Excellent motor and electrics coverage and the standards that you suggest are well researched and presented. I fully agree this design of motor should be a standard.
You should do the B17 again but in LNER livery. I think at Kernow they are only like £100, which seems like a bargain! I just got my MTH big boy in the mail today, it is so good! Too bad MTH put a decoder from the 15th century in it!
I'm so sorry to hear about your Grandad Mark - I'm thinking about you and your family, and I hope you're feeling all right. Rest in peace to your lovely Grandad Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ooh I loved these updates of the older reviews! The originals are great, but it's so fun to see the insights you have from all the experience of reviewing locos for so long!
In the US this 0-8-0 wheel arrangement was used for heavy-duty switchers and would not have been used for mainline freight. I guess it is a testiment to British railway track quality that it could be used on the mainlines there without a pilot truck (or a cow catcher, either).
Excellent review. I like to think that Bachmann are catching up with the proper mechanisms, although Hornby have been making excellent mechanisms for at least a decade!
The Q6 is a fantastic locomotive, and the way the parts of the model break down suggests that other options were designed in from the start. The only problem however, is the boiler; it's not suitable for any pre-1946 loco, but I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier boiler had been at least designed if not tooled yet. It's not a massive difference, but the boiler bands need to be spaced differently and the dome moving. The cab has the vacuum control gear inside, which only the preserved loco has fitted, but that's easy enough to remove too. Hornby did well to tool a few different tenders for the Q6, which would also be useful behind a few other NER locos too! I'd love to see the preserved example produced, though that would need a new tender, so it's quite unlikely I suspect. Always nice to see a proper loco appear on your channel! Keep it up!
I feel like I've been called out... 😅 But I still do stand behind my original comment, my recent Hornby engines have had their capacitors horribly bodged against the motor, one was even soldered so it blocked the DCC socket the model came with. If this is so hard to believe I can email pictures for proof! Another great review though, cheers!
Wow really?! No I do believe you, I just can't remember seeing anything that bad from Hornby... was it new and everything?! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam: You are doing some good reviews on LNER, Great Central Railway, Great Northern Railway and Great Eastern locomotives. This is certainly stimulating and improving my knowledge of their locomotives, enjoying these immensely. Thanks.
I watched your video on the Hudson, that's one of my favorite locomotives, since I watched a film that was made by the New York Central that talked about them, it was one thing that got me into trains, how did you get interested in trains and model railroading in particular
Id love to see a video where you show us creative ways to add weight to locomotives. You might appreciate the improvements to some of your fleet too! Thanks for another great review :)
Watch Roy Smiths Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision channel. He recently covered adding weight to N scale models, but some of the techniques can be used on OO guage stock.
I remember buying a kit cast in metal of a Q6 in the late 1970's, it was jolly expensive and i had to build it! But the Q6 was the regular goods loco on my local line in the north east of England, so i had to have it. So i am pleased to see a 'mainstream' (or should that be mainSTEAM"?) model of it.
Beautiful model Sam! Very successful engines since they ran for 54 years! We're lucky to have a preserved example! I always say as long as at least one example is preserved, we should all be happy!
The last comment says it all. Hauling plenty of trucks in your presentation, but certainly for that money, despite being a slightly older Hornby locomotive, I would have expected more. It's often approached 'the shortlist' when I'm in a 'what's interesting that's for sale' mood, but has never made it any further than a thought. Al.
i bought one right after it was introduced at a similar price to what you paid....i'm glad i did....and as i haven't opened it up to see the mechanism, well it's great to know it has it....so....good one....:-)...one has to be lucky sometimes......:-)
For future reference, the unshaded, flat yellow version of the LNER lettering and cabside numbers is how the LNER applied it after WWII. Hornby has therefore modelled this locomotive in the condition in which it ran between 1945-48.
Hi Sam: Love your rake of owner wagons, a brilliant idea and a very good way to improve the look and attention grabbing ability of a layout. One of the ways that you can compensate for the depreciation caused by the scaling down of items.
just picked one up for £83 - looks to be in very good condition so fingers crossed ... Made my choice after watching your review. Thanks for doing them it really does help when making up my mind about whether to buy or not.
Hi Sam: Manufacturers need to appreciate the fact that A STANDARD is a level you do NOT go below. It is something that you are not attempting to achieve, this is then backed and certified by your quality control department. Then you do not worry about returns or a depreciation of reputation.
Hey Sam. This video cheared me up today I was crying b because my expensive castle class fell of my layout and the bogie fell of the driver fell out the tender broke and more. Thanks
I'm glad I bought mine when I did. I paid £115 brand new at the time (2019), so nowhere near that eye watering 160 quid. Wish I had one in NER livery, and considering how large their network was it's a shame they're so under-represented. Still, I'm looking forward to the G5 0-4-4T which funnily enough is being made by Bachmann for TMC. Looks like they're not far off being ready, so I've pre-ordered mine. PS/ Love to see a review of a Fleischmann loco one day. I was sure I saw a BR80 on Sam's layout once, unless I'm just imagining things!
Prices are going up in every product sold in the UK due to the shipping companies as they are having huge shortages of containers as most of the ships have been stuck at ports due to staff shortages due to Covid and their is a shortage of truck drivers in the UK as most have retired and there are not enough new drivers. Also China are also short on staff in the factories as Covid is still about over there and the factories that make the digital chips and electrical components are struggling to keep up with demand. This could last another year yet.
@@Alpha-oo8 I have had a email off my model shop I have some Hornby 2021 pre orders ordered from. Let's say they are going up in price. At least they let me know.
Inflation is happening in all sectors unfortunately, it's down to shortages in materials and supplies and Covid of course. Not great when model trains were already on the expensive side.
Been in production so long and no one proof read the description on the back of the box (second paragraph about the brakes.. bother engine and tender.. pretty sure they meant both engine and tender) all plastic for that price is pushing it even if it is a good mechanism. I’d be tempted to add some lead weight in the loco and tender to give it some heft.
Hi Sam. Hsve looked at this review again. As I write, Hattons have this in BR black with early crest for £99.00 (the LNER livery model, also available, is £159.00). So, happily, at the moment you can have a superb running model with excellent mechanism for a far lower price. Best, Pete.
Hi sam hornby has done it again. I like how hornby put the pcb in the tender, the tender has more space inside than the loco. I like the raven. Nice and infomative video as always. Keep up the work . 👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪
Nice to see a wonderful LNER freight engine. Will consider this for my collection. On another note, I recently got an LNER loco myself. The Hormby J15. Have yet to run it, but looks great.
I believe that the North Eastern Railway painted their T2 Class 0-8-0 locos in lined black in everyday service. The ornate livery was only applied for works photos, taken opposite Jarrow Slake on the South bank of the Tyne.
It’s a lovely looking thing. I think £120-140 would be a bit more of a realistic RRP in my opinion though. I think the die cast running plate would really improve it
I love the mechanism of this, shame the detail is a little lacking. But prototypically of Hornby I suppose. Think I would definitely be buying one sometime in the future. Great vid Sam, thanks :D
Hattons now selling these at £114, reduced from £194. As I've found myself buying many LNER passenger locos and carriages, thought it about time I had a freight one. This price at Feb 2022 can now be considered cheap for a tender loco.
Sam, Hattons has a version of this loco on sale for 99 pounds now. Also, the loco on sale seems to be a more modern version than yours, since one of the features a die-cast chassis and other features yours seems to miss. Anyone better grab this one before it goes out of stock
I remember you reviewed this locomotive back in 2017 I believe and this was the first time seeing an 0-8-0 steam locomotive. Of course we’re familiar with 0-4-0’s and 0-6-0’s, but not 0-8-0’s. This one looks interesting tho with that wheel configuration. Another 0-8-0 I also remember is the G2A. Not GTA BTW. That one is also pretty cool! 👍👍👍
Another great review Sam and an excellent model but regarding the price. Is it not time to consider the costs to produce such a model against the projected sales? A Q6 would never sell more than models such as an A4 or Flying Scotsman, for example, so the return on their investment, i.e. design, tooling and shipping would need to be amortised over fewer sales. Tony Wright recently reviewed the Hornby A2/2 and A2/3 and he made a very interesting point in that, before Hornby produced the model it was only available in kit form and unless you were sufficiently proficient in kit building, customers were likely to pay around £1,500 for a professional build and paint job. As a North Eastern region modeller I was happy to pay Hornby's RRP for a RTR locomotive previously only available in kit form............in fact, I'd have paid more.
Oof the shade, Bachmann indeed should be taking notes :D As you said for a lower price this model would be perfect, a bit like the j15. Great review Sam 👍
Hi Sam. A lovely smooth runner indeed. A pity about the price, but the mechanism just shows what manufacturers can achieve if they can be 'bothered'. What alarms me is the wheel arrangement. It looks rather strange that there is no front bogie and, at first sight, you can be forgiven for thinking that Hornby had 'forgot' to attach one. The original reason for bogies in a loco's design was to act as a physical guide for the driving wheels around curves and over points. As an example, I give you the GWR ROD 2-8-0, which would look odd indeed if you removed the front bogie. I suppose there must have been a good reason for not designing and attaching one, but it was probably intended for light duties only, hence the limited top speed and pulling power. However, if my layout was based on LNER operations and not GWR, I wouldn't hesitate in purchasing one.
These were for heavy duties on the NER. But high speed not required for coal or iron ore, so on good NER track a front pony truck has less advantage. Looking odd to certain 2021 model train buyers was not a design consideration. Lasted in service much longer the GWR RODs.
Okay John, thanks for the info. My comment on the loco's pulling power was based on Sam's estimation of the model's ability, and not on the prototype's ability. I wrongly assumed that Hornby had done their homework before producing the loco. And yes, obviously the design of the prototype was long before model railways came about. However, no matter what your opinion is of this loco, you have to admit the bogie-less front end does look rather unbalanced. Unless, of course, you have unusual preferences or cannot keep the top on the bottle!
Hey Sam watching this video reminded me of a trick I do with my locos that have Square bearing. If you put some grease on the bearings it should extend the life of those Bachman locos and improve the performance all together. Anyway love your videos and keep up the good work
Yes that's absolutely true - slight lubrication will definitely extend the life of any loco, not to mention improve performance! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I find the 8 driven wheels and nothing else pretty satisfactory visual - seems fairly balanced visually. Seems like for over 100 quid the quality may be had, at least from SOME companies.
I agree about the price but it is a great model and I suspect it will last a long, long time with that mechanism. Probably worth it for that. Thanks again Sam!
Hi Sam. Another great and honest review. I've got four of these locos and a bit of extra weight and weathering works wonders. Question; what is the slope of Gordon's Hill so we can judge locos pulling power up it a bit better?
Sam, love your videos. Question for you, which steam engine trainset is the best in the price range from £150-£250? Im looking for quality more metal than plastic, and decent controler? theres so much i'm a bit lost.
You would not see these pulling private owner wagons. The NER kept the inferior design of private owner wagons off their tracks in favour of their own designs of higher capacity well maintained hopper wagons. Most private owners resisted paying extra for higher standard wagons and were the last holdouts for things like wooden underframes, grease axle boxes and dumb unsprung buffers being just wooden frame extensions. Might have looked good when new but old badly maintained ones were detrimental to running an efficient railway. The NER were likely the most efficient pre grouping railway, even electrifying high traffic goods lines around WW one.
The NER even had plans for 90mph electrification of the East Coast main line, decades before it actually happened. They were the most profitable railway in the LN E R group due mainly to the coal traffic, pulled by workhorses like J21s, J 26 /27 and of course Q5/ Q6
Unfortunately due to the current climate the prices are going up, but don't blame the manufacturer, blame the container ship prices. With such a thin running plate, it would lead to very to a very high scrappage rate trying to cast it out of metal and a much higher cost to the end user or a Company going out of business. The Q6 running plate is quite an easy fix, if you know how. I've had a few of them and they all ran beautifully straight from the box. With the S15 you mentioned, it's usually the PCB in the tender that fails rather than the motor - dodgy resistors.
It enables the loco to slow down more naturally when the power is cut, so that the loco doesn't stop suddenly. Because of the flywheel the loco looks more realistic when stopping. It would also stop the carriages/wagons from stopping suddenly too!
Don't you already have a Q7? The difference is that the Q6 had 2 cylinders, but the Q7 had 3 cylinders. (Raven was a bit of an 3 cylinder groupie!) If not, why do I remember you testing a Q7 about 18 months ago?
Question Sam can you Dcc hardwire a Britania class that is fitted with the hornby single wire smoke box if so where on a hornby decoder do you connect it to or should i wire it pre decoder and just fit a resistor to the smoke wire .
I'm not sure about that particular one Will - you'd need to test the current draw of the smoke unit, and check it against your choice of decoder to make sure it can support that level of current. Adding a resistor would most likely stop the smoke unit from working! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’ve never heard of this loco before. I wonder who determines the prices… do they actually know how much their models cost? Does someone in the office just say “oop, 8 driving wheels. Must be 160 pounds worth” without actually looking at the models actual quality.
@@mattlander9119 but why is it nearly double than what it launched at? Inflation is quick, but not that quick. Especially when Oxford can release a new tooled model for considerably less. Tis concerning.
Prices in China have risen by 10% a year for a while down to labor material and production costs. The Q6 is 5 years old so that's a fairly high increase over those years
Agreed with you, the mechanism is what ought to be sold as a standard : five poles plus flywheel, neat wiring and protected transmission. And all-wheels pickups For GBP 160 RRP, the only defect is its price. At GBP 120 RRP, the plastic running plate and the plasticky details would have been acceptable. There is a neat margin for bettering this engine for the same price : die cast running plate (and even boiler if possible), naked metal safety valves and whistle, maybe some bettering in the cab decoration (a glowing firebox would be a plus), and a Dapol-like tender-locomotive coupling. Everything else is fine. Mine is a correct puller and a nice-looking engine, one of my first OO gauge buy. I love it for it's overall look. And there is not a lot of 0-8-0 in the railways of Britain.
Could be worse I was looking at the price of the American H0 scale locomotives the other day and they are mega expensive at around the £200 mark, same goes with some of the European outline locomotives as they are expensive as well.
@@bentullett6068 I know that. I'm targeting a Roco Rh 52 2-10-0 of the Austrian Railways which have a retail price of 320€... Any continental steam engine is at least 30 to 50% more expensive than its UK counterpart.
Sam Do you think you could try the looking at accessories and buildings like Operating train cars loadable and unloadable buildings/train cars There is a wide range of operating accessories from Tyco life like trains Bachmann and more
Hey Sam, I got this very same one for £99, inclusive weathering by Rails. So I'm 100% with you concerning the price. Greetings from Belgium
Excellent motor and electrics coverage and the standards that you suggest are well researched and presented. I fully agree this design of motor should be a standard.
Just bought mine for 82.50 (VAT exempt) from Hattons. Most pleased. Greetings from Melbourne, Australia.
I really enjoy your reviews Sam, they are fair and very watchable.
You should do the B17 again but in LNER livery. I think at Kernow they are only like £100, which seems like a bargain!
I just got my MTH big boy in the mail today, it is so good! Too bad MTH put a decoder from the 15th century in it!
Yeah maybe I should William - they do look lovely actually! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey sam, nice review but… my grandpa died. Thank you for making me happy for making content
I'm sorry for your loss I know he's watching over you in Heaven Youngster.
Sorry for your loss man.
@@VegitoistheMan thanks man.
@@TKS60163 thank you to
I'm so sorry to hear about your Grandad Mark - I'm thinking about you and your family, and I hope you're feeling all right. Rest in peace to your lovely Grandad
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ooh I loved these updates of the older reviews! The originals are great, but it's so fun to see the insights you have from all the experience of reviewing locos for so long!
Thanks so much - yeah it's definitely worth updating some of the older ones - I can go into so much more detail now!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
In the US this 0-8-0 wheel arrangement was used for heavy-duty switchers and would not have been used for mainline freight. I guess it is a testiment to British railway track quality that it could be used on the mainlines there without a pilot truck (or a cow catcher, either).
Excellent review. I like to think that Bachmann are catching up with the proper mechanisms, although Hornby have been making excellent mechanisms for at least a decade!
Thanks Sam, your videos are helping to get me through a hard time in my life, so thanks
The Q6 is a fantastic locomotive, and the way the parts of the model break down suggests that other options were designed in from the start. The only problem however, is the boiler; it's not suitable for any pre-1946 loco, but I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier boiler had been at least designed if not tooled yet. It's not a massive difference, but the boiler bands need to be spaced differently and the dome moving.
The cab has the vacuum control gear inside, which only the preserved loco has fitted, but that's easy enough to remove too.
Hornby did well to tool a few different tenders for the Q6, which would also be useful behind a few other NER locos too!
I'd love to see the preserved example produced, though that would need a new tender, so it's quite unlikely I suspect.
Always nice to see a proper loco appear on your channel! Keep it up!
It sure is! And many thanks for the info, that could explain why they've only produced later versions of this!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This was in the 2016 Catalog I love these guys!
I feel like I've been called out... 😅
But I still do stand behind my original comment, my recent Hornby engines have had their capacitors horribly bodged against the motor, one was even soldered so it blocked the DCC socket the model came with.
If this is so hard to believe I can email pictures for proof!
Another great review though, cheers!
Wow really?! No I do believe you, I just can't remember seeing anything that bad from Hornby... was it new and everything?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Beautiful looking loco this, it’s quirky appearance always reminds me of the Q1. Thanks for the review Sam. Nothing fell off (again).
Hi Sam: You are doing some good reviews on LNER, Great
Central Railway, Great Northern Railway and Great Eastern locomotives. This is
certainly stimulating and improving my knowledge of their locomotives, enjoying
these immensely. Thanks.
This is a North Eastern Railway.locomotive. later absorbed into the LNER.
I watched your video on the Hudson, that's one of my favorite locomotives, since I watched a film that was made by the New York Central that talked about them, it was one thing that got me into trains, how did you get interested in trains and model railroading in particular
Id love to see a video where you show us creative ways to add weight to locomotives. You might appreciate the improvements to some of your fleet too! Thanks for another great review :)
Watch Roy Smiths Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision channel. He recently covered adding weight to N scale models, but some of the techniques can be used on OO guage stock.
I remember buying a kit cast in metal of a Q6 in the late 1970's, it was jolly expensive and i had to build it! But the Q6 was the regular goods loco on my local line in the north east of England, so i had to have it. So i am pleased to see a 'mainstream' (or should that be mainSTEAM"?) model of it.
Ahh very nice - always a bit more special if you've built it yourself! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Beautiful model Sam! Very successful engines since they ran for 54 years! We're lucky to have a preserved example! I always say as long as at least one example is preserved, we should all be happy!
The last comment says it all.
Hauling plenty of trucks in your presentation, but certainly for that money, despite being a slightly older Hornby locomotive, I would have expected more.
It's often approached 'the shortlist' when I'm in a 'what's interesting that's for sale' mood, but has never made it any further than a thought.
Al.
i bought one right after it was introduced at a similar price to what you paid....i'm glad i did....and as i haven't opened it up to see the mechanism, well it's great to know it has it....so....good one....:-)...one has to be lucky sometimes......:-)
Just a fun fact I'd like to throw out. The real loco was used in the Downton Abbey movie, based on the TV series which also used the SECR C Class
Oh nice I didn't know that - cool stuff! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For future reference, the unshaded, flat yellow version of the LNER lettering and cabside numbers is how the LNER applied it after WWII. Hornby has therefore modelled this locomotive in the condition in which it ran between 1945-48.
Hi Sam: Love your rake of owner wagons, a brilliant idea and a very good way to improve the look and attention grabbing ability of a layout. One of the ways that you can compensate for the depreciation caused by the scaling down of items.
just picked one up for £83 - looks to be in very good condition so fingers crossed ... Made my choice after watching your review. Thanks for doing them it really does help when making up my mind about whether to buy or not.
Hi Sam:
Manufacturers need to appreciate the fact that A STANDARD is a level you do NOT go below. It is something that you are not attempting to achieve, this is then backed and certified by your quality control department. Then you do not worry about returns or a depreciation of reputation.
haha I suppose that's true Leroy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The Q6 is one of my favorite locos
That’s a unique looking engine!
Also I have a question: have you thought of reviewing the Bachmann red Rosie?
Thanks mate! I have thought of it, but I went and bought the purple one... and I don't really need another one :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains i see, and I respect your decision. Keep up the good work by the way :D
@@SamsTrains fair enough
Great video sam, these recently went on sale by Hattons for 141 quid and I had to buy thanks to your review.
That loco looks quite similar to the german BR 55, which i absolutely love.
They both look very nice i think.
I agree. Looks like a G7.1 which is available as a Piko hO model.
I agree. Looks like a G7.1 which is available as a Piko hO model.
This man is living the dream he literally gets to mess around with model trains all day and gets payed for it now that's awesome
28:54 Bullman, why's that brake van hobbling?
Add some metal tool boxes to the running board... more weight, then.
John BC, Canada
Beautiful locomotive Sam, good product from Hornby there…
I think this will look fabulous on your layout…
Great video, stay safe and take care 😀👍👋
Hey Sam. This video cheared me up today I was crying b because my expensive castle class fell of my layout and the bogie fell of the driver fell out the tender broke and more. Thanks
I'm glad I bought mine when I did. I paid £115 brand new at the time (2019), so nowhere near that eye watering 160 quid. Wish I had one in NER livery, and considering how large their network was it's a shame they're so under-represented. Still, I'm looking forward to the G5 0-4-4T which funnily enough is being made by Bachmann for TMC. Looks like they're not far off being ready, so I've pre-ordered mine. PS/ Love to see a review of a Fleischmann loco one day. I was sure I saw a BR80 on Sam's layout once, unless I'm just imagining things!
It is a nice loco. I am sure you have heard the 10% hike in Hornby prices.
Prices are going up in every product sold in the UK due to the shipping companies as they are having huge shortages of containers as most of the ships have been stuck at ports due to staff shortages due to Covid and their is a shortage of truck drivers in the UK as most have retired and there are not enough new drivers. Also China are also short on staff in the factories as Covid is still about over there and the factories that make the digital chips and electrical components are struggling to keep up with demand. This could last another year yet.
Still, nearly double its launch cost is a biiiiit more than 10%…
@@bentullett6068 I think the UK have enough drivers but the ports were shut for a while so near me not long ago we had miles of backed up lorries
@@Alpha-oo8 I have had a email off my model shop I have some Hornby 2021 pre orders ordered from. Let's say they are going up in price. At least they let me know.
Inflation is happening in all sectors unfortunately, it's down to shortages in materials and supplies and Covid of course. Not great when model trains were already on the expensive side.
Been in production so long and no one proof read the description on the back of the box (second paragraph about the brakes.. bother engine and tender.. pretty sure they meant both engine and tender) all plastic for that price is pushing it even if it is a good mechanism. I’d be tempted to add some lead weight in the loco and tender to give it some heft.
Hi Sam. Hsve looked at this review again. As I write, Hattons have this in BR black with early crest for £99.00 (the LNER livery model, also available, is £159.00). So, happily, at the moment you can have a superb running model with excellent mechanism for a far lower price. Best, Pete.
Hi sam hornby has done it again.
I like how hornby put the pcb in the tender, the tender has more space inside than the loco.
I like the raven.
Nice and infomative video as always.
Keep up the work .
👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪
This locomotive reminds me of the G2A and the Heljin Tango.
I would definitely try to buy one.
Yeah totally! Definitely a similar looking design!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice to see a wonderful LNER freight engine. Will consider this for my collection.
On another note, I recently got an LNER loco myself. The Hormby J15. Have yet to run it, but looks great.
I believe that the North Eastern Railway painted their T2 Class 0-8-0 locos in lined black in everyday service. The ornate livery was only applied for works photos, taken opposite Jarrow Slake on the South bank of the Tyne.
Just picked one of these up for 97.50. Looking forward to it on the layout
I have this model and I like it. I bought it to turn into a Q5 RoD. They went to war and came back grey by all accounts
Speaking of that briefly mentioned 94XX, please do have a look at the Rapido 16XX. You'll thoroughly enjoy that :D
Sam can you please unboxing hornby b12, br black early crest
Yay! More LNER! :D
It’s a lovely looking thing. I think £120-140 would be a bit more of a realistic RRP in my opinion though. I think the die cast running plate would really improve it
I love the mechanism of this, shame the detail is a little lacking. But prototypically of Hornby I suppose.
Think I would definitely be buying one sometime in the future. Great vid Sam, thanks :D
Me too Derron - yeah I'd definitely recommend it overall, particularly if they release one in a more detailed livery!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hattons now selling these at £114, reduced from £194. As I've found myself buying many LNER passenger locos and carriages, thought it about time I had a freight one. This price at Feb 2022 can now be considered cheap for a tender loco.
Sam, Hattons has a version of this loco on sale for 99 pounds now. Also, the loco on sale seems to be a more modern version than yours, since one of the features a die-cast chassis and other features yours seems to miss. Anyone better grab this one before it goes out of stock
That was pulling a sizeable rake of wagons Sam. It's not that bad really. It's a good puller.
Best Pete.
Oh man the 0-8-0s are seriously up there with my favorites
Quite a nice looking locomotive there
Managed to get hold of a bachmann class 70 today second hand it runs really well and is in good condition.
Thanks a lot David! Wow that's awesome- have fun with it!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I remember you reviewed this locomotive back in 2017 I believe and this was the first time seeing an 0-8-0 steam locomotive. Of course we’re familiar with 0-4-0’s and 0-6-0’s, but not 0-8-0’s. This one looks interesting tho with that wheel configuration. Another 0-8-0 I also remember is the G2A. Not GTA BTW. That one is also pretty cool! 👍👍👍
Thanks for the awesome content, Sam! One question - what's typically the voltage on the rails when locomotives start to crawl?
Great review and article great locomotives dave keep them coming sam love watching your videos best channel on u tube dsve
Another great review Sam and an excellent model but regarding the price. Is it not time to consider the costs to produce such a model against the projected sales? A Q6 would never sell more than models such as an A4 or Flying Scotsman, for example, so the return on their investment, i.e. design, tooling and shipping would need to be amortised over fewer sales. Tony Wright recently reviewed the Hornby A2/2 and A2/3 and he made a very interesting point in that, before Hornby produced the model it was only available in kit form and unless you were sufficiently proficient in kit building, customers were likely to pay around £1,500 for a professional build and paint job. As a North Eastern region modeller I was happy to pay Hornby's RRP for a RTR locomotive previously only available in kit form............in fact, I'd have paid more.
Oof the shade, Bachmann indeed should be taking notes :D
As you said for a lower price this model would be perfect, a bit like the j15. Great review Sam 👍
Ooh another LNER loco, excellent review as ever. I always love LNER locos although I don't know why
Yep, got to love LNER! Glad you enjoyed it mate,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is going to look great on my new layout
Sam destroys Bachmann defenders with facts and logic
@@kellypaws what are you on about
Q6 is owned by NELPEG and is based at NYMR along with the J27 which is also owned by NELPEG.
Hi Sam.
A lovely smooth runner indeed. A pity about the price, but the mechanism just shows what manufacturers can achieve if they can be 'bothered'. What alarms me is the wheel arrangement. It looks rather strange that there is no front bogie and, at first sight, you can be forgiven for thinking that Hornby had 'forgot' to attach one. The original reason for bogies in a loco's design was to act as a physical guide for the driving wheels around curves and over points. As an example, I give you the GWR ROD 2-8-0, which would look odd indeed if you removed the front bogie. I suppose there must have been a good reason for not designing and attaching one, but it was probably intended for light duties only, hence the limited top speed and pulling power. However, if my layout was based on LNER operations and not GWR, I wouldn't hesitate in purchasing one.
These were for heavy duties on the NER. But high speed not required for coal or iron ore, so on good NER track a front pony truck has less advantage. Looking odd to certain 2021 model train buyers was not a design consideration. Lasted in service much longer the GWR RODs.
Okay John, thanks for the info.
My comment on the loco's pulling power was based on Sam's estimation of the model's ability, and not on the prototype's ability. I wrongly assumed that Hornby had done their homework before producing the loco. And yes, obviously the design of the prototype was long before model railways came about. However, no matter what your opinion is of this loco, you have to admit the bogie-less front end does look rather unbalanced. Unless, of course, you have unusual preferences or cannot keep the top on the bottle!
Hey Sam's train because I am really sure it as alway loved a character hornby black the long train.
Despite it's relatively few shortfalls Sam, this is an indication of what can be achieved...Bob
I think I might go into liquidation if i bought one. Loved the video Sam thank you. 🐖🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🚄🚅
Hey Sam watching this video reminded me of a trick I do with my locos that have Square bearing. If you put some grease on the bearings it should extend the life of those Bachman locos and improve the performance all together. Anyway love your videos and keep up the good work
Yes that's absolutely true - slight lubrication will definitely extend the life of any loco, not to mention improve performance! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I find the 8 driven wheels and nothing else pretty satisfactory visual - seems fairly balanced visually.
Seems like for over 100 quid the quality may be had, at least from SOME companies.
Your railway really is looking Bigger than ever before. maybe you should give your railway a name.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive I will be getting one of these
All wheels have pick ups and round bearings
you listening Bachmann
haha exactly!! xD
I was going to ask you to re-review the G2a, but I watched your old video and now might have already bought one....
I agree about the price but it is a great model and I suspect it will last a long, long time with that mechanism. Probably worth it for that. Thanks again Sam!
a beauty !! - well done Hornby
I hope we can get a re-review of another nelpg loco by Hornby, the rather lovely K1 🙂
Hi Sam. Another great and honest review. I've got four of these locos and a bit of extra weight and weathering works wonders. Question; what is the slope of Gordon's Hill so we can judge locos pulling power up it a bit better?
Sam, love your videos. Question for you, which steam engine trainset is the best in the price range from £150-£250? Im looking for quality more metal than plastic, and decent controler? theres so much i'm a bit lost.
How do you control each train independently
You would not see these pulling private owner wagons.
The NER kept the inferior design of private owner wagons off their tracks in favour of their own designs of higher capacity well maintained hopper wagons.
Most private owners resisted paying extra for higher standard wagons and were the last holdouts for things like wooden underframes, grease axle boxes and dumb unsprung buffers being just wooden frame extensions.
Might have looked good when new but old badly maintained ones were detrimental to running an efficient railway.
The NER were likely the most efficient pre grouping railway, even electrifying high traffic goods lines around WW one.
@@jennifersmith842 good, other than my phone dying near a year ago and losing heaps of phone contacts.
The NER even had plans for 90mph electrification of the East Coast main line, decades before it actually happened. They were the most profitable railway in the LN E R group due mainly to the coal traffic, pulled by workhorses like J21s, J 26 /27 and of course Q5/ Q6
I love this engine so much and I don’t know why
Unfortunately due to the current climate the prices are going up, but don't blame the manufacturer, blame the container ship prices.
With such a thin running plate, it would lead to very to a very high scrappage rate trying to cast it out of metal and a much higher cost to the end user or a Company going out of business.
The Q6 running plate is quite an easy fix, if you know how. I've had a few of them and they all ran beautifully straight from the box.
With the S15 you mentioned, it's usually the PCB in the tender that fails rather than the motor - dodgy resistors.
So what function does the flywheel perform?
It enables the loco to slow down more naturally when the power is cut, so that the loco doesn't stop suddenly. Because of the flywheel the loco looks more realistic when stopping. It would also stop the carriages/wagons from stopping suddenly too!
Reminds me of the Heljan Tango to some extent 👌 another great video!!
haha yeah... though it's a far better model than that! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Don't you already have a Q7? The difference is that the Q6 had 2 cylinders, but the Q7 had 3 cylinders. (Raven was a bit of an 3 cylinder groupie!) If not, why do I remember you testing a Q7 about 18 months ago?
Question Sam can you Dcc hardwire a Britania class that is fitted with the hornby single wire smoke box if so where on a hornby decoder do you connect it to or should i wire it pre decoder and just fit a resistor to the smoke wire .
I'm not sure about that particular one Will - you'd need to test the current draw of the smoke unit, and check it against your choice of decoder to make sure it can support that level of current. Adding a resistor would most likely stop the smoke unit from working!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Cheers i shall jump into the deep end.
I’ve never heard of this loco before.
I wonder who determines the prices… do they actually know how much their models cost? Does someone in the office just say “oop, 8 driving wheels. Must be 160 pounds worth” without actually looking at the models actual quality.
It's down to manufacturing and research costs, each new model has to cover all costs to get it to market in the first run
@@mattlander9119 but why is it nearly double than what it launched at? Inflation is quick, but not that quick. Especially when Oxford can release a new tooled model for considerably less.
Tis concerning.
Prices in China have risen by 10% a year for a while down to labor material and production costs. The Q6 is 5 years old so that's a fairly high increase over those years
@@Alpha-oo8 Oxford models loco's dont tend to be up there with Bachmann or Hornby's detail level
@@mattlander9119 if you say so. Just by watching the reviews, I’d gotten the impression they were roughly the same, or not that far behind
What is cogging? It seems to get mentioned regularly.
Can the Raven do the tango? Or does it outdo it by about a million times?
Its kiss is sweet, as sweet as candy........ but honey beats your kisses by million miles. (apologies, couldn't resist a Syreeta quote!)
Agreed with you, the mechanism is what ought to be sold as a standard : five poles plus flywheel, neat wiring and protected transmission. And all-wheels pickups
For GBP 160 RRP, the only defect is its price. At GBP 120 RRP, the plastic running plate and the plasticky details would have been acceptable.
There is a neat margin for bettering this engine for the same price : die cast running plate (and even boiler if possible), naked metal safety valves and whistle, maybe some bettering in the cab decoration (a glowing firebox would be a plus), and a Dapol-like tender-locomotive coupling. Everything else is fine.
Mine is a correct puller and a nice-looking engine, one of my first OO gauge buy. I love it for it's overall look. And there is not a lot of 0-8-0 in the railways of Britain.
Could be worse I was looking at the price of the American H0 scale locomotives the other day and they are mega expensive at around the £200 mark, same goes with some of the European outline locomotives as they are expensive as well.
@@bentullett6068 I know that. I'm targeting a Roco Rh 52 2-10-0 of the Austrian Railways which have a retail price of 320€... Any continental steam engine is at least 30 to 50% more expensive than its UK counterpart.
HI Sam are you going to be getting the new Hornby W1 in any of its styles? i'd love to see that on your layout!
Sam. Do you know if anyone makes a LNER K2
Great video sam
Sam Do you think you could try the looking at accessories and buildings like Operating train cars loadable and unloadable buildings/train cars There is a wide range of operating accessories from Tyco life like trains Bachmann and more
Maybe! Those are fun to try - hopefully I'll do some one day!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome video sam
Ooo this is unique.
I also had a funny idea, for a 100k special you could review a real life engine lol
Thank you
Oh yes, imagine Sam reviewing an S15 in real life - that would be rather good!
Hi Sam hope your ok I like the look of these I might look around and get one
She is very powerfull. And a beauty! Try the next time a german br 50 or a 52 or maybe a br 44? (Roco or Fleischmann)
I do like the LNER And LBSCR class locomotives
Yeah me too Ayo! :D
You make amazing content 😊😊😊🤩🤩
Thank you so much!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)