Gigguk response to Mushoku Tensei Controversy
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Seeing a terrible character try to be a better person is an interesting story. It’s not problematic.
Can you please tell that to all the Kazuya shitters who keeps on trashing the poor guy.
@@genesisramos4791 That guy seems to take way more time to not do anything at all to change though.
@@xignum didn't the author destroy his entire characterisation and development in one chapter
@@xignum Everyone has their own phase of getting better. He's actually doing something though, when he does something good, it really is good. On the other hand, when he does something questionable, it really is questionable. He actually is the one who's really trying to end things and make everything true though. I don't understand why everyone says that he isn't trying to change when he's actually the one who's trying to make things right. The problem is the people around him don't let him do the things that he is suppose to do.
@@ipman3249 Although what he was thinking at that time is bad, you can't blame the guy. Admit it or not, you have thought about someone taking the person you love one time in your life. Also, his mind is clouded during that time, it isn't his fault.
Honestly saying "If you like Mushoku Tensei, you support pedophile and grooming" is like saying "If you like Grand Theft Auto, you support crime and violence and murder" We have transitioned from blaming games, to blaming cartoons now.
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Anime was always blamed in the same way, as violent, “edgy” and all that crap. Everybody knows Crunchyroll snubbed MT because would be an absolutely PR nightmare that would cost them cash and while I don’t necessarily blame them for avoiding this, is very telling when just a few years ago they had no problem putting Devil Man Crybaby on a ton of categories despite being a show packed with way more brutal stuff.
*sigh* do we really need another Gamergate event to make people to shut their mouth up.
Or even "if you enjoy watching documentaries about nazis then you are a fanatic that wants to do a genocide" lol no. I mean, most of the people who enjoy those are people who really love the history behind it, not because they wish to become a nazi.
It's like saying if you hate Gabbi because you're a fcking normie.
Angry internet user-san: "Jobless Reincarnation promotes sexual assault and abuse on minors!"
Redo of Healer: "Yeah, fuck those guys!"
Berserk: "Those Sick bastards!"
Highschool DxD: "How do they sleep at night?!"
its kinda sad since i like reading berserk and mushoku tensei.
I mean, Berserk portrays that as a reality of the world and doesn't take it lightly. The other 2 are recognized as trashy. What point did you think you were making?
To Love Ru uncensored.
*sips tea*
@@za-ir5ni still accepted tho.
Berserk doesn't make jokes out of serious situations. Redo of healer knows its trash and owns it. If Mushoku Tensei would recognize that it promotes pedophilia as any hentai and wouldn't sell it as "character development" I would be fine with it
People watched games of thrones but does that mean they supported R word and incest? Bruh people weird 😒
That’s a false equivalence.
@@bubblytortilla you’re just nitpicking and biased,. I win, you lose
@@BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV -_-
@@bubblytortilla so, what is the right equaivalance?
People try to justify ot with this anime.
The thing about Mushoku Tensei that I like is that they present these totally awful one note looking characters like Elinalise, Eris, and Rudy and turn their character upside down. I was legitimately surprised at how I liked Elinalise in the novel after reading her backstory and her actions.
That's one of the building blocks of good story telling: Character development. A lot of series (either regular TV shows or anime) miss the mark with this and we are left with one note characters which is very off putting.
Elinalise is such a sweet and loving character. Of all the characters in Mushoku Tensei I'd say that Elinalise is one of the most benevolent and understanding.
@@danklegosi6084 have you read the old dragons tale?
@@suprith5443 yes and i thought the ending of the main story made me want to cry,little did i know Old Dragon's Tale was the final boss of wanting to cry
@@suprith5443 Don't make me cry. 😢
Someone please help me understand, because I genuinely want to love this series. WHY is the mc the way they are in the first place, and why is it a huge element of the story that is constantly present and not particularly demonized? Does he not have intercourse with very young girls while being mentally very old? His pedophilic tendencies are never portrayed or presented to us as something downright vile. It’s either played off as a joke or just outright neutral. I want to understand. HOW do I justify this so that I can enjoy this show without question?
theres no justification, in the light novel he got caught masturbating to his 10yo niece that he took vids of in the bath with a secret camera thats why he got thrown out by his family. author eventually changed this due to negative backlash but the whole show/thing still is full of this, can tell how author is
Have you watched the show? It should explain most of your questions, but if you can't bother watching it before getting some justification I can do a somewhat quick tl:dr.
Basically he was an incel shut-in in his previous life with very shallow and damaging views. Then he gets reincarnated and gets a second life, a second chance at life. And ofcourse with that background he's a total shitstain for most of the show, but that's kinda the point. He was a bad guy in his previous life, he won't magically become a saint just because he got reincarnated and the the show is basically him learning to become a human being while also exploring an interesting world.
So, if you like fantasy and you don't need to self-insert yourself in the main character to enjoy the show then you should atleast give it a try. Of course you may still not like it or be put off enough in the beginning to not want to see the rest and feeling that way is totally okay, you can have different boundraries or preferences when it comes to media than others. But the important thing to understand is that the overwhelming majority of people who enjoy mushoku tensei do so because it has great story telling and worldbuilding, great characters and character development, not to mention stellar production quality. They don't enjoy it because they like how rudeus acted in beginning, cuz that shit is supposed to be off-putting, it's what makes his character development so satisfying. Still he takes a while to get better, not even in season 2 is he up to par.
@@banan6216 I feel like the show never brings much attention to the moral train wreck of his actions in THAT scene with Eris near the end of the first season. It was all emotional with no undertones of the gravity of what he was doing. Idk, I like the show don’t get me wrong.
@@banan6216 blud no matter what you say you can't justify his actions. He was mentally 40 yrs old at the time when had intercourse with two young girls. It's a pedophilic behaviour you can't justify that. It's like saying a pedophile should be forgiven for what he did just because he's nice now. And f**k the storytelling. I can't stand to see this disgusting excuse of a main character. I have watched this anime upto season 2. No matter what you say, MC is the reason who is holding back the show for me. Everything else is fine. Only if this fodder didn't exist.
Imo I think the main character is an accurate depiction of a shut in, socially awkward, traumatized, bullied individual. They often have unhealthy mindsets and are socially crippled individuals. It's like having a mental disability and overcoming it is very very difficult. Watching someone overcome their flaws is the furthest thing from problematic.
What I don't get is why people are not more sympathetic towards him though. Like in real life if there was a guy who was thoroughly bullied the entirety of his school years, he would develop loads of trauma, bad ideas, and a terrible view on life. These are the people who become school shooters and the Joker.
It's funny. when people watch Joker and support the character for basically killing loads of people, while Rudeus is kind of the same except he goes the incel route. Both products of a terrible society.
@@commentreader295 because killing people is less of a crime than molesting for them 🤷♂️. What I can’t understand is why they’re saying that he’s a pedo. I agree that he probably has some fantasy about fcking a loli or something, but in reality, he never touched or liked a girl that is physically younger than him. Sylphy, Roxy and Eris are either as old or older than him. His old life is gonna, that fat ass dude is dead. He’s now a kid but has the memories of his previous life. Or I guess that twittard doesn’t understand the concept of reincarnation of the east/south east asian in general.
@@MaidenlessScrub I would say that being reincarnated with the memories of your experiences from your previous life still intact does lend itself to being a little iffy on whether I'd consider him a child still. Yes, his physical body is that of a child, however, he has the mental maturity of an adult or at least an adolescent (social isolation would tax this, however, he would still have more experiences then the average 5-10 yr old). Usually, the issue with the difference in age is a) older usually (between an adult and child at least) means bigger/stronger, so more able to manipulate the younger person through force and b) the older person has more experiences and mental maturity, meaning they have more ways to manipulate them through their words (there are other issues, but these are the main two usually). Obviously, as Rudy's body is that of a reincarnated child, the physical difference isn't there (especially with Eris), however, the mental maturity is there due to the experiences he has from his first life. I would say this comes through in evidence in how he is seen by his parents and most people he interacts with as being a little odd, not only in his seeming talent for magic, but also in his mannerisms. So, I do think if Rudy were to ever take action on his desires, then I would say he is a pedo to some degree as he has a higher mental maturity then at least Sylphy or Eris (Roxy obviously actually being a lot older then she looks), however, I do agree that calling him a pedo goes a bit far (lolicon would be as far as I would go), thats just the internet for you, they're gonna go with the most extreme label that can seem to fit.
The depiction was so accurate I recall around the time of the last volume of the novel a article was written about how a lot of shut-in in Japan related to the character of rudy and was moved by his journey causing a lot of them to reflect and learned how to be better human beings as well as getting back into society. cant remember the detail well also cant seem to find article but might have reported on a sharp decline in unemployment.
@@commentreader295 because most people don't see inside of a life/mind of people like him and because it's not reality that we're talking about and we respond to it differently
A mature, respectful opinion; a rarity in this world.
true, but people trash on that
@@nightmareerrors9360 Maybe becuase thats not what the show is glorifing. Rudeus does develop and technically he is physically younger. he doesnt groom like a lot of disingenious twitter users claim. at the end of S1 he has fully become a different person. hes literally BEEN A DIFFERENT PERSON FOR over a decade of being someone else, getting a second chance at life
@@bennogb5069 I like to see it as he's turning from his old self into rudy
@@iceman4094 yes. I think so aswell. Why cant people just realize that He has lived as a child for YEARS, like its literally His second Chance at life and all that comes with it.
@@bennogb5069 I think that the story is just too real that a lot of people feel this is worse than seeing genocide. Also him being a child again, I think makes a big difference in how he sees others, mainly those his age.
My problem with Rudeus is that the people around him didn't seem to punish him more for him being fucking creepy. Like all the times he was predatory around Eris, she stuck with him? The most he got was a slap? that shit doesn't fly with me. he basically got off scott free.
Had to scroll way too far to find this. I like Mushoku Tensei but this is what’s actually problematic here, something that far too many people on the other side of the fence aren’t able to recognize when comparing to other media.
@@Frogg231 honestly just glad to hear that someone else shares the same concerns as I do lol. The argument is always 'rudeus isnt supposed to be a good person' but i've never heard people talk about how the people around him treat him despite that..
The more he got some qonsequences, more he grow up, it's also because different moral issue. It's more like qonsequences than a punishment, punishment not always you get attack, punched, and all stuff that maybe cross on your mind. A reality check can also be moment for development, and also some self reflection moment by moment. Anyway love your opinion btw.
Ah yeah one thing, rudy being a creep also his childish personality, that maybe can answer some of your confusing. I already knew that some question like this. If you feel doubt , i already read the novels, not SPOILERS, some people may give a false information here.
Very good take. People tend to overreact. Much appreciate it Mr. Pizza crust hater man.😇😇
And bread bigot, and saucephob and ...
He just hates bread in general
I read it's manga I don't it much but anime is good
@@otaku3758 the manga from what i heard is the worst way to expiriance the story
I mean if you like stories where the MC acts like a paedophile, good for you I guess. You found yourself a series you can enjoy.
Honestly at first he basically views the world as a game and only through the more serious events that take place does it really awaken a more serious side to him that actually begins to view and treat women as people more than sexual objects. I mean this man was a 34 year old virgin with probably the worst view on woman you could probably have, akin to an incel, so seeing this character development is really cool
"treat women as people more than sexual objects"
You sound like someone that doesn't understand life or human nature at all. I'm sorry to your parents and the school that taught you but they failed miserably.
Humans, like all forms of life, are reactionary entities. Our very thoughts are dictated by genetics(general mapping of our potential growth and neural wiring) and our environment (literally everything else from foods, weather, familial interactions, friends, work etc.). We are shaped by this and become who we are. If you were raised in Nazi Germany then the odds are high that you would have become a Nazi. If you were raised in a racist white family that owned slaves then the odds are high that you would have become a racist that viewed said slaves as property. The reason I say the odds are only "high" is because there are always outliers just as there are always mutations. Perhaps something happens that makes you see things differently. Regardless, humans are, at their very core, reactionary entities.
Now, on to the "objectification" issue you have been taught. I'm sorry to say this but the reality is that women are sexual objects, just like men. You will be "objectified" regardless of whether you like it or not. Your dating choices will, as such, be largely determined by this as well. Sex fucking sells and you'd be an absolute tool to believe otherwise. It's a hormonal drive to breed and view the gender you are attracted to sexually. If you don't "objectify" that gender then you wouldn't be into them in the first place and neither you nor I would be here today if not for our parents doing this very thing.
Another great example, just in case you can't get this through your head yet. A straight man isn't going to date another man. At least, not without an external reason. This is because the straight man isn't sexually attracted to the other man. I personally, know the reason I date women and not men. It's because I love pussy. Naturally, I give a bias towards women that I do not give to men. Women, who are attracted to a man, will do the exact same thing. This is a hormonal response and whether you like it or not it is a part of us. Aquaman is worth a billion not because he was some popular hero but because women found him sexually attractive. His looks sold his character and anyone saying otherwise is being disingenuous or a fool.
@@KaoruSugimura ? bro like not only is most of your stuff not consistent with actual psychology. But dude, please look at the comment you replied to, how much you replied, and what you said and self-reflect. Dog you seem unhinged bro relax.
He finds women sexually attractive, that's about the extent of his "view on women", how the fuck does that make him an incel? If finding women hot makes you an incel, I guess being an incel is normal and the vast majority of men are incels. Terrible use of that word, conflating normal male behavior with that ideology.
@@SolaticSyot He is an incel as incel stands for involuntarily celibate, he in his past life died a 34 year old Virgin who barely if ever went outside. So put simply by definition he is an incel. I think you need to reread what I said as I never said because he finds woman attractive that makes him an incel, it is the fact that he is a 34 year old virgin who has a troubled view on women, barely taking into consideration how they might feel about his actions towards them that makes him an incel in I believe most peoples eyes. The point I made is though at the beginning he shows troublesome behavior in line with an incel over time his perversions take up less and less of his thoughts until at the end when he sleeps with a certain lady (leaving out spoilers) he is actually hesitant to go through with it as it was not the deal that was made, the recently reincarnated man that we meet at the start would have jumped at the chance to sleep with her without a second thought. It's the growth of Rudeus as a character that I love
@@KaoruSugimura I have probably reread this more times than I care to admit, yet still I am completely uncertain on what you are saying, it's like you are saying everything and nothing at the same time. I do hope I have some understanding of human nature as I am a university student studying psychology and philosophy! Though I agree we are all objectified at many points in our life, I think the issue is simply seeing someone in a sexual light and disregarding the complicated personalities people have is A. Not normal B. Not ok and kinda sad. The fact is at the begging he objectified women as he thought it was some kind of game and he also just seemed to have a very unhealthy attitude towards women, focusing on just if not mainly the physical and not the emotional side. I'm glad to see I am not alone as @Satyrinae didn't seem to fully understand how your comment makes sense in relation to my initial comment. Either way I wish you the best of luck and perhaps you could take some debating classes on skillshare or something to improve in better bringing your points across
The person that Rudy was in his previous life was emotionally stunted in his mid-teens. His parents acted as enablers and sheltered him from the world. After that twenty years, long isolation and spiral down the japanize decadence scene just twisted his view to the extreme. He just didn't know how to act in front of people and is caught in his own bubble. For me, he should have been both socially awkward and a deviant. My gripe is he easily developed a silver tongue and it's written off as an experience. He doesn't have experience in dealing with such things. It just highlights the contrast between those two things, one that he overcame and the other which became his character flaw, which slowly went away.
For me, this is good dive into the exploration of trauma and regrets. Also, once he sees that he had overstepped he doesn't do it again. I mean if he truly was a deplorable person he could have completely ditched everybody in Turning point 1. He could have spent money in a brothel or bought a slave and groomed it to live out his harem fantasies. He is in essence a good guy who was twisted by the series of f*** ups in his past life and somewhat, this can be viewed as his first true life.
I COMPLETELY AGREE SIR. *THANK YOU*
your opinion is understandable but I cannot forgive any attempted actions or actions like that even if you have bad events. People have grown up in worse situations in real life and chose not to repeat the actions of bad people or do bad actions, instead they chose to be a better person. Its human nature not to be attracted to children so in my opinion its irredeemable. Its also weird they chose to make smt like that a plot point it was unneeded
I agree 100% with his opinion on this. One thing, I would like to add, is, that people complain about Rudy being perverted, but most of the scenes, this applies to, are just typical comic relief scenes, which are exactly the same as in virtually every other anime out there (at least nowadays). Yet, people don't complain about all the other shows doing literally the same things.
Its about production value bro. They just hate watching a rudy groping scene have more animation budget than the whole season of their favorite shonen XD
But they are totally okay with Kazuma stealing someone's panty. Why do people have double standards?
But they have a whole ED arc which is a first in any anime I have seen coming up
@@MyManGreen ed arc?
@@alevanderBatman Erectile Disfunction - Volume 7 i think
So many detractors (and some poorly thought out defenders of Rudy) don't understand that the audience is expected to be uncomfortable with Rudy planning to groom Sylphy. Its supposed to be jarring when Rudy molests sleeping Eris. We are supposed to be tense and saying "NO no no STHAP!" when on Rudy's 10th birthday night, he tries to do the thing with Eris. Rudy was written to start as the worst of Japanese society. Giving him so much to overcome gives meaning to this second chance at life, and sets up an incredibly positive redemption story. When the meta story is examined, its clear that the author does not intend to promote or glorify Rudy's disfunctions and infractions. The author lets us see that Rudy would try to groom Sylphy, then separates them for the rest of their childhood. The story lets us see that Rudy would try to take advantage of Eris, would not stop at any lines. Then has this girl that Rudy is around be the the type that would never let him get away with any line crossing, and never let herself be a victim. Its cleverly written to show the audience the depth of his depravity, without actually letting the real depravity happen. Sylphy does not get groomed, Eris kicks Rudy's ass every time he crosses a line. In the end of the season, its Eris that takes the traditionally male role of pressuring her girlfriend (whom she wants to protect) into giving up the V card. And it is Rudy that is damaged by the event's aftermath.
Very true, lessons can be learned from this anime and even the worst characters can have redemption.
It’s supposed to be uncomfortable? Did the author tell you that himself?
@@vacantile Huh? He already answered questions on why He wrote Rudy this way. Rudy is literally the textbook definition of a piece of shit NEET, obviously set up for a redemption story.
@@vacantile My guy, if everyone must be spoon-fed information from the author or artist themselves, what the fuck is the point of interpretation then?
@@fuckingendme8448 You can interpret it however you want. I’m questioning the author’s intent.
Him being this horrible human in the beginng of the story just helps the middel and the end of Mushoku Tensei, without seeing his growth the rest of story wouldn't have been as satisfying.
(Webnovel reader)
Yeah, without knowing what a reprehensible human being he was at the start, you can't really appreciate how much of an improvement he undergoes once he settles and starts a family.
dude the novel is so good just wish it updated more .
r u a horrible human being if u save someone from dying that cost your life instead?
I've been reading the Web novel, and the Light novel just for fun, it is an amazing story, without the growth ye it would never be as great
@@edmarfranzmarfil3307 smh ppl
Judging people who likes MT are Philadelphia is just like judging people who likes Death Note are psychopath mass murderer.
Damn didn't know MT enjoyers are Philadelphians smh
@@psyche9805 lmao
Bro stfu, death note doesn't glorify mass murder, mushoku normalizes Philadelphia
The problem i see that alot of people try to justify him. This is actually pretty interesting because now i can see alot of starting to get the :loli cons/alot of anime watchers are pidos. Mind set because alot of people diffende him. Wich you shouldn't do he is a complete trash in the start
@@dorkknight7225 mushoku isn't glorifying pedophilia, how are people missing this? rudeus is literally not treated as a good guy. the entire point of certain scenes is to make it abundantly clear he is 100% in the wrong. the dude doesn't go after children once he matures emotionally, he specifically pursues relationships with people who are also mature
Wow, what a complete and absolute normal take. I still can't believe the current state of social media is so fucking disgusting that this is even considered a mildly controversial take.
I’d love to see your take then.
Mushoku tensei is a boring mid anime, and the fanbase is full of incels.
I support Gigguk's points fully. You just need a good separation between real life and fiction. If you don't, then you're gonna have a lot of trouble enjoying animes that bring up real life issues.
They put a lot of debate on Mushoku Tensei regarding people liking Mushoku Tensei likes grooming and pedophilia, but do they ever debate on people liking other popular series such as Attack On Titan (AOT) having MC doing hideous things as well. So if same logic applies, then should we say people who like AOT supports genocides and warcrimes. Some people even went deeper and make a dark joke or meme about it (eg. Eren did nothing wrong), and people didn't even bat an eye, because it is humourous and 'acceptable' by general. I can't imagine what public's opinion going to be if someone make a dark joke based on things that happened on Mushoku Tensei.
I guess uncomfortable things in Mushoku Tensei hit too close to home for some people in real life.
i do agree with Gigguks openion but i abseloutly do not agree with the comparison to AOT and Eren.
you're not supposed to like Eren. the horrible things he does is abseloutly supposed to make you see him as a villain. and whille the bad traits of Rudy aren't supposed to be something we like about him we're not supposed to consider him a villain for them either.
@@theguyyouhate Fair point there.
@@theguyyouhate yet literally most of the community gets put off for what happened with eren's character towards in the ending. Because a lot of people would rather Eren goes through with his plan to literally extinct humanity. That doesn't mean that a lot of people condone genocide, because all it means is the show missed the opportunity to make a truly unique ending because it was shackled by the real life morality, the same thing that people try to shackle mushoku tensei with. And the ending got shitted on because of that, almost ruining the entire show for a lot of people.
@@Wakkiau personally my issue with the ending to AOT is Armin suddenly being ok with Eren because it was all “part of the plan” and acting he’s not evil for what he did regardless of his motivations.
@@Wakkiau a lot of people are not good people and sympathise with the villain. some people also legit think Thanos did nothing wrong.
AoTs ending is a disapointing mess but certainly not because Eren lost.
Idk how people still get surprised about rudys behavior we literally saw him beat his meat and not attending his parents funeral before he got reincarnated
The web novel’s first sentence is literally him recalling that he was jacking it to the most disgusting loli hentai imaginable.
He is the worst and embodiment of everything wrong in a person possible.
So, it makes sense for this story to be about him becoming the best a person could become.
@@frankwest5388 if I recall correctly, that was his neice on the monitor when he was kicked out right? I remember someone telling me that, but haven't read it myself.
@@silverhusky7993 For the WN yes but the canon changed to regular loli stuff in the LN.
@@raykings5244 Yes probably because of 2014 cp ban in japan but so cannot just retcon something so horrible especially when it is literally the catalyst of the whole show. Retconning because the author was scared does not seem very genuine.
@@Mikketamakulo Eh. Wns get changed all the time when transformed into lns.
Really feel like a lot of theses "character gets reborn as child" trope shows would literally avoid all the creepy issues if they did "child born with knowledge of another world but is still just like a child" also feel like it would just be kind of cool and interesting to read a character with the knowledge of an adult but still the maturity and stuff of a child
Mushoku actually did this to an extend, by directly explaining that some things that he consciously knew should affect him (such as arouse) didn't have any effect at all, because he had been reborn and essentially was now just a baby with the mind of a baby, the emotions and responses of a baby, but also on top of that the memories of a past life thrown in.
The more he grows, the better he connects his past memories with his current state of mind, so he matures faster than normal. But apparently too few people pay attention to these details. For example details such as how he still cries like a baby for no apparent reason (due to sensory overload amongst other natural causes). He very much does undergo a sort of reset of both body and mind.
The novel explains so so so much more of this, its great
a part of maturing is experience in the real world, one of the reasons the age of consent is where it is
Here's the thing, Rudy does some really messed up things, and often makes one uncomfortable. However, his misdeeds typically don't go unpunished. There are negative repercussions for his his actions. The maid is creeped out by him as a baby. When he went too far with Eris, she puts him in his place, he learns and apologizes. His own sister didn't want anything to do with her brother because he is a pervert. The show does NOT act like Rudy's behavior is in anyway good.
I get that this personality trait can put somebody off. It's almost designed to do that. But the point is, that it is bad behavior. The show depicts Rudy slowly understanding that women are people and he needs to consider their feelings. The point of the show is to watch a deeply flawed person get a second chance and actually deal with their faults instead of hiding from the world like he did in his first life. I'd much rather watch a flawed person become a good one than another Kirito clone.
Bruh this times a thousand. Everything Rudy does have repercussions that show up sooner or later,be they positive or negative.
I think you’re reaching a bit here. If we are talking about the same scene. Eris definitely didn’t “put him in his place”
I think MT handled the perverted scenes very badly. If they just went a little harder on making those scenes a bit less comedic then there would be no problem.
@@David-du4mj Eris put him in his place so much that he continually tries to watch her bathe naked even after that . Yep she sure scared him. I love how everyone's defense if "Well he didnt actually do those bad things" yeah no shit not because he realized it was wrong but because someone else intervened for him.
@@David-du4mj bro it's set in a medical world what do u want?
Happy Nightmares
Medical?
I’m just saying that the show would be much less controversial if the perverted scenes were slightly less comedically portrayed.
If Eris had just pushed him away and been mad for a short amount of time then that would’ve been much better.
7:04, Ironmouse did actually say this I think. Linking Erens characters actions and saying how everyone should hate it. She even thinks everyone hates him now, which is mind blowing if you look online for a second.
I just listen for 50ish second of the most cringest shittiest singing based off a hot take a 5 year old all in the name of seeing what ironmouse says herself. I both curse you for those 50 seconds I can’t get back and bless you for reminding me why I don’t watch vtubers.
Ppl like eren bcz he has the sigma male personality and badass af, not bcz he's doing a genocide lmfao
let's be real overpopulation is an issue
@@dorkknight7225 you are half correct but him being genocidal is potrayed masterfully as a character
@@dorkknight7225 but the same logic applies to rudy, we like his character DEVELOPMENT. Not his character (at the start) itself.
I feel like 80% of the anime community should understand this. Its sad they don't. Are people going to re-actively label you as supporting mass genocide because you like "Attack On Titan" "Death Note" and/or "Code Geass". Are these the same kinds of people that think anyone who has played Call of Duty is gonna commit a school shooting. 99.999% of people are capable of understanding the difference between fiction and non-fictions. Discussions around these topics right now are so boring and unimaginative. I wish we could have productive conversation around these harsh topics and mature nature of these complex works of art.
I think 80% of the anime commmunity actually DOES understand this concept. It’s just that the other 20% cares so much to push their agenda on people that like MT that you see them so often. It’s just another case of the loud minority being annoying af 🙄
Remember we're not all mature or smart. Some of the ppl are still kids, teenagers, etc etc. We are all a slave to society at some point. Genocide is bad but not as bad as men who can't respect women and are pedophiles (trying to be sarcastic).
Tbf for AoT, a lot of my friend really support the idea genocide like literally every new chapter just they says "lets flatten every one" and sometimes felt like not a jokes anymore
It's a sad statement that many people are more offended by nudity, sexualization, and "fan-service" than murder, and genocide in anime, video games, and movies.
Mushoku tensei is literally a show with a bunch of Vegeta's getting redemption. Cept MC is more ugly bastard getting redemption 😂. He goes from the worst you could be to trying to be the best he can be while stumbling across the board like we do in real life. He is a good MC that was a POS. And if you don't think people can be redeemed... We are more lost than ever.
"you don't think people can be redeemed... We are more lost than ever."
after i witness junta government and their supporter did in a certain country at current age, then i'd say "no, people can't be redeemed especially those in the position of power".
@@littlelw319 not everyone can this is absolutely correct but some can. I know a few people that use to do terrible things in gangs that now they dedicate themselves to helping others in their life and working to help their parents. Some people can. Not everyone.
To glorify something the show would need to offer an opinion or guide your opinion towards "liking it". THE SHOW HAS NO OPINION on the topics. That's what makes it interesting. It doesn't TELL you it's bad or good. It's up to you to decide that. Much like Rudy has to relearn all that.
Also why is this even a discussion. It's a fictional show, y'all watch murder and rape and shit on TV and run around "WiNtER is COmINg" and don't get put down for liking that show.
it does have an opinion about it, they explicitly state that it is a character flaw of rudy. if they potrey it as a flaw that needs to be overcome then it means that they do the exact opposite of glorifying it.
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Not a bot.
@@millionelectricvolts6117 hhhhh, are bots that rampent nowadays ?
@@younishmani5560 yes
Nobody likes Rudeus father. Every time he does something wrong, he gets punished for it.
The focus of the show in this topic is not on how Rudeus is good or bad. But on how much women have to choose and adapt to such an environment. It's a reflection on our society.
If by watching a show and liking it we support everything inside it, we all would support meth dealers and a guy that kills with a pen and thinks he is the “god of the new world”.
that sounds interesting. whats the name. the one who deals meth
@@QWERTY-gp8fd breaking bad i think
@@cedrickmarveaux6641 No no, I mean full name of the guy please.
-TotallyNotKira
Tbf Light reduced all crimes by 70% and stopped all wars. The benefits from living in a Kira society outweigh the downsides.
@@fili0938 so u want to live in north korea
Completely agree. I'm of the opinion that you can drop a show for any reason you want and it's fine. It is your free time afterall, you should be able to do what you want with it. But pretending like everyone who watches and enjoys the show supports the actions of an MC by default is just dumb and unrealistic
It's just that when people portray it as "This perfect show that achieved perfection, best show ever"
It gives of the vibe that people think those bad scenes are okay.
Where IMO those scenes are not okay, but everything else is.
Majority of the fans justify MC actions. Go on reddit and start a thread about Rudy being wrong. Ofc when people say "if you like the show you support pedophilia" is just generalizing the fan base, ofc there are fans who likes the show cos of other things maybe Roxy but these are the minority. Rudy set up a camera to spy on his 10 years old niece is plain wrong. And he continues similar pedophilia actions throughout the anime. Just because he does it less often DOES NOT MEAN he is redeemed. above 70% of the time you will see fans defend his actions by saying he is actually just a kid. Again, please go on reddit and say rudy actions are wrong, they will give you a whole essay on why it is not wrong and these actions are actually acceptable.
@@edwardso8903 Bro. That's only in the web novel not in the official LN.
Web Novels are usually drafts/ads for authors when they finally get to publish their LNs officially.
The editor(s) probably opted for the author to change it cause it seems irrelevant to be in the story.
*This is pertaining to that whole niece thing you were talking about.
@@jozokrstanovic9040 No it fucking doesn't, thats on you
The best part about the show is the messed up shit the MC does. It makes him feel like an actual real life horrible person, and not like a self insert character. It builds his character by making him an absolute piece of shit, and then breaks him down in every way possible to make a bad person into a hero. In the show, the MC treats characters as if they were milestones, as NPCs. However, everyone else treats his actions as downright disgusting.
While watching the show, I felt incredibly uncomfortable every damn episode. The problem the community had with the show was that it was way too realistic for them to feel comfortable and self insert.
The popularity of Jobless reincarnation is way lower than other shows is because it is too realistic, and feels too real to treat as a fantasy isekai. Every damn time an episode of the show releases, I get hesitant to watch it just because of how uncomfortable it makes you feel. Looking at the show from an objective point of view, the character writing and character development is absolutely perfect. Specifically because it was written so well, the actions of the characters feel way too human; as if a flawed human was put in that scenario and was let to do whatever they wanted. Their immoral actions are not of the sort of evil, but the sort that anyone on earth could feasibly think of doing by extending their line of morals a slight bit greyer, just to let them do the immoral action and give an excuse to themselves on why they did it.
But he is a pedo bro 😩
What are you talking about it’s one of the more popular isekais lol.
And it’ll keep getting more popular as it goes on. Also if you reincarnated and your remember your previous life. It’s not your fault you can remember. Give him some slack on that. He did sexually assault some of them though and that was wrong
@@MortalKing sorry I meant to say lower than it should be. It is still incredibly popular, but is less popular than shows like AOT, Demon Slayer, and Jujustu Kaisen.
I mean no isekai maybe except no game no life and re zero has reached that popularity though, so I wouldn’t compare and it might get that popular in the near future.
Garnt gained a lot of my respect because of this
"I know a lot of people can't get into a show unless they project themselves into the main character, and that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that"
*Grant lied as naturally as he breathed*
Which part do you think this is a lie? If you are talking about projections, that is more a Connor thing instead of Garnt.
he's talking about other isekai, the bad ones
@@baltstop2702 the people who have a problem with mushoku tensei unironically enjoy sword art online.
@@ndyKong It's just a joke bro, it ain't that deep.
Who said that fictional stories have to be comfortable? The purpose of art is to question our assumptions about the world around us. To argue otherwise is to be a propagandist.
Only reason why I started watching it was because Rudy is a breath of fresh air compared to the goodie two shoes main characters. I love when Rudy is himself, the panty worship is one of my favorite moments in the show.
This is honestly a stupid "controversy"
If you're uncomfortable watching Mushoku Tensei then drop it, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the anime itself nor the character of those who do watch it.
It's ties well into the weird culture in japan about sexualizing young girls that is very prevalent in anime. I think's it's completely okay to perceive it that way and wanting to fight against that toxic and probably dangerous worldview.
Personally I couldn't get past it in the anime since when I red the web novel many years ago, it never got any better and just got worse and worse. I hope they can do it better in the anime.
@@arnarogbjorn uhhh I'm not sure what you read, but Rudy never pursued children in the future ..?
@@kylominogo No, he pursued women he had been "grooming" since they were children. He does marry both the girls he met as children.
@@arnarogbjorn be that as it may, he was reincarnated and therefore started again from 0 as far as I'm concerned. So imo I don't see that as grooming, since he is the same age. And I still stand by my statement that he doesn't pursue children in the future.
@@kylominogo WHAT? You think because his physical age is the same, that makes it ok?
I don't think we could come to an agreement on that, so let's just agree to disagree.
He’s a guy who watches cp. Then, the stuff he does in his reincarnation, it’s disgusting. I know it’s a anime and it’s fake but it’s… I just can’t get past it. I know it’s childish but it’s just alien to me. Though, I do understand that it has a great story and animation. Sorry, I’m just ranting
Edit: I just read what happened to him in the past. But, it doesn’t justify what he does. I’ve never been bullied so maybe I can’t relate to him.
then don't watch it or interact with content around the show??
You don't need to watch it(not saying rudely) if you feel it's not for u , but others might have different perspectives and maybe are okay with this type of story since they fully realize that it's fictional and not real . Not to mention we all know except the main character everything in this anime is without a debate 10/10 . But it's up to people to like it or not like it but try to understand others'perspectives as well . Thank you , btw have you ever watched Re:Zero (anime)or The Beginning after the End (manga), if not try them . The beginning after the end is literally mushoku tensei but without the disgusting stuffs .
It’s fiction so it doesn’t really bother me. Plus the story and world-building are really good. I enjoy the anime.
The whole point of rudy's character in the beginning of the anime is for him to be a horrible person that you shouldn't like. If people can't see that the main plot of this story is rudy becoming a better person and trying to redeem himself in this new life then they are ignorant and can go back to watching their generic power fantasy haram anime. I personally love seeing anime pushing subjects that could make people uncomfortable because it could actually make for an amazing original story.
It's not just that viewers get put off by Rudy's actions, characters in the show are taken aback by his sudden character changes, even if they themselves are very flawed to put it lightly. In their eyes Rudy is a genius hard working polite kid who is also very patient and constantly wants to improve upon himself, but sometimes his brain stop working and he transforms into a sexual deviant for a minute, and you can see in most of the reactions around him that they hate that but they still care for the usual Rudy enough to let it slide
I'd agree with you for the first part of the show, leading up to the explosion, but after that it really felt like they reset most of his character growth, and his perviness towards everyone, including children, goes nearly back to what it was at the start of the show. Also the bit about people reacting poorly to it is shown in way less of a negative light, usually resulting in a sort of "Oh, you little pervert lol" reaction from the other characters.
The scene that really killed my interest in the show was the bit where Eris and the beast children were playing while bathing, and he was just watching from inside a box. The scene direction definitely felt the same as fanservice scenes in other anime, and when he was caught it was a five second gag and then it was forgotten. Early scenes felt like we and everyone else in the show were intended to be disgusted by his actions where this one didn't.
The point of Rudy's character is to us seeing him overcome his ghost from the previous life and be relatable to hikikomoris
Rudy is not a moral exemple, he's someone who can't be 100% honest about his true nature because how the others would react to it, judge and left him
@@shrubninja6444 It did seem like his character growth was kind of reset after the teleporting but I don't think he actually made as much progression as you think he did pre teleporting. He was still trying to make moves on Eris just in a less aggressive or disrespectful way imo. About the scene with Eris and the beast girls, I thought of that scene as a comedic gag showing rudeus being a pervert as usual but also how the father was thankful for rudeus but would never let him act on his daughters
Probably the most vanilla opinion (but whatever):
To be as most unbiased as possible, the story of mushoku tensei including aspects such as magic, the languages and the world itself are actually quite interesting, which is primarily why I originally started the show. The only problem is while I understand some characters, like Rudy, need time to change and become better it is at the same time very jarring to keep watching while he keeps on pulling this weird shit so often. Obviously I'm not saying that people who enjoy the show are pedos as you would really have to have a screw loose to think that, however once again as an unbiased bystander there are definitely parts of the show that make it understandable why you might hesitate to keep on watching instead of just dropping it and moving on.
im glad that people like this R rated anime. People have to realize its not a shounen but a seinen and they have to have different expectations for the MC because they are not gonna be normal.
@@Drippinonyou Exactly. They need to realize that a main character isn't necessarily lovable just because they're a main character. It's a tough concept for some people, that a show's quality can extend beyond having a heroic or relatable main character. It is a real character. And real characters aren't always as you'd fantasize them to be.
Mushoku makes a great deal about having real characters, not "good" characters. All characters have flaws of varying type and degree, but ultimately these flaws end up supporting the depth of the show, because whenever an interaction happens, you realize that it doesn't come from a superficial surface-level resolve or mindset. It is always deep rooted - both for good and bad.
You know mushoku tensei is good for me because of the world building
And i think that if the anime followed any charecter from the cast it would have still been good
But following an actual morally wrong yet not evil charecter and seeing him grow is captivating
And i think that i could relate to rudy with alot of things, not all the wierd stuff , but wanting to move forward and not being able to ,and observing as your life grows worse and worse and seeing the path you should take but not having the power to move down that path
But of course people focused on him being perverted because stories of bad charecters should somehow not be bad now
I have literally never expected this show to be controversial. Well responded
You didn't think a 30yo man, with all his memories, molesting a child would make the show controversial?
@@Velereonics Peace mate, I'm not your enemy. No, I didn't. It was a really small part of the show, mostly prevalent at the start, when he was a bottom of society thrash. It's a typical japanese story targeting their declining population of perverts to grow. And it's a popular adaptation to heart at an old enough source. Their internal politics differ massively to ours. None of our localisation dramas frankly concern me. It's honestly all a popularity wave of people who do not understand the impact of where that media comes from.
To put things into perspective Kono Suba is more much more 'vile', but when it aired anime wasn't as popular and there was no drama surrounding a good show.
@@hristopavlov298 Importantly all the characters there are kids. The goddess is I guess infinite years old but all 3 look and act like kids, teens at the oldest.
I don't think that's a good comparison. A better one, but not perfect, is Reincarnated as an Aristocrat. He's very much an adult with all his memories. But he doesn't molest any of the kids in his world and when he is romantic with one, it's portrayed as sinister. He's manipulating them so that he can achieve his aims.
I actually do have an issue with something in that show which you can prob guess if you've seen it but it's not a perfect comparison either.
@@Velereonics In this one Roxy is a teen rest are adults, but one in a child's body
i saw Rudy as a mix of the narrator voice and the body he was isekai'd to. he sometimes reacts like a child. the narrator voice also has lines getting Sylphiette wrong, and child Rudy is very upset at the incident. It doesn't really read to me that the narrator knew and was going for it with a girl, then pretended when he was caught.
Or maybe the narrator knew, and felt guilty for it when he saw how it hurt Sylphiette. That's a balanced character.
About Rudy's past life, he is 34 years old, but his mind is still a 15-16 year old kid and has locked himself in his room for more than 15 years.
As for the current Rudy, even if he had the memories of a 30 year old, he couldn't make him act like a 30 year old guy. When "reincarnated" as a child, it also means that he will learn everything from scratch and the memory of his past life only helps Rudy absorb and learn faster than a normal child. And about love, he will only be interested in girls of the same age as him (physical age) and when he matures he will love mature girls.
People fail to understand that Rudeus's mind is fairly underdeveloped when it comes to certain things,and he's actually surprisingly daft when it comes to women,as emphasized when he struggled to offer Roxy encouragement or when he had no idea how to adress Slyphy after finding out she was a girl
@T elpirt also he's limited by his physical brain. He grows and matures on pace with a child minus schema development
@@Qwertasdfgzxcvb1 ikr. Let just wait for them to shut up when the next arc comes.
In the light novel, rudeus is his own narrator.
"Oh, you like Bakugou? That means you like bullying!" I have actually heard this for both Bakugou and Endeavor as though the story doesn't address these things and the reasons people like characters can be varied and complex
The whole point of the story is watching a despicable person take advantage of a second chance at life and slowly grow into a better person. And yet if you say the story is good, that apparently means you think all the despicable things are good! Even though the entire story is about him growing and no longer being despicable!!!
While he kinda is still despicable in some ways. He definitely became a way better person than his previous life. Very proud of him. TwT
@@lonemarkkingoftypos3722 yeah definitely but you can like his character FOR his development and arcs
Technically didn't even improve, He did the deed with eris near the end of season 2.
@@pyroflame5414 she was considered an adult in their world though, but I agree with u lol. Though 2seasons wasn’t all his improvement, he improves massively over the course of the books
@@pyroflame5414 He wasn't the one to initiate it, but sure ig, Also that was s1 part 2, Season 2 will follow his depression arc which is fucking hilarious lemme add
People are trying to deny that Rudi's degeneracy was partially caused by the kids who shunned him. They also have a problem with the show suggesting that Rudi would've turned into a great guy if he had the proper upbringing and guidance. The way haters talk about Rudi is like how religious people talk about gays: very focused on purging them and refusing to see them as human beings.
Oh what precious snowflakes. Must be nice having a nice family and childhood
I quit watching Mushoku Tensei after a few episodes in my first try because I was hella uncomfortable with Rudy's thoughts and my experience with sexist webnovels told me that the attitude of all the nasty men around him would all be accepted and proven right by the narration. Then I started again after watching gigguk's recomendation video, which-- BEST decision ever.
(SPOILERS) The scene that first convinced me was when Rudy was about to touch Eris but stopped after seeing her sleeping while hugging her new wand and ring, because I realised that Rudy had gotten the first inkling that what he was doing wasnt exactly right. And what REALLY got to me was my disgust about the treatment of the beastgirl maids being vindicated by the season 2 beastpeople arc, and the fact that Rudeus had to face the reality of how beastmaids are "made" and how he had wanted a haremfull of them a few years ago.
By the time I finished the anime, I genuinely felt that if Eris' scummy dad offered to tie her up for Rudy's pleasure after the two seasons of growing up Rudy experienced, Rudy would be mad as hell, unlike his lukewarm rejection when it actually happened. The character developement of this guy who had never actually interacted with women as anything but characters somehow learning that they are people even though he's living amongst some of the literally most terrible men in the world (not ruijerd tho he's great, and the dad is EVENTUALLY okay) is just so so good its insane. (END SPOILERS)
So I don't get why people claim its a sign of bad character to like this show. I feel like it should be the opposite-- if someone has watched this show in good faith and finished it without complaining about Rudeus's change or the way that the girls around him are actual characters with lives and their own ambitions and their understandably unpredictible sides, it should be a sign that yeah, they're a decent human being.
Anyways, rant over! If you managed to read this far, good for you lmao Support me in begging the studio for a third season soon. And thank you Gigguk for convincing me to give Mushoku Tensei another chance. It deserved one.
As someone who have read the complete WN let me tell you that mushoku tensei's main message isn't supporting pedophilia or grooming. It is all about family, how a family and loved ones can change a person, how precious family is, he had mainy failures and was almost giving up his loved ones and people whom he made connections with save him. i hope more people understand it's greatness.
@@suprith5443 I definitely agree! :D
I honestly never understood the hate since I dont see any sexism or racism or anything of the sort, like sure he thinks of doing bad stuff but I dont remember him ever going through with it, especially as a manga reader
Does the anime's horrible handling of assault improve?
Also i am not the biggest fan of "well you like vegeta even though he tried to blow up the planet" also vegeta wasnt trying to diddle children. If he did that i dont anyone would eant to be a vegeta fan but i wonder why doesnt. Maybe cause the creator of dragon ball wasnt a weirdo.
I like the story and its definitely true that the point is to show the MC grow, but the creepy scenes usually come off as comedic or too lighthearted, so I do agree with people who say that the show glorifies those scenes a bit too much
Yeah I don't have a problem with heavy themes, but they're handled without much respect in this anime.
It's fine for Rudy to be a terrible person but half the time the scene and framing treats its like he's just being a lovable rascal.
It's framed like average fanservice in any other show, which makes it almost laughably contradictory to the point of Rudy as a character.
It was just disappointing for me personally, I like the concept, bad execution. Everything else was great but just that to me ruined the show.
@@megabumbusta2746 nah it’s good stuff, that shit is bussin
Rudy X Eris
Finally, a genuine understandable negative opinion that isn't "if you like mushoku tensei you a p*do REEEEE"
Mushoku has some of the best character development in the business. It really shows a lot of aspects of human nature that we should all be ashamed of, but also many aspects we should be proud of.
Never figured pedophilia was character development
But as giguk said, I’m not saying people support the action, but at least condemn it, you can’t just ignore the pedo shit to sing the graces of the show, that’s called denial.
So many keep dickriding they hype and defending the pedo aspects of the show as human or normal or just part of our nature, and that’s BS
@@Wolfsurfsthe show itself condemns it, so if the people who are watching it don’t, then they missed the point.
@@Wolfsurfs The anime and the novel condemn him even more, it is character development because he goes from being that pervert to being a better person… You are missing the point, if you analyze the series objectively, you will see that never, on not a single occasion was the Rudeus's perverted behavior glorified, not a single one of all the times he behaved like this did he come out without receiving some kind of punishment and even in the novel they put more focus on this by showing that in Rudy's thoughts, he used to feel bad after what he was doing, self-deprecating for that and that stuff, I won't go into more detail because it seems like you haven't seen the series with an adequate mindset (I'm not talking about whether you liked it or not) nor did you understand the point of the plot, I doubt even more that You have read the novel, and that is fine, but your comment is not correct on this occasion.
Bro i dropped anime on 4th episode after his father raped and told his son to only chase one girl I just knew this anime is not for me , I understand if it for others
@@TigerzEye11 @fabiangr3297 No it does not, the main character, a pedophile, is portrayed as the good guy and a hero. His father, a rapist, is also portrayed as a good guy. Being a literal pedophile and harming kids while you're disguised as a kid yourself is portrayed as a slight character flaw, that one can simply fix by "becoming a better person" (which he never becomes as he ends up marrying the kids that he groomed). And SA is played of as jokes and gags throughout the show. NOT ONCE has this show condemnd any of these actions, neither does the novel. If you can ignore ALL of that for the sake of the "plot" (the plot being a pedohpile getting all his sick desires fulfilled while none of his victims know that he's an actual grown man) then you are deadass weird. Ain't nobody give a fuck that he was bullied, being bullied does not turn any normal person into a pedophile.
The kind of characters I like the most, are the ones that are flawed from the beginning because they are the kind of characters that have the most to be redeemed and the most evolution to go through. I really hate Rudy's messed up part and that is exactly the point. You are supposed to hate it so that the writer can make the character evolve past these messed up parts.
I still really hate the creepy, sex assault parts of the show though, but the show itself and the evolution of Rudy are just incredibly well constructed.
When I started season 2, I only just realized that the theme of Mushoku Tensei was "People can change".
Characters are introduced to have certain traits. But later in the story, they would improve their attitude, or they would reveal their backstory, and the truth behind their "wrongdoings" only for use to realize that it was the right thing to do after all.
Having read the Light Novels through volume 15, and finished with the WebNovels, I think that even more than about people being able to change, It's a story about family, and why it's important to treasure them even if they're imperfect. By the End of the story, not even Rudeus would say he's a Saint. He's certainly no longer the human Scum he once was, but he's still got plenty of flaws and emotional trauma he'll carry with him for the rest of his life. Of course, people changing and growing is a part of life, but at the same time, nobody is perfect, and try as hard as they might, they can still hurt people without even meaning to.
@@T2and3 thank you so much for sharing your thoughts without significant spoilers. really appreciate it.
that's a really neat comment you wrote to make me love the series even more. I'm looking forward for the next season, if they would ever be continued.
also, the moment I read "family" I immediately imagined Ruijerd as Dominic Toretto. XD
@@bmo3778 I mean........ that's probably not far off the mark. Lol, now I'm imagining Vin Diesel playing Ruijerd for the dark and gritty live action adaptation.
If you don't like m.t but watched worlds finest assassin then your opinion on this don't count 🤣
People literally forgot he's an old man and were cheering for one of the girl to be with him😂😂😂
@@suprith5443 It's easy to forget when the MC isn't as well written so you forget it's an isekai.
Great take. The show has a lot of things going for it, and if you enjoy the show for those things, cool. If you're put off by the pedophilia/grooming stuff at the beginning, also cool. The debate about how the show portrays and handles those things is legitimate and interesting.
The issues around the discourse come from the people at the extremes of both sides, where you have people claiming Rudy doesn't do anything wrong, and then you have those who say if you enjoy the show it's because of pedophilic wish fulfillment. Both are wrong.
Don't get where the philia comes into play from watching it. 🤣
Can get Rudeus unintentionally conditioning Sylphy to be dependent on him if he'd stayed... But philia? He showed no intrest in his younger siblings-who are the only characters that I can think of that'd fit that. If there were other prepubescent characters that he was being weird towards I feel like it'd just be his perversion.
Internet masses to media broadening the applicability of the term, changing the defined disorder, doesn't make Rudeus somehow have a fixated interest in prepubescent characters.
As much as people don't want to admit it, covering it up with purity, preteens are dirty minded... So I can't see his thoughts **at that point** as widely out of norm-his mind and quirks might have carried over, but his body is still developing, including his brain-only instances where he's acting on it. 🤣
This controversy is the same thing as boomers calling gamers murderers for loving the intention to kill.
people are not weird for liking the anime but they are fucked for liking that part of the anime, idc if the main character was bullied or anything if you like children you can go straight to hell in my opinion its irredeemable
There's a lot of things about Rudeus that make him an amazing character. His personality is one of them, but not in the way most people would agree with. I believe that characters need a purpose and set path to take in order to be great characters. In the case of Rudeus, his purpose is overcoming the mental and social problems he gained through trauma in his past life, and his path to that is simply living the best life he can as Rudeus Greyrat. Making full use of the world to mature and drop his disgusting tendencies is how MT displays both parts of what a great character looks like. His perverted and offputting personality at the start is a great starting point because it makes his progress all that more tangible and satisfying. I think it's acceptable for people to not want to watch the show due to his actions, but it's still a great show.
I don't need to be able to project myself onto a protagonist to be able to enjoy a show, but I at least need to find a protagonist interesting or enjoy watching them in some way. And, for what it's worth, that wasn't the case for Rudy with me. I did watch the first season and I did like it, but not enough to return for a second season. I do agree with Garnts opinion tho.
if you at the very least liked the first season, the second season is undoubtedly worth it in my opinion. it's levels above the first
Understandable have a nice day.
the '2nd part' is so so so much better and it will only get crazier from there, I ended up reading LN because of it
Let's cancelled Jojo bizzare Adventure part 2 for glorifying people joining Nazi because of scene Joseph joestar teaming up with Stroheim
Its not even just the fact that hes a creep. Like idc if a character is creepy. But for me, and a lot of others, what really bothers us is this show pushing this idea that pedophilia, child touching, grooming is forgivable. And not many people think that pedophiles and sex offender deserve forgiveness. Cause they really dont. They abused children. Helpless beings, for their own gratification. Theres no reason for it. And now a child is left traumatized. There can be an aruguable justification for violence but never can there ever be any form of justification for child touching
this is the same as saying that AOT promotes sympathy for those who commit genocide
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No. Because aot doesn’t promote any sexual content, let alone pedo shit,
It’s immature to say that if you like the show you support the pedo things
But it’s worse when people defend the pedo aspects in the vale of character development or realism, because if you find pedo behavior relatable then you need help.
The show is good, but we can’t not acknowledge the sick shit it displays time and time again because it’s *objectively* gross and disgusting, and promoting the good while forcibly discarding the bad is just dumb.
And examples should exhibit the same level of impact on the subject,
sayans from a galactic imperial lizard man isn’t the same as groping a 9 yo,
I think it's ok Rudy is a shitty person - it makes for a somewhat believable character. However the author makes some of this stuff extra egregious. He has at times had pretty unneeded scenes of sexualizing children without even using it as a vessel of showing Rudy being a shitty person or even character growth. Some of it is pretty blatant fanservice and it's gross.
The show outside of that is amazing though.
How dare you legitimately point out obvious shortcomings of the story. We're here to pretend that the amount of backlash it recieved is solely because the prudes and outsiders picked an easy target, not because a lot of people found author went a little overboard at points which prevented many people from enjoying the story to its fullest.
First good take. Everyone else here not getting this
Thank you, preach.
After reading the entire novel and all of it’s spin offs this entire controversy seems so silly. All of this world building, all of these plot lines slowly building up in the background, the history of the world and all the cultures. There is so much more to the story and world this shit seems so insignificant, so much drama for a single character in this world. Rudeus’s story is literally just building a pathway for a future conflict that is so beyond him. And y’all are stuck on his mindset when he is still only 12 years old.
the entire story is literally a redemption arc and what those ppl don't realise is that in order to redeem yourself as a person you need to be a shitty one beforhand
I feel you, we just have sit in the corner and eat some popcorn.
I just don't get why critics of the series saw Mushoku Tensei as a promoter of the stuff that they point out as I saw Rudy getting beat up when he does bad stuff to Eris, Pax Shirone getting punished by Roxy for touching and not tolerating what Elinalise has done when finding Paul's family. Hell, even Paul got repirmanded by his son ( who was supposed to lack he knowledge and wisdom of handling marital issues) and by Zenith who didn't put to it by restrained herself from expulsing Lilia as its very bad and treated her as family.
They can't even point out the characters as having personalities and awareness that things were done to them and they're not putting up to it.
All in all, the contorverisal and bad stuff being pointed out in Mushoku Tensei does happen but the characters don't let it happen and they don't point to it. Just look at when Rudy and Ruijerd helped the kidnapped people who were about to be sold for whatever evil purposes and Paul helping his displaced co-villagers during the Mana Calamity.
I don't have a problem with heavy themes, but they're handled without much respect in this anime.
It's fine for Rudy to be a terrible person but half the time the scene and framing treat it like he's just being a lovable rascal.
That's my main criticism and I feel like it's unfair to portray everyone who doesn't like the show as someone who can't handle the gross scenes. I don't have a problem with anyone who enjoys the show and most certainly don't think everyone who does is a pedophile. Just my opinion.
@@altruisticlemur i think they just thingking rudy was a prodigy so they love them, i mean, the people on that world was almost fucked up, and seeing rudy basically like doing anything and dont really care. It's some flaw to the story. But now season 2 is announced so wait to see what happen next.
If you hate Rudy that's ok even the people that love the show me included hate him for being a pervert but I am still watching it cuz there's something special about the show I am not talking about the animation, music and world building I am talking about the story. A story about a NEET, a messed up man, that got a second chance in life and were here the audience watch him taking that second chance to be a better person and change. Don't expect Rudy to change suddenly and become a better person, There's no man like that exist.
Mushoku tensei is just mature, interesting I love how the author fearlessly write this flawed character even though writing a character like this is like making a big controversy that will ruined the popularity of his show.
In my perspective: I love the show because the op music is good, every animation is outstanding and consistent even a little piece of bread in the show is amazingly animated its a little on far with wit studio or better (Wit fans arise), the attention to detail is good, the world building is amazing its one of the best world building I've seen and of course the character development, I've seen better character development in other show but the character in this show has so many space to grow specialy Rudy because he's the most flawed character in the show using flawed character make character development Interesting...
And No I am not supporting incest.
To be simple..
I hate Rudy but I am rooting for him to change..
The point...
I want you to understand rudy and have faith in him to change...
Count the word change for me...
I am Anime only guys no spoiler
Still waiting for s2 part1
incest? There was no incest in the story
@@rajder656 eris and rudy are cousins 👍
@@teslagasoline5629 i forgot especially cause they are 2nd cousins but considering it's semi normal in the world of mushoku tensei im fine with it tbh
@@TheFeelTrain still definitely puts a lot of people off though, not me though I fuckin LOVE this show. Read through like 60% of the WN before I got burnt out, I should read the rest soon
@@teslagasoline5629 nope eris is not rudeus cousin
Not spoiler btw idk why anime not explain it like in ln/wn
Rudeus is from notos since his father is the first child of notos family (remember there is 4 greyrat family that control 4 area in asura and notos is one of them. If you want to know boreas notos and other two exist like 100+ years ago so rudeus and eris is not a cousin they just have same ancestor.
When I finished reading Mushoku Tensei WN, I think of Rudy as "he feels like a friend I ve known for a long time".
When I first saw that they were going to do an anime for MT (something I called impossible because has too much internal dialogue) first thing I thought was "Congrats, Rudy, you made it!". I know he is not real, but my brain just *"felt happy for my dear friend getting recognition"*
The funny thing watching reactors is seeing comments like "yeah I probably did that thing been an adolescent, but is wrong for Rudeus because he is grown ass man", when the reality he is a child with hormones and a brain of a child, with the memories of traumatized virgin man
He does not have the brain of a child, he has the brain of a grown man. That's like... the whole point of the show? They even go out of their way to remind you of that by using two voice actors, a young voice for his dialogue with other characters, and the old one for his inner monologue.
And just because you're traumatized it's justifiable to traumatize other children by sexually assulting them while they're sleeping and grooming them?? You people are weird fr.
My dude, even when he's a baby he have impure/adults thoughts?
Crazy people are defending this.
It’s because people is trying to relate this fantasy world to ours. What made this show so good is portraying a world with different values, morales, and principles. When Philip told Rudy to use protection, that sentence alone made me realise this was no longer earth, this was a world with different views to life. Where to them, sex is sex and that’s it. It is a realistic story to the world of Mushoku Tensei, just not to our world.
I’m NOT supporting pedophilia in anyway shape or form. But it’s just like trying to convince someone from a completely different world or universe that wrong is right, and right is wrong, when for them the opposite is true. So you should not put your values and morales onto the show, and just enjoy the story for what it is.
There is a difference between showing that there is this kind of problem in the world and "gloryfying" or "supporting" it. Main point in my opinion is how other characters react to this. And with Rudy almost always when he makes something wierd he gets "punished" for that or its showed specifically to make you feel gross about it.
People love using Eren/Light as an example of MCs doing bad things, completely forgetting that they are the VILLAINS of their series. Rudy is THE HERO.
Rudy is not the hero , who told you , the main hero of the story is his daughter(sorry if I spoiled u)
@@Betares bruh hero as in the good guys. The one the writer wants you to root for which CLEARLY people are.
if you want a character who tries to be a better person in a fantasy world with actual stakes.
Might I suggest "the second coming of gluttony"
edit:synopsis
gamble addict travels between reality and fantasy, he has family problems that he wishes to change, a lover who he had a falling off with. and most importantly, HE HAS A HAREM OF LEGAL GIRLS WHO ARE ACTUAL CHARACTERS.
Will most likely never check it out thanks to the nature of "Watch Later" lists but hopefully I'll read it down the line, sounds really interesting!
thanks, im gonna check it out
It's from Trash MC->CHAD MC
Character flaws make good writing, if every story was about the same perfect person that could do no wrong we'd be bored pretty quickly
i dont truly want to respect his opinion, but i know its not my problem and ok.
Bro, I watched, and i swear i did not see a piece of good in that man. Not just in the boy, the entire anime have girls that seems to want fuck with him, this is bad bro, he does not get better. Maybe you see he cahnging, but bro, the anime have sexual jokes all the time and almost all of this jokes are with a minor, seems to me that the show cant apresent a minor to us without making a seqs joke, there is literaly no female character in the series that did not get sexualized in any form.
The fact that the boy have a 40 yearl old man narrating him just make everything worst, bro want to convinve me his 15 years but boy keeps saying he have 35 years and remembering me thats not a kid
The greater discussion, at least, the good faith discussion is on how Rudeus improved. On the type of character development that happened. Was it enough to offset the controversial or suspect content and qualities of his character? Is there justification to include, what was it, the alleged "child grooming" and "pedophilia" in the story? Both as a narrative tool and aspect of the character.
Not unlike the continued conversation over whether or not it is justifiable to include rape scenes in fiction.
It's a difficult question to answer. I don't have one.
The only metrics I can come up with is "is it played just for (cheap) shock value" and "is it appealing to fetish bait".
Hypothetically, if you die at 50 and somehow are reborn with your memories intact, will you date 50+ year olds while you're in a 16 year old body?
By the logic of haters one should become a monk, or indeed date only elederly people
The World's Finest Assassin Gets Reincarnated in Another World as an Aristocrat was running at the same time and the mc legit loves his cousin like come on its not on the same level but no one batted and eye about that
Lugh in love with his cousin is by far the most vanilla shit from this show. Mc kills people, "examines" the 2 little girls he actually brainwashed into killers once per month, and many other shits. Yet, as you said, no one gave a shit about it
to the supposed "LN readers" in chat that said he doesn't improve from his horniness, being horny in a proper healthy relationship is a different thing and i think you're just projecting yourself.
My issue is not with Rudeus having flaws, my issue is with the anime being so explicit with its fanservice. It makes Rudeus' growth feel hollow when the anime revels in showing us explicit scenes. If those scenes still happened but we as viewers didn't see the panty shots, I think people would be having a completely different conversation.
this is exactly the problem I had with the show. The show isn't neutral about pedophilia once it uses fanservice. Fanservice is meant to literally promote something to its fans. Rudy can still be a creep and that still works well with the story, but like the panty shots - that isn't meant for Rudy, that's meant for the audience to look at and take pleasure in. When Rudy and Eris get kidnapped and Eris gets beaten to a pulp, that doesn't promote that hitting little girls is ok. And there is no controversy about that scene. But if there were to be a close up shot in that scene of Eris heavily breathing after getting beaten or something that's supposed to excite the audience, then it would be marketing that concept to the fans.
It's like from rudeus POV, he seen everything in "egregious" way so the fanservice have to follow his POV to make it real even tho it's kinda annoying for me to watch it with my family
i am a simple guy, i see gigguk in title, i click on vid, i see tier list, i see dungeon of black company on A tier, i smile
My issue with the show is that it is so gratuitous with the creepy shit. I understood the point that the main character was a piece of shit very well, but the show kept going and kept going. It got beyond uncomfortable territory and into the plain gross and unnecessary. The point everyone argues is that it's okay because the mc is a piece of shit and the show affirms this, but it's just too much in my opinion. There were better ways of getting the point across that would have glorified his actions far less. It's just gross and poorly handled, and I'm bummed, because the production quality seemed fantastic.
It’s mainly in the early parts because of his age and those around him. He only deals with people the age of his new life. Season 1 is only 6 out of 26 volumes of the LN. You follow him into old age.
Would it kill him to just say “I don’t give a shit I like what I like”😂
He's one of the biggest anime youtubers rn, he can't afford to do that lol
@@jat4554 I figured since he has so many followers, it wouldn’t make much of a difference no matter what he says. He’s gonna keep most of his audience. It’s nice that he tries to bend over backwards to appease everyone but he really doesn’t need to
Glad i don't care anything and only see anime for fun. Real world is bored and i'm tired of people criyng in social media and making controversy about everything. So, society can go to shit, i will continue enjoy my animes and don't give a f*ck about what others think.
I COMPLETELY RELATE TO YOU AND COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. just watch anime like anime.
morals?controversy? who cares really🤣🤣.
Agreed my friend. I recommend you watching some amv -ua-cam.com/video/MJmerNrOhcM/v-deo.html
The anime also leaves out the little skits in between chapters. After he creeps on young Eris Greyrat, Rudy literally has a consultation with himself and decides touching lolis is bad. The show is important that it depicts realistic interactions with kids (ofc Rudy is technically not a kid and he get shit on in the narrative for being a manchild). It does stress the importance of consent and communication (some of that is lost in the anime).
But it goes beyond the dumb anime tropes and gives fairly realistic situations. Eris doesn't know how to communicate properly but she shows interest and sets clear boundaries when Rudy crosses them. Its such an unbelievably stupid take to try to censor something that is literally pointing out real issues instead of glorifying them.
Edit: I was talking about skits between manga chapters not the novel but it looks like my point still stands.
Yeah, the main problem I have is with the novel material the show cut and how that impacted the way certain actions were portrayed. There are things I dislike about the _show_ and the way it decided to approach certain subjects. I still think Rudy is an incredibly interesting character, I just don't appreciate the way his actions were depicted at times.
THIS, the novel actually tells A LOT more of rudy as a character, how he grows from it, his previous lives, etc
you like Eren do you support child killing, do you support massacre
and I'm like YES, YES I DO
Bro I just can't. I'm trying to watch an anime and connect to the MC, Rudeus is so far out there in the unreacheable depths of degeneracy (and I consider myself somewhat numbed to this stuff by now) that I just can't see him as a protagonist I should support.
Like.... How do I explain this... If the show had no isekai elements, it would be so much easier to watch. I couldn't get past the scene he tries to take Eris' underwear while she was asleep, I legit dropped it then and there. I get it, the point is that he's a terrible person and such, but man... I can watch evil people just fine, but a morally deranged sexual predator and pedo is just not what I want for my MC in a saturday afternoon.
That's fair and understandable, the problem is when people try to attack others who are able to stomach this kind of degeneracy for the sake of a good story.
Its fine, the entire point is to show how disgusting of a person rudeus is, and how he grow from it. It can be off puting for a lot of people, and I understand
@@linko9720 i appreciate this comment because a lot of times I end up with someone defending rudy saying "he's not that bad" and "he's just a fictional character" and that shit truly pisses me off
@@altruisticlemur after reading the latest LN, I still dont like rudy, but the story is pretty insane to make me keep going and makes mushoku the first LN that i read, its really wild
And then Rudeus went and bought a slave and didn't have much of a problem with it (which is inconsistent with how he felt about the beast people slaves)
Thank you! Where the fuck did that train of thought even come from in the first place? When did enjoyment of a piece of fiction mean you support any action taken within the work by any character ? Does watching lord of war mean I support black market arms deals ? Does watching wolf of wall street mean I cheer on or support financial crime ? Seriously how detached do you have to be to bring an argument like that in the first place xD
This is simply a continuation of the "violent video games turn kids into murderers and psychopaths" boomer idea.
@@MyVanir not a boomer idea though. Unfortunately the fear of new forms of media and Information is as old as media itself. You could copy paste arguments and fear mongering about VHS, TV , Books and Games and if not for the era specific language differences wouldn't find much difference.
Though this argument here goes even beyond that, it's so entirely brain dead, that you could use it to cancel pretty much any fiction ever if you strictly applied this. Reading The bible : you support child murder and genocide!!! Reading 1984 : you support surveillance states and authocracy !!
This is exactly it. It just saddens me, that such a great show, with so much potential would just randomly delve into pedophilia like it's no big deal, and almost try and normalize it to a degree. There really is no reason for that, without that shit, the show would be a 10/10. Like they could've made the main character evolve in so many different ways, EVEN with the pedophilia thing, they could've hinted at it and explained it by "Hey, it is weird, but he is kind of a kid right now, so he needs to figure this shit out", WITHOUT ACTUALLY MAKING HIM ACT ON IT. Him literally groping every female character he comes accross, no matter the age, is a very weird thing for a show to invest in.
So no, it's not about "him developing and maturing as a person", cause he does that anyway, in multiple ways, not just in the fact that he becomes less of a pedophile. The show in all other regards could've been a classic, the animation is just pure beauty. The story although plain, is alright. The characters are interesting and have great character development. Soundtrack is marvelous. I watched it, and even enjoyed it quite a bit. Doesn't change the fact that it went from my potential top 20 anime to a "fun watch if theres nothing else" because of the focus on fan service, underage nudity and sex, and pedophilia.
as someone who's reading light novel after the anime, I can understand why people dont like Rudy, he is such a piece of garbage of a person even after later volumes, but it keeps me going because its a part of how MT tells the story, and the slowly world building in the background, characters development, how the plot moving forwards is actual insane that I would say its a masterclass of an isekai, next arc in the anime will show how the REAL mushoku is like, and it will gets even crazier from there. Still, I would say some Rudy action still makes me disgusted and makes me puke, and thats part of the story.
My true issue with the pedo material in this anime. Even if it is short and puts it in a disheartening light. It is still pedo material and real pedos. Take that as a sign that "its okays to make content of these young girls" and they begin spreading and making pedo content centered around this anime. I dont believe "if you like jobless then your a pedo" but i do believe that this creates a window of opportunity for these weirdos to create more of that material. Truly taking away everything that the show might have good intentions with and turning it into slick material. I also believe in a modern day story we should not put children fake or not into those roles. It sets a bad example for other creators that are hoping to be empowered by praise for this type of material.
As an LN/WN reader, I look forward to seeing S2 and especially S3. But I know for a fact, that the controversy regarding his behaviour in S1 is nothing compared to the controversy we will see in the future. If Twitter got heated over childhood arc Rudeus, they will have a nuclear meltdown over the events that come in V10, V13 and V15.
I don't see anything controversial in that?
@@suprith5443 having multiple wives maybe.
@@BigFootTheRealOne so people want rudeus to be milis follower😂😂. Also isn't that same in demon slayer s2
I often forget how young the average anime watcher is but things like this remind me of this fact.
A good portion of the anime community are either under aged or young adults still in school who clearly don't have the maturity to watch a show like MT. These people who can't tell fiction from reality simply shouldn't be watching adult shows like MT.
Maturity does not equal defending little girls having section in your Japanese cartoons dude. If you think that means you are mature I really hope you realize what you are defending and think about it for a bit.
These are exactly the kind of people who rooted for Walt in the end of Breaking Bad
The author really does a good job at writing these characters believable and I think this is why many people say the things they do about MT. You can disregard the incest themes in Oreimo or the creepy shit happening in To Love-ru, because those characters are not meant to be real, they are caricatures of real people. But the characters in MT are meant to be real.
The moment I noticed that was when the situation with Paul arose in the family crisis ep. Heck, he was portrayed as the perfect cool dude and father. He cared for his family, was laid-back but capable and loved his wife more than anything else. And then this episode drops and your view of this character just gets torn to pieces. The situation is not played out for comedy, it's not a laughing matter or "welp, guess that happened" plot. The realization that Paul is not this idealistic perfect father figure just hits you like a train. He is still someone who has all the traits I listed above, but he is also an inexcusable piece of shit. And there you realize that Paul's character writing is not about creating a likeable dude for the viewers to relate to. It is simply writing a flawed character that also feels real.
And Rudeus is basically the same in that regard, just with more nuances and deeper flaws as he is the main character and has therefore more time to develop. Personally, I do criticise MT and the author for some unnecessary parts in Rudeus' character writing. But those parts are not the same which are part of the controversy. Rudy getting very close to Silphy from an early age is creepy, yes, but it is MEANT to be creepy. However, later the relationship they establish becomes an important part of her characterization. The things that bug me about Rudy's character writing are the minor details and his baseline horniness that gets shoved into your face at every possible moment. And this will not get that much better in S2 and S3, quite the contrary it get's worse. Without spoiling anything, I really get hung up when moments that are meant to be dramatic get watered down by his character writing. Like there is a female character getting introduced for the first time in a tense moment, is it really necessary that Rudeus's first thought is to compare her bust size to those of Eris and Silphy? Or when he is sitting on a horse behind a female character in another arc meant to be tense, it is necessary to have Rudy randomly grope and massage her boobs from behind? You could get rid of those lines without subtracting anything from the story and his character. We know that he is a horny creep, it's been 16 volumes, I don't need him to grope this girl's boobs every other scene. It kinda waters down scenes with genuine affection. A scene where he and his partner have a nice intimate moment that should feel special feels like nothing because he randomly gropes her ass/boobs at every possible moment even in public. So why should I care now that he does it in private?
THAT is the part that really should be criticized. And I pray to God (Roxy) that the Anime will improve on those moments in order to make the important intimate moments as special as they should be. The sex scene between Rudy and Eris at the end of S1 was absolutely perfect and probably one of the most tastefully done sex scenes I have ever seen in any visual medium period. It had an impact BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIAL.
That's are fair point. The only problem is the lines between characterization and "fanservice" (seriously who is this for?) Get blurred. Of course this shouldn't be on the shoulders of the fans.
You make some really great points. And while I do agree some horny lines and actions later on are kinda unnecessary, I would still rather keep some in like when he gropes his wives during an emotional intimate moment, I feel like it just keeps it real even in tense situations a human's primary instinct leans toward the sexual aspects. Eliminating it entirely wouldn't be too much of a problem either I just did notice that in this latest official volume and wanted to point it out.
I think it's fine to like the show as a redemption story. What I don't like is how many people that like the show seem to be okay with him sleeping with Eris. He's a grown man in a child's body, so it's his responsibility to say no. Her coming onto him is irrelevant because she isn't fully aware of what she's consenting to. Not only is she underage, but from her perspective, she thinks she's coming onto someone who is only slightly younger and still relatively close to her age. She isn't privy to what the audience knows about him reincarnating and mentally being more than twice her age. The show containing this event is fine because the behavior isn't being glorified, but it was very clearly a reprehensible decision on Rudy's part and anyone watching the show that doesn't see how wrong it is for him to have slept with Eris needs to re-evaluate their understanding of the story.
Ppl just used to watch Marvel/DC (superhero theme show) when the MC is PERFECT morally/physically AND everything is worked for MC in the end
Some people just can't differentiate fiction from reality and that's all it boils down to.
They would never help actual kids. So they attack a work of fiction to distract themselves from their own worthless lives, and pretend they are some kind of hero.
People are viewing Mushoku Tensei as a redemption story when it isn't. The themes of the show were outlined back in season 1 with the bastard plot where his father was cheating with the maid. Rudeus found this morally reprehensible, yet nonetheless respected his ability to do so because we all secretly wish we had enough charisma to get away with it. The thing about ambition is that it's inherently selfish: a "better" life doesn't necessarily mean a moral one. This isn't a redemption story that encourages people to better themselves, it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy about the cost of talent, ambition, and success.
It's definitely a redemption story. Have you read the novel?
@@roarrrist No I haven’t. I’m not much of a reader so I probably never will. This is just how I interpreted it based on the first 2 seasons. I just wanted to point out that people shouldn’t look to fiction for moral guidance, but for what it is: a story.
@@dramaddict4993 But it is a redemption story. There are 24-25 volumes overall, not sure how you can make conclusions off of 2 seasons of an anime.
But IT is a redemption story tho his motivation on the story is to become a different person because of what he did in his past life
@@smugofbishamonten1447 he probably doesn't know how "redemption" is used lol
The best take honestly.
5:58 I don't like Bakugo and I support bullying, so Gigguk is right on that one.
I was triggered by the first episodes that caused me to fully drop the anime. Then most of my friends watched it, and I honestly freaked out in those months I refused to hang out with them, because how can they enjoy an anime where a cheating dad is let free without consequence? Where a prince can just squeeze oppai AND not get any punishment? The thing with mushoku tensei is, you don't know how watchers would react to it: would they be able to create a line between reality and just fiction/anime, leaving the pedophilia and misogyny behind the screen, or would they not?
I don't think that assumption is as fair as you believe it is. While yes, it MIGHT shed some light on what some people will possibly accept sometimes, there's also *Decades'* worth of arguments that have failed to prove it in the whole "videogames/movies cause violence" thing.
There might be red flags in other areas of their life that you might have noticed, but for example, have you even bothered to listen to WHY your friends like this story? Could it be that they like the adventure/action/worldbuilding/character interactions/plot/animation etc? Or does it absolutely have to be that they like it because of the criminal acts portrayed in the show?
Anyways I don't blame you for being careful: you never know who people truly are or, alternatively, when they will change for the worse.
People don’t understand the reason why the character was written like that so he can change and actually have some character development the same people complaining will complain about every isekai being the same and do over played
Can still like the show without forgiving rudeus for being a pedophile
Nope. Rudy alone being a Pèdophile and committing rape taints the entire series.
@@Dream-Eternal87 He grows to be a person better than previously, he isn't a pedo anymore he actually changes into a better person unlike pedos in real life
@@Dream-Eternal87He never rapes anyone.
It just comes crumbling down when he actually never stops and marries both of the girls he's been grooming for years (One he technically might not have groomed? The green haired girl I don't remember her name). When I was reading the web series I loved the monster continent arc, and most of what came after, but in the erectyle disfunction arc where he marries both girls, I had to drop it.
In the arc you are talking about he doesn't marry Eris, he marries Sylphie, who he can't have groomed, cuz he was with Eris. The other person he marries is Roxy, who is older that Rudy, not only bodily but emotionally as well, and kind of comes in the arc after when he has to save his mother. You have a point that some of his actions are similar to earlier in the novels, but are much more toned down, and are not directed towards children. It's arguably shown that he has learnt from his actions in the past at least a little due to his toned down perverseness, and he's definitely been burnt by his actions, due to his erectile dysfunction.
What really changed my mind on Rudy is his emotional immaturity. I think its easy to see Rudy's inner thoughts and say that this is a thirty year old, but the actions he takes and mistakes he makes show that he really has a lot of growing up to do despite his age, and this is portrayed throughout the books relatively well.
The only person he has the chance of grooming is Eris, and almost immediately backfires on him with Eris leaving him in an emotionally vulnerable state that he takes a while to recover from.
If you're saying he hasn't stopped being perverted, then I can agree to an extent, as he does far less of it, and mainly to see if it will fix his ED. He also doesn't marry anyone that he's groomed, unless you believe that him teaching magic to Sylphie counts as grooming.
@@Robsta12344 Sylphie is definitely a gray zone, I was misremembering that he married Eris alongside Sylph and he didn't meet her until he was around... 16. Roxy is kinda unknowingly grooming Rudy so there's that.
He still remains horny throughout the LN, but he doesn't see women as objects or treats them badly. It's the absolute opposite. He puts his life on the Line and is willing to go to extreme Lenghts and through massive suffering to protect the people he loves. He respects them, he adores them, he tries to learn with every mistake and faces consequences for his actions. He really grows massively as a person and that is what makes him fairly unique in the whole Isekai Genre. Most other Protagonists just stay the same. They're thrown into a different world with their ideals and ideas set and never grow or change.
From vol 13 he will really becomes likable even to those who hated him
tbh rudy is creepy af but that what make the show good, I hate when MC need always to be morally good and has not bad takes. this is more realistic