Dark Souls III Lore | The Last Stand of Demons, Demon Ruins, and Black Knights
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2024
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In this one I talk more about the downfall of Demons and the forces that went up against them. I still need to talk about Cornyx.
Thank you all who told me what you wanted to see in the 1k video! Now I have quite a few directions that I can go in and finally get out of these goddamned catacombs!
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Speaking to your points about the black knights being old, something interesting I noticed is that their move set is virtually indistinguishable from the DS1 move set (much easier to dodge and backstab compared to many DS3 enemies of their caliber). The only time the knight move set changes is when you find the silver Knights in Irythill/Anor Londo. As if the wandering black Knights have been wandering ever since DS1 and never really changed over time.
That's interesting. Another point I think is minor but at least worth looking at is that when killed, the Silver knight bodies remain on the ground, but when Black Knights are killed, they fade away into a cloud of souls.
If you attack the demons in the piles in the Old Demon King boss room, they bleed, just thought I'd put that useless info out there.
3DTyrant they're probably quite new corpses then, that's the only explanation that comes to mind for me.
It's a possibility, who knows though.
Maybe it has to do with humanity or embers.
For the record, the temple you're referring to in Cambodia is called Ta Prohm. It's part of the wider Angkor complex, but is distinct from Angkor Wat. It's also one of the only temples that has been overrun by trees.
Great video as always Mitch! The quality and production value are top notch. I look forward to your videos in the future. Your going places
Thanks Brian!
Honored by gendo , what a lucky man :D his son had to save the world multiple times to hear a kind word from him xD
Amazing. This particular lore series on Demons and Carthus has been deeply fascinating.
Here's hoping we get some DLC to tell us more! And thanks. I wish I'd known from the start that I'd still be stuck talking about this area for so long but that's ok. Pyromancies of the Great Swamp vs. Quelaana and all that will probably be up next.
Mitch L It's understandable that there will be a level of burnout when doing this lore, it is Souls lore afterall that's not only hard to understand but has deliberate red herrings and NPC's telling lies. Anyway going this deep into the lore only strengthens the quality of your lore series, it'll all be worth it and something to be proud of.
I'm glad you mentioned the text on the Demon Titanite and the Titanite Demon's themselves, you're the only person I've come across that has brought it up.
slightlytwistedagain Definitely a little bit fatigued but not to worry lol. Have you watched Hawkshaw's vids?
Mitch L Yeah I subscribed to Hawkshaw a few months ago. If it wasn't for his first two lore videos I don't think I would be as observant. I absolutely loved his analysis of Quelana especially the bit about charming you. It's truly amazing that something like that can be pulled off in a video game because I know I was charmed and became another fool. XD
***** That weird creature where you find Power Within is pretty much the prince of Izalith. The cut content you're on about is the king of Izalith who is the Exiled Xanthous King Jeremiah so the beast Lorian fought I think is a different beast altogether though I may be wrong. What's even more amazing though is how FromSoft has tied Izalith to Oolacile. The Xanthous set in DS3 is worn by an invader who invades twice in Farron. Farron is believed to be Oolacile due to Dusk's set, dead mushroom bros and Golden Sorcery Scroll, plus some of the Ghru enemies wear Xanthous coloured clothing. DS3 Xanthous head piece is also in the shape of a mushroom and that invader casts sorceries. You know who used to cast sorceries? The Witches of Izalith. Orbeck even confirms in a semi way by mocking the Xanthous scholars by saying they don't have those golden sorceries at their school. It really makes me wonder if the King of Izalith is or was the King of Oolacile as well. All these items and NPC locations looping around to one another really hints that the lore is much much bigger than most people think. It will be absolutely amazing if my theory is true.
Another good lore video. I like how you're doing stuff about the this that aren't usually focused on.
Like I told another commenter once, "no point in covering what's already been covered." :D
+Mitch L Yeah and we all know how that went 😄
This channel is a diamond in the rough. Seriously great content! Keep it up!
Thanks dude!
I learned of your channel through The Ashen Hollow and I couldn't be happier! The quality of your videos is right up there with the best of them all! And I really enjoy your perspective on some things and how you look at certain things differently than most
John Brony wow, thanks! That's a really nice comment to read. I appreciate your kind words.
Mitch L of course! And I appreciate your content!
This video is making ideas for a story spiral around in my head, thanks for the inspiration!
Really good vid. I appreciate your well-ordered, step-by-step approach to supporting your thesis, and your slow narration, which really helps my brain keep up with what you're saying.
Thanks man!
i beleive those demons turn into stone after losing the fire and the last one standing you can see he is almost out of fire too
The Demon Ruins were swallowed by chaos lava in Dark Souls 2.
Black Knights were charred black by Gywn linking the first flame which we see in Dark Souls 1 in the intro video. Gywn has an army of SILVER Knights behind him when he links the First Flame but when he does the flame spreads and burns everything.
Great video bro ;) i can't wait to see the next!
i think the black knight inside the ruins has it out for everyone.Notice how he kills a Ghru when you stumble upon him.Maybe the black knights are actually on individual missions. They are found by themselves throughout the game usualy next to important items. My theory is that since they are very old their alliegeance lies with the Nameless King who is believed to be Gwyn's son. Perhaps they decided to follow him since he is the only deity left alive
I remember reading somewhere that Gwyn's firstborn might have been involved in the training on Silver Knights in Sen's Fortress. It's an interesting theory and they still might feel a link to their old trainer. I'll make a video at some point about the Nameless King and see what we can find out.
Gwyns first son (the nameless King) was stripped of his power. That's why when you find him you can see that he is severely hollowed (physically)
These videos are awesome man! Very well done
I'm thinking that the demons used the basilisks found in the ruins to make those "statues"
that's a pretty good teory.
I always thought the covers on the back of the cleric set was to prevent the black oily serpent growth seen on Gundyr and some Hollows
Boomer Lizard that's a popular thought, but I don't believe there's much evidence to support it. There's not too much evidence to support what Mitch said, but it seems very plausible.
Heath Dan Thanks! I see what you mean now.
Boomer Lizard I honestly don't understand your last comment. I'm so used to some form of vindictiveness over the Internet and that's the only way I'm interpreting your comment... Care to elaborate on what you mean by your thanks?
Heath Dan thanks for backing up a new point of view, having as many as possible is good
Boomer Lizard ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself to a random confused stranger.
I'm actually starting to get interested in most of your theories :) good work
Good to hear, thanks!
I see a future lore powerhouse in thee. keep it up!
I won't disappoint you! First ever Mound Makers lore video coming out in a few short days so get excited!
great video man. keep up the good work
you don't talk about something that jumped out at me, even though you featured a close-up of it: the dead shaman where you get the Izalith Tome is one of a few found that have spore-like growths...which are VERY similar to Oceiros' skin or hide. They don't animate or interact in any way, but they do seem to have a "chilling" effect on the Ghru, who are often found nearby "resting".
I haven't seen anyone else talk about this, but it seems to me that if the point was to kill demons, the alliance seems to have stopped short at some point and Prince Lorian went home with some demons and his father started twisting himself into a half-dragon. I think the Lothric Prince found some power in the Demon Ruins that he took back to his kingdom.
I noticed it, and many other people has, but there is literally nothing else to say about it other than "A Ghru and Oceiros share a specific trait." We don't know what it means, simply because there isn't enough info about the Ghru at this time. For example, something that jumped out at me about Oceiros is that his "wings" have feathers. Dragons aren't supposed to have feathers. However, Gertrude was imprisoned and most likely experimented on by the Scholars of the Grand Archives, which are allied with Oceiros, which creates a link to go on regarding his "transformation" into a demon might have been based on the research that the Scholars had conducted.
I love to speculate, but I couldn't think of anything else to say about the spores as there is simply such a lack of evidence. We know Lorian travelled at least as far as Smouldering Lake (provided that the Demon Prince was once in Smouldering Lake) but nothing about him physically brining the stray demon back.
I'd love to see more about the spores in DLC, but right now there wasn't any more than a sentence or so to talk about regarding them.
0:57 those thing have the same stuff on their backs as Oceiron!
Yes they do. I'm not sure what to make of it yet.
great video! did you notice the corpse of the centipede demon in the old demon kings boss room? i dont think there is much lore for that but its a cool little easteregg xD
I didn't point it out but I did notice it! Nice touch by FromSoft.
wasn't eleum loyce stationed over the old chaos?? whatever happened to that? probably a dumb question, but the last time the chaos was around it was being guarded by that kingdom. I'm curious as to what happened to that. unless time really has been that long, shouldn't it be burning still?
Been watching your channel for a few weeks and I love it. Keep up the good work. Subbed.
Thank you my dude!
Could the Bed of Chaos of whatever still be alive, somehow in this alternate world of Dark Souls 3? That's why the branches are smoldering. Or could the Bed have become something like an Unkindled or Chosen Undead, "kindled" by an everlasting or fading Chaos flame like the embers for the Ashen One?
Or maybe the chaos flame just takes this much time to die out? More so with the Old Demon King protectively clinging on what's left of it.
My biggest question is: should the (human) darkness be welcomed or feared? Did Gwyn preserve his own legacy or did he believe that he was preventing some other greater evil?
So, I guess, did Gwyn commit a “first sin”/“great deception”? Or was it a true “the end justifies the means” moment for Gwyn?
kinda disappointed that you didn't mention two of the chaos witches can be found in the ruins. good video none of the less! I just thought it would've been an important detail to include.
I'm talking about them in the next video, don't worry! Wanted to talk about them with Cornyx as well, focuses primarily on Pyromancy schools.
Wouldn't it make more sense for the Ghru to be on the side of the Chaos Demons? When you go to the catacombs there are Ghru and Demon Statues. If they were at war with eachother, wouldn't they be fighting each other before you enter the room? Even the Black Knight has no problem killing the Ghru. Perhaps learning Izalith pyromancy was a sort of gift / payment for assisting in resisting the remaining Black Knights and Carthus.
maybe the chaos flame is like that of first flame which can never truly die, and will always flair up again from the ashes
Tiger Stoneman well seeing as the Chaos Flame was supposed to be an artificial recreation of the First Flame (from my understanding) then I think that is a very plausible idea. That's actually a very interesting thought, it's surprising to come across an idea I haven't yet seen when it comes to Souls lore.
If that's the case, it must take an absurdly long time to naturally rekindle itself. The First Flame would have gone out soon after DS 1 if some idiot hadn't linked it, after all.
it may be that the bed of Chaos needs someone to reignite it.
The chaos flame at the core of its nature Is simply a derivative of the first flames power. it behaves like a parasitic source of power in a sense that The first flames requires humanity to burn, the same is said for chaos which requires the first flame to burn. its a weaker copy of a Powersource that doesnt last forever. Like a wildfire, the demons burned with greater ferocity yet depleted their power much faster than the purer First flame. we become witnesses to the final chaos ember burning itself out in darksouls 3, while the first flame, although weak, still burns faintly.
My point is the Mighty First flame is fading, the faster burning demons are lucky to still be here considering.
Nice Video Mitch! Love the way you're trying to go past the pure event analysis by exploring and theorizing social aspects, culture and other "secondary" elements of these communities: found myself intrigued by it! Though imho, I believe that the Demon Clerics(Smouldering Ghru) you've been talking about are not sent from Carthus or someone else to destroy the demons, but are rather demons themself and therefore part of their society. The Chaos Gems can be dropped only from them, the great crabs and some crystal lizards. Then the fact that Chaos weapon scale with intelligence and faith makes me believe that these Demon-Ghrus were the religious class of the demon society, protectors of the sanctity of their heritage. Risking a step further, the Farron-Ghrus which can be found here might have found in them a spiritual guide to overcome their mutated nature: they were the Legion's Alcolytes but have been mutated uppon their relinking the fire (Farron was consumbed by a festering wood after the Legion's sacrifice), something very similar to how the original demons were created, which also happened by manipulating the Fire.
Great to see you here man! I have a lot of respect for your work and your videos. That's definitely an interesting theory about the Ghru being the more intelligent sect of the Demon society, hopefully we learn more in the future. Keep making good vids!
Oh thank you, i'm surprised you know my channel ^^ Keep up your great work too : definitely a fan of yours!
+RADEC大佐 I was very impressed by your theory that Rosaria is actually the former Queen of Lothric, as supported by the original Japanese item descriptions. Keep it up. Hopefully we can be a part of a new generation of lore-lovers!
I'm happy you enjoyed it! Would definitely be exciting to find our own little space between the other more know content creators ^^
Do you plan on covering Lonely Yhorm and the Profaned Flame?
Indeed I do. I have a list at the moment of stuff I'm planning on looking at. That subject will require a lot of investigation and research, but I would like to make it one day.
now remembering Tsorig i kinda wonder at the nature of phantoms in general...mostly due to the fat that you can make the knight slayer slay him self
Do you have any theories on what the Pus of Man is? I find it interesting that it's present very heavily in the early game (Iudex Gundir and Hollows) then disappears for most of the game until you fight the Dragons at the Castle
I feel like it is just the Abyss that has tainted certain NPCs, but I'll have to investigate deeper to know for sure.
Mitch L Ah so kind like what was up with Manus and his writhing tendrils and such? That makes sense, The Pus of Man-us haha
Thanks for good video! Can I get some info about music used in this video?
I dont know what that would mean, but the ghru in demon ruins have a moveset unsettlingly similar to that of the inhabitants of Blighttown. Could that be their origins, and they are actually not native from farron?
i feel like the the ghru accepted demon-hood and fought the lesser capra demon we see lying dead around the ruins for their place in the hierarchy.
Nice vid as always, i wanna hear your thoughts about the Dragón área (forgot the name)
Archdragon Peak? Probably in the future :)
Yup i forgot the name when i was writting it, i also have the thought of that the Black Knights should spawn once each couse that could give them a more heavy experience of that they are the last ones.
Hey! I recognise that build at the end. Did you do any PvP past night? I got killed by someone wearing your gear in the middle of a gank-spank fuckfest.
Nope! Wasn't me.
Mitch L Ah well, they had no courtesy anyway.
I think the black knights in Dark souls 1 and Dark souls 3 are different beings. Because in Dark Souls 1, Black Knights are found all around Lordran (yet none of them are even close to the Demon ruins), and seem ok with just sitting around and attacking only the undead, or maybe just anything that comes near them. The Ds1 Black Knight armor seems to imply that they are just armors with no purpose,like basically hollows. While in Dark Souls 3 it's obvious that even now they hunt the demons.
ese mighty knights roam Lordran and, in their hollowed state, are
looking to kill the chosen undead as he/she will try to kill the one
they were sworn to protect."
Actually, I don’t think the Gru learned any Chaos Pyromancy because they don’t cast any lava based spells. I could be possible they reverse engineered the spells but that really doesn’t make sense for they’ve greatly reduced the powers in this case.
I’m suspecting that’s the Gru pyromancers were already pyromancers who joined with Furons Legions to combat the abyss for dark based enemies fear fire due to their weakness towards it. Overtime they de-evolved into the subspecies they are now and ended up worshiping demons as gods.
You will notice that the black knights have no love for the Gru nor do the Gru like the knights.
Wait Wolnir pillaged his bracelets from clerics? Dosen't it specify in game that he got his bracelets from praying to the gods for the first time for protection against the abyss.
From the description of Wolnirs Holy Sword: "This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort."
Ah I missed that, thanks for clarifying. I could of sworn it said somewhere in the game that he prayed to the gods out of fear of the abyss and was granted the bracelets but I must be confusing it.
+Grizznups Montgomery He did pray to the gods as well as he began falling to the Abyss, but they didn't reward him for it, I don't think. I believe it talks about him praying in the description of either his soul or cinders.
I thought the things on the clerics backs were just hats.
i had thought that the gruh were a subspecies of demon
what if the chaos flame and the profaned flame are somehow connected?
This is something that I would love to investigate, as they are both flames that grew out of control.
I think the demons don't much care for the abyss either, born from the opposite of dark, and at war with Wolnir. Of course I don't think that's why they attack you, they probably attack you for being unkindled.
How did the demons light all those candles??? Huge plot hole, emerson depleted.
Unrelated to the video but one of the fun little things I like to do in DS3 is create Pseudo NPCs in some areas. For fun ofc
Tsorig has no chance against the black knight, I've never seen him win, ever.
black knights were scorched by the first flame during the first rekindling.
they also fought a war against the demons before gwyn chose to link the flame. gwyn sat there in the kiln from the time he linked it until we kill him, The war took place before his eventual decision to Make the ultimate sacrifice for his Worlds sake.
lumenflowers!
the gru not sure how it's spelled really. they look like starving demons.
I would say they look closer to the Bloatheads we find in Oolacile, but that's a topic for another video.
You do realize that clerics are a general term for practically every religion in the game, referenced or visualized?
Londor has clerics,
Carim has Clerics
Thorolund has Clerics
Drangleic has Clerics
Lindelt has Clerics
Lotheric has Clerics
etc.
Sure, but many of those locations (or simply families, in Thorolund's case) all adhere to the Way of White. The being said, I realise that not all clerics originate from the same place. Sorry if that's not more obvious in the video.
There's no evidence that the Way of White has or had influence in Drangleic or Lindelt. Even discounting Dark Souls 2, it would seem that Lotheric clerics follow a completely different path than the Way of White faith, as do the clerics of Londor especially. One could possibly make the presumption that The Way of White was the first documented instance of organized theocracy which had clerics. I'm simply under the impression that other nations like Carim, and Astora also had clerics, due to both their religious natures, that do not necessarily coincide with the "Vereor Nox" attitude of Thorolund.
One can also use the Princess Guard covenant for evidence in different sects of "Clerics" or "Priestesses" whom had access to miracles exclusive to them outside the Way of White.
I'm interested in what you take away from Dark Souls 2 as that game expands on this even further.
Did you know Demons were in Demon Souls ?
I don't believe you. my dearest Astraea could never be a demon.
Black knights were not scorched black by demon fire. The Black Knights were scorched black by Gwyn linking the first flame.
"These are former Silver Knights of Gwyn that were charred black during the Demon War. They traveled with him to the Kiln of the First Flame, but were burned by the still hot ashes. Now these mighty knights roam Lordran and, in their hollowed state, are looking to kill the chosen undead as he/she will try to kill the one they were sworn to protect."
Mitch L what is that from? I more than likely got confused in all of the lore videos I listen to. Fire of the demon war or fire from the Knights following Gwyn to the kiln is probably where I got it confused.
+Widney Burton no he's just wrong they weren't scorched by the war the were scorched by the linking of the flame
andrew porter there's really no wrong in souls lore, other than obvious things. I've heard many people say they were scorched while fighting the demons, and I've even heard from some people that they could have been scorched by demons then further scorched by the first flame. Each of these possibilities seem plausible, though I'm of the opinion that they were scorched while attempting to kill the demons.
Various item descriptions tell that both stories are correct. Some Black Knight accompanied Gwyn and were scorched by the linking of the fire, while others were charred by the battle against demons.
The armour was scorched by dragons not demons
Callisto Wickham I may be completely wrong, but I've heard many more people say it was scorched by attempts to fight the demons. Have you got anything to back what you said up though? It'd sure be interesting to learn why you have that thought.
Heath Dan no he took some of his Silver Knights to fight the dragons and the dragons charred them black the first game out right says this
It's entirely plausible for the black knights to have been scorched by more than one source. The dragons, Linking the First Flame, Demons. These are all sources of intense fire and any one of them could of easily caused the charring of the silver knights.
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They demons were extinct after you went through there 🤣
So everyone hates demons xD
Stop saying race when it's a species. Why are people so obsessed with race nowadays that they even forget what is the difference.