3 REASONS WHY ROCK IS *DYING*!
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2019
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I lay out the 3 reasons why rock is DYING in the mainstream:
- Rock fans are stuck in the past, with festivals like Wacken 2019, Download 2019 and Rock Am Ring full of 80s and 90s bands
- Rock bands no longer want to be rockstars: I compare that with rappers like Travis Scott (see his Netflix documentary) and how his relationship with Kylie Jenner helped his career
- Rock fans reject mainstream success, unlike Limp Bizkit, Fred Durst, Blink-182, Travis Barker ("Meet The Barkers") and The Used who embraced MTV and mainstream media
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Rock fans: rock is dyng, we must do something
A rock band has success
Rock fans: it's because they are commercial, real rock music is not mainstream.
(Repeat for the next decades)
True story man, true story
True!!!
Yes, I do indeed concur that Rock is definitely on its last legs! To understand WHY I think one needs to consider WHEN and WHY rock and roll had such impact and became so popular in the FIRST PLACE. Rock and roll first emerged in American during the 1950's - a time when Western society was generally still pretty conservative. The old sexual puritanism and rigid conformity standards still had a pretty strong hold over the masses, and people really needed to UNWIND. THAT is why it resonated so powerfully with all those teenagers of THAT decade, and pretty well continued to with young people of the following few decades (the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s). But NOW, in 2020, people don't need rock and roll to unwind cause that old conservatism is pretty well DEAD, or it certainly isn't as pervasive as it was in the past, and most people are already so LOOSE to begin with! In the FUTURE Rock MUSIC will probably still always BE THERE, but it'll be just another kind of music, like any other kind (classical, jazz, salsa, tango, polka, whatever). And it will probably always have it's admirers, like any other kind of music does, but it will never be a BIG PHENOMENON or have any SIGNIFICANT MAJOR IMPACT ever again, .. . THAT is definitely HISTORY.
Exactly. It’s good to achieve success if the music stays listenable for the fans and not watered down for the label of radio play
@Damiano Feratti Did you just watch this video?Your making this guy's point.Take that rebel attitude to the R&R graveyard or get into Rap.
They don’t even try to promote new bands.
His point was that they don't promote them because people are stuck in the past.
@@Monolith64 Pero no les puede gustar una banda que no conocen
I mean they don't play huge stages, but most festivals also have new bands.
@@Monolith64 Chicken or egg right? Would these bands bring more people if they were promoted more? I always wanted to do an experiment where you take heavier bands and play them in more places to see what would happen. Like, play Refused on a hip-hop station or put them on the bill with some hip hop groups, etc...
@Josh Tyler
Necro, a rapper, was on a metal festival/tour like ten years ago and got booed off the tour.
If people dislike something they aren't going to like it more if it's being forced on them.
We are a portuguese rock band that is right now releasing our first record.... and it is sooooo frustrating the lack of support and help we get in our hometown. Last year we released an EP and we almost needed to beg in local clubs and bars to let us play live... They only want cover bands, playing the same old rock songs and dont give a shot to the new musicians that create and produce all their music.. the only gigs we booked were about 100$ for the whole band.
It hurts and its like joking with your work and passion, but we aint gonna stop... The love we have for music, and creating music will always prevail. So if this new album wont let us play live more often and get a bigger fanbase, next year we will record a new album, and we will never stop!
The music industry and radios have to wake up!!!!
Well a rock band just winning the Eurovision recently. Just keep your passion, works & participate in various contests maybe someday you will be lucky.
Vocês fazem músicas em língua portuguesa?
@@kapaludara7859 a band of male models playing cliched riffs, its about the look not the music
That's the thing, most present culture is unoriginal. I mean, it's hard to be original today, but it became so commercialised that you're punished for even trying, cause God forbid you don't earn money for your producer or club.
You guys should agree to play covers, get the crowd excited, and then during the third song switch to your original, with no explanation. See how folks reacts.
HES right. Rockstars don’t exist anymore. They don’t want to thrust themselves into popular culture. They need personality like the 70s and 80s bands. Hell, even Kurt Cobain put up with being on MTV even though he hated it. It’s what you to do remain culturally relevant.
Given what the popular culture is and what it’s done to people like Kurt Cobain or Britney Spears, I don’t blame musicians for wanting to stay out of the spotlight.
Rockstars exist. They’re just rappers now
@@Mustlehard Yeah right. Lil Pump is a rockstar? Give me a break. At least MGK went punk on his new album tho haha 😁🤘🏻
Kurt Cobain hated the idea of beign a Rockstar. He killed It. Fred Durst was the one who brought It back.
People hate Fred and love Kurt.
You just have to read about the horror story of Paramore to see the whole "rockstar" thing is a PR stunt from the labels.
@@Mustlehard The rockstar mentality in rap can go back to the days of N.W.A. and 2pac. Both were tremendously popular, had groupies and party hard, were hated by conservatives, and most importantly gave no Fs about what they gotta say.
They need to stop playing imagine dragons on the rock station
Idk how they do it. But Imagine Dragons manages to both be upbeat and dull at the same time.
@@beastvicious8672 ,Imagine Dragons makes me want to change the station and fast.They only have one good song imho ..radioactive.
It's not a rock station any more.
@@rjdez3589 I said the same thing in a conversation a few days ago. Radioactive is the only decent song they have. They're making music for normies and that's the only reason they're popular
Dude thats exactly the problem,you expect they just start play underground rock shit on the radio,if you speak shit about mainstream you will never be able to see rock expand in there
Everytime a new band comes out all I hear from other people my age is, "THEY SOUND LIKE "insert band here"! THEY SUCK!! THEY NEED TO GET THEIR OWN SOUND!!!" Then they turn around and are all pissed that there's no new rock.
Cass Lyris absolutely 100% correct probably the most important thing said here.
Maybe what the younger generation needs is for someone to make their own distinct sound.
I am just ball parking ideas, I don't know what your generation's bands sound like. I'm part of the problem because I still love the bands I grew up loving. I still will too. But if you suggest some bands from your generation I will give a listen.
@@zoopylove2937 I don't give a crap about new music, I can be happy with the thousands of songs made from 68 to 99, and some later Megadeth but I like metal, alternative, Grunge, classic and even a lot of 80's pop like A-ha, Berlin Duran Duran, Human League and such. I hated it when it came out but by 2000 music started getting so bad I started appreciating them. Nowadays I can't take more than 30 seconds before I turn a new song off. There are some new guys on UA-cam that are good but they have they old style, not saying they sound like anyone but I can see distinct influences from old bands but Wings of Pegasus and Alex5000 sound great. They're not exactly youngsters but still prove rock isn't dying.
There are lots of quality bands out there. Check out these: Dirty Honey, Blacktop Mojo, Lullwater, Black Heart Saints, and Revival Black.
I watched an AC/DC and a Def Leppard early days documentary, guess what both of them had in common. TEENAGE FANS!
So did Elvis, The Beatles and every other Rock Band. If kids don’t want to be you, then you got a problem.
Exactly. These idiots blaming the fans make me laugh. 😂🤦♀️
The problem arises when the kids are weird. I mean Gen Z right now is the TikTok generation, and songs today reflect that. I definitely don't want rock to be that. Imagine if the same thing that happened to rap/hip hop happened to rock. Mumble rock, Cardi B rock. I would actually cry lol
@@koustavchatterjee9974 fuck off boomer gen z would make rock better than any generation before it easily
@J Fitz cope and seethe
@@koustavchatterjee9974 ur legit the type of old dude that’s the problem in the scene. U don’t think kids and teens that were into this shit back then were looked at as weird? Every generation is going to shit on the current generation no matter what
I'm 30 and there's no band with members younger than me I listen too, it's gonna be weird when all the guys from the 80s and 90s or even early 00s are gone
hey uhm....im in a rock band...im 16 and we try to innovate. the rocord companies just dont like that....innovation
Lemme tell ya I was stunned when I learned oli sykes is 34
Unfortunately it seems that culturally, rock musicians under 40 just dont get it.
@@cliffisfuckingawesome3508 what's your band's name? I wanna check it out.
You should check out Turnstile, they’re a super exciting young band. Their concerts look insane too!
I think the problem is that many bands end up sounding like a clone of a classic rock band, get hate from everyone, and then get forgotten after a short while
Most prominent example: Greta Van Fleet being a Led Zeppelin clone
Its more of, uh, either you try a revival and ppl cuss u for being a clone, or creating new stuff while ppl will say that is not rock! (Elitist logic)
@@satesup4353 fuck elitists they’re the fans we need to eliminate from the rock and metal community since it’s turning away newer fans
Greta Van Fleet?
@@joemcneff2521 yeah, they're a fairly new rock band and are DOMINATING the alt rock charts and haven't even released a single full album
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is no longer a club, but a memorial.
Yep
Exactly...and who will they induct 10 years from now? The list will grow smaller and smaller.
Actually, it's nothing more than a joke. It's basically "Pay us money and we'll put you in". It's a scam. Much like a certain "rock" star included here who is nothing but a whore these days and he seems to have no issues selling his soul for a few more dollars from nickle and diming fans. A bit like some abusive relationships actually.
Burn it down and put up a nice Mosque
So true.
There was an article in rolling stones YEARS ago that said rock wasn't dead, it was killed. That in the early 00s there was a huge money shift out of rock and into hip hop as it was more accessible and had more global appeal on par with pop.
Close, in 96 Clinton signed the telecommunications act. The democrats allowed a monopoly which allowed them to censor radio. So every source of information we recieve comes from 4 different companies. They're trying to dumb us down
Rock wasn't just killed. It was shot in the head by Rap.
Jews killed rock cause rock was mainly white AND rap is black ..Jews hate white men
I’m definitely guilty of being stuck in the past. We partially can’t be the one to blame though, it just feels like singers nowadays don’t sound the same as 70s-mid 2000s rock singers; they don’t have stage presence and personality as older generation.
I feel like the singers need to let loose and feel the music also they need to write catchy melodies
I think anyone who has a rockstar personality take their talents to hip-hop R&B and other genres because they didn't grow up while rock was popular hip-hop now is for most people the past present and future of music because their parents grew up on 90s hip-hop and they are growing up with no exposure ro rock no new popular bands no parents to guide them I think this is the rock bottom for rock but it will take some drastic changes for rock to have a renaissance.
Yes, I do indeed concur that Rock is definitely on its last legs! To understand WHY I think one needs to consider WHEN and WHY rock and roll had such impact and became so popular in the FIRST PLACE. Rock and roll first emerged in American during the 1950's - a time when Western society was generally still pretty conservative. The old sexual puritanism and rigid conformity standards still had a pretty strong hold over the masses, and people really needed to UNWIND. THAT is why it resonated so powerfully with all those teenagers of THAT decade, and pretty well continued to with young people of the following few decades (the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s). But NOW, in 2020, people don't need rock and roll to unwind cause that old conservatism is pretty well DEAD, or it certainly isn't as pervasive as it was in the past, and most people are already so LOOSE to begin with! In the FUTURE Rock MUSIC will probably still always BE THERE, but it'll be just another kind of music, like any other kind (classical, jazz, salsa, tango, polka, whatever). And it will probably always have it's admirers, like any other kind of music does, but it will never be a BIG PHENOMENON or have any MAJOR IMPACT ever again, .. . THAT is definitely HISTORY.
I've seen a lot of reaction videos of hip hop fans listening to metal. Like a clip of someone listening to Slayer for the first time. Their reaction is usually pretty positive . I think music is a matter of exposure.
I agree to an extent. It also used to be really big for rap fans to shop at Hot Topic and dress like rock fans. Not sure if that fad has totally fades or not.
Tiffany Bridges both rap and rock fans definitely still shop at hot topic, the grunge aesthetic is popular with internet kids, and everything is 90s and emo.
But that's just it, they are reacting to Slayer, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slipknot... All bands with 20+ years of career, you don't see anyone reacting to Royal Blood or Tesseract, for example.
As a person who grew up at rockless home, the only reason why I got into rock was because there were all these rock bands playing on MTV all the time, so I was exposed to them and found out that I liked rock, otherwise, I would still be thinking that rock/metal are the devil's music. For the past decade there weren't a single rock/metal band that top the bills and became know to the average person who doesen't like the genre, and considering that there is no such thing as an MTV anymore, nowdays people just go to youtube or spotify and listen to what they want and are only pointed in the direction of other artists that sounds like the ones they are already listening, as opose to waiting for your favorite clip to come on MTV and while you wait you may se something different that you end up liking. I think the future of rock is pretty doomed. It's not a matter of quality, there's plenty of good bands out there, but eventualy there will be no one to listen to them.
Limp Bizkit was the most successful at blending rock with hip-hop, IMHO. A couple early examples were Aerosmith's "Last Child" (1976, wow talk about early!) and Warrant's "Cherry Pie" (1990).
I agree, we need to expose younger people to rock. I got a younger cousin, who went from rap to Pink Floyd. What got him interested initially were Green Day and yes, Coldplay, lol.
I'm from the myspace generation and i really want to add one thing: The hate towards the bands that pander to a younger audience (think off Motionless in white, Black veil brides etc.) . As a young teen i have met so many older metalheads that thought it was a good idea to bully teens for their music taste, while it was the same genre that they listened to. It still happends today and it sucks because we aren't really allowing new generations to listen to metal this way. Elitism is doing so much harm to rock and metal and many don't really realise it!
Yeah, sadly rock music seems to develop the same problem with elitism that metal already has had for decades tbh. Of course, according to some (not all) metalheads, only "oldschool", "true", etc., metal is real metal, everything too different is of course complete shite, and our generation was of course the last one that took it seriously, all younger ones are just posers and will never understand the true spirit of metal, etc. I hope we rock fans will never become as awful as that, although I wouldn't deny some of them already think that way.
Ya back in the 2000s we had underoath, my chemical romance, and from first to last to just name a few who had great success after that it all started to diminish
If you're at the show, you're my people and you're welcome. Plenty of stuff isn't for me and I'll always put it that way. Plenty of stuff I like isn't for everybody. But if you're gonna ask me for a recommendation, I'm gonna give it to you. I'm the puppy who brings you all his favorite toys. You're gonna get overwhelmed and I'm gonna ask you what you like as well.
Right you are Abby
Motionless in White and Motörhead are not the same genre.
The comment about Travis controlling the crowd certainly didn't age well.
One big problem is that when new age rockers disregarded mainstream media, audiences lost a platform to discover new bands. It has been very difficult to find new bands. I just discovered Airbourne a few year ago. Should have known about them much earlier.
Yea it all comes down to politics. The interviewers will pick apart their mind and try to persuade them to change their way of thinking.
The trouble is that Airbourne, founded in 2003, looks like a band founded in 1973 or 1983, not 2003, zero innovation or anything else, stupid copying of old bands(which was mentioned in the comments, and he seems to have said this).
So I don't think that such bands, even using the mainstream media, would achieve the same success today as that AC/DC or Metallica in 80s.
New young generation want new sounds, not that sound they heard arleady by their parents or grandparents. Hip Hop gives new sounds today, not Rock music.
If rock is dying, the ones who are killing it are its fans.
"elitism" among rock and metal fans have ruined the genres completely.
yup. i'm on rock and metal Facebook pages, and there is still this weird group that literally say what metal bands are and are not, 5FDP for example to these groups is not a Metal band. they would bash you for liking any "metal" band post 2010. You like Bring me the horizon. you get linched. my music playlist is all punk pop, rock, grunge, hard and heavy rock and metal post 1996. and billie eilish.
the elitists are killing any news stuff and what we're fighting tooth and nail... like honestly, I never got that hate to cores... I mean, mingle metal with punk and you either get thrash, or some core subgenre. Yet metal elitists, especially those who are very vocal promoters of the Big 4 (no hate to Big4) and claim to be thrashers, keep throwing shit at all -core subgenres (except for like old skull HC and grind)... like what the fuck are you doing? It's natural evolution and honestly, I'm better off with metal mixed with a similar genre than mingling it with some dubstep shit (though Korn did it well)
Rock went from being rebellious to just being downright contrarian.
Silence peasant!
What used to be chill dudes became bearded pretentious douchebags...... That dont even play
Simple. Rock never figured out how to adjust after MTV stopped playing music and people stopped listening to radio. Hip-Hop/EDM are better at the internet
That is a huge part of it
I've noticed also it's all about the single. You just need one catchy song. Not much relevance is given to albums anymore.
thebizkid84 ehhhh I disagree. Theres a lot of artists whose success relies on their singles but I'd argue the album is still as relevant especially with streams
@@thebizkid84 Actually, I agree with this. Lil Nas X swam to stardom on one single for months. Quite frankly, I'm surprised any artists bother with albums anymore considering that people nowadays pick and choose between songs instead of listening to whole albums. Market overpricing and the Napster revolution lead to the single culture.
Well this new mumble auto tune rap isn’t catchy to me at all. Can’t believe anyone likes it
I've been going to shows since the '80s. The audiences are growing older.
we certainly are.
The bands are growing older, too. We lost David Bowie, Prince, Eddie Van Halen, etc. Adapt or die
@@ECL28E i choose die. fuck today's shyte!
Young people can't afford the big concerts anymore so they're mostly older acts for older people with an income. Elton John was the #1 tour last year.
@@lrvogt1257 Even at smaller shows it's mostly Boomers and Gen X. Even with newer bands the audience is mostly over 40.
My dream is to bring back metal. One day I will start my own band and make the music I love (which is not made by a click on a computer). It probably won’t happen but I won’t give up my dream🤘
I am with you with the same dream and mission i too will bring natural raw music to scene
Another reason why metal is less popular is cause kids now just hate it(coming from a 15 year old himself) when it’s clearly way better then shitty pop when we need to bring back hard, classic, and metal rock
@@BoomRoasted3 But exactly why do kids hate it? Do they just see it as “oh that shit’s for irrelevant boomers, listen to the new 6ix9ine track instead”
Or are there other reasons?
@@MortuusMachina what you said they think only boomers listen to older music pretty much
I appreciate your passion for the genre... people can say what they want but rock/heavy metal could still be back on top and it can sooner than people think. And honestly it doesn't really matter to me because i have my own collection of rock and metal that i can listen to forever but at the same time i'm tired of seeing phony dumb crap being the trend nowadays
Old metal head says.....my generation became the very people we protested against.
Like Beavis and Butthead said in their spoof of AVI Buffalo: They revolted against their parents with even softer music.
S REAAAAAL FUNNNNNNYY HAHAHA!!! Ok not so much!
Amen! Metalli..uh... nothing to see here...
I am a metal head from the 70's to the 90's, particularly Iron Maiden, (the band that made me want to play bass) Megadeth, (The band that made me switch to guitar) Rush, (I know not metal but close enough) Metallica for about 4 albums, Testament, Stratovarius etc. I never protested against anyone or really anything. Sure there are things I don't like but if they truly suck they will go away, I think Bieber sucks but that's just my opinion, there's lots of people that like that shit so more power to them, I really hate rap, if asked yea I'll tell people I hate it but I'm not going to waste my time protesting anything, at least for now. If they ACTUALLY try to take guns away then yea, then I'll protest. But short of that I don't give a shit. So I don't know what you protested against, the only thing I saw metal heads really protesting was the PMRC, and we certainly didn't become them. So what metal generation are you talking about and what were they protesting, because I sure didn't see anything bad that us old metal heads became.
@J Thorsson More innovative? LMAO Show me a video of a truly unique young death metal band. That's a laugh.
As a 20-year old rock fan who's aspiring to start a band, I feel really sad that the average rock fan is at least a decade away from my age group. I get a lot of joy and fun from listening to this kind of music, and most of these fans seem to lack that due to their close-minded nature, so maybe if newer bands have that much energy as the pop/rap stars, we could bring some life back to the genre.
Hang in there, dude. Just keep focusing on your craft, remember to keep it fun (it will start to feel like a job after awhile, fight that), and try to make your shows as fun and lively as you can. People love to have a good time and you'll find an audience if you give them a great show and leave them feeling like it was a blast. Will you get famous and make a career of it? Nobody fucking knows. Do you think Greenday or Nirvana thought they'd blow up as big as they did? Hell no.
Coming from someone who has played in a couple bands before, don't let this discourage you. I haven't had any big bands but I have still had some absolutely amazing experiences playing music, mostly metal and punk shit. Still get out there and kick some ass man
I see what you’re saying about the average age I’m 38 myself, and I love a lot of older bands, but I’m really into the newer rock and metal. I’ve always loved finding new stuff, and I try to get my friends that in the same age range into newer bands but they are typically stuck in the past. I can think of one friend that is open to new bands. At the same time rock radio is a part of the problem. All I ever hear on radio is old crap. I think that it’s more than just the fans. It’s a combination of things, like It’s cheaper for a record label to work with a hip hop artist than a full band. There’s a lot more to it than just one or two things.
My view? Be true to yourself. Don’t worry about the overall scene. Play what you want to play. Be relentless. Be authentic. Rock that shit.
Look on the bright side: 30somethings have more money to spend on merch
Rock has evolved to the point of creative saturation. It peaked in the mid-90’s by alternative bands who were popularizing all the innovative content from the 80’s underground scene(s). And it’s been in a steady decline since. The newer entrants aren’t doing anything that hasn’t already been done before. And by default, legacy bands are the safer option.
That's something that I hoped Finn would get into on this video but he didn't. Rock stopped evolving. Throughout its run as mainstream popular music, rock kept developing new sounds that could keep hooking new fans. From 1950-2000, if you sent any popular song back one decade in time it would absolutely blow people's minds. Imagine someone hearing Elvis in 1947, or Jimi Hendrix in 1957, or Guns and Roses in 1977.
The last time that there was a big, new popular style in rock was Nu Metal. Someone hearing Limp Bizkit in 1990 is going to find it surprisingly novel. Even if they don't end up liking it, it's still going to be quite unlike what they were currently hearing.
But since the early 2000s there's been nothing to take the place of Nu Metal at the top of the rock popularity heap. As a result most new rock music sounds a lot like old rock music. Take a Five Finger Death Punch song and put it on rock radio 20 years ago and it's going to fit right in next to a Godsmack song.
@@mattrobson3603you do have a point in regard to nu metal but I would say that emo rock, and the garage rock revival of the 2000s were truly the last innovations in rock at all. Say what you will but emo rock definitely brought in a new audience to the genre alongside new sounds but I really think that once that died off in the early 2010s, there wasn’t much left to innovate. Alternative rock and post grunge continued into the 2000s as well but has become so broad that it’s hard to decipher if they’re a new genre of rock or just doing what has already been done before.
I think one glaring point that was missed is when MSM was consolidated in the 90's and radio formats were changed for the worse. Rick Beato has a great video about this. Explains a lot. also....There IS a huge surge , right now, of Metal/Rock bands with female leads. It's a very encouraging sign.
Many issues in play here for sure but to your point about the good number of excellent fem. fronted or all female bands: probably for rock or any genre to have a strong resurgence there would need to be an environment where both guys and girls can go to a show and both be assured of having a great time (thinking heyday groups like Chicago, McCartney/Wings, Aerosmith, Elton). The bands with women are doing well now due I'd expect partly to being conscious of fostering that environment. This has long been a contentious point for the heavy music exclusivity-minded sausage fest. The women have been mastering their instruments and shredding with the best - giving due respect and support is probably in the genre's best interests.
if people judge quality by popularity then they don't know how to value real art.
Kevin Haines. There are amazing bands in Japan.
Bang on
😆😂
@@jamesk212 Internet can save these problems. I found most of the bands on UA-cam.
Some people need their art spoon fed
I think one of the main reasons rock has cooled off, not necessarily dying, is the majors labels are playing it safe with who they sign. Let me qualify this by saying I'm 38 and was a teen during the last hoorah of rock in the 90's. Back then, you had "gateway" bands into the more extreme genres being promoted by the majors. You had bands like Pantera pushing extreme metal acts, Marilyn Manson pushing goth/industrial, Nirvana pushing punk, Tool pushing technical/ prog metal and Nine Inch Nails pushing electronic/industrial. If you were a fan of the music these bands were putting out, you could look into their influences and dive deep from there. The major labels don't take chances like that anymore on "extreme" acts.
I think the cost of musical instruments factors into it as well. It's helluva lot cheaper to buy a complete digital "studio" then it is to buy a rig for just a guitar. For a couple hundred bucks you can create a complete song/album in your bedroom, on headphones, alone. You don't have to worry about making a lot of noise to piss off the neighbors or mom and dad while you're creating music.
Also there are a lot of schools that don't have music programs anymore. For a lot of would-be musicians, that's the only source of formal education they can receive. That feeds back into letting digital studios do the heavy lifting of keeping music in time and on key. Why specialize, in say guitar, when with a base understanding of music theory you can create a whole song by yourself on your computer.
For most kids, there's nowhere to play. If you aren't in a major city there aren't any venues for your hardcore band or whatever to play. I think people are also more apt to call the police these days for a noise complaint for some kids making noise in dad's garage. How many parents are willing to deal with that all the time? There also isn't very many practice studios to rent out in the sticks if you're lucky enough for your parents to be able to afford it.
Basically, what I think is going on is the environment isn't right for rock bands to grow. It's a culmination of things. Cheap digital studios, no gateway bands in the mainstream, the expense of guitar/bass/drums and nowhere for kids to make a racket without getting hassled for it.
The shitty attitudes from "old heads" doesn't help either. I've heard so many people in my age group bitch about "emo shit bands". If I were a teen, I wouldn't want to be around nostalgic, grouchy assholes, either.
You can get a good guitar and amp for under $500 which if you're a kid in middle or highschool and you really want that Ibanez rg with a peavey amp that's only a few mowed lawns and walked dogs and babies sat for a few weekends before you get a good rig for a good price. Also with those same recording programs you mentioned you really don't even need an amp, just have to get a decent audio interface to cable through and you'll have waaaaay more tone and effect options than any amp or pedal can provide. With that setup not counting the mac as a part of the cost you can still get a good recording set up for around $500 still. Even if you only get the daw and you just program all your songs unless you're aiming to be a hip hop artist or a DJ you'll need real instruments because while they are getting better most plugins are still off from the real deal.
"or a couple hundred bucks you can create a complete song/album in your bedroom, on headphones, alone"
actually, it's cheaper than that, because most people pirate the software.
So right on the money. Accessibility; it's what young people can get their hands on. Everyone having access to a computer or similar has made electronic music much more viable to kids/teens/young adults.
How safe is Ghost? They sing about Satan and the Antichrist.
i really want rock to become more popular and i think ppl like mgk, as much as i hate his music, is at least trying to do it. but evidently, annoying elitist metal fans do nothing but treat people like him like shit. if the fans are going to be stubborn assholes forever im chilling playing in an obscure mathcore band or whatever lol
People don’t hate on MGK because of the music he makes, it’s because he’s a creep and he’s fake as can be.
I like the songs he made though, they’re super catchy. Still wouldn’t pay to see that live. I’d much rather go see a band like Turnstile
Roch is dying because it cost too much money. You have to be a rich child who lives in a house with a basement play room for your parents to allow you to have band practice. Nobody lets kids do anything and then everybody gets surprise that the kids spend all their time on a computer screen. And as an adult I got people telling me a practice space is worth $400 an hour
I think that rock music will become a niche genre, just like how jazz music is now.
@ Oroles said "will become", as in 3... 2.... 1.... obscurity.
@@commandercaptain4664 yep it's 50 years already dude since British Invasion, just like jazz lasted for about 50 years before dethroned
If my memory serves me right, Rock has always been on a wobble between the center of the mainstream and complete irrelevance, the lynchpin has always been bands that appear seemingly out of nowhere to shake the system. In the late 60s it was the heavy metal progenitors like Black Sabbath, Iron Butterfly, Led Zepp, Steppenwolf, etc. In the mid 70s it was the Sex Pistols, the Ramones and the Clash with the origins of the punk movement, in the 80s, well the 80s had alot of bands crop up, Thrash came up in this time with the big 4, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax, (also hair metal happened but we dont talk about that) the early 90s, the grunge explosion hit like an 18 wheeler with bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden, AiC and Pearl jam falling into the centerfold of pop culture, followed quickly by Bay Area punk in the mid 90s, Bands like Rancid, The Offspring, Pennywise, Bad Religion, Social Distortion, and probably most mainstream Green Day, then there was a little break, as Hiphop was a dominating force for a while, and then between about 2001-2003 there was a boom of alt rock bands, particularly from the New York scene with bands like The White Stripes and The Strokes, then on the other side of the globe, bands like Arctic Monkeys, The Kooks, Franz Ferdinand. There was also the big Emo boom with bands like The Used and MCR dominating teenage pop culture for a while, and then idk, around 2008 Cage the Elephant came on the scene and put out a couple banger albums before kinda going more indie pop, but since then there hasn't really been another earthshaking rock boom, honestly I think the reason isnt the fans, or the bands, i think it's the Industry choosing to ignore the underground rock scenes in favour of rap and pop, there are plenty of fantastic and thriving underground scenes (I'm from Toronto, we have a MASSIVE underground rock scene, but nobody really notices because its not profitable anymore.) I think some band needs to pull a nirvana and shit out an absolute banger album to fucking resuscitate R&R because fuck man, it's been out cold a while now
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When my local rock station played billie eilish i quit
She's not that bad tho...
My radio station is doing that now too.
I know she isnt bad but it she isn't my cup of tea.. And that isn't the first example. I live in Houston so I know it is just them trying to please the masses. We have 1 rock station and 1 classic station the rest is rap and pop. I actually listen to rap but I think if I am listening to a rock station I am in the mood for rock so... I'll just stick with playing my own tunes.. Plus on rap stations it isn't even good rap lol hate mumble auto tune shit. Bad guy is super catchy i like the bass line but that isnt rock
@@jonathanlemon544 smart answer...
@@jonathanlemon544 just for your information
BILLIE'S songs is my sleep song ....but just so you know who am i my hype is kill em all... master of puppets...Arch enemy...jinjer.... Megadeth...slayer...cryopsy...GNR...and say whatever rock,metal album and band you want... I'll listen... Now I'm not bragging about anything but I've been to music school...and been on music for 10 years....and yeah ... BILLIE'S is catchy why? Because it's good music...so....yeah that's all...
This video seriously drove so many points home. I have been in a number of rock and metal bands and when I was in the bands I told him that we really needed to do something with our sound to make it somewhat more accessible and nobody wanted to do that period everybody just wanted to do their own thing and at the same time they were completely bewildered by the fact that nobody listened to our music.
I find Rock fans are the most vocal about their distaste of other genres of music such as disco, rap, house, pop music, Justin Bieber,... you name it! Look at comments of videos of Rock artists and you will see such comments stating it's "real" music. While other genres such as hip hop, pop, house, techno, etc... their fans are too busy enjoying the music to criticize others.
Example... a co-worker of mine long time ago in the early 90s convinced HIS SON... that rap is not real music. He actually converted his son towards Rock music!
The Disco Demolition event in 1979 was the Rock fans disgust and hating on Disco as a mainstream genre. Who the hell does this?! It's the elitist attitude that is cannibalizing the Rock genre they love!
Sadly, this video perfectly sums up the state of Rock as a whole. Good job with video the by way!
Well said. Steve Dahl didn't save rock, he began the digging of its grave. And the disco he wanted to destroy has ended up having a revival in the 2010s.
That Knocked Loose x Travis Scott thing killed me
Cooper Heaton i had to rewatch a couple of times i kept laughing at it lol
What song was that?
Brian Stancato counting worms
ARF ARF
I love both artist, travis as a producer, and knocked loose as metal. Astroworld and rodeo are great album
rock used to be the pop of the 80's, when the californian rock scene blowed up, being a rock star was like being a hip hop start of tdday, lots of controversy, lots of scandal, lots of coverage
Facts it's alot hip hop to it's place or something
It's not californian Rock scene that blowed up,rather the British Rock scene.
californication
Music can't evolve and grow if it's locked into a style. There is no longer a shared experience and consciousness like there was with early top 40 radio and 3 TV networks. Everything is scattered. You get more diversity that's more dispersed. (dispersity? :-)
@@ltr1745 British people always made the best rock. I think Arctic Monkeys is like the newest great rock band and they’re like 40 now.
I agree, Tim. It’s dying because there’s no longer a dominant TOP-40. Radio dials are almost totally filled with C & W and nostalgia stations. You’re probably too young to remember when there was a top-40 but it was totally different than this fractured, splintered niche landscape. Us boomers just aren’t good at articulating our lament. Complaints of “there’s no good music today” could be translated to “Damn! I miss seeing MTV’s Weekly top-20 countdown and hearing Kasey Kasem’s AMERICAN TOP 40!” For real, Saturdays used to be magical, top-20 countdown came on at 1:00am and American Top-40 started at about 3:00pm. If the 80’s were a vacation destination you could go visit, you’d just love it.
The problem is the huge number of insular, elitist hypocrites who break the genre down into a million sub genres and then hate on all of them other than the one they identify with. Just look at the top comment in this thread, instead of taking the time to shout out an artist that they think deserves more recognition they instead take the time to hate on a band they don't like.
Exactly!
Why do some people think existing outside of the mainstream, is the worst thing? If you see everything thru the lens of profit, sure. Just imagine, music existed befor records, musicians existed befor that.
Yep. The last time I really cared about anything on the radio was in the early/mid 90s when I was a kid discovering Green Day and Nirvana. I could care less what's popular because the bands I've loved the most for the last 25 years are either broke up or exist in the "underground" anyways.
The reason it matters is that much as you mighy not like it bands are a business and if they arent making money they cant keep producing music. It costs several thousands of dollars to produce a album with amy kind of decent mixing. The rap scene has it alot easier in that sense as there is plenty of uncopyrighted beats and background music for them to use and they just have to use a microphone to record their vocals.
@@02bluehawk Mixing is really not that expensive. You can do it at home and have it sound fine
@@l2shields yes you may be able to but not everyone can and not everyone can afford the equipment to do so well and unless you're electronically tracking the drums recording and mixing drums to make it sound good in a nightmare
Because touring and only playing to bar patrons who won't buy your merch and music is a losing proposition.
The fact that this topic is being talked about should bring a tear to your eye.
@Joe Frang thats not why, young white people listen to rap and edm thats why
@Joe Frang lol we still rule the majority of the population....
How the hell is race an issue?
Joe Frang your right on that same thing with hip hop, majority = black and for reggaaton= Hispanic Latino
Joe Frang I see what you are saying but at the same time what about the other rock fans like in South America?
I've been getting back into metal and rock in a big way lately, but it has been tricky to find bands to join because there's not many rockers in my area, everyone is like 30 years older than me and are not into anything harder than Clapton. Probably doesn't help that the one big rock/punk/metal festival that used to be held here was cancelled indefinitely a few years ago, about the same time that the whole live music scene was killed off by our city council being filled with NIMBYs who are so intolerant to nighttime noise that the crossing alarms switch to silent mode after 8pm.
This is so on-point, and depressing.
i got very sad after watch this video, make me realising there is no hope
Gatekeeping in Rock:
"The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead. And the dead keep it. The way is shut."
lol Lord of the rings quote. True statement though
Best application of a LotR quote I've ever seen. Thanks for the perspective!
An Evening with Ebola Seems far less about gatekeeping and more about those pathways being closed.
An elf will go underground but a dwarf dare not..oh I better get to the end of it!
@G God damn it, Walter! What does any of this have to do with Vietnam- I mean, Feminism?!
European metal fan here, and you do have some serious points here, and the figure about Travis Scott having x3 as many listeners as Metallica really hit the point home with me. I would make a point though - The fact however mainstream festivals tend to have newer headline acts while rock acts have the legacy acts, I would argue this is down to mainsteam audiences not having much loyalty and moving onto newer acts once their appeal has run out, while the rock/metal fans stay with their bands for the most part. E.g. Some of the latest festival headliners in the European scene include Sabaton, Ghost, Parkway Drive, Gojira, etc. While they formed in 99, early 00's, so might not be a "new" band, they are the new crop of headliners that aren't just "legacy" bands and do have the rockstar feeling, we just take longer to grab them up to that size as their growth is more based around touring and releasing strong albums, rather than labels pushing singles on radio for a quick success.
Love the video anyway, keep up the awesome work
Exactly guys like Gojira and behemoth are blowing up lately and they feel fresh and new but I always forget they’ve both been around for over 20 years
It is great that the rock and metal community still cherish older acts. The problem is the community is also a lot less accepting of newer/innovative acts as well. If the community could embrace change, it d be the dominant force again.
It depends on the act, as a lot of people have been pointing out many of the newer acts are just references to much older bands who have basically been forgotten Ghost and Blue Oyster, Greta Van Fleet and Zeppelin, Airbourne and AC/DC or that completely unmemorable band which is just Rage against the Machine again.
In the underground people are basically just rerecording the music of the 80's using modern production.
There really isn't that much going on that is new, and what is new i.e Mgla is leading the pack.
I kinda agree, the mainstream industry seems to be intentionally catering to a young demographic with a short attention span by refreshing its artists every year while making others obsolete, while rock fans are all about replay value. That ultimately still doesn't address the problem of rock dying, which is kind of sad, but it ain't worth sleeping with every LA socialite and getting your face on E! or Buzzfeed for the privilege of being 'relevant'. If rock is meant to die, let it be so. At least rock did it its way.
Well said.
9:12 "Completely controlled the crowd"
Controlled them so well he killed a bunch of them.
I heard every word of this vid bro. I turn 40 this year, and I ALWAYS want my favorite 80's and 90's bands to do what they did....the LAST album. I do have to admit....I do enjoy ALOT of the new deathcore, death metal, and hard rock bands, FURIOUSLY popping up. Newer music always deserves a chance, no matter what. Great channel content bro, keep it coming!!
The cultivation of the local rock scene is the best way to save the genre. Don't believe me? The Punk Rock MBA is full of comprehensive videos detailing the rise of different scenes over the years (it's my favorite thing about this channel). There has to be a place for bands to develop before anyone can break big. This video did a great job of pointing out that we all have to do our part.
However, I completely disagree with the notion that rock has to conform to the mainstream in order to find success. Historically, rock breaks through into the mainstream when it stands in stark contrast to what's offered. Pop gets stale too. Rock has to have something substantial for people to gain interest, not just have rock versions of pop stars. Nirvana didn't knock Michael Jackson from the top of the charts because Kurt Cobain could do a better moonwalk.
While bands do need the attention of the mainstream, it can't be for the same vapid reasons as the "reality stars" mentioned in this video. We need more rock legends, not forgettable trends.
Yeah he makes it sound as if a guy in a rock band needs to get a celebrity chick pregnant or some shit to gain popularity or be in the tabloids which is ironic considering that Vince Neil, Axl, and a lot of those guys were in the press and media but sometimes not for the best of reasons
Fucking A dude
No Nirvana did not, but rock music was still very popular at the time even if it was Motley Crue and the like.
Local scenes are dying. In my area (25mi radius), there is one all ages club . In the 90s, there were 3 in one small city near me. Sure, they could book basement and hall shows these days like my bands did, but there was genuine interest amongst peers in punk, rock and hardcore. That isn't their now. Thst interest lies with the artists he mentioned and folk stuff.
While gear is cheaper and it's easier to record for bands now, with minimal interest from non-musicians, it seems impossible to grow something from scratch. Their does need to be more than 21 Pilots occasionally strumming a guitar to generate interest beyond tired- to me- trap beats.
You're right but all the alternative kids of today are gravitating towards soundcloud/emo rap and alternative pop instead, the niche that rock used to fill has seemingly been taken.
First of all, \m/ Secondly, as long as there is a Black Dahlia Murder, BTBAM, Tool, Rammstein, etc, there will always be some of the coolest people to walk the face of the Earth as fans.
When a band like Mumford & sons is named best rock band of the year rock isnt and dying it's dead...
That name sounds like a British cartoon from the 70's.
I agree. Even Hansons are heavier than Mumfords & sons.
I thought they were folk lol
@Beard Guy101 uhh no... They aren't country.
Have you not heard of FUCKN
MOTLEY CRUE!!
This vid was pre-COVID: it’s official... Rock is DEAD!!! Without touring in 2020, Rock took a big hit.
Yeah...
Like Fred Said.. You Gotta Have Faaaaaaiiieth lol
@@roelruiz2022 I’m 15 and picked up guitar 3 weeks ago I might dedicate my life to trying to get rock/metal music back to where it was I’m not sure which genre I prefer although I know metal is way better to listen to and I can feel it but rock music like Guns and Roses has so much emotion
Kai C fuck yea dude go for it
Tbh I’d have to disagree with that. A lot of young people picked up a guitar for the first time with all the down time and are learning the genre for the first time
Yes, I do indeed concur that Rock is definitely on its last legs! To understand WHY I think one needs to consider WHEN and WHY rock and roll had such impact and became so popular in the FIRST PLACE. Rock and roll first emerged in American during the 1950's - a time when Western society was generally still pretty conservative. The old sexual puritanism and rigid conformity standards still had a pretty strong hold over the masses, and people really needed to UNWIND. THAT is why it resonated so powerfully with all those teenagers of THAT decade, and pretty well continued to with young people of the following few decades (the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s). But NOW, in 2020, people don't need rock and roll to unwind cause that old conservatism is pretty well DEAD, or it certainly isn't as pervasive as it was in the past, and most people are already so LOOSE to begin with! In the FUTURE Rock MUSIC will probably still always BE THERE, but it'll be just another kind of music, like any other kind (classical, jazz, salsa, tango, polka, whatever). And it will probably always have it's admirers, like any other kind of music does, but it will never be a BIG PHENOMENON or have any SIGNIFICANT MAJOR IMPACT ever again, .. . THAT is definitely HISTORY.
Sounds right and it's sad.
But isn't history always repeating? Also you named 4 decades a huge amount of time with tons of changes culturally and in terms of rock. Also I'm pretty sure there was a bit of a cultural relapse in the 80s as opposed to the 60s in terms of conservatism. Not to mention the current and constant plauge of conservatism now. Also there was a bit of a rock boom in the 2000's and early 2010's
It's definitely a big part of the history of rock and it is correct to an extent, but acting as if this is the single deciding factor seems myopic. There are a shit ton of other factors and those genres you mentioned are always coming back in new ways merged with different genres. Rock has been extremely stationary.
@@wtfcrazygamingyou forget 70s hippy era
@@GH23d7sL45 hippy era
Yeah, if history were the deciding factor, Rap and R&B would be dying genres too, but Rap especialy is doing better than ever, evolving with the times, drawing huge crowds and playing the game. They don't have this stupid "I hate being successful but also why don't people like me" mentality that Rock and Metal do. If Rock and Metal dropped the pretentious bullshit, they could make a comeback. Unfortunately I think the pretentious bullshit's kinda baked into the community and its perception at this point.
I think the older/ignorant/ hateful metal heads of the 80s and 90s have a huge part to blame. Instead of supporting the evolution of metal, they threw nothing but hate at it and now all we have is imagine dragons lol
The shit that came afterward does suck though. I was born in '97 but my favorite albums predate '94
The only evolution of metal that was good was infant annihilator. Now the people in the 70s and 80s? Yea they did that for reasons. The reason we have sucky music now is because music DID change which was what they DIDN'T want to happen
Just because something is new doesn't require everyone to jump on the band wagon. The old school bands became big because their work generated enthusiasm and street buzz. The simple fact is there are probably twice as many millenials as gen X'ers. If metal can't generate a fan base from this demographic alone the problem isn't old grumpy farts it's the musics inability to excite people
Daniel Subdiaz listen to Wage War, Thy art is Murder, The Devil Wears Prada. Those are great bands. I was born in 92 and when I was in High School, all my metal head friends would talk shit on my music without even listening to it. Ignorance. Listen to something new instead of the same shit that has nothing new to offer.
That, and the potential fans are looking at the old Rock Stars and want nothing to do with it because they're misogynistic and, often, _racist_ assholes. Also, they're sellouts. Gene, for example, _literally said_ that money was more important than art. _And,_ as everyone knows, they fuck over our UA-camrs. Constantly. Every chance they get. Gene needs to stop blaming others and look in the mirror. _HE,_ and other people like him, is what's killing Rock.
There are punk and metal bands out there..... But noone's paying attention to them...
Exactly, and it sucks because you have to fucking dig deep to get them.
This... and it's so easy to find new bands.
@@joshuakhaos4451 not really. just have an Instagram account and bands will follow you, depending on your posts and what/who you follow
@@joshuakhaos4451 just follow jeff rosenstock's whole catalogue, and follow the DIY bands he's tied into
i did that, its just easy
100% agree
I kind of like how rock is becoming a little more niche. It’s the first time for me the genre hasn’t had any trends or a scene. It’s refreshing.
Great video!
I'm a 40 year old man who enjoyed Nu metal era when it was at its finest back in the day, but I'm definitely not stuck in the past. I've preaching through facebook groups the exact same words of Finn, and all I have gain is rejection and a bunch of bad comments and energy. I even had to unsubscribe some of those pages because rock fans definitely do not want to move on. Finn is absolutely right, rock fans are the ones to blame. They and their attitude towards rock music are the ones who are killing the genre. Metal and rock music will be long gone in a few years from now, and its gonna be sad to witness it
Aww dude that sucks I wanna move on and I'm a teen
@@mychemical_sunshine5879 soory to hear that pal. Put some effort on it and I'm sure you will succeed
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And I'm a teen, was I born in the wrong generation?
@@antenna7002 weren't we all lol its unfair our parents had all this now we are stuck with justin bieber
My generation (generation Z) also just isn’t accustomed to hearing guitar distortion. What got me into rock and metal was actually Linkin Park 10 years ago. But now that there’s no gateway for new fans, people would rather just listen to what they’re used to (trap drums and synthesizers). In order to save rock, we need another good gateway band.
This trend became glaringly obvious when I went to a Korn and Alice In Chains concert about a month ago, and I only saw about 5 people total that were around my age.
And they were probably there with their parents lol
@@ThePunkRockMBA Question, what about Bandcamp? it's nothing compared to Spotify and other music platforms. I do see a couple of rock/metal/core fans on Bandcamp looking for new bands to listen to.
I agree with this 100% Im a rock fan mainly the core genres of metal and emo, punk kind of music, I don't know how old you are but im 21. I remember when i got into metal music was 7 years ago people still did like rock music wasn't a lot but i did know quite a great deal of people who were into metal especially the core stuff. Nowadays I don't know alot of teens who are into that stuff. You are right about needing a gateway band. There is this band greta van fleet not a fan of that classic rock sound they have going on. Greta van fleet is what wrong with rock today because they are not innovative. They are a replica of the 70s classic rock sound ex led zepplin. I don't know if im part of the minority here but I would like to see rock and metal bands and fans not be stuck in the past. Usually metalcore fans and deathcore fans somewhat are ok with change.
Larry Vorderwuseldecke With all due respect I disagree (except for the fact that my generation does think the outfits are weird and ugly). Whenever I show someone a great “rock” song they either look nervous or think I’m crazy. Hell, my roommate even said that my music was too “emo” for his ears.
Idk aic,Korn Are arguably gateway bands
rock is already as dead as jazz. there's only so much you can do with a given set of criteria before the sound looses the interest of an audience. so you tweak it and try something else, and when that gets old tweak a little more. that's the evolution of a genre. jazz and rock have both been through every possible permutation given the instrumentation. the frontrunner now is rap/hip-hop, a different beast entirely. but let's not forget that rap/hip-hop has roots in r&b/soul. 30 or so years from now something new will come along that has roots in rock, but isn't rock.
What hip hop artists are doing anything new? I try to see a lot of hip hops appeal and it really just seems like people listen to it because it’s “cool.” Like Good kid Maad city was a legendary album, summertime 06 is amazing as well. Igor was pretty sweet too. But the majority of hip hop is like what the majority of any genre is like, boring and derivative. It’ll surely die too.
@@KD-vg2yn you see my point quite clearly.
Very interesting and very thought provoking. Enjoying it.
I think one of the main reasons why rock is dying is because huge record labels aren't willing to sign bands.
I think this is it. Underground rappers are having it rough too. Only mainstream, easy to produce, bubblegum pop and hip hop is being pushed now. Because it's cheap. Once the internet came about, one of the biggest revenue streams for the industry was stripped away. Rock/Metal bands are too expensive to handle now.
Unfortunately, Metallica was right during the Napster dilemma.
@@mario10zeus That doesn't make sense as every other Genre was also getting illegally downloaded. They needed to evolve towards streaming
@@sadboipotato3382 100% its funny Finn skips right over this part of the equation.
49 years old. I've been hearing "rock is dead" since I was a kid. It will never die.
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it has certainly been dieing over the last 15 years rock hasnt been relevant since nu metal
The Ramones were singing about this in the late 70s/early 80s. that rock and roll is dying, if not dead.
"We need change and we need it fast/Before rock's just part of the past/'Cause lately it all sounds the same to me"
Same here,i`m 55! :)
@Joe Frang bro. It's good to be aware of things but this isn't the issue lol....
About 20 years ago (posting in 2020), there was a rock-rap fusion, but it didn't work out very well. Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park were among the acts. There were many more, but those are two that immediately come to mind.
You can literally invent any sound you want now with synths and play it any way you want with whatever instrument that can control that synth. All that's needed is some virtuosity combined with a new sonic vibe and rock can survive. This is a golden opportunity to redefine rock
No all has been done,rock is not easy to listen to new fans
@@wingedhussar1453 in the 60's prior to the beatles explosion, critics thought that electric guitar acts had already done everything.
Starset has done something similar to their music but they’re not mainstream either
Here's how I see it as a musician:
New band: *plays classic Rock Style
Audience: Meeeeh I don't like it, It's a (Insert glorified band name) ripoff!!
New band: *plays new style with electronic or very modern music elements
Audience: Meeeh Thatt's for POSSERS I don't like it, That's not real rock!!!
This is something that happens a lot in rock music when in electronic or hip hop is the other way around, the weirder and crazier it sounds, the better people reacts to it (as long as you don't go all the way up to artistic masturbation) and there is more room for musical innovation.
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I disagree. I have literally NEVER heard of someone calling another band a poser before. I mean, sure, if they sound like another band only worse, I will call them a ripoff artist. If a band is 99% pop yet calls themselves a rock band (see Panic! At The Disco), I will say that's not real rock. Personally, when I go to shows, I see lots of punk bands that sound exactly like either the Ramones or Rise Against, and I don't support them because they don't have a unique sound, but venues are very hesitant to allow bands with unique sounds, instead choosing to stick with the safe sounds they're used to. The way for rock to maintain relevancy is by rebranding for sure, but that's an uphill battle at all levels of the music industry.
@@raveyard4927 " The way for rock to maintain relevancy is by rebranding for sure, but that's an uphill battle at all levels of the music industry." THIS!! Thanks for that :) that's something that every rock band, venue, promoter, label and musician should understand.
Like it or not, I feel that Metal is the future for loud and heavy distorted music because of the fact that bands like Five Finger Death Punch, Slipknot and Tool have managed to become relevant. And they are not even a hip hop group! The only current Rock that people have now are just veterans like The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Radiohead with the more current musicians like Greta Van Fleet trapped in the shadow of superior and legendary bands like Led Zeppelin
Bands shouldn't need electronic elements to be included in the conversation.
Kids are the reason any music sells or gets really big, they started marketing music to kids rather then adults.
Yap, and kids are intrested with songs with dirty words than fantastic musical composition.
That's why I had a hard time breaking in,I started singing about death and hell of course I don't believe in such things,but we're all gonna die some day,so that was my subject of choice.😡😡😡😡😡
@Justin Last then was my time to shine I let my high paying job hold me back I was so....insecure and afraid I feel like I let everyone down even my Girlfriend..Now it just too late
Rock 'n' Roll was often decleared dead, but it will never die!
its dead bro
@@pavlekovacevic1676 old rock and roll is definitely dead now they have heavy metal trash metal rap music hip hop etc etc old bands like the Beatles Led Zeppelin the doors The Rolling Stones Elvis Presley will always be popular
I love the editing when Finn talks like one of the "fans" and there's a fisheye-type effect. XD
Ill leave it right here.... Warped Tour!!!! Yes, its gone...NOW... but Warped tour was/is exactly what you mentioned in this video... it promoted the hell out of up and coming bands the headliners were typically bands that were at max 10 years old and in most cases much less than that.... They had huge crowds every city they went to.... I know for me, it was a way of learning of a lot of new bands that I love today! I am sad that it ended and that only ads to what you stated here being true
Warped Tour is gone but I went to the Bash Festival a few months ago. It was older bands but it felt like an evolution of the Warp Tour. It was all killer and no filler and I loved it. I'm also pretty against festivals as they require more time, effort and money than going to smaller shows.
I got to play warped tour in 2011 in Cleveland and man I def agree with this post. It was a giant promotion and echo chamber and the fact it is no more still blows my mind
I can understand why warped shut down. I went to disrupt fest this year which is the “new warped tour” and there was no one there. It was sad. It def proved what he is saying here. Rock is dying. Funny thing about disrupt, I kept running into people that said they saw all these bands on warped tour a week before. So warped tour isn’t completely dead. It’s just not a tour anymore.
Warped was the last leg the genre's had to stand on in the mainstream, and the fact that it ended just emphasizes what he's saying in this video.
Rockstar Mayhem Fest was in a similar vein to the WT as they would bring newer bands up to be the main headliners as it progressed. Though that fest was killed as it started picking up all the bands that weren’t really meshing. You had an invasion of the scene kids and super cringy acts that weren’t that good being mixed with actual talent. I saw a lot of great bands because of those fests, but it still came down to like this guy said, at least one big ticket name and none of the ones that were brought up to be openers on the main stage ever really saw top bill. Metal is by far the better genre of music and its something of a shame some of the newer talent aren’t trying to go for the gold outside of a handfull of groups.
As a fan of metal music, let me be clear about what I want to see:
-I want rock and metal bands to be successful, even mainstream successful.
-I don't want them to compromise themselves into a shallow parody of what they were.
-I want rock and metal bands to be in command of their own destinies.
-I don't want these bands to incorporate so many outside voices (i.e. people with little/no direct stake in the music or the band's future) that they become unrecognizable.
-I want rock and metal bands to be louder and clearer about who they are and what they stand for.
-I don't want these bands to so heavily define themselves based on what they are not, or what they hate.
And as for fan's love/hate relationship with this concept of "mainstream" and whatever that signifies, why is it so important to have one's musical choices validated by airplay on television or radio? That's old media. Internet platforms allow for the easy discovery and play of even the most obscure and underground music. Not to mention the deluge of react channels all over UA-cam inviting people to introduce them to different music. I find it far more validating to see the perspectives of nontraditional audiences (like Zoomer kids or African Americans) interact with metal music for the first time, and even get into it! If one judges popularity and success by old media standards, they're going to limit what they can enjoy. Why not create your own stream?
Finally: Hell Yeah, I want to see more rock star personalities! Nothing better than a confident, charismatic band that can not only grab the audience by the balls, but can do so in a way that remains memorable. More crazy get-ups, more larger-than-life figures! More whipping the audience into a frenzy, and scaring parents and authorities! If as you say, there are fewer rock stars, then there is a need to fill that vacuum. Maybe some artists will see that and seek to fill it.
Wishful thinking my friend
The band would have to do a publicity stunt or something I believe at the rate we’re going. Music trends are really hard to track now. But ultimately personalities to hold up the band, a distinguished stylistic sound, music that can be “vibed” to.
A lot of indie music now gaining a decent following online. Perhaps the indie scene genre can merge with a more hard rock type sound to make it to popularity. But it’s hard to do still.
My friend what you're also forgetting is that there's a Michael Jackson element plus a mix of crab fans, for example oh I've seen this, oh I've heard this and even though they are good, they're ripping off this band obviously of yesteryear. You know there will never be an era like this ever again.
@@bluesolace9052 can you recommend some current indie music?
This is exactly what I want and I think what you are talking about is exactly what it needs to get a boost but also a fresh mindset and also not giving a fuck type of identity!
I don’t think rock is dying at all but music in general has changed a lot and fast, it can be hard to keep up with.
What I have experienced tho is that I have found way more new music and new bands that I fall in love with, that would 10 to 20 years ago never been heard or seen!
My dad is a classic rock and metal fan, and he often talks about how many of the bands' members are old and such, and he doesn't like the mainstream anymore. And I'm always like "there are new bands that are really good, they just aren't the same because times change". I think my dad would like Spotify but I don't think he'd use it so much because he uses CDs or USBs for his music
Granted, I'm guilty of listening to some not-so-new bands myself. Ice nine Kills, Famous Last words, Motionless In White My Chemical Romance, Green Day are some examples. but I also like newer bands like Mister Misery, Oceans, Ember Falls, Tardigrade Inferno, SpiritBox, The Raven Age, Ghost, Currents, Silent Planet. All were discovered thanks to Spotify (except Ghost and the raven age).
In my opinion, the fans are to blame for the most part because promotors just give us what we want, or at least what the majority wants. And not being part of the mainstream, or not making the bands part of it won't help. I just want bands to thrive and be healthy so they can have more reach and introduce new people to our "club" and the hardcore fans to not be assholes to new people.
I love sharing my music with my friends even if they aren't into the genre, funny enough someone told me I don't look like someone who listens to metal and such (he wasn't wrong lmao).
New subscriber! Great video! I'm a former '90s Hollywood glam rocker and I can tell you a lot about the business! What you're saying is so true man!
Sad but True.. the Rock is dying, last week a girl ask me what music do I like and I answer: Alternative Rock, Metal and Hard Rock... then she says "amm ok" hahaha then I said but also like electronic music, deep house and techno and with that I got again her attention and keep talking about festivals and dj's etc... I was like shit Rock is so old that it's dying.
Yeah social media plays apart in it too the rock fans are getting brainwashed and too much exposure to other music that they forgot about rock
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xc Can easily happen. I have always liked rock but for 10 more years trance music has dominated. Now im on a 80s metal ride.
Rock will only seem old for the mass if they aren't exposed to it through massmedia. Kids, teens are pushed to like degenrate, criminal rap whether they like it or not.
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xc Also....Rock is mostly white. USA is antiwhite culture so that wont fly.
@@dreamawake2670 something happened with rock and roll and I don't know what it is
Find cooler girls, they are out there
I think the biggest cause of rock becoming stagnant began in the early 2000s. Rock radio literally began to ignore new bands. They became the Gen X version of classic rock stations. That bothered me. I got so tired of listening to the same songs over and over again that I just began ignoring these stations. It hasn't changed, for almost 20 years now they have played the same 90s and early 2000s rock bands with the occasional band like Halestorm (which, as you pointed out, really isn't a newer band). The fans just followed suit.
yeah, rock isn't really dead, rock radio is, and it is snowballing from there
There are 2 rock radio stations here- one is classic rock, the other "today's modern rock". The "moden rock" station occasionally plays something new (heard the interrupters last time I listened) but everything else is 25 year old 90s tunes (rhcp's under the bridge and nirvana unplugged are still in regular rotation). Youd think with 60 years of classic rock they could find something more interesting than the same 5 stones, 3 zeppelin, 2 who and 4 beatles songs but no. The hip hop station isnt much better as ive heard most of those songs (at least 15 years old). Radio is just bad. I only listen in the car when cant sort my phone out to start something streaming.
@@60degreelobwedge82 yea the one here is bad, seriusXM octane is grest but you have to pay for it...
@@60degreelobwedge82 Give me control of a rock station and you'd hear tons of shit. From old shit to new underground stuff. Theres so much variety of the 60 plus years of rock that you would basically never reach the end. plus put on other songs off albums that never got to hear the light of day that wasn't in just your car.
Lots of albums had songs on them that were sometimes better than the hit singles you hear.
Jack Fm in southern cali from 12-2pm Jonsie’s Jukebox plays a lot cool random rock/ metal music with new bands as well. Found lots of interesting music that way.
i think it also comes down to like... what can a standard rock band do that hasnt already been done to death? the permutations of drums bass and guitar have to be getting maxed out at this point
Music has constantly changed . And people have always liked what they like when they were around 14 to 16 years old . A dj or a rapper can travel around with a back pack of cloths and do shows at basically any venue a rock band needs drum sets and mics amps and mics , a pa a mixer and in ear monitors and or stage monitors . I used to play drums in bands and live sound always sucked especially in a small venue acoustic drums sound terrible. And the same is true for recorded music . A kid in their bed room can take a laptop with fl studio and a usb mic from Best Buy and make a song that sounds much much better than what they could record in that bed room with traditional rock instruments
No ones recording rock music with acoustic instruments in 2022. Its all VST’s and midi. Even most big bands.
Sure, the rock culture setup has some issues that were well discussed here. However, the flip side of it is that rock and metal tend to stand the test of time more. 25-year-old bands have put their time in, have built a fanbase, and in most cases know how to play. I listen to rock and metal that was released anywhere from the mid-70s to today, and I'm still always searching for and finding great new bands. The reason why hip-hop festivals are headlined by the hottest new thing of the past several years is that the "the hottest new thing" from 5 to 10 years ago has already been completely forgotten. It's funny to think about how even many of the non-mainstream rock/metal bands from 20 to 30 years ago are still popular and are now far more popular than just about any massive pop/rap act from that same time is today.
Hit the nail right on the head!! As long as the music sounds good, imma keep rockin out, weather rock is mainstream or not.
Well said bro. I think a key take away is to also leave room to listen to and discover new stuff at the same time of keeping the old.
Yup!
Wtf are you talking about? Ppl still talk about Hip-Hop greats like Tupac, Biggie, NWA, Wu-Tang Clan, Snoop Dog, Big L, etc etc. Rock has become boring af--the last exciting rock band was Nirvana
Went and listened to Travis Scott.. are you fucking kidding me? That's the 'hot shit?' LOL! Just the same old boring stale mumbling 'muddafucka muddafucka' over an artifical monkey beat
When only 25+ year old bands get to headline shows, there's also virtually no hope in taking your own band to the next level.
Exactly, sad but true!
Because people don't pay for music anymore. Yea some do, but most listen to YT or download for free.
Wow dude, what an amazing video. Thank you
I love your videos. Its like hanging with a buddy.
These days , rappers(SHWB, $B, Ghostemane )introduce metal much easier than metalhead themselves by putting influences. Metalheads just point at a band and either say it suck or it rock
True asf
THANK U
I think the hardcore scene and that side of the hip-hop scene playing shows together is super healthy and gives me some hope for the genre. Ghostemane opened for Code Orange last year and now he's playing and selling out 1000 person venues.
@@SinnedNogara same goes for Trash talk (hardcore/powerviolence) being in Odd Future (tyler the creator,earl sweatshirt,etc) Label and touring with these guys
Yep, and it's good that metal and the other genres are getting the spotlight from non gate keepers.
I was also shocked to learn that Ghostemane used to do hardcore. He looked the part but so many people today do but aren't. but it made me love his stuff way more.
I even have to give credit to Post Malone because he has publicly talked about rock and metalcore bands. at least they talk and put rock bands and the genres to their younger fans, but I wonder how many actually go listen and like it.
I would love to see an entire video done with the big chin guy
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Rock reached its peak just like any other genre like jazz and classical. All the creative possibilities with guitars, bass and drums (even keyboards) have been explored. It's not something to lament about, it's just a natural progression. This kinda helped me expand my music horizon by trying other genres like synthwave.
It only goes to show that rap, hip hop, r&b have gone through the times and now the one still relevant
Rock/metal/pop punk/punk metal they all died to be honest not really mainstream like that more rip 1990-2010. I remember rock was such a huge things it’s was so huge and mainstream it was everywhere it was even on cartoons, radios, movies, shows and games now it’s gone it’s dead I wish rock made a huge comeback and was mainstream again I miss it
In New Zealand we are quite lucky because we have several young rock and metal bands that have become mainstream acts in recent years, notably the Beths, Alien Weaponry and Shepherds' Reign. However, looking at the international scene I definitely feel concerned.
When something like Baby Shark is #1 for years all music genres are dying.
Those kinds of things have always existed.
but then good will come back right?!
@@duzirealz9469 anything can make a come back.....70s were bell bottom jeans in the 2000's people started wearing them again then they faded.
the metal version from frogleap is awesome :p
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We need more homies to make their own festival like swan fest by Dance Gavin Dance
jessie angelito agree bro
Love the band, Listen to "Secret Band" if you want DGD metal :p
Warped-Tour was MASSIVELY successful - why aren't they still doing it now? Because they didn't want to....is the audience for festivals still "there"? YEP! Somebody else just needs to carry the torch.
Kidsinamerica Riot fest needs to expand like warped
DGD is my favorite band by MILES and to prove his point.. they're like 15 years old, lol. I try super hard to check out new music but yeah you're right, bands like DGD supporting new music is what's gunna help.
Rock isn’t dead it just went underground. There are some amazing rock bands out there that get very little exposure.
Watch the whole video
@@AndreChaserI did.
You did not saw the video
I am a 15 yr old boy, I always loved metal before anything in this entire world, I used to save money to buy guitars, pedals and amps, and sometimes I even missed school for practicing guitar solos, riffs and licks. Now obviously having a guitar means you'll be asked to play something on it, my family members and friends used to ask me to play any song that I like...and when I used to tell them that hey I learned a very awsm solo from metallica or guns n roses, a lot of them didn't used to recognize it, instead they all used to make a very annoyed face, saying play something else and all of this was until I understood that the music I'm listen to is dead in my region and probably, not a single soul knows what I'm playing or what METAL even means.
Do what u want ignore them .metal music is for especial people .you are right they are wrong .
@@margarettehrani5 True, if they can't appreciate the guitar greatness of November Rain you'll probably never reach them.
So what you’re saying is: Step 1 - impregnate Kylie Jenner, Step 3 - profit
Step 2 - ? #southpark
@Hara Isbara Armenian privilege
The hip hop festivals are super popular and successful, but most of those acts are complete crap and you won't remember who they are 10 years from now.
This is true. Looking at that lineup for the hip-hop festival, soooo many acts, in a few years, 3/4 of those won't exist.
You say that, and that may be true, but _most_ is not _all_ , and they're still getting much more than we are. In the past 10 years or so we established a lot of new rappers to become household names. Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, Joyner Lucas, none of these will be forgotten anytime soon because they're great rappers. We also got people like XXXtentacion, Juice World and the likes, these guys are not as talented as the ones I mentioned earlier, but they're decent enough to get hit after hit and they also haven't been forgotten since they started a few years ago. XXXtentacion died and still has a decent following, he also inspired even newer rappers like Scarlxrd to create a brand new genre. What did we get in the past decade in metal? sure, we got some amazing new bands like Code Orange, Knocked Loose, Vein, but none of these bands are doing anything particularly innovative, and none of them have half the starpower or the charisma to become a household name like Kendrick became for rap.
That's good. New people will replace them which means we don't have to watch 50 year old rappers trying to pay bills because they don't have a retirement plan
How many rock bands can you remember from 10 years ago? Only the super famous good ones, not every one that played a festival, right?
Sturmbro629 ikr. Saw blink182 with lil Wayne. lol Wayne was trash lol
I remember back in middle school I really like Bon Jovi, U2, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and Green Day. Now I also listen to a lot of other genre. What gets my attention is how open the senior artist to junior artist in other genre. They don’t think the new blood are their rivals, they even mentored them. For example, before he got famous Martin Garrix is already supported by Tiesto. Skrillex release his early album with support from Deadmau5. Zedd release his early singles with support from Skrillex. I’m not sure if it’s also the case in Rock. But maybe I’m wrong.
Great Video!
Rock is “dying,” because the mainstream. Too many people listen to what is shown on the radio and what is popular.
You mean played on the radio
Sheeeple baaaaaaaa 🐑
People still listen to the radio? It's like using a telegraph service instead of an iphone.
You sound stupid.
In 2000:
Everything you want
Kryptonite
With arms wide open
Higher
Last resort
Bent
Minority
It's my life
I knew i loved you
2004:
This Love
The Reason
Someday
Numb
My Immortal
American Idiot
She will be loved
Here without you
Radios played these
The rock bands have to try hitting the radio.
When I was young, the mantra was "Rock n roll will never die". Who knew that instead, it would fade with a whimper? Whatever. The loss is for the current generation. As for me, I will bleed, live & die rock ... the old bluesy soulful rock.
Not really a loss we have the entire archive of rock music online. Music just constantly evolves.
Spectacular analysis, illustrating values all fans agree upon and tying them to the market, instead of cherry-picking bands and gatekeeping on taste. However, star power seems to be the most important cause; fans are stuck in the past because there are no adequate replacements, and they were equally conflicted about the mainstream when rock was a staple.
I think there's 2 problems with new big names entering. 1, it's all about nostalgia. And 2. Speaking in general terms the rock people see to be in the crowd where they don't really respect people younger then them. Think about it, if the greatest band to ever exist emerged tomorrow but they were 18-20 they would get no attention from the 30+ rock crowd.
Rock is alive and well in Japan
Marty Friedman moved there
snugs Marty is a god
Hopefully it'll spread
Agree!
It's alive in a lot of places outside of the US
Yea, a thrash metal lead guitarist for years that quit because he wants to be alternative and dropped off the radar. lol Yea, he was great but keyword there is was.
It’s times like this that separate musicians from stars. Musicians will do what they’ve always done, because it’s who they are and what they do. Stars will fall by the wayside because there is undeniably a shelf life for that.
Rock is just going the metal route. There always will people that discover it and keep the ball rolling under the scenes.
I am 40 and I love rock but there is a lot of truth to people like me just keep listening to the stuff from the past and not keeping up with the current rock bands. The last "newer" band that I really got into was rise against and they became a band in 1999, the year I graduated high school. Lol.
Rock/Metal fans keep on listening to the same band over and over again without discovering new band.
@@sasukekuniski1959 there are a lot of new bands coming in but it is very hard for them to get exposed. and about rap, juice wrld singing style sounds like pop punk with the beat. There is a video about it.
i honestly agree, I rarely look for new bands, theres a few sounds I like and i kind of stick to that
41 yr old rock n roll fan and I'm still listening to new rock. My sons introduce me to some pretty kick ass bands!
@@happymonkeyfish That's me too. I stumble across new bands. I don't go actively looking for them. If we want new Rock artists emerging we need to support them.
dude it's impossible to not keep discovering new bands these days especially as metal fans, you dont even need to looking for it. this is the age of social media and streanubg. there's always something for every niche, and not to mentions the recommendations/sponsored contents algorithm that filled your feed based on your preferences. at this day and age you dont need to consume mainstream media. i dont even own a TV.
I'm okay with rock dying, but I'm not ok with "rock fans" only listening to 70's, 80's and 90's bands, god ! please try fresh bands and support your local scene (if it's not a shitty revival scene)
yo if you want some good new blood check out Belmont. "Overstepping" is a good intro to their sound.
@@varg1231 I've heard about this band more than once now. I'll have to check it out.
Good call on the revival stuff, i get a twinge of nostalgia but then quickly remember how *insert scene* scene came and went. A good example was the easy core pop punk revival of the early 2010's that he covers in another video. I was in high school for the first big pop punk explosion late 90s so the second wave didnt mean anything to me, even though there were some great pop punk and mid west emo that came out of that.
You’re ok with it dying yet aren’t ok with people listening to older stuff? That makes no sense. If there’s nothing new to listen to then what the hell are people supposed to listen to?
70's and 80's is better that's why.
i hope rock and metal would be a part of the mainstream. that way we will hear a lot more rock around us. and where i live actually hear music that i love more in the radio