NEVER Underestimate Spider-Man - (Spider-Man: Homecoming Retrospective)
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Spider-Man: Homecoming is a 2017 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, co-produced by Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios, and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. It is the second Spider-Man film reboot and the 16th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The film was directed by Jon Watts, from a screenplay by the writing teams of Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley, Watts and Christopher Ford, and Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. Tom Holland stars as Peter Parker / Spider-Man, alongside Michael Keaton, Jon Favreau, Gwyneth Paltrow, Zendaya, Donald Glover, Jacob Batalon, Laura Harrier, Tony Revolori, Bokeem Woodbine, Tyne Daly, Marisa Tomei, and Robert Downey Jr. In the film, Peter Parker tries to balance high school life with being Spider-Man while facing the Vulture (Keaton).
In February 2015, Marvel Studios and Sony reached a deal to share the film rights for Spider-Man, integrating the character into the established MCU. The following June, Holland was cast as the title character, and Watts was hired to direct. This was followed shortly by the hiring of Daley and Goldstein. In April 2016, the film's title was revealed, along with additional cast, including Downey in his MCU role of Tony Stark / Iron Man. Principal photography began in June 2016 at Pinewood Atlanta Studios in Fayette County, Georgia, and continued in Atlanta, Los Angeles, and New York City. The other screenwriters were revealed during filming, which concluded in Berlin in October 2016. The production team made efforts to differentiate the film from previous Spider-Man films.
Spider-Man: Homecoming premiered in Hollywood on June 28, 2017, and was released in the United States on July 7, as part of Phase Three of the MCU. Homecoming grossed over $880 million worldwide, becoming the second-most-successful Spider-Man film and the sixth-highest-grossing film of 2017. It received praise for the light tone, its focus on Parker's high school life, and the performances, particularly of Holland and Keaton. Two sequels have been released: Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) and Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021). A new trilogy of live-action films from Sony and Marvel Studios is in development. - Фільми й анімація
Spider Man Homecoming will always hold a special place in my heart no matter how many Spider Man fans say it's garbo
I wasnt a fan of this movie at first but once I gave the movie a second chance I enjoyed it on rewatch. I still didn't like far from home but i had more fun watching it
I think it's great !
They’re not Spider-Man fans, they’re Maguire fans
@marvelking182 😂 I mean, true.
@@marvelking182 Fr
I’m really enjoying these retrospectives. I look forward to the NWH one. It’s also kind of hilarious how the multiverse premise for that film came to be. They were joking about it and flirting with the idea until someone was like, “why don’t we actually do this movie” and everyone was like “oh, why not”. Comedy gold.
I love that spider-man homecoming has the same feel and style of movies like the breakfast club, some kind of wonderful and the back to the future trilogy
I don't care what anyone says. MCU Spider-Man is my favorite S-M trilogy.
I mean, there are only two but
@@thatmovienitpicker8070 Have you forgotten about NWH
@@ALegendaryBlueHedge no
Raimi Spider-Man and MCU Spider-Man are the only two trilogies
@@thatmovienitpicker8070 Oh sorry, I though you meant the MCU only had two SM movies. My bad
@@ALegendaryBlueHedge that’s goodo
Homecoming Will Always Have My Favorite Take On The Vulture.
Personally my favorite Spider-Man. From this movie on I feel like Tom’s Spider-Man trilogy tells a very great adaptation of the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko 33 issue run of high school ASM comics. The way we see from this point to Far From Home to No Way Home the gradual tone shift from light hearted to dark and emotional, I knew from homecoming that marvel and SONY were going to rid this version of Peter of all of his closest friends and connections, losing Aunt May, MJ Watson, Ned, everything. This trilogy and this version hits harder for me because these movies came out as I was starting and graduating high school myself, now in college I can’t wait to see what they do with Tom Hollands Spider-Man in his college trilogy, hopefully they adapt the Lee/Romita era or comics
I never understood why people think Peter's school is unrealistically so scientifically focused. I went to a STEM magnet school, and everything about the school in the movie was pretty up to par with what I did in classes. My parents had to get a STEM magnet transfer paper to go to that school, and I'd assume that Aunt May had to do the same for Peter.
Its a little unrealistic in the terms of when peter flakes on his team or Liz there is no reactions. His classmates leave him alone which is a little odd because this guy abandoned his teammates all of them should be pissed at him and Peter should have been giving crap for ditching Liz at prom
Yes but I was talking about the logistics of how the school functioned
@TheOutsider Jess they were pissed..kinda . it's just not as harsh, cause they won
@@theoutsiderjess4869That… is honestly an fantastic point
Uh yeah I did too and his school was 100% accurate
Homecoming was actually my introduction to the MCU. Before that I have seen Iron Man when I was small but that was about it. I was a big Spider-Man fan and saw it in theatres. After that I was hooked and started watching the rest of the MCU movies that I've missed out on.
Same. I was aware of the MCU and was watching a few of its movies, but I really got invested when Spider-Man came in.
Spider man homecoming so fire
Iron Man didn't call the FBI on Spidey once he found out he went against him. I think the idea is that after Peter told Tony about the Vulture and the weapons he was selling, Tony tipped off the FBI about it, and they just happened to be there when Spider-Man was.
Definitely the implication. It's similar to Captain Stacy telling Peter that Spider-Man catching the individual car thief actually prevented a sting operation in TASM.
That is exactly what happened my problem with that scene is that Tony never lets peter know beforehand that he contacted the authorities to handle it so to peter it looks he didn't care at all. Which made when tony taking the suit away all the more unjustified as this guy was a bad mentor for the whole movie
@@theoutsiderjess4869 I agree there needed to be better communication. However, in fairness to Tony, with as eager as Peter was to prove himself in this film, it's not a stretch to think he would have still tried to get involved in some way.
@@kabsageigj8941 i can agree with you there Peter was really eager to impress him
this was the first mcu movie i've seen in the cinema
This was the fourth one for me.
Same
Me too
Mine was iron man 3
Mine was Civil War
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That movie was my first time seeing Spider-Man on the big screen
Same
When I was younger i didn't understand that Spiderman himself also had a goal so I was very confused at why exactly Peter wanted to impress tony who was a very bad mentor in this movie(only in this movie) so it annoyed me so much that Peter didn't make his own suit right after Tony took it back because that set up was amazing
"Only in this movie", not really, his first action was recruit this underage child, not tell him all the information, and fly him to a different continent to fight in his battle. That's extremely irresponsible. Tony's a pretty bad person if you actually look at him.
I hope that the next trilogy brings back Mac Gargan first as the Scorpion, then as the MCU's Venom.
It's been a really cool watching your retrospectives of some of my favorite movies ever, and I just finished homecoming cuz it's on Disney plus so this is perfect timing
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man objectively is the most misunderstood version of the character ever. All the Spider-Man fans who’ve hated him and his movies have clearly been so biased against him, probably because in the early years of MCU Spider-Man’s career, there was some toxicity with MCU fans trashing on the Raimi films, and Raimi fans fired back 100 times worse. When we get to Far From Home, it’s so much worse as in that film, the criticisms that movie gets is present in Raimi shills’ beloved trilogy (especially Spider-Man 2: the best of the Raimi trilogy) that they constantly suck off to. One of the only somewhat valid criticisms the Home trilogy has gotten are that they are not emotionally driven. Emotion is still in these movies, but it’s taken a backseat to the comedic, fun style until the apartment scene in No Way Home. Most Spider-Man fans’ interpretation of Spider-Man, which is him being like Raimi’s version, is not accurate to the original Stan Lee comics, particularly the Lee-Ditko era, which is what the Home trilogy takes inspiration from. Sam Raimi himself said that his Spider-Man was inspired by Christopher Reeve’s Superman, so these Spider-Man “fans” want Spider-Man to be like Superman, not Spider-Man. This is why the Spider-Man fanbase, particularly the Raimi fanbase, is the dumbest fanbase ever and one of the most toxic.
Yo I grew up with Tobey and I think is he is the OG Spidey even tho Nicholas Hammond came first, but toms version is just better when he is around the other heroes other than that he trash in all 3 of his on films so many retcons and just go with it's, that I wonder why they just didn't use him as a side character in these major movies. Because he was amazing in civil war, trash in homecoming, good in infinity war, trash in far from home, trash in no way home. I don't like his journey but his nothing to do with comparison to sam raimi trilogy even tho his is miles better I don't compare them because realistically it doesn't work. But tom just doesn't scream spiderman to me after civil war it felt like it was a necessity to just keep him in the MCU even tho his movies are subpar at best I get they tried something new but nah. It justdont work no matter how much ppl argue it just doesn't. May died in no way home like any of us rooted for her and or cared when she was used as THE HOT AUNT TROPE or something funny from time to time then boom dead. Just no emotions or connection. They just did it so she can say the line and so peter can finally "be alone" like everyone wanted. Just to bring everyone who forgot him back in future films. Which I think is garbage. It sucks to say goodbye but it'll hit harder if they just don't come back. At least for this next trilogy have them in the distance in class or something but I doubt it. MJ will for sure be back but I don't trust Marvel anymore like I used to. And don't maybe can save it but they're just as bad. But yeah as a Tobey and Sam Raimi fan I just wanted to defend some of us and let you know we're not all toxic. We just wanted a true spiderman in the MCU and I think civil war was the last time we were super close. Hopefully
@@bigzeezy1733 Great rebuttal argument, especially with the OG defense. I’d give it an over -9000/10. You’ve just proven my point about Raimi shills having such insufferably low IQs and high biases, and I genuinely hate them.
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Watching the The Avengers Civil War trailer scene Spider-Man with captain America’s Shield its is amazing
*Captain America: Civil War
I wish I had the energy for a long comment like I left on the TASM retrospectives but I don't so I'll keep this short and sweet.
I adore this movie. To the point where I consider it neck and neck with NWH. That one has higher highs but Homecoming is just incredibly well-put together. Everything flows well and makes sense. Tom Holland suits the role of a young and plucky Peter Parker very well. He's decently quippy and fun as Spider-Man. (that's important to me as you may have picked up on by now 😅) and I appreciate how he spends some time interacting with the townsfolk.
The Vulture is a major highlight in this movie. One of the best developed and surprisingly threatening Spider-Man film villains. That car scene is just dripping with tension, one of the best scenes in the trilogy. And I might argue across all the Spider-Man movies.
Okay... I have to point this out because it's something I noticed and I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Might be a touchy subject for Raimi SM fans but here gos.
I watched all the Spider-Man films for the first time (excluding Spider-verse) within the last few weeks. I had high expectations for what I'd heard was an iconic scene from SM2. The train fight. And.. I gotta be honest, I couldn't focus on the significance of that scene because my brain was screaming "get away from all the innocent people on that train! Take the fight elsewhere!" So when Doc Ock ends up threatening the lives of the passengers, I feel it was largely Peter's fault they were in danger to begin with. Peter saving them and everyone vowing to keep his secret is a decently meaningful moment (though I personally found it a bit too cheesy to take seriously) but imo it's undercut by the fact that Peter didn't even attempt to get them out of harms way. Unless I'm wrong? Please inform me if there was some quick moment where he did that I missed.
Honestly, it reminds me a lot of the Homecoming ferry scene, (clearly there were some intentional parallels), only that one actually highlighted Peter's error in starting a fight that endangered innocent people.
This is going to be a dumpster-fire comment section. Honestly, Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: 2 are tied as my favorite Spider-Man films. Into the Spider-Verse is a close second.
For the most part it has been chill so far enough time has pass that people who weren't a fan of this movie when it first released like myself either have accepted the changes or our opinion has changed on it
They have been surprisingly okay so far. Nothing like the spamming of "FFH is the worst Spider-Man movie" in the TASM2 retrospective comments section.
@@kabsageigj8941 I've mostly been out of loop with the live action Spider-Man fan base, I was getting back into the comics unfortunately (Zeb Wells' run is trash so far), but there's is no way people actually think FFH is worse than Tasm: 2.
@abraham7018 I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself, but you'll find quite a few people expressing that view over on Channel Pup's TASM2 video.
@@abraham7018 I personally didn't like Ffh and enjoyed Tasm 2 way more I think they're both a mess but with Tasm 2 it's clear where the problem was unlike FFH while enjoyable didn't feel like the right film for a post Endgame movie tonally that and the drone scene really pissed me off so much
The First Spiderman Movie I ever watched
i can't believe this film was released 6 years ago...
Yeah. Pretty nostalgic for me.
I remember when the 2nd cap civil war trailer came out when Spidey appeared i was like 😮 , cuz i didn't even know tasm3 wasnt happening since i didnt really keep up with cbm stuff until then
I cried when I saw that trailer I just found out that Andrew wasn't spiderman anymore and just burst into tears 😂
@@theoutsiderjess4869relatable
That's how I felt about The Amazing Spider-Man Trailer in 2011 and I was sad Tobey wasn't Spider-Man anymore...
U know I've always wondered y people hated this spidey so much or at least complained so much about him being younger. After a while i realized it's cuz we all grew up watching Spider-Man as an adult already instead of reading his stories when he started off as a teenager. Considering it's from the 60s i completely understand y people hate that he's so young cuz most of the "fans" were introduced to Spider-Man when he was already an adult and out of school. For example, Spider-Man TAS features a Peter who's already an adult and trying to get his life together. Another example is the Tobey and Andrew movies, they had him in school for such a short amount of time that u would honestly forget this kid is still just a kid, they rush him graduating either in the same movie or the sequel so that he's not dealing with school issues. Even in Spider-Man 2 when he's in college they show us a few glimpses of it but immediately forget about it or just don't mention it at all for the rest of the movie. I use to feel the same, i wasn't sure if i completely liked Toms version cuz of how young he acts and even sounds, until i realized that i felt like that cuz i was so use to seeing Spider-Man as a grown up for most of my life so when he finally gets a chance to be the teenage Spider-Man that he first debuted as it felt so weird. Eventually i got use to it and really started appreciating this interpretation
Just like how you gave the tasm movies a second chance around the same time I was rewatching the homecoming trilogy all the way from the very beginning. I had to give the spiderman Homecoming trilogy a second chance I wasn't a fan of Spiderman homecoming when I first watched it. On rewatch while I still have the same criticism of the movie I enjoyed it way more the second time around especially now I understand how Jon watts and Tom holland work as a team everything makes more sense to me now I understand their intentions, motivations and goals. I still hate the homecoming suits tho
Haven't watched Homecoming in a while. I remember liking it, but not loving it.
I think the Maguire films always just had a grandeur to them that made them a bigger and better spectacle than Holland even though the latter is in the MCU.
The idea of the adjusting eyes was cool, but the suit looks subpar. Insane how after ASM2 we downgraded in realism. Browntable's video on Marvel's overuse of CGI explains this better than I could. But like most MCU films they put so much in that the overall quality is lessened and the colour grading doesn't help either.
I found Aunt May a pretty nothing character this time, just a walking 'she's hot' joke, a few forgettable characters, honestly I had completely forget about one shocker getting killed and the another taking his place and having a showdown later. At least Ned and the Vulture were entertaining.
I hate how after so much build up and focus on the villains in Homecoming they still haven't brought them back, no hint at the scorpion, the second shocker, the tinkerer. The only one mentioned since was The Vulture and that was a crap post-credit scene for Morbius. Yeah a lot of wasted potential on that part.
There's also one massive pet peeve I have, and it's Homecoming retconning Peter's reaction to Ant-Man going giant in Civil War.
I think they had a bit of a missed opportunity with the Decathalon scene. I think that scene would've felt more Spider-Man-like if Peter's class had lost the Decathalon because he wasn't there. That would've made his classmates distrust him a bit but it felt like Liz just brushed off the fact that Peter wasn't there even though they won.
Also I know a lot of people say that MCU Spider-Man being a fan of the Avengers makes sense in the MCU cuz he's still young in a world full of already established superheroes, but if I'm being honest there have been better interpretations of Spider-Man existing in a universe full of other superheroes that don't make him seem like a kiss-ass like he seems to be in the MCU. For example in LEGO Marvel Superheroes, that Spider-Man seemed more snarky and disrespectful to the Avengers with lines like "You Avenger guys are GREAT... at making a mess." It feels like that Spider-Man is his own hero despite being one of hundreds of superheroes and it feels like he figured that out on his own without Iron Man. I know he was probably a bit older in LEGO Marvel Superheroes tho so maybe it makes more sense that he'd be a fan of the Avengers if he was younger like he is in the MCU. But Peter in the MCU feels more like Spider-Man from the terrible Avengers game. And it just feels wrong to me for Spider-Man to have an arc where he needs to understand that he doesn't need to be an Avenger or be the next Iron Man to be his own hero, it's not that those storylines are bad but they just seem very downgrading as Spider-Man stories. I feel like Spider-Man deserves better stories than that.
Those are just my opinions though. Great video man, keep up the good work 👊
I get what you mean but it wouldn't work as they're a stem school and everyone in that school is meant to be advanced and really intelligent so it wouldn't work if they lost but I do believe they should have gave Peter crap for ditching
@@theoutsiderjess4869 That's a good point man
There are a few other things in this movie that do rub me the wrong way like when the principle let Peter off the hook after Peter ditched both the Decathalon and then detention. I just find it weird how Peter did those things but was let off with probably only a warning cuz the principle thought Peter was a "good and smart" kid. I also find it weird that Aunt May wasn't worried about Peter being Spider-Man in FFH. Those are just little nitpicks of mine that make this movie not as faithful to Spider-Man as it could be but that's just my opinion. It's still a good movie
I almost forgot how pleasing the Stark suit is to look at
yeah. shame it was so overpowered. the new suit looks really fucking good though, i just hope they make the blue a little darker
Very cool
Man I remember watching 7 web heads when spider man was announced to be coming to he mcu
12:13 I don't remember that guy being in the movie.
I surprisingly really really liked this upon rewatch went from a 4-5/10 to a nice 7.5/10
MCU SM films made spidey twitter one of the most pissy fanbases ever. "Cough cough" far from home "cough"
i mean they dude wanted to be left alone and live his life so i don't exactly blame him
@@chaserseven2886yeah, thats true.
Not gonna lie the aunt may changes were relatable for me. She was a the fun aunt that ended up taking full custody of her nephew . She was young and fun. I have an aunt just like that and when I was in high school all my friends would go Gaga over her it’s annoying but it does happen
Young, fun and uninspiring. Aunt May in the MCU was utterly useless that when she dies in NWH, its hard to feel anything
I love the fact that this film was the first in a couple of years in my years, I didn't like a spider-man movie for a little while until a couple of years later I love this film I could relate to a teenage superhero film next to into the spider-verse with miles morales.
Unlike homecoming, far from home for me felt like a two steps backwards I still have small moments of enjoyment with far from home.
No way home gave me everything, I wanted to see for a peter parker journey even seeing three films versions of movie spider-men gave me goosebumps?
Good ol Spider-Man
Who else loves how Pup pronounces 'Peter'
MCU spiderman never left the 'supporting cast member' role even in his own movies. In homecoming he relies on iron man and his tech. In far from home he hands away the eden glasses to mysterio. And in no way home he tries to get dr strange to fix his problems. He is constantly punished for this too which is strange because you'd think he'd learn from the first time that pushing his responsibilities onto someone else isn't the right thing to do, but no he just asks everyone else to do stuff for him and then ends up creating powerful villians or openning up holes in the multiverse
Looking back on these movies I think that is the point this is a spiderman that wants to be a normal kid and live his life this isn't a spiderman that has the responsibility part kicked into his story yet. This Peter wants to rely on an Adult figure but he keeps making the same mistakes in each movie. In homecoming Tony pratically ignored him because of that Peter took on fighting the vulture himself and in turn lost his suit, in far from home Peter just lost a mentor and wasn't able to grieve and relax with his friends find another "superhero" with a similar background to tony and wants to lean on that person because he feels alone, in no way home Peter went to strange because he wanted the easy way out of his problems so he didn't consult Mj, happy or May on what to do with Colleges not accepting them so he went to Dr.Strange for an out and this is where he finally learns responsibility because his actions has immediate consequences in that film. This is where he grows up and stop bejng a kid and learn to use his common sense
@@theoutsiderjess4869 i did like that at the ending of no way home it showed that MCU Spiderman might start to take responsibility for himself and his actions, but I felt like it shouldn't have took 3 movies to see a hint of this. Hopefully the next movie improves on this aspect and has MCU Spiderman act more independently. They should also really stop shoving other characters from the MCU into the movies because I feel that Spiderman should exist outside of the MCU, he is more of a 'hometown hero' than an avenger (yes I know this is his arc in homecoming) so I feel that he could stand in his own without the other heroes interfering
@@benjoman8252 Your criticism of Homecoming and FFH seem a bit contradictory. Homecoming you say he relies too much on Iron Man's tech but in FFH it's bad that he tries to distance himself from it? In FFH he actually does just want to go back to being a small-time hero but he's being forced into these bigger conflicts which facilitates him questioning what kind of hero he is and who he wants to be. These are also very different times for Peter. In Homecoming he is a plucky and gung-ho kid who believes himself ready for the big-leagues. In FFH he went through an event that left him full of self-doubt, insecurity, and grief in his role as a hero.
I think lumping No Way Home into this is kind of ignoring the context. He didn't go running to Dr. Strange as soon as his identity was revealed. He only sought help because he felt guilty for the negative impact the identity reveal was having on his friends lives. That's not him shirking responsibility, that's simply him enlisting an ally's help to undue a villian's actions. Not for his own sake but for his loved ones. His actual mistake/selfish act there was his refusal to take on the natural consequences of the spell himself. (But tbh I blame Strange far more for how this played out)
@@kabsageigj8941 Straight facts.
Never really understood the hate for this movie.
My biggest issues with the movie is Peter’s motivations don’t match up with even his Civil War self. Also I hated that he he punishment for Spider-Man was taking the suit away and Peter gets all depressed
he gets depressed because tony manipulated him into believing he was no good without the suit. by the end of the movie, he learns that it was his own willpower that did all the work, and not the suit
@@CanadianEmbassyMusic yeah, Tony flippn hated Peter so much
6:17 fin.
I sadly....not see Homecoming as a good Spiderman film.....to me MCU Spiderman only felt like Spiderman in the team ups movies (Civil Wars and Infinity War) and No Way Home......the first 2 Sony/MCU Spiderman films are FUN....but no true SPIDERMAN stories, with pretty much Peter not have any real stressing problems like Money or actually Spiderman ruining his own normal life with the exception of losing Liz, this entry was carefree of problems for Peter and Spiderman, and that continue in Far From Home, until NWH actually fixed the issue and give us a true tragic and not easy to just avoid real consequences for both Peter and Spiderman.....also I really think the major problem in those 2 first films is that Peter is not allow to be a hero on his own, is more trying to live up to the expectations of other heroes...hell even NWH, kinda mess up on that in some ways. Not think is a bad film by any means is still in my eyes a solid entertaining movie (8 out of 10 and so Far from Home) but just I get bore rewatching those films, feel like are too lighthearted and no steaks with just a few stand out scenes to break the monotony like the amazing scene stealer of Michael Keaton and Tom Holland discovering who they are in the car...or Mysterio incredible Hologram sequence trapping Spidey in, love those scenes but besides those is just fun and laughs.....despite the amounts of flaws, I prefer to re-watch the AMAZING SPIDERMAN 2 and SPIDERMAN 3 over these 2 entries, because despite their problems they never lose the focus on been TRUE SPIDERMAN STORIES with real struggle and stakes not just in 1 part, really challenging Peter in every way and at the end he lose big in both films but still decide to move on and do what is right, the responsibility on Spiderman shoulders feels heavy in these films, so for me even with all their problems are still leaps better spidey stories than Homecoming and Far From Home.
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To each their own on that cuz he acts like Spider-Man and like a teenager. They are as much as Spider-Man stories as Tobey's trilogy and Andrew's TASM 1 and 2
Not every Spider-Man story, ends in tragedy or ends with big stakes
@@terrellthaddies7867 in peter parker's story it certainly does
Flash in Homecoming is nowhere near " almost as smart as Peter".
This is a fantastic movie. Best since spiderman 2 and only surpassed by no way home. No bs origin, no removing the mask for absolutely no reason, no weird stuff with Brad taking pics of Peter in his underwear, and we got that great, amazingly iconic panel of him lifting the rubble to go save the day. Spiderman at his absolute best. This movie may not have the biggest fights or effects but iron man is there just enough to make it feel like he's not alone in the Sony verse, he chooses to not go way above his rank and salty "close to the ground", his girl is diverse, he just goes and goes and goes. When Tobey wanted to quit, Tom wants to do every single thing he can to be a hero, and he doesn't bite into an obviously empty hotdog buns after ignoring a helpless victim getting fkd up. That wasn't Tobey not being Spidey, that was Tobey being an absolute asshole. At least tell somebody dude, damn. 😊
I’ll never understand how they straight up had Tony manipulate Peter into fighting Captain America, and they just did nothing with it. No repercussions whatsoever.
Pup no offense, i wouldnt listen to vulture or synpathize with him either if i was in peters shoes. Man was a dealer of weapons made out of alien tech and that shit on the streets of mcu bew York would make chicago on a bad day look like paradise. Plus its not like toomes couldn't have either got back into the clean up buisness or try to start up something new, the man had almost half a decade and was still doing what pre to beginning im1 tony was doing but on a smaller scale.
Plus honestly the guys kind of an asshole, he literally threatens a kid who's his daughters date if he stops the obvious bad shit he's doing. Then he accidentally kills one of his own men and doesn't really seem to have any regret doing so, not even much of a reaction. Then let's not forget that he dropped a building on a kid
Or later on that’s where they’re going to have their next clash or final clash.
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I didn't like the unnecessary punishment Peter Parker was getting from Tony Stark and especially Happy Hogan. Or the fact that he was basically Iron man jr.
Also, I really didn't like Michelle Jones. I mean, one moment she insults Peter for no reason. Being weird and sarcastically rude to him. Then she disappears and the next scene she keeps picking on the kid. And then in the next movie, we're supposed to buy that they are a couple? Sorry, I just don't feel it with them. Never have. Don't like her personality. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone had the best chemistry in all the Spiderman movies. And I didn't like how they did shocker. They could have at least given him his iconic outfit. But whatever.
Well have you SEEN Marisa Tomei?
Civil War sucks. But Spidey was well done in it. And Homecoming is still the best MCU Spidey film.
Civil war sux? Explain yourself
@@WL1264 It's the first film where the artificiality of the MCU's worldbuilding became very obvious. The conflict is forced and manufactured and unbelievable. I simply don't buy that these characters, at this point in their development, would do what they do in this film.
Zemo is a terrible villain who is more of a walking plot device than a real character.
They utterly waste Bucky and fail to build on his character and relationship with Steve because the MCU needed to fill out its roster to lead into Infinity War. Half of the existing Avengers don't even really have much of a reason to side where they side, they just do.
The story wimps out because it's afraid to alienate the characters from the audience too harshly so they just boil the overall conflict down to "gotta protect my best buddy" and "he killed my mommy."
Not to mention the utterly bone-headed decision of having Tony recruit a child into his little slap-fight with Cap after....BEING MOTIVATED TO BE PRO ACCORDS BY THE DEATH OF A CHILD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THIS is what a REAL plot hole is. 99% of the clickbaity "plot hole" videos on YT just complain about pointless shit like "How come this and not that!" A plot hole isn't something you want explained and isn't. A plot is not a gap in logic you notice.
A plot hole is something that directly contradicts established motivation, rules, and information in a narrative that was already set up. So if you have a vampire movie where you say "sunlight kills them" and then later show a vampire out in sunlight unscathed, THAT Is a plot hole.
Tony being driven into action by the guilt he feels over the death of a child after the mother confronts him only to...manipulate a child into fighting for him in a conflict he has no grasp of is STAGGERINGLY shitty writing.
Oh, and it's a REALLY ugly looking movie. This was also the first instance where I realized the MCU has a filmmaking problem.
After Ragnarok, Civil War is the most overrated MCU film so far.
@@nope5657 To each their own
@@nope5657 I liked the movie but im glad someone on the internet can actually explain their opinion without either attacking the person who asked, or just saying "its not good cuz i said so"
Will you be doing Into the Spider-Verse as well?
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If I had a nickel for every time a UA-camr I listen to pronounced "Maryland" wrong this month, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
It's pronounced like "Marilyn" with a D at the end, by the way.
The best MCU spider-man film
It's really annoying how they took so many of Miles' elements and gave them to Peter for Homecoming. A young kid living in a world where superheroes are commonplace and trying to impress them (Peter usually figured things out on his own), the advanced school, the chubby sidekick (They literally just took Ned Leeds's name and turned him into Ganke Lee), aging down aunt May into essentially his mom (a lot of Peter's story is about taking care of his elderly aunt and balancing his life between Spider-man and Peter, but the MCU version just removed all of that and gave him Miles' story of trying to live up to the Avengers. No Way Home LITERALLY destroyed what Stan Lee made his core trait.)
The issue is that if they tried making an accurate Miles movie people will call it a Homecoming ripoff because so many elements will be the same.
What core trait was destroyed in NWH?
@@kabsageigj8941 Peter Parker's core is about having to balance his life as Peter (having to take care of his aunt) and being Spider-Man and the MCU version does away with all of that. May takes care of him so he's free to do Spider-Man things, she knows and supports him and then she dies and he doesn't have to take care of her. Stan Lee wrote that Spider-Man struggling with this duality is the center of his stories, but the MCU ignored that and then literally erased Peter Parker.
@ezekielrenon6375 So, going forward, he would presumably be struggling to maintain any personal relationships or a job because his duty as Spider-Man comes first, largely motivated by May's words and actions before she died. I don't see how that erases the duality. It's simply a different take.
Honestly, none of the other film adaptations played into him caring for his Aunt very much either. There were nods here and there but nothing that had a big impact on his decisions or livelihood.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Wrong......just wrong. Nothing about MCU Spider-Man got rid of anything about Spider-Man as a character just cuz he's not Andrew or Toby
Not a fan of how involved Tony was in the MCU Spider-Man series as a whole. I liked Spider-Man better when he had to be more reliant on himself for his tech. And Tony being an overbearing guardian figure to Peter in this film feels fucked up after Tony manipulated Peter into fighting in Civil War. After that Tony ought to have stayed away.
thats kinda the whole point. peter is too trusting and sometimes your idols are corrupt. by the end of homecoming, peter learns what it truly means to be spider man and that he cant rely on others to help him. (which is why i hate far from home because he goes right back to relying on stark tech). but no way home kinda acted as a reboot, because the end of the movie confirms that there will be a new back to basics trilogy where tom hollands peter is actually reliant in his own abilities.
@@CanadianEmbassyMusic I understand...
The whole point was to prove that a bad Spider-Man movie could be made.
Sam Raimi and Marc Webb gave us different interpretations, but both good. It seemed impossible to make a bad Spider-Man movie.
But Watts did the impossible.
@@langreeves6419 how's Georgia for you, Lang?
@@langreeves6419 Lang Allen Reeves
@@langreeves6419 bro lives in snellville
its MARYLAND NOT MERRY LAND
I really think you need to work on your thumbnails man. I think it would genuinely boost your views if these looked more professional. The PS4 models, small Sonic font and amount of empty space isn't very eye catching.
I will never ever underestimate this movie.
It wins the worst movie of all time!
No other movie comes close.
It is THE TOP of bad movies.
I have not underestimated it.
By all means dislike it but that's just corny.
Why do you hate this movie?
@@skylord1846 because I saw it
@@langreeves6419 You can’t even give any reasons why? Come on now.
@@skylord1846 I said it all.
Underestimate? This movie was garbage Period. Even the storyline of PS's Spiderman is better. If Spiderverse 2 is amazing questions need to be asked about Tom Holland movies.
its great. and not "period" because its just an opinion
Okay, but that’s just your opinion tho.
Finally someone who is not afraid to say it. The MCU spiderman is fucking trash. It took the third movie to launch a desperate attempt to fix the spiderman.
Iron boy🤓☝️
bro this darkile guy literally just copy pasted his comment and used it as a reply under your video
@darkile5459 You good bro? Lmfao
I guess the distaste for MCU Spider-Man will be always be here especially in the comments
This is by far the WORST film adaptation of Spider-Man that I’ve ever seen . He’s not Spider-Man he’s more of “Spider boy “.
Agreed
Uh, yeah, that's the point.
That’s literally the point bro.
homecoming is fantastic . its Far From Home that is TRASH. far from good i'd say.
finally someone who agrees. it made sense for tony to be peters mentor in homecoming, because the entire movie is about him becoming his own movie. far from home erases all of this and makes the movie about him becoming the new iron man. The movie is torn between making a tony stark tribute and a superhero teen romcom. I understand that tony stark dying was a big event but undoing everything about peters arc to make him the replacement was not the right way to pay tribute to the character. the new trilogy holds promise though.
@@CanadianEmbassyMusic exactly! Homecoming SHOWS peter knows responsibility because back in civil war he tells Tony that monologue and then in homecoming we see him disobeying Tony’s orders not just to ‘become an avenger’ but because he knows it’s his responsibility to do something since he has the power to do so.
In far from home he does the most UN Spider-Man thing ever. Like Peter Parker would feel like he doesn’t want to do something but he’d still do something but in far from home he’s forced he’s just dragged along and only after his mistake does he decide to do something and it’s mainly just to fix his OWN mistake not just responsibility shit . And then no way home may gives him that responsibility speech. Istfg 💀 he knew this before. The snap killed him not memory wipe him smh
This isn't a Spider-Man movie
Everything was about Iron Man
lol it is a spider-man not everything was about iron man, maybe watch it again
Just say you've never watched it
It's a spider-man movie it's just a different type of spider-man story than you're used to and that ok
I just rewatched this movie I enjoyed it way more the second time around than the first time around even though I had the same criticism i had the first time around I understand the movie better on rewatch and it feels more charming
@@theoutsiderjess4869 yeah same i love that the mcu spider-man trilogy gives me the same feelings like the back to the future trilogy
I think this was the best of the homecoming trilogy but still painfully mid, I respect your love and appreciation for it tho
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