This second core really needed a few more episodes, specialy after the big event at the end of the labyrinth. Rudi's mourning was way harder and all consuming in the novel, and the sex was not what helped him, it was the company and consel that Roxy ofered. The reunion was more or less the same but I think this is where they needed a stronger direction like they had in season I as to convey how tense and dificult the whole thing was for everybody. Sylphy accepting Roxy was a huge deal becouse she had the chance to say him "fuck off" and instead chose to keep the family together. It also had a far stronger cultural element becouse Norn, as a milis' follower has moral and religious ideas closer to us, while the rest of the family are non-believers in no small amount becouse they are all the poeple that would be outcasts in the millis religion (a second wife, a bastard doughter, a green haired half elf with family ties to a very sexualy active woman, and a magician with strong relationships with the demon people), they are kind of the type of people that would be willing to recive somebody like Roxy with the least amount of pushback, while Norn definively would despise the idea. Anyway, I liked the second season, Mushoku tensei is still one of my favorite anime of all time, but second season definivitely wasn't as good as the first one and made me miss the novels more than the first one did.
@@yhwach1 This is something I hadn't thought to revisit. While I think most of the ED arc was good, I'm now reminded of the fact that everything prior to the red dragon incident was added on later to the web novel (I think after it finished but I don't recall exactly). Mmm hard to say what is more worthwhile, what we gained with that section or what was lost in this one. The story works fine without it but it does help reassert Rudy's terrible coping skills. Which doesn't matter much if those times aren't given sufficient space to play out... Oof very tough call. Ultimately though I think it's important to remember we were always going to lose some stuff, MT is way too narrative dense to be adapted whole sale. The pacing problems of this season definitely sting (and the lack of explanation of battle aura), but overall I'm still pleased with how things are going. This was just an unfortunately awkward end.
@@yhwach1 To be fair, I fucking loved the ED Arc. There was something very wholesome and satisfying in Rudy finding absolute bros in so many guys around him, wherever he went, who sided with him, no matter the ridicule he got from women. (Tho that one prostitute that tried her best to help Rudeus as well was a fucking bro as well) Even Luke, who didn't like him at first, immediately turned around when he found out what his problem was, told Ariel to shut it, and was like "Oh, you hurting for real, for real, bro? Damn, my bad, you chill".
@@abura2980 Roxy lied? I think you need to read the LN again because... Skipped content below: Elinalise was the one who tricked Rudeus into thinking roxy was pregnant which is why he doubled down on marrying her, Roxy said she was not after the first conversation with sylphy in the anime after Rudeus brought it up
I feel like Norn is the “straight man” in the show. She’s what happens if you put a regular, well-adjusted person into this universe to see their reaction. She sees their insane nonsense and is just like, “actually wtf guys????”
Because milis is the closest to modern world morals. They even have some sort of cancel culture as well. Only difference is, they can enact said cancelling, as if we're back to the crusades era
@@steveqi9309 well theres zenith, shes a follower of the millis religion so norn couldve been taught a few things about things about religion so she wouldnt end up like paul(horny bastard) and norn also met her grandmother when they went to millishion after the teleportation incident, so yeah thats why she seems pretty normal
Based Gigguk take. I love Mushoku Tensei. It's my favorite LN of all time... but you aren't allowed to levy any criticism against it without people MALDING HARD. It pisses me off.
To be fair, 99% of the criticism I see aimed at MT is some variant of "Rudeus is a p3d0", and it quickly got tiring. Fair criticism is a different story.
@MinscS2 He is though? He literally ja cks off while peeping at his neice... And skips out on his og parents funeral to watch c p.... like wut? How is that *not* a pe do
@@Courtannica The niece thing isn't in the anime (and 99% of animewatchers haven't read the LN), and skipping the funeral because he watches p0rn does make him an absolute a-hole, but ...how does that make him a p3d0 exactly?
@@Courtannica And the LN agrees that is bad, so hes not doing that anymore as Rudeus. The show is all about a doing ur best with a second chance. Hes still pervy, but he hasnt actually done anything wrong unlike his old life.
Norn spitting facts is the beat about the final episode of the season, while Sylphy's speech to Roxy was good and convincing, everything Norn said still stands true.
Well, not everything. Her statement that the path was easy for Rudeus is erroneous. Other than that, I agree with Norn, and while I don't blame Rudeus, it's far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better. But if I were Norn, I would say the same thing
It's true if you have the same religious belief as her, dont force it onto everyone, especially your loved ones, the ones who sheltered you. Beside, saying all that shit in front of Aisha is the right thing to do huh?
Love how you people judge whether a character is true or not based on your modern moral standards. Rudy did nothing wrong and Norn's yapping is uneccesary because their world works that way
@@khanhduytruong7137 Rudy absolutely did wrong. And I don't say that from some pious place or external standard; within the story itself there is plain acknowledgement that he did wrong. The severity of wrongdoing and the situation that led to it is what's up for discussion, not whether or not it took place. Denying it is every bit as naive and thickheaded as those tossing the series over it.
Yep. Like, I REALLY liked a lot of MT when I read it, but god do I feel like the three wives storyline/Rudy as a person sort of… felt like the author just couldn’t be bothered? It’s like rather than having to think of how to have this situation dealt with more organically, he went “meh, they’re all just cool with it.” Also Rudy as a person just sort of felt lazy to me after a while(his character development) because it felt like Rudy never ACTUALLY grew in some aspects and faced the fucked up shit, he just learned how to interact with others without being a creep. Like, the entire lusting after his own sister thing he did at one point. (It’s been awhile but IIRC they were in the bath or something and he basically had the thought process song the lines of, ‘yeah I’d be down’)
@@nfrance999Yeah I agree. While I do understand the argument that in the context of this world full of mortal danger and adventure, polygamy and a younger marriage age does kind of make sense, it still feels a little more like the author just wanted a reason for all 3 of his heroines to “win” (especially in the anime where some important character moments get cut). The Greyrat reputation in the story also at times feels like an excuse for Rudy to denounce the monogamous teachings of Millis and embrace these relationships that in the modern real-world context he grew up in would be highly problematic. This really only serves to inhibit his growth into a better person in service of, well fanservice. I don’t really think MT is a redemption story, but one of learning to capitalize on second chances and live a fulfilling life. He does slowly grow and change in many meaningful aspects, but it’s starting to feel like some of his flaws, particularly around his treatment of women, are so integral to his characterization that they will never *fully* go away. He will just learn to live with them and find people who accept him in spite of those flaws like Paul did, which would really only be possible within the established rules of this fantasy world. I still love this show for so many reasons, and will continue to watch and see how Rudy grows into his new adulthood, but I feel like this is a fair critique, and I hope to see it addressed in more depth later in the anime.
@@nfrance999 ..... When did he lust over his sister tho? Maybe it was an off handed remark like, damn my sister is hot. But I dont think he ever had sexual urges abt them. Same went for Zenith, he ogled her booba, but have little to no actual sexual urges abt them. And I agree, he never rlly grew out of being a perv, but honestly, why should he? I dont see a problem in someone being sexually active or is freaky w his wife, I only consider it a problem if he is a menace to others. Thats the growth I saw in him, he stopped looking at ppl like NPCs and realized that they r actually ppl, so he treated them like such. I feel like the main reason why u think the author couldnt be bothered w Rudeus as a character, is because u just cant see eye to eye w that personality trait. So no matter what, to u he will still be less of a person until he fixes the trait that u dont like. My main grip w this is that, this is completely trivializing the other aspects where he did change. And chalking it up all to him "being the same person".
its really the lack of time and consequences that hurt the last few episodes. characters being flawed and making mistakes is nothing new in mushoku tensei but it was resolved do fast. especially when compared to the time they took in s2 for just one of rudy's problems. hopefully next season gives it a bit more attention because these events should of had more focus.
Honestly i think there was plenty consequences in the end if the season his dad died his mother was in a really bad state he now needs to be the man if the house and take care of everyone and regards to the roxy thing i actually thought it wasn't out of left field it was set up to very likely happen for a while and it seems at least abit consistent with slphies character And lets be real the entire virgin loser to giga chad with multiple wifes is an interesting element to the story however basic people want to call it
@@AlphaAbyss_ I mean consequences of his actions in relation to his and slyphie's relationship as well as his family. His dad dying and his mom's condition were due outside influences, however rudy and roxy's actions are both their own. It wouldn't be right to call those consequence as they happened prior to his actions. They would be the cause of his low point that led to it. So yes, a lot bad stuff happened by the end to rudy but the consequence of his cheating felt lacking. Especially when the show tends to takes its time on topics like these but it resolved pretty fast. Now season 3 could focus more on it as there just wasnt much time left. Im still hopeful. I agree that it wasn't out of left field, I just wish there was more time spent on it.
@@rockinrom1524 for me I kinda liked it again I treat this world differently because of course in the weather especially that isn't ok behaviour but you need to understand the customs of that world are different it was even stated at the end of the season that it's ok however I suppose Paul certainly got treated differently but sylphies character does just seem more accepting I think there will be not consequences but maybe drama that stems from this I haven't read much further than season 2 in the light novel so I wouldn't really know
@@AlphaAbyss_ I get the culture is different but im viewing it as promise between the two. I was fully expecting rudy to have multiple wives but I was thought there would be a bigger discussion as he still broke their promise. Not saying they should be divorced but i was interested in how they would navigate that. Slyphie was expecting it and is generally more accepting which is fair. However, it feel like there should be more since we spent half of season 2 creating the relationship in the first place. Rudy comprises it but only gets a fraction of time on resolving it. Like eris's actions created problems that took the first half of season 2 to resolve. now rudy did something i think most would say was worse and it gets 2 episodes. Now it could be that this is how it is in their world and we move on from it. Rudy might get treated similarly to how his dad was when he cheated. It'll still feeling lacking to me but ill keep watching just show. personally, i just wish more time was spent on it.
It so refreshing to see someone give a take on Mushoku Tensei that doesn’t boil down to “You’re not 100% onboard with Roxy taking advantage of a vulnerable person and Rudy cheating with basically zero repercussion? Lmao get filtered.” I still love the show but they could have handled all of this better.
Light Novel breaks it down and explains it much better. I highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online and reading the end, since it'll make things make a lot more sense and it's a generally great book
@@frostyblade8842 I have read the light novel before before when season 1 was still airing and let me tell you it does not justify Roxy or Rudeus actions, rudy would have eventful got back on his feet after thinking his feelings through and remembering he has a baby coming it might have taken him longer to realise all that but he i believed in him . And Roxy could have stopped him and just cuddled all night and that would have been enough for the time being but nah she her self says she took advantage because she thought that was her only chance ever in her life to fuck he "perfect type"
Finally someone who makes sense. Bro I have been getting so much hate online for this take. The people are defending cheating like its normal. Thanks you for matching my thoughts
It seems to me that even people that tead the books kinda forgot the main point of Roxy's involvement with him. After the deed, during the pillow talk, rudy basically spills the reason for his twisting psyche, connected to his past life to her in a form of "what if", and she kinda gives him salvation in that regard. This (along with Elinalise throwing in " What if she preggo? Take accountability") is the reason he is so hellbent on taking Roxy with him, even though he promised loyalty to Sylphie. Anime completely thrown all that (and more) out, which spoiled last two episodes for me a lot.
Yea, I'm an anime only but hearing those might make the last 2 episodes way easier to swallow than it actually did. That last 2 ep definitely brought down this season to me by alot
You can be all for the polygamy route and still recognize that Rudeus cheated on Sylphie, even if she was expecting it, after promising that he wouldn't. If Sylphie has expressly given him permission to sleep and love other women beforehand, and if he didn't promise that he wouldn't do it, then it wouldn't have been an issue.
exactly, novel readers keep trying to defend the situation but he is undoubtedly wrong here. just because its okay later on doesn’t mean it was okay here. i see people say norn was in the wrong or was being too harsh but no, she was acting very appropriately because rudy and roxy were extremely selfish towards rudys PREGNANT wife. even if his dad just died, that doesn’t stop the fact that he hurt her (even if she forgives him, which is totally fair from her).
Sylphy actually gave him permission. That's why she forgave him, and even forgave Roxy, because... knows that she is not a bad person, who spent 6 years of her life searching for Rudeus' family. But the problem is Rudeus's promise, because... At that point in time before meeting Roxy, he planned to be loyal to Sylphy. Rudeus made a mistake, but it was this mistake that made him realize that he was no better than Paul. This caused him to recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time in 17 years of his life. As for LN, it doesn’t justify Rudeus, but it does give context. It is far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better in his place. But this still does not justify him; in fact, it was Rudy who reduced himself to a vegetable
@@chelronin7843Personally, I understand all sides, Norn, Rudy, and Roxy. I do not agree with one of her statements that the path was easy for Rudeus. Other than that, I agree with Norn, and while I don't blame Rudeus, it's far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better. But if I were Norn, I would say the same thing
Norn is one of, if not the best character in this story. You can probably write essays abt every stage of her life, her growth as a person, n how admirable she is when facing life head on. I hope she gets more love as the anime goes on.
Norm is literally a follower, its brilliant how she acted because it fits her character. I just have to remember that this kind of stuff is real in our world too. Though Roxy idk was very forced.
Norn yes is the best character IMO my favourite. Such a underrated character. A normal girl surrounded by geniuses. She has her opinions, her beliefs. She has her moral code. And she is a brilliant character
My problem is just Sylphie saying yes with 0 pushback at all. Yes there are story reasons for it, but the affect is that she just feels like the perfect object for Rudy with no character traits. So far she has not done anything to push Rudy’s character and has no flaws outside of being “too perfect”
@@cybersoul2809 She has literally every reason in the world to push back on her husband leaving her pregnant and coming back with a new wife. Yes her culture allows multiple wives but right now and the first time he leaves her alone?
@@nerdcorner2680 You're saying this as if he just took a trip to buy some shit at a grocery store and came back with a complete stranger then declared she is now his second wife and that she should deal with it and not that he just went on a harsh four to six months long journey to save his parents and was genuinely considering not going for her sake. She has no reason to push back, it's not just that society allows it. She grew up around Rudeus's household and saw a functioning family with two wives. She was the pupil of Lilia the homewrecker, she was close friends with Aisha the affair child. She has no problems with second wives and was expecting Rudeus to get one even before they got together. Hell, at first she thought Rudeus and Lise were in a relationship and was wondering how she could fit in there too. "Oh but Rudy promised he wouldn't get another wife!!1!1!111!" Yeah, it's a terrible thing he broke his promise and we can judge him for that, but Sylphie never agreed to it, never expected him to keep it and didn't even understand why he was making it in the first place when nobody cares about that stuff
@@nerdcorner2680 Sylphie isn't a doormat, she has standards, she let Roxy in because: She is Rudeus's mentor, someone who he is always praising, she saved his life and she can tell Roxy really loves him. If Rudeus went out and banged some random prostitute, she would divorce his ass on the spot, that's actual cheating for her. This isn't a joke, if he does that, she's gone no questions asked
I love how Millis is just the catholic church and this is the clasic Millis believer reaction like in the light novel cliff said something in the lines of Your actions will have consequences too lol
Light Novel breaks it down and explains it much better. I highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online and reading the end, since it'll make things make a lot more sense and it's a generally great book. Aninews also made a great video breaking down all that happens, since the anime kinda butchers this section due to time constraints
But still what he did and how Roxy was accepted has no repercussions. In ln, it has more context but I still don't like that development because it is cheating. And he should have consequences.
Regarding betrayal, this is an important scene for the story. Rudeus had to make a mistake. If the author wanted, he would simply add polygamy, without adultery. But the idea behind the Labyrinth arc is different. This arc is about how you treat your parents. It was the betrayal that made Rudeus realize that he was no better than his father, but for this reason he finally recognized Paul as his father, for the first time in 17 years of his life. He also recognizes himself, Rudeus Greyrat, as part of this world in which he lives in the last episodes, or in the chapter "before the grave". This moment is a must in this story. For many, 15 volumes is the peak, but it wouldn't have the weight without 12 volumes, the Labyrinth arc where Rudeus gets his motivation and personality for the future storyline.
This doesn't make any sense considering his betrayal of his vow to Sylphie came after his massive depression due to reconciling his current parents fortunes with his previous life's parents' deaths. You guys keep mixing up the plot in order to justify the poor writing this season. He recognized Paul as his father before he cheated. That's why he was depressed lol The cheating was apparently just icing on the cake for you idiots lmao
@@Petard01 you need to look carefully and not call others idiots Only in the scene in front of the grave did he recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time in 17 years of his life. Before that, he called him Paul, that is, by name
love the little detail like in the ln he said "this body is very quick to learning things- no, that sounds like im a stranger to this body. I am very quick to learing things"
Like a comment said, the quick addressing to this was probably becouse they don't have the time with the season.. It would suck for them to wait a season with anything of this season
Next season (if properly made) will be the peak of the show, turning point 4, the new equipament, and the rematch that will happen will be insane. The first 6/7 episodes will be boring, but after that the peak comes
Ever since Sylphie thought about Rudeus still chasing other women regardless of if they were together and when she told Rudy that if she cant get pregnant he could have another it kind of made me expect it. The Eris misunderstanding lingering kind of made me think that Rudeus will end up with her aswell i dont see Eris training for a long time just to get rejected
I love the anime. I do. But they gutted the fleshing out. Needed to be like a 28-30 episode season. 14-15 each season. Those extra episodes were kinda so necessary. The quality dipped so hard so fast. Not that i expect season 1 quality. Just that it dipped way way way too much. There are some things the anime watchers will never truly understand now without retroactive adjustments and story telling. And its a damn shame.
if anyone is interested in hearing as to why they made it so norn immediately started getting along with roxy: (spoilers, kind of?) in the LN, norn does not get along well with roxy for a while. But there is a chapter where they all go fishing together and rudeus basically sets them up to talk to each other more, roxy ends up teaching norn a lot and norn starts to appreciate her slowly. She obviously knows roxy is not a bad person and wants to accept her, but she just feels like it's not right to do so. The way they tied it up in the anime is by sylphie bringing up that lilia was a 2nd wife as well, and the reason why they immediately cut to norn getting along with roxy is (what I assume) probably because they are going to skip the fishing part. Next season has a lot more "important" content in it, they probably will keep the slice of life episodes to a minimum.
The show being a long term investment is right, really the whole thing is just like any other story. Once you've read through or at least done some research on what happens next, you'll really get to understand the pace of the show and how the characters are being developed. I know some people might not want to go ahead and find out what happens by reading an actual web novel but if you do it's worth it (it's also free), and if you don't then just hear us when we say it will all make sense once everything in this amazing story is continued onward, so stick with it. (I assure you turning point 4 is one of the biggest, and best info dumps ever)
I more mad about they show how rudy handle the situation than what actually happen. I know it was cut content, but it make it weirder and weirder. I swear they not make the roxy rout right, i not even mad when i read it in ln. Hope they dont mess up next season cause that was the best arc, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😢
People are debating about why this lack of quality happened. Its pretty simple. The intro songs that they used to establish settings and character montages to show the passage of time in the first season were replaced by a canned 90 second theme song which foreshadows/spoils the upcoming events of the season. People dont realize how much of an impact this is having. There are only a couple episodes without the intro songs. Lets assume its 4. 90*21=1890 1890/60= 31.5 The average episode is only 24 minutes long. Simply dumping the song or redoing what they did the previous season would effectively add enough time for another episode plus 7 and a half minutes of content. This would allow for better character establishment. Better tone setting. It would allow for things to breath and not feel rushed... assuming it wasn't cut for time anyway.
Doesn't even account for the EDs as well (not the kind Rudy had lol). Season 1 was brilliant and very unique in how it handled their intros and it's a shame they departed for that. That was some of the best managed use of intros I've seen in anime. White Fox with Re:Zero S2 skipping the OP and EDs to extend their runtime to the max was also great for content, but makes the actual OP and ED forgettable. I'll still take that over the traditional structure.
Norn is a great character but be at his side is funny when the series show us that she is hypocrite cause his dad made the same thing Rudeus did but she did´nt get mad about him. Basically, it has not point
EXACTLY where was all this energy for Paul? & it’s not like Rudeus pulled some random woman off the street saying that he loves her. Roxy is pivotal to his life and growth as a human being!
@@impactovernumbers5157Um she was literally a fucking baby when Paul cheated and she literally grew up in that two mom scenario. Now as an older person with her own views and opinions she is confronting Rudy for his selfish actions. Y'all have the lamest excuses for the shit writing at the end of the season
@@Petard01 so you acknowledge that she grew up around polygamy and it’s not a foreign concept to her. She’s an emotional person so I understand her reaction but at the same time it’s not her relationship to comment on. She has no idea about the history between Rudy and Roxy. Roxy literally was the first person to help Rudy get over some of his trauma so their bond is very deep and after she helped him grieve Paul’s death their bond grew even deeper. Her argument is one of a moral standpoint but her opinion doesn’t matter. The only opinion that matters is Sylphie’s. Luckily for Rudy Sylphie actually sees him for who he is and that’s why she understands that him wanting to marry Roxy isn’t just because he wants another woman to sleep with it. He genuinely loves two women at the same time. Is it bad writing or does polygamy go against your world view? Either way it doesn’t matter as along as Rudy can make both of his wives happy.
@@impactovernumbers5157 i don't have a problem with polyamory, I take issue with the poor writing. Characters acting in ways that they normally wouldn't to expedite the harem the author wanted plus no consequences for their selfish decisions.
@@Petard01 who didn’t act the way that they normally would? Rudy and Roxy have had feelings for each other. Roxy felt like sex was a way to get his mind out of a constant state of depression for even a moment and she admitted she also just wanted to be with him so she took advantage of that. Norn reacted as expected and Sylphie was the caring understanding girl who puts Rudy’s happiness before her own. Everybody acted within character. I see a lot of the “no consequences” critique which I disagree with. Norn gave an outside perspective of the situation and didn’t spare the feelings of Rudy or Roxy and Rudy had to get on his hands and knees and apologize to his pregnant wife for being unfaithful. Sylphie had every right to leave him and it seems like that’s what you guys wanted. Or you wanted her to punish him and keep him in the dog house for a while but she knows the man she married. He’s still the same girl crazy Rudy she’s known since they were kids. She holds him in high regard but she’s also a realist and you’re just mad that she sees Rudy for who he is. This very much in line with her character.
ngl I really liked the show and the impact the 10th episode had was insane. The last two episodes actually just completely ruined it for me though. I see some people saying how it was handled better in the manga but also after finding out at least somewhat what happens in the future. I think im good on this show now.
in the manga it would not have been better, because the manga did not reach these events, the anime is made according to LN And so it is the last 2 episodes and especially the scene in front of the grave that are the most important in MT. Rudeus' mistake made him realize that he was no better than Paul. But this is what made him recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time after 17 years of his life. Previously, Rudeus did not perceive himself as part of the MT world, but now he has an identity and purpose, which is important for the event of season 3. For many, volume 15 is the peak, but without volume 12 (the Labyrinth arc), it will have no weight. The Season 2 finale is much more important than the Season 1 finale.
@@zLeSshuhnwell if they skip alot of the content like they did in the last 2 episodes to fit into the schedule then it wouldn't be, so let's hope they don't do that next season. We already had a precedent
You'll be back next season once the buzz spreads. LN 14-15 are the most famous of any light novel in Japan. There are AMV's on UA-cam that have close the 3 million views without an anime adaptation.
His words arent supposed to be trusted thats the thing what makes it hard is that he has helped Rudeus told him truths so when the mangod bullshits for the sake of his own objectives its much harder to figure out
Remember when Rudeus was wondering if the mangod actually pushed him to go by telling him to marry Linia or Pursena? Its like he knew Rudeus would disobey his words
People are often forgetting that this show and story is about people who are extremely flawed but still being deserving of love and acceptance. Yes, what Roxy did was wrong, and I would fault Rudy as well for his impulse control during that time... but it's clear that Sylphy, Rudy, and Roxy are ready to accept and love the flawed people that they're with and I genuinely think that's beautiful. Roxy taking accountability in her own way is a good step by her, kinda wished Rudy would also step up and take some accountability too but we know well that Sylphy won't force him to do that. All-in-all this is just a reiteration of MT's main message and moral lesson: even scumbags deserve love.
Also the anime did not go into just how many time skips there were between certain scenes. Roxy only went to "cure" Rudy after WEEKS of suffering and depression and inability to move. They also cut the conversations that led to their decisions, both for Roxy and for Rudy. Even the point between Roxy joining and Lucy being born is literally months apart.
@supersaiyandrgnslayr Exactly, as I mentioned above the anime Butchers Rudys infidelity quite badly, as he does take a lot of accountability in the novels and only gives in due to being too weak to resist and needing to confide in someone. Highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online/watching Aninews's video on the topic since it'll make things make more sense
@@supersaiyandrgnslayr @supersaiyandrgnslayr I wouldn't blame them for cutting as they only had two episodes left and there were no ed or op for those last two so it's not like they weren't scraping the bottom of the barrel for time. It would definitely have benefitted maybe one more episode or an extended episode where they combine episodes 23 and 24 but decisions like that need money because they need to purchase those timeslots so I would not take it against the animators, they did the best with what the studio can afford. And I agree that they should have at least mentioned the timeframe of Rudy's depression after paul died. One cut that I do agree on though is them cutting Elinalise's lie about Roxy being pregnant. I like that direction better because it means they made their decision out of love and not some manufactured obligation for each other.
i mean it's always the most radical who are most vocal. i kinda mostly agree with gigguk, in a sense that i still enjoy mushoku but this whole thing is kinda strange (and honestly feels like author liked introducing "best girls" and afterwards he had no choice other than to (spoiler) make them all wives, which is just bad/lazy writing, wcyd)
It's not lazy writing but essential to the plot. Most of the feelings are conveyed in non-chronological order based on earlier aspects of their relationship. However, Mushoku Tensei literally would not work without her marrying Rudeus.
Rudeus and Roxy are really shitty for doing what they did. But I can also understand why they did what they did and Rudeus sincerely apologized and put everything on the table. On one hand, I get where Norn is coming from, but on the other I can't help but feel a discussion like that should only happen between those directly involved. Tough to say. Overall everything worked out fine and everyone involved is happy and fine with it, except maybe Norn I guess? I feel that it made sense the way things played out, and it was completely in character and even foreshadowed the Sylphie would be fine with Rudeus taking multiple wives. The bad things Rudy did were cheat and lie. These things have been reconciled by the people involved, so I see no reason to get angry about it. Just wish we didn't have to wait years for season 3 now...
It was way done way more tasteless in the anime but in light novels Roxy and Elinalise lied to Rudy about Roxy getting pregnant with him and pressured Rudy that he couldn't leave her be alone in that situation... So yeah while Rudeus still did some awful stuff there, Roxy isn't any better than him
Everyone mad about the implementation of the harem aspect just keep in mind that norn is the only follower of Millis in their family and Millis is the only religion that pushes monogamy. No one else in the group cared about the circumstances that led to Roxy joining the family. Even for human standards, back in the day when polygamy was a normal thing, the methods thru which some people joined in the harem were much worse. I'm not saying what the show does is right or wrong I'm just trying to provide context and maybe people don't just jump on one end of the stick because of preconceived notions of what it means to be loyal within the context of the show. His father did the same, most people do the same as well in there, applying real world cultural values to this show is not a 1:1
I agree with his takes. The end of the season really was rushed, and it was at the expense of Roxy's character. To me, at least, it felt as if the author just wanted to move on and add roxy to the harem as soon as possible. I believe this not to only be an anime mistake, but likely a source material mistake too as I think there could have been much better ways to have added roxy to the harem. Eris gets around 3/4 a season, sylphie gets around half a season, and roxy gets... what? a 6th of a season, one ep being more focused on sylphie anyway? I really loved roxy's established character, she's not only my favorite in the series but one of top anime characters ever, so seeing her just rapidly thrown into the harem the way she was was incredibly disappointing. But thats really the only issue I have. Norn was incredible. She was the moral argument that the issue needed, and seeing her go off on rudeus (likely in part from the anger and sadness she felt from losing her father) felt genuine. I've seen people say shes annoying or it conflicts with her view of her father, but theres a difference between someone she's lived with her whole life and someone she just started warming up to as family. Norn didn't have the same moral compass when paul and lilia became married nor does she have a fraction of the information that the audience has. So overall this show is still a 10/10 top 3 for me, it has flaws, but every show does, and like gigguk said, I think I'm also being harsh on it because it's something I love.
@@leonardo835q yeah that's my thought too. Her character before s2 is my favorite in the whole series, but I feel she would've just been a better character later on if she just wasn't added to the harem at all.
I hope he read the volume 12 of the novel. Cus that eps 23 situation literally got butchered by the anime. The studio literally skipped the most important development in Rudeus character.
Yes she is, but the fact that the show portrays her as "being in the wrong" or at least in an antagonistic way towards Roxy is one of the reasons why this anime is so trash. Rudeus doesn't need to do anything to actually get better, everything just falls on his lap.
Ex actly ^^^^^^^ Its p e d o fan tasy. The u gl y f at lo ser p e d o gets reincarnated and now he's handsome/easily powerful. And he gets 2 (and a 3rd wife he groomed) perpetually child like wives.... until he p a sses.
I think one of the real kicks for me was knowing Sylphie’s character to this point: very straight laced, very loyal, devoted, patient, principled. Which is why it’s hard for me to believe when I hear her say, “sure, you took advantage of my husband at his lowest but I saw tears in your eyes which tells me you’re a good person and I probably would have done the same thing in your shoes. And, please, I never believed my husband would be loyal in the first place.” Like, that says really bad things about the character of Sylphie as well as Roxy but the show seems to want us thinking Sylphie is some kind of saint for allowing all of this. It’s just a hard sell for me.
They changed the storyline for the anime to make Rudeus more likeable. It was *him* not Roxy that came onto her and he pretty much forced himself on her too. The author seems to really have a "thing" for being rou gh/vio lent with vir gin girls :/
Not really ive seen plenty of them none have the depth regarding family as MT Most harems in comparison are extremely surface level nowhere near as grounded but then again i read the LN the anime changed a ton of shit
@@deathitself6985 the story has more depth than the ‘normal isekai harems’ that’s pretty much it. The anime had the potential to be the best isekai if it had just stuck to focusing the story on the things going around like mass teleportation, getting back into the human world..etc but they instead choose to focus on sexual aspects
Far from. I want more harme isekia where the MC sleeps with and has relationships with the girls. The 'norm' is lame ass dense MCs who never do anything with the 7 beatuies throwing themselves at him
i feel like its a must for anyone who likes the series even a little to read the LN, its something everyone needs to read before they die, ive never read a book from start to finish so reading was never my thing, but now i see why people read, there is soo much that you can get from reading that you just cant get with a show
@@Courtannica nah they just know how to differentiate between fiction and reality. I have read your previous comments, everything you have said I bet you can't say that for Game Of Thrones. And if you say so that will prove that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality. Keep coping
@Pathetic-Ali Games of Thrones is gross as well. When p e d o phi Lia is excused and normalized its a problem. It's widespread in Japan and "legal." There's a whole documentary about p e d o mangas/mangakas and how assaults on children have increased tenfold.
When Norn called out Rudy for his bs made me so happy and made me a Norn fan. Best girl. I lost all respect for Slphie when she quickly accepted it. It’s going to be hard watching Roxy play house with them. 🙄
I think the part that the story clearly struggled with is that the only real “victim” of the situation way Sylphie (Norn was more offended by proxy) and she simply isn’t the type of character to be hurt or hold grudges over that sort of thing. Sure the lack of real consequences was convenient, but can you honestly tell me an ending like Sylphie getting mad and leaving him would have been more believable? The most I can see her doing is holding it over his head constantly, which is, as it turns out, exactly what she does going forward in the novels. Remember, dark themes and consequences can be more realistic, but not always. Sometimes things really do just work out, and that’s fine. It’s definitely a lot more forgivable since these kinds of fortunate outcomes are about as rare in Mushoku Tensei as they are in real life.
Coming into S2 part with no knowledge of what comes next, I was disappointed. It still beats majority of the media. I don’t think I have that much of an issue with the execution, but the show the story. The whole Roxy cheating + second wife is… lame. Sure, polygamy was common in several none Christian cultures. However, the show did not establish this as a thing. My bigger issue is that unlike the second part of previous season, there was not much going on besides character drama. One of the big attractions of season 1 was exploring the world and lore. This was largely absent from season 2. The Labyrinth itself was not all that interesting. I was hoping for much more than what we got there. On the positive side, Rodus character growth was decently presented. And characters and their interactions are good. Hopefully season 3 can get back to season 1 part 2 form.
I think that's the reason why the author made norn for. This anime is drama and someone like norn is needed to make this more drama. If its another isekai this harem route maybe have no any drama in it. And everyone gonna just accepted. But again this is drama anime they have to make it drama and not in cliche way rudy have to cheat elinalize have to lie to rudy that roxy might be pregnant. And norn existence just made the drama perfect.
Norn is the most relatable of anyone honestly. Seeing how easily Sylvie accepts it was so annoying to me, like Sylvie is just being "too perfect" of a wife where it feels like she'd not care if Rudy commited genocide or something
As a LN reader, I'm not a Norn hater, she's a great character, but I don't think she's absolutely right. In fact, I can understand all sides. Regarding the situation of betrayal, you need to understand what state Rudeus was in. 1) he lost his father 2) the mother, for whose sake everything happened, turned out to be a vegetable 3) he did not appreciate his parents and did not become close to them, only after the death of his father did he understand how much he needed them. 4) he completely repeated the mistake from his previous life, this is what finally broke him. 5) he is reincarnated from the previous world, repeating the mistake twice, because of which he cannot even share his feelings with others, because... thinks that they won’t understand him. Not because of 1 factor, but because of their combination, he hit rock bottom in his life. I starved myself for several weeks. At the same time, it was he who brought himself to the state of a vegetable, which led to betrayal, due to his weak character, which is a problem both in this and in a past life, but it is far from a fact that most people who criticize Rudeus acted on his better place. As for Roxy, she sincerely wanted to help Rudeus, but did not know how, she, like Rudeus, does not have much experience interacting with people, because... she was an outcast in her village, it was the others in the group who pushed her into this idea. If she hadn't done anything, Rudeus would have died, and even Sylphy admits that in her place she would have done the same thing. Another thing is that, ironically, it is not this that helps Rudeus get out of depression, only to regain composure, but it is Roxy’s answer that one must live for the sake of those who are still alive that will make Rudeus remember his responsibility to Sylphy and find the strength to move on. In fact, despite the fact that Rudeus and Roxy are to blame, they can be understood. I wouldn't judge anyone. Rudeus, unlike Paul, takes responsibility and admits to betrayal, asking for forgiveness on his knees when Paul hid the betrayal for several months. At the same time, even Paul is a good person, he saved Rudy, spent several years to save Zenith, and saved thousands of people from slavery and death, after the Mana Catastrophe, when the nobles did not care about it. Even Paul has a lot to learn, despite a lot of disadvantages. This is what makes Mushoku Tensei good. Here the characters are not perfect, making mistakes, but despite this they can do things that are respectful, like Roxy who spent 6 years of her life for the sake of Paul and Rudy's family, risking her life, it was she who found the location of Zenith As for Norn, I don’t blame her; if I were her, I would do the same. I admit it. I agree with all her arguments, except where she says that the path was easy for Rudeus, and I also don’t think that Norn was right when she didn’t let Sylphy finish and didn’t wait for her decision. Although even here her growth is shown, she was previously selfish and didn't think about others' feelings, but now she sincerely protects Sylphy. I don't agree with Norn's hate when she is called out for her hypocrisy about Paul. She wasn't born yet when Paul cheated. At the same time, you can treat a person well, but condemn specific actions. She condemns Rudy for his actions, but does not hate him, did not run away from home, etc., which also shows her growth as a person.
I hate to be the "read the manga" person... but they changed and omitted way too many important details from the light novels during this arc. Sylphie literally tells Norn to shut up in that scene, and she isn't nice about it like in the anime. Either reading the novels, or watching AnimeNews' cut content videos are the only way you'll see that it had to happen this way.
Unfortunately most people that watch the anime would not do that, so they will just take the episode as what it is and as the cannon event going forward
@@macinator4581 It certainly could be better yes. Though many found it quite good regardless. I’m just pointing out that the source does a better job of explaining these events
This anime and story is so tr ash. In the light novel, *RUDY* comes onto Roxy. Not the other way around. Besides the in cest, pe do phi lia, and other crap in the story. The world building is nice but the author's degeneracy oozes out of every crack in the story. (Really seems to have a "thing" for writing about being "rough/vio lent" with vir gin girls.) Rudy/NEET ja cks off while peeping at his VERY minor neice. And skips out on his og parent's funeral to watch c p.... And people really ignore all this in the story.
Nah some people just enjoy the story overall The world characters power system etc. So many people attack fans of this show standing on a moral high ground assuming every watcher and reader must be wanking their cocks cheering for all the degenerate shit in it.. You can separate quality of writing from morality and in some cases some people could really learn to separate fiction from reality a fictional world from our own.
The world building is freaking avg at best. it's just the other Isekais are SO bad at world building that this seems good compared to those. the world building in this story is just an excuse for Rudy to find all the underage girls then for them to fall in love with him and have multiple wives with hints of "realism" for the edgy 20-30 year olds to think this is a realistic story.
@@deathitself6985 Problem is not being able to separate fiction from reality. problem is this story is being sold to ppl as some kind of self improvement journey(lmao). author and MT fans should just accept its wish fulfillment for 35 year old with disgusting perversions, then I don't think the story would get any hate.
@@iknowwhy2629 Ah yes the good ole "I dont like this story so everyone who watches it for whatever reason is disgusting" grow the fuck up. I do love the outrage the virtue signaling and projection this series brings out of people. Ah yes im sure you know better than people with mental health backgrounds and anyone else with a whole range of opinions on the series you must be correct -.- I dont really give a fuck If you hate The whole fucking series but it says alot how this triggers you people enough to be commenting on multiple episodes and clips some of you know a little too much about a show you attack others moral standards on 😭😭 too funny
@iknowwhy2629 ex actly. Ex actly. He's 35-40 and getting with little kids. And the p e d o s defend this show/story/anime with their lives. Rudy/NEET doesn't need to do anything to actually improve everything just falls into his lap
at least Norn was there, but the cheating arc still sucked, and Norn get temporally angry with him again for the 10th time isn't an appropriate consequence for what happened
This second core really needed a few more episodes, specialy after the big event at the end of the labyrinth. Rudi's mourning was way harder and all consuming in the novel, and the sex was not what helped him, it was the company and consel that Roxy ofered. The reunion was more or less the same but I think this is where they needed a stronger direction like they had in season I as to convey how tense and dificult the whole thing was for everybody. Sylphy accepting Roxy was a huge deal becouse she had the chance to say him "fuck off" and instead chose to keep the family together. It also had a far stronger cultural element becouse Norn, as a milis' follower has moral and religious ideas closer to us, while the rest of the family are non-believers in no small amount becouse they are all the poeple that would be outcasts in the millis religion (a second wife, a bastard doughter, a green haired half elf with family ties to a very sexualy active woman, and a magician with strong relationships with the demon people), they are kind of the type of people that would be willing to recive somebody like Roxy with the least amount of pushback, while Norn definively would despise the idea. Anyway, I liked the second season, Mushoku tensei is still one of my favorite anime of all time, but second season definivitely wasn't as good as the first one and made me miss the novels more than the first one did.
they wasted too many episodes with the damn ED Arc and the After ED Arc.
@@yhwach1 This is something I hadn't thought to revisit. While I think most of the ED arc was good, I'm now reminded of the fact that everything prior to the red dragon incident was added on later to the web novel (I think after it finished but I don't recall exactly). Mmm hard to say what is more worthwhile, what we gained with that section or what was lost in this one. The story works fine without it but it does help reassert Rudy's terrible coping skills. Which doesn't matter much if those times aren't given sufficient space to play out... Oof very tough call.
Ultimately though I think it's important to remember we were always going to lose some stuff, MT is way too narrative dense to be adapted whole sale. The pacing problems of this season definitely sting (and the lack of explanation of battle aura), but overall I'm still pleased with how things are going. This was just an unfortunately awkward end.
@@yhwach1 To be fair, I fucking loved the ED Arc.
There was something very wholesome and satisfying in Rudy finding absolute bros in so many guys around him, wherever he went, who sided with him, no matter the ridicule he got from women. (Tho that one prostitute that tried her best to help Rudeus as well was a fucking bro as well)
Even Luke, who didn't like him at first, immediately turned around when he found out what his problem was, told Ariel to shut it, and was like "Oh, you hurting for real, for real, bro? Damn, my bad, you chill".
Norn going from "bitch who the hell do you think you are" to "sylphie made it, look at the baby bestie do you see it" was peak
The switch up😭
She was having his baby tho... Who would cheat on their baby mama?!
@@RED_XLR Rudeus did also in the novel she wasn't pregnant so Roxy just strsight up lied💀
@@abura2980 Roxy lied? I think you need to read the LN again because...
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Elinalise was the one who tricked Rudeus into thinking roxy was pregnant which is why he doubled down on marrying her, Roxy said she was not after the first conversation with sylphy in the anime after Rudeus brought it up
I feel like Norn is the “straight man” in the show. She’s what happens if you put a regular, well-adjusted person into this universe to see their reaction.
She sees their insane nonsense and is just like, “actually wtf guys????”
She is a hypocrite with a daddy complex. She betrays her moral righteousness just as much as Rudeus later in the story.
Because milis is the closest to modern world morals. They even have some sort of cancel culture as well. Only difference is, they can enact said cancelling, as if we're back to the crusades era
Which is kinda weird because isn’t she a Grayrat? Isn’t degeneracy literally apart of the bloodline? But she seems pretty normal.
@@steveqi9309nah she‘s more on her mom’s side. aisha‘s the one who goes full on greyrat degenerate.
@@steveqi9309 well theres zenith, shes a follower of the millis religion so norn couldve been taught a few things about things about religion so she wouldnt end up like paul(horny bastard) and norn also met her grandmother when they went to millishion after the teleportation incident, so yeah thats why she seems pretty normal
Based Gigguk take. I love Mushoku Tensei. It's my favorite LN of all time... but you aren't allowed to levy any criticism against it without people MALDING HARD. It pisses me off.
To be fair, 99% of the criticism I see aimed at MT is some variant of "Rudeus is a p3d0", and it quickly got tiring. Fair criticism is a different story.
@MinscS2 He is though? He literally ja cks off while peeping at his neice... And skips out on his og parents funeral to watch c p.... like wut? How is that *not* a pe do
@@Courtannica The niece thing isn't in the anime (and 99% of animewatchers haven't read the LN), and skipping the funeral because he watches p0rn does make him an absolute a-hole, but ...how does that make him a p3d0 exactly?
@@Courtannica And the LN agrees that is bad, so hes not doing that anymore as Rudeus. The show is all about a doing ur best with a second chance. Hes still pervy, but he hasnt actually done anything wrong unlike his old life.
@CryptidFlame He has. There's plenty of instances in the light novel. Rudy hasn't changed and he never becomes a "good" person.
Norn spitting facts is the beat about the final episode of the season, while Sylphy's speech to Roxy was good and convincing, everything Norn said still stands true.
Well, not everything. Her statement that the path was easy for Rudeus is erroneous.
Other than that, I agree with Norn, and while I don't blame Rudeus, it's far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better.
But if I were Norn, I would say the same thing
It's true if you have the same religious belief as her, dont force it onto everyone, especially your loved ones, the ones who sheltered you. Beside, saying all that shit in front of Aisha is the right thing to do huh?
Love how you people judge whether a character is true or not based on your modern moral standards. Rudy did nothing wrong and Norn's yapping is uneccesary because their world works that way
@@khanhduytruong7137 Moral sensibilities CAN be subject to societal changes, that much is true. But if nothing else, he broke a promise
@@khanhduytruong7137 Rudy absolutely did wrong. And I don't say that from some pious place or external standard; within the story itself there is plain acknowledgement that he did wrong. The severity of wrongdoing and the situation that led to it is what's up for discussion, not whether or not it took place. Denying it is every bit as naive and thickheaded as those tossing the series over it.
Very fair take. Can’t wait to rehash all of this when Eris inevitably returns!
Yep. Like, I REALLY liked a lot of MT when I read it, but god do I feel like the three wives storyline/Rudy as a person sort of… felt like the author just couldn’t be bothered?
It’s like rather than having to think of how to have this situation dealt with more organically, he went “meh, they’re all just cool with it.”
Also Rudy as a person just sort of felt lazy to me after a while(his character development) because it felt like Rudy never ACTUALLY grew in some aspects and faced the fucked up shit, he just learned how to interact with others without being a creep. Like, the entire lusting after his own sister thing he did at one point. (It’s been awhile but IIRC they were in the bath or something and he basically had the thought process song the lines of, ‘yeah I’d be down’)
@@nfrance999Yeah I agree. While I do understand the argument that in the context of this world full of mortal danger and adventure, polygamy and a younger marriage age does kind of make sense, it still feels a little more like the author just wanted a reason for all 3 of his heroines to “win” (especially in the anime where some important character moments get cut). The Greyrat reputation in the story also at times feels like an excuse for Rudy to denounce the monogamous teachings of Millis and embrace these relationships that in the modern real-world context he grew up in would be highly problematic. This really only serves to inhibit his growth into a better person in service of, well fanservice.
I don’t really think MT is a redemption story, but one of learning to capitalize on second chances and live a fulfilling life. He does slowly grow and change in many meaningful aspects, but it’s starting to feel like some of his flaws, particularly around his treatment of women, are so integral to his characterization that they will never *fully* go away. He will just learn to live with them and find people who accept him in spite of those flaws like Paul did, which would really only be possible within the established rules of this fantasy world.
I still love this show for so many reasons, and will continue to watch and see how Rudy grows into his new adulthood, but I feel like this is a fair critique, and I hope to see it addressed in more depth later in the anime.
@@nfrance999 ..... When did he lust over his sister tho? Maybe it was an off handed remark like, damn my sister is hot. But I dont think he ever had sexual urges abt them. Same went for Zenith, he ogled her booba, but have little to no actual sexual urges abt them.
And I agree, he never rlly grew out of being a perv, but honestly, why should he? I dont see a problem in someone being sexually active or is freaky w his wife, I only consider it a problem if he is a menace to others. Thats the growth I saw in him, he stopped looking at ppl like NPCs and realized that they r actually ppl, so he treated them like such.
I feel like the main reason why u think the author couldnt be bothered w Rudeus as a character, is because u just cant see eye to eye w that personality trait. So no matter what, to u he will still be less of a person until he fixes the trait that u dont like. My main grip w this is that, this is completely trivializing the other aspects where he did change. And chalking it up all to him "being the same person".
Eris one is different. He asks permission before doing anything. Roxy was weird and forced.
@@nfrance999 No shot you actually read the light novel. Either that or you just have poor reading comprehension or read the poorly translated WN.
its really the lack of time and consequences that hurt the last few episodes. characters being flawed and making mistakes is nothing new in mushoku tensei but it was resolved do fast. especially when compared to the time they took in s2 for just one of rudy's problems. hopefully next season gives it a bit more attention because these events should of had more focus.
Honestly i think there was plenty consequences in the end if the season his dad died his mother was in a really bad state he now needs to be the man if the house and take care of everyone and regards to the roxy thing i actually thought it wasn't out of left field it was set up to very likely happen for a while and it seems at least abit consistent with slphies character
And lets be real the entire virgin loser to giga chad with multiple wifes is an interesting element to the story however basic people want to call it
@@AlphaAbyss_ I mean consequences of his actions in relation to his and slyphie's relationship as well as his family. His dad dying and his mom's condition were due outside influences, however rudy and roxy's actions are both their own. It wouldn't be right to call those consequence as they happened prior to his actions. They would be the cause of his low point that led to it. So yes, a lot bad stuff happened by the end to rudy but the consequence of his cheating felt lacking. Especially when the show tends to takes its time on topics like these but it resolved pretty fast. Now season 3 could focus more on it as there just wasnt much time left. Im still hopeful. I agree that it wasn't out of left field, I just wish there was more time spent on it.
@@rockinrom1524 for me I kinda liked it again I treat this world differently because of course in the weather especially that isn't ok behaviour but you need to understand the customs of that world are different it was even stated at the end of the season that it's ok however I suppose Paul certainly got treated differently but sylphies character does just seem more accepting
I think there will be not consequences but maybe drama that stems from this I haven't read much further than season 2 in the light novel so I wouldn't really know
@@AlphaAbyss_ I get the culture is different but im viewing it as promise between the two. I was fully expecting rudy to have multiple wives but I was thought there would be a bigger discussion as he still broke their promise. Not saying they should be divorced but i was interested in how they would navigate that. Slyphie was expecting it and is generally more accepting which is fair. However, it feel like there should be more since we spent half of season 2 creating the relationship in the first place. Rudy comprises it but only gets a fraction of time on resolving it. Like eris's actions created problems that took the first half of season 2 to resolve. now rudy did something i think most would say was worse and it gets 2 episodes.
Now it could be that this is how it is in their world and we move on from it. Rudy might get treated similarly to how his dad was when he cheated. It'll still feeling lacking to me but ill keep watching just show. personally, i just wish more time was spent on it.
It so refreshing to see someone give a take on Mushoku Tensei that doesn’t boil down to “You’re not 100% onboard with Roxy taking advantage of a vulnerable person and Rudy cheating with basically zero repercussion? Lmao get filtered.” I still love the show but they could have handled all of this better.
Light Novel breaks it down and explains it much better. I highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online and reading the end, since it'll make things make a lot more sense and it's a generally great book
@@frostyblade8842 I have read the light novel before before when season 1 was still airing and let me tell you it does not justify Roxy or Rudeus actions, rudy would have eventful got back on his feet after thinking his feelings through and remembering he has a baby coming it might have taken him longer to realise all that but he i believed in him . And Roxy could have stopped him and just cuddled all night and that would have been enough for the time being but nah she her self says she took advantage because she thought that was her only chance ever in her life to fuck he "perfect type"
@@sanji_loverboy529I don't think you actually read the LN if you really mean all that you are saying
Finally someone who makes sense. Bro I have been getting so much hate online for this take. The people are defending cheating like its normal. Thanks you for matching my thoughts
@@nicolaspattini8616 ok lil bro stop defending cheating. We know u are pissed cause of your low brain cell count
It seems to me that even people that tead the books kinda forgot the main point of Roxy's involvement with him.
After the deed, during the pillow talk, rudy basically spills the reason for his twisting psyche, connected to his past life to her in a form of "what if", and she kinda gives him salvation in that regard. This (along with Elinalise throwing in " What if she preggo? Take accountability") is the reason he is so hellbent on taking Roxy with him, even though he promised loyalty to Sylphie.
Anime completely thrown all that (and more) out, which spoiled last two episodes for me a lot.
Yea, I'm an anime only but hearing those might make the last 2 episodes way easier to swallow than it actually did.
That last 2 ep definitely brought down this season to me by alot
@@SimonWoodburyForgetsame
You can be all for the polygamy route and still recognize that Rudeus cheated on Sylphie, even if she was expecting it, after promising that he wouldn't. If Sylphie has expressly given him permission to sleep and love other women beforehand, and if he didn't promise that he wouldn't do it, then it wouldn't have been an issue.
exactly, novel readers keep trying to defend the situation but he is undoubtedly wrong here. just because its okay later on doesn’t mean it was okay here. i see people say norn was in the wrong or was being too harsh but no, she was acting very appropriately because rudy and roxy were extremely selfish towards rudys PREGNANT wife. even if his dad just died, that doesn’t stop the fact that he hurt her (even if she forgives him, which is totally fair from her).
Sylphy actually gave him permission.
That's why she forgave him, and even forgave Roxy, because... knows that she is not a bad person, who spent 6 years of her life searching for Rudeus' family.
But the problem is Rudeus's promise, because... At that point in time before meeting Roxy, he planned to be loyal to Sylphy.
Rudeus made a mistake, but it was this mistake that made him realize that he was no better than Paul. This caused him to recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time in 17 years of his life.
As for LN, it doesn’t justify Rudeus, but it does give context. It is far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better in his place. But this still does not justify him; in fact, it was Rudy who reduced himself to a vegetable
@@chelronin7843Personally, I understand all sides, Norn, Rudy, and Roxy.
I do not agree with one of her statements that the path was easy for Rudeus.
Other than that, I agree with Norn, and while I don't blame Rudeus, it's far from certain that most of those who criticize Rudeus would have done better.
But if I were Norn, I would say the same thing
@@SimonWoodburyForgetbut he promised to not do that. Even though sylphy gives him permission.
@@АлександрТерехов-ж3йbut he promised to not do that. Even though sylphy gives him permission.
Norn is one of, if not the best character in this story. You can probably write essays abt every stage of her life, her growth as a person, n how admirable she is when facing life head on. I hope she gets more love as the anime goes on.
Until author let his disgusting kinks took over and ruined her.
She literally married rujerd lmfao.
Norm is literally a follower, its brilliant how she acted because it fits her character.
I just have to remember that this kind of stuff is real in our world too.
Though Roxy idk was very forced.
A lot of light novel cour 2 is very rush remove a lot of context between roxy and rudy
The real plot of mushoku star in season 3 🎉😂😭
The plot of MT is always been the same. since s1
@@Brianworldwide_7 🤣🤣🤣🤣tourning point 4🎂
@@jcval87 Do you even what MT is about at this point?
Hehehe he doesnt know
@@kinsleymoore349 mushoku tensei is about family 😎🫡
Sadly the anime had to rush and skip things out in order to reach the end of volume 12 in just 24 episodes
Norn yes is the best character IMO my favourite. Such a underrated character.
A normal girl surrounded by geniuses. She has her opinions, her beliefs. She has her moral code. And she is a brilliant character
My problem is just Sylphie saying yes with 0 pushback at all. Yes there are story reasons for it, but the affect is that she just feels like the perfect object for Rudy with no character traits. So far she has not done anything to push Rudy’s character and has no flaws outside of being “too perfect”
But why would she push back on it? She has no reason to
@@cybersoul2809 She has literally every reason in the world to push back on her husband leaving her pregnant and coming back with a new wife. Yes her culture allows multiple wives but right now and the first time he leaves her alone?
@@nerdcorner2680 You're saying this as if he just took a trip to buy some shit at a grocery store and came back with a complete stranger then declared she is now his second wife and that she should deal with it and not that he just went on a harsh four to six months long journey to save his parents and was genuinely considering not going for her sake.
She has no reason to push back, it's not just that society allows it. She grew up around Rudeus's household and saw a functioning family with two wives. She was the pupil of Lilia the homewrecker, she was close friends with Aisha the affair child. She has no problems with second wives and was expecting Rudeus to get one even before they got together.
Hell, at first she thought Rudeus and Lise were in a relationship and was wondering how she could fit in there too. "Oh but Rudy promised he wouldn't get another wife!!1!1!111!" Yeah, it's a terrible thing he broke his promise and we can judge him for that, but Sylphie never agreed to it, never expected him to keep it and didn't even understand why he was making it in the first place when nobody cares about that stuff
@@nerdcorner2680 Sylphie isn't a doormat, she has standards, she let Roxy in because: She is Rudeus's mentor, someone who he is always praising, she saved his life and she can tell Roxy really loves him.
If Rudeus went out and banged some random prostitute, she would divorce his ass on the spot, that's actual cheating for her. This isn't a joke, if he does that, she's gone no questions asked
@@nerdcorner2680I agree dude
I love how Millis is just the catholic church and this is the clasic Millis believer reaction like in the light novel cliff said something in the lines of Your actions will have consequences too lol
The one mistake was the butchered adaptation of episode 23. So much context was removed.
Light Novel breaks it down and explains it much better. I highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online and reading the end, since it'll make things make a lot more sense and it's a generally great book. Aninews also made a great video breaking down all that happens, since the anime kinda butchers this section due to time constraints
But still what he did and how Roxy was accepted has no repercussions. In ln, it has more context but I still don't like that development because it is cheating. And he should have consequences.
yeah norn was giving rudy his rigthful beatdown, but just you wait for her relationship
Regarding betrayal, this is an important scene for the story. Rudeus had to make a mistake. If the author wanted, he would simply add polygamy, without adultery. But the idea behind the Labyrinth arc is different. This arc is about how you treat your parents. It was the betrayal that made Rudeus realize that he was no better than his father, but for this reason he finally recognized Paul as his father, for the first time in 17 years of his life. He also recognizes himself, Rudeus Greyrat, as part of this world in which he lives in the last episodes, or in the chapter "before the grave". This moment is a must in this story. For many, 15 volumes is the peak, but it wouldn't have the weight without 12 volumes, the Labyrinth arc where Rudeus gets his motivation and personality for the future storyline.
This doesn't make any sense considering his betrayal of his vow to Sylphie came after his massive depression due to reconciling his current parents fortunes with his previous life's parents' deaths.
You guys keep mixing up the plot in order to justify the poor writing this season. He recognized Paul as his father before he cheated. That's why he was depressed lol The cheating was apparently just icing on the cake for you idiots lmao
@@Petard01 him recognizing his father happened after/at the end of his depression, this isn't the contradiction you think it is.
@@Petard01 you need to look carefully and not call others idiots Only in the scene in front of the grave did he recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time in 17 years of his life. Before that, he called him Paul, that is, by name
love the little detail like in the ln he said "this body is very quick to learning things- no, that sounds like im a stranger to this body. I am very quick to learing things"
Yeah norn is a truly goated character
And man, aizawa saya fucking killed it
Get that woman more roles
probably going to be long wait for season 3
5:10 wow that couldn't be more true haha.
Like a comment said, the quick addressing to this was probably becouse they don't have the time with the season..
It would suck for them to wait a season with anything of this season
Next season (if properly made) will be the peak of the show, turning point 4, the new equipament, and the rematch that will happen will be insane. The first 6/7 episodes will be boring, but after that the peak comes
Poor Norn must've felt like a crazy person even though she was the only one making any sense in that scene lmao
Ever since Sylphie thought about Rudeus still chasing other women regardless of if they were together and when she told Rudy that if she cant get pregnant he could have another it kind of made me expect it.
The Eris misunderstanding lingering kind of made me think that Rudeus will end up with her aswell i dont see Eris training for a long time just to get rejected
I love the anime. I do. But they gutted the fleshing out. Needed to be like a 28-30 episode season. 14-15 each season. Those extra episodes were kinda so necessary. The quality dipped so hard so fast. Not that i expect season 1 quality. Just that it dipped way way way too much. There are some things the anime watchers will never truly understand now without retroactive adjustments and story telling. And its a damn shame.
if anyone is interested in hearing as to why they made it so norn immediately started getting along with roxy:
(spoilers, kind of?)
in the LN, norn does not get along well with roxy for a while. But there is a chapter where they all go fishing together and rudeus basically sets them up to talk to each other more, roxy ends up teaching norn a lot and norn starts to appreciate her slowly. She obviously knows roxy is not a bad person and wants to accept her, but she just feels like it's not right to do so. The way they tied it up in the anime is by sylphie bringing up that lilia was a 2nd wife as well, and the reason why they immediately cut to norn getting along with roxy is (what I assume) probably because they are going to skip the fishing part. Next season has a lot more "important" content in it, they probably will keep the slice of life episodes to a minimum.
spoil me, please tell me what is going to happen in next few seasons. I can't wait
The show being a long term investment is right, really the whole thing is just like any other story. Once you've read through or at least done some research on what happens next, you'll really get to understand the pace of the show and how the characters are being developed. I know some people might not want to go ahead and find out what happens by reading an actual web novel but if you do it's worth it (it's also free), and if you don't then just hear us when we say it will all make sense once everything in this amazing story is continued onward, so stick with it. (I assure you turning point 4 is one of the biggest, and best info dumps ever)
I think it makes sense that they explain away Norn's frustrations by comparing Rudeus to his father.
For those who know future events… this will be a good one.
based gigguk
Norn is fucking goat
We all know ruijerd is the GOAT
He will taste the goat
@@hmmm..668Aware
DONT FORGET BY BOY PAUL
I more mad about they show how rudy handle the situation than what actually happen. I know it was cut content, but it make it weirder and weirder. I swear they not make the roxy rout right, i not even mad when i read it in ln. Hope they dont mess up next season cause that was the best arc, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😢
they are probably trying to quicken the pacing as the LN is long and they dont want the anime to go for 9-10 seasons
Hope they release an ova of the last 2 episodes from roxy's pov to fix most of the missing content from the novel
People are debating about why this lack of quality happened. Its pretty simple. The intro songs that they used to establish settings and character montages to show the passage of time in the first season were replaced by a canned 90 second theme song which foreshadows/spoils the upcoming events of the season.
People dont realize how much of an impact this is having.
There are only a couple episodes without the intro songs. Lets assume its 4.
90*21=1890
1890/60= 31.5
The average episode is only 24 minutes long. Simply dumping the song or redoing what they did the previous season would effectively add enough time for another episode plus 7 and a half minutes of content. This would allow for better character establishment. Better tone setting. It would allow for things to breath and not feel rushed... assuming it wasn't cut for time anyway.
Doesn't even account for the EDs as well (not the kind Rudy had lol). Season 1 was brilliant and very unique in how it handled their intros and it's a shame they departed for that. That was some of the best managed use of intros I've seen in anime. White Fox with Re:Zero S2 skipping the OP and EDs to extend their runtime to the max was also great for content, but makes the actual OP and ED forgettable. I'll still take that over the traditional structure.
Yeah MT discussions can be annoying af between the toxic haters and the toxic stans that are too defensive. 😅
Norn is a great character but be at his side is funny when the series show us that she is hypocrite cause his dad made the same thing Rudeus did but she did´nt get mad about him.
Basically, it has not point
EXACTLY where was all this energy for Paul? & it’s not like Rudeus pulled some random woman off the street saying that he loves her. Roxy is pivotal to his life and growth as a human being!
@@impactovernumbers5157Um she was literally a fucking baby when Paul cheated and she literally grew up in that two mom scenario. Now as an older person with her own views and opinions she is confronting Rudy for his selfish actions. Y'all have the lamest excuses for the shit writing at the end of the season
@@Petard01 so you acknowledge that she grew up around polygamy and it’s not a foreign concept to her. She’s an emotional person so I understand her reaction but at the same time it’s not her relationship to comment on. She has no idea about the history between Rudy and Roxy. Roxy literally was the first person to help Rudy get over some of his trauma so their bond is very deep and after she helped him grieve Paul’s death their bond grew even deeper.
Her argument is one of a moral standpoint but her opinion doesn’t matter. The only opinion that matters is Sylphie’s. Luckily for Rudy Sylphie actually sees him for who he is and that’s why she understands that him wanting to marry Roxy isn’t just because he wants another woman to sleep with it. He genuinely loves two women at the same time. Is it bad writing or does polygamy go against your world view? Either way it doesn’t matter as along as Rudy can make both of his wives happy.
@@impactovernumbers5157 i don't have a problem with polyamory, I take issue with the poor writing. Characters acting in ways that they normally wouldn't to expedite the harem the author wanted plus no consequences for their selfish decisions.
@@Petard01 who didn’t act the way that they normally would? Rudy and Roxy have had feelings for each other. Roxy felt like sex was a way to get his mind out of a constant state of depression for even a moment and she admitted she also just wanted to be with him so she took advantage of that. Norn reacted as expected and Sylphie was the caring understanding girl who puts Rudy’s happiness before her own. Everybody acted within character.
I see a lot of the “no consequences” critique which I disagree with. Norn gave an outside perspective of the situation and didn’t spare the feelings of Rudy or Roxy and Rudy had to get on his hands and knees and apologize to his pregnant wife for being unfaithful. Sylphie had every right to leave him and it seems like that’s what you guys wanted. Or you wanted her to punish him and keep him in the dog house for a while but she knows the man she married. He’s still the same girl crazy Rudy she’s known since they were kids. She holds him in high regard but she’s also a realist and you’re just mad that she sees Rudy for who he is. This very much in line with her character.
To people who are reading this comment, muskoku tensei s3 is gonna blow your mind. That's all I'll say
Gonna be peak fr
Turning Point 4 is coming 🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀
bro aint ready for turning point 4
From what I recall they get back to this stuff eventually. Remember that everytime Rudy's life gets better, it gets far worse.
Wonder how he's going to react to what Norn does by the end of the story KEK
Norn’s take was so strange considering she seems to love Lillia and Aisha
ngl I really liked the show and the impact the 10th episode had was insane. The last two episodes actually just completely ruined it for me though. I see some people saying how it was handled better in the manga but also after finding out at least somewhat what happens in the future. I think im good on this show now.
re zero is truly the better isekai (so far, could still have a shit ending)
well you're gonna miss out on that peak that will be Season 3
in the manga it would not have been better, because the manga did not reach these events, the anime is made according to LN
And so it is the last 2 episodes and especially the scene in front of the grave that are the most important in MT.
Rudeus' mistake made him realize that he was no better than Paul. But this is what made him recognize Paul as his father, calling him that for the first time after 17 years of his life. Previously, Rudeus did not perceive himself as part of the MT world, but now he has an identity and purpose, which is important for the event of season 3.
For many, volume 15 is the peak, but without volume 12 (the Labyrinth arc), it will have no weight.
The Season 2 finale is much more important than the Season 1 finale.
@@zLeSshuhnwell if they skip alot of the content like they did in the last 2 episodes to fit into the schedule then it wouldn't be, so let's hope they don't do that next season. We already had a precedent
You'll be back next season once the buzz spreads. LN 14-15 are the most famous of any light novel in Japan. There are AMV's on UA-cam that have close the 3 million views without an anime adaptation.
Yes. Norn being what she was is what made that episode more palettable for me
Another thing that bothered me is thst tye regret that man-god promised didn't happened. I was waiting for something to happen but then nothing.
His words arent supposed to be trusted thats the thing what makes it hard is that he has helped Rudeus told him truths so when the mangod bullshits for the sake of his own objectives its much harder to figure out
Remember when Rudeus was wondering if the mangod actually pushed him to go by telling him to marry Linia or Pursena? Its like he knew Rudeus would disobey his words
i just want more Rius
I think Gigguk just regrets that Roxy isn't Rudy's sister.
Ppl need to admit its better than every romcom copy paste stories
i mean if u read the light novel yk Just how important rudeus getting a second wife was
People are often forgetting that this show and story is about people who are extremely flawed but still being deserving of love and acceptance. Yes, what Roxy did was wrong, and I would fault Rudy as well for his impulse control during that time... but it's clear that Sylphy, Rudy, and Roxy are ready to accept and love the flawed people that they're with and I genuinely think that's beautiful. Roxy taking accountability in her own way is a good step by her, kinda wished Rudy would also step up and take some accountability too but we know well that Sylphy won't force him to do that.
All-in-all this is just a reiteration of MT's main message and moral lesson: even scumbags deserve love.
Also the anime did not go into just how many time skips there were between certain scenes. Roxy only went to "cure" Rudy after WEEKS of suffering and depression and inability to move. They also cut the conversations that led to their decisions, both for Roxy and for Rudy. Even the point between Roxy joining and Lucy being born is literally months apart.
@supersaiyandrgnslayr Exactly, as I mentioned above the anime Butchers Rudys infidelity quite badly, as he does take a lot of accountability in the novels and only gives in due to being too weak to resist and needing to confide in someone. Highly recommend grabbing volume 12 online/watching Aninews's video on the topic since it'll make things make more sense
@@supersaiyandrgnslayr @supersaiyandrgnslayr I wouldn't blame them for cutting as they only had two episodes left and there were no ed or op for those last two so it's not like they weren't scraping the bottom of the barrel for time. It would definitely have benefitted maybe one more episode or an extended episode where they combine episodes 23 and 24 but decisions like that need money because they need to purchase those timeslots so I would not take it against the animators, they did the best with what the studio can afford. And I agree that they should have at least mentioned the timeframe of Rudy's depression after paul died. One cut that I do agree on though is them cutting Elinalise's lie about Roxy being pregnant. I like that direction better because it means they made their decision out of love and not some manufactured obligation for each other.
No
@@SimonWoodburyForgetas someone who watches one piece, I feel like this take is the most brain dead take an isekai fan would make
W take
cant his eye see the future? how did he not see that attack coming?
norn forgetting lilia exist 😂
i mean it's always the most radical who are most vocal. i kinda mostly agree with gigguk, in a sense that i still enjoy mushoku but this whole thing is kinda strange (and honestly feels like author liked introducing "best girls" and afterwards he had no choice other than to (spoiler) make them all wives, which is just bad/lazy writing, wcyd)
It's not lazy writing but essential to the plot. Most of the feelings are conveyed in non-chronological order based on earlier aspects of their relationship. However, Mushoku Tensei literally would not work without her marrying Rudeus.
If the author really makes all girls a wive, there would be a lot more wives lol
the roxy part should be moved to next season, end this season on a low note
Rudeus and Roxy are really shitty for doing what they did. But I can also understand why they did what they did and Rudeus sincerely apologized and put everything on the table. On one hand, I get where Norn is coming from, but on the other I can't help but feel a discussion like that should only happen between those directly involved. Tough to say. Overall everything worked out fine and everyone involved is happy and fine with it, except maybe Norn I guess? I feel that it made sense the way things played out, and it was completely in character and even foreshadowed the Sylphie would be fine with Rudeus taking multiple wives. The bad things Rudy did were cheat and lie. These things have been reconciled by the people involved, so I see no reason to get angry about it. Just wish we didn't have to wait years for season 3 now...
Where can I see his reaction I’m confused what happened
40 sec in and bro speaking so slowly the editor kept cutting lol
Why he looks like, like he had boxer fight recently.
It was way done way more tasteless in the anime but in light novels Roxy and Elinalise lied to Rudy about Roxy getting pregnant with him and pressured Rudy that he couldn't leave her be alone in that situation... So yeah while Rudeus still did some awful stuff there, Roxy isn't any better than him
Wait untill he sees the 3rd wife
I'd really like to know the cross section between people who love Norn and people who think christians are too judgmental.
Everyone mad about the implementation of the harem aspect just keep in mind that norn is the only follower of Millis in their family and Millis is the only religion that pushes monogamy. No one else in the group cared about the circumstances that led to Roxy joining the family. Even for human standards, back in the day when polygamy was a normal thing, the methods thru which some people joined in the harem were much worse. I'm not saying what the show does is right or wrong I'm just trying to provide context and maybe people don't just jump on one end of the stick because of preconceived notions of what it means to be loyal within the context of the show. His father did the same, most people do the same as well in there, applying real world cultural values to this show is not a 1:1
Naaah i have same opinion, especially since i read novel version
Ik this is random but where is 86 s2? It’s been almost 3 years A-1🤨
I agree with his takes. The end of the season really was rushed, and it was at the expense of Roxy's character. To me, at least, it felt as if the author just wanted to move on and add roxy to the harem as soon as possible. I believe this not to only be an anime mistake, but likely a source material mistake too as I think there could have been much better ways to have added roxy to the harem. Eris gets around 3/4 a season, sylphie gets around half a season, and roxy gets... what? a 6th of a season, one ep being more focused on sylphie anyway? I really loved roxy's established character, she's not only my favorite in the series but one of top anime characters ever, so seeing her just rapidly thrown into the harem the way she was was incredibly disappointing. But thats really the only issue I have. Norn was incredible. She was the moral argument that the issue needed, and seeing her go off on rudeus (likely in part from the anger and sadness she felt from losing her father) felt genuine. I've seen people say shes annoying or it conflicts with her view of her father, but theres a difference between someone she's lived with her whole life and someone she just started warming up to as family. Norn didn't have the same moral compass when paul and lilia became married nor does she have a fraction of the information that the audience has. So overall this show is still a 10/10 top 3 for me, it has flaws, but every show does, and like gigguk said, I think I'm also being harsh on it because it's something I love.
I mean Roxy is a great character and also the worst developed wife....
@@leonardo835q yeah that's my thought too. Her character before s2 is my favorite in the whole series, but I feel she would've just been a better character later on if she just wasn't added to the harem at all.
They skipped to many important scenes and moments and rushed the timeline of the last 4-5 episodes
I hope he read the volume 12 of the novel. Cus that eps 23 situation literally got butchered by the anime. The studio literally skipped the most important development in Rudeus character.
Yes she is, but the fact that the show portrays her as "being in the wrong" or at least in an antagonistic way towards Roxy is one of the reasons why this anime is so trash. Rudeus doesn't need to do anything to actually get better, everything just falls on his lap.
Ex actly ^^^^^^^ Its p e d o fan tasy. The u gl y f at lo ser p e d o gets reincarnated and now he's handsome/easily powerful. And he gets 2 (and a 3rd wife he groomed) perpetually child like wives.... until he p a sses.
Norn was speaking for all of us
As much as I hate how aggressive Norn can be, she really did great the last episode
I think one of the real kicks for me was knowing Sylphie’s character to this point: very straight laced, very loyal, devoted, patient, principled. Which is why it’s hard for me to believe when I hear her say, “sure, you took advantage of my husband at his lowest but I saw tears in your eyes which tells me you’re a good person and I probably would have done the same thing in your shoes. And, please, I never believed my husband would be loyal in the first place.” Like, that says really bad things about the character of Sylphie as well as Roxy but the show seems to want us thinking Sylphie is some kind of saint for allowing all of this.
It’s just a hard sell for me.
You are right, anime didnt adressed that at all, Neither Sylphie or Roxy are perfect, read the light novels if you want to understand it.
They changed the storyline for the anime to make Rudeus more likeable. It was *him* not Roxy that came onto her and he pretty much forced himself on her too. The author seems to really have a "thing" for being rou gh/vio lent with vir gin girls :/
@@Courtannica damn where have ive seen this copy paste before?, also not really what happened. Dont glaze Roxy she was in the wrong as well.
Are you on I G? I've been in comment sections there too 🤔🤔
Either the *author* is the messed up one writing this
And it definitely happened that way
Now it’s just a normal isekai harem
Not really ive seen plenty of them none have the depth regarding family as MT
Most harems in comparison are extremely surface level nowhere near as grounded but then again i read the LN the anime changed a ton of shit
@@deathitself6985 the story has more depth than the ‘normal isekai harems’ that’s pretty much it. The anime had the potential to be the best isekai if it had just stuck to focusing the story on the things going around like mass teleportation, getting back into the human world..etc but they instead choose to focus on sexual aspects
Far from. I want more harme isekia where the MC sleeps with and has relationships with the girls. The 'norm' is lame ass dense MCs who never do anything with the 7 beatuies throwing themselves at him
@@SmortSquirtle Sex is a huge part of human life. Its the primarly goal of all living creatures evolutionarily speaking
@@TheRoleplayer40k wtf is this Reddit Fedora hat response 😂😂
Idk i think the writing and pacing for the last two episodes were kinda buns
This is 100% a: "Read the LN" moment
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i feel like its a must for anyone who likes the series even a little to read the LN, its something everyone needs to read before they die, ive never read a book from start to finish so reading was never my thing, but now i see why people read, there is soo much that you can get from reading that you just cant get with a show
Why? So they can finally understand the story is tr ash? Lmao
@@Courtannica If you hate it so much, why bother sharing your "opinion" under the comment section or in replies
@@Pathetic-Ali a lot of people don't know how abhorrent the story actually is.
@@Courtannica nah they just know how to differentiate between fiction and reality.
I have read your previous comments, everything you have said I bet you can't say that for Game
Of Thrones. And if you say so that will prove that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Keep coping
@Pathetic-Ali Games of Thrones is gross as well. When p e d o phi Lia is excused and normalized its a problem. It's widespread in Japan and "legal." There's a whole documentary about p e d o mangas/mangakas and how assaults on children have increased tenfold.
When Norn called out Rudy for his bs made me so happy and made me a Norn fan. Best girl. I lost all respect for Slphie when she quickly accepted it. It’s going to be hard watching Roxy play house with them. 🙄
The light novel is even worse. And Rudy ch eats again MUCH later on in the story too. :/
@@Courtannica Cheats with who? Tell me if im wrong but that was literally discussed accepted beforehand
@deathitself6985 with a random pro stitute. Ln really doesnt specify who.... but Slyphe was/is pi ssed.
@@Courtannica
Ah the alternate timeline where he goes insane and loses everything
@@Courtannica That's not the main timeline so doesnt really count for anything
I watch one fantasy and magic anime hello I'm addicted to to this concept of anime this one and another one that I watched are so FU*K !!!!!!! Good
I think the part that the story clearly struggled with is that the only real “victim” of the situation way Sylphie (Norn was more offended by proxy) and she simply isn’t the type of character to be hurt or hold grudges over that sort of thing. Sure the lack of real consequences was convenient, but can you honestly tell me an ending like Sylphie getting mad and leaving him would have been more believable? The most I can see her doing is holding it over his head constantly, which is, as it turns out, exactly what she does going forward in the novels.
Remember, dark themes and consequences can be more realistic, but not always. Sometimes things really do just work out, and that’s fine. It’s definitely a lot more forgivable since these kinds of fortunate outcomes are about as rare in Mushoku Tensei as they are in real life.
I mean there are some actions that can make her hurt enough to leave, but this just wasnt one of those
It relieves me to hear that Sylphie does feel some type of way about it and I hope we get to see it in future episodes of the anime
season 3 is where the REAL mushoku tensei starts
We all knew this was going to happen...so why is gigguks a based take?
He forgot the whole thing "he's gonna regret his decision", it'll definitely come back to bite Rudy
It already did, that was Pauls death. Roxy is not something he will regret
Coming into S2 part with no knowledge of what comes next, I was disappointed. It still beats majority of the media.
I don’t think I have that much of an issue with the execution, but the show the story. The whole Roxy cheating + second wife is… lame. Sure, polygamy was common in several none Christian cultures. However, the show did not establish this as a thing.
My bigger issue is that unlike the second part of previous season, there was not much going on besides character drama. One of the big attractions of season 1 was exploring the world and lore. This was largely absent from season 2. The Labyrinth itself was not all that interesting. I was hoping for much more than what we got there.
On the positive side, Rodus character growth was decently presented. And characters and their interactions are good. Hopefully season 3 can get back to season 1 part 2 form.
Based Gigguk
I think that's the reason why the author made norn for. This anime is drama and someone like norn is needed to make this more drama. If its another isekai this harem route maybe have no any drama in it. And everyone gonna just accepted. But again this is drama anime they have to make it drama and not in cliche way rudy have to cheat elinalize have to lie to rudy that roxy might be pregnant. And norn existence just made the drama perfect.
People who hate Norn are just idiots
Norn is the most relatable of anyone honestly. Seeing how easily Sylvie accepts it was so annoying to me, like Sylvie is just being "too perfect" of a wife where it feels like she'd not care if Rudy commited genocide or something
Norn had the most normal response out of anyone in that room.
The author once said that if he were to tell the story from any other character's perspective, it would be Norn
As a LN reader, I'm not a Norn hater, she's a great character, but I don't think she's absolutely right.
In fact, I can understand all sides.
Regarding the situation of betrayal, you need to understand what state Rudeus was in.
1) he lost his father
2) the mother, for whose sake everything happened, turned out to be a vegetable
3) he did not appreciate his parents and did not become close to them, only after the death of his father did he understand how much he needed them.
4) he completely repeated the mistake from his previous life, this is what finally broke him.
5) he is reincarnated from the previous world, repeating the mistake twice, because of which he cannot even share his feelings with others, because... thinks that they won’t understand him.
Not because of 1 factor, but because of their combination, he hit rock bottom in his life. I starved myself for several weeks.
At the same time, it was he who brought himself to the state of a vegetable, which led to betrayal, due to his weak character, which is a problem both in this and in a past life, but it is far from a fact that most people who criticize Rudeus acted on his better place.
As for Roxy, she sincerely wanted to help Rudeus, but did not know how, she, like Rudeus, does not have much experience interacting with people, because... she was an outcast in her village, it was the others in the group who pushed her into this idea.
If she hadn't done anything, Rudeus would have died, and even Sylphy admits that in her place she would have done the same thing.
Another thing is that, ironically, it is not this that helps Rudeus get out of depression, only to regain composure, but it is Roxy’s answer that one must live for the sake of those who are still alive that will make Rudeus remember his responsibility to Sylphy and find the strength to move on.
In fact, despite the fact that Rudeus and Roxy are to blame, they can be understood. I wouldn't judge anyone. Rudeus, unlike Paul, takes responsibility and admits to betrayal, asking for forgiveness on his knees when Paul hid the betrayal for several months.
At the same time, even Paul is a good person, he saved Rudy, spent several years to save Zenith, and saved thousands of people from slavery and death, after the Mana Catastrophe, when the nobles did not care about it.
Even Paul has a lot to learn, despite a lot of disadvantages.
This is what makes Mushoku Tensei good. Here the characters are not perfect, making mistakes, but despite this they can do things that are respectful, like Roxy who spent 6 years of her life for the sake of Paul and Rudy's family, risking her life, it was she who found the location of Zenith
As for Norn, I don’t blame her; if I were her, I would do the same. I admit it. I agree with all her arguments, except where she says that the path was easy for Rudeus, and I also don’t think that Norn was right when she didn’t let Sylphy finish and didn’t wait for her decision. Although even here her growth is shown, she was previously selfish and didn't think about others' feelings, but now she sincerely protects Sylphy.
I don't agree with Norn's hate when she is called out for her hypocrisy about Paul.
She wasn't born yet when Paul cheated.
At the same time, you can treat a person well, but condemn specific actions.
She condemns Rudy for his actions, but does not hate him, did not run away from home, etc., which also shows her growth as a person.
Who hates Norn? I barely see any outrage towards Norm on social media.
I hate to be the "read the manga" person... but they changed and omitted way too many important details from the light novels during this arc. Sylphie literally tells Norn to shut up in that scene, and she isn't nice about it like in the anime.
Either reading the novels, or watching AnimeNews' cut content videos are the only way you'll see that it had to happen this way.
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Exactly what Hitogami was thinking
Read the LN moment.
Unfortunately most people that watch the anime would not do that, so they will just take the episode as what it is and as the cannon event going forward
If the adaptation requires you to read the source material to make it bearable, it is a bad adaptation.
@@macinator4581Bad Adaptation doesn't get people to read in the first place. Novel and Anime are very different platforms
@@macinator4581 It certainly could be better yes. Though many found it quite good regardless. I’m just pointing out that the source does a better job of explaining these events
@@doodlegame8704 Saying read the LN is a lazy and irrelevant argument. All the complaints are valid. An adaptation should be able to stand on its own.
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Hello there. lol xD
This anime and story is so tr ash. In the light novel, *RUDY* comes onto Roxy. Not the other way around.
Besides the in cest, pe do phi lia, and other crap in the story.
The world building is nice but the author's degeneracy oozes out of every crack in the story. (Really seems to have a "thing" for writing about being "rough/vio lent" with vir gin girls.)
Rudy/NEET ja cks off while peeping at his VERY minor neice. And skips out on his og parent's funeral to watch c p....
And people really ignore all this in the story.
Nah some people just enjoy the story overall The world characters power system etc. So many people attack fans of this show standing on a moral high ground assuming every watcher and reader must be wanking their cocks cheering for all the degenerate shit in it..
You can separate quality of writing from morality and in some cases some people could really learn to separate fiction from reality a fictional world from our own.
The world building is freaking avg at best. it's just the other Isekais are SO bad at world building that this seems good compared to those.
the world building in this story is just an excuse for Rudy to find all the underage girls then for them to fall in love with him and have multiple wives with hints of "realism" for the edgy 20-30 year olds to think this is a realistic story.
@@deathitself6985 Problem is not being able to separate fiction from reality. problem is this story is being sold to ppl as some kind of self improvement journey(lmao).
author and MT fans should just accept its wish fulfillment for 35 year old with disgusting perversions, then I don't think the story would get any hate.
@@iknowwhy2629 Ah yes the good ole "I dont like this story so everyone who watches it for whatever reason is disgusting" grow the fuck up. I do love the outrage the virtue signaling and projection this series brings out of people.
Ah yes im sure you know better than people with mental health backgrounds and anyone else with a whole range of opinions on the series you must be correct -.-
I dont really give a fuck If you hate The whole fucking series but it says alot how this triggers you people enough to be commenting on multiple episodes and clips some of you know a little too much about a show you attack others moral standards on 😭😭 too funny
@iknowwhy2629 ex actly. Ex actly. He's 35-40 and getting with little kids. And the p e d o s defend this show/story/anime with their lives. Rudy/NEET doesn't need to do anything to actually improve everything just falls into his lap
at least Norn was there, but the cheating arc still sucked, and Norn get temporally angry with him again for the 10th time isn't an appropriate consequence for what happened
Mt is good but it’s not some masterpiece. It’s just about a weirdo who gets a second chance to be a less obvious weirdo that’s pretty much it.