Very Cool Guys.There was a guy on yesterdays tractors website a few years ago who found an old abandoned IH on an island and he fastened a roto-tiller engine on the pto and drove it accross the ice in the winter
Nice setup. It shows on-the-farm-engineering and ingenuity and ability to use what you have to get a job done. I bet its fun to operate and see what its limitations are.
Gotta be very impressed with the way you gave the old tractor ( and the implements) a new life and a very useful one at that. In many ways this is so much more impressive than a new super duper tractor that costs tens of thousands of dollars. And...purple? Of course, the color of kings, lol.
Oh come on he adapted a little gas engine to the truck input. Just because he did it at home doesn't make it more impressive then a new Fendt. I'm not knocking him either, what a neat little project, and he has a bunch of old implaments to play with. Apparently he learned to wire from it. But to say it's more impressive then a modern tractor is such a rediclous statement
i've got a massey 33 wf i use to push snow, and move things around with a boom lift. the fact that all of this can be done with 13 hp is amazing. good job!
I found this absolutely fascinating that a 13 hp single cylinder engine could do such a good job of driving that tractor and let alone a centrifugal clutch could handle the load . Top job thanks for posting.
Gotta remember original engine maybe turned 1200 rpm. New one 3600, effectively giving you a 3:1 advantage if you chain drive to the trans, that chain tension will ruin an input if not absorbed into a bearing. The oe engine probably ran daily for 60 years.
smcgil05 I say go for it. Massey Harris and Cockshutt I think will be the easiest to put a new small motor on. Tracters like Fords and John Deeres where the engine is the front frame would be more difficult. I think David Browns also have a frame around the engine that a motor could be put on. Check the gear box first though.
Glenn Bowman We were skeptical too about how much it would do and tried to avoid putting too much money in it before we saw what it would do. It turned out that it works much more than I expected.
I've repowered 2 machines, a lap saw and a Troybuilt tiller with the Preditor 212cc. They both start on the first pull and run great. I could buy 4 of these engines for the equilivant Honda.
The original tractor clutch has been gone for 30 years. It is now just the centrifugal clutch on the engine. It works very well though and is simple and was cheap. As far as how long it will last I have no idea. We have almost two years on it now and so far there is no noticeable wear to the clutch shoes or drum. My understanding is that centrifugal clutches sort of last forever and I guess if it does wear out we replace it. I am much more concerned about the motor wearing out first though.
RattieRanch generally in my experience, the bronze bushing in the clutch bell that it rides on wears out first on those clutches. And, the spring can get weak and make them drag too.
Unusual color for a farm tractor. Good job of putting the old gal back to work. Seems to have plenty of pto speed. Maybe you should cover the back of your control panel to keep things dry.
Holy shit...2020 and fingers crossed this beast is still working. I suppose you have worked it out and realised the power you need by the chain reduction from engine to transmission. Very good job
i too have a massey harris 33. my engine is out pending a rebuild. ive gone through the top end, but need to save up some cash for yhe bottom end. i may "copy" what you did to keep the tractor useful until the engine gets finished....great job!
If the engine is fixable, that would be the better way to go. This works well for yard tug work and can rake a few acres of hay but for field work it is less than desirable.
I would have never thought of that, either. 13 horsepower is a long way down from the 39 horsepower of the original 33 tractor but, when you consider the weight reduction of the 33's heavy, long stroke engine, the cooling system, the heavy starter and generator, the clutch and bell housing the full size battery, the air cleaner, all the sheet metal and the 25 gallon fuel tank, for lighter jobs, and keeping the ground speed down 13 horsepower can manage.
Love that you tried it , looks like it works well. An anti friction product called motorkote seems to soak into Metal like the mfg. Claims. I run it in lg. Diesels , cars, sm. Engines , l think the smaller the engine the more they need help to fight friction. Bless you.
The grass attachment is a old Lely tedder. It is for stirring hay so it dries faster. We tried the baler just to see if it would work, it would probably wreck the engine or clutch if you did a whole field.
I just finished repowering an electric golf cart with a 6.5 gas engine. I have a Farmall H with no engine and I'm doing research on possibly powering it with a 22 go harbor freight 670.
@@RattieRanch This is what repurposing is all about. Bet you could not buy one old tractor today made to really great tolerances and materials from back in the day. CHINA could not make anything that good for sure. VF
We actually had one of those old tractors down the road the motor had blown and they wanted too much for a new one as the entire motor was wasted so our neighbor had a chevy v8 283 and rigged it to run and run it did pulled house trailers like a scalded dog and it was an awesome puller due to the addition of an extra transmission
Best way to do it. I know a guy that had an old tractor he throw in a 454 big block from a wrecked truck. That thing was a hog on fuel, but would pull a barn. Motor already a torrque monster with gearing to rip up trees by the root. If only it had the weight
Similar project here. 49 Massey Harris Pony getting a Briggs and Stratton 600cc 14 hp petrol. Original engine was 12 hp, but 1200cc. Those are not MH colours guys.
Cool video(s) and I like this ingenious solution to the issue of repowering this great old tractor, but I'd prefer a little more engine. Possibly a B&S Vanguard V-twin, or a small diesel in the 15-20 HP range.
Curious as to how many centrifugal clutches you've gone through, and how the Chinese engine is holding up? Definitely a good project. Just would have to question the reliability of some of the hard parts. Well done. I hope you used this on your application paperwork for Engineering School.
Son: hey dad I blew up the motor. Has 5 more in the barn. Dad: it’s ok, just throw it in the pile of trash motors, I’ve got another in the barn all ready to go.
They are very scarce around here but it sure would be fun to do. I have also thought a 3-53 Detroit or more practically a reefer engine when this one blows up.
Baling was just a "can it do it" sort of trial, and it did in a very light windrow on level ground. I think it would be very difficult to bale a field with and hard on the engine and clutch.
Thank you. The sheet metal was long gone when we got this tractor. Used hoods are around but I like the better visibility of not have a hood and I am worried about restricting the cooling air to the engine.
That is so Kool. I've thought about using a 13 hp in a super A Farmall and now I know it will have enough power. I seen the video of it pulling the hay redder but how does it do pulling a brush hog in tall grass? A couple of years ago I ran across 2 Honda 13 hp engines that are still new and in the box. We repowerd an old Sears Sububan and love it over the old cast Briggs. They run a long time on a tank of gas.
I have never put a bush hog on this as it does not have a 3 point hitch and we do not have a pull type bush hog. Based on bush hogging with other tractors though, I think this would have a bad time in anything other than light grass. Also a lot of these older tractors have transmission PTO and that would make it hard on the centrifugal clutch to spin up the bush hog and start the tractor at the same time.
Yes. The original 5 speed transmission is still in it. In first gear it has enough power to pull a 2-12 plow in hard sod. As to snow blades there is no 3 point hitch on it but we may one day put a snow pusher blade on the front. Based on how it plows and tows heavy loads I am sure it should have no trouble with a snow blade unless the snow is very deep.
Heh heh, I wasn't too impressed until I saw you hooked to the hay baler.😮 It takes some horsepower to run those, especially if the hay is the least bit damp. Nice rig, and those engines are pretty cheap compared to rebuilding the original Massey-Harris engine ( *IF* you can find the parts). I think it may have been better, and a bit quieter, to go with an 18hp. V-twin, but unless you can find a good used one, it may not be cost effective.😉👍
One you get the flywheel spinning its just a matter of maintaining the velocity ive seen smaller tractors run larger balers due to this. Even a guy use an old 9n on a 4x5 round baler with eletric ties. Loader was destroyed so the hydraulic did the lift gate
The hay baling was just a will it pull it kinda thing on some small windrows at the end of the field. I think it would be very hard on the engine, clutch and chain to do any amount of baling with it and it would be very slow.
The sprocket on the centrifugal clutch is 14 tooth. The transmission shaft sprocket is 54 tooth. The engine is 3600 RPM, the original engine direct to the transmission was 1500 RPM. I think my setup works out to about 900 RPM at the transmission, about 2/3 of original speed.
Six years on the first engine and then it needed a new carburetor and was moved to a lower importance machine. We put a near new engine on it in 2018 for better reliability.
I have all ways wondered if this would work, so happy to see someone did it. This could save a lot of old tractors from the scrap pile.
Very Cool Guys.There was a guy on yesterdays tractors website a few years ago who found an old abandoned IH on an island and he fastened a roto-tiller engine on the pto and drove it accross the ice in the winter
I picked up so many square bales as a kid on my grandfathers farm. Nice work on the tractor!
Nice setup. It shows on-the-farm-engineering and ingenuity and ability to use what you have to get a job done. I bet its fun to operate and see what its limitations are.
Gotta be very impressed with the way you gave the old tractor ( and the implements) a new life and a very useful one at that. In many ways this is so much more impressive than a new super duper tractor that costs tens of thousands of dollars. And...purple? Of course, the color of kings, lol.
Oh come on he adapted a little gas engine to the truck input. Just because he did it at home doesn't make it more impressive then a new Fendt.
I'm not knocking him either, what a neat little project, and he has a bunch of old implaments to play with. Apparently he learned to wire from it. But to say it's more impressive then a modern tractor is such a rediclous statement
i've got a massey 33 wf i use to push snow, and move things around with a boom lift. the fact that all of this can be done with 13 hp is amazing. good job!
I found this absolutely fascinating that a 13 hp single cylinder engine could do such a good job of driving that tractor and let alone a centrifugal clutch could handle the load . Top job thanks for posting.
They'll do but not for long.
Gotta remember original engine maybe turned 1200 rpm. New one 3600, effectively giving you a 3:1 advantage if you chain drive to the trans, that chain tension will ruin an input if not absorbed into a bearing. The oe engine probably ran daily for 60 years.
Makes me want to find an old tractor and do something like that. Such a great idea. Nice work guys.
smcgil05 I say go for it. Massey Harris and Cockshutt I think will be the easiest to put a new small motor on. Tracters like Fords and John Deeres where the engine is the front frame would be more difficult. I think David Browns also have a frame around the engine that a motor could be put on. Check the gear box first though.
smcgil05 Same here!!!
if you do it please don’t tear apart a good tractor that’s complete
@@spencersand2754 Bro 2020😆
Wow I never thought the tractor would do all those jobs very cool build thanks for posting
Great job! I'm impressed with your engineering skills. I would have been skeptical that it could do all that with a 13 hp engine. My hat's off!
Glenn Bowman We were skeptical too about how much it would do and tried to avoid putting too much money in it before we saw what it would do. It turned out that it works much more than I expected.
Looks like it gets the job done. You did a good job making it look so well finished & professionally done.
I've repowered 2 machines, a lap saw and a Troybuilt tiller with the Preditor 212cc. They both start on the first pull and run great. I could buy 4 of these engines for the equilivant Honda.
The Honda engines are expensive.
Awesome to see a great working machine fixed by some extremely simple ingenuity and some work.
We agree!
Hi there this is the coolest thing i have seen in a long time.
Good on you for bringing this old tractor back to life and use! The purple color is perfect.
Thank you.
That tractor is AWESOME! Great job guys love it! Thanks for sharing!♡
Well done!! I bet it is still running now in 2018.
Yes it is.
That tractor is awesome love the paint job. Surprised that little clutch works so well. Keep the videos coming enjoyed it.
The first clutch lasted seven years. I was impressed with how tough it was.
The original tractor clutch has been gone for 30 years. It is now just the centrifugal clutch on the engine. It works very well though and is simple and was cheap. As far as how long it will last I have no idea. We have almost two years on it now and so far there is no noticeable wear to the clutch shoes or drum. My understanding is that centrifugal clutches sort of last forever and I guess if it does wear out we replace it. I am much more concerned about the motor wearing out first though.
RattieRanch generally in my experience, the bronze bushing in the clutch bell that it rides on wears out first on those clutches. And, the spring can get weak and make them drag too.
Very cool set up.I wonder how a V Twin 22hp Harbor F. motor would work?You can get them for about $1200.00 i think?
If it quits you can replace it with one of the Predator 22 hp twins.
Unusual color for a farm tractor. Good job of putting the old gal back to work. Seems to have plenty of pto speed. Maybe you should cover the back of your control panel to keep things dry.
Holy shit...2020 and fingers crossed this beast is still working. I suppose you have worked it out and realised the power you need by the chain reduction from engine to transmission. Very good job
Yes it is still running just fine. The drive ratio is 14 tooth sprocket on the engine clutch and 54 on the transmission input shaft.
That’s fantastic man. Love your tractor!
Thank you.
Amazing what you can do with 13hp , I thought my tractor was small at 68 hp, don't think 13 up would be able to mow
i too have a massey harris 33. my engine is out pending a rebuild. ive gone through the top end, but need to save up some cash for yhe bottom end. i may "copy" what you did to keep the tractor useful until the engine gets finished....great job!
If the engine is fixable, that would be the better way to go. This works well for yard tug work and can rake a few acres of hay but for field work it is less than desirable.
Awesome build. We converted a old New Holland Round Baler into a Rebaler to unroll round bales and feed them into our square Baler. Have a good one
Thank you. The Rebaler would be neat to see.
RattieRanch I have a playlist on it. From start to finish. Check it out. Have a good one
I like the fire extinguisher compartment.
I would have never thought of that, either. 13 horsepower is a long way down from the 39 horsepower of the original 33 tractor but, when you consider the weight reduction of the 33's heavy, long stroke engine, the cooling system, the heavy starter and generator, the clutch and bell housing the full size battery, the air cleaner, all the sheet metal and the 25 gallon fuel tank, for lighter jobs, and keeping the ground speed down 13 horsepower can manage.
There'll be no mistaking the paint scheme for anything else. Cool!
It is time for a repaint. I think I would use a different color the way things are now.
wow, i didnt expect that to work so well. awesome
Gosh dang I’ve never seen a predator engine 13hp run a power take off that fast and work that hard wow
Love that you tried it , looks like it works well. An anti friction product called motorkote seems to soak into Metal like the mfg. Claims. I run it in lg. Diesels , cars, sm. Engines , l think the smaller the engine the more they need help to fight friction. Bless you.
I have never heard of that but it sounds like I should look into it.
Well done!!! The horn is over the top.
It is useful now and then.
I love the the old grass grabbing attachment and bailer!! I have never seen any of this age. Would go perfect behind my 1952 8N 😁
The grass attachment is a old Lely tedder. It is for stirring hay so it dries faster. We tried the baler just to see if it would work, it would probably wreck the engine or clutch if you did a whole field.
@@RattieRanch good content either way, gonna keep a watch out for something similar that'll be affordable.
I just finished repowering an electric golf cart with a 6.5 gas engine. I have a Farmall H with no engine and I'm doing research on possibly powering it with a 22 go harbor freight 670.
Rockwell jet engine they used on haybalers would be cool hand start with weel
Would love to see a video on how you built it! THANKS!♡
Proper gear ratios make all the difference.
That's what I like to see a couple country boys making things work. Well done frend
nice unit. suprised it baled .musta drew down when it tyed. super nice job there.
Very fine workmanship! Enjoy it and keep up the good work!
Thank you.
I'm old. But new to me. Very well done! For peanuts !
Very well done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome. Great job on saving that old tractor. Well done 👍
Hard to believe that just this small engine can make it happen. Keep on keepen on.
We were impressed what it can do. That said, it does have limits but is very useful within them.
@@RattieRanch This is what repurposing is all about. Bet you could not buy one old tractor today made to really great tolerances and materials from back in the day. CHINA could not make anything that good for sure. VF
Likely easier on fuel than the original engine lol , well done
I really like this. I have a 16hp vanguard that needs a job 😂
Cool stuff thanks for posting!
Very impressive!
We actually had one of those old tractors down the road the motor had blown and they wanted too much for a new one as the entire motor was wasted so our neighbor had a chevy v8 283 and rigged it to run and run it did pulled house trailers like a scalded dog and it was an awesome puller due to the addition of an extra transmission
Best way to do it. I know a guy that had an old tractor he throw in a 454 big block from a wrecked truck. That thing was a hog on fuel, but would pull a barn. Motor already a torrque monster with gearing to rip up trees by the root. If only it had the weight
Cool! Built to last huh?
Looking good looking good looking good in lavender but that's okay which is another kind of purple looking good
Similar project here. 49 Massey Harris Pony getting a Briggs and Stratton 600cc 14 hp petrol. Original engine was 12 hp, but 1200cc.
Those are not MH colours guys.
Good luck with your project and hopefully it works well.
Allies Chalmers WC was the same. 28 hp engine from the factory. Would be light where you need for towing.
There are not many Allis Chalmers around here for some reason but I understand they are good tractors.
Its so cool this 13 hp engine is better then his original engine😂its a great idea i cant belive that this is the first time i see something like this.
Better, maybe not. But is does start at 0 degrees a lot better. I admit, I am surprised how rare doing this is.
Factory purple is a nice touch
Thank you.
But it is not quite factory paint.
Cool video(s) and I like this ingenious solution to the issue of repowering this great old tractor, but I'd prefer a little more engine. Possibly a B&S Vanguard V-twin, or a small diesel in the 15-20 HP range.
I would like that too, but clutching on a larger engine gets much harder and expensive.
@@RattieRanch Aha! I didn't think about that. Thank you for the insight. -b
I would have had to use a 20 hp V-Twin on it but hell its all about gears and torque
The 20 hp V twins need a much more expensive clutch and here in Canada they cost a lot more.
Way cool! Great job. Your a smart fabrication man
Thanks!
I never thought i would see this in this life, thank you and thank you youtube
Thank you and I never thought I would see this either.
Do you mean the color or the engine?
I mean the small engine powering the tractor so well. I don't mind the color either. thank you
Cool idea! I’m just curious what kind of load it could pull compared to the stock engine.
Curious as to how many centrifugal clutches you've gone through, and how the Chinese engine is holding up? Definitely a good project. Just would have to question the reliability of some of the hard parts.
Well done. I hope you used this on your application paperwork for Engineering School.
You beat me to the clutch thing. I just don't see those lasting long working like that
@@gilwilliams9036 meh. Only $50 to replace. Cheaper then the oil changes and fuel the orginal motor would have burned.
The first clutch lasted seven years. I had to replace the sprocket on it after about four years.
@@RattieRanch I would have never bet on that. That's amazing.
Add a big muffler next so you dont need hearing protection. Love it so far
Well done!
Thank you.
Man that thing moves right along
5th gear is for level and slight downhills only.
Thank you!
Son: hey dad I blew up the motor.
Has 5 more in the barn.
Dad: it’s ok, just throw it in the pile of trash motors, I’ve got another in the barn all ready to go.
That’s really cool glad you saved it you need to build a stack for it
It is too loud as is.
Genuinely surprised it can run the baler
Wow that's just Cazy that little engine could do all that!😱
I mean it is a tractor kind of, but it sure doesn't look or feel like one. I'm kind of impressed
I really like the purple though.
How is the tractor holding up over the years?
Blah, why did you paint it purple. Cool project!
find a deutz aircooled diesel. they make em in single to 6 bangers
still really cool BTW good job
They are very scarce around here but it sure would be fun to do. I have also thought a 3-53 Detroit or more practically a reefer engine when this one blows up.
Can’t believe a 13hp petrol like that will pull a tractor and Baler, and bale at the same time! Whereas a little grey Fergie will struggle to do that!
Baling was just a "can it do it" sort of trial, and it did in a very light windrow on level ground. I think it would be very difficult to bale a field with and hard on the engine and clutch.
You know? You can pipe a exhaust system that would make it extremely quiet..
I feel like crying in happiness :'}
Amazing!!
Very Awesome tractor..did You ever think about putting the sheet metal on the front...i think it would dress it up abit
Thank you.
The sheet metal was long gone when we got this tractor. Used hoods are around but I like the better visibility of not have a hood and I am worried about restricting the cooling air to the engine.
It dont have the same torque as the original engine but it is interesting still
Thanks for the video
I was amazed that 13 hp was running that baler.
I was a but surprised it did, but is was setup for the easiest baling with thin windrows. I have not done that again, but it was interesting to see.
That is so Kool. I've thought about using a 13 hp in a super A Farmall and now I know it will have enough power. I seen the video of it pulling the hay redder but how does it do pulling a brush hog in tall grass? A couple of years ago I ran across 2 Honda 13 hp engines that are still new and in the box. We repowerd an old Sears Sububan and love it over the old cast Briggs. They run a long time on a tank of gas.
I have never put a bush hog on this as it does not have a 3 point hitch and we do not have a pull type bush hog. Based on bush hogging with other tractors though, I think this would have a bad time in anything other than light grass. Also a lot of these older tractors have transmission PTO and that would make it hard on the centrifugal clutch to spin up the bush hog and start the tractor at the same time.
A bit of ballast out front would be good
great job!
Bro love from INDIA
Need to add the weight of the original engine to the front-end before it flips over.
It doesn't matter as long as the hitch is lower than the drive axle, which it is.
The is a lot of weight on the front from the cast frame. I might fill the tires with molasses someday though.
right on!! do another one with a Yanmar diesel and put a fuel tank off a Gleaner L2 combine for reserve!
Very cool. Does it have enough gear ratio to pull a plow or a snow blade?
Yes. The original 5 speed transmission is still in it. In first gear it has enough power to pull a 2-12 plow in hard sod. As to snow blades there is no 3 point hitch on it but we may one day put a snow pusher blade on the front. Based on how it plows and tows heavy loads I am sure it should have no trouble with a snow blade unless the snow is very deep.
Love the purple
Thank you.
Heh heh, I wasn't too impressed until I saw you hooked to the hay baler.😮 It takes some horsepower to run those, especially if the hay is the least bit damp. Nice rig, and those engines are pretty cheap compared to rebuilding the original Massey-Harris engine ( *IF* you can find the parts). I think it may have been better, and a bit quieter, to go with an 18hp. V-twin, but unless you can find a good used one, it may not be cost effective.😉👍
One you get the flywheel spinning its just a matter of maintaining the velocity ive seen smaller tractors run larger balers due to this. Even a guy use an old 9n on a 4x5 round baler with eletric ties. Loader was destroyed so the hydraulic did the lift gate
The hay baling was just a will it pull it kinda thing on some small windrows at the end of the field. I think it would be very hard on the engine, clutch and chain to do any amount of baling with it and it would be very slow.
@@RattieRanch That was the most impressive part- - - I never would have thought that would run a baler, or pull a plow. Very nice build!
What was the sprocket size on the drive side 🙏
The sprocket on the centrifugal clutch is 14 tooth. The transmission shaft sprocket is 54 tooth. The engine is 3600 RPM, the original engine direct to the transmission was 1500 RPM. I think my setup works out to about 900 RPM at the transmission, about 2/3 of original speed.
I mean i dont like it my myself but atleast the tractor got a new life
Great idea!
Needs a big hood ornament mounted on the nose.
Amazing .
How long before the engine wore out..and how was it on fuel
Six years on the first engine and then it needed a new carburetor and was moved to a lower importance machine. We put a near new engine on it in 2018 for better reliability.
This is really impressive. There must be plenty of old iron out on farms with dead donks ready for rebirthing.
Nothing wrong with innovations,but I draw the line painting it purple
I was wanting to see that thing pull a plow, 😂
I have a video of pulling a 2-12 plow with it.
Quite a stroke on that man lower cylinder, lol
Only bad thing is there’s no weight In The front
It looks odd but there is enough frame weight. It steers fine and with the little engine the front never feels light.
But how much torque is there?
I think the engine is rated for around 20 foot pounds.