It bewilders me seeing any criticism of this piece of genius. There’s no shortage of tractors, it works unbelievably well, it looks cool as it is no matter what the Colour 💜💜
Hi guys, I want to thankyou for inspiring me to repower my ferguson tea with same engine here in nz. I saw your comment about using vee belts and i have used dual belts via a jack shaft to a 12inch pulley on the input shaft. It works extremely well! I am very surprised at its pulling power. I was initially to conservative with gearing and had to gear it UP....13 hp is plenty for most jobs like towing our trailer loaded up with firewood. You can see it at kcrockshi account on yt. So again many, many thanks! Your tractor was a real eye opener for lots of us. Best wishes, stuart v.
He has given this tractor a chance to work again. Great job! I have a 1945 oliver row crop 60 with a cracked block. This method may be just what is needed to get it going again as engine parts for an oliver are tough to find.
I have a 2008 New Holland (30 HP) that broke in half doing loader work. They want $12,000 for a new motor. Needless to say the tractor is finished. I have an 883 Harley motor, I think I may make me a Harley Tractor. The 55 HP motor should do fine and I would have the baddest sounding tractor around. I would have 45 forward speeds and 15 reverse speeds! It is an air-cooled motor, but I think I will put an electric fan out of a car on it to help it stay cool at those low speeds. Hooking up the hydraulics will be the hardest part. I think I can take an aftermarket hydraulic pump and run it with the same chain used to run the motor. The only problem is I wouldn't have live hydraulics then. Any Ideas?
Even though that soil is most sand, i am dully impressed. It looks like it would do most anything the stock power plant would do. Better add a few hundred pounds out front before you flip it over. Well done boys, well done.
Now this is damn cool I'm seeing a lot of people doing the same thing you have done seven years ago that is just amazing look at that thing work I love it man✊👊👊👍👍👍👍
+Kyle Tupper I think a 101 is much the same mechanically as the 33 but a few years older. The only thing I would change is try to use a belt drive instead of roller chain. Belts would be quieter and smoother.
I want to use belts instead,I have some double groove pulleys I'm going to try using,and an old 16hp iron block Briggs engine I may fix up to use.when your pulling hard in low gear,ever run out of power or will it spin out first? I like to run out of traction before power lol
+Kyle Tupper The original engine in this tractor would have been running 1500 RPM rated speed and that is what the transmission and gearing are designed for. Most small motors like the this one are 3600 rated RPM. With the chain drive we have it down so the transmission input shaft is about 1000 RPM when the engine is at 3600. This was a bit of a guess as far as how much to slow it down but it has turned out about right. With the centrifugal clutch you can also only use the upper end of the engine speed. As far as running out of traction before power, in 1st gear on grass it will spin before the engine RPM drops to the point the clutch slips. On pavement or concrete I think the clutch would slip first. If using a clutch like tightening belts with idler pulleys, I think it would just barely spin on pavement. There are many advantages to a centrifugal clutch for stop and go and tug work, but for field work it is not the best. If you to go for a centrifugal clutch look for one with a bearing in the middle instead of a bronze bushing. Ours is a bronze bushing type and the bushing has gotten fairly worn and is not replaceable. How old about is the Briggs engine you have? I have heard good things about the older Briggs iron block engines but the more modern aluminum block engines I have worked with are not the best. Another thing to consider is the size of the pulleys. I think for 2 B size V belts at least a 4 inch pulley is needed to handle 16 hp. That would then mean that to reduce the speed at the transmission input shaft to 1000-1500 a 10 to 12 inch pulley or so would be needed. If you need other advice I can provide it as best I can.
it a early 70s briggs 16hp dont think it turnes as fast as yours so that may be a problem,I'd like to get a car trany to put in there to gear it down more,I dont think I can fit a big enough pulley inside the frame tub to keep from having belt slip or reduction poblems what do you think?
+Kyle Tupper A slower RPM on the Briggs motor I would think would make it easier to size pulleys. Less of a difference would be needed to end up with 1000 to 1500 RPM at the transmission input shaft. I would think using a car transmission would be a lot more complexity as far as then needing to connect the car transmission to the tractor transmission and getting a pulley on the car transmission input shaft. I think most of them have some specific spline. I would have to go measure it but I think a 12 inch pulley would fit on the tractor transmission input shaft. If the Briggs engine you have turns at say 2500 RPM or so than a 6 or 7 inch pulley on it would let the tractor turn around 1500 or so.
The chain lasts about a year or so, depending on how much heavy work you do. The clutch sprocket wore out and we had a new one welded on and the clutch drum is getting worn but it has been six years with a lot of very hard clutch usage.
We used a Hilliard Extreme duty because that was the clutch that local stores stock and it is cheap enough. I am sure there are better clutches out there but this one has be good enough and was simple to find and install.
@@1958johndeere620 ya i figured that but dont it have 2 inputshafts 1 for trans 1 for pto cuz my massey 50 has 2 and its not live when u push in clutch it all stops
@@jore551 I'm no expert, but my understanding is the input shaft on this tractor is just the one. The pto will only operate when the one input shaft is turning. On a live pto, the inner shaft ( inside the drive clutch input shaft ) is turned by the crankshaft all the time for pto use, and the outer shaft is only spinning when the clutch is engaged for transmission use. Thats sounds confusing to me, and I wrote it. LOL!.
@@1958johndeere620 lol i had 1 massey ferguson 50 that was a live pto when u push clutch half way it would just stop tractor full it would stop tractor and the pto that one has 2 a inner and outer input the one at the farm is not live pto and still has two but idk maybe the one is messed up or something
+Brad hoffman When this video was taken was the first time this plow had been in a field in more than 30 years. I also did not have it set even close to right, and the coulters and shears were worn out. Now with new shears, better setting and a few acres shining the moldboards it plows much better.
has a plow that had been sitting for over 40 years...took a wire wheel to it to clean off rust and shine it up...then took a spade to keep cleaning it off...worked great
If I were a betting man I would bet you 10 to 1 that engine will not last 3 years pulling those 2 bottoms. The old massey didn't use as much fuel and probably ran over 30 years.
I was a week ahead of a scrap operator. Also, no permanent changes have been made, it is all bolts. If I ever found the right engine for it I would consider it, but this is very dependable for what we need.
It bewilders me seeing any criticism of this piece of genius. There’s no shortage of tractors, it works unbelievably well, it looks cool as it is no matter what the Colour 💜💜
That surely brings back some good memories. Miss you grandpa.
Hi guys,
I want to thankyou for inspiring me to repower my ferguson tea with same engine here in nz. I saw your comment about using vee belts and i have used dual belts via a jack shaft to a 12inch pulley on the input shaft. It works extremely well! I am very surprised at its pulling power. I was initially to conservative with gearing and had to gear it UP....13 hp is plenty for most jobs like towing our trailer loaded up with firewood. You can see it at kcrockshi account on yt. So again many, many thanks! Your tractor was a real eye opener for lots of us. Best wishes, stuart v.
He has given this tractor a chance to work again. Great job! I have a 1945 oliver row crop 60 with a cracked block. This method may be just what is needed to get it going again as engine parts for an oliver are tough to find.
Thank you and good luck with your Oliver.
I have a 2008 New Holland (30 HP) that broke in half doing loader work. They want $12,000 for a new motor. Needless to say the tractor is finished. I have an 883 Harley motor, I think I may make me a Harley Tractor. The 55 HP motor should do fine and I would have the baddest sounding tractor around. I would have 45 forward speeds and 15 reverse speeds! It is an air-cooled motor, but I think I will put an electric fan out of a car on it to help it stay cool at those low speeds. Hooking up the hydraulics will be the hardest part. I think I can take an aftermarket hydraulic pump and run it with the same chain used to run the motor. The only problem is I wouldn't have live hydraulics then. Any Ideas?
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Even though that soil is most sand, i am dully impressed. It looks like it would do most anything the stock power plant would do. Better add a few hundred pounds out front before you flip it over. Well done boys, well done.
Front is heavier than it looks. The only time it gets light is if there is a very heavy draw bar tongue weight on it.
Would you make a video of some close up pictures of the connections? Would be awesome to see. TKS
Yes I have one in the works.
Fantastically Brilliant 👏
Love your video! And I love the Massey Harris tractor. Keep up the great work!
It's good to see some work
out of all that motor. She is a keeper. Treat her well. And can that food. Tks om
Thank you.
All ongoing.
Great setup to scratch 4 inches deep through sand.
That is exactly what is needed here. Any deeper and you start growing rocks and clay.
Nice job. The tractor seems well suited for that workout.
Now this is damn cool I'm seeing a lot of people doing the same thing you have done seven years ago that is just amazing look at that thing work I love it man✊👊👊👍👍👍👍
Thank you.
@@RattieRanch big welcome my friend thank you for a great video 👊🏼👊🏼💯
Great idea but what's the thing about two furrows? He's pulling a two bottom plow which leaves a furrow and on the next pass it gets covered.
I would have bet coffee and pie that wouldn't pull a two bottom plow....
The front tires seem to be a little light when under load, could use so counted weight in front.
88 Datsun 720, the tractor hads twin rear brakes, allowing the driver to use one brake to help with turns
would have never imagined you could do that with a motor that small, guess gearing makes all the difference.
It sure does.
I have a model 101 I should re-power like that,thanks for the idea
+Kyle Tupper I think a 101 is much the same mechanically as the 33 but a few years older. The only thing I would change is try to use a belt drive instead of roller chain. Belts would be quieter and smoother.
I want to use belts instead,I have some double groove pulleys I'm going to try using,and an old 16hp iron block Briggs engine I may fix up to use.when your pulling hard in low gear,ever run out of power or will it spin out first? I like to run out of traction before power lol
+Kyle Tupper The original engine in this tractor would have been running 1500 RPM rated speed and that is what the transmission and gearing are designed for. Most small motors like the this one are 3600 rated RPM. With the chain drive we have it down so the transmission input shaft is about 1000 RPM when the engine is at 3600. This was a bit of a guess as far as how much to slow it down but it has turned out about right. With the centrifugal clutch you can also only use the upper end of the engine speed. As far as running out of traction before power, in 1st gear on grass it will spin before the engine RPM drops to the point the clutch slips. On pavement or concrete I think the clutch would slip first. If using a clutch like tightening belts with idler pulleys, I think it would just barely spin on pavement. There are many advantages to a centrifugal clutch for stop and go and tug work, but for field work it is not the best. If you to go for a centrifugal clutch look for one with a bearing in the middle instead of a bronze bushing. Ours is a bronze bushing type and the bushing has gotten fairly worn and is not replaceable.
How old about is the Briggs engine you have? I have heard good things about the older Briggs iron block engines but the more modern aluminum block engines I have worked with are not the best. Another thing to consider is the size of the pulleys. I think for 2 B size V belts at least a 4 inch pulley is needed to handle 16 hp. That would then mean that to reduce the speed at the transmission input shaft to 1000-1500 a 10 to 12 inch pulley or so would be needed. If you need other advice I can provide it as best I can.
it a early 70s briggs 16hp dont think it turnes as fast as yours so that may be a problem,I'd like to get a car trany to put in there to gear it down more,I dont think I can fit a big enough pulley inside the frame tub to keep from having belt slip or reduction poblems what do you think?
+Kyle Tupper A slower RPM on the Briggs motor I would think would make it easier to size pulleys. Less of a difference would be needed to end up with 1000 to 1500 RPM at the transmission input shaft. I would think using a car transmission would be a lot more complexity as far as then needing to connect the car transmission to the tractor transmission and getting a pulley on the car transmission input shaft. I think most of them have some specific spline. I would have to go measure it but I think a 12 inch pulley would fit on the tractor transmission input shaft. If the Briggs engine you have turns at say 2500 RPM or so than a 6 or 7 inch pulley on it would let the tractor turn around 1500 or so.
I love the idea and how you did it but PURPLE? The tractor is embarrassed!
Robert Ordewald lol purple cuute lol lovely lol
Should add a big carrying basket up front for tools & supplies
This is a real monster, i like it
Not really, but it is very handy and dependable.
😃 WOW!! Eat your heart out old power.
You should add some weights to the front and build a stack
The engine is loud as it is. I would like to find a way to quiet it down but that is hard with air cooled engines.
Still going? How is the clutch and chain holding up? A 22 hp V twin predator would be nice.
The chain lasts about a year or so, depending on how much heavy work you do. The clutch sprocket wore out and we had a new one welded on and the clutch drum is getting worn but it has been six years with a lot of very hard clutch usage.
Thanks. What brand/model clutch did you use? Some are much heavier made than others.
We used a Hilliard Extreme duty because that was the clutch that local stores stock and it is cheap enough.
I am sure there are better clutches out there but this one has be good enough and was simple to find and install.
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Me and my brother were just talking about something like this.
Great job! But please put the hood and grill back in place. It looks too strange without them.
The hood and grill were long gone when got the tractor. I have not looked into what getting replacements would cost.
how did u get the pto to work also i saw it on a different video
Its not a live pto, so any time the transmission input shaft is spinning pto power is available.
@@1958johndeere620 ya i figured that but dont it have 2 inputshafts 1 for trans 1 for pto cuz my massey 50 has 2 and its not live when u push in clutch it all stops
@@jore551 I'm no expert, but my understanding is the input shaft on this tractor is just the one. The pto will only operate when the one input shaft is turning. On a live pto, the inner shaft ( inside the drive clutch input shaft ) is turned by the crankshaft all the time for pto use, and the outer shaft is only spinning when the clutch is engaged for transmission use. Thats sounds confusing to me, and I wrote it. LOL!.
@@1958johndeere620 lol i had 1 massey ferguson 50 that was a live pto when u push clutch half way it would just stop tractor full it would stop tractor and the pto that one has 2 a inner and outer input the one at the farm is not live pto and still has two but idk maybe the one is messed up or something
Is that clutch still going???
The first clutch lasted 7 years, about 300 - 400 hours. It is on its second clutch now.
clean off that plow and it will work much better
+Brad hoffman When this video was taken was the first time this plow had been in a field in more than 30 years. I also did not have it set even close to right, and the coulters and shears were worn out. Now with new shears, better setting and a few acres shining the moldboards it plows much better.
has a plow that had been sitting for over 40 years...took a wire wheel to it to clean off rust and shine it up...then took a spade to keep cleaning it off...worked great
and yes i have been thinking of doing the same thing with a old tractor ...
Sandy red land easy to break. Try it in some Alabama yellow gumbo.
Most of the land here is fairly sandy. The nearest gumbo would be quit a long ways away.
@@RattieRanch consider your self blessed.
The back moldboard is just barely scratching the surface, drop em deeper and let's see what she will do
Yes I did not have the plow set correctly then.
If you are going to plow ,put the plow in the ground
Plowing 3 or 4 inches deep and having the plow shifted so only one bottom is working is a joke
Plowing deeper than a few inches here brings up a lot of rocks and clay.
Moldboards are rusty , not scoured . Waist of time .
If I were a betting man I would bet you 10 to 1 that engine will not last 3 years pulling those 2 bottoms. The old massey didn't use as much fuel and probably ran over 30 years.
It only plows for a few hours a year. The tight turning is nice to have around the garden.
So fuckin what!!! The old motor died, it was time for something new!
what a waste of a tractor
@@Benni711 no he ruined it, if he wanted to save it he should've put the correct engine in it
I was a week ahead of a scrap operator.
Also, no permanent changes have been made, it is all bolts. If I ever found the right engine for it I would consider it, but this is very dependable for what we need.