I remember meeting him once and asking about the sierra and Bathurst and he said it was like being dragged up the mountain by a huge industrial spring.....just hold on! Brilliance.
@@marcpaola1371you missed the key word there, Tourer, the v8 supercars aren’t touring cars they are super cars. Especially the later ones not much shared between the race car and road car they are based off
@riknik05 nope, I didn't miss the point at all, I'm from Australia and yes they are touring cars. They were given the supercar name in 1997. Yes today they are a full ground up race car build but back in the mid to late 90s they were still a road car body ( they had to be, it was in the rules), apart from the aero kit, they weren't all that different to a group a commodore at that time, they were still closely related to the road car then. So yes they were very much still a touring car then. Intact, to race, a group a sierra was more modified than these. I k ow this because I have worked in them.
@@marcpaola1371 pretty sure they were solid axle diff instead of the IRS, had completely different bumpers and wings to the road going cars, we’re running the chev 5.0 which weren’t available in the road going cars so really the only thing that it had in common to the road car was the body, hardly a touring car. The body shell was built from pieces assembled around the roll cage instead of coming from the factory complete and turned into a race car. Like Larry Perkins said about the GTR compared to the group a commodore “this is a touring car the GTR is a race car. His statement about the RS500 being the fastest tourer Brock drove isn’t wrong. The RS500 wasn’t more modified that the v8 super cars of the 90s, having to run factory block, crank rods, pistons, head, valves, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, turbo, intercooler, radiator all the suspension pickup points, all body panels, limited on tyre size, weight, running the factory dash board still having the lights and indicator switches. If you allowed the RS500 or the GTR to compete with the rules of the 90s V8 supercars with the technology on tyres and suspension and dropped the weight like the v8s had after group a, they would wipe the floor with those v8 super cars.
Don’t know if anyone noticed but the commentator said 05 Mobil one commodore at 3:03 lol. Which isn’t a surprise because his traditional weapon has always been the commodore and not the sierras
Yeah production car rules (love my mopars) created the Bathurst aura, group C big bangers were cool, but I reckon the GpA era was the best. Think about it, Vitesse, XJS, Starion, Mustang, Commodore, Skylines, 635's M3's, Corolla, Supra, Gazelle, Sierra, etc, with drivers hanging on really earning their keep. In this clip Brock might have been 10sec slower than today, but it looked faster and more spectacular. ☹
@@geoffdeller7747 Definitely. I think the reasoning was the roof on them was too low and not enough head clearance. Having owned 2 FC's in the past, on the few occasions I ran the at certain events that required a helmet, there wasn't much room between helmet and hood lining, I'm just on 6 foot in height.
Yeah I agree. Group c was a banger but group a is my all time favourite era or touring car racing in Australia. All the cars were all natural, each had a different sound, look and attributes. And they just were really incredible cars. Unlike now, they all sound the fucken same with that 5.0L naturally aspirated V8. Don’t get me wrong it’s impressive what todays drivers can really push out of those things but yeah, group a will always be my favourite era of racing
No the fine was actually by the (I think it was then TEGA) the touring car entrants association. It was not the fire extinguisher but another bottle of similar added to the vehicle with a purpose built spray bar positioned in front of the intercooler. You can see the large container in the clip in the passengers foot well area. The team tried to sneak it out at post top 10 scrutineering under the guise of putting in a passenger seat for a ride lap.
Typical Brock bullshit. Even when he came to his senses & drove a Ford - he couldn't resist cheating. Makes me wonder how much cheating he got away with while driving for Holden. Peter Perfect - my sweet smelling arse!
You've got a great channel going here, subscribed. Any chance of putting up Brock's 1987 drive in the wet? No video currently on youtube captures the full depth of what he achieved that day.
Thanks for subscribing mate! That is definitely on our list and will be up some time in the future for sure! There's quite a bit from 1987 we'd like to make available in HD :)
If you put the closed caption subtitles on, UA-cam indicates [Music] as the RS500's Garrett T04 is compressor stalling across the top of the mountain 🥰🥰🥰
People pointing out the obvious cooling of the intercooler. But seriously was this not a great drive? Intercooler temps or not this car was set up pretty damn good. Onya brocky for driving an intermediate car, for a stunning lap. Well done. 15.4 was never anything to write home about let’s be honest
@@bradwilliams1691 well...he had no choice really...he would of realised he couldn't be competitive in an old dunga v8 anymore...was surprised he went back to one...he must of been offered some good $$$ to do so...as he would of know he wouldn't win anything
Hes the only one crazy enough to take a Sierra to the limits that thing's probably the most difficult car you could ever drive in a championship let alone trying to do 161 laps
Long live the Touring Car Championship, and when Bathurst was brilliant, and sadly now in 2024, its just a snore fest. RIP TOURING CAR CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE ONCE GREAT RACE OF BATHURST..!!
How slow does the steering rack seem on the old Sierra! I used to like the sierras in the day, now you look back on it and can really tell how gutless they were when not on boost! Great memories anyway.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit - PB always trying to get away with something. Makes me wonder just how much he did get away with while driving for Holden. Peter Perfect - my sweet smelling arse!
@@bradwilliams1691 mate you should really think about something before you say it. For starters if your saying shit like that you clearly don’t know anything about the sport and are just here to hate. And secondly back then they had the radio button on the stick so that’s what he was pressing and that’s what all of the drivers would’ve pressed back then to communicate with their team in the pits
@trevorwilliams1691 I was working with Barry Seton on the engine dyno one day and we were talking about Brock. Seto said to me that he lost a lot of respect for Brock,way before this era,when,in Barry words,Brock began cheating the rules.
Geez they always hyped that guy up...the next year (90) he did a 2:14...then in 1991 he went slower in the Dinosaur Commodore VN V8 at 2:16...I think his fastest Qualifying lap of Bathurst ever was in that FORD SIERRA and NOT a Holden product...he was known to admit though that the Sierra was a damn fast car at least...Surely he must of known that the old RWD family car with a v8 wacked in it time was Over as its known that both he and DJ had tested Godzilla in Japan
Interesting , do yo know exactly how he cheated through the years . 1987 Bathurst , every one in Australia out there heads down & pretended nothing was wrong . Have a look at Bill Tuckey EDITION 1 - 1987 Bathurst year book and see what Grice & Perkins said : win Percy had the car 10 shell in England within a week - stil there on his farm . If you ever meet a MHDT mechanic from 1984 they will tell you privately how bad things were .
All teams in any category look for an advantage until it’s either adopted by the competition or banned. And why wouldn’t you. Look at every F1 team. Here it’s Johnson making his own turbo wheels on the Sierra, Fred Gibson swapping doors on the gtr when the first car was having problems, or sending out skaife in his teammates helmet because the other bloke was too slow. Perkins making his own brakes that didn’t need to be changed. It happens, always will.
@@Steveaustin007you are full of shit. For starters I have that book and nothing is mentioned about brock ceating. No2, car 10 that won the race was never seen by percey as it was sold to Chris lambent here in Australia and raced as the beuripares car for 88/89. Brock's 05 car went to Alan Docking racing the following year in the btcc. N03, Percy and co could not have had the n10 car as it was raced the following weekend at Calder Park. Like I said, you are full of shit.
I remember meeting him once and asking about the sierra and Bathurst and he said it was like being dragged up the mountain by a huge industrial spring.....just hold on! Brilliance.
The Sierra was the quickest tourer Brock ever drove I think
@@jacksonhenry2586no it wasn't the v8 supercars he drove afterwards were much quicker.
@@marcpaola1371you missed the key word there, Tourer, the v8 supercars aren’t touring cars they are super cars. Especially the later ones not much shared between the race car and road car they are based off
@riknik05 nope, I didn't miss the point at all, I'm from Australia and yes they are touring cars. They were given the supercar name in 1997. Yes today they are a full ground up race car build but back in the mid to late 90s they were still a road car body ( they had to be, it was in the rules), apart from the aero kit, they weren't all that different to a group a commodore at that time, they were still closely related to the road car then. So yes they were very much still a touring car then. Intact, to race, a group a sierra was more modified than these. I k ow this because I have worked in them.
@@marcpaola1371 pretty sure they were solid axle diff instead of the IRS, had completely different bumpers and wings to the road going cars, we’re running the chev 5.0 which weren’t available in the road going cars so really the only thing that it had in common to the road car was the body, hardly a touring car. The body shell was built from pieces assembled around the roll cage instead of coming from the factory complete and turned into a race car.
Like Larry Perkins said about the GTR compared to the group a commodore “this is a touring car the GTR is a race car.
His statement about the RS500 being the fastest tourer Brock drove isn’t wrong.
The RS500 wasn’t more modified that the v8 super cars of the 90s, having to run factory block, crank rods, pistons, head, valves, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, turbo, intercooler, radiator all the suspension pickup points, all body panels, limited on tyre size, weight, running the factory dash board still having the lights and indicator switches.
If you allowed the RS500 or the GTR to compete with the rules of the 90s V8 supercars with the technology on tyres and suspension and dropped the weight like the v8s had after group a, they would wipe the floor with those v8 super cars.
Could watch that all day !!
Don’t know if anyone noticed but the commentator said 05 Mobil one commodore at 3:03 lol. Which isn’t a surprise because his traditional weapon has always been the commodore and not the sierras
Yes, I did notice...but now your comment is more than a year old😂
Perfect Pete. But that was the year that no one could be tricky Dicky.
Those were the days!
Brock absolutely spanking it. 👍05
Yeah production car rules (love my mopars) created the Bathurst aura, group C big bangers were cool, but I reckon the GpA era was the best. Think about it, Vitesse, XJS, Starion, Mustang, Commodore, Skylines, 635's M3's, Corolla, Supra, Gazelle, Sierra, etc, with drivers hanging on really earning their keep. In this clip Brock might have been 10sec slower than today, but it looked faster and more spectacular. ☹
Shame the FC RX-7 Turbo's weren't eligible to race back then.
@@keithrx3c yeah there is another one that would have made things interesting. Super(boring)cars of today have got nothing.
@@geoffdeller7747 Definitely. I think the reasoning was the roof on them was too low and not enough head clearance. Having owned 2 FC's in the past, on the few occasions I ran the at certain events that required a helmet, there wasn't much room between helmet and hood lining, I'm just on 6 foot in height.
Yeah I agree. Group c was a banger but group a is my all time favourite era or touring car racing in Australia. All the cars were all natural, each had a different sound, look and attributes. And they just were really incredible cars. Unlike now, they all sound the fucken same with that 5.0L naturally aspirated V8. Don’t get me wrong it’s impressive what todays drivers can really push out of those things but yeah, group a will always be my favourite era of racing
Also the wings and spoilers had a little effect on the cars. Not quite enough to stop them from wriggling around which made them so good to watch!
No the fine was actually by the (I think it was then TEGA) the touring car entrants association. It was not the fire extinguisher but another bottle of similar added to the vehicle with a purpose built spray bar positioned in front of the intercooler. You can see the large container in the clip in the passengers foot well area. The team tried to sneak it out at post top 10 scrutineering under the guise of putting in a passenger seat for a ride lap.
wow, I didn't know that, that's interesting.
Yep that'll do it every track I've been to intercooler sprayers are banned especially drags.
Typical Brock bullshit. Even when he came to his senses & drove a Ford - he couldn't resist cheating. Makes me wonder how much cheating he got away with while driving for Holden. Peter Perfect - my sweet smelling arse!
So he cheated!
@@SS-yw7vo YES
You've got a great channel going here, subscribed. Any chance of putting up Brock's 1987 drive in the wet? No video currently on youtube captures the full depth of what he achieved that day.
Thanks for subscribing mate! That is definitely on our list and will be up some time in the future for sure! There's quite a bit from 1987 we'd like to make available in HD :)
If you think Brock was good in the wet...you need to look up Seton in his Skyline in the Wet all crossed up over the top
@@jacksonhenry2586 all wheel drive helped a lot.
Glenn Seton's performance in the wet in that race was also sensational.
The year he mounted the fire extinguisher to the intercooler to get more power. Bloody great time in the sport with legends everywhere.
Mad lap by brocky
If you put the closed caption subtitles on, UA-cam indicates [Music] as the RS500's Garrett T04 is compressor stalling across the top of the mountain 🥰🥰🥰
In a Ford.
Everyone eventually gets in one and loves it.
People pointing out the obvious cooling of the intercooler. But seriously was this not a great drive? Intercooler temps or not this car was set up pretty damn good. Onya brocky for driving an intermediate car, for a stunning lap. Well done. 15.4 was never anything to write home about let’s be honest
At least PB came to his senses for one season.
@@bradwilliams1691 well...he had no choice really...he would of realised he couldn't be competitive in an old dunga v8 anymore...was surprised he went back to one...he must of been offered some good $$$ to do so...as he would of know he wouldn't win anything
The lap he was fined for
Well - that's what happens when you drive for the mighty blue oval. Just ask Ambrose.
Hes the only one crazy enough to take a Sierra to the limits that thing's probably the most difficult car you could ever drive in a championship let alone trying to do 161 laps
Long live the Touring Car Championship, and when Bathurst was brilliant, and sadly now in 2024, its just a snore fest. RIP TOURING CAR CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE ONCE GREAT RACE OF BATHURST..!!
Polariser..nuff said
How slow does the steering rack seem on the old Sierra! I used to like the sierras in the day, now you look back on it and can really tell how gutless they were when not on boost! Great memories anyway.
Um...that's how Turbo's used to work
@@jacksonhenry2586 Um…that’s what I said.
@@zoltrix7779umm why say it
3:42
Was this the year the fire extinguisher went off under the bonnet?
Apparently with every 05 Sierra,the Ford badge seemed to fall off🙄🤣
Was he pressing a button on the gear stick knob straight after the first corner ?
looks like something on the gear stick also
Wouldn't surprise me one bit - PB always trying to get away with something. Makes me wonder just how much he did get away with while driving for Holden. Peter Perfect - my sweet smelling arse!
Used to have the radio buttons on the gear sticks back then
@@bradwilliams1691 mate you should really think about something before you say it. For starters if your saying shit like that you clearly don’t know anything about the sport and are just here to hate. And secondly back then they had the radio button on the stick so that’s what he was pressing and that’s what all of the drivers would’ve pressed back then to communicate with their team in the pits
@trevorwilliams1691
I was working with Barry Seton on the engine dyno one day and we were talking about Brock.
Seto said to me that he lost a lot of respect for Brock,way before this era,when,in Barry words,Brock began cheating the rules.
Geez they always hyped that guy up...the next year (90) he did a 2:14...then in 1991 he went slower in the Dinosaur Commodore VN V8 at 2:16...I think his fastest Qualifying lap of Bathurst ever was in that FORD SIERRA and NOT a Holden product...he was known to admit though that the Sierra was a damn fast car at least...Surely he must of known that the old RWD family car with a v8 wacked in it time was Over as its known that both he and DJ had tested Godzilla in Japan
You are wrong, his fastest laps of Bathurst was in a Holden v8 supercar, get your facts straight mate.
The commentator said at the end he’s driving a commodore 🤔
Force of habbit I guess!
I caught that too
300 clicks there on Conrod surely
cant believe he wasnt disqualified
If people knew what he got away with , they would be amazed .
@@Steveaustin007 The man Dead
Let him rest in peace
Mobil 1 commadore ??? I'm pretty sure that's a ford sierra. Just goes to show even the greats want to drive one 😉🤣
They called him Peter Perfect, but he was far from perfect outside the racecar.
Stop it
Fat Albert (Raymond) and his bromance with brock was laughable
Peter the cheater
Who dares wins mate
Peter Perfect - my sweet smelling arse. The biggest cheat in ATCC history.
Interesting , do yo know exactly how he cheated through the years . 1987 Bathurst , every one in Australia out there heads down & pretended nothing was wrong .
Have a look at Bill Tuckey EDITION 1 - 1987 Bathurst year book and see what Grice & Perkins said : win Percy had the car 10 shell in England within a week - stil there on his farm .
If you ever meet a MHDT mechanic from 1984 they will tell you privately how bad things were .
All teams in any category look for an advantage until it’s either adopted by the competition or banned. And why wouldn’t you. Look at every F1 team. Here it’s Johnson making his own turbo wheels on the Sierra, Fred Gibson swapping doors on the gtr when the first car was having problems, or sending out skaife in his teammates helmet because the other bloke was too slow. Perkins making his own brakes that didn’t need to be changed. It happens, always will.
@@Steveaustin007you are full of shit. For starters I have that book and nothing is mentioned about brock ceating. No2, car 10 that won the race was never seen by percey as it was sold to Chris lambent here in Australia and raced as the beuripares car for 88/89. Brock's 05 car went to Alan Docking racing the following year in the btcc. N03, Percy and co could not have had the n10 car as it was raced the following weekend at Calder Park. Like I said, you are full of shit.