Great interview! It’s fantastic to see a Nobel-Prize-winning biologist getting into this field, and coming to the conclusion that we know enough about the hallmarks of ageing to begin to intervene. I don’t have a Nobel but I came to the same conclusion when I started studying ageing biology!
Unfortunately his comments on the ethics of targeting aging biology are very disappointing. He calls it a first-world problem, even though average global life expectancy is 72 years. And he states population growth would be a problem, which you made an excellent video rebuttal on.
@@SirTenenbaum Yes, I was disappointed by those comments… When referring to it as a ‘first-world problem’, he says ‘as someone who grew up in India’-a country where almost 70% of deaths are caused by ageing! And that number is of course growing all the time as India develops. And thanks, glad you enjoyed my video!
@@alexanderchikunov7593 Sorry to hear you’re so pessimistic. You might enjoy my book, where I go through what we do and don’t know about ageing, and where we’re close to some exciting breakthroughs. Despite some trying to cash in on the excitement around longevity, it’s definitely not all ‘business-driven’!
@@alexanderchikunov7593 At this point, with the sudden emergence of AI as a tool that is growing at an incredible rate, we really have no idea how close we are or not. AI drug discovery programs like AlphaFold 3 and ESM3 are immensely powerful and are far beyond anything we have ever seen, and will rapidly accelerate the entire R&D chain.
It’s not just living longer but being healthy longer. Many humans in world who lived over 100 but very few with good quality of life to be functional mind and body.
I would take 10 years of extra healthy life but not have a longer life. I am now 76. I hope for another 10 years. I dont want any more. Ive never been afraid of death. Even at times wished for it. Have no problem accepting my own mortality.
Agree but not just climate change but global pollution, loss of land and fresh water to commercial mass prod’n for convenience and consumerism and need for more effective ways to cope with growing tonns of garbage and chemicals. What happened to push for recycling and reusing?
True!not even a fraction of the trillions of $ poured into material sciences(non-living) is spent into understanding the living " cell",the neuron whose functions and characteristics are jealously guarded by nature and remain an enigma to modern neurology !
I am a psychotraumatologist, in our research we see that DNA repair is highly significantly correlated to successful trauma focused psychotherapy with methods such as Narrative Exposure Therapy NET. If I were researching DNA repair, I would pull out Vincent Felitti’s ACE scale, modern version is Martin Teicher’s (Harvard) MACE scale And do a checklist intake on adversity and trauma in childhood before I research any markers that have to do with gene’s or biology. Then I would run a controlled randomised trial, comparing those that have received trauma- focussed Psychotherapy with those who haven’t. What do you think? Why suicidal ideation is related for exactly the same reason. Early childhood trauma and adversity especially changes your immune system etc… but we know that this can be reversed with successful trauma-focussed treatment, even if the body is already affected by cancer, heart disease, or other diseases such as auto-immune diseases , cancer, for example. Just let the medical world is ignorant of the impact of trauma and life stressors. many people would benefit from effective psychotherapy rather than medication
1. Yang Chen-Ning (1922-Oct-01) is 102 years old 2. Robert Kuok (1923-Oct-06) is 101 years old 3. Jimmy Carter (1924-Oct-01) is 100 years old 4. Mahathir Mohamad (1925-Jul-10) is 99 years old 5. David Attenborough (1926-May-08) is 98 years old 6. Desmond Morris (1928-Jan-24) is 96 years old 7. James Watson (1928-Apr-06) is 96 years old 8. Li Ka-shing (1928-Jun-13) is 96 years old 9. Noam Chomsky (1928-Dec-07) is 96 years old 10. James Hong (1929-Feb-22) is 95 years old
Vanki, you make no mention here, or in your book of the emerging Artificial General Intelligence, and its affect on biotech and pharmaceutical developments emerging and the possible ramifications of such exponentially self evaluating and "visualizing" capabilties. You do not utter one word about it or its possible affects? Why is that? May I ask?
He did say that AlphaFold 2 was "decades ahead" of when we expected such potential to arise. But even then he just couldn't bring himself to extrapolate that out to mean enhanced human longevity within our own lifetimes. He has yet to comment on AlphaFold 3, which is a huge improvement on AlphaFold 2, and was just released not even two weeks ago. And then there's the effect of generative AI on drug discovery as well. And AlphaFold 2 is in use by every biology lab in the world. Basically, unless you are in your 70s or 80s today and in good health, you are going to profit enormously from the changes in the field, which Venki downplays. He was obviously blindsided by AlphaFold 2, as were most biologists. But he is still sticking to his "no increased longevity for anyone alive today" guns. I think he's just another addition to the discussion and doesn't have any special insights over someone like, for instance, the actual head of DeepMind that invented AlphaFold, Demis Hassabis. I trust HIS analysis, which is still sober and not hyped up, a lot more than Venki's, who is saying nothing new. You might appreciate this interview with Demis about AlphaFold 3, which is so good it can predict which drugs are going to work better than others, which AlphaFold 2 could not do: ua-cam.com/video/RIrnMVDM_N8/v-deo.html
Because it's bullshit which will never improve upon the advice to practice moderation in all things while taking care to avoid ingesting crap in the place of real food.
it is certainly important to discuss the problems with this idea given the rather less than ethical practices of people trying to profit from selling ideas. Granted this person is selling a book so he is also trying to profit from what he is saying. The main problem I see in this video is the title is certainly not a very useful form of clickbait to the audience. Because the bulk of the content in this piece is definitely about anything that is promising at all. The bulk of this discussion is dancing around the idea of even finding these answers and how people are trying and the problems with private money driving so much of it. None of that is really very useful to the average person who is wanting to learn more about this topic as far as information they can actually use themselves. Most of this conversation is two guys talking about the problems within the topic and the field. An that really isn't useful to the person who the title has obviously been designed to attract. No problem discussing those problems facing science now but the title doesn't say "What problems remain in the anti aging field?" It says we are about to hear about the most promising paths into ant-aging. Which are certainly two different topics. As a person who spent most of my life working in media, I find it harder to trust people who are willing to frame a title in sales hype as apposed to deliver the actual message as effectively as possible. I think not understanding the desires of the audience is also a rather sizeable flaw for people who are trying to speak to an audience. On a lesser note, I would suggest that people who are going to try to give lectures or talks on any topic learn how to express themselves more effectively than a highschool student. The main flaw with the speech going on here is the one person constantly, you know, talking like, you know, someoneone who, you know, fears allowing moments of silence to, you know, to be filled with placeholding language that's, you know, completely meaningless and you know, adds absolutely nothing to the delivery of information into the hands of the audience. Interesting people. Rather annoying speech ticks, certainly topics worthy of discussion, the person who wrote the title though, that person should just be let go for caring more about trying to trick the audience into clicking on the video than describing it in honest and reasonable ways. So much potential for high content and then so much of that potential ending up right in the weeds due to someone's need for views to outshine the usefulness of the contented to generate those views honestly.
M K Stalin felicitated Nobel Laureate Venkataraman Ramakrishnan. Stalin hosted a grand ceremony on the scale of celebrating Ilaya Raja, Leonel, or a politician like Velu because he had never celebrated a Nobel Laureate. Nevertheless, he wanted to appreciate science in a way never attempted in Tamil Nadu by anybody or the more knowledgeable, English-speaking J Jayalalitha. How did Venkataraman Ramakrishnan feel when a great and popular politician whose father is Kalainar or an artist in literature or litterateur par excellence felicitated him? What was the atmosphere like? What was it like being in the august and imposing presence of one of the walking colossi of Tamil Nadu politics ever since the Dravidian revolution? Was it a proud and glorious moment when a great litterateur par excellence's son himself felicitated him? How would the Hindu newspaper describe such an electrifying moment and atmosphere? Can the Hindu newspaper tell us what hung in the air? Interestingly and intriguingly, what was the audience like? What was it like being at the center of attraction of such a unique audience who were in awe of a scientist even though they have known and seen only celebrities like Illaya Raja, Lionel, or politician Velu? Was it a God's Gift?
The ending is about psychological ageing which is a socio cultural creation and thus can be debunked otherwise Vvvenky is fine with his Statins. Age is just a number which you can decide. My mantra is always be careful of what you put inside and give less work to your stomach and spend what you collect. Right Venky.
He really should have stayed away from the moralizing, as we already have about 3,000 years of that and don't need any more. And yes, just because he owns the fact that he is a hypocrite by taking a statin doesn't make him less of a hypocrite! Just tell us about the science, leave your personal philosophy out of it.
Very rude (but common!) mistake. We're NOT "living twice longer than our ancestors". Our "MEDIAN (average) lifespan" increased for the last 200 years up to 80 years - instead of 40 years in 1800s. But 90% of this increase is a result of a huge decrease of a KIDS mortality!! So, today MORE people (more %% of Population!) live up to 50 years, 60, 70, 80 and 90! They don't die in their childhood! BUT that DOESN't mean that "people live longer" today!
He does not mention AI once and seems quite ignorant on its effect on changing the whole DNA landscape and what might refer to as software fixes for the human body . Really stuck in to w dark ages
@@utpalsa That's the point. We're not selling anything, but he is. His book. But it just appears to be a reiteration of things we already know, and his interviews are just a reiteration of things we already know. Products that slow or stop aging will only come from well-funded R&D departments. Nobody is claiming otherwise. So I don't need to hear the 100th person say "eat well, exercise, be social, have a positive attitude" and then go into moral issues, also for the 100th time.
Here i am broke and jobless looking for ways to self epstein.. to go soon and painlessly.. make that possible. Alas, the afterlife and the ghosts exist, they say the bad karma one accrues for self Epstein-ing takes a long time to erode. And so, i am stuck here, i dont fear ageing, i laughed at it, now i smile. Everything is as it should be.
Sorry but you cant stop aging. You can take steps to wsrd off the worst ravages like healthy eating and exercise but then a car knocks you flying off your bicycle and hey presto 20 yrs later a tilted pelvis and arthritis. Its ok if you are wealthy enough to pay for physio. (Ive never yet met an alternative practitioner that does any more than basic physio. They just charge twice as much.)
Frankly speaking, Venki Ramakrishnan DID NOT really deserve the Nobel Prize on the Ribosome. I consider the following scientists had ENORMOUS contributions, much more than Venki, in the field : Harry F. Noller, University of California at Santa Cruz, Peter B. Moore of Yale University. Yusupov et al (2001), from UC Santa Cruz and Ogle et al (2001), from Venki's MRC group in Cambridge, were both printed in the same issue of Science, May 4, 2001, back-to-back. However, Noller's life-long contributions on Ribosomes makes Venki look like a pigmy in the field, really. Also, way back in 1976, James A. Lake of UCLA had published a paper titled 'Ribosome Structure Determined by Electron Microscopy...' for small & large subunits and monomeric ribosomes, all verified by crystallography. Richard Brimacombe's group at Berlin also had published their Cryo-electron Microscopic study in 2000. Possibly, it was Venki's political support from his past mentor Thomas Steitz of Yale and the US clout, that resulted in Venki being chosen against more deserving candidates. Actually, Debi Prasad Burma et al (1985) Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics had first showed in their seminal paper from BHU that in the ribosomes, it was the RNA and NOT any of the associated proteins that carries out the catalytic function.
Great interview! It’s fantastic to see a Nobel-Prize-winning biologist getting into this field, and coming to the conclusion that we know enough about the hallmarks of ageing to begin to intervene. I don’t have a Nobel but I came to the same conclusion when I started studying ageing biology!
Unfortunately his comments on the ethics of targeting aging biology are very disappointing. He calls it a first-world problem, even though average global life expectancy is 72 years. And he states population growth would be a problem, which you made an excellent video rebuttal on.
@@SirTenenbaum Yes, I was disappointed by those comments… When referring to it as a ‘first-world problem’, he says ‘as someone who grew up in India’-a country where almost 70% of deaths are caused by ageing! And that number is of course growing all the time as India develops. And thanks, glad you enjoyed my video!
We're not even close to any valuable conclusions!! We're in a "total mess" (and "that's all about business-driven science"!)
@@alexanderchikunov7593 Sorry to hear you’re so pessimistic. You might enjoy my book, where I go through what we do and don’t know about ageing, and where we’re close to some exciting breakthroughs. Despite some trying to cash in on the excitement around longevity, it’s definitely not all ‘business-driven’!
@@alexanderchikunov7593 At this point, with the sudden emergence of AI as a tool that is growing at an incredible rate, we really have no idea how close we are or not. AI drug discovery programs like AlphaFold 3 and ESM3 are immensely powerful and are far beyond anything we have ever seen, and will rapidly accelerate the entire R&D chain.
It’s not just living longer but being healthy longer. Many humans in world who lived over 100 but very few with good quality of life to be functional mind and body.
I would take 10 years of extra healthy life but not have a longer life. I am now 76. I hope for another 10 years. I dont want any more. Ive never been afraid of death. Even at times wished for it. Have no problem accepting my own mortality.
Have great time..
Real maturity, my love and wishes, God bless you and family
The last 5 minutes - Thank you!!!
Agree but not just climate change but global pollution, loss of land and fresh water to commercial mass prod’n for convenience and consumerism and need for more effective ways to cope with growing tonns of garbage and chemicals. What happened to push for recycling and reusing?
This gentleman is a scientiest and a philosopher.
Thankyou Venki,,for sharing your knowledge
On close caption they misspelled the name of Prof. Matt Kaeberlein at the University of Washington - Healthy Aging and Longevity Research Institute.
Just bought his book today I'll start reading it tomorrow.
True!not even a fraction of the trillions of $ poured into material sciences(non-living) is spent into understanding the living " cell",the neuron whose functions and characteristics are jealously guarded by nature and remain an enigma to modern neurology !
I am a psychotraumatologist, in our research we see that DNA repair is highly significantly correlated to successful trauma focused psychotherapy with methods such as Narrative Exposure Therapy NET. If I were researching DNA repair, I would pull out Vincent Felitti’s ACE scale, modern version is Martin Teicher’s (Harvard) MACE scale And do a checklist intake on adversity and trauma in childhood before I research any markers that have to do with gene’s or biology. Then I would run a controlled randomised trial, comparing those that have received trauma- focussed Psychotherapy with those who haven’t. What do you think? Why suicidal ideation is related for exactly the same reason. Early childhood trauma and adversity especially changes your immune system etc… but we know that this can be reversed with successful trauma-focussed treatment, even if the body is already affected by cancer, heart disease, or other diseases such as auto-immune diseases , cancer, for example. Just let the medical world is ignorant of the impact of trauma and life stressors. many people would benefit from effective psychotherapy rather than medication
Thank you for your contribution to understanding the journey of life and your philosophical views.
Great conclusive interview !! Brain storming.
Say something that makes you think. Typical Indian! So unlike real Asians.
1. Yang Chen-Ning (1922-Oct-01) is 102 years old
2. Robert Kuok (1923-Oct-06) is 101 years old
3. Jimmy Carter (1924-Oct-01) is 100 years old
4. Mahathir Mohamad (1925-Jul-10) is 99 years old
5. David Attenborough (1926-May-08) is 98 years old
6. Desmond Morris (1928-Jan-24) is 96 years old
7. James Watson (1928-Apr-06) is 96 years old
8. Li Ka-shing (1928-Jun-13) is 96 years old
9. Noam Chomsky (1928-Dec-07) is 96 years old
10. James Hong (1929-Feb-22) is 95 years old
Even Stephen Hawking lived 76.
This is great - thanks. ❤❤❤
Vanki, you make no mention here, or in your book of the emerging Artificial General Intelligence, and its affect on biotech and pharmaceutical developments emerging and the possible ramifications of such exponentially self evaluating and "visualizing" capabilties. You do not utter one word about it or its possible affects? Why is that? May I ask?
He did say that AlphaFold 2 was "decades ahead" of when we expected such potential to arise. But even then he just couldn't bring himself to extrapolate that out to mean enhanced human longevity within our own lifetimes.
He has yet to comment on AlphaFold 3, which is a huge improvement on AlphaFold 2, and was just released not even two weeks ago. And then there's the effect of generative AI on drug discovery as well. And AlphaFold 2 is in use by every biology lab in the world. Basically, unless you are in your 70s or 80s today and in good health, you are going to profit enormously from the changes in the field, which Venki downplays.
He was obviously blindsided by AlphaFold 2, as were most biologists. But he is still sticking to his "no increased longevity for anyone alive today" guns.
I think he's just another addition to the discussion and doesn't have any special insights over someone like, for instance, the actual head of DeepMind that invented AlphaFold, Demis Hassabis. I trust HIS analysis, which is still sober and not hyped up, a lot more than Venki's, who is saying nothing new.
You might appreciate this interview with Demis about AlphaFold 3, which is so good it can predict which drugs are going to work better than others, which AlphaFold 2 could not do: ua-cam.com/video/RIrnMVDM_N8/v-deo.html
Because it's bullshit which will never improve upon the advice to practice moderation in all things while taking care to avoid ingesting crap in the place of real food.
You can mimic fasting with avoiding methionine in diet
Can humanity survive the next ice age? If we cannot, then does a healthy human lifespan really matter?
it is certainly important to discuss the problems with this idea given the rather less than ethical practices of people trying to profit from selling ideas. Granted this person is selling a book so he is also trying to profit from what he is saying.
The main problem I see in this video is the title is certainly not a very useful form of clickbait to the audience. Because the bulk of the content in this piece is definitely about anything that is promising at all. The bulk of this discussion is dancing around the idea of even finding these answers and how people are trying and the problems with private money driving so much of it. None of that is really very useful to the average person who is wanting to learn more about this topic as far as information they can actually use themselves. Most of this conversation is two guys talking about the problems within the topic and the field. An that really isn't useful to the person who the title has obviously been designed to attract. No problem discussing those problems facing science now but the title doesn't say "What problems remain in the anti aging field?" It says we are about to hear about the most promising paths into ant-aging. Which are certainly two different topics.
As a person who spent most of my life working in media, I find it harder to trust people who are willing to frame a title in sales hype as apposed to deliver the actual message as effectively as possible. I think not understanding the desires of the audience is also a rather sizeable flaw for people who are trying to speak to an audience.
On a lesser note, I would suggest that people who are going to try to give lectures or talks on any topic learn how to express themselves more effectively than a highschool student. The main flaw with the speech going on here is the one person constantly, you know, talking like, you know, someoneone who, you know, fears allowing moments of silence to, you know, to be filled with placeholding language that's, you know, completely meaningless and you know, adds absolutely nothing to the delivery of information into the hands of the audience.
Interesting people. Rather annoying speech ticks, certainly topics worthy of discussion, the person who wrote the title though, that person should just be let go for caring more about trying to trick the audience into clicking on the video than describing it in honest and reasonable ways. So much potential for high content and then so much of that potential ending up right in the weeds due to someone's need for views to outshine the usefulness of the contented to generate those views honestly.
M K Stalin felicitated Nobel Laureate Venkataraman Ramakrishnan. Stalin hosted a grand ceremony on the scale of celebrating Ilaya Raja, Leonel, or a politician like Velu because he had never celebrated a Nobel Laureate. Nevertheless, he wanted to appreciate science in a way never attempted in Tamil Nadu by anybody or the more knowledgeable, English-speaking J Jayalalitha.
How did Venkataraman Ramakrishnan feel when a great and popular politician whose father is Kalainar or an artist in literature or litterateur par excellence felicitated him? What was the atmosphere like? What was it like being in the august and imposing presence of one of the walking colossi of Tamil Nadu politics ever since the Dravidian revolution? Was it a proud and glorious moment when a great litterateur par excellence's son himself felicitated him? How would the Hindu newspaper describe such an electrifying moment and atmosphere? Can the Hindu newspaper tell us what hung in the air? Interestingly and intriguingly, what was the audience like? What was it like being at the center of attraction of such a unique audience who were in awe of a scientist even though they have known and seen only celebrities like Illaya Raja, Lionel, or politician Velu?
Was it a God's Gift?
Does anyone know how to contact Dr. Venki Ramakrishnan? I met him in NYC recently but forgot to ask him something. TY!
Hi, did you manage to contact him? I’m searching for an email address to ask a question as well. I hope so.. Thank you in advance
The ending is about psychological ageing which is a socio cultural creation and thus can be debunked otherwise Vvvenky is fine with his Statins. Age is just a number which you can decide. My mantra is always be careful of what you put inside and give less work to your stomach and spend what you collect. Right Venky.
He really should have stayed away from the moralizing, as we already have about 3,000 years of that and don't need any more. And yes, just because he owns the fact that he is a hypocrite by taking a statin doesn't make him less of a hypocrite!
Just tell us about the science, leave your personal philosophy out of it.
Very rude (but common!) mistake. We're NOT "living twice longer than our ancestors". Our "MEDIAN (average) lifespan" increased for the last 200 years up to 80 years - instead of 40 years in 1800s. But 90% of this increase is a result of a huge decrease of a KIDS mortality!! So, today MORE people (more %% of Population!) live up to 50 years, 60, 70, 80 and 90! They don't die in their childhood! BUT that DOESN't mean that "people live longer" today!
@25min: I've observed the same - people are not wiser at 70 than at 40. Good discussion, but title is hype.
Most titles on social media incl YT are similar now.
Depends greatly on the person, I've observed.
He does not mention AI once and seems quite ignorant on its effect on changing the whole DNA landscape and what might refer to as software fixes for the human body . Really stuck in to w dark ages
A very narrow-minded and biased view of ageing. Glad I saw that interview as I was considering buying his book. No need to.
The same stuff we've already heard a thousand times from other people. Including the inevitable moralizing.
I want to buy the product you sell. It should be more effective in stopping aging
@@utpalsa That's the point. We're not selling anything, but he is. His book. But it just appears to be a reiteration of things we already know, and his interviews are just a reiteration of things we already know.
Products that slow or stop aging will only come from well-funded R&D departments. Nobody is claiming otherwise.
So I don't need to hear the 100th person say "eat well, exercise, be social, have a positive attitude" and then go into moral issues, also for the 100th time.
Here i am broke and jobless looking for ways to self epstein..
to go soon and painlessly.. make that possible.
Alas, the afterlife and the ghosts exist, they say the bad karma one accrues for self Epstein-ing takes a long time to erode.
And so, i am stuck here, i dont fear ageing, i laughed at it, now i smile. Everything is as it should be.
Dont do it mate.
Don't give up please. You write beautifully. There is positivity in you. May you be happier and healthier.
If this is the only problem we're concerned about..a la bonne heure...😮🤣🙄
Go ahead Venki 😂
He gives away his philosophy when he admits to being a 3rd world country person, India. 😅
Sorry but you cant stop aging. You can take steps to wsrd off the worst ravages like healthy eating and exercise but then a car knocks you flying off your bicycle and hey presto 20 yrs later a tilted pelvis and arthritis.
Its ok if you are wealthy enough to pay for physio. (Ive never yet met an alternative practitioner that does any more than basic physio. They just charge twice as much.)
Exactly and this waffler isn't helping himself by necking statins.😐
Frankly speaking, Venki Ramakrishnan DID NOT really deserve the Nobel Prize on the Ribosome. I consider the following scientists had ENORMOUS contributions, much more than Venki, in the field :
Harry F. Noller, University of California at Santa Cruz, Peter B. Moore of Yale University. Yusupov et al (2001), from UC Santa Cruz and Ogle et al (2001), from Venki's MRC group in Cambridge, were both printed in the same issue of Science, May 4, 2001, back-to-back. However, Noller's life-long contributions on Ribosomes makes Venki look like a pigmy in the field, really. Also, way back in 1976, James A. Lake of UCLA had published a paper titled 'Ribosome Structure Determined by Electron Microscopy...' for small & large subunits and monomeric ribosomes, all verified by crystallography. Richard Brimacombe's group at Berlin also had published their Cryo-electron Microscopic study in 2000. Possibly, it was Venki's political support from his past mentor Thomas Steitz of Yale and the US clout, that resulted in Venki being chosen against more deserving candidates. Actually, Debi Prasad Burma et al (1985) Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics had first showed in their seminal paper from BHU that in the ribosomes, it was the RNA and NOT any of the associated proteins that carries out the catalytic function.
I cancelled my order for his latest book when, at nearly the end of the interview, he revealed his allegiance to woke ideology. What a shame.