GT350 Gen 1 VS Gen 2 Motor & How to check which one you have!
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- In today's video, I discuss how to tell the difference between the Gen 1 Voodoo motor, and the Gen 2 Gt350 Voodoo Motor. In addition to this, I also talk about how to tell/check if you have a Gen 1 or Gen 2 Motor in under 30 seconds! I also show how to tell when the engine was made!
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Thanks for the info. I have a 2019 with two signatures so was confused whether or not I had the GT350R motor. After checking the sticker I confirmed I had a Gen 2 GT350R motor build on January 8th, 2019. Awesome car!
Awesome! I am glad this helped.
Bill - I'm considering buying a pre owned GT350 but have concerns about the engine reliability. How many miles do you have on your GT350? Any issues? Thank you
R or not, same motor.
Spot on with your explanation on the oil consumption problem 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks brotha
Very informative. You got straight to the point. Thanks!
Thank you for the information, well done.
No problem. Thanks
Dope vid! Very informative to know your build date especially when they came out with that Secondary Timing Chain Tensioner TSB.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Very Helpful
Currently In the Market For 2019-2020
Nice car and thanks much for the info, always good to know these little tidbits.
No problem 👍Thanks for watching!
Information I was looking for. Thanks 🍻
No problem bro
You did a really good job on this presentation.
Thank you
Dude thank you. In the market for a GT350 In 2022. Super helpful!
No problem man. I’m happy it helped. 💪🏽
Thanks man very helpful. I was wondering how to go about finding that sticker. I love it when people are informative on these how to videos. From one Indian to another, well done!
Thanks man. I appreciate the support
Thanks as well, from a white guy this time haha
Great video and info, thank you.
Thanks! Your welcome
Dang, very informative!
Awesome information since I am purchasing one that had the engine replaced already by Ford. It’s a 2017 and it made me nervous but the car only had 21,000 miles! I am confident in purchasing since they also have a manufacturer buy back guarantee! Ford is awesome!
Thanks you. This car's is on my list so knowing this helps.
Glad it helps! Thanks for watching
Good info, thanks for share
Well done!
Cool Video Bro, 350s Looking Great!
Thanks man
Great video 👍
Thank you
I love my 350. Bought it new. I have a gen2 motor now. 3qts in 500miles. It happened at 8k miles before that no issue. Now shes twin turbo. Hella happy. Love this car. Keep it up man.
That’s awesome man! Twin turbo 350’s are so cool. That build sounds like goals dude, congrats!
Very helpful
Nice Vid. Im gonna go check mine right now.
Thanks!
This car is so sick bro 🔥🔥
Thanks bro, I appreciate it.
Love the color
Thank you!
Glad I found this video. Picked my 16’ up in September with 6500 miles and just had the major oil consumption issue. Luckily it was certified and had extended warranty so I’m getting a new engine.
That’s awesome man. Enjoy that Gen 2!
I just picked up a 2016 certified, 1 year bumper to bumper….. can I have this checked now so I don’t miss it after my warranty is up? What do I need to do?
@@abrahambiel3715 take the car to the dealer and ask for an oil consumption test.
A 2016? How long are they honoring the engine warranty replacement? Obviously no mods including tuner changes to ECU are allowed. I was thinking to pick up a 2017 gt350!
great video nanu my gen 1 blew due to oil pump seizing a during cold start so the top half of the block was completely dry when the pistons destroyed it from the inside
Good information
Thanks
Bought my 2017 gt350 in 2019 as a lemon, first owner blew the engine, I knew it had the upgraded cartridge oil filter, but nice to know Ford rebuy put a full gen2 in.
same thing with mine, bought as a lemon and couldn't figure out why as it's flawless. It's a 2018 and has the gen 2 swap with a date code of 8/16/2019
Interesting and informative vid. I have a 2016 GT 350. I purchased the car used with a little more than two thousand miles on it. I now have close to 23K miles and my oil consumption is moderate. I use this vehicle as a daily driver. I run Mobile 5-50W. I check my oil level regularly based on comments similar to what you state in your video. However, I must be lucky because I have never added a quart of new oil every 500 miles since owning the car. Maybe every few thousand at best. This car has not been tracked so maybe that makes a big difference. My chassis was number 13 off the line so I had to get an early version of the Gen 1 Voodoo motor. Thanks again for your excellent feedback.
Thanks for watching. It's nice that you don't consume much. I have many friends who also don't consume too much oil like you.
@@NanuGarage I like the color package of your ride. This is just an awesome, fun car. One of the best balanced hot rods I have had the pleasure to both own and drive. Enjoy yours to the max and keep the good vids coming.
@@stephengray3401 will do. Thanks
I also have a 2016 Track Pack. Never had any oil consumption issues. I really don’t over-rev the car either. Usually shift at 4,500 rpm. Maybe I’m lucky also…
Yes it’s a production race engine and people don’t know how to take care of it that’s why it got a bad wrap
Thank you
No problem
2020 Gen 2. Don’t track it, but frequently take it to 8000 rpm. No oil consumption. I can go 5000 miles between oil changes and no change on the dip stick. Get about 3/4” of oil in the passenger side catch can every 500 miles.
That's awesome!
Good to know brother, great video, mine is 2018, according to label my engine was built April 12th 2018, I got a Gen 1, currently at 10,716 miles no oil consumption at all, mostly hard driven!
Dude that's awesome! I misread my engine date and it was actually 269 instead of 209. Mine was made on September 26th of 2017. Mine is driven hard too but unfortunately, mine consumes about a quart and a half per 500 miles (driving hard). I'm not worried about it right now, I just hope it doesn't get worse. I'm at 9600 miles so we are pretty close.
@@NanuGarage wow I’d say that’s kind of a lot, one quart and a half every 500? As a safety precaution I’d take it to the dealer have them do an oil consumption test, they should do it under warranty. Had a friend who had it done on his 2017 and it turned out ok. For what I’ve seen it is a hit or miss type of deal with these engines, personally I don’t know anyone with any oil consumptions, have a friend who has a 2017 pro charged 2017 GT350 Gen 1 at a 900hp no issues with his engine yet, (stock engine) actually he has a UA-cam channel it’s called prochargedbeast if I recall right.
ua-cam.com/video/nZ46QxXAtcA/v-deo.html
@@Orangefurygt350 ok cool I have seen his youtube channel before. I'll take a look at the oil consumption more closely. I feel part of it because I put a super hard 500 miles, but I will see soon how much oil is left after 500 miles of moderate driving. Hopefully nothing wrong, but if something is then I look forward to that gen 2 lol.
Ditto. Mine is in the same time period and no substantial oil consumption. I don't drive the piss out of it (occasional track days, some spirited driving etc).
Nice! So my 2017 had it's motor replaced before I bought it and according to the label it's a gen 2!!
Sick!
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Hey man, great video and breakdown. I Have a 2017 gt350 that let go in 2019 around 8 thousand miles. My dealership replaced the motor under warranty and the new motor doesn’t consume any oil. I popped the cover off and it reads KA 555 GT350R. So I guess I got the gen 2. Love the car, might keep it forever.
Awesome that your oil consumption issue is gone. Glad to know that my video helped. Same here, I love the car so much I want to keep it forever.
I have exactly the same thing. Mine blew up on June 2021 with 17k miles. Let's put some boost on it!
Question. I just bought a 2016 with 12k miles , 1 year bumper to bumper. What do I need to do now to make sure I don’t fall victim to this before my warranty is up? Ford certified as well.??
A A - I'm considering buying a pre owned GT350 but have concerns about the engine reliability. How many miles do you have on your 2nd motor GT350? Any issues? Thank you
I got a 2016 avalanche grey 350 and another big problem with the gen1s was, the oil filter would come loose on its own. It would back its self our of the threads and yes this happen to me. You will just have to order the kit Ford sells for a new oil filter mount. And then you will be able to use the gen2 oil filters
I forgot to mention this too. Thanks for the information. I wasn’t aware that you could get a conversion kit for the new design. It sucks that your oil filter spun off. I’m glad you have the new design now.
Or just torque it to spec like Ford suggests. 17 here never an issue.
Thanks for this video! I recently bought a 2017 GT350 with 8K miles on it. It's odd as a 2017, the numbers on my block are:
Rep 5.2L GT350R
KA 555 AA
EF0AA 21032220020
I guess that means I have a Gen2 engine right? Do you happen to know if the Gen2 has a different oil filter from Gen1? I'm gonna go check (Now that you showed us it's that easy) but curious if you know. Great video man!
Mine has a FA as well its FA 557
Nice job. Will check my type. Mine after 42k miles does not burn oil to speak of (knock on wood).
Thats awesome! Thanks for watching🤙🏾
What if is FA 557 AA
Nevermind, found it. Thank you for the video though, big help.
And the FA was the 2015 production for the 2016 shelby gt350.
Thanks
Good info. How about the oil filter differences? Sometime during the 2017 model year they went to a paper cartridge filter instead of a standard type oil filter. Also for '17 and earlier models with oil coolers, there was a recall for the oil cooler lines. Do you see much oil in the left side catch can? I get oil only in my right side can, but not much probably because of the low miles. One more thing, the gears in the stock oil pump are supposedly prone to cracking/failure. FORD PERFORMANCE has billet gears, but it isn't an easy job.
Yeah they made other changes but this was earlier prior to the Gen 2. I can make another vid explaining it.
On the hunt for a 2017,2018 gt350 with a gen 2 voodoo motor already in it , let’s see how this goes! If no luck dark horse here I come haha
Good luck bro!
Excellent vid. I have a 2017 which I track regularly. If the oil level is even slightly low, check engine light will come on. Add oil immediately or risk your motor! Also, if you track, don't be sloppy with downshifts, heel/toe, etc. Diff and tranny can overheat easily and car will go into 'limp mode'. Not good. Thanks, Nanu!
Thanks for watching 💪🏽
Very informative thank you… be careful tho … my 2017 ran great pulls hard no issue I only noticed very faint black smoke clouds at high rpms and I only have 10,900 miles on it currently and I was consuming 2-3 quarts every 1000 miles car has never been tracked just street driven all original tires from 2017 and oil changed by Ford every 1,500 miles ..so meaning car hasn’t been beat on and Ford bore scoped my block by pulling the plugs and found cylinder wall scratching and 4 out of 8 cylinders failed compression due to ring failure and scratching of the cylinder walls …it’s currently getting a gen 2 motor … again car ran completely fine ….
After I bought it off the showroom floor and put 2000 miles on it roughly in the year of 2018 I finally heard the famous tick sound aka piston slap at the first 10 mins of warm up and Ford said that sound was normal at the time but obviously it was not … gen one motor is over priced junk … your car may sound and perform normal but there is a issue … again I was 2-3 quarts a 1000 miles daily driving … anything over a half of quart in 500 miles daily driving take it in and have them bore scope your cylinders
Thanks for watching. Glad you are getting taken care of with the Gen 2.
I have a Gen 2 with two signatures.
Where the link I’m trying to check the chart you said was in the description?
Still have that GT350? How is the oil consumption and motor in general?
Back in the day your hi perf engines will use 1 - 1.5 qt per 800-1,000 miles. If you go thru 2-3qts in 300-500-600 miles you have an oil leak.
A bad Oil filters is an issue , gasket leaks issues , oil seals issues ,etc etc.
Good info. Thanks
thanks for the info . lol please change your air filter 😎
Haha, I ordered a new one. California fires a while back really messed it up.
What about the 2016 GT350R, that should have no oil consumption?
So the oil in burning in the combustion chamber with the gas. So it clearance between the piston and the cylinder wall gap when the engine expands? Whoa. I still the 350 though. Still want one.
How can I tell if I have a supercharger on it? I bought it used but I don’t know if it’s gen 1 or 2. It’s a 2017. Idk if the previous owner got the gen 2 installed
So is a 2018 gonna be a gen 1? Or you can’t really tell by the year of the car? Looking at a 2018 gt350 in lead gray such a beautiful car but now I heard of this gen 1 motor problem so idk.
Any other issues with the gt350 other than the oil consumption?
How come on my 2016 gt350 is says FA 557 AA there's no HA or KA
is it possible for a 2017 to have a gen 2 ?
Piston rings close their gap as they heat up not open. If they close to much they start forcing their way out of the piston.
A lot of miss information here but sweet Stang.
The best Muscle car ever produced the gt350s, don't understand why they ended it. Nothing can replace it.
Agree!
To make room for gt500.
Anybody knows if you need gen2 ECU to swap gen2 engine in to gen1 gt350?
Great video.
I thought all the 2019 and 2020 models featured the gen 2 engines.
So what year have gen 2 ?
When the replace your motor under warranty, does the new motor have the signatures of the builders? I heard somewhere it does not. (BTW - I'm currently working with my dealer on a replacement, 1qt per 300mi)
I’m pretty sure the new motor does have signatures still. You should get a new motor. Good luck 👍🏽
For some reason instead of it saying KA at the beginning mine says FA anyone know why this could be? I have a 2016 GT350
Wow just looked at my 17 and it’s KA and says Rep GT350R
I could’ve sworn 2017 and up got the gen 2
Unfortunately not. 2019-2020 has the gen 2 motors. Some 2017's and all 18-20's however have the new oil filter design. They changed it from the metal canister filter to a plastic one that won't vibrate off or be damaged during removal.
I was putting 1 and 1/2 quart every 500 miles and Ford said that was normal!😮 I traded my 2017 Gt 350 with 40,000 miles for a Model Y performance. The only thing I miss is that wonderful v8 sound! I would love to get another one if it has a gen 2 motor 😊Thanks for the information. subscribed 😊
I am thinking of getting a 2017, should this oil consumption happen will Ford cover any issue? Thx
As long as you have powertrain warranty you are fine. If you consume more than 1 quart per 500 miles ford will have you run a oil consumption test and and when they see how much your engine consumes you will be eligible for a Gen 2 motor.
@@NanuGaragethx
I have a gen one motor and I add one qt every 2000 miles and I have 21,000 miles on my car
Awesome!
How I can see if mine is eating too much oil ?
Never check it and see if it blows up...
Should I buy a 350 with 28k miles?
If it has warranty then yes. If it doesn't I would try to get a warranty before purchasing incase anything is wrong with the motor.
What FA mean?
No clue
You mentioned in previous video that somebody had told you that some 2018 engines built later in the production year were equipped with Gen 2 engines. Did your research find any truth to that?
Yes, after many hours of research I haven't been able to find anything regarding 2018's having a gen 2 voodoo motors. Seems it was a mistake and that 2018 do not have gen 2's and it's only the 19-20's.
@@NanuGarage that’s ok we can just run the shit out of our 18s under warranty until they explode and get the Gen 2 replacement. Numbers won’t match, but I don’t give a damn about that. Take care 🤙🏾
@@keonilew8568 haha same here, I don't care about the numbers mismatching. I got a few years left on warranty so I'm gonna drive the car how I want and if I need a new motor I am gonna get it! You take care too brotha
@@NanuGarage My buddy's 2018 has a gen 2 engine and he bought it new and hasn't had anything changed
@@1971gmeek does his label read KA? Wondering cause if so i'd rather shop for an 18 with a gen 2 instead of paying for the mark up on the 19-20
States it takes 30 seconds to identify the motor. Makes a 8 min video explaining without showing it within 30 seconds
My sticker has FA as the first two letters
Hope he cleaned that air filter soon after 😖
Lmao, don’t worry I bought a new one and installed it after.
Mine says FA 557 AA, what’s the FA mean
You ever figure what that means? Mine’s FA too.
@@eharrisr I believe it means it was a 2015 built motor so definitely a gen1 motor
Mine has a FA
Interesting. I haven’t heard of any engine codes containing FA. I’ll look into it
Mine is FA too. Can't find any info on this
Same here FA
That sort of oil consumption almost eliminates this car being a daily driver.
The reason for oil consumption has everything to do with smog laws. Sending oil back into the crankcase via the pcv causes oil in the motor to get very frothy. Frothy oil sticks to low tension rings. Next time around, you have even frothier oil sticking to already stuck rings. This is what causes the the consumption to get worse over time. The fix is a catch can. Stop letting the oil get fed back into the crank case. Ford knows this, and that's why they sell catch cans that fit perfectly on our cars. The reason they don't come installed, SMOG LAWS!
So yes, clean the carbon from your rings, install catch cans, and pay attention to your oil levels. Hopefully you haven't already been tricked into thinking gen.2 is a better thing for your car. Matching numbers are what matters.
I mean the best way to identify is if you have a 2019 or up your have a gen 2 motor with a predator block. lol.
Well this is helpful if you are buying a used 16-18 gt350. Lot's have had engine replacements.
@@NanuGarage I agree but a seller should be disclosing that because to me if that engine doesn’t match the original vin it’s a Shelby that shouldn’t even be looked at. And with that being said almost every engine that was replaced was replaced with a gen2. So yes if you have. A15-18 that would matter a little.
1 qt of oil per 500 miles is not normal. Gen 1 is junk! No car should burn anymore, then a qt per 3000 miles or more. Thanks 😊
Viper motor that what they need ford motors just don’t last
A quart per 500 miles? Man screw that, not normal dont care what you say.
God damn will this gen 1 gen 2 shit ever stop. Even gen 2 has a failure rate. Stop the bs.
The reason and only reason of a gen 2 is because the gt500 predator came along. If the gt500 never came along we wouldn’t see a new block, revised heads etc.
many many many more people have gen 1 with zero issues. There are way more gen 1 motors out there than gen 2. And yes even gen 2 motors have blown up and have oil issues.
I agree that many gen 1's are perfectly fine. The gen 2 still does fail, however, according to research I have done it has a significantly lower failure rate in comparison to the gen 1 motors.
Just stating what the research says bro...
Anyways thanks for tuning into one of my videos. Have a nice day.
So you basically are buing a 2 stroke lol.
Rings in the 2015 to 2017 were looser. In 2018 Ford changed the rings to be tighter and burn less oil. In 2019 and 20 got the gen 2 block but people forget that in 2018 they got the tighter rings which burns less oil. Its not a Gen 1 to Gen 2 thing that fixed it. It was 2018.
The Gen 2 block was only used because of the Gt 500. It was saved on production costs why it was done. Made no sense to have two blocks...it wasnt NOT a reliability issue. To many regurgitated "experts" spewing their knowledge they don't have. Ford doesn't even acknowledge a Gen 1 or Gen 2 difference