Are Christian Women Trapped in Biblical Gender Roles? | God is Grey
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Brenda, please put ads in your videos so we can support you more ❤️ love you.
Very good idea.
I know there is a process they have to go through and specific subscriber count they have to meet before they can monetize. But I agree. I’d watch her ads. ❤️
Yee
Wait, she doesn't have ads??? I have premium so I had no idea! Yes, Brenda, please get your stuff monetized!
I agree💕💕
Because of how I was raised it the church, I used to have this disgust for religion. I thought all religious people were the same, who thought being gay was a sin and other things too. But not too long ago you did a live stream with Mr Atheist. I decided to follow you and it didn't take long for you to get rid of that disgust in me.
I greatly appreciate the work you do thank you
Despite being an atheist with somewhat of a distaste for religion, your channel is now one of my favourites. You don't hesitate to ask challenging questions, you're arguments are reasoned and highly insightful, and you engage bigoted individuals with astonishing tact. Keep being awesome.
I too am an atheist and I absolutely adore God is Grey. I just subscribed because i love the way she speaks and presents herself.
This channel makes me want to go to church again. As long as church is filled with awesome people like you.
"following Jesus is what made a Feminist out of me"
I'm in love
It's funny, that's what made me an Egalitarian.
God Bear
Do you think "egalitarian" and "feminist" are full synonyms? 🤗🤗
@@javiersamuel8172
Feminism is a part of Egalitarianism. You can't be an Egalitarian then be against the fair and equal treat of a specific unchosen group of people. The reason I don't call myself a feminist is because they focus specifically on female issue while I focus more on whoever needs it at the time.
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"The people that hate women more than anyone else on this planet are feminists.
They hate women. They want women to be men. They don’t want them to be women."
Paul Washer
“Complimentarianism" is the theological view in Christianity, that men and women have different but complementary roles and responsibilities in marriage, family life, religious leadership, and elsewhere. Complementarians assign primary "headship" roles to men and support roles to women-based on their interpretation of certain biblical passages. One of the precepts of complementarianism is that while women may assist in the decision-making process, the ultimate authority for the decision is the purview of the male in marriage, courtship, and in the polity of churches subscribing to this view.
This theology can be incredibly damaging and oppressing to many women. It is a restriction solely based on gender. It's sexism, point blank. Some have criticized complementarianism as promoting a power imbalance that facilitates abuse. Many Christians (especially men) completely dismiss women that express the deep spiritual trauma this theology causes.
On the flip side, Christian egalitarianism, also known as biblical equality, is egalitarianism based in Christianity. In theological spheres, egalitarianism generally means equality in authority and responsibilities between genders, in contrast to complementarianism. Gender equality is biblically sound in Christian church leadership (including pastors and elders) and in Christian marriage. Its theological foundations are interpretations of the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and other New Testament principles. It refers to a biblically-based belief that gender, in and of itself, neither privileges nor curtails a believer's gifting or calling to any ministry in the church or home. This entails women being able to exercise spiritual authority as clergy. In marriage, it means both the husband and wife mutually submit to each other, sharing leadership. There is no gender hierarchy. We should always includes Ephesians 5:21 when its comes to marriage. An equal partnership in Christ is a beautiful thing.
This theology liberates women to use their giftings and abilities in any capacity. If she has a calling to be a pastor, or has strong leadership skills, she is free to use her God given talents in both the home and church. She is listened to. She is valued. She is given the same respect and opportunities as her brothers in Christ. She is seen as a co-heir to the Kingdom.
Jesus liberated women. Christians today should do the same.
The men because they are treated so horribly, they are working on abolishing the womb. Yet women make demands and men do what they demand, Women cry; "Childbearing is barbaric and pregnancy should be abolished," wrote feminist Shulamith Firestone in The Dialectic of Sex.
The Artificial Womb could soon be a reality; ua-cam.com/video/rM2lBqzJ-NY/v-deo.html
Read the comments, see how broken they really are.
Ruach Hako'desh what are you even talking about? What you’re saying has nothing to do with what I posted. I am talking about theologies here, not “artificial wombs”.
@@LunaLaVenus Women wanted to become men, and wanted to be liberated from yourselves. Womb-man minus the womb is man. Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. You shall reap what you sow.
Men were given the earth, but to whom was the men given to? To whom has the hearts of men? So guess who really has the control? Hint it is not the men. Why don't you go into the wilderness, build your own house, and plant your own food? Because your are an extortioner and an oppressor, who trust in oppression, in extortion, and puts vain hopes in stolen goods. So who is really oppressing who?
At gun point your fathers are subjected to economic coercion as a form of violence to live under the under the yoke of oppression and reducing them to a mere instruments of debt enslavement and/or labor exploitation. Treacherously conscripting children, has tools of warfare, tools to enact cruel treatment, tools to inflict suffering, tools for purposes of punishment, intimidation or coercion, and enslavement.
Using laws, customs, and political power to deny the rights of males, legitimizes there victimization, denies there humanity. Psychological Torture, infliction of mental suffering, debilitation, Isolation, solitary or quasi-solitary confinement, degradation, deprivations, threats of death or violence, to self or others.
At gunpoint your father's are severely abused, subjected to egregious torment, basic human rights systematically abused through extrajudicial killings, torture, forced displacement or homelessness, emasculated, tamped down, and killed without any concern. Deliberate deaths that serve as 'a form of mass murder as the 'unlawful executions" the 'killing of other humans without justification. Torture in general, meaning the use of psychological and/or physical methods of torture. The use of these methods in many ways makes victims feel responsible for what is happening to them, inducing feelings of fear, shame, guilt and grief, as well as intense humiliation.
All for what? Enforcing the responsibility of Children, forced child care, and forced responsibility of children, yet the leading excuse for abortion is just that, avoiding responsibility of Children. Killed by the millions to avoid responsibility. 2010-2014, an estimated of 56 million children are chop up each year worldwide. How many people died in ww2? 60 million people, it is a holocaust every year. How do we justify this under law of justice, equal, and fair treatment? Where is the egalitarianism? Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion. Using the 2010 abortion rates, in ten years that five hundred sixty million. In 20 years alone women will have killed more children then all the wars ever killed people, and all of them combined. Where's the equality? Shouldn't these women face 20 years in prison that they force men to face for the same reasons that these abortions are being used for, the avoidance of the responsibility of a Child?
Abortion was legalised by the Nazi eugenics programs, Lebensborn Nazi's breeding program, for disabled children, or other unwanted. When 94% of abortions are the avoidance of the responsibility of a Child, what do you think the state considers all women now? Disable and unfit to raise children and/ or undesirable to reproduce, this is what you are saying. "You are to irresponsible and/or incompetent to have children therefore you need to abort them." Children are raised by the state, and soon will be conceived, developed, and engineered in state-owned breeding centers.
@@ruachhakodesh8143 😂😂😂😂😂 Such ridiculousness you just spouted. Thanks for the laugh!
@@LunaLaVenus Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse. Coercive control designed to subjugate through, humiliation, guilt, coercion, or manipulation, and so forth. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
You are the daughter of your mother, who loathed her husband and children. You are also the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and children. The clothing you wear, Did you sew it together? Or did someone else use the works of there hands to produce it for you? Someone else builds your home, someone else grows your food, someone else builds your cars, and so on, and so on. Your are an extortioner and oppressor living off the poor of the world.
The narrative that men must compete with one another, to prove there value to women and provide for there needs, is the creation of patriarchy. Now then 99% of coal miners are men. 100% of electrical power line installers are men. 100% of roughnecks (work the oil drill) are men. U.S. electricity generation by Fossil fuels (oil) 62.9%, by coal is 29.9%, thereby showing that 92.8% electricity generation is by the labor of men. Think about that when you turn on the lights, instead of telling them how much scum they are for being your personal salves. 100% of heating, air conditioning and refrigeration mechanics are men, 99% of roofers are men, 92% of construction workers are men. You want power and influence in society, but where are you when it comes to most fundamental level of society building the homes? No households, no society, and if you don't want to be mothers. Then let the fathers care for the households and raise the children and you go clean the sewers.
Hey there,
I’m an atheist who discovered your channel from Mr atheist. And I have to say, despite my lack of belief in god, I really do appreciate your videos. In my current area, I have a lot of Christians around me, especially those who follow a lot of these mindsets you challenge. Your channel has opened my eyes to a new perspective, and I really do appreciate you
What do you think about climate change? I have been a climate activist for years now, because I was active in church as a teenager. Is this a topic discussed in american churches as well?
In my church, climate change doesn't exist. It's not acknowledged at all.
At this point I'm ashamed to even be associated with that church
THE MOST IMPORTANT & IGNORED TOPIC IN THE AMERICAN CHURCH
I have never been interested in the climate change per se, but lately as I contemplated similar topic and what we should do I came to the conclusion that God gave us the earth to care about it and animals. That is why I believe as long as we are here, we should do anything we can to make this place better and help the environment. And also that is why I believe bible is pro vegetarianism/veganism. Not opposed as some people try to suggest. But it's not mandatory.
God is Grey a lot of churches believe in protecting the environment
@@Eale16 Wait... doesn't the Bible say that part of the purpose of some animals by God's design was to provide nourishment for humans after the flood? Everything that moves, just as the plants were given for food before that? I'm not trying to say Scripture is ANTI veganism/vegetarianism, it's just a sincere question that I'm wondering about because I haven't heard of veganism/vegetarianism being linked to Scripture before. It's an interesting thought to me even though I personally eat animal products. 🤔
Besides that I totally agree with you that it's our job to take care of the planet, and I think it's really irresponsible how some churches claim climate change isn't a Thing, or it's a Thing but it isn't caused by man. God gave us the brains to discover science, and that science is telling us we're killing the Earth He gave us due to those same brains developing everything since the Industrial Revolution.
Getting a God is Grey feminism video makes monday into a good thing.
So much wisdom in this video, thank you ♥️
Also Brenda when you said "if I can call it that" about your ministry I wanted to shout YES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY CAN! You have a beautiful ministry that is so full of grace and love. Don't let its significance to be diminished 💞
Could you do a video on female ordination?
I've grown up in churches with female ordination. My mother is a retired ordained minister. Women are a vital part of any church's ministry. This would include the role of ordained leadership.
I'm Christian but Egalitarian. I chose Egalitarianism over simply being a Feminist because one I don't want *anyone* from an *unchosen* group of people to be treated unfairly. It doesn't matter your race, country of origin, sex, G.I.D., or sexuality, or ect. Everyone should have equal right, privileges, and *opportunities.*
The second reason I don't title myself as a feminist is because of a problem that *A LOT* of social groups face and that's *tribalism.* People tend to ignore the wrong doings of people in their groups while attacking people outside of their group for the same things. Feminist are no different. They ignore sections of Feminism that are against trans women and sex workers. They ignore it when people like Hillary called black teens "super predators" or when Michelle Obama said that women were the primary victims of war completely ignoring all the dead men that died in those wars. Also there was a female feminist politician from Canada that said that "we should put men in zoos, and check them out like library books." and nobody in any Feminist camps check her on this statement. I don't want to be a part of any group that suffers from tribalism of this degree.
👏👏👏any reason why you say equalitarian over humanist?
@@strive8793
Humanist, Equalist, Egalitarian all parallel social groups that are all good. I picked Egal just because it has the best definition.
...You can't be a christian and an egalitarian who thinks that trans people and sex workers are okay. You might have faith, but you fail as a christian when you don't accept & obey God's ways.
Carly V.
Then, where is the *FREE WILL* ??
What an awesome conversation! I thank God for you and these wonderful messages.
this is such an interesting topic Brenda! i love your channel so much 💜
I see a lot of I’m not a feminist but I love everyone regardless of age sex race or gender .......but god created all of those things beautifully. These things make me an image of god! They are all apart of me and I love those traits of me. Why not let your self be a feminist. Why not support equality for women. Why not love women and want them to be treated kindly and fairly
G G no I totally understand that is not what “I’m not a feminist” means.However the definition of feminism is to have equality for women the same way men have equality amongst them self. not that I want anybody to submit or subscribe to a label that they’re not comfortable with but I don’t believe in labels as in final God is grey is the epitome of this she is a Christian however some of her viewpoints are very different and even controversial to what most people might consider Christian values it even offens her when people call her not a real Christian for having these beliefs. in the same way being a feminist doesn’t mean you agree with all feminist it simply means that you support the right of women to be equal to men. I don’t mean to offend you when I say “just call yourself a feminist” I just mean that the word shouldn’t be taken as an insult or a burden to carry. I’m just really passionate about this because it just reminds me of how my people treat each other black people don’t necessarily want to be associated with darker tone people because of the connotation that other people have given to us. So you might hear a child say I’m not dark skin I’m brown skin as if the dark skin connotation was a rash that she would be left with and forced to defend her whole entire life. I would hate to see this in the women’s community where being a feminist doesn’t mean that you support equal rights between men and women ,it means that there is something more sinister or something more complicated to the word.In reality I would totally love people to ditch the labels and just love one another as Jesus intended however I know that it is important to speak up and voice my opinion’s when I feel someone is not being treated equally that’s all I meant by that I’m sorry if I offended you in anyway.❤️😊
Not all women are created equal just like all men are not created equal. We're individuals, colorful!
Off topic but you really remind me of Uma Thurman, you're so pretty! Loved the video by the way, really informative
This interview ladies!!!!! I am truly moved & deeply touched by both of your wisdom, grace & beauty. This spoke to somewhere deep within me. I wish I could just have a weekly coffee date with you both!!
The reflection around the Church being a place where we should be thriving the most & feel we can be our truest self - oh wow what a beautiful vision & what a world it if that were true!
Also our identities being rooted in knowing how much we are beloved by God & living from that place! That struck a chord in my heart!
Also, the wilderness being a place for deep intimacy with Christ - oh I needed that - thank you!!
'We miss part of the image of God if we aren't all at the table' - Oh Sarah that was so beautifully put that you understand Jesus better when you open up to other people's walks with Him!
You are both doing such an incredible work in the name of Christ! I am so happy there are Christians like you both!
Hey Brenda. I love this video, and I love what you do. You might be interested to know that the word Ru'ach (the Hebrew word for Holy Spirit) is feminine. Also, the New Testament consistently uses female pronouns. The Holy Spirit is a she....... and if that doesn't tell us that women have a place in God's Kingdom, I don't know what does.
No I am not a she, but you have a holy mother that I can not send out to you for you are all murders and hate me the living father, and thus hate my wife also.
Isaiah 45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto his FATHER , What begettest thou? or to the WOMAN, What hast thou brought forth?
Isaiah 50:1Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is YOUR MOTHER PUT AWAY.
Malachi 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your SPIRIT, and let none deal treacherously against THE WIFE OF HIS YOUTH.
Isaiah 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the ROCK (Father) whence ye are hewn, and to the HOLE(Mother) of the pit whence ye are digged.
For it is written they twain shall be one body, the rock that was struck and waters of creation gushed forth, but you know like I said you are all murders and I have to hear everyday that you will murder this women, your mother from heaven.
@@ruachhakodesh8143 , roleplaying as the Holy Spirit. I don't think She'd appreciate such an ego.
My favorite UA-camr and my favorite author together at the same time-my heart! Brenda, will you be at the evolving faith event in October?
I'm a christian, and I'm not a feminist. but i used to be. or at least, i used to call myself a feminist. i never thought my faith was at odds with my feminism. even when other religious people rejected feminism, I clutched it tighter. I always thought that a god of love would love women as much as men, and I still think that. actually, the reason I dropped the feminist label had nothing to do with my faith. I respect people who call themselves feminists, even though I dont anymore. and perhaps i would even be open to reclaiming the label some time in the future. I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not aching for a label, right now. my goal for today is to just treat others kindly, regardless of gender, of race, sexuality, anything, as I feel jesus would have done. the label is less important to me than the action.
I haven't read jesus feminist, yet. but I'm going to.
You should look into *Egalitarianism.* It's an all encompassing term that sounds like it would be right up your alley if you're ever looking for a new label.
Okay. I have a question: Is "I am a christian" not a label too, as it carries a certain set of symbolic beliefs?
@@moffrofflplock600 my thoughts exactly. When I was in church people hated the term feminism and wanted to focus on the extremists to say why they didn't like the term, then turned around and proudly proclaimed the label Christian and got offended when some labeled them with the extremists. It's definitely a bias. Hearing them trying to justify it was hilarious.
Same. To all of that
@@moffrofflplock600 I also agree actually even though I label myself a christian because I am a follower of Jesus. There are alot of labels out there but some people seem to think that theirs are more valid than others, and I also think that alot of people forget that God didn't create religion, and its made pretty clear in the new testament that your religion wont save you, so this whole thing of Christian's saying that their religion is better than all others is just so hypocritical and just not true.
off topic, but i love your hair!!!
also the back lash destroyed dating because in the 1990s we got I kiss dating good by which took complementarianism courtship to the extreme.
Not sure if this is too out of reach but a conversation with Hannah brown would be really cool to hear!
&would bring a lot of attention to your channel
That is an awesome idea!
Claive U I would love that because of all the crap she go from Christians, but she would get a lot of love in this environment , (which she deserves).
I think the problem with modern day feminism and why many Christians find it problematic is because it’s become synonymous with abortion “rights” which is absurd because feminism has historically been led by many grounded Christian women who were typically against abortion, but that topic has become one of the only way your defined as a “feminist” In Today’s view. I like the New Wave Feminist, they’re actually pro life women who are atheist I believe, and many of the followers on Instagram are of different faiths etc... that’s just my thoughts on feminism today. I really don’t care if people label themselves as feminist.
Hi! New sub here Haha I really like your channel, it gives a different point of view on religion and makes you question what you believe in. Lost of love from Mexico 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Following Jesus is also what made a feminist out of me
I'm a straight man btw
The way we men have treated our sisters in humanity in the past and present is despicable. Let's make it right.
I am a woman, and thank God for men like you.
Loved this video! I think God spoke to me through the conversation between you & Sarah. When you asked about how to know if something came from God or not & she said to ask if it was something Jesus would say & to ask what kind of fruit it was bearing, I thought that seems like exactly what God would want us to do. I'm going through some problems at work & am not sure there's a place for me there. This really helped so I think I'm going to start asking what Jesus would say about my situation. I know that it's definitely not producing good fruit, at least not for me because it's harming my mental health. Wow... As soon as I typed that, the words "there's your answer" popped into my head. Maybe God does want me to fight how things are going. I'm not usually one to talk much about what I'm going through but there it is. This is definitely a safe space for me. Thank you so much for such an enlightening conversation. Would love to hear more in the future from the two of you. God bless 💜
God is a feminist tf? Like he wouldn’t give women wonderful and smart brains and talents to just NOT use them.
Talk about inspiring women! What a beautiful conversation
Thank you for this interview. I came away feeling part of me was fed and smiling. Love u both.
My beloved you guys are missing something,Christianity is not meant to bend to our several feelings,but our feelings are meant to be subject to God’s word.You can’t save people by smoking and drinking just to make them relax.This is not the gospel my dear,it is a motivational speech
I’m a Christian but I won’t consider myself a feminist but rather an equalist, I believe in the equality of everyone theirs no such thing as superiority, inferiority theirs just uniqueness in everyone as such makes everyone equals.
Dragon Fox I always liked this view as well
Dragon Fox do you think women should be pastors?
Jack R um I grow up with women pastors all my life
That's what feminism means. Equality for everyone. It doesn't mean females subjugating males. So you are a feminist.
As a woman I will only use the label of being an equalist too.
Oh. My. Gawd. I’m fangirling so hard.
Very good, I got a lot out of this one, very constructive. I like her general stance and faith--the best moments for me: her great take on Paul and the Early Church, couldn't agree more--women's place in the beginning of the movement, excellent. The 'how to do counter-cultural correctly;' and the test we should apply to everything of 'Does this sound like something Jesus would say?" Very good, very positive and constructive, helpful. I love her faith in the love of God, her description of the Kingdom, etc. Good job, this builds--the best way to chase away the darkness: let in the light. Loved it
I am an atheist, former fundamentalist, if I ever go to church again it will look like this.
This only because this type of church is atheist just as you are and this is why you like it...
@@WujekObamy Your assertion being that unless someone believes the way you do isn't really a Christian? Just like many other denominations think you're not really a believer for exactly the same reason.
@@kriss1956 you are an atheist and you don't believe in God's existence.
In the same time you like what she says and she supposed to be a Christian. If she is you would hate her the same way you hate "fundamentalists".
John 15:18-19: "If the world hates you, you should realize that it hated me before you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as one of its own. But because you do not belong to the world and I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you."
You are from the world and that is why you love her as she's from the world just like you:
1Jn 4:5: "These people belong to the world. That is why they speak from the world's perspective, and the world listens to them."
Yeah all the churches well some that I went to that kind of scared me thought women only make babies
Thanks for doing this interview, one of the most refreshing interviews on faith I've heard in a long time (aside from Brenda herself!)
Lawdy, our world is in trouble! :D
It's alright though. People are waking up exponentially & things are changing for the better. Peace on Earth
Btw the first feminists started in a Christian movement.
The stupid stereotype for Christian women being housewives is an out of date not needed anymore.
Fascinating as this is, aren't the vast majority of women in the Bible mentioned because they are mothers (of men)? Whenever someone says the Bible is feminist I think of, really, a lot of the things Brenda has already mentioned. Sexist period laws and so on. The bible is very, very, very patriarchal. All leading up to a man who is the ruler of all creation, a total and complete patriarchy. That's about a patriarchal as you can get, right? And he was the son of a teenager who was asked by an all-powerful God to have his child. How can a vulnerable teen say no to the God she's been taught to obey? I mean he's God. So there' kind of a power imbalance, right? Sorry for the buzz-kill. But that's how I feel.
Please read.theseason.org
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. So, getting some info, I literally just googled "lists, women, mothers" and a list of women in the bible came up. The vast majority are mother's or daughters of far better known biblical men. And yes, the Pharoah's daughter saved Moses. Who grew into a man. A man who would go on to play a larger role than her. You see the pattern.
Yes, a minority of women have actual roles. Though Esther is the only one you mentioned who is unambiguously heroic in a truly grand scale and selfless way. Eve sinned (by sin I mean disobeyed her male creator) then seduced her husband into sinning. And brought down humankind. Lydia is barely mentioned. What mention there is tells about her being rescued by famous and powerful men. Martha is berated by Jesus for doing her job.
The Catholic church does have truly inspiring women sts. Though the vast majority are men.
I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. There is a minority of women in the Bible portrayed as powerful. They are though, a handful in a male-dominated book. Cheers.
@@helixmoore7636 Link not working. :/ Visited the site, not sure what you're referring to.
Hey about the menstruating laws I would like to tell you that the patriarchal tradition is not the dominant one in the bible. Even if you just consider leviticus the word used means to set aside (because it is holy) as such the menstruating women is not a bleeding dragon that eats men as breakfast, no, it is breaching the jewish cosmology by being something holy in their own right. (I took this from: Wholly woman holy blood.A feminist critique of purity and impurity by Kristin de Troyer. Especially I am referring to the article The semantics of taboo: menstrual taboos in hebrew bible by Kathleen O'Grady). And a very interesting thing I noticed: Most non-menstruating persons seem to be naturally drawn to menstruating persons if they're menstruating (to some extent gender breaching, though this is not the case for everyone). So I get your point but I think the problem is more about language and history (e.g. the second council which made the bible) than the content (though this is disputable)
@@jeremiahbok9028 it is the old and new Testament with a strongs concordance making it easier to comprehend
Sarah Bessey is awesome and this conversation was FANTASTIC!!! I loved everything about this! ❤️❤️❤️ Also Sarah’s Canadian accent was on-point in this. I’m also Canadian and live maybe an hour away from her and even I could hear it in her “about’s”... so great. Also - totally already have my tickets for the livestream of Evolving Faith and psyched about it. Thanks for being another strong and beautiful voice in this growing space, Brenda. ❤️
But (sorry if you answer this later) how do you reconcile how women were regarded in the Old Testament and the Law when that's meant to show God's own design for a society? Why would it reflect that type of declassing of women?
Show GIG all the love!!! Keep doimg what you do!! Push those boundaries!! Love your approach and your research! ❤
Jerry Foulwell - Love it!!
Thank you for this discussion, Brenda! I had multiple aha-moments and got very very nourishing food for thought. I'll have to look up Sarah's book now :D
Why did God write a book that can so easily be used to oppress and destroy people? Why is he so incompetent?
Man wrote the Bible(s) saying that it is God's word. There is no proof of this of course
Unfortunately the Bible was written by men, not God. Therefore the whole of it is fallible, though even me saying so would be chalked up to blasphemy.
@AyanoGender999 for me, the Bible has never been God but something to go to second after meditation...even so to read it like a gleaner separating the grain (truth) from the chaff (falsehood). Those who take the Bible literally are bent on making it an idol...forgetting God in the process.
The Hebrew and the Greek are hard to translate imho. And you are right it has been used especially by males to make womens lives miserable. A Strongs exhaustive concordance makes the Bible have a much clearer meaning. Theseason.org
@@BlueLemons_96 Yeeeeeep I commented on another video saying basically the same thing: that the Bible isn't infallible because it's been handled by man for far too long through far too many translations with far too many agendas, so it shouldn't be used as a weapon to browbeat people with.
I was promptly told I wasn't a "real" Christian by three *men*.
Shocking.
Brenda I love you so much. Everything you say brings so much peace to my heart and that is how I know it's from God
The problem with identifying as a feminist is the branding. It is a lot like the Republican brand. Maybe you aren't a mysoginist who pretends to be Christian while you support racism and are fine with poor people starving, but if you introduce yourself as a republican rather than letting people get to know you first you are going to have a difficult time convincing people that is true.
I believe that woman have gotten a raw deal in a lot of ways, but unfortunately the radical feminists have advanced the narrative that all men are mysoginists and evil, and if you call yourself a feminist most people are going to assume you believe the same thing.
It's good to be "on your own team", but bad to suggest your team is "women" rather than "decent humans" because it creates a men vs women false dichotomy.
PUMPKIN GODDESS!!!!!!
Do a video on climate change please
This entire channel is so refreshing! I'm Orthodox and we're taught that the Bible is the "Word of God written by *men* ". The Bible is only supposed to be one of three parts of being Christian. A lot of your positions are conclusions I came to years ago but it's so difficult to talk about it to U.S. fundamentalist Christians! It's like talking about the actors for Romeo and Juliet but realizing that the you've watched two different movies! The entire premise and mindset is totally different. Your encouragement of keeping an open mind is quite positive! Enjoy your content a lot Brenda!
I rarely see Orthodox Christians being sexist, but priests and fundamentalists often are. Moderates are not. I am from Russia
Thank you for the great video
Rachel died!?! What, I just bought her book and I’ve been loving it. I felt drawn to it at the bookstore.
I believe you guys love the lord, but there is a challenge to y’all ministry,you are showing people how not hurt people,but how do y’all think we can maintain discipline as Christians if we should welcome everyone as they are and let them remain that way ,thanks
I know youre not asking me but it was a good thought provoking question..
Id wager...doesnt it take discipline not to hurt others? Lol. I like to think so. Therefore they might not be mutually exclusive. And positive change might feel tough but it shouldnt *hurt*. Maybe what youre thinking of is agreeableness...and it takes discipline to not be too agreeable. For me anyway. Women do show more agreeable traits on average
I think it is an illusion to believe that any human can change another human. Ultimately, we change because we want and sometimes God is involved. When he is, we still have to be the ones willing to pay attention and keep awareness.
@@bio.Luminescence hmm I have to disagree.. Ive changed my views on things a handful of times, largely because of other people..even in some cases a behavior of mine was changed by a single conversation. Depends on how open a person is
Totally, but YOU decided to change even then. Why? I don't know the context, perhaps you found a better way or a better idea, or it felt right to you. Or maybe you felt guilty because you harmed someone unintentionally. Bottom line, I agree with you. As a matter of fact, a genuine feeling of love and compassion can even change a serial killer, if they are willing to be loved for what they may perceive as the first time. Over time, non-judgment can give a person enough freedom to change on their own, and in even in the most extreme of cases, make a person believe they CAN change and move on from their past. "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (John 20:23)
vanessa benoit ye you opened up a good window for me here and I concur,but I just need y’all to balance the “How” of discipline like Christ did because looking at him,he was tough a few times on sinners,although he was tougher on religious folks.I don’t see videos that balance these things made by liberals,but it will help us know if it’s mercy you preach or compromise
House wives in this day and age.... not realistic. Most families have to work. The cost of living has gotten to the point where both spouses need to work to survive. It isn't fluff money but survival. Rent, mortgages, bills, and food take way more money than one persons income. Reality check to these people who think otherwise.
You cant be a feminist while christian because christianity supports women being dependent on men. Marriage was origionally used for exchange of women between tribes. In the bible, it says women should be slaves. No offense but you are trying so hard to keep you conflicting ideas in balance, but if you break it down logically it cracks under the surface. You are a good person at heart, but you want to have your cake and eat it too.
As a guy I have to say the biggest turnoff for me with Christianity is the whole white/male god thing. It is barely ever mentioned and when I bring it up I am ignored. It carries this very negative toxic masculinity with it and I hate it so much. No one ever criticizes it or seems to care but me and I guess that guy who wrote the shack🤷🏻♂️. I am glad people are pointing out that being a Stepford wife should be forced on noone at least. But to be a guy and call out the toxic masculinity just usually results in either being insulted or completely ignored. I dunno just my thoughts.
ur misrepresenting the very concept of Christianity with the word toxic masculinity?.and furthermore the very fact that u would exepress u views on the white concept of juses goes to show u the lack of understanding as it pertains to culture, as well the core doctrine of Christianity.
Bruh. You need to watch David Bentley Hart
A grown man named Seth left a comment here basically stating that Christianity, conservatives & capitalism sucks. He said that he had been bullied in school & on a job & now has ptsd & was too scared to work.
We've all seen or perhaps know someone, children who are severely deformed, handicapped, crippled. Perhaps some have been severely burned or had limbs blown off in combat. It's heartbreaking!
Seth is healthy & enjoys skateboarding & listening to punk rock on vinyl records on his spare time, something he has lots of because he won't work. My guess is Seth still lives with mommy & mommy pays the electric bill so Seth can play video games, & keep his phone charged so he can whine & seek attention in chats.
I suggested instead of blowing his fucking brains out, he spend more time outside while maintaining a healthy diet & doing vigorous exercise like lifting weights & doing wind sprints etc. while putting in job applications, everywhere, then begin looking for a girlfriend, or just go to a bar, get drunk, maybe get laid, or get in a fight, test himself.
I also suggested he look into serving in the military, that it would discipline him & give him confidence. If the military doesn't suit him, look into trade school. Take a course in welding, something. Anything! Just stop being a whiney little manchild! It's creepy & weird!
Spartans: By 14, the boy is a survival expert. By 18, the best warrior on Earth.
Vikings: Age 6, boy learns Glima. Age 18, is a survival expert & skilled warrior.
Romans: Taught from birth that being strong & decisive is important. By age 8 is skilled in running & wrestling. By age 15, is ready to serve in legions.
Today, because of Marxism, progressivism & leftist ideologies, boys are taught from birth that males are inherently bad, especially white males. By age 6, is obese & addicted to video games. By 18, is a complete degenerate & coward that requires "safe spaces".
By 18 they become fascist incels. You are weong
@@christopherlin4706 is weak.
I’d love to see you talk with Richard Rohr or Brad Jersak one day! ❤️
I'm a feminist, and I'm agnostic. I kinda always had this aversion to Christians bc I assume they were all homophobes/racist/sexist etc. This channel is really helping me in understanding that not every christian is girldefined or paul and Morgan. Thanks Brenda 😁
That just means you are an anti-religious bigot. To paint a whole group of people like that is ridiculous.
@@LogosTheos As a Christian..if the shoe fits….wear it.
Grey is bae!
I just bought this book because of you ❤️
Wooohoooo!!!!!!! BC represent!!!!
Vet School with Ashley That’s right!! 🙌
The only reason why you will be afraid of the world is when deep down you don’t believe in your belief and you are not grounded. The fear of fundamentalist is that if their children go out in the world they won’t choose Jesus. For me that’s sad. I trust Jesus and His love and true message and I am so sure of whom I believe with that I’m not scared of the World, but I’m sure the world is scared of me. Lol! Love you beautiful women so much!
Loved this! This is exactly how I feel.
Are you a Unitarian?
This is so refreshing. Too many times "feminist" is treated like a blasphemous word and idea, when in reality, Jesus WAS a champion of feminism and he was actively trying to dismantle the oppressive religious system at the time.
Umm... what?
Absolutely conditioned
Brenda I would encourage you to check out a channel called Pinecreek.
The problem with identifying as a feminist is the branding. It is a lot like the Republican brand. Maybe you aren't a mysoginist who pretends to be Christian while you support racism and are fine with poor people starving, but if you introduce yourself as a republican rather than letting people get to know you first you are going to have a difficult time convincing people that is true.
I believe that woman have gotten a raw deal in a lot of ways, but unfortunately the radical feminists have advanced the narrative that all men are mysoginists and evil, and if you call yourself a feminist most people are going to assume you believe the same thing.
It's good to be "on your own team", but bad to suggest your team is "women" rather than "decent humans" because it creates a men vs women false dichotomy.
Lovely! Don't hide your light under a bushel - everyone use your talents and strengths to their fullest- for your personal life, for running your household, and in your relationship.
Love how many of the things you both talked about apply to people outside of the Christian community. Thank you!
I consider myself an egalitarian Christian. Can you do a video on female on male rape and how it was even in the Bible?
Ugh "women can't preach" smh
Dash it all, viva democracy
This video is extremely encouraging to me, thank you.
So what progressive ideology dont you agree with?
I prefer egalitarianism. Feminism is to toxic and I wouldn’t want to associate with a group that deems my man to be a sexist monster just because he has white skin and he’s a man. A lot of propaganda and sexism flows in feminism. I love your other topics but sadly when it comes to feminism I will not agree with.
@Not My Real Name i am one of them and also christian
So does this woman just sit back and say "I wonder what the bible says about this topic" and immediately believe the opposite?
We would like to bestow the greatest gift to all women - Freedom.
We only have one condition - Don't come back.
Huh? Wdym?
God gave women the gift of life. Not only giving life but also fostering and nurturing children into happy and loving adults. The gift cannot be fully fostered if we put our energies into other endeavors.
Are you ok?
Cool. But I don’t care
I like your content but I would like to offer this piece of feedback. I can’t bring myself to subscribe to you because of one thing. It’s the way you say: “donate to my patreon if you can”. It sounds entitled and I can’t get past it. Other than that your content is great.
There’s also the Amazon wish list thing. I feel like if you were asking for items to help with your channel it would be a bit of a turn off but I would understand. But it’s the fact that you are asking for your audience members to pay for items for your baby that rubs me the wrong way. I just don’t see how that helps with the cause.
It bothers me and I wish it didn’t. I want to keep watching your channel as I think you make great content and I think you are filling a niche on UA-cam. I don’t mean to attack. It’s just some honest feedback.
As an atheist I imagine the day that she realises that all that love she feels and all the kindness and generosity doesn't come from god, but from her beautiful brain. (I am aware that day might never come, but I hope it does, just so she can give herself the credit she deserves)
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:it is an abomination- Leviticus 18:22
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:neither fornicators,nor idolaters,nor adulterers,nor effeminate,nor abuser of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous,nor drunkards,nor revilers,nor extortioner,shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 corinthians 9-10
Mistranslation. In original Greek. You people always forget cultural context.
Brenda is a false teacher! What she and her guests say do not align with Scripture. Unsubscribe.
You say this on all her videos. Get a life.
Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is near!
Mitch Gilbert proverbs 12:1 “Any who love knowledge want to be told when they are wrong. It is stupid to hate being corrected.” Mitch Gilbert you need to stop hating knowledge and being corrected. By the rules of your own beliefs.
Monika I bet you say the same about Fox News.
Monika If there’s something I know about Christianity and religion in general it’s this. It’s never so cut and dry as to just except “the message”. You are dealing with texts whose authenticity is extraordinarily unreliable. There’s also a lot of bullshit in the bible that any advanced being (if they exist) would never say just for the fact that to become that advanced moral judgement would have evolved for such a being eons before hand. Such a being would not create say women to serve as slaves to men, blame them for “sin” and forbid them from preaching. Men made all of that up. Add to that translation of a dead language hasn’t helped matters. Brenda points out in a video that the biblical translation for gay might actually mean pedophile instead. Which would make a great deal more sense.
Monika I used to pray to God all the time. I was a devote Christian but my ethics and moral compass were always at odds with the faith. Women can and should and do preach in church’s. There’s actually a theory that Mary Magdalene was supposed to lead Jesus’s church. The treatment of women in the bible is as barbaric as it is twisted, unethical and downright disgusting. As for providing sources I’d be happy to after I get off work. Lastly I come here because it’s nice to see someone from my old faith who isn’t so hateful. My question though is why do you come here? Do you deep down feel the same way I felt about the ethical breaches of Christianity? If so it’s okay to feel that way. I encourage you to watch more of Barbara 😀
@@agnosticgamer3122 this was a very well spoken reply. We might not have the same belief systems however I hold nothing but respect for how you handled this situation brother.
God created the man from the soil and breathed the life into the man, calling him Adam. From there God put the man under a deep sleep and from his rib the womb-man Eve was created.
A wife is to look up to her husband as the husband is to look up to Christ. To deny the authority that God gives man over woman is to deny God Himself.
When the woman fell into temptation, sin and death, God cursed the woman to have great pains, and when the man fell into sin and death God punished Him accordingly as well. Our gender and sex roles are defined by God, not Man. A wife is not her own, she belongs to her husband. A husband is not his own, he belongs to his wife.
Jesus would spit on feminist ideology. Feminists are communists and communists deny all religion, not just Christ.
This would be romantic if all christians thought like you, their idea is the woman is a man's slave without any identity, wants or needs of her own. Just a human meat sack while the man is a full complete human beings with needs, wants and desires. See that's the problem here, not all christians have the same view as yourself which is why feminism WAS needed but now feminism isn't even helping women anymore. It's giving men who dress like women more power over real women.
Man and woman no one married or not belongs to anyone that's like slavery each one for themselves the wife is not supposed to "look up" to the husband she should be able to think for herself
@@liamodonovan3437 you are not your own. You were bought at a price. Your body is on loan from God. Male or female
Feminists are communists? Really? What is this, 1984?
Women were created as counterpart to man, not as pets or objects or property to man. As you might recall in Genesis, God made Eve solely so Adam would not be alone. She was his companion, and he was hers.
Women are as much made in the image of God as Men, to say that they must be subservient in all things disrespects God and his creation. It assumes God’s mind and his motives, which is very dangerous and egotistical.
@@mitchgilbert6894 iam atheist so I don't believe what you said I belong to me that's how I see it
This channel seems to attract largely atheistic individuals who don't read their Bibles. No wonder you're all so confused. Instead of listening to the word of Man, go read the Word of God and decide for yourself what His plan for us really is. This is a bunch of hogwash.
Actually this channel attracts Christians and others who use their God-given brains to come to God more honestly. .to truly worship God and not worship an idol of culture or a one-way interp of the Bible( written by man btw). You don't understand...so you put it down. Not exactly showing Jesus love.
Funny how this is the "heretical" video that inspired you to "share the truth" about the bible and women. Just say you hate women and go, Mitch
Do you follow the Bible, the WHOLE Bible. There are many passages on rape, murder, slavery, abortion, etc. in the Bible pretty much condoning doing such things. God is not all loving if God is hating certain types of people
Amen, ladies xo
Actually, Mitch... there are lots of Christians who watch Brenda’s videos including myself. Hateful people such as yourself were why I stopped going to church. You are not a good representative of Christ’s love or mercy. Take the hate you spew somewhere else!
If a movie reviewer were to write a review on a movie he or she had not viewed, that reviewer is mocked and ridiculed. But these ungodly women who do not Know their Bibles spout off categorical untruths that have no biblical foundation and lost souls gobble it up as the wolf feasts on the sheep.
Mitch Gilbert Brenda has done lots of research and has dived deep into the Bible. Looks like you’re the uninformed one
Mitch Gilbert. So true. It comes down to they don’t want to worship and follow the God of the Bible so they make a God that they can tolerate and they worship that God.
You don't agree or understand...so you put them down. I find them very Godly and you going along with the world.
@@ceciliaramos2280 they believe in and worship God, period....inside and outside of the Bible...stop worshipping an idol and come to God.
@@theravyshow2570 God is never wrong. Only We can be wrong. God is never wrong.
I found you through Mister Atheist, and while I am not a Christian, I love your stuff. I just subscribed.