It's worth noting that Mama Uganda wasn't just told that she had too many eggs and should have more kids. She was told that, because she had too many eggs in her ovaries, she needed to keep having children or she would die from some specific cancer. Which isn't true, and wasn't what she went to that doctor about, but she was 18 and trusted the medical professional at the time. Every time her story comes up there will be comments under it of folks shaming her for her situation. I'm hopeful this time might be different and this lovely community will recognize that she was a victim for a very long time before she finally got her surgery.
That is horrific. Even if that was true, wouldn't removing her ovaries be the better solution? Like, she had a ton of kids already, she was seeking some kind of sterilization treatment, if her ovaries put her at risk of cancer... just take out the ovaries!
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 doctors try not to remove the ovaries of young women because it can cause a lot of problems, like loss of bone density, cancer etc. Those "doctors" though...liars and enablers.
Im surprised mdj didn't mention that it was all nonsense but maybe just because most of us know it sounds ridiculous. Poor lady... poor child, thats what she was.
Also... like idk if I'm getting this wrong, but wouldn't a pregnancy mean she's left with more eggs than if she wasn't pregnant? Like normally, you'd flush out one egg a month, unless you're pregnant and keep the same egg for 10 months until it comes out as a fully formed baby, right? No wonder she had way more eggs than normal if she was pregnant all the time
Not 1 but two previous owners of my home had two sets of twins while living here. We found that out after my twins were born. My husband got a vasectomy shortly before their first birthday because the idea of multiple multiples is literal hell to me.
My grandmother had 16 total singleton pregnancies, 13 children that lived to adulthood. She didn't mess up names until just a bit before she died, aged 100, and remembered them all in order including the 3 she'd lost. She could also, if she was given a moment to collect her thoughts, remember all 30 of us grandchildrens' full names and at least the month in which we're born. Individual dates got a little muddy, but she had 46 sets of stats in there, not counting her own, her husband's, and her parents and siblings, so not too shabby! I'll certainly never crap on somebody for struggling with 40+ names, though whatever doctor lied to Mama Uganda should lose their license for such callous disregard for her life and the health of her existing children at the time.
My grandma is the youngest in her family (13th pregnancy, 8th to survive all singletons). My grandma had my mom and then came the surprise of the century twins, a boy and a girl. Btw my mom has only me and constantly mixes my name with her younger sister's. I can't tell you how many times I've been called Tammy or Tamara (if she is annoyed) or even Tom, fyi my name is Anna and I am the living proof that even people with one child can still forget their child's name😂
My mom adopted her 2 children and I spent most of my childhood being called 8-10 different names before she ever got to mine... If she got to Mr Chips her dog from her childhood I knew I was in so much trouble. I started signing birthday cards love "Mr Chips". FYI I am a girl
My grandmother had 12 singletons! 3 boys, 3 girls, boy, girl, boy, girl. My mum is number 6 of the 12 and the 3rd girl right in the middle! Then my mum had 7 kids lol
Mine too but only 11 out of 16 made it. This is not taking into account pregnancies that she did not carry full term, that number I have no idea if she herself knows. She married at 15 and was continuously pregnant until she reached premenopause at 43. (All her babies are maximum 2 years apart) I cannot imagine going through what she went through.
@@JuiciestEva I mean, that’s great if she wanted that, but by the way you worded it, it sounds like she didn’t. That makes me think your grandpa was a jerk. Was he so selfish that he couldn’t let her body recover? My grandpa did the same thing to my grandma, so it really upsets me.
My mom had twins then ten months later triplets, and I'm from a second set of twins. My son's dad is also a twin, our concern on that first scan was making sure it was only one occupant in the womb. 😂
You know the scans could have been wrong🤣I had 8 ultrasounds with my oldest son and we always saw 1 baby, always heard one rather strong heartbeat. When they thought I was delivering the placenta we found out that I had carried MoMo twins and the twin was stillborn at about 7 months gestation.
I think what happened in the past was that if a woman was healthy after two or three births there were likely to be many. When you walk around older cemeteries and look at multiple wives to one husband you can see it that several wives died young.
@@TLCInTheGardenthere was a player on the dodgers Cody Bellinger no longer on the team they didn’t know they were expecting twins sadly the other twin didn’t end of being born or even fully developing she must have miscarried the other one at some point and didn’t even know
I feel so sorry for that last lady - she was let down so badly by medical professionals. And frankly, put in danger because pregnancy as it is is dangerous - let alone that many pregnancies of multiples!
I had 4 kids and it was not until the 3rd kid that I was finally diagnosed with Hypermesis Gravidarum and that was because I got a new OB. The first two I kept being told it was normal and I never bought it.
My aunt did not eat or drink almost any thing her entire pregnancies she could sometimes keep some crackers down and maybe so water but thank God she is a paramedic, every day at work she was given IV fluids. But she still lost about 50lbs. She would purposely gain weight before her pregnancies.
My friend must have this hyperemesis thing. She's had 6 pregnancies (1 miscarriage) and is considering another; I can't believe she's serious. Except I know she is. She can't hardly walk for almost the whole pregnancy. Bedridden and sometimes ER visits for fluids.
@@TLM2468I too lost about 50 lbs during pregnancy. I threw up every single day of nine months. My doctor never addressed my hyperemesis. Worst of all my husband thought I was faking it. I didn’t find out what hyperemesis was until years later.
Just a minor note -- it's a common misconception that people didn't live to be old in "ye olden times," but in reality the _average_ age was just super low because infant and child mortality was so high. If you made it to adulthood your life expectancy would be much closer to the modern norm than what we've been led to believe.
I believe the age of "farming" pesant women in 1700's was much higher/older than average age of women of mid-late 1800's do to industrial revolution in Russia when people movied to cities to work. Or the men went to cities and women stayed behind to work fields and run household
A friend of mine has twins and one other child who coincidentally was born the same day as the twins a few years later. She told me that it wasn’t until the twins turned 4 that they realized “birthday” was not a fixed holiday on the same day for everyone. They thought everyone celebrated birthday on the same day, like Christmas!
Awe, that's too cute lol. Not really related to the topic of discussion but my brother and his wife had twins and when they were at the age of your friend's twins when they discovered the truth about birthday and would get so mad at my mom when she would tell them that she was their dad's mom. Too cute! Original reply not changed, just wanted to add the fact that they didn't believe her.
My youngest cousin was born exactly one year after me almost to the minute even. Kind of freaky how the oldest sister and the youngest with a 15 year age gap had kids 1 year apart. My mom is the oldest and had me at 41.
According to family lore, my great grandmother had 7 sets of twins out of 20 pregnancies. She got married at 12 and had her first daughter at 13. Not all of the babies survived, but all of the twins did. My grandmother’s twin is still alive! We have other twins in our family.
In 1930 my great grandma had a baby, she told the midwife (home birth no nearby hospital) that she felt she needed to push again. The midwife was like oh no Hazel you had your baby already. Then my grandma came into the world. She told the midwife she needed to push again. The midwife was Oh no no no you have twin girls you are just fine. Great grandma was so exhausted she could not push anymore. A month later they had to rush her to a hospital finally as she was going into septic shock. Turns out the third baby, a little boy was there but, of course, did not make it. It was absolutely crazy. We have had no other twins or triplets on this side of the family. On Dad's side we thought my uncle was the only one with twins. When I finally found and reconnected with the extended family of my Dad's dad turns out twins are in every generation along with the red hair (that I am the only member they knew of who had red hair). My Dad's family thought my red hair was somehow a fluke from mom's side. Us redheads are any many on Dad's extended side lol!
@@Hollister74 Soooooo that baby boy died because the midwife didn't believe what your great gran was telling her about her own body?...😐...Well, this pissed me RIGHT off.
My mom is 4th of 10 (all singletons, no fertility treatments, yes Catholic, 5 girls and 5 boys, yes in that order). The most common question she gets is "do you know all their names?"
I never understood that question. Most people know the names of all of their classmates when they're in school, why should it be harder with your own kids, when you at best get a few new ones at a time and have a while to learn their names before you get any new ones..
😂 I have two children, 6 years apart, different genders, different personalities, and I still call them by each other's name, my husband's name, my oldest nephew's name. Asking a mom with a big family if she knows her kids' names is ridiculous. Of course, she knows their names. She might not get it right all the time, but moms have a lot on their minds. Names are a minor thing. Lol
Minor correction, it was not so much true that you'd be lucky to live into your 50s in the 1700s or that you were lucky to survive 1 or 2 births. Infant mortality was very high. That impacted life EXPECTANCY (average age of death). Life SPAN, which is life expectancy among those who live to adulthood, is was much higher and didn't really start going up until pretty recently. Even with modern medicine, we've only increased life span by a few years. Infant mortality is WAY better though. Also, with such high infant mortality and not a lot of effective birth control, having 10 or 12 kids was very common. Tracing back my wife's Irish Catholic family, there were multiple generations of everyone having about 10 kids and only 1 set of twins among all of them. My father in law is one of 9. Lots of births didn't start decreasing until child mortality started going down and we still see that today with more births in countries with higher infant mortality so you get enough of them to live. Your other reasons for doubting the veracity of that historical claim are probably valid. Some of those early documented claims result from bad record keeping. The person with the record longest lifespan may have been a case of a parent and child with the same name having causing confusion on which records were whose.
And from what I remember a lot of them didn’t make it past infancy, which, common. I’m sure the exact number is probably exaggerated or maybe they double counted a set or two when doing a survey. Still, I definitely think she had a lot of multiples, just probably not that many and certainly not all of them lived
Thanks for bringing that up, yes your life span in the 1700s was generally gonna be more than 50 years. Usually, unless you’re in a hunter-gatherer society (which are basically non existent at this point), you’re going to easily live into your 50s and probably past your 50s. Heck, Neanderthals lived to their 50s (if I remember correctly their average life span was into their mid 40s). Once people started farming we were able to live longer since there was more food available to us, and it wasn’t until the advent of modern medicine and ultra mass production of food in the late 1800s-early 1900s that people were able to live any amount longer than they were previously. Just wanted to add a bit to your point, hope you don’t mind.
It also wasn't unknown to claim a child that wasn't yours by lieing about giving birth to it, often to cover up a daughter or sister giving birth out of wedlock. So I wonder if some of that may have happened?
In the 1700's the records that they kept of births, deaths and marriages were kept by the church. My family is from Poland and my sister was able to trace back our family back to the 1700 through church records. Mark
Also a quick google search says that the chances of dying in childbirth in the 1700s sat around 1.5%. That's certainly not nothing, but women weren't dropping like mayflies either.
I think most genealogists can tell you that surviving many, many births was most definitely a thing in the 1700s. Sure, many mothers died in childbirth, more died afterwards, but I have found several well documented cases (among my own ancestors and their relatives) where mothers of 13 or 15 died at a (relatively) old age. Of course, most of these children didn't survive their childhood or even their first year (which is probably the reason the mother got pregnant again very soon). There is a couple among my ancestors in the 1600s/1700s where their obituaries/death entries specifically mention, with an exclamation mark, that all 7 children born to them were still alive at their deaths. Because that is something that rarely ever happened in the past.
As an archivist, just looking at genealogical records of course skews the picture because you need a lineage and not everyone reproduced successfully. But in general, I agree. It was way more common than today, but women weren't dropping dead left and right. Of course with multiples it's always a different ballgame than with singletons. I have seen quite a huge number of records and the vast majority were singletons. I can only recall two twin records I saw. No higher order multiples (which are still a huge risk in todays age as someone in fertility treatment. My doctors doesn't even want to risk twins because the outcomes still aren't great compared to singletons)
I wonder if there is some kind of survivorship bias here, and she just happens to be someone who has a very well behaved uterus and pelvis! If she had a successful multiple birth then maybe her body was just very well suited to it so she’s more likely to have further successful ones. Maybe she has great hormones and doesn’t have any issues with uterine atony or placenta detachment.
@tattycakes2k2 the chances of conceiving quadruplets is 0.0002 percent with the number of fetuses surviving till birth is even lower. And this is today's day and age of medical reproductive intervention. Achieving her birth numbers today is literally unheard of. Theories of wrong records or she taking in more children from other wome are way more plausible. Or she was the cautionary tale of the region to get youngsters to abstain from sex which evolved to this myth and not a lot is true in general.
I agree with you. My mom is really into genealogy and there are multiple people in my family way back in the 1700’s and 1800’s who had 18 - 25 kids. One did die giving birth but the others died of other things when they got older. Not all of the children lived of course
I haven't gone back too far in the 1700s, but I have a couple in my family tree that had 7 children. And a little later at the very start of the 1800s, two brothers who both got 8 children including one set of twins. In both cases, their wives didn't die in childbirth but after they stopped having children. I'm wondering if somehow in that village a hyper ovulation mutation was common, because I feel like I've come across a lot more twin births in those records compared to other cities in my family tree. It might be interesting to actually count and compare them.
My grandma is 1 of 21. 4 sets of twins and the rest were singletons. No fertility treatments, just kept having kids. I come across family I haven't met all the time 😅 The old newspaper articles about them are wild to see even being my own family!
I remember YEARS ago on TLC they had a special called Twins, Twins, and More Twins! The mother had 6 kids from her first marriage, then married her second husband had twins, singleton, twins, and was pregnant with another set of twins. I wonder what ever happened to them.
There are multiple definitions for “Irish twins” They can also be “born less than 12 months apart”. My girls are Irish twins because one was born March 16 2017 and the next was born March 12 2018. So they are the same age for that almost week.
My former friend's first boyfriend, Perv, was born Jan 7th or something like that. He had five older half siblings. One year after Perv, on January 3rd, his parents had twin girls. The next year, on January 2nd, they had a second set of twin girls. Perv was incredibly abusive towards my friend, but as she refused to realize it our friendship was over (he isolated her so that she dropped all her friends). Later I worked in the town Perv was from, and met one of his nephews. His family was infamous at the school; not only because there had been so many of them, but because they had all been completely illiterate . A few years later I worked at another school and had this student who was also basically illiterate and spent all the time I tried to tutor her screaming about how she wanted a baby because that would fix "everything". She was incredibly immature and very low functioning. Well, a year later she had a baby with Perv. She had just turned 16 (with the mental age of 8) and he was 37, with a long history of abusive relationships and stints in prison as he was a career criminal by that time. Truly revolting all around.
My great great grandmother was in Ripleys Believe it or Not for having a crazy number of grandkids. My Grandfather was one of over 160 grandkids. During a family get together, they had to use a special panoramic camera to capture everyone. At the time, it was newer technology that was really only used for very special occasions or to capture city landscapes. Her house still stands in Ohio and is a heritage site that can be toured. Mennonites and Amish have insane numbers of children. She had about 20 kids, and each of them averaged around 20 kids. My grandfather only had one other sibling though. His family were like the black sheep 🤣
kinda reminds me of British Queen Victoria:(born 24th of May or fifth month of the year 1837 and died the 22nd of January or first month of the year 1901):she had 9 children all made it to adulthood still she outlived like 3 and her firstborn child:(also a Victoria and even the British queen’s mother was a Victoria as well):only died like half a year after QV and the British Queen had something like 40 grandchildren or somthing
my grandma was 52 when she birthed my mom! she had 11 kids, any time grandpa came home from his trucking job she got pregnant. Recently at his funeral we learned he continued “contributing to the population” all around the country while on the road. We also finally put together the pieces of why died. Grandma was a stubborn lady and didn’t like going to the doctor. When i was two she figured out she had cervical cancer and was going to die in a couple months. We also learned she had “untraceable” HPV🧐
I remember when I was student teaching first graders, one of my students (6) had an identical twin brother. They also had identical twin older brothers (8). Then two singletons (2, 1). My heart went out to that momma cause that is a lot. They also lived in a low income area, so I know it was hard to get by as is. The kids were mostly well behaved and did pretty okay academically too.
I do think in larger families with many children that the older kids help out with the parenting. That was true in both my mom and dad's families, with 8 and 5 siblings respectively (and both were poor).
@@KatharineOsborne Usually that’s just the older GIRLS. They become a surrogate mother to their younger siblings. Twice I had a friend who always had their younger sister in tow. That’s why I told my mother I didn’t want a younger sibling. Luckily she never planned on having more than two.
you should do a video about villages/towns where there are clusters of twins! I always find it fun that there are places where hyper-ovulation becomes common on a population level.
I have two sets of twins! Wasn't expecting twins the first time and *really* wasn't expecting them the second time! We took permanent measures after the last set, I can't imagine not doing that. The funny thing is that I find medical professionals of all stripes are kinda fascinated by it and want to talk about it - even dentists and chemists get excited lol
When it comes to singles the Radford family here in the U.K. has had 22 children 11 girls and 11 boys, currently the biggest family in the U.K. from the same wife and husband, they’re a wonderful family and have a UA-cam channel too xx
My grandmother had 8 children, in them 2 sets of twins. They were good sized 6-7 lbs each. My dad was a single birth and he was 12lbs! That woman had huge children!
In the US the biggest families I know of are the Bates and the Duggers. (I know, I know) Each have 19 children. 2 sets of twins in the Duggar family. None in the Bates family. Since neither family believes in birth control, it is the closest modern day example I think of. Both moms started having kids at about 21 and went to 45-ish.
The British Radford family has 21 children of 22 pregnancies (one stillborn). They were also on TV and it's crazy how the parents were able to keep up with everything.
I’m sure there are bigger US families, they just aren’t interested in monetizing their family. Personally know several non-blended families with 9+ kids…
I had it with my daughter. I had 2 boys before her and 2 after. She was the only pregnancy that made me that sick. I kept calling the doctor and saying I am throwing up way too much with this pregnancy. They said you are fine. When I went in 2 weeks later I had lost 20 lbs in 2 &1/2 weeks. They hospitalized me for 3 days. I was incredibly dehydrated. I had to take nausea meds throughout the remainder of my pregnancy. It was awful. I would be driving down the road and have to pull over and get sick. It hit me all day long.
@@raimeyewens7518 you’re so strong mama! My friend has been the same way in and out of the hospital, losing 20 or so lbs, and just miserable like you’ve mentioned. I heard it’s worse or more typical while carrying a baby girl specifically, which is what she’s having. I’m sorry you went through such a difficult time while pregnant with her 🫶 seriously you’re so strong!
As an only child and someone who doesn’t want children, it is wild to me that people who have access to contraceptives actively try to have so many children. I would be exhausted!
I’m not an only child:(except for when I was a toddler so I of course don’t really remember that time at all):and don’t really wish to experience pregnancy yet I’d like to have maybe a few:(well maybe more than a few):children someday in the unknown mysterious future and it’s not really all that too very wild to me that people who apparently presumably have access to maybe probably entirely unwanted contraceptives would apparently actively have so many children perhaps in part because they’re like so so very in love and/or really like the process or method or whatever that to them having their several children who’re probably not always planned
At the summer camp I worked at, one family had 2 sets of twins. Adorable and sweet...and the idea of that my family growing that fast is terrifying my fiance's mother is a twin so I am trying not to think about the genetic lottery
10:24 I appreciate your attempt in pronouncing their names and I hope you don't mind the correction - the gruzman family names are all Hebrew names, so rochel would likely be pronounced rakhel/rokhel, yocheved would be yokheved (basically, like how channuka is spelled with a ch and said with a h/kh sound - it's basically the same thing here) Love your videos!
That's so funny, I was listening while doing laundry and then heard you talking about the gruzman family. When I heard the names Mushka and Ita I was like wait a minute! I'm Orthodox Jewish and come from a chabad family myself so I was surprised to hear those names haha
I’m going to cry for the last mom I can’t believe they forced her to have more babies when she didn’t want to I feel so lucky! As a result she had over 20 more and at least 6 died! Horrible !! 😢
We suffered with infertility (PCOS) and fertility treatments for 6 1/2 years and when we FINALLY were able to get pregnant and keep it, I desperately wanted twins because I never wanted any kids we had to be only-children. I feared we wouldn't be able to have any more! With luck (and medical help), I've had 3 singletons and my husband's sisters are getting twins. 😂
That's wonderful. My family has PCOS as well. I was told I'd never be able to have kids but had two naturally in my mid twenties. My daughter had one in her mid twenties but is now needing fertility help at just 30 because of PCOS. I'm praying for her. The only time I had regular periods was when I was on birth control. Otherwise only 7‐8 irregular periods a year. My sister just had one baby at 35. A big surprise because she had never used birth control and also had PCOS. There wasn't the same fertility help back then and it wasn't covered by insurance.
I already had 4 kids and was done... but got pregnant again and I was upset bc I didn't want an odd number of kids. I found out it was boy/ girl twins... so ended up with 3 of each lol. They even went boy girl boy girl boy girl in a nice pattern😂
OMG I was JUST like "Hey, what about Mama Doctor Jones, I think she hasn't uploaded in a while" and come here to see that you uploaded this half an hour ago? Talk about a coincidence!
My father had an aunt or great-aunt who had about 22 of 23 babies, but also lost some. This was somewhere in the late 1800 - begin 1900's, on a farming family they had the space and often had big families because also a lot of kids died young. His aunt had several twins and one triplet (of which one died at birth) and 8 of 9 singletons. So about 14 or 15 pregnancies in total in about 22-23 years. I remember him saying 18 reached at least 21 years. Can you imagine a Christmas with the grandkids in their family lol
Thank you for reacting the same way I did about the 17 hundreds something multiples. I call that story a major urban legend, for the same reasons you named.
Bureaucracy was not invented in the 20th century. Vasiliev's story is very well documented in the Russian Empire. Vasiliev, the father, wrote a letter to the Empress to ask for help with feeding the children around child 30. At the time the Church was responsible for all records. The Empress checked the records and witnesses were questioned. Vasiliev also officially met Empress Ekaterina the Second, it is again documented. The family was given pension from the state and all of the kids born after the petition to the Empress were recorded by the Church and the State. So no not a legend. Plus when we lived in Canada in the early 2000s we met a french Canadian in his 80s who was one of 21 children. His mother gave birth to 21 children in 20 years no twins. She was literally pregnant for 20 years straight and more when 1 a year. Over all strange things happen.
My mom had 3 kids : one ectopic (4th kid), my brother premature, my sister normal and me 8 years after at 38. Miracle 🎉 she also calls us the wrong names and the cats names all the time 😂
I have an old friend who had twin boys in January 2011. They had a second set of twin boys in December 2011. I believe the parents were 17F and 19M at the time. Now they have 7 kids, 2 sets of identical twins, 1 set of fraternal twins, and finally a singleton.
My local multiple birth group went from not having any sets of multiple multiples in over a decade (that we're aware of) to having three families with two sets of twins in two years. And somehow all the families have a set of fraternal and a set of identicals. Like the odds of that are so weird, two sets of the same kind would make sense but one set of each? Bananas! We also have a set of heteromaternal twins, one conceived by donor egg and one spontaneously conceived (only one embryo was implanted and the twins are boy/girl). Like science has given us a whole new category of twins!
I couldn’t even imagine this. My girls were 16 1/2 months apart, but the thought of having another girl gave me nightmares! My girls couldn’t agree on _anything_ , and fought about _everything_ ! I stayed on birth control until it affected my blood pressure (I told my doctor it had to be my girls)! I love them dearly, and they get along great now, but two were enough for me! Funny story about my Mum. She had two children 10 years apart (yes, years. My brother is 10 years older than me). I must have totally fried her brain. I remember her trying to yell at me, calling me my brother’s _full name_ , my Dad’s name, both cats’ names, and finally, out of frustration, pointing at me and yelling, *_YOU_* in this almost inhuman guttural voice! ❤ my brother was laughing, the cats scattered in different directions, and I just stood there saying, “my name is Wendy, mummy. How could you forget? Don’t you love me anymore?” My poor Mum just threw up her hands and went to her room. She put herself in timeout 😂! It must be a girl thing. We break our Mum’s brains! Multiple births? No thank you!
My grandmother had a boy but lost him after birth at 1 or 2 months old. She then had my Aunt and a year later, my mother. Then, 10 years later, my twin Aunt's (fracturnal) [sp?] were born. They were a complete surprise after a fun night of dancing at a club for grandpa and grandma. 😊
Yup! In my family it "skipped" a generation because only one of my grandafthers sister had children, and in particular, his twin sister did not have bio children. However, my mom had twins (me + my brother), and so did two of her cousins (though one was a boy cousin so that's just coincidence)
There is also no documentary, or DNA (just lore) evidence that Valentina had that many kids. The situation has been noted as to be under suspicion since like 1800 or something when they spoke to part of the family in Moscow who said it was baloney. I have a 5th great grandad with 22 kids. His first wife had 13 of them. When she passed away, he married his wifes 15 year old great-niece (same first middle and surnames) and she had the other 9 kids before he died. I have been doing my family genealogy since 2005 and chatter in the family for a long time was that all 22 kids were from his one wife. Since his second wife had the exact same (common as all get out) name, the second marriage was obviously forgotten about by later generations. How this happened is still a mystery because several of his first wifes children had the same first names as a half-sibling by his second wife. He had two sons namd after himself and his wives each had a daughter named after themself. And by the time he married the second time, his oldest children with his first wife had families and/or were starting families, so he had kids younger than some of his grandkids. That branch of the family is a hot-mess. The ancestress I have with the most children is a 5th great granny on another branch. She had 15 children 11 boys and 4 girls, and birth records etc exist, so that has been confirmed. If Feodor Vassilyev married two (or more) women named Valentina related or not, that could also be part of it. Record keeping was horrible everywhere, not just rural Russia, so alot of the kids could have been adopted etc as well.
I also do genealogy and I know what you mean with the similar/identical names! Combined with poor record keeping is a nightmare! I have what I believe to be 4 generations of men named Francois. Of course, I didn't know this when I started, so as I dug through records I kept finding things like property purchase records when Francois was too young and marriage records to a woman named Marie about 25 years apart. Francois changed to Francois Jr. to Francois III and I hope finally to Francois IV. There seems to have been a rule that all women had the first name Marie with different middle names, so Marie Francoise, Marie Pelagie, Marie Elodie and Marie Euphrosie are a few examples of the women in that branch. Each Francois was married to a Marie something. I learned that in the 1800s it wasn't uncommon for the new wife to name one of her daughters after the previous wife who passed away as a way to honor her. I have at least one example of that in my direct ancestors. I've also learned it's worth researching at least the names of my ancestor's sibling's children because of the times two siblings have each named their children after the siblings' father or grandfather or named their child after their sibling. This is usually the case when I find records for someone that don't make sense age/year-wise.
@@AmyEugene Ughf, yeah, when you get all the naming after family members with a junk-ton of kids it can get complicated. I have a brother and a cousin with the same name. My brother and I are 11 years older than our cousin though. My name is one of the three most common on my fathers family tree so I understand that also. You also have wierd names pop up, on a couple of branches on my moms side I have men (mid-late 1800s) given maiden names of thier grandmother's, great grannies etc as first names etc so Ensign, Mayo, Couch, and Friend have all popped up as first names. None had a "junior" though. They gave thier sons real names instead.
There's also the possibility (due to the number of believed multiples) that several of the children where actually just the neighbor's kids but the mother died in childbirth. In a pre-formula world the best option was to find the nearest person who was lactating and ask if they could help. Valentina could have just produced abnormally high amounts of milk, meaning that it would be possible to help multiple children at once who would otherwise die, leading to the stories of multiple sets of higher order multiples.
The twins running in the family is interesting - it runs in my family, from my maternal grandparents. My Grandfather was one of three sets of twins (he was the youngest of 15 children). My Grandmother had what she thought was a miscarriage and then went on to have a full-term baby - my mother (i.e. she miscarried one of the twins). I have conceived 2 sets of twins. One I miscarried both at about 10 weeks, the other, I miscarried one of the twins at about 7 weeks, the other continued with a normal pregnancy - my second child.
Truly, hats off to anyone who can withstand multiple pregnancies, let alone multiple pregnancies with multiples. I am 10w 2d with my first and MISERABLE. Not HG but the next level down from there and I’m already saying no more. I know many women don’t have major symptoms but I can’t even fathom spending years of my life in minor nausea.
I was already flabbergasted when my first pregnancy was twins (no twins in family). Can't imagine having more twins. 😵 Our third is a singleton btw. ☺️
My mom is very into genealogy, and she found an ancestor of ours that had 9 sets of twins and 3 sets of triplets in the mid-1700s. They were all boy-girl/boy-boy-girl and none of the boys survived past one, but all the girls grew up. She lived to her late 80s.
I used to have a friend whose mum was a twin, she had 2 aunts who were twins, 4 uncles who were twins and she had 2 sets of twins as siblings. My friend was the only single kid! She went on to have kids and guess what? She had twins! Oh, none of them were identical twins btw but I always found it fascinating 🧐
As a family tree keeper, I can guarantee you records that old were extremely shoddy. I found one that said a distant grandmother was having babies after her date of death. I cut that branch short, after reading that.
I've spent 5.5 years out of the last 8.5 pregnant... as I'm only 28 and may be having kids into my early 40's like my mom, I might get close to 18 years of pregnancy 😂 All singles😅 But my hubby and I both have a feeling twins are in our future😵💫😄 My mom had 2 sets so I guess you never know! Good thing we love being parents and have such great kids❤
Is your body ok? I thought it was recommended to wait longer between pregnancies? Especially with the strain of caring for young children at the same time. I ask because it surprises me that you are planning to keep getting pregnant during the next 10 years +
@papiliopurpuro I think they recommend around 18-24 months between🤔. I was doing good until my 7th pregnancy when some hereditary health issues started to get harder to stay on top of. So we decided it would be wise to take a break, but my body pranked me and God gave us a little surprise with pregnancy #8 😄. The hope is to get health back under control in the next year or two and get back to having kids because they are so stinking precious, but we will play it all by how I'm doing, of course. No pregnancy related health problems except, since #8, my thyroid has been swollen, but my doctor says everything looks normal so it must be from pregnancy 🧐 Thank you for asking so politely ❤️ My family is my joy and I wouldn't trade it for anything!
@@average4098 wow that's a lot to go through- getting pregnant when you decided to take a break too, I'm glad the pregnancy went ok and didn't have a significant impact on your health. It's interesting that health professionals recommend 18 months+ break between pregnancies, I wonder what that's actually based on as it seems from this comment section that many people have had several children with a smaller gap and no unwanted consequences 🤷🏻♀️
My best friends in high school were twins, and they had a set of twin brothers a couple of years younger. Another family I know quite well had a singleton, 14 months later another singleton then 11 months and 29 days a set of twins - they had four kids under 2 and a half! In my own family history, on both sides, it was very common for them to have between 8 and 15 children and nearly all of these grew to adult hood themselves. My father was one of 11 (one died at 2 from a burst appendix) and his father was one of 9 (with one child stillborn), and his father was one of ten or eleven. While Mum was one of three, her father was one of nine. All of these children would've been born before there was good contraceptives and good maternal care.
Multiples run on my maternal side. My great-grandmother had a set of twins, my grandmother miscarriage a set of twins, then my aunt's last pregnancy was a set of twins (boy and girl). Only a matter of time until the next generation, either me or my other cousins or my cousins current kids have any multiple sets. So far only two of my cousins have kids and they are single births. One cousin has two single girls and the other a girl and boy singles.
My nan was 8th of 9. Her mum's first husband died and she remarried a few years later. I think there were 4 from the first marriage and 5 from the second. My nan didn't quite make the 1901 census here in the UK. My dad said he never bothered to learn all the names of his aunts and uncles as there so many of them. I don't think 8 is that many, although I can only recall the names of 4 great aunts / uncles without looking them it.
There is this old couple upcountry where I grew up, they had 15 children and only one passed so it total, they raised 14 children. Now that's strength.
I’ve also had 2 sets of twins although unfortunately one little one didn’t make it to 37 weeks, and my sister has twins too. Yeah we hyperovulate so we knew that after our 4 girls we wouldn’t go for a fifth😂. Still I get the question ‘are you going for a boy now?’ and the thought of being pregnant of twins again makes my body go into shock🤣.
I'm a twin and when I had an ultrasound in my 20s, it was found out that I had something like six eggs ready to go at any given time. I never had biological children, so I guess I dodged the bullet at that one!
Every month the woman's body readys 6-12 follicles and picks the 'Best' 1 or 2 to ovulate. Having 6 is on the low end of normal for a person in their 20's.
We were more than half expecting me to have at least one set of twins. Hubby's younger brother & sister are twins, there are twins on my Dad's side in my generation (my older cousin had 2 sets of twins), my Mum's cousin had had twins, and so on where there were twins in the same as well as alternating generations on both sides for 4 generations that we know of. I had 4 singletons 🤷🏻♀️ Edit: as one of 4 girls, whose dad had three sisters, I would sometimes get annoyed with him calling for me in everyone's name but mine! In frustration he'd sometimes yell, "Number three!" 😂. I would, as I said, occasionally get upset by this, but by the time I had my second child 19 months later (one boy then one girl at the time. Followed by another boy then girl a couple of years later, also 19 months apart, with each boy's birthdays being c. 2 weeks apart, as with both girls!), I was already tripping over my tongue. One day I phoned Dad and said, "I'm sorry!" "What for?" "Getting cross with you for not getting my name out!" He cracked up! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm a twin. My parents had 2 sets of twin girls born 18 months apart and then a 11 year gap and then had 2 boys born 18 months apart. I am from the first set of twins (2nd born, non identical), 2nd set of twins are identical. My mom had her first kids at 21, then at 23, then at 32 and 34. I was always told it skips a generation on my mothers family side. Because my grandmother did not have twins but my great grandmother did.
Had a friend in high school whose father’s side had many sets of multiples including her dad. He was an identical twin. She said going to his family reunions was strange because there were so many sets of identical people there.
My grandfather had a twin brother, I gave birth to twins and my cousin (granddaughter of the same grandfather) also gave birth to twins. Monozygotic each time.
Many years ago I met a mom at the mall. She had two sets of identical twins. They we’re absolutely identical with white blond hair. Absolutely adorable. She did share that her doctor said she was very likely to have identical twins again.
People in the 1700s regularly lived way past 50. It's just that the avarages are scewed by high childhood mortality rates (a lot of kids died before age 5, afterwards they were considered fairly safe), high maternal mortality rates, and a lot of men died in wars. What is more unlikely is being fertile at such a young age to make this possible. In the past girls usually got their periods at a later age then now (around age 16 or 17). Due to diet and harsher conditions and such. Aside from royalty, no one married that young either. Because anyone knows it is more dangerous to have kids that young. And royal girls also were not forced to consumate until they were older. I get so tired of this kind of misinformation.
Why they heck do people have so many kids? HOW DO THEY AFFORD THEM? Do they use state funding to help pay for the children? Why should taxpayers pay for someone to have 15 children (less the number they can afford)? Why didn’t they use any kind of contraception or have surgery?
My friend just had a pregnancy that was 5 empty sacs. Dr said she ovulated two eggs and each of them split. But nothing developed. What is this? She’s never taken fertility drugs. She was floored.. and for none of them to develop?
As a Jewish person I found it hilarious how you pronounced the names of the Gruzman family, but I know it's not easy to pronounce those names so I don't blame you. But I'm surprised you messed up the title "Rabbi" because most people are aware that that's a religious title (like pastor, imam, etc.).
I had two singleton boys and our 3rd pregnancy was boy girl twins. I’ll never forget taking a pregnancy test before I was even late (we were trying and used ovulation strips so I know the date we conceived). It showed up dark positive, and a few nights later I had a dream we had boy girl twins. My husband and I laughed about it until my first sonogram. Sure enough, twins!
I knew it though, because usually I wouldn’t even get a faint positive until at least a week after a missed period. I knew the moment it showed up positive so fast, dark, and early. I LOVED having twins! I honestly wish our first two boys would’ve been twins!
Twins run on both sides of my family. On mom's side at least 2 sets every generation (both sisters miscarried twins, she had twin brothers, her maternal aunt miscarried twins, her paternal uncle had twins and her first cousin on her dad's side had 2 sets of twins) On dad's side his aunt (mom's sister) was a twin and his dad's brother and sister both had twins with one of the twins having twin grandchildren. My oldest son was the surviving MoMo twin and him and his girlfriend lost a twin during their first pregnancy 5 yrs ago. They then miscarried 4 sets of twins before having miracle twins in 2020 born at 23 weeks, one living for 5 days and the other for 2 years. My daughter said she is good on having kids and can adopt if/when she wants kids because she does not want twins.
@@TheHeartThief She just turned 5 and is a little busy bee and totally healthy.. I have a few years before the 19 and 14 yr old decide if they want to have kids. Right now my daughter said she is good and plans to adopt but she might change her mind. We have a long time before she is really old enough to decide.
Dr Jones, idk if you'll see this and it's unrelated to this topic but I wonder if you might be able to answer a pregnancy related hypothetical that thus far, I haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer to. If you have a lady who's gotten pregnant quite a few times, will she begin menopause at a later age than she would have had she had no pregnancies? Given that you obviously aren't ovulating while pregnant.
What about the mom from Haiti that had I think 71 kiddos and many were multiples? There are black and white photos of her with all of them. Loved the video. The last one breaks my heart for myriad reasons.
Went to college with a set of boy/girl twins who were the youngest of 8. They told me that they had 2 other sets of twins in their family. The story goes, 2 single boys were born. They wanted a girl, so tried again. Set of boy twins. So they tried again, another set of boy twins. They really wanted a girl, so they tried yet again. Finally a set with a boy and girl. This was in the mid-80's. I don't know whether fertility treatments were involved, but loved the story of how much they wanted to have a girl.
ONE CORRECTION. The reason why we think people didn’t make it to old age is because of the mortality rates of babies, infants, school aged, and up until college aged children was high. However, if you made it pass the numerous things that could kill you while growing up, you could make it well into your 50s and 60s back then.
I went to Ireland for a student exchange program 15 years ago and the student I exchanged with was one of triplets (3 identical girls came to pick me up on the bus it was baffling) et their big sisters were identical twins. The parents were like yep, got pregnant twice, that's it !
I made it to 36 weeks with spontaneous triplets. I could've gone longer but was so uncomfortable we scheduled the c-section at 36 weeks. The babies had NO NICU time and came home with me. They were 6lb. 14oz, 4lbs. 11oz, 4lbs. 14oz. Super healthy.
My maternal grandmother had a single first pregnancy followed by three sets of twins and ended with a single birth. My mother was the oldest. The family had a joke about the bookend singles. The youngest was known as being rather flighty and scatter brained. The joke was that the oldest and youngest were SUPPOSED to be twins, but the youngest, who was 18 years younger than the eldest child, got distracted by something and wasn't available for that first pregnancy. Having missed her chance, she went to the end of the line and was born last.
A century ago a couple in my family tree had, back to back : twins (didn't survive), twins again, and then triplets. Family legend says the dad either fainted or started weeping when he found our there was a 3rd baby still about to come out. 7 babies (first two dead) in 3 years. Woooof. They didn't have babies after that.
Not multiples but still interesting imo. Right after my mom found out she was pregnant with me, she had a dream she had triplet girls. She was convinced she having multiples. Sometime after my parents announced they were pregnant, my dad's older brother announced he and his wife were pregnant too. Then a month later, my dad's younger brother announced he and his wife were pregnant. The due dates were spread over 7 weeks. Well, I ended up being a week late, my cousin was 2 weeks early, and other cousin was 6 weeks early. Within 36 hours, all of my nana's sons had daughters. So in a way, my mom's dream was right.
When I was a kid my dad was friends with two brothers that from what I recall were two of 20+ children (the younger of the two my dad knew was the 20th and wasn't the youngest) and from what I recall all of them were singletons, with the same parents who were neither Roman Catholic nor Mormon. The parents give their children first names that all began with the same letter and middle names that were alphabetical, so the oldest had a middle name starting with an A and the next a B, and so on to somewhere past T. I also remember a family my mum in knew in the late 80s or very early 90s who had a singleton, then twins, then triplets, and reportedly decided to avoid having another pregnancy in case that would result in quadruplets.
i have hyperovulation and it actually made having a baby harder. 12 miscarriages + pregnancy losses all over 10 weeks gestation. And with our now toddler, just one, he was a twin but baby B stopped growing during the first trimester. it was so scary the complications that have come with this all. We're lucky to have our 1 living child. We want another successful pregnancy but it will have to be very planned and with lots of oversight :(
My first boss was from the Falklands, born in 1928 when folks down there got their peat cutters/farmhands the old-fashioned way - he was one of 29 kids, and as he always joked "and only 3 sets of twins!" (He escaped at 16 by stowing away on an Antarctic research vessel & never looked back.)
It's worth noting that Mama Uganda wasn't just told that she had too many eggs and should have more kids. She was told that, because she had too many eggs in her ovaries, she needed to keep having children or she would die from some specific cancer. Which isn't true, and wasn't what she went to that doctor about, but she was 18 and trusted the medical professional at the time.
Every time her story comes up there will be comments under it of folks shaming her for her situation. I'm hopeful this time might be different and this lovely community will recognize that she was a victim for a very long time before she finally got her surgery.
That is horrific. Even if that was true, wouldn't removing her ovaries be the better solution? Like, she had a ton of kids already, she was seeking some kind of sterilization treatment, if her ovaries put her at risk of cancer... just take out the ovaries!
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 doctors try not to remove the ovaries of young women because it can cause a lot of problems, like loss of bone density, cancer etc. Those "doctors" though...liars and enablers.
Im surprised mdj didn't mention that it was all nonsense but maybe just because most of us know it sounds ridiculous.
Poor lady... poor child, thats what she was.
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 i think that would result in a need for ongoing hormone therapy after that point though, which might not be accessible either.
Also... like idk if I'm getting this wrong, but wouldn't a pregnancy mean she's left with more eggs than if she wasn't pregnant? Like normally, you'd flush out one egg a month, unless you're pregnant and keep the same egg for 10 months until it comes out as a fully formed baby, right? No wonder she had way more eggs than normal if she was pregnant all the time
Not 1 but two previous owners of my home had two sets of twins while living here. We found that out after my twins were born. My husband got a vasectomy shortly before their first birthday because the idea of multiple multiples is literal hell to me.
So what you're saying is… IT'S THE HOUSE 😂😭
That's crazy 🤣 maybe it is the house 😅 energy is held is the strangest ways 🤷🏻♀️ just saying
That’s WILD!!!😮
You have to turn that property setting off on the Sims!
I want your address so I never even accidentally enter that house!
My grandmother had 16 total singleton pregnancies, 13 children that lived to adulthood. She didn't mess up names until just a bit before she died, aged 100, and remembered them all in order including the 3 she'd lost. She could also, if she was given a moment to collect her thoughts, remember all 30 of us grandchildrens' full names and at least the month in which we're born. Individual dates got a little muddy, but she had 46 sets of stats in there, not counting her own, her husband's, and her parents and siblings, so not too shabby! I'll certainly never crap on somebody for struggling with 40+ names, though whatever doctor lied to Mama Uganda should lose their license for such callous disregard for her life and the health of her existing children at the time.
My grandma is the youngest in her family (13th pregnancy, 8th to survive all singletons). My grandma had my mom and then came the surprise of the century twins, a boy and a girl. Btw my mom has only me and constantly mixes my name with her younger sister's. I can't tell you how many times I've been called Tammy or Tamara (if she is annoyed) or even Tom, fyi my name is Anna and I am the living proof that even people with one child can still forget their child's name😂
My mom adopted her 2 children and I spent most of my childhood being called 8-10 different names before she ever got to mine... If she got to Mr Chips her dog from her childhood I knew I was in so much trouble. I started signing birthday cards love "Mr Chips". FYI I am a girl
My grandmother had 12 singletons! 3 boys, 3 girls, boy, girl, boy, girl. My mum is number 6 of the 12 and the 3rd girl right in the middle! Then my mum had 7 kids lol
Mine too but only 11 out of 16 made it. This is not taking into account pregnancies that she did not carry full term, that number I have no idea if she herself knows. She married at 15 and was continuously pregnant until she reached premenopause at 43. (All her babies are maximum 2 years apart) I cannot imagine going through what she went through.
@@JuiciestEva I mean, that’s great if she wanted that, but by the way you worded it, it sounds like she didn’t. That makes me think your grandpa was a jerk. Was he so selfish that he couldn’t let her body recover? My grandpa did the same thing to my grandma, so it really upsets me.
I had a child at 52. The shock of mine and my husband's life 😂 she is 4 now and absolutely beautiful, smart, and the joy of our lives
Oh how lovely! I'm 46 and had my first at 22 but I am definitely done with that part of my life. Enjoying the youth I never got to have
@@JaneAustenAteMyCat
Hi, I'm doing the same, but in reverse. I play a mean game of candyland and can be found playing barbies daily lol!!
That is wonderful. I hope that you prepare well for her. Make sure that she has a place to live and enough funds to fund her education.
@@heythave
She has brothers in their 30's that are crazy about her. And I'm heavily insured!!
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My mom had twins then ten months later triplets, and I'm from a second set of twins. My son's dad is also a twin, our concern on that first scan was making sure it was only one occupant in the womb. 😂
You know the scans could have been wrong🤣I had 8 ultrasounds with my oldest son and we always saw 1 baby, always heard one rather strong heartbeat. When they thought I was delivering the placenta we found out that I had carried MoMo twins and the twin was stillborn at about 7 months gestation.
I think what happened in the past was that if a woman was healthy after two or three births there were likely to be many. When you walk around older cemeteries and look at multiple wives to one husband you can see it that several wives died young.
So they’re Irish quintuplets?
@@TLCInTheGardenthere was a player on the dodgers Cody Bellinger no longer on the team they didn’t know they were expecting twins sadly the other twin didn’t end of being born or even fully developing she must have miscarried the other one at some point and didn’t even know
@@kieleyevatt2232 sincerely, this seems really insensitive to ask.
I feel so sorry for that last lady - she was let down so badly by medical professionals. And frankly, put in danger because pregnancy as it is is dangerous - let alone that many pregnancies of multiples!
and from what i've read, her child r*pist husband ran away.
@@Ysckemiait’s not considered child rape in some cultures young kids get married laws are different in other countries
@@soapqueen2008 laws may be "different", but it still ends up with broken adults, perpetuating the violence on the next generation.
@@Ysckemiaoh no yet another sexual abuser got away with his sexual abuse like pretty much the vast majority of sexual abusers - sarcasm
No. Pregnancies become less and less dangerous as more kids you have
Thank you for addressing how severe Hyperemesis is. So many people think it's just bad morning sickness. It can really affect the way you are treated.
I had 4 kids and it was not until the 3rd kid that I was finally diagnosed with Hypermesis Gravidarum and that was because I got a new OB. The first two I kept being told it was normal and I never bought it.
My aunt did not eat or drink almost any thing her entire pregnancies she could sometimes keep some crackers down and maybe so water but thank God she is a paramedic, every day at work she was given IV fluids. But she still lost about 50lbs. She would purposely gain weight before her pregnancies.
My friend must have this hyperemesis thing. She's had 6 pregnancies (1 miscarriage) and is considering another; I can't believe she's serious. Except I know she is. She can't hardly walk for almost the whole pregnancy. Bedridden and sometimes ER visits for fluids.
@@TLM2468I too lost about 50 lbs during pregnancy. I threw up every single day of nine months. My doctor never addressed my hyperemesis. Worst of all my husband thought I was faking it. I didn’t find out what hyperemesis was until years later.
Just a minor note -- it's a common misconception that people didn't live to be old in "ye olden times," but in reality the _average_ age was just super low because infant and child mortality was so high. If you made it to adulthood your life expectancy would be much closer to the modern norm than what we've been led to believe.
Came to the comments to say exactly this 🙌
This! funnily enough, your life expectancy increased 25 years if you made it to your first birthday c. 1700
I believe the age of "farming" pesant women in 1700's was much higher/older than average age of women of mid-late 1800's do to industrial revolution in Russia when people movied to cities to work. Or the men went to cities and women stayed behind to work fields and run household
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A friend of mine has twins and one other child who coincidentally was born the same day as the twins a few years later. She told me that it wasn’t until the twins turned 4 that they realized “birthday” was not a fixed holiday on the same day for everyone. They thought everyone celebrated birthday on the same day, like Christmas!
Awww that’s sad, cute, and funny all at once!
Aw that's so sweet 😊
Awe, that's too cute lol. Not really related to the topic of discussion but my brother and his wife had twins and when they were at the age of your friend's twins when they discovered the truth about birthday and would get so mad at my mom when she would tell them that she was their dad's mom. Too cute!
Original reply not changed, just wanted to add the fact that they didn't believe her.
My youngest cousin was born exactly one year after me almost to the minute even. Kind of freaky how the oldest sister and the youngest with a 15 year age gap had kids 1 year apart. My mom is the oldest and had me at 41.
@@MarySargeant-w7vlol I was confused but that’s norm for me lol it is cute and funny
According to family lore, my great grandmother had 7 sets of twins out of 20 pregnancies. She got married at 12 and had her first daughter at 13. Not all of the babies survived, but all of the twins did. My grandmother’s twin is still alive! We have other twins in our family.
Wow. Sure am glad that doesn't happen any more.
Oh but it still does
@@sarah2.017in some countries it’s not uncommon for kids to be married by the way nor is it against the law
In 1930 my great grandma had a baby, she told the midwife (home birth no nearby hospital) that she felt she needed to push again. The midwife was like oh no Hazel you had your baby already. Then my grandma came into the world. She told the midwife she needed to push again. The midwife was Oh no no no you have twin girls you are just fine. Great grandma was so exhausted she could not push anymore. A month later they had to rush her to a hospital finally as she was going into septic shock. Turns out the third baby, a little boy was there but, of course, did not make it. It was absolutely crazy. We have had no other twins or triplets on this side of the family. On Dad's side we thought my uncle was the only one with twins. When I finally found and reconnected with the extended family of my Dad's dad turns out twins are in every generation along with the red hair (that I am the only member they knew of who had red hair). My Dad's family thought my red hair was somehow a fluke from mom's side. Us redheads are any many on Dad's extended side lol!
@@Hollister74 Soooooo that baby boy died because the midwife didn't believe what your great gran was telling her about her own body?...😐...Well, this pissed me RIGHT off.
My mom is 4th of 10 (all singletons, no fertility treatments, yes Catholic, 5 girls and 5 boys, yes in that order). The most common question she gets is "do you know all their names?"
I never understood that question. Most people know the names of all of their classmates when they're in school, why should it be harder with your own kids, when you at best get a few new ones at a time and have a while to learn their names before you get any new ones..
😂 I have two children, 6 years apart, different genders, different personalities, and I still call them by each other's name, my husband's name, my oldest nephew's name. Asking a mom with a big family if she knows her kids' names is ridiculous. Of course, she knows their names. She might not get it right all the time, but moms have a lot on their minds. Names are a minor thing. Lol
@@HitomiKitage I have one child and one cat and I call them by each other's names sometimes 😄
Knowing their birthdays is way harder!
My school friend was one of 8 children, and I can still remember THEIR names from 20 years ago (mind you, they did make up a rhyme!)
Minor correction, it was not so much true that you'd be lucky to live into your 50s in the 1700s or that you were lucky to survive 1 or 2 births. Infant mortality was very high. That impacted life EXPECTANCY (average age of death). Life SPAN, which is life expectancy among those who live to adulthood, is was much higher and didn't really start going up until pretty recently. Even with modern medicine, we've only increased life span by a few years. Infant mortality is WAY better though.
Also, with such high infant mortality and not a lot of effective birth control, having 10 or 12 kids was very common. Tracing back my wife's Irish Catholic family, there were multiple generations of everyone having about 10 kids and only 1 set of twins among all of them. My father in law is one of 9. Lots of births didn't start decreasing until child mortality started going down and we still see that today with more births in countries with higher infant mortality so you get enough of them to live.
Your other reasons for doubting the veracity of that historical claim are probably valid. Some of those early documented claims result from bad record keeping. The person with the record longest lifespan may have been a case of a parent and child with the same name having causing confusion on which records were whose.
And from what I remember a lot of them didn’t make it past infancy, which, common. I’m sure the exact number is probably exaggerated or maybe they double counted a set or two when doing a survey. Still, I definitely think she had a lot of multiples, just probably not that many and certainly not all of them lived
Thanks for bringing that up, yes your life span in the 1700s was generally gonna be more than 50 years. Usually, unless you’re in a hunter-gatherer society (which are basically non existent at this point), you’re going to easily live into your 50s and probably past your 50s. Heck, Neanderthals lived to their 50s (if I remember correctly their average life span was into their mid 40s). Once people started farming we were able to live longer since there was more food available to us, and it wasn’t until the advent of modern medicine and ultra mass production of food in the late 1800s-early 1900s that people were able to live any amount longer than they were previously.
Just wanted to add a bit to your point, hope you don’t mind.
It also wasn't unknown to claim a child that wasn't yours by lieing about giving birth to it, often to cover up a daughter or sister giving birth out of wedlock. So I wonder if some of that may have happened?
In the 1700's the records that they kept of births, deaths and marriages were kept by the church. My family is from Poland and my sister was able to trace back our family back to the 1700 through church records. Mark
Also a quick google search says that the chances of dying in childbirth in the 1700s sat around 1.5%. That's certainly not nothing, but women weren't dropping like mayflies either.
I think most genealogists can tell you that surviving many, many births was most definitely a thing in the 1700s. Sure, many mothers died in childbirth, more died afterwards, but I have found several well documented cases (among my own ancestors and their relatives) where mothers of 13 or 15 died at a (relatively) old age. Of course, most of these children didn't survive their childhood or even their first year (which is probably the reason the mother got pregnant again very soon).
There is a couple among my ancestors in the 1600s/1700s where their obituaries/death entries specifically mention, with an exclamation mark, that all 7 children born to them were still alive at their deaths. Because that is something that rarely ever happened in the past.
As an archivist, just looking at genealogical records of course skews the picture because you need a lineage and not everyone reproduced successfully. But in general, I agree. It was way more common than today, but women weren't dropping dead left and right. Of course with multiples it's always a different ballgame than with singletons. I have seen quite a huge number of records and the vast majority were singletons. I can only recall two twin records I saw. No higher order multiples (which are still a huge risk in todays age as someone in fertility treatment. My doctors doesn't even want to risk twins because the outcomes still aren't great compared to singletons)
I wonder if there is some kind of survivorship bias here, and she just happens to be someone who has a very well behaved uterus and pelvis! If she had a successful multiple birth then maybe her body was just very well suited to it so she’s more likely to have further successful ones. Maybe she has great hormones and doesn’t have any issues with uterine atony or placenta detachment.
@tattycakes2k2 the chances of conceiving quadruplets is 0.0002 percent with the number of fetuses surviving till birth is even lower. And this is today's day and age of medical reproductive intervention. Achieving her birth numbers today is literally unheard of. Theories of wrong records or she taking in more children from other wome are way more plausible. Or she was the cautionary tale of the region to get youngsters to abstain from sex which evolved to this myth and not a lot is true in general.
I agree with you. My mom is really into genealogy and there are multiple people in my family way back in the 1700’s and 1800’s who had 18 - 25 kids. One did die giving birth but the others died of other things when they got older. Not all of the children lived of course
I haven't gone back too far in the 1700s, but I have a couple in my family tree that had 7 children. And a little later at the very start of the 1800s, two brothers who both got 8 children including one set of twins. In both cases, their wives didn't die in childbirth but after they stopped having children. I'm wondering if somehow in that village a hyper ovulation mutation was common, because I feel like I've come across a lot more twin births in those records compared to other cities in my family tree. It might be interesting to actually count and compare them.
My grandma is 1 of 21. 4 sets of twins and the rest were singletons. No fertility treatments, just kept having kids. I come across family I haven't met all the time 😅 The old newspaper articles about them are wild to see even being my own family!
There's a family in New Zealand that naturally conceived 4 sets of twins in 5 years!
who are these people who even have time to bump uglies with multiple sets of twins?!
That's SO many! I couldn't
My brother and sister in law had 3 sets of twins in 22 years. She was exhausted even with there being 3-4 years apart.
Is that even possible? I hate when pro life says it, but maybe stop having sex 🙈
I happen to know them! Was their neighbour once
I remember YEARS ago on TLC they had a special called Twins, Twins, and More Twins! The mother had 6 kids from her first marriage, then married her second husband had twins, singleton, twins, and was pregnant with another set of twins. I wonder what ever happened to them.
Major lack of sleep
There are multiple definitions for “Irish twins” They can also be “born less than 12 months apart”. My girls are Irish twins because one was born March 16 2017 and the next was born March 12 2018. So they are the same age for that almost week.
My former friend's first boyfriend, Perv, was born Jan 7th or something like that. He had five older half siblings. One year after Perv, on January 3rd, his parents had twin girls. The next year, on January 2nd, they had a second set of twin girls.
Perv was incredibly abusive towards my friend, but as she refused to realize it our friendship was over (he isolated her so that she dropped all her friends).
Later I worked in the town Perv was from, and met one of his nephews. His family was infamous at the school; not only because there had been so many of them, but because they had all been completely illiterate
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A few years later I worked at another school and had this student who was also basically illiterate and spent all the time I tried to tutor her screaming about how she wanted a baby because that would fix "everything". She was incredibly immature and very low functioning. Well, a year later she had a baby with Perv. She had just turned 16 (with the mental age of 8) and he was 37, with a long history of abusive relationships and stints in prison as he was a career criminal by that time. Truly revolting all around.
Irish twins? My brother and sister are 11 and a half months apart. I have to tell them that!!
Im pretty sure the if the children are the same age for any amount of time it would qualify as irish twins.
My sister and I were born in January and December the same year 😅
Mine are the same age for 7 weeks
My great great grandmother was in Ripleys Believe it or Not for having a crazy number of grandkids. My Grandfather was one of over 160 grandkids. During a family get together, they had to use a special panoramic camera to capture everyone. At the time, it was newer technology that was really only used for very special occasions or to capture city landscapes. Her house still stands in Ohio and is a heritage site that can be toured. Mennonites and Amish have insane numbers of children. She had about 20 kids, and each of them averaged around 20 kids. My grandfather only had one other sibling though. His family were like the black sheep 🤣
kinda reminds me of British Queen Victoria:(born 24th of May or fifth month of the year 1837 and died the 22nd of January or first month of the year 1901):she had 9 children all made it to adulthood still she outlived like 3 and her firstborn child:(also a Victoria and even the British queen’s mother was a Victoria as well):only died like half a year after QV and the British Queen had something like 40 grandchildren or somthing
my grandma was 52 when she birthed my mom! she had 11 kids, any time grandpa came home from his trucking job she got pregnant.
Recently at his funeral we learned he continued “contributing to the population” all around the country while on the road.
We also finally put together the pieces of why died. Grandma was a stubborn lady and didn’t like going to the doctor. When i was two she figured out she had cervical cancer and was going to die in a couple months. We also learned she had “untraceable” HPV🧐
Oh so basically your grandpa’s like a serial cheater
I remember when I was student teaching first graders, one of my students (6) had an identical twin brother. They also had identical twin older brothers (8). Then two singletons (2, 1). My heart went out to that momma cause that is a lot. They also lived in a low income area, so I know it was hard to get by as is. The kids were mostly well behaved and did pretty okay academically too.
I do think in larger families with many children that the older kids help out with the parenting. That was true in both my mom and dad's families, with 8 and 5 siblings respectively (and both were poor).
@@KatharineOsborne Usually that’s just the older GIRLS. They become a surrogate mother to their younger siblings.
Twice I had a friend who always had their younger sister in tow. That’s why I told my mother I didn’t want a younger sibling. Luckily she never planned on having more than two.
@@kellydalstok8900yep can confirm. Am the only girl and oldest of 4. Guess who was expected to change diapers at 7? Don’t do that crap to daughters
you should do a video about villages/towns where there are clusters of twins! I always find it fun that there are places where hyper-ovulation becomes common on a population level.
Yea! That town in India…
I have two sets of twins! Wasn't expecting twins the first time and *really* wasn't expecting them the second time! We took permanent measures after the last set, I can't imagine not doing that. The funny thing is that I find medical professionals of all stripes are kinda fascinated by it and want to talk about it - even dentists and chemists get excited lol
I work with a lady. She had 1,2,1 and then 2. ALL GIRLS! I honestly don't know how she does it.
You are a super mamma with 2 sets ❤️ I have one set of frat girls, sent my husband for a vasectomy when they were babies 😅
My mom had two sets. My brother's are 4 yrs older than my sister and I. Different dad's as well. Two sets was enough lol
When it comes to singles the Radford family here in the U.K. has had 22 children 11 girls and 11 boys, currently the biggest family in the U.K. from the same wife and husband, they’re a wonderful family and have a UA-cam channel too xx
Yeah they're a lovely family.
poor girl, nobody should go through that. Can't believe she is able to laugh about it while naming her children. She is so strong and sweet.
44 kids, wow!
After everything she's been through, she's smiling as she's naming her children. She has my admiration (and sympathy).
My grandmother had 8 children, in them 2 sets of twins. They were good sized 6-7 lbs each. My dad was a single birth and he was 12lbs! That woman had huge children!
Imagine a 12 pound vaginal birth...ouch.
In the US the biggest families I know of are the Bates and the Duggers. (I know, I know) Each have 19 children. 2 sets of twins in the Duggar family. None in the Bates family. Since neither family believes in birth control, it is the closest modern day example I think of. Both moms started having kids at about 21 and went to 45-ish.
The British Radford family has 21 children of 22 pregnancies (one stillborn). They were also on TV and it's crazy how the parents were able to keep up with everything.
I’m sure there are bigger US families, they just aren’t interested in monetizing their family. Personally know several non-blended families with 9+ kids…
Thank you for mentioning HG! My pregnant friend is struggling with it and it’s absolutely crazy. Anyone who’s dealt with the HG is so strong!
I had it with my daughter. I had 2 boys before her and 2 after. She was the only pregnancy that made me that sick. I kept calling the doctor and saying I am throwing up way too much with this pregnancy. They said you are fine. When I went in 2 weeks later I had lost 20 lbs in 2 &1/2 weeks. They hospitalized me for 3 days. I was incredibly dehydrated. I had to take nausea meds throughout the remainder of my pregnancy. It was awful. I would be driving down the road and have to pull over and get sick. It hit me all day long.
@@raimeyewens7518 you’re so strong mama! My friend has been the same way in and out of the hospital, losing 20 or so lbs, and just miserable like you’ve mentioned. I heard it’s worse or more typical while carrying a baby girl specifically, which is what she’s having. I’m sorry you went through such a difficult time while pregnant with her 🫶 seriously you’re so strong!
As an only child and someone who doesn’t want children, it is wild to me that people who have access to contraceptives actively try to have so many children. I would be exhausted!
I agree.
I’m not an only child:(except for when I was a toddler so I of course don’t really remember that time at all):and don’t really wish to experience pregnancy yet I’d like to have maybe a
few:(well maybe more than a few):children someday in the unknown mysterious future and it’s not really all that too very wild to me that people who apparently presumably have access to maybe probably entirely unwanted contraceptives
would apparently actively
have so many children perhaps in part because they’re like so so very in love and/or really like the process or method or whatever that to them having their several children who’re probably not always planned
At the summer camp I worked at, one family had 2 sets of twins. Adorable and sweet...and the idea of that my family growing that fast is terrifying
my fiance's mother is a twin so I am trying not to think about the genetic lottery
10:24 I appreciate your attempt in pronouncing their names and I hope you don't mind the correction - the gruzman family names are all Hebrew names, so rochel would likely be pronounced rakhel/rokhel, yocheved would be yokheved (basically, like how channuka is spelled with a ch and said with a h/kh sound - it's basically the same thing here)
Love your videos!
(oh and chanie would be khanie - same sound)
lol yeah I figured they were probably Amish because of the dad's beard and the kids' names haha
@@WishGender The article was from a Jewish newspaper and with that name Gruzman they would be Orthodox Jews.
Yup. I found myself correcting Mama Doctor Jones out loud.
And of course it's shih-mon and not shy-mon!
That's so funny, I was listening while doing laundry and then heard you talking about the gruzman family. When I heard the names Mushka and Ita I was like wait a minute! I'm Orthodox Jewish and come from a chabad family myself so I was surprised to hear those names haha
I’m going to cry for the last mom I can’t believe they forced her to have more babies when she didn’t want to I feel so lucky! As a result she had over 20 more and at least 6 died! Horrible !! 😢
At one point she had more children than years she had been on this earth. It is heartbreaking to think about.
We suffered with infertility (PCOS) and fertility treatments for 6 1/2 years and when we FINALLY were able to get pregnant and keep it, I desperately wanted twins because I never wanted any kids we had to be only-children. I feared we wouldn't be able to have any more! With luck (and medical help), I've had 3 singletons and my husband's sisters are getting twins. 😂
That's wonderful. My family has PCOS as well. I was told I'd never be able to have kids but had two naturally in my mid twenties. My daughter had one in her mid twenties but is now needing fertility help at just 30 because of PCOS. I'm praying for her. The only time I had regular periods was when I was on birth control. Otherwise only 7‐8 irregular periods a year. My sister just had one baby at 35. A big surprise because she had never used birth control and also had PCOS. There wasn't the same fertility help back then and it wasn't covered by insurance.
I already had 4 kids and was done... but got pregnant again and I was upset bc I didn't want an odd number of kids. I found out it was boy/ girl twins... so ended up with 3 of each lol. They even went boy girl boy girl boy girl in a nice pattern😂
OMG I was JUST like "Hey, what about Mama Doctor Jones, I think she hasn't uploaded in a while" and come here to see that you uploaded this half an hour ago? Talk about a coincidence!
My father had an aunt or great-aunt who had about 22 of 23 babies, but also lost some. This was somewhere in the late 1800 - begin 1900's, on a farming family they had the space and often had big families because also a lot of kids died young. His aunt had several twins and one triplet (of which one died at birth) and 8 of 9 singletons. So about 14 or 15 pregnancies in total in about 22-23 years. I remember him saying 18 reached at least 21 years. Can you imagine a Christmas with the grandkids in their family lol
Thank you for reacting the same way I did about the 17 hundreds something multiples. I call that story a major urban legend, for the same reasons you named.
Bureaucracy was not invented in the 20th century. Vasiliev's story is very well documented in the Russian Empire. Vasiliev, the father, wrote a letter to the Empress to ask for help with feeding the children around child 30. At the time the Church was responsible for all records. The Empress checked the records and witnesses were questioned. Vasiliev also officially met Empress Ekaterina the Second, it is again documented. The family was given pension from the state and all of the kids born after the petition to the Empress were recorded by the Church and the State. So no not a legend.
Plus when we lived in Canada in the early 2000s we met a french Canadian in his 80s who was one of 21 children.
His mother gave birth to 21 children in 20 years no twins. She was literally pregnant for 20 years straight and more when 1 a year.
Over all strange things happen.
@@Marisha0111 Two sets of quadruplets, all of them and the mother surviving? I am not buying that story, I am very sorry.
My mom had 3 kids : one ectopic (4th kid), my brother premature, my sister normal and me 8 years after at 38. Miracle 🎉 she also calls us the wrong names and the cats names all the time 😂
My mom's only got 2 kids and I've still been called the dog's name, even when my sister didn't live with us anymore.
My mum was a hyper ovulator. Last two pregnancies we're quads and quints. Zero fertility treatment. All natural, geriatric pregnancies.
I have an old friend who had twin boys in January 2011. They had a second set of twin boys in December 2011. I believe the parents were 17F and 19M at the time. Now they have 7 kids, 2 sets of identical twins, 1 set of fraternal twins, and finally a singleton.
My local multiple birth group went from not having any sets of multiple multiples in over a decade (that we're aware of) to having three families with two sets of twins in two years. And somehow all the families have a set of fraternal and a set of identicals. Like the odds of that are so weird, two sets of the same kind would make sense but one set of each? Bananas!
We also have a set of heteromaternal twins, one conceived by donor egg and one spontaneously conceived (only one embryo was implanted and the twins are boy/girl). Like science has given us a whole new category of twins!
I couldn’t even imagine this. My girls were 16 1/2 months apart, but the thought of having another girl gave me nightmares! My girls couldn’t agree on _anything_ , and fought about _everything_ ! I stayed on birth control until it affected my blood pressure (I told my doctor it had to be my girls)! I love them dearly, and they get along great now, but two were enough for me!
Funny story about my Mum. She had two children 10 years apart (yes, years. My brother is 10 years older than me). I must have totally fried her brain. I remember her trying to yell at me, calling me my brother’s _full name_ , my Dad’s name, both cats’ names, and finally, out of frustration, pointing at me and yelling, *_YOU_* in this almost inhuman guttural voice! ❤ my brother was laughing, the cats scattered in different directions, and I just stood there saying, “my name is Wendy, mummy. How could you forget? Don’t you love me anymore?” My poor Mum just threw up her hands and went to her room. She put herself in timeout 😂! It must be a girl thing. We break our Mum’s brains! Multiple births? No thank you!
My grandmother had a boy but lost him after birth at 1 or 2 months old. She then had my Aunt and a year later, my mother. Then, 10 years later, my twin Aunt's (fracturnal) [sp?] were born. They were a complete surprise after a fun night of dancing at a club for grandpa and grandma. 😊
Yup! In my family it "skipped" a generation because only one of my grandafthers sister had children, and in particular, his twin sister did not have bio children. However, my mom had twins (me + my brother), and so did two of her cousins (though one was a boy cousin so that's just coincidence)
There is also no documentary, or DNA (just lore) evidence that Valentina had that many kids. The situation has been noted as to be under suspicion since like 1800 or something when they spoke to part of the family in Moscow who said it was baloney. I have a 5th great grandad with 22 kids. His first wife had 13 of them. When she passed away, he married his wifes 15 year old great-niece (same first middle and surnames) and she had the other 9 kids before he died. I have been doing my family genealogy since 2005 and chatter in the family for a long time was that all 22 kids were from his one wife. Since his second wife had the exact same (common as all get out) name, the second marriage was obviously forgotten about by later generations. How this happened is still a mystery because several of his first wifes children had the same first names as a half-sibling by his second wife. He had two sons namd after himself and his wives each had a daughter named after themself. And by the time he married the second time, his oldest children with his first wife had families and/or were starting families, so he had kids younger than some of his grandkids. That branch of the family is a hot-mess. The ancestress I have with the most children is a 5th great granny on another branch. She had 15 children 11 boys and 4 girls, and birth records etc exist, so that has been confirmed. If Feodor Vassilyev married two (or more) women named Valentina related or not, that could also be part of it. Record keeping was horrible everywhere, not just rural Russia, so alot of the kids could have been adopted etc as well.
I also do genealogy and I know what you mean with the similar/identical names! Combined with poor record keeping is a nightmare! I have what I believe to be 4 generations of men named Francois. Of course, I didn't know this when I started, so as I dug through records I kept finding things like property purchase records when Francois was too young and marriage records to a woman named Marie about 25 years apart. Francois changed to Francois Jr. to Francois III and I hope finally to Francois IV. There seems to have been a rule that all women had the first name Marie with different middle names, so Marie Francoise, Marie Pelagie, Marie Elodie and Marie Euphrosie are a few examples of the women in that branch. Each Francois was married to a Marie something.
I learned that in the 1800s it wasn't uncommon for the new wife to name one of her daughters after the previous wife who passed away as a way to honor her. I have at least one example of that in my direct ancestors. I've also learned it's worth researching at least the names of my ancestor's sibling's children because of the times two siblings have each named their children after the siblings' father or grandfather or named their child after their sibling. This is usually the case when I find records for someone that don't make sense age/year-wise.
@@AmyEugene Ughf, yeah, when you get all the naming after family members with a junk-ton of kids it can get complicated. I have a brother and a cousin with the same name. My brother and I are 11 years older than our cousin though. My name is one of the three most common on my fathers family tree so I understand that also. You also have wierd names pop up, on a couple of branches on my moms side I have men (mid-late 1800s) given maiden names of thier grandmother's, great grannies etc as first names etc so Ensign, Mayo, Couch, and Friend have all popped up as first names. None had a "junior" though. They gave thier sons real names instead.
There's also the possibility (due to the number of believed multiples) that several of the children where actually just the neighbor's kids but the mother died in childbirth. In a pre-formula world the best option was to find the nearest person who was lactating and ask if they could help. Valentina could have just produced abnormally high amounts of milk, meaning that it would be possible to help multiple children at once who would otherwise die, leading to the stories of multiple sets of higher order multiples.
The twins running in the family is interesting - it runs in my family, from my maternal grandparents. My Grandfather was one of three sets of twins (he was the youngest of 15 children). My Grandmother had what she thought was a miscarriage and then went on to have a full-term baby - my mother (i.e. she miscarried one of the twins). I have conceived 2 sets of twins. One I miscarried both at about 10 weeks, the other, I miscarried one of the twins at about 7 weeks, the other continued with a normal pregnancy - my second child.
My irish dad is from a family of13 kids and my Scottish mum from 9. This was in the 60s, it sounds terrifying to me 😬
Truly, hats off to anyone who can withstand multiple pregnancies, let alone multiple pregnancies with multiples. I am 10w 2d with my first and MISERABLE. Not HG but the next level down from there and I’m already saying no more. I know many women don’t have major symptoms but I can’t even fathom spending years of my life in minor nausea.
I was already flabbergasted when my first pregnancy was twins (no twins in family). Can't imagine having more twins. 😵 Our third is a singleton btw. ☺️
My mom is very into genealogy, and she found an ancestor of ours that had 9 sets of twins and 3 sets of triplets in the mid-1700s. They were all boy-girl/boy-boy-girl and none of the boys survived past one, but all the girls grew up. She lived to her late 80s.
I used to have a friend whose mum was a twin, she had 2 aunts who were twins, 4 uncles who were twins and she had 2 sets of twins as siblings. My friend was the only single kid!
She went on to have kids and guess what? She had twins! Oh, none of them were identical twins btw but I always found it fascinating 🧐
6:52 My mom had horrible nausea for the entire pregnancy with me. I can't even imagine having hyperemesis gravidarum and suffering for 9 MONTHS
10:33 basically naming your daughters Rachel and Leah is hilarious.
One is obvious the favorite twin 😂
@@Elizabeth-hc3mi
the Rachel twin?
As a family tree keeper, I can guarantee you records that old were extremely shoddy. I found one that said a distant grandmother was having babies after her date of death. I cut that branch short, after reading that.
My aunt had 3 sets of twins. It’s insane to think about how shocked she was
I've spent 5.5 years out of the last 8.5 pregnant... as I'm only 28 and may be having kids into my early 40's like my mom, I might get close to 18 years of pregnancy 😂 All singles😅 But my hubby and I both have a feeling twins are in our future😵💫😄 My mom had 2 sets so I guess you never know! Good thing we love being parents and have such great kids❤
Is your body ok? I thought it was recommended to wait longer between pregnancies? Especially with the strain of caring for young children at the same time. I ask because it surprises me that you are planning to keep getting pregnant during the next 10 years +
@papiliopurpuro I think they recommend around 18-24 months between🤔. I was doing good until my 7th pregnancy when some hereditary health issues started to get harder to stay on top of. So we decided it would be wise to take a break, but my body pranked me and God gave us a little surprise with pregnancy #8 😄. The hope is to get health back under control in the next year or two and get back to having kids because they are so stinking precious, but we will play it all by how I'm doing, of course. No pregnancy related health problems except, since #8, my thyroid has been swollen, but my doctor says everything looks normal so it must be from pregnancy 🧐 Thank you for asking so politely ❤️ My family is my joy and I wouldn't trade it for anything!
@@average4098 wow that's a lot to go through- getting pregnant when you decided to take a break too, I'm glad the pregnancy went ok and didn't have a significant impact on your health. It's interesting that health professionals recommend 18 months+ break between pregnancies, I wonder what that's actually based on as it seems from this comment section that many people have had several children with a smaller gap and no unwanted consequences 🤷🏻♀️
@@papiliopurpuro That's a really good question! I never thought about it🤔 I always just kinda chuckle when I hear it and keep going on with my day😄
I had two sets of twins (no fertility treatments) in four pregnancies and I thought that was a lot.
My best friends in high school were twins, and they had a set of twin brothers a couple of years younger. Another family I know quite well had a singleton, 14 months later another singleton then 11 months and 29 days a set of twins - they had four kids under 2 and a half!
In my own family history, on both sides, it was very common for them to have between 8 and 15 children and nearly all of these grew to adult hood themselves. My father was one of 11 (one died at 2 from a burst appendix) and his father was one of 9 (with one child stillborn), and his father was one of ten or eleven. While Mum was one of three, her father was one of nine. All of these children would've been born before there was good contraceptives and good maternal care.
Multiples run on my maternal side. My great-grandmother had a set of twins, my grandmother miscarriage a set of twins, then my aunt's last pregnancy was a set of twins (boy and girl). Only a matter of time until the next generation, either me or my other cousins or my cousins current kids have any multiple sets. So far only two of my cousins have kids and they are single births. One cousin has two single girls and the other a girl and boy singles.
My nan was 8th of 9. Her mum's first husband died and she remarried a few years later. I think there were 4 from the first marriage and 5 from the second. My nan didn't quite make the 1901 census here in the UK. My dad said he never bothered to learn all the names of his aunts and uncles as there so many of them. I don't think 8 is that many, although I can only recall the names of 4 great aunts / uncles without looking them it.
There is this old couple upcountry where I grew up, they had 15 children and only one passed so it total, they raised 14 children. Now that's strength.
I’ve also had 2 sets of twins although unfortunately one little one didn’t make it to 37 weeks, and my sister has twins too. Yeah we hyperovulate so we knew that after our 4 girls we wouldn’t go for a fifth😂. Still I get the question ‘are you going for a boy now?’ and the thought of being pregnant of twins again makes my body go into shock🤣.
I'm a twin and when I had an ultrasound in my 20s, it was found out that I had something like six eggs ready to go at any given time. I never had biological children, so I guess I dodged the bullet at that one!
Every month the woman's body readys 6-12 follicles and picks the 'Best' 1 or 2 to ovulate. Having 6 is on the low end of normal for a person in their 20's.
Interesting!
We were more than half expecting me to have at least one set of twins. Hubby's younger brother & sister are twins, there are twins on my Dad's side in my generation (my older cousin had 2 sets of twins), my Mum's cousin had had twins, and so on where there were twins in the same as well as alternating generations on both sides for 4 generations that we know of. I had 4 singletons 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: as one of 4 girls, whose dad had three sisters, I would sometimes get annoyed with him calling for me in everyone's name but mine! In frustration he'd sometimes yell, "Number three!" 😂. I would, as I said, occasionally get upset by this, but by the time I had my second child 19 months later (one boy then one girl at the time. Followed by another boy then girl a couple of years later, also 19 months apart, with each boy's birthdays being c. 2 weeks apart, as with both girls!), I was already tripping over my tongue. One day I phoned Dad and said, "I'm sorry!" "What for?" "Getting cross with you for not getting my name out!" He cracked up! 🤣🤣🤣
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They have an army unit’s worth of kids!
I'm a twin. My parents had 2 sets of twin girls born 18 months apart and then a 11 year gap and then had 2 boys born 18 months apart. I am from the first set of twins (2nd born, non identical), 2nd set of twins are identical. My mom had her first kids at 21, then at 23, then at 32 and 34. I was always told it skips a generation on my mothers family side. Because my grandmother did not have twins but my great grandmother did.
The word Mother & grandmother is offensive. Didn't you get the memo? Call it 'Birthing Person' or 'GrandPerson'
Had a friend in high school whose father’s side had many sets of multiples including her dad. He was an identical twin. She said going to his family reunions was strange because there were so many sets of identical people there.
My grandfather had a twin brother, I gave birth to twins and my cousin (granddaughter of the same grandfather) also gave birth to twins. Monozygotic each time.
Is that also inherited or just a really funny coincidence? I don't remember what MDJ said about that
@@SaheeliRaiI think it's inherited, but maybe @MamaDoctorJones will answer
Many years ago I met a mom at the mall. She had two sets of identical twins. They we’re absolutely identical with white blond hair. Absolutely adorable. She did share that her doctor said she was very likely to have identical twins again.
People in the 1700s regularly lived way past 50. It's just that the avarages are scewed by high childhood mortality rates (a lot of kids died before age 5, afterwards they were considered fairly safe), high maternal mortality rates, and a lot of men died in wars.
What is more unlikely is being fertile at such a young age to make this possible. In the past girls usually got their periods at a later age then now (around age 16 or 17). Due to diet and harsher conditions and such. Aside from royalty, no one married that young either. Because anyone knows it is more dangerous to have kids that young. And royal girls also were not forced to consumate until they were older.
I get so tired of this kind of misinformation.
Why they heck do people have so many kids? HOW DO THEY AFFORD THEM? Do they use state funding to help pay for the children? Why should taxpayers pay for someone to have 15 children (less the number they can afford)? Why didn’t they use any kind of contraception or have surgery?
My friend just had a pregnancy that was 5 empty sacs. Dr said she ovulated two eggs and each of them split. But nothing developed. What is this? She’s never taken fertility drugs. She was floored.. and for none of them to develop?
As a Jewish person I found it hilarious how you pronounced the names of the Gruzman family, but I know it's not easy to pronounce those names so I don't blame you. But I'm surprised you messed up the title "Rabbi" because most people are aware that that's a religious title (like pastor, imam, etc.).
I had two singleton boys and our 3rd pregnancy was boy girl twins. I’ll never forget taking a pregnancy test before I was even late (we were trying and used ovulation strips so I know the date we conceived). It showed up dark positive, and a few nights later I had a dream we had boy girl twins. My husband and I laughed about it until my first sonogram. Sure enough, twins!
I knew it though, because usually I wouldn’t even get a faint positive until at least a week after a missed period. I knew the moment it showed up positive so fast, dark, and early. I LOVED having twins! I honestly wish our first two boys would’ve been twins!
Twins run on both sides of my family. On mom's side at least 2 sets every generation (both sisters miscarried twins, she had twin brothers, her maternal aunt miscarried twins, her paternal uncle had twins and her first cousin on her dad's side had 2 sets of twins) On dad's side his aunt (mom's sister) was a twin and his dad's brother and sister both had twins with one of the twins having twin grandchildren. My oldest son was the surviving MoMo twin and him and his girlfriend lost a twin during their first pregnancy 5 yrs ago. They then miscarried 4 sets of twins before having miracle twins in 2020 born at 23 weeks, one living for 5 days and the other for 2 years. My daughter said she is good on having kids and can adopt if/when she wants kids because she does not want twins.
Oh no that’s awful they lost so many children 😢 Sorry for your losses 😭 May the surviving child grow big and strong.
@@TheHeartThief She just turned 5 and is a little busy bee and totally healthy.. I have a few years before the 19 and 14 yr old decide if they want to have kids. Right now my daughter said she is good and plans to adopt but she might change her mind. We have a long time before she is really old enough to decide.
My great great grandma had four kids including one set of twins. Three of the four went on to have twins of their own. Fertility genetics are wild.
Great video!!! I loved learning about genetic hyperovulation from our trustworthy MDJ
The level of care to use inclusive language is so appreciated ❤
Dr Jones, idk if you'll see this and it's unrelated to this topic but I wonder if you might be able to answer a pregnancy related hypothetical that thus far, I haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer to. If you have a lady who's gotten pregnant quite a few times, will she begin menopause at a later age than she would have had she had no pregnancies? Given that you obviously aren't ovulating while pregnant.
What about the mom from Haiti that had I think 71 kiddos and many were multiples? There are black and white photos of her with all of them.
Loved the video. The last one breaks my heart for myriad reasons.
Okay I had to comment again. You address stuff that I get argued with all the time. Thank you !
I used to babysit for a family that had two sets of fraternal twins. The mom would joke that she was a "double egg dropper"
Went to college with a set of boy/girl twins who were the youngest of 8. They told me that they had 2 other sets of twins in their family. The story goes, 2 single boys were born. They wanted a girl, so tried again. Set of boy twins. So they tried again, another set of boy twins. They really wanted a girl, so they tried yet again. Finally a set with a boy and girl. This was in the mid-80's. I don't know whether fertility treatments were involved, but loved the story of how much they wanted to have a girl.
My friend had fraternal twins and less than two years later her second pregnancy was fraternal twins again. Her husband got a vasectomy after that.
ONE CORRECTION. The reason why we think people didn’t make it to old age is because of the mortality rates of babies, infants, school aged, and up until college aged children was high. However, if you made it pass the numerous things that could kill you while growing up, you could make it well into your 50s and 60s back then.
I went to Ireland for a student exchange program 15 years ago and the student I exchanged with was one of triplets (3 identical girls came to pick me up on the bus it was baffling) et their big sisters were identical twins. The parents were like yep, got pregnant twice, that's it !
I made it to 36 weeks with spontaneous triplets. I could've gone longer but was so uncomfortable we scheduled the c-section at 36 weeks. The babies had NO NICU time and came home with me. They were 6lb. 14oz, 4lbs. 11oz, 4lbs. 14oz. Super healthy.
My maternal grandmother had a single first pregnancy followed by three sets of twins and ended with a single birth. My mother was the oldest. The family had a joke about the bookend singles. The youngest was known as being rather flighty and scatter brained. The joke was that the oldest and youngest were SUPPOSED to be twins, but the youngest, who was 18 years younger than the eldest child, got distracted by something and wasn't available for that first pregnancy. Having missed her chance, she went to the end of the line and was born last.
Sometimes traits DO skip a generation. Both my maternal grandma and I got migraines but my mom never did. Migraines are genetic.
A century ago a couple in my family tree had, back to back : twins (didn't survive), twins again, and then triplets. Family legend says the dad either fainted or started weeping when he found our there was a 3rd baby still about to come out. 7 babies (first two dead) in 3 years. Woooof. They didn't have babies after that.
Let's pretend the first story is real, would it make it any more plausible if they added miscarriages into the total tally?
Not multiples but still interesting imo. Right after my mom found out she was pregnant with me, she had a dream she had triplet girls. She was convinced she having multiples. Sometime after my parents announced they were pregnant, my dad's older brother announced he and his wife were pregnant too. Then a month later, my dad's younger brother announced he and his wife were pregnant. The due dates were spread over 7 weeks. Well, I ended up being a week late, my cousin was 2 weeks early, and other cousin was 6 weeks early. Within 36 hours, all of my nana's sons had daughters. So in a way, my mom's dream was right.
When I was a kid my dad was friends with two brothers that from what I recall were two of 20+ children (the younger of the two my dad knew was the 20th and wasn't the youngest) and from what I recall all of them were singletons, with the same parents who were neither Roman Catholic nor Mormon. The parents give their children first names that all began with the same letter and middle names that were alphabetical, so the oldest had a middle name starting with an A and the next a B, and so on to somewhere past T.
I also remember a family my mum in knew in the late 80s or very early 90s who had a singleton, then twins, then triplets, and reportedly decided to avoid having another pregnancy in case that would result in quadruplets.
I have 5 sets of twins in my family 😂
I'm Kelly and my sister is Katie. Sometimes my Dad would just give up and call us Irving.
i have hyperovulation and it actually made having a baby harder. 12 miscarriages + pregnancy losses all over 10 weeks gestation. And with our now toddler, just one, he was a twin but baby B stopped growing during the first trimester. it was so scary the complications that have come with this all. We're lucky to have our 1 living child. We want another successful pregnancy but it will have to be very planned and with lots of oversight :(
i’m so sorry i know you tried and they’re not common names in america but i cant with the pronunciation of the gruzman family 😭
"i know all of them" 😂 I love it. She is amazing!
Oh poor Mama Uganda, her doctor should have done better by her. In just that little clip she seems like such a kind soul.
My first boss was from the Falklands, born in 1928 when folks down there got their peat cutters/farmhands the old-fashioned way - he was one of 29 kids, and as he always joked "and only 3 sets of twins!" (He escaped at 16 by stowing away on an Antarctic research vessel & never looked back.)