and also cover v-reversal and the options to counter v-reversal
Not all characters have a v-reversal that can push away tho.
@@oj8512 yes, of course, you're right! different v-reversals need different counter... cant cover that in a minute
Good luck with that lol, love the vids.
I was running sets with a friend just last night and was wondering this. Thank you so much again HiFight. Keep up the good work.
very helpful vid short and straight to the point
I am immediately glad I subscribed. Nice.
Excellent work brother.
Great Video amigo, short and sweet. 💪
I really like the content you do fam, keep it up!
good quick video
Great material. Thanks!!!
Anime players got a good chuckle from this video because mix up doesn't truly exist on the same level in SFV with the slow ass overheads, you only throw and shimmy bait.
Ex dp best solution
Perfect guessing game...
LTG needs to watch this
Damn he really lives in your mind rent free
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😐😐😐😐
Very usefull video, thanks a lot!
This went over my head :(
Is he blocking Raging demon in the Thumbnail?😃😃
No that's st.MK
No
Elihle Radebe st.Mk
THANKS
Well, it all comes down to guessing
I feel BackRise is underrated.
Akuma
Alex
Too bad Ken's truly invincible wake up DP tech doesn't exist anymore.
わかりやすい解説ありがとう！
I havent heard of the terms quickrise and backrise before what do they mean
sajam approved
Nice
Alternative Title
How to beat ppl in online matches
so tldr just take the throw
Take the throw like a man
But if he throws me to death?
So jus take throw loops til u die?
It’s tough for me to pull off delay throw, without it registering as a wakeup throw (I’ve been told it’s a scrub move). Is it better to not attempt the delay throw option until there’s a patch?
i don't know but every time i try to backdash or jump in wake, my characters doesn't move and i eat all the combo or the crush counter.
exactly where i need to do the movement?, in what time exactly?.
I’ll practice defense
How do you delay tech a command grab? Always get 360 by gief.....
If you read the command grab, you have to jump, backdash or interrupt him, you can't tech a command throw.
I'm not sure if that helped me or gave me too many choices. I've been trying to get up to silver but my tap tap game needs help. I get cornned and can't keep up with trying to change it up but also have a safe Move on the counter. Its usually that 2nd level where I get beat and super punished.
Just win in the neutral and take the throw people
Laughing in Brazilian Ken....and Bronze Ryu.
Fuck it, I'm playing zangief and calling it a life
Is delay backdash + throw tech used often in high level matches? Seems like an amazing option
as I heard, in high level matches they just take the throw if it's not deadly
With moderation, you don't want them to read your delayed backdash and eat a full combo when recovering from the backdash, sometimes it's better to just take the throw instead of taking that risk, they use everything they can depending on who they are fighting against.
Delay backdash doesn't work against instant command throws though but does work against delayed command throws.
@@huevonesunltd is it not throw invincible from the first frame? I know on wake-up you have 2 frames of throw invincibility, that should be enough to backdash out of instant throw
しゅごい
Guys. Someone help me here. If I do the delayed tech throw. Am I right that he means, just hang back a couple of frames ? Secondly . If I tech. Does that also not mean I am throwing out a hit so I could also get blown up from the opponents meaty ?
Delay tech means that you hold back for a couple of frames to block a meaty attack before pressing throw.
The opponent has to delay their attack to catch the delay tech, so it opens up more options.
@@HiFightTH thanks man. Great video. Really good
Some of this stuff doesn't work online lag reduces skill imo I'm so stuck in throw loops or 2x jab knockdown where I can't attack
just one slighlty confusing point @1:30 you say some setups cover both wakeups showing alex getting combo'd on wakeup (quickrise and backrise) but right after you say it won't be meaty on both wakeups with alex shown being hit out of a jump, i dont get it?
Quickrise is about 5 frames faster than backrise (Can't confirm the hard numbers right now, this was just a quick google search), so any option that covers both will have a frame gap if you quickrise. Notice that even though he got hit out of the jump, his opponent's *next* attack whiffed because he was in the air, allowing the alex to whiff punish.
@@kevingriffith6011 I get that but then why do we see a double screen showing both wakeups and Alex getting comboed the exact same way on both?
@@j.baptistecl.5758 Showing that the meaty setup stuffs mashing jab on both quickrise and backrise. If you watch the inputs on display you get the full picture.
@@kevingriffith6011 ohh got it i thought alex was trying to jump out there as well thanks for clarifying
V reversal?
V-Reversal is good defensive option but it’s situational (with your character, v-gauge, stun, which attack you blocked etc.) what I explained in the video is more universal
Tokiod complain because Daigo escape using jump a lot lately. XD
Is there sf6 version/edition?
"Just block bro"
How do I know if the guy will land a throw or will atack?
No way to know whether it's throw or attack. But delay throw let you defend both options unless they do something else to beat delay throw.
@@HiFightTH ok, will train more this one, thanks for helping newcomers like me
name of the song?
How to deal with mixups into throws and trick throws?
He said it. Delay tech or backdash or neutral jump on wake up
You mean command throws? Most of these options still apply with regular throws after a tick attempt. Also keep in mind you have vreversal if they're trying to tick you with anything but a jab.
@@budafuka no if the dude mash command throw you'll get used to it and just neutral jump on wake up to punish or just backdash
@@pommedemer1922 Most grappler players delay command grab to bait out DP's too. And almost every grappler in the game also has an option to catch jumps that puts you back in the mix. Jump if you have the read, but command throws are a different topic entirely and it depends on the character a lot of the time to know your options.
This is gonna sound obvious or even stupid but the best way to deal with any mixup is: "Don't be there" this is something that is taught in brazillian jiujitsu.
Don't be in the mixup situation in the first place, a lot of times you don't even have to deal with it, a lot of times you just can be out of the way specially if you're out of the corner.
More options to loose xd I'm bad
thats great but i literally know what none of this means lmao
Are there any specific terms that are confusing you?
@@dekuskrub2154 quite a lot actually, all that shit about 'dp' or whatever and like uhh some others that i just do not remember
@@floofyharu5875 I can give you sone basic definitions
DP or Dragon Punch usually refers to a characters get-off-me tool that has invincible startup. For someone like Ryu, its literally his EX Dragon Punch
I can also explain shit like "shimmy" and "meaty" for you if you want
@@dekuskrub2154 go ahead, and uh while you're at it if you've got any stuff like that for juri it'd be much appreciated
@@floofyharu5875 The term "Meaty" is used to describe an attack that hits the opponent very late, which is most easily done while they're waking up from a knockdown. The benefits to this include beating an opponent whos mashing (in lower ranks they almost always mash) or in the case that they block it, they get to be stuck in the normal amount of blockstun while you recover from your attack animation faster than usual.
A "shimmy" is pretty straightforward. As your opponent is getting up, you make your character walk backwards a split second before walking forwards and throwing them. This beats people who like to mash throw on their wakeup, since you step just outside their throw range before tossing them, and it also psyches out those trying to block. The name comes from the fact that you're literally making your character shimmy back and forth.
And by Juri stuff, do you mean specific terms people use when talking about her, or are you just asking about general tips and tricks?
fuck game, all occasions are 50/50
Quick someone show this to LTG
Are you his fan?
@@suzaku3573 Nope, saying this because he always gets thrown on blown up on his knockdown. He's always complaining that there's no other options.
@@rk9515 sounds like you’ve been a fan of his for a while
I dont play SFV.....and already my defence is better
The best defense is to never give Capcom anymore money for this game lol.
I don’t understand... wake up ex dip isn’t on your list...
He specifically chose a character without that option to show that the situation is more options than just 50/50 without it.
a scrubs guide lol jump on wake up foh wake up buttons too
Man acting like people can’t react to jumps lol. Imma Laura main so imma just take their mix and wait for my opening 🤷🏾♂️
David Crook i don’t even know what you’re saying but i like it
So essentially... Guess right?
Quickly delete this video, I don't want Low Teir God to learn anything.
Ah, the only SF game where wakeup jab, and wakeup jump are good options!
People still caring about this lackluster piece of shit game? Why? The community wants SF6 already. Game Sucks.