Sort of half true, yes it did help kill Group A in Australia but Group A had largely died worldwide after 1988 with only a few countries other than Australia still running the formula.
Bernie Ecclestone killed group A, so that his baby formula 1 could become the pinicle of motorsports and the snoozefest its become today.. World touring cars was for me and many others considered to be the great old days of racing. Rip
How good is the quality of the Vid…. I thought at the time, they only could win because of the 4 wheel drive…then they won the championship in a Holden second year after change over… I was wrong
The Gibson Motorsport team were arguably one of the best teams in Australia at the time whether it was for Nissan or Holden. Sadly once they lost he cigarette sponsorship after 1995, they did struggle a fair bit.
@@TouringCarsofAus They were good because they were innovators and had the backing to do things others never thought of. Once that went it was a battle, though they were a great and disciplined team.
@@joshjackburns no way NEAR 600. They were between 280 and 320 depending on if you removed the little boost restrictor hose. Nismo supplied race engines to the nissan factory backed teams at 500hp, but the costs were astronomical. I read an interview with fred gibson that a nismo water pump cost them 9k, you can imaging what nismo were selling the turbo's to them for. Hence they developed as much as they could locally. The GT-R was a fantastic base car but it was the innovation and development by friends team that made it the true weapon. 625hp was the figure they ended up with i think after all was said and done. I think they were approaching 650 at one point.
The extra weight was correct. The GT-R's were running at 1500kg at Bathurst in 1992. But the power drop from 640 in 1991 to 480 because of the CAMS mandated pop-off valves was total bullshit. About 20 years later Fred Gibson told that they were the only ones in the country who knew how those valves worked (they were the ones used in F1 in 1987-88 and through Shell who also sponsored McLaren, they were taught how they work). CAMS had no idea and Gibson admitted that they fooled them into believing they "only" had 480 bhp. In reality they still had a touch over 600. That's how a car that weighed 140 kg more and allegedly had 160 horsepower less could lap within a second of their 1991 time. Truth be told in the spec they were supposed to be in at Bathurst in 1992, the GT-R's should have been doing laps around 2.18, not 2.13's
@@Holden308 i dont think that is quite correct. It wasnt a horsepower restriction, they didnt have to convince CAMs of any power level. They were just forced to run a maximum boost level by those valves. I doubt they were a complex mechanism. No blow off valve is, but probably had tamper protection. In an interview one of the team mechanics said they were able to gain back most of the power by tuning each cylinder individually.
@@Holden308 no way plenty of road gtrs using those turbos with totally stock internals and a open exhaust are comfortably over 550hp. Running 1 bar. Stock everything and 1 bar boost a rb26 is around 400hp
@@THEROADSMITH yeah road gtrs but not a group a GTR with lots of race regulations. When the car got handicapped it did only have about 480 with the turbo pop of valve. But through excessive tuning on each cylinder they managed to gain most of that power back.
Not always the biggest fan of Nissans as such but my god the skylines in this competition were just way way to competitive to compete against other cars. No wonder why they were called the godzillas
Ironically in 1991 it did run as a rear wheel drive at the Wellington 500 after the front diff destroyed itself from the bumps. Managed to finish 3rd after multiple pit stops and some long stops too. By that point the BMW M3 was the king of the Wellington circuit.
Schnitzer were kings of Wellington , won about 4 or 5 in a row. Charlie Lamm was a great friend and spoke good English. I learnt German in 1987 so I could talk to Rudi Eggenberger - great guy too.
@@Steveaustin007 What an awesome story! Thank you for sharing. After watching some of the Wellington races we could find, Charlie seemed like a fantastic team manager. Even in 1992 when they had headgasket issues, he kept his head up. We've only recently found out that Rudi indeed could speak English but never made it public as Tomas Mezera noted in his V8 Sleuth podcast.
Rudi could speak English - he didn’t like to . I wished him “ good luck I hope you win in German and we became good friends. Ford in Europe told him to change the wheel arches ; stubbornly he said “ no not until Brock changes his “ reference that Brocks car 05 & 10 guards had been modified as The Mobil hdt cars were the only to Holdens able to fit bigger tyres on his cars . 12” I think - while Perkins and Grice made it known ; they were told to keep quiet . The shell of car 10 was bought by win Percy and he confirmed with me at Oran park the in 1989 that Brock had infact cheated in ‘87 .
Ah the 1992 Gibson Nissan GT-R's.....so nobbled. So hard done by. Yeah OK. Fred Gibson cried foul ALL year with the CAMS imposed "go slow" bits (i.e. FIA pop-off valves a-la F1 in 1987-88). CAMS mandated the Nissan's use them, but they actually had no idea how the valves worked. Fred Gibson, through Shell who also sponsored McLaren, got one of their techs to actually fly from London to Melbourne to teach the Nissan team how they worked. In reality, Gibson tricked CAMS into thinking his 640 bhp beats had been nobbled down to 480, but they actually still had just on 600. Honestly folks, a car weighing 1500 kg (it was weighed at Bathurst) and only having 480 bhp, even with 4WD and Mark Skaife at the height of his powers in the drivers seat should not have been able to lap Bathurst under at best 2 minutes 17. Yet Skaife does 13's???
@@benpasquale6353 this guy repeats the same nonsense butthurt story all over youtube. There is utterly no evidence of that. He might not be smart enough to work out a pop off valve but I'd say cams was. Its a bloody spring set to a certain pressure level, probably equipped with anti tampering and checked after each race by scruitneers. Imagine insisting an expert had to be flown in to work out how a spring works 😂 The valves do not restrict horsepower. They limit boost. 2 different things. By the way, some of the gibson skylines still have the original valves on them. So go see it for yourself. The skyline will be running at Bathurst again this year. Just stop flapping your gums Holden guy and take your medication.
Yeah after dick johnson and others complained so hard they restricted boost and added weight to the gibson skyline and they STILL lost to it in the end. Its amazing how Johnson was happy to run the highest power sierra in the world and thrash everyone until he started getting beaten by a better team. Then it wasnt ok.
And yet the Nissan practically lead the race all day in 92. Can’t really call the ford mighty now 😆, even after the crash the winfield GTR was still leading
The car that killed group A racing in australia, because no matter how hard they nerfed it it still kicked everyones arse.
Sort of half true, yes it did help kill Group A in Australia but Group A had largely died worldwide after 1988 with only a few countries other than Australia still running the formula.
Bernie Ecclestone killed group A, so that his baby formula 1 could become the pinicle of motorsports and the snoozefest its become today.. World touring cars was for me and many others considered to be the great old days of racing. Rip
The Sierra had bicycle tires & and brakes, which really slowed them down across the top!
@TouringCarsofAus In Japan, Group A races were held until 1993.
How good is the quality of the Vid…. I thought at the time, they only could win because of the 4 wheel drive…then they won the championship in a Holden second year after change over… I was wrong
The Gibson Motorsport team were arguably one of the best teams in Australia at the time whether it was for Nissan or Holden. Sadly once they lost he cigarette sponsorship after 1995, they did struggle a fair bit.
@@TouringCarsofAus They were good because they were innovators and had the backing to do things others never thought of. Once that went it was a battle, though they were a great and disciplined team.
The Skyline also made pretty mad Amounts of power too. Around 600 off the showroom floor
@@joshjackburns no way NEAR 600. They were between 280 and 320 depending on if you removed the little boost restrictor hose.
Nismo supplied race engines to the nissan factory backed teams at 500hp, but the costs were astronomical. I read an interview with fred gibson that a nismo water pump cost them 9k, you can imaging what nismo were selling the turbo's to them for. Hence they developed as much as they could locally. The GT-R was a fantastic base car but it was the innovation and development by friends team that made it the true weapon.
625hp was the figure they ended up with i think after all was said and done. I think they were approaching 650 at one point.
@@slickstrings I am not talking about the road cars, what has got you so riled up
Restricted boost and extra weight what a farce
The extra weight was correct. The GT-R's were running at 1500kg at Bathurst in 1992. But the power drop from 640 in 1991 to 480 because of the CAMS mandated pop-off valves was total bullshit. About 20 years later Fred Gibson told that they were the only ones in the country who knew how those valves worked (they were the ones used in F1 in 1987-88 and through Shell who also sponsored McLaren, they were taught how they work). CAMS had no idea and Gibson admitted that they fooled them into believing they "only" had 480 bhp. In reality they still had a touch over 600. That's how a car that weighed 140 kg more and allegedly had 160 horsepower less could lap within a second of their 1991 time. Truth be told in the spec they were supposed to be in at Bathurst in 1992, the GT-R's should have been doing laps around 2.18, not 2.13's
@@Holden308 Wow. Didn't the scrutineers Dyno the cars?
@@Holden308 i dont think that is quite correct. It wasnt a horsepower restriction, they didnt have to convince CAMs of any power level. They were just forced to run a maximum boost level by those valves. I doubt they were a complex mechanism. No blow off valve is, but probably had tamper protection.
In an interview one of the team mechanics said they were able to gain back most of the power by tuning each cylinder individually.
@@Holden308 no way plenty of road gtrs using those turbos with totally stock internals and a open exhaust are comfortably over 550hp. Running 1 bar. Stock everything and 1 bar boost a rb26 is around 400hp
@@THEROADSMITH yeah road gtrs but not a group a GTR with lots of race regulations. When the car got handicapped it did only have about 480 with the turbo pop of valve. But through excessive tuning on each cylinder they managed to gain most of that power back.
God I love that car 💥
It's an awesome bit of kit!
My favorite car to!
The Gibson cars weren't allowed to race in Japan because Nissan knew they would cream the local racing GTRs.
Not always the biggest fan of Nissans as such but my god the skylines in this competition were just way way to competitive to compete against other cars. No wonder why they were called the godzillas
Godzilla awakening...
Everyone knows now they held it back, so not to get into trouble.
why did brock drive for ford
imagine brock in the gtr
awsome car good smoke brand
Rear wheel drive only would have been a different story.
Ironically in 1991 it did run as a rear wheel drive at the Wellington 500 after the front diff destroyed itself from the bumps. Managed to finish 3rd after multiple pit stops and some long stops too. By that point the BMW M3 was the king of the Wellington circuit.
Schnitzer were kings of Wellington , won about 4 or 5 in a row. Charlie Lamm was a great friend and spoke good English. I learnt German in 1987 so I could talk to Rudi Eggenberger - great guy too.
@@Steveaustin007 What an awesome story! Thank you for sharing. After watching some of the Wellington races we could find, Charlie seemed like a fantastic team manager. Even in 1992 when they had headgasket issues, he kept his head up. We've only recently found out that Rudi indeed could speak English but never made it public as Tomas Mezera noted in his V8 Sleuth podcast.
Rudi could speak English - he didn’t like to . I wished him “ good luck I hope you win in German and we became good friends. Ford in Europe told him to change the wheel arches ; stubbornly he said “ no not until Brock changes his “ reference that Brocks car 05 & 10 guards had been modified as The Mobil hdt cars were the only to Holdens able to fit bigger tyres on his cars . 12” I think - while Perkins and Grice made it known ; they were told to keep quiet . The shell of car 10 was bought by win Percy and he confirmed with me at Oran park the in 1989 that Brock had infact cheated in ‘87 .
Missy
Ah the 1992 Gibson Nissan GT-R's.....so nobbled. So hard done by.
Yeah OK. Fred Gibson cried foul ALL year with the CAMS imposed "go slow" bits (i.e. FIA pop-off valves a-la F1 in 1987-88). CAMS mandated the Nissan's use them, but they actually had no idea how the valves worked. Fred Gibson, through Shell who also sponsored McLaren, got one of their techs to actually fly from London to Melbourne to teach the Nissan team how they worked. In reality, Gibson tricked CAMS into thinking his 640 bhp beats had been nobbled down to 480, but they actually still had just on 600.
Honestly folks, a car weighing 1500 kg (it was weighed at Bathurst) and only having 480 bhp, even with 4WD and Mark Skaife at the height of his powers in the drivers seat should not have been able to lap Bathurst under at best 2 minutes 17. Yet Skaife does 13's???
yeah exactly...and your right..fred gibson found a loop hole with the restrictions
Wrong...after restrictions were put on it Gibson had each cylinder tuned independently and picked up near 50hp...it's a well known fact
@@benpasquale6353 this guy repeats the same nonsense butthurt story all over youtube. There is utterly no evidence of that.
He might not be smart enough to work out a pop off valve but I'd say cams was. Its a bloody spring set to a certain pressure level, probably equipped with anti tampering and checked after each race by scruitneers.
Imagine insisting an expert had to be flown in to work out how a spring works 😂
The valves do not restrict horsepower. They limit boost. 2 different things.
By the way, some of the gibson skylines still have the original valves on them. So go see it for yourself.
The skyline will be running at Bathurst again this year.
Just stop flapping your gums Holden guy and take your medication.
@@slickstrings iam not holden
@@benpasquale6353 i know, i was telling you about the original post guy. He's a dope.
Last qualifying of the the boost junkies, so which car was the fastest on the day again? Ahh the mighty Sierra! 🥇
Yeah after dick johnson and others complained so hard they restricted boost and added weight to the gibson skyline and they STILL lost to it in the end. Its amazing how Johnson was happy to run the highest power sierra in the world and thrash everyone until he started getting beaten by a better team. Then it wasnt ok.
And yet the Nissan practically lead the race all day in 92. Can’t really call the ford mighty now 😆, even after the crash the winfield GTR was still leading