How to buy a Mustang GT350 - The Smart Way | Depreciation and Buying guide
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2019
- In this buying and depreciation guide of the Ford Mustang Shelby GT 350, I’m showing you the depreciation per year and per 100 miles driven. Furthermore, I show what the forecasted values and fair purchasing prices are and how the depreciation numbers compare to the Porsche 911 991, Corvette C7 Z06, and the Corvette C7 Stingray. Searching for a Mustang GT350? Then this is the video to watch.
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The video is structured in a top-down way. That means that we first have a look at the market as a whole and some general price levels for the Mustang Shelby GT350. After this, we will dive into the details.
Specifically, this means that the video for the GT350 is split a few parts. In the first part, we will explore the market and have a look at the average price points. In the second part, we will figure out the depreciation per year and compare these depreciation curve to some other cars in the price segment. In the third part, we will have a look at the depreciation per 1000 miles driven. In the fourth part, we will combine the information on the depreciation per year and per 1000 miles to make a more accurate forecast. Finally, at the end of the video, I will show you what a fair purchasing price is for the Shelby GT350
Note that the video only covers the Shelby GT350. The GT350R is not included and will be covered in a later video.
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The Content is for educational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice. Nothing contained in this video constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, or endorsement to buy or sell any cars.
The information published has been obtained from or is based on sources which are believed to be accurate and complete. Although reasonable care has been taken, the completeness and the accuracy of any information published cannot be guaranteed. Any opinions may be wrong and may change at any time. You should always carry out your own independent verification of facts and data before making any purchase decision. - Авто та транспорт
Loving all the illustrations as well as the effort that you put into your research! Wonderful video, can’t wait for the Giulia Quadrifoglio
Thanks, the Giulia will be covered soon.
Perfect timing, I'm actually shopping for a gt350 and this video pops up
How did you make out? I am in the market for one also. Canadian car market is nothing like America, so my search might not pan out.
Just bought mine, it's on its way to Florida from Arizona. Bought it used (2018), someone else took the hit on the depreciation and not me. Thankfully the dealer threw in a 7 year 100k mile warranty.
@@dan4500 how much did you pay if you don't mind
@@joehunt3512 $47k, the dealer covered the $1499 shipping fee (closed container shipping vs flatbed) They offered to fly a salesman out there and drive it here lol, I declined that.
The car has 12k miles on it, while I know those were probably abused miles, the warranty kind of alleviates my worries here.
Amazing job like always, saves up from predator dealers and help understand where our car will stand in the next few years. You are the stock trader of cars.
Nicely done! Thank you for this video.
Thanks for your video. I just picked up a 2018 GT350 for $49K and it only 1440 miles on the odometer .
Congrats on your new car!
Private sale? That doesn't sound like a price a dealer would let it go for. Any options? Carfax report clear? It's gotta be something makes it that cheap.
Bill Groves Bill it was at a dealer. Carfax is clean and I ran an Oasis report and looked the car over from top to bottom on a lift. Car was spotless. They started at $53K and we went back and forth for 2 weeks and got them to $49K. They drilled the front bumper and I was ready to walk so they dropped it another $1K.
@@thillyard1 Well congrats man, that's then a stellar deal - unusually so, what options? BTW - I can relate on the front plate - my dealer give me the bracket (his idea) to take away the day the transport dropped it off - that way no temptation/mistakes by the shop in mounting it as a whoops during prep ;-). Changing subjects - If you're not already on there come on over to the mustang6g.com forum GT350 section and say hello. Things are a little bit slower with many of us putting our 350's in storage for the winter but its generally a group of friendly folks who like to share information including GT350 acquisitions, mods, experiences in general & questions (just put on ignore anyone who's an ahole) Cheers!
Bill Groves Thanks Bill I’m on the forum but not too active. There’s a Facbook Grouo too. My options are electronics package, Recaro seats, and over the top stripe. There was a 17 close by me that had the same options and only 6K miles and was $42K with clean Carfax (private sale). I almost bought it but it was yellow and I wasn’t sure about the color. Needed new tires too.
Would love to see a update as they have discontinued the GT350 in 2020. I just sold my 997.2 and that car appreciated a lot since I first purchased it. Of course, I don't drive cars based on any of this. I drive what I'm passionate about. It's only money.
exactly what i want to see, i hope it depreciates a whole lot more once more gt500's are on the road as i plan to pick a gt350 up :)
With the engine problems that are inherent with these vehicles make sure you having an extra $20k -$30k on hand as you will be out of warranty.
giveyouashot what engine problems occur with these? And you’re only talking about the gt350 correct?
@@amirtuzlakovic3587 he doesn't know because he doesn't have one he's just a moron. I have a 2016 gt350 I got it with 2k miles on her now she has 14k and runs perfect.
@@shanefowler9443 great, now let me ask you something, what car is better for day to day driving overall with everything taken into consideration, a 2015 mustang gt, or a 2015 Audi S4. Or a 2015 bmw 335i? The Audi and mustang are more reliable cars and all 3 on the list have around the same 0-60
@@amirtuzlakovic3587 I'd go mustang because it's cheaper for parts and easier to hook up. But if you dont want to drive manual and you're going to stay stock then get the s4
Mustang GT 500 request here. Keep up the great work!!
Great video, looks like I got a pretty good deal on my low mileage 2018 GT350.
How much did you get it? Competition seat?
Awesome video!
Despite that “like” button sound being so loud, I really enjoy your content! Easy sub!
Thanks! I already reduced the like button sound in more recent videos :)
Would love to see a follow up on this in the near future!
incredible job dude
Thanks. Which car would you like to see analysed next?
Great video
That's why I subscribed
Thanks!
Fantastic!
Awesome vid!
I got mine new back in 2017 for $55k.
Looking at my milage and depreciation, it looks like I haven't gone negative equity! Haha
Man I wish I had a gt350.. I’m looking to import one from america but I got a question maybe you can help? do is the sound of the 2017 the same as the 2018+? And is it possible to install digital display in the 2017
@@pallas12345 they sound the same and unless you have a programmer that can change the 8200 red line no
Love your analysis...as you know, depreciation is typically the greatest cost of owning a car. However, most people seem to be ignorant of this fact. I wish you would analyze the Mercedes SL550...a good competitor to the Corvette. Thank you for your work!
i love this
The wholesale prices for these cars are going up as we speak. As 2020 is the last year of this model this is the next “collectible” mustang to have. All the tech is great In the 2020 GT500 however that car is just fords answer to the Hellcat red eye/demon etc. hold onto your 350’s. It has a very special motor, especially the 19-20 units as they beefed up the 5.2 voodoo block!
Damn right. This is the only year I’m looking into getting by damn the price has gone up…
Dude..: this was impressive. I wish I knew how to put all that information together for other things in the future.
Would you prefer a written version of the video?
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis sure! If you have it freely available. Macquesten@gmail.com. Thank you!
Late last year I picked up a 10 month old 2018 GT350 with Recaro and electronics package (and over the top stripe) for $49K. Car had 1400 miles and was in perfect condition. Bought it in late December in Rhode Island . Dealer started at $55K and over a few weeks we finally agreed at $49K. I fought for $48K but they were done negotiating.
The brand new 19’s within a four state drive were all $57K+. With some of the savings I will buy a 10year warranty on the power train from Ford.
Thank You for putting this together, I need the GT350R done, if possible?
Thank you for your analysis would you consider also doing the Shelby GT 350 R version?
With everything going to DCT and forced induction. I can see this car breaking 6 figures in the future. The tremac gearbox and 8250 reving NA V8 will be history soon.
don't say stuff like that lol
Not gonna happen.
Reply here years later
@@Callitwhatitis idk man this gen of mustang is very good looking. Additionally it has one of the best engine ever created and the R has carbon fiber wheels
@@Callitwhatitis the r already sells for 100k with low miles.
@@Callitwhatitis here is a year later, R low miles for the 19/20s are going no cheaper than 130K with under 4k miles 😅
Bought my ‘18 GT350 new about 18 months ago, paid about $1k over sticker. I drive the hell out of it, as it should be, and it’s got 12k miles on it now. Value seems to be holding up as my loan payoff is smack in the middle of what KBB shows for the private sale value, and I keep getting offers from the dealer to buy it back for what I owe.
The value of the GT350 Track Attack I got to attend was over $2k, so I’m quite pleased with the ongoing value of the car.
Not at all worried about engine problems, as it should have failed before now if I had a problem. Even if something does go wrong, Ford will just replace the entire engine with a 2019 or 2020 model for free. I might consider letting them buy it back when the 2020 models are out... meanwhile I’ll keep enjoying the car.
Sounds like you got a great car. Enjoy.
Hey man, can you clarify on what you mean if the engine blows? Ford will cover this under warranty? Do you have extended warranty on it?
@@ManchesterUtdFan if the engine fails due to no fault of your own under warranty (no mods, no oil starvation, etc), they replace the engine with a gen 2 model.
@@thinbits I just bought a 2017 with 3500 miles. Is my engine under warranty against failure? Now has 5k miles
I had bought a gt350r a week ago and I was debating whether I should have gotten a demon bc I was stuck between the two but I am lowkey glad with my decision
Congrats on your new car!
Ty’s Life The demon is for straight line freaks, the gt350r is a track car, fast in every aspect not just in a straight line
Bruh the Gt350 r is a far better car, are you high lol?
Fact of the Matter nah bc i been had enough money to choose either a demon or a gt350r n I really wanted both but I can only have one for now n I didn’t kno what I wanted buh I jus went with the gt350r
the 2015 model year is a very special case as a very small number of examples were made, so I'm curious how this affects the results. For example, take a look at Bring A Trailer for a recently sold 15 with a silly premium. we'll see how things develop, but I hope the curve hasn't flattened. hoping to see these go mid 30's in the next year or 2. I think the 2017+ models will probably remain the highest and is where a better forecast can be made.
Thanks for the info, I was not aware that the 2015 ones were sold for a premium. They are indeed quite rare as there are only 4 for sale. All the figures by the way, except the forecast, include the cars from 2015. The forecast applies to cars with model year 2016.
this is my favorite car
Im in the market for a gt350 right now, the numbers are pretty close!
You found a way to make math interesting!
Assuming excellent condition what would be a good price for a GT350 and which year? I’m thinking maybe a 2018 or 2019 used? Or 2016 low miles? Over the years modifications were made. Early models were prone to over heating and other issues. Generally newest ones are best. They are no longer being made so maybe wait for a 2019!
Your video was very informative. I have been looking for months and found that cars with mileage 20 thousands or more are in the price range of mid 50 thousands. I'm looking at one with 1400 miles on body stripes 2018 for 63000 thousands very very clean. What do you think?? Is that a decent deal?
The depreciation from the 2016-18 model years compared to the 2019-20 model years is pretty skewed in my opinion. The 2019-20 models are better built and carry over parts from the 2020 gt500 predator motor. They also come standard with features that were sold as packages or addons in the earlier years. I think the newer models will hold their value much better and they are the reason for the heavy decline in the first model years.
Can you do one on the GT350R? I subscribed btw!
Thanks. It is very difficult to make a video about the GT350R because many dealers dont advertise them as being a 'R'.
Loads of detailed information and yes I could stop the video occassionally to digest the info, but then again, maybe you could slow down just a bit so we can take in exactly what the graphes are indicating in real time. Interesting analysis and info.
You are right, i go quite fast through the numbers. It is a difficult balance to maintain; to fast and people can't follow it, to slow and people might loose interest.
@@fourwheeltrader You're not fast ... just a lot of people don't understand this concept as it's too new to them. Keep up the pace :-)
So, it appears that if I want a GT350 I should wait 3 to 4 years. This is right about the same time the manufacturer warrente expires. The GT500 and Super Snake will also impact priceing of the GT350. The waiting begins for the right time and car begins.
Can you please analyze R version? Thanks
Bought an ex-Ford owned GT350 out of Michigan via a friend's dealership for $47K with less than 2100 miles; unique history and will only get more unusual
Congrats with the car. Enjoy.
@@fourwheeltrader bought it for my daughter. It'll be headed to Europe & back a few years later after her commitment in the AF is done. Thanks, it's a oddball in some ways but in time the history and options of it will make it interesting
How do you know it was Ford owned? I bought mine and it said it was a fleet car from Michigan. I assume theres a high chance it was a Ford car too
Please do the c63 amg w204 and the lambo gallardo
Can you analyze the historical wisdom of buying a NEW first year corvette model? How long can you own a c8 base model without losing a ton of money
can you complete a video on the ats-v?
Good suggestion
Hello great details video as always...
I was wondering what sport car could i use as a daily, enjoy and almost not loose any money or even keeping or increasing value.
Like a Ford focus rs, Bmw 140i, Porsche... jaguar F type etc... ?
What brand and car would be a smart choice, if you have few to recommend I would love it.
Thank you 😊
That's an interesting question and also a good idea for an video. In general, everything you will put a lot of miles on as a daily will depreciate. The least depreciation you will find with the older cars. BMW 130i/135i (E87/88) and older Focus Rs's (II) are holding quite well.
Asked "what sport car could i use as a daily, enjoy and almost not loose any money or even keeping or increasing value?" There is no such thing. Who's going to pay you for a car you've driven every day the same price that you paid for it? Even you wouldn't do that would you? That's one obvious test of whether this is a reasonable expectation or not. Would you pay MSRP for a car with 12K 24K or 48K miles and wear & tear on it by someone else (i.e. daily driver)? I would hope not.
Bill Groves take a 911 from the 90" you probably sell it for more expensive than you bought it for.
After you can have a car as a daily and drive quite little over the year.
And a car which is in use age better than a car in a garage.
@@GK-hl8gr I never said keeping a car in a garage was a good way to assure no depreciation but putting daily driver wear on it isn't better from a depreciation standpoint. The 911 example better include rebuilds & restorations over those 30 years of presumed daily driving. The sticker was only the beginning of the cost to maintain its value and those costs rise with inflation. Investment cars are not daily drivers and sports cars bought for the fun of driving them often/daily should be bought for that more realistic expectation.
Fantastic video and analysis. I am currently negotiating on a 2018 with 2,500 miles at a Ford dealer. The asking price is $48,500 but I am trying to get down to $44,000 as it is winter and I will not be able to drive it for months. Thoughts on what a fair price would be?
44k is definitely at the low end of the market.
Ever hear of Kelly Blue Book? It shows ranges....what the basis for those numbers is I'm not sure. I agree with 4WT - 44K seems low. If the car is optioned well and in perfet shape other than those low miles the $48.5K seems fair. Winter sucks - my new 2019 was put away at 325 miles for winter storage spring cant come soon enough.
@@billgroves5672 Thanks. Bill. Who has not heard of KBB? I assume you are being sarcastic. I landed the car for $44,500 so I think I did ok.
@@mfinn349 You did great landing it at that $. Congratulations!
Hi four-wheel trader, I am looking for you to do a depreciation of the Ford Focus RS. What other hot hatches can you compare it to? STI (when they were hot hatches) , or ...Honda civic type R? I am amazed that the RS focus are still commanding a high resale value... why?
Thanks for the suggestions
We would love to see a depreciation analysis of the Honda Civic Type R!
I agree, but keep in mind those high-performance cars need a proper break-in engine. Most of the owners don't know or just don't care about it and then issues come out. And nobody beyond the owner knows the history of the car (issues, tuning, bad driving habits). Said so, I would look for a good deal in a lease for a brand new car, if you like it after 36 months, keep it, if not just change it.
I just paid 61,500 msrp 65,700 for a 2020 GT350 does that mean im ahead of the curve lol? There are a bunch of 2020 gt350s being advertised for 10k+ markup
Sounds like you got a reasonable price ;)
+10K markeup? Lets see if/when they actually sell for that amount. I think these high numbers are bullshit. My loaded ordered and delivered 4 months ago 2019 was only $66.9K MSRP and I paid $2K under that. His data shows 70K, 80K up to 100K+ prices - its not what these cars sell for. No way. Stats are a garbage in garbage out world - all the processing & talk in the world can't fix meaningless data input. Listed prices are not real - spend time on the mustang6G forum where this information is shared openly - the low prices for new are either seasonal /old stock turnover pricing in winter or are not real. The high prices - no one's buying non R GT350's for $70K let alone over $100K...and if its an export then that's a separate brokerage & shipping expense not what the car would cost anyone in the mainland U.S. Also don't miss base models vs highly optioned can make a fairly significant difference that was not accounted for in this study's use of the advertised selling price.
wow buddy - you answered my request - thanks - a lot - then realizing that Ford dealers are reprehensible with their markups so I walked far away.......I think people think these cars are better than they really are - just saying...........
Great video!! what market is this taken from? country state city?
Thanks. This is the full US market.
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis Awesome!! Keep on doing this. Vids are great
Maybe do a Challenger Hellcat next?
Thanks for the suggestion
You should use the standard deviations instead of the averages. It will give you and everyone else a more accurate representation of the actual depression per year.
The shaded areas in the graph are the confidence intervals. Those give a better impression. Not everyone knows what a standard deviation is so I'm not using them that often in the videos.
I just bought my 2019 GT 350 R cobra at MSRP three months ago
Congrats! How do you like it so far?
Fuck that.... that’s almost as much as a 500
Weak Link rather have an r over the 500 but that’s just me
Does that include those ridiculous ADMs? As more people track and crash GT350’s hopefully clean examples will appreciate a little.
Please do the gt350r
Please do BMW M2 Competition. Thanks!
I didn't do a M2 comp yet, but you can find the analysis for the normal car over here: ua-cam.com/video/-lnUKSLVNhU/v-deo.html
Hi, I will like to see Mustang Mach 1
dang why am i seeing this 5 months after getting my 2020 5.0 :(
*$40k Mustang to $115k Mustang thats crazy money to pretty much same car,little more power and some carbon fiber pieces*
more depreciation is coming...NEW top dog car is out...the GT500 AND GT350 engine is crazy expensive to replace and when warranty is expires, values will drop even more...watch
no its not, you also got to realize how good these cars are to
They will of course continue to depreciate, but the depreciation rate won't increase.
Can you do a Roush stage 3 mustang?
Exotic suggestion! Are you owning one?
yea iI have a 2017
On it's face this looks like a good statistical representation however, you have to know the car! The 2016's need to be removed from this comparison. Ford didn't make the track pack with the magnaride suspension standard until 2017 which is a 6k+option in 16. The used market for 'like' equipped optioned cars would be much flatter. The unknowns for the future values are how the gt500s will affect the gt350s value as well as the increase in electric cars. I think with the uniqueness of the 5.2L flat plane crank and increase in electric 'sports' cars the gt350s will ultimately hold their value quite well.
Yah good yes bacon pizza yah 👍
Can you do a gt500
GT350R Video on this?
Please feature generation 2 Dodge Viper GTS 👍🏻
Interesting suggestion. Are you in the process of purchasing one?
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis I bought a low mileage one back in 2015 . I traded a 2008 Shelby GT500 for it
The 2016 is a different car. It doesn’t have rear diff and transmission coolers. Why they were burning up. Anyone buying these cars knows that and stays away from them. 2017 to 2020 is a better scale to do. That’s why the 15s and 16s are way cheaper.
Audi s7 2016-2018
I’m sorry I’ve got to drive it! 🤪🐍
Value will increase once they stop making the gt350 next year
You don't get track attack if you buy used. How many cars go up in value right after you buy it? Anyone buying one thinking they'll make money are morons. It's an awesome car and being a 6 speed most people can't drive it anyway.
GT350 could use 1 quart of oil every 500 miles, that’s only 14-15 quarts between oil charges... 🤔
yeah and since they are basically RACE cars for the street..Im sure no preowned examples will be abused..Russian roullette is less risky.
GT350 is for sure a cool car... But,
the Voodoo engine doesn't seem
to take well to being flogged.
In particular, the rod bearings are simply undersized for what they are being asked to do.
If you like DIY repair and have the means, it could interesting.
Though, I don't think most owners would like to get their hands in that deep.
Never heard of the rod bearings having issues. Do they sell aftermarket improved rod bearings?
You can beat them, you just have to know when.
Lots of guys guy them, cold start them and rev they to high heaven without letting them warm up, which it doesn't like.
They also tend to burn a bit of oil, but it's normal.
I bought new because buying these Voodoo engines used is a dangerous proposition. VERY FEW people can keep from hammering these cars until proper break-in after several oil changes. People rev and overrun these engines and ruin ring seal and they heavily consume oil. If you plan to keep it, buy it new.
For the sky high 2019 & 2020 new prices I'm guessing those were not prices as sold...they are in no way representative of the market. How do I know? 10 months obsessing over it from 12/2018 to my delivery End of August and after. I ordered a loaded 2019 GT350 - every option....Window (MSRP) was $66945. So that loaded with every option MSRP price is less than your average...and I paid $2K less than that. ADM's did not exist for 2019's or were very rare. Its a tight community where we share information including ADM dealers (that are avoided) and reasonable ones. The point is no one was or is paying $70K to 100K for a 2019 or 2020 non R GT350 unless it was to an offshore export which is a red herring....and because of those high prices not being the real market price it would skew your results to exaggerate averages depreciation.
You are absolutely right, all the prices are advertised prices. Consequently, the average depreciation number is pushed up quite a bit by the drop in the first year. Looking year by year (with exception of the first year) probably gives the best estimate. I would love to use the actual selling prices but as far I'm aware they are not freely available.
@@fourwheeltrader re: "You are absolutely right, all the prices are advertised prices" Then unfortunately they are unqualified with respect to value & depreciation. Low prices advertised are often not honored (with apologies like it's a mistake) and few buyers are lawyers who will pursue bait & switch prosecution of these scammers and the other prices at the high end are not sales ever made at that amount....so value is what one is willing to pay for something not what some silly marketing schlub at a dealer thinks will work but doesn't. I think that a disclaimer would have been a fair addition to the conclusion part of this review because as you can see from responses here some people are not that critical of qualifying the data as they should be.
With high volume models such as the GT350 I don't see it as a major problem for two reasons: (i) the market is large enough to average out the extremes when it comes to the depreciation (ii) a general difference between the advertised and selling price applies to the whole market. Consequently, it means a shift of the depreciation curve along a price axis which won't effect the depreciation numbers. The true selling prices of course give more correct numbers, but unfortunately i don't have those. Therefore, i think that the advertised prices are a decent proxy. Nevertheless, it is my aim to present the data objectively and to avoid any misguidance. It is then also a good idea to mention that it concerns advertised prices.
@@fourwheeltrader All I can say is that the average price in this study was a lot higher than the tested loaded market price throughout last year for new MY 19's which begs the question of how useful the information on initial depreciation is. Likewise not factoring that newer models have desirable design adjustments (tires, suspension Gen 2 Voodoo as examples) that makes comparisons of earlier years a poorer basis for deciding how much later models will depreciate initially. Those are points aside from these being smiles per gallon investments not financial ones.
GT350R
No more new gt350s. Would be interesting to see how the market is doing now that they are all used.
The graphs kind of look like your money walking away.
*Which car would you like to see in the next analysis?*
Okay, I think good candidates would be 2014 - on Land Rover Range Rover and Range Rover Sport, Porsche Cayenne and Panamera... All depreciate very heavily but incredible buys if one times purchasing right - that's where your analysis would be imperative! :)
I would love to see the analysis for a C5 but also one for a normal car like a civic or accord over 20 years then compare that to a f150 over the same period of time.
@Max Ivankov, nice suggestions. I should indeed cover some 'luxury' cars. Like you say, if bought at the right time, the depreciation can be extremely small.
Original suggestions. I didn't cover the C5 yet. You can however find the one for the C7 and C6 over here: ua-cam.com/video/9wE5f2UWLgQ/v-deo.html
Great episode again ! Aston Martin DB9 would be very interesting. Thanks !!
The only way to buy a gt350 is STOCK and with a WARRANTY
you have a Dutch accent.....Kan U look Nederlands praten?
Yes i speak Dutch :)
Why Not include the R? I only care for the R
much rarer
@@beetleything1864 actually He had covered the 981 GT4, GT's Porsches. Those are rare also. There are plenty R's at dealers and they still bean made. Many classifieds miss label the R''s for base models, making them look like there are very few. There are plenty R's for sale on the used market a
JoTokutora i live in the super car capital of North America- vancouver BC. I have yet to see 1 anywhere. Seen plenty GT350s but no R’s yet......
@@beetleything1864 Actually the capital is South California. Plenty here
Definitely am interested in the R analysis too. Great job on the base car though.
Aaaaaaand they stopped producing these. Worthless video now lol.