Doom II's final boss is pretty broken yo. Music: Plurry by Bucket Baron's Province by James Paddock Cataclysmic Impact by James Paddock Patreon: / decino
@sheparddog117 you can’t shoot at the very top - you have to time it. What I do is shoot once when the platform lines up with the Icon’s “chin”, and then time a rocket when I run off of it. I know that’s probably not too helpful, but it’s hard to be specific. Use what I said as guidelines, and practice it.
The Free Version is fine. If not that, then the album version. Unless you have boxed copies of all the other DOOM games, in which case I'm going to need your address, k thanks.
By the way, Samuel Hayden stating that Icon of sin is getting stronger with every second on earth is a really nice touch, because in Doom 2 this boss fight was just pure race against time, the longer you stay in there, more monsters start and keep spawning, overwhelming you
The icon of sin also keeps spawning demons in doom eternal, starting with fodder and the longer you take fighting it, more heavy demons start spawning.
Fun fact, romero being the boss head wasn't planned from the start, a few others put his head in as a joke and weren't gonna tell him before release but he found out so he recorded and snuck in the voice line without telling anyone for a surprise to the other id dudes
9-25-23 So, some of the other developers of Doom tried to sneak his head into the Icon of Sin as a joke. However, John Romero would discover this fact, and would sneak a voice line into the game without telling anyone else. He surprised the people who tried to surprise him. Funny.
It's funny, it seems to show up in just about everything, but I'm pretty sure MAP30 is also the first time I heard it. It always distracts and annoys me when some other piece of media uses it because it's just far too recognizable.
As a child, I remember map 30 and the Icon of Sin being by far the most terrifying thing in Doom. It was gigantic, so unlike any other demon, there was nowhere to hide from it. The empty-ish hall design only exaggerated this. And the fact that it could kill you even with the god mode on completely freaked me out. I had it in my worst nightmares. The best video game boss ever.
Its not just the Icon of Sin. Forgot which doom game, but there was also the first part where you would instantly die (by telefragging yourself) if you didn't cross the "islands" through the right path. Also yeah, telefrags aren't blocked by iddqd.
@@jonbartosch1903 No. It's just a random joke in the video, referring to Romero's recent wad for Doom. "To win the game you must kill me John Romero" was the original reversed message.
@Agent 005 Sometimes a lot more complicated... But honestly? Sometimes not at all that much more complex. AI in games is still extremely primitive in more cases than you might imagine... Sometimes the AI in a modern game barely surpasses the complexity of pacman. On the other hand, sometimes it's so complicated you'd need to do a 3 year long study just to make sense of it all...
Everyone: Icon of Sin ACTUALLY says "To win the game you have to kill me John Romero"! Me: giggling because decino saying "reaction time" sounds like "erection time"
_Fun Fact that you probably knew._ The Icon’s brain spit sound is used in multiple movies and other games! _This has been, The fun fact that you probably already knew._
@@ChusenOne It's probably similar to the Doom door sound. While I always mentally associate it with Doom, you'd be surprised once you start listening for it, how many films in shows up in. The reason that door sound is so common is because it comes from a stock sound library that pretty much EVERYONE in Hollywood, and most of the games industry owns. It costs like a few hundred to buy the library, but the sounds it contains are royalty free. No doubt the sound used here is either from the same library, or a similar kind of sound library that was in widespread use...
"The longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the stronger he will become" Doomguy: "Ok, so beat up John Romero's head, got it." "What?" Doomslayer: "You wouldn't get it."
@@tehberral They already got the classic skin model on Eternal. If they hire a programmer to give it gameplay mechanics, remaster the original levels in idTech 7, and make a Generations style of gameplay (Classic Doomguy cannot jump, can't dash while the Modern Doomslayer can) and voila!
I even got myself a concept for the final Icon of Sin fight now that I thought about it. Both the Doomguy and the Slayer join forces together and head to the portal to the destroyed buildings and he's right there (the full-body one in Eternal) roaring that famous John Romero line menacingly. Both characters take turns in fighting him, as he starts spawning demons using Hell Energy. The Slayer would weaken the body while Doomguy fires on the head, which would stagger him for a while, hence giving the player more time. In the end, after it's almost killed, both of them fire volleys of rockets to it's exposed brain, instantly blowing it up.
it's worth noting that despite the fact that you can typically only damage the icon of sin with rockets, the romero head actor doesn't actually have any sort of damage immunity. instead, the head in d2m30 ( as well as many, _many_ map30s that follow ) is just too low to hit with most weapons. but, since splash damage only checks proximity on the xy axis, rockets are still able to damage it by hitting the wall behind it and catching it in their explosion. subsequently, ports like gzdoom which make splash damage use 3d collision detection have to "cheat" and ignore that added functionality _specifically for the romero head_ just to make sure that map30 doesn't _break_ also, the explosions from a dying romero hero _don't_ actually hurt ... under the conditions of a typical map30 setup, anyway. the S_BRAINEXPLODE states don't call A_Explode like the normal rocket death states, and while the spawned actors are 100% standard rockets forced into a non-standard state ( meaning, they're still projectiles - even though they're _visibly_ exploding, the rockets haven't actually _died_ ), actors only check to collide with other actors during P_XYMovement. which, as the name suggests, handles movement on the xy axis, not the z one. so, normally, they don't deal explosion damage, nor are they capable of hitting an actor to deal contact damage and _then_ explode normally but here's the thing: projectiles may not be able to collide with _actors_ while moving purely vertically, but they still collide with _planes_ and being under a floor or being above a ceiling counts as colliding with them so, if a romero head is positioned in such a way that its explosions will spawn below a floor or above a ceiling? the rockets will explode _using their normal death state,_ and thus will deal their normal splash damage to anything unfortunate enough to be in the blast radius. this also means that if an explosion spawns below a ceiling, but is carried into the ceiling by its upward momentum before it vanishes, it'll die and thus _reset the explosion animation,_ but this time as an actual damaging explosion - which, thanks to the aforementioned fact that splash damage doesn't bother checking vertical distances, is far more likely to kill something than you might first think
I think there's something profound about Doom. As I've watched these informative videos that get deep into the code I appreciate the game more. It was made so long ago, yet the software was ingenious at the time. It's optimized so well, that it has basically become possible to run doom on anything. I love these videos, but I gotta go buy the sigil box set.
I have so many fond memories of basically creating Survival maps before Survival gametypes were popular using this. Make a huge base of supplies & guns, then stick an Icon of Sin spawner in the distance.. boom, instant non-stop invasion of enemies (until the crappy netcode crashes lol)
I remember some rumors saying that the Icon of Sin could have been a way bigger and more powerful Cyberdemon in previous concepts. And just like all rumors... It was unfounded.
First played Doom 2 all the way through on I'm Too Young To Die with god mode way back when I was 8 years old. I made it to map 30 totally confused what to do, running all over the map, when suddenly I died with a big red screen. Scared the bejezus out of me. Now I know it was just a spawn cube telefragging me.
I have a very distant memory of this happening the first time I ever played the map, would be about the same age and confused me for years. Told myself iddqd must have a time limit
The "monsters can telefrag each other on MAP30" thing explains some odd behavior on MAP30 of the megawad "Epic 2," that being a stream of enemies teleporting in and instantly dying when you hit two switches. It wasn't some weird exploding barrel trick, just the engine doing what it was intended to do, albeit in an unintended way.
The high pitch ring around 0:41 was a little hard on the ears, I dunno if anything can be done about it (and I knows its part of the song) but just thought I'd mention it But still, amazing video as always, always love a little code deep dive
@@sunny_D I am a 31 yo industrial electrician , I'm used to noise, and high pitched whines and shit coming off of VFD's, and it annoyed the everliving SHIT out of me. Makes my brain go hurty :(
Decino is finally back, missed you my friend. The icon of sin is definitely an interesting enemy, during the fight, I was also scared of those demon cubes he shoots, because if I come into contact, than the telefrag will insta kill me, even with invincibility.
Sooo many new names in the patreon's list! And completely deserved! Always interesting analyses and fun map clears! I hope some day the list will be so large you'll have to get tired or change the perk))
Someone needs to spawn a -1 cube, and then we'll all place bets on what demon it spawns for 11.4 years - should give tons of time for people to get the pot nice and big. I vote it spawns an Arch Vile, for 100$ 🙃
To win the game you must first avoid all the god damn bugs. Now I know why all those clever DeHacked mods I made using the Icon would make the game crash for seemingly no reason. Still, when it worked it was pretty cool.
1:10 This is your moneyshot, decino You made a joke that only the fellow doomers will pick quickly. You are a awesome content creator and also a formidable purist player
Also I believe the explosions from a dying Icon can only be seen if the Icon itself is facing South on a map. Any other direction and you'll get nothing. See: the Icon in TNT Evilution's "Last Call" map faces North, so upon death you'll hear the scream but get nothing.
Hey decino, this video was featured in Cracked article titled "6 Gaming Secrets That Took Forever To Discover" - and they credited you with proper lowercase. :) _"The Icon of Sin is Doom 2's final boss. Its masterplan is literally giving birth to demons that'll hopefully prevent the main character from shooting it in its comically overexposed brains. (...) If you think Sin's strategy isn't flawed enough already, UA-camr decino found out that, due to some very odd coding, one of the Sin's babies has a gestation period of nearly 11.6 years. So about 11.6 years way too late for anything other than a B-grade revenge-themed sequel."_
I genuinely love these analysis videos. They all have me learn something good and useful about doom. For instance, the armor video showed me that i shouldnt immediately pick up green armor under 100 percent. The rng one are also useful and interesting. Overall, all of your analysis videos helped me so much in playing some wads, and they are all interesting too.
I love these videos so much, I normally only understand a little bit of this stuff, as I'm not versed in coding amd stuff...but THIS is insane, I can't even fathom the complexity of this
I just love how much effort, brain power and love is put into this vids and analysis. Decino is a very cool guy and a hidden pearl inside UA-cam algorithm
Thank you so much for having visuals to explain this bosses code, I briefly understood what the cubespawner and cubetarget did but vaguely at best. You've mastered the ability of being informative while entertaining.
Yay a new doom analysis video, this is so awesome because I love to be able to understand how a game works, and especially if it’s doom so thank you so much for making these videos and taking time to analyse the game. You’re the best 👍
I still find it oddly funny when the upbeat 'goonies II' music plays in the Scythe level complete intermission after dying in Map10 and hearing that Romero Head scream. I remember thinking it was a glitch or a wrong exit trap until learning about forced pistol starts.
So this explains why I've been buying any random sigils I've come across for the last quarter of a century.... Oh well, money well spent *cackles in demon*.
i kinda wish the icon of sin and the other bosses were more complicated the cyberdemon shoots rockets, the spider mastermind shoots bullets and the wall of sin shoots demons im so confused how the arch vile is soooooo much more annoying than any boss
Yeah, everybody knows about the John Romero head and backmask, but did you know that Super Mario Bros 2 was really a game called Doki Doki Panic? Nobody ever seems to mention that!
Everyone waiting for new Valiant video decino: _how about no_ *(still a good video)* buy Sigil-oh wait...i mean *To win the game you must kill me John Romero*
Uploaded a version without the annoying high-frequency sound: ua-cam.com/video/L-Sfys0bCjc/v-deo.html
Pls make a video about doom 64 mechanics or doom 64 textures and sprites origin
@@theblackswordsman1998 yes i agree. i wanna watch
i am learning more and more about doom and it's endless possibilities
I hear no annoying high frequency sound. My potato prevents it to happen.
Is the sound from the song or editing?
@@kentuckybruce6816 It's just from the map30 song.
* plays audio in reverse *
"Hello fellow doomers, make sure to sign into your Bethesda account.
@sheparddog117 I just recommend practicing with timing. Using a port that enables crosshair helps.
@sheparddog117 you can’t shoot at the very top - you have to time it. What I do is shoot once when the platform lines up with the Icon’s “chin”, and then time a rocket when I run off of it. I know that’s probably not too helpful, but it’s hard to be specific. Use what I said as guidelines, and practice it.
@sheparddog117 infinite ammo
i refuse.
Hello doomers, in order to play doom on your Nintendo switch, you must sign into your Bethesda account
Man, Romero *really* planned ahead with that hidden message
He's a freaking genius after all.
Remember the last "official", "intended" secret of Doom 2?
Shut up and take my like
Love the pun lol
Bds tss
For some reason I feel like I should buy the SIGIL™ Beast Box™, that’s strange.
moosnoc... hguoht, meti elbitcelloc looc a yllautca s'tI
Consoom what the hell..
@@2chill2bbored72 Consume as in consoooming.
The Free Version is fine. If not that, then the album version. Unless you have boxed copies of all the other DOOM games, in which case I'm going to need your address, k thanks.
Bitch box
I'm going to wait 11.6 years for that spawn cube to spawn
*turns out to be archvile*
*alright going to leave*
Hold on, this whole operation was your idea
Getting the archvile is kinda like shiny hunting.
When the cube shall land in real time, it will spawn an Archvile in the real world.
Why am i getting more likes? It was just a dumb joke i made up
It will mark the moment we colonise mars
The longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the more bugs he introduces.
Yikes.
Would explain the state of most Bethesda games, at least.
The longer Doom franchise is on the market, the stronger it will become.
IDHLEB unless it pulls a halo reach and fucks the franchise forever.
@@gub4941 wdym, halo reach was amazing
By the way, Samuel Hayden stating that Icon of sin is getting stronger with every second on earth is a really nice touch, because in Doom 2 this boss fight was just pure race against time, the longer you stay in there, more monsters start and keep spawning, overwhelming you
The longer you fight with Icon of Sin - the more difficult it will become
The icon of sin also keeps spawning demons in doom eternal, starting with fodder and the longer you take fighting it, more heavy demons start spawning.
Scientist Walter Only thing with Eternal is that it’s absolutely no issue thanks to the respawning Crucible ammo and your chainsaw.
@Frax Is that in ultra nightmare difficulty or something? 'Cause the icon keeps recalling the demons he summons when I've played the map.
interestingly based on what I heard the icon of sin might be easiest in nightmare mode as the respawning monsters will max out the spawn cap
Fun fact, romero being the boss head wasn't planned from the start, a few others put his head in as a joke and weren't gonna tell him before release but he found out so he recorded and snuck in the voice line without telling anyone for a surprise to the other id dudes
9-25-23
So, some of the other developers of Doom tried to sneak his head into the Icon of Sin as a joke. However, John Romero would discover this fact, and would sneak a voice line into the game without telling anyone else.
He surprised the people who tried to surprise him. Funny.
@@michaelschlem2849thats legit what he just said dumbass
When the final boss is a wall texture
and the final boss of Ultima 3 is the floor lol
when the final boss is a BROKEN wall texture
Final fantasy has entered the chat
When the final boss is a wall
When the final boss is so bad it won't even get the dunce cap because that would require recognizing it as a doom level
Analysis video took so long because he had to learn how to pronounce everyone's name without messing up
And still managed to mispronounce half the names.
I can’t complain. He didn’t call me Byron. LoL
If I ever manage to spawn a dude imma call it quakegamer632
decino yikes
It was because he was waiting 11 years so the spawncube can spawn a demon. Duh.
The stock sample used when the brain fires a spawn cube is forever associated with the icon of sin for me, no matter where it shows up.
It's funny, it seems to show up in just about everything, but I'm pretty sure MAP30 is also the first time I heard it. It always distracts and annoys me when some other piece of media uses it because it's just far too recognizable.
Every time I hear it in a movie explosion it makes me cringe. It's like the Wilhelm scream but without the self awareness of how crappy it sounds.
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism Oh god, all of that. I hate that sound effect so much.
Haven't heard your voice in a while Peter, hopefully you'll make a cameo soon!
Ya, I remember hearing it in a movie recently... can't remember which one though. I just remember it instantly triggered my brain.
As a child, I remember map 30 and the Icon of Sin being by far the most terrifying thing in Doom. It was gigantic, so unlike any other demon, there was nowhere to hide from it. The empty-ish hall design only exaggerated this. And the fact that it could kill you even with the god mode on completely freaked me out. I had it in my worst nightmares.
The best video game boss ever.
Imagine this, you walk in you room and you see a giant severed head on a spike starting chants and then kills you with a fireball.
Fiji Sharbrough Terry wads in a nutshell
Kinda makes me feel even happier that he's gotten an upgrade in Eternal
His creepiness factor lived on to see the modern gen
Its not just the Icon of Sin. Forgot which doom game, but there was also the first part where you would instantly die (by telefragging yourself) if you didn't cross the "islands" through the right path.
Also yeah, telefrags aren't blocked by iddqd.
@@arahman56 tnt eviloution.
"He AcTuAlLy SaYs To WiN tHe GaMe YoU mUsT kIlL mE jOhN rOmErO"
- Everyone who thinks they know more than decino about doom, 2020
Sorry, I’m way out of the loop - is the reversed audio in this video a joke that people that watch this channel would get?
@@jonbartosch1903 No. It's just a random joke in the video, referring to Romero's recent wad for Doom. "To win the game you must kill me John Romero" was the original reversed message.
I thought it said" im the true demon that will kill you zabadoo
@@n0kt0h45 So you think you know more about doom than decino, huh?
@@caliscience that's literally what it says decino is wrong
TIL: there’s more logic/code behind the icon of sin than I ever knew.
And half of it is botched!
@DomSka
Patron privileges, most likely.
@Agent 005 Sometimes a lot more complicated...
But honestly? Sometimes not at all that much more complex.
AI in games is still extremely primitive in more cases than you might imagine...
Sometimes the AI in a modern game barely surpasses the complexity of pacman.
On the other hand, sometimes it's so complicated you'd need to do a 3 year long study just to make sense of it all...
0:00 decino hyping himself up for playthroughs
decino's morning alarm
How'd he make that voice clip anyway?
As a programmer myself, I love that you actually go into the code and show how things work. Doom rocks
The Icon of sin: exists
Me, who has played dozens of Wads: HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON *_OLD MAN_*
You already ruined the stairs in Tricks and Traps for me, now I can't look at the Icon of Sin anymore. Thanks.
Wait what was wrong with the stairs
@@daddykrabs0 1) The second step breaks the symmetry. 2) The left surface of the third step has a different texture than the rest.
@@FuzedBox is there a video of this?
@@Mifferz It's in Decino's Doom II 100% playthrough, he points it out while going through that room (on Map 08).
wasabidog Ah, thank you
Never before have I noticed that texture in map 30.
Never again will I fail to notice that texture in map 30.
I've always rationalized the gap as kind of support beam.
"Like all demons, Romero's Head has a death state."
Of course, the most famous demon of all: John Romero's terrible hair.
"That man's mane is a sign of virility!" - Civvie-11
Everyone: Icon of Sin ACTUALLY says "To win the game you have to kill me John Romero"!
Me: giggling because decino saying "reaction time" sounds like "erection time"
Mandela effect???
@@miguelduarte2138 the Lemmino video on Doom
@@miguelduarte2138 must be Mandela. I just checked it and this video is correct.
>you must kill me
FTFY
(makes Beavis noises) Boioioioioioioioioioioing!
Doom² but every sound is replaced with John Romero reversed dialogue.
Remind me to make that
@@dnkakusei do that I guess
@@dnkakusei do it
And every texture is just Icon of Sin
Giant evil goat smiley face
@@Gemidori John's pain.jpg
_Fun Fact that you probably knew._
The Icon’s brain spit sound is used in multiple movies and other games!
_This has been, The fun fact that you probably already knew._
I think it's a generic fire sound
Wonder why that is. It's a non-proprietary sound? Happens with a lot of SFX
@@ChusenOne It's probably similar to the Doom door sound.
While I always mentally associate it with Doom, you'd be surprised once you start listening for it, how many films in shows up in.
The reason that door sound is so common
is because it comes from a stock sound library that pretty much EVERYONE in Hollywood, and most of the games industry owns.
It costs like a few hundred to buy the library, but the sounds it contains are royalty free.
No doubt the sound used here is either from the same library, or a similar kind of sound library that was in widespread use...
Many Doom assets are generic/well known as Decino already revealed in his movies.
And the sound used in Blood when the gargoyle boss shoots fireballs, I have heard that sound everywhere...
1:50 My grandpa had the game crash on this level in the early years of playing doom now I know why
Since The Icon of Sin is actually John Romero,if someone murders John Romero are they the first person to actually beat Doom 2?
No, they would be an absolute knob.
I'm on it
No they would be in jail
Shadow Bitten bet?
John Romero's immortal.
"The longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the stronger he will become"
Doomguy: "Ok, so beat up John Romero's head, got it."
"What?"
Doomslayer: "You wouldn't get it."
This makes me think of a Sonic Generations classic/modern thing for Doom. I wonder how desperate id would have to get to actually pull that stunt.
@@tehberral They already got the classic skin model on Eternal. If they hire a programmer to give it gameplay mechanics, remaster the original levels in idTech 7, and make a Generations style of gameplay (Classic Doomguy cannot jump, can't dash while the Modern Doomslayer can) and voila!
I even got myself a concept for the final Icon of Sin fight now that I thought about it. Both the Doomguy and the Slayer join forces together and head to the portal to the destroyed buildings and he's right there (the full-body one in Eternal) roaring that famous John Romero line menacingly.
Both characters take turns in fighting him, as he starts spawning demons using Hell Energy. The Slayer would weaken the body while Doomguy fires on the head, which would stagger him for a while, hence giving the player more time. In the end, after it's almost killed, both of them fire volleys of rockets to it's exposed brain, instantly blowing it up.
@@abhinandanil7775 oh no
@@abhinandanil7775 also you can put the gun in the middle
the first 5 seconds is just hayden reversed "the longer the icon of sin stays on earth, the stronger it will become"
it's worth noting that despite the fact that you can typically only damage the icon of sin with rockets, the romero head actor doesn't actually have any sort of damage immunity. instead, the head in d2m30 ( as well as many, _many_ map30s that follow ) is just too low to hit with most weapons. but, since splash damage only checks proximity on the xy axis, rockets are still able to damage it by hitting the wall behind it and catching it in their explosion. subsequently, ports like gzdoom which make splash damage use 3d collision detection have to "cheat" and ignore that added functionality _specifically for the romero head_ just to make sure that map30 doesn't _break_
also, the explosions from a dying romero hero _don't_ actually hurt ... under the conditions of a typical map30 setup, anyway. the S_BRAINEXPLODE states don't call A_Explode like the normal rocket death states, and while the spawned actors are 100% standard rockets forced into a non-standard state ( meaning, they're still projectiles - even though they're _visibly_ exploding, the rockets haven't actually _died_ ), actors only check to collide with other actors during P_XYMovement. which, as the name suggests, handles movement on the xy axis, not the z one. so, normally, they don't deal explosion damage, nor are they capable of hitting an actor to deal contact damage and _then_ explode normally
but here's the thing: projectiles may not be able to collide with _actors_ while moving purely vertically, but they still collide with _planes_
and being under a floor or being above a ceiling counts as colliding with them
so, if a romero head is positioned in such a way that its explosions will spawn below a floor or above a ceiling? the rockets will explode _using their normal death state,_ and thus will deal their normal splash damage to anything unfortunate enough to be in the blast radius. this also means that if an explosion spawns below a ceiling, but is carried into the ceiling by its upward momentum before it vanishes, it'll die and thus _reset the explosion animation,_ but this time as an actual damaging explosion - which, thanks to the aforementioned fact that splash damage doesn't bother checking vertical distances, is far more likely to kill something than you might first think
0:57 The longer the Icon of Simp is on Earth, the more powerful e-girls will become.
"wut duz the ikcon of simp say"
the ikcon* of simp
I think there's something profound about Doom. As I've watched these informative videos that get deep into the code I appreciate the game more. It was made so long ago, yet the software was ingenious at the time. It's optimized so well, that it has basically become possible to run doom on anything. I love these videos, but I gotta go buy the sigil box set.
you have become his bitch by buying the SIGIL™ Beast Box™
This is why doom and quake are masterpieces
Haha. That reverse easter egg though.
When I see that yellow background, I know it'll be good
Yeah man'
Vietnam Flashbacks from CD Projekt Red
Would honestly love to see an "Ikcon of Simp" boss fight mod
Just go into a female Twitch streamer's chat and say something bad about her
Sounds like something that would fit into a mod like H-doom or the like. ;p
"Hey, that's pretty good!"
@Frax simp
I lost it at this part of the vid lol
4:31 What a dedication, you ran the simulation for 11 years.
"Im bored, what should i do?"
~Decino new video~
"I ENJOY"
*Icon of SIMP!?* 0:56
I laughed pretty hard.
7:57 Gosh darn it. I notice a ton of texture seams in Doom as it is. Can't unsee.
1:15 What is it about Romero, and "become my bitch"? First Doom, then Daikatana's marketing...
The icon is now cursed and it can't be unseen. I always thought it was a pipe or something but it's really just a RAW TEXTURE. Thanks sandy.
I have so many fond memories of basically creating Survival maps before Survival gametypes were popular using this. Make a huge base of supplies & guns, then stick an Icon of Sin spawner in the distance.. boom, instant non-stop invasion of enemies (until the crappy netcode crashes lol)
7:57 This error is kinda like the misaligned Sonic 1 title screen. Once you see it you will never unsee it.
The what now
Game: how many explosions you want?
Icon of Sin: *Yes*
I remember some rumors saying that the Icon of Sin could have been a way bigger and more powerful Cyberdemon in previous concepts.
And just like all rumors...
It was unfounded.
First played Doom 2 all the way through on I'm Too Young To Die with god mode way back when I was 8 years old. I made it to map 30 totally confused what to do, running all over the map, when suddenly I died with a big red screen. Scared the bejezus out of me. Now I know it was just a spawn cube telefragging me.
I have a very distant memory of this happening the first time I ever played the map, would be about the same age and confused me for years. Told myself iddqd must have a time limit
The "monsters can telefrag each other on MAP30" thing explains some odd behavior on MAP30 of the megawad "Epic 2," that being a stream of enemies teleporting in and instantly dying when you hit two switches. It wasn't some weird exploding barrel trick, just the engine doing what it was intended to do, albeit in an unintended way.
The high pitch ring around 0:41 was a little hard on the ears, I dunno if anything can be done about it (and I knows its part of the song) but just thought I'd mention it
But still, amazing video as always, always love a little code deep dive
I concur, it was very annoying.
@@tjg121389 Roughly how old are you two? I can barely hear it.
@@sunny_D I am a 31 yo industrial electrician , I'm used to noise, and high pitched whines and shit coming off of VFD's, and it annoyed the everliving SHIT out of me. Makes my brain go hurty :(
Thank you, I thought it was just me
@@sunny_D What do you mean by that? I'm 35 and it causes my migraine to act up. The ring didn't bother me in the slightest when I was a kid though.
Decino is finally back, missed you my friend. The icon of sin is definitely an interesting enemy, during the fight, I was also scared of those demon cubes he shoots, because if I come into contact, than the telefrag will insta kill me, even with invincibility.
Sooo many new names in the patreon's list! And completely deserved! Always interesting analyses and fun map clears!
I hope some day the list will be so large you'll have to get tired or change the perk))
Someone needs to spawn a -1 cube, and then we'll all place bets on what demon it spawns for 11.4 years - should give tons of time for people to get the pot nice and big.
I vote it spawns an Arch Vile, for 100$ 🙃
Fun fact:
The German Technology is The finest
Is Stroheim the best worst guy or the worst best guy
@@__-ix7qn Stroheim is best waifu
Bakamonoga
@@metagen77 such heresy being said. Speedwagon is best waifu, everyone knows that.
@@zekrinealfa1113 Shaise
To win the game you must first avoid all the god damn bugs. Now I know why all those clever DeHacked mods I made using the Icon would make the game crash for seemingly no reason. Still, when it worked it was pretty cool.
3:18 "Spooky Boys" I see what you did there, Decino.
I happily went over 20 years without noticing that texture, it cannot be unseen
7:43 that scream sounds painful
Sounds memey
The real surprise is that those are actually screams of pleasure from the source.
No one has won the game cause John Romero is still alive
1:10 This is your moneyshot, decino
You made a joke that only the fellow doomers will pick quickly. You are a awesome content creator and also a formidable purist player
8:25
Decino Out of Context
Plot twist: Decino's head is inside Romero's head
So you're saying that Romero has a pumpkin in his head?
Oddly enough, I just killed the Icon of Sin in TNT Evilution about 35 minutes ago. What a coincidence!
From what I've seen in your videos, you're one of the guys who understands Doom the most. This is really cool. Congratulations and thank you.
"To win my heart, you must subscribe to me, Decino." You're welcome.
Also I believe the explosions from a dying Icon can only be seen if the Icon itself is facing South on a map. Any other direction and you'll get nothing.
See: the Icon in TNT Evilution's "Last Call" map faces North, so upon death you'll hear the scream but get nothing.
Hey decino, this video was featured in Cracked article titled "6 Gaming Secrets That Took Forever To Discover" - and they credited you with proper lowercase. :)
_"The Icon of Sin is Doom 2's final boss. Its masterplan is literally giving birth to demons that'll hopefully prevent the main character from shooting it in its comically overexposed brains. (...) If you think Sin's strategy isn't flawed enough already, UA-camr decino found out that, due to some very odd coding, one of the Sin's babies has a gestation period of nearly 11.6 years. So about 11.6 years way too late for anything other than a B-grade revenge-themed sequel."_
Cool, but Doomworld found it. Not me.
I genuinely love these analysis videos. They all have me learn something good and useful about doom. For instance, the armor video showed me that i shouldnt immediately pick up green armor under 100 percent. The rng one are also useful and interesting. Overall, all of your analysis videos helped me so much in playing some wads, and they are all interesting too.
My God this is beautiful, thanks decino! Also.. "Spooky Bois" 😂 👌
Fun fact: Icon of sin can sometimes change his voice when he says that message at the beginning (in unity version at least)
"...oniceD ,em ot emoc tsum uoy ,sgnikrow renni eht wonk oT"
I love these videos so much, I normally only understand a little bit of this stuff, as I'm not versed in coding amd stuff...but THIS is insane, I can't even fathom the complexity of this
8:06 You monster! Can't unsee this.
1:10
What he really say:
To win the game you have to kill me John Romero.
No. He actually says "oremoR nhoJ em llik ot evah uoy emag eht niw oT"
DIOLOGISCH XD do you know how to take a joke?
@@Bruh-pj6dc Do you know how to take a meta-joke?
@@Bruh-pj6dc did I said that is not* funny?
Misheard Line:
EVAN DIED EAT EGGS THE MILK YUM YUM
1:03
I really appreciate that you show the source code in your videos. Gives me something to pause and stare at for a bit. This is one of your best videos.
I just love how much effort, brain power and love is put into this vids and analysis. Decino is a very cool guy and a hidden pearl inside UA-cam algorithm
I paused my black metal when I saw this notification. Priorities
What black metal were you listening to?
Arch Enemy's pretty good
@@voidghost4933 What about archvile
Decino, I really love your content. You're a very nice person. Keep doing what you enjoy, we enjoy it too :)
Thank you so much for having visuals to explain this bosses code, I briefly understood what the cubespawner and cubetarget did but vaguely at best. You've mastered the ability of being informative while entertaining.
Yay a new doom analysis video, this is so awesome because I love to be able to understand how a game works, and especially if it’s doom so thank you so much for making these videos and taking time to analyse the game. You’re the best 👍
The Icon of Sin is actually John Romero's head?? Next thing you'll be telling me Super Mario Bros. 2 is actually Doki Doki Panic in Japan.
And then decino will explain to his audience what VHS tapes are and what they were used for.
Finally a new video from my favourite Doomdaddy!
Thanks Decino. I always enjoy your content, wether it's a playthrough or an informative video :)
I still find it oddly funny when the upbeat 'goonies II' music plays in the Scythe level complete intermission after dying in Map10 and hearing that Romero Head scream. I remember thinking it was a glitch or a wrong exit trap until learning about forced pistol starts.
So this explains why I've been buying any random sigils I've come across for the last quarter of a century....
Oh well, money well spent *cackles in demon*.
He actually says:
"Now that's what I call a Gay Baby Moment"
idk why but the John Romero head freaked me when i was a kid lol
It's really cool how you illustrated the eye entity of Baphomet using the Press Release Beta version of the Partial Invisibility sphere.
i kinda wish the icon of sin and the other bosses were more complicated
the cyberdemon shoots rockets, the spider mastermind shoots bullets and the wall of sin shoots demons
im so confused how the arch vile is soooooo much more annoying than any boss
Yeah, everybody knows about the John Romero head and backmask, but did you know that Super Mario Bros 2 was really a game called Doki Doki Panic? Nobody ever seems to mention that!
You have made the Icon of Sin boss fight unplayable now that I see the gap, THANKS.
8:07 why
Use your imagination and suppose the gap is part of the wall that the Icon of Sin is inside. Problem fixed. No need to thank me.
Living Between Paychecks Kitchen I’ve been playing doom all my life and never noticed that.
Everyone waiting for new Valiant video
decino: _how about no_
*(still a good video)*
buy Sigil-oh wait...i mean *To win the game you must kill me John Romero*
So glad I finally know what the Icon of Sin is saying. All those years of uncertainty, it was a nightmare!
7:56 , added to the list of "Shit I Can't Unsee"
Who else is waiting for Doom Eternal’s Ultra Nightmare Tier List?
Me!
it existes now
0:22 h e l l o
0:01
"To win my heart you must subscribe to me, Decino!"
5:04 this telefragging marathon is JUICYYYYYY
I’m a simple man: I see yellow, I click.
I'm a simple doom Guy noclipping around. I see John Romero's head, I punch!
wack
Not a man but i am still a simple yellow clicker
Aw, sorry Decino, missed this upload somehow. These analysis videos are some of my favorite, keep 'em up DoomGod!
the real oddity of icon of sin might be the whereabouts of his entire body.
Unless he has one but can't get it out
you fight his body and head he is the final boss of doom eternal
"To win my heart you must subscribe to me, decino."
5:16 Was that a Heretic/HeXen type of gibbing animation? I've never seen that in Doom.
It's a PrBoom+ easter egg I managed to capture. Happens rarely.
@@decino how interesting 🤔
@@decino Gives a better image of the archie that gibbed you