What if the Old Demon king was the last thing keeping the demon race alive. Using his chaos flame spark to constantly create new demons. And the ballista is meant to keep both the Demon king and his children from escaping. While the Sand worm consumes stragglers who manage to avoid the bolts. This would explain why there are so many corpses in the Demon king boss arena. Or he just killed any overly cocky demons. Probably none of this is true but it was an interesting thought that I needed to write down.
+Monica Stein The chaos flame touched many lives. Remember at one point Gwyn split his massive armies into two one to fight everything else. One to fight the demons. An army massive enough to take on an entire world of dragons. Split to take on security and the extermination of an infection. This would suggest that the chaos flame touched more than just Izalith. I would think that there was a great number more than there was in just Lordran. Only that Izalith was the center, the core of the infection. Remember that the chaos flame spread and took on vestiges beyond Izalith. It is only now that the last vestige was destroyed in the Profaned Capital is the demon race doomed.
All demons CHOSE demonhood over being human. Chaos parasite + human\lord\giant = demon. Watch Hawkshaw's video on the dark souls demon lore. its very compelling.
Well, Demon prince is last demon. This is some kind of tradition or curse. Sadly, there is nothing more into this. YeeeeeeeEAaaaah... Edit: And the "Demon prince" slain by Lorian was not litteral Demon Prince
@@justanotherfool8896 the demon prince was never slain and the original translation says he was defeated but never killed and in his defeat he went into hiding underground
The demon prince is the "chosen undead" of the chaos flame. Every once in a while, it reincarnates to rekindle the chaos flame. But every time it failed, being killed by powerful warriors like Lorian. In the dreg heap, 2 demons remain, the last demons in existence. They possess the soul of the demon prince, and once we kill the last of them, the last one standing reincarnates into the Demon Prince. Killing it marks the end of demonkind since we now hold the demon prince soul which we proceed to turn into a curved sword that shoots pyromancies and annoy the living hell outta anyone who tries to fight you.
I'm not entirely sure if you can take the narrative without a grain of salt sometimes. When you brought up the implication about the Demon King being the last living witness to the bed of chaos, it made me think about how you're told that the everlasting dragons are dead in DS1 until you discover that there is still at least one left in the Ash Lake.
Exactly, if the devs do this shit with Pharris in Ds2, I wonder if we can even trust what they are saying as well. And there is stuff in the environments and mechanics in these games that tells us stuff as well rather than item descriptions. Look at how Gascoigne's wife was on the roof of the building where Gascoigne was. He without question killed her. Or even in the same area, his daughter was killed by a pig. It doesn't say so through item text, but you have to look for it. I think there is so much obvious stuff we have been missing over the years, or it's just too deep to understand.
I don't know nearly as much about the lore, hence why I'm watching this lol, but those two things caught my attention and I figured it worth mentioning. thanks for taking the time to put these videos together. I love the deep and rich lore of games and learning about it. these videos have taught me a ton and even though I'm just starting DS3 its making it much more immersive.
Quick Question, did anybody ever notice Smoldering Lake has what looks like Arch-Tree's? Those huge pillars going up to the sky like they are holding things up. Do any of you think that perhaps the original Dragons and Arch-Tree's where underground as well?
I think the hole depicted among the roots in 11:49 depicted the small cavity in which the actual boss was in the Bed of Chaos boss fight. However, it may also suggest the dark sigil: without their flame to sustain them, the demons are like humans, also going hollow, or more appropriately, becoming Unkindled ash.
Another thing about the Stray Demon, it's that it has the same moves of the one of DSI. It's like it just get corrupted, old and weak, being the last remain of the like the Assylum Demon family. I just feel bad about the demons, the Carthus people just slayed them with no trace..... (Sorry if I had some mistakes, i don't usually speak on English).
+Mr. Sherm Well, it's the "Age of Men". The Demons are extinct, the Dragons too, there aren't too many Wyverns like in DSI, the Giants a dying race, the Gods are all dead, only the humans are "alright" in DSIII.
Well, as far as i am aware to the lore, there isn't yet an Age of men. Gwyn made sure of that, when he linked the fire. After the fading of flame though...who knows.
+Konrad Curze Gwyn really did a good job about don't let the fire fade, but maybe it's too late now. If you link the flame in DS3, there isn't a big explosion like in DS1, but you start to burn instead. This could mean that the flame is very weak to burn like it did in DS1, giving us a very shirt Age of Fire.
Mega Charizard X El Lechero Well actually there is another ending in which you let the fire to "perish" and darkness overcomes the world. That is pretty much the end of the age of fire and I think that this ending is considered as canon for the series. (well they are 2 more endings, but I don't wanna spoil them for you. I am only going to say that one of them is really fucked up, and actually made me feel sick in a way)
A very intriguing and different look on the Demons, who really seem to be a poor race, misunderstood and hunted. I like that they have a unique origin story, unlike in many other universes where they mostly just come from hell. Some points and questions I'd love to know more about: - Are the Ghrus considered demons / how are they related to them? - There are several Black Knights (I think 2) in the Smouldering Lake area, were they hired by Wolnir as an army to fight the demons, or do they have other reasons? Was Lorian fighting alongside them? - 4 of them are in the Untended Graves, had they been escorting another Lord of Cinder to linking the Flame, just like with Gwyn? - And one more Black Knight in the Crucifxion Woods. Facing a one way steel door, which leads to Farron Keep and the Ghrus. But maybe he was searching for a more dangerous, Stray Demon. - Which brings me to that fella specifically. He once was the Gatekeeper of Lothric, but probably comes from the Smouldering Lake. This might be a long shot, but he might be connected to Lorians defeat of the Demon Prince. Maybe Lorian somehow subdued/tamed/captured the Stray Demon and forced him to guard Lothric. Brilliant story telling and quality editing, just like your previous videos. I'm eager to see your interpretations to these points, and how they will be touched on in part 2!
Good to see you here again! All of these points I will actually be talking about in the next vid. It might be worth maybe doing a more bite-sized video regarding the Black Knights and their role in the game. That escort theory is interesting, hadn't thought about that. One thing about the Stray Demon that is fascinating which Smoughtown brought up is that a gatekeeper would have to be sentient, right? It would have to know who to let through and who to not let through. Lorian might have had a hand in this. Hard to say. Thank you for your feedback :)
What speaks against the escort theory (leading the new lord to the flame at untended graves) is the fact that Gundyr was supposed to be a lord, but he was too late. That's why the grave is dark and Gundyr is chained in the graves forever. At least that's what I take from the description of the Chain Ring.
I would just like to let you know that I appreciate these videos, I love the dark souls lore, very cool! I don;t know if it was mentioned, but those crabs in the smoldering lake are the most passive crabs I saw in the game, I could run by them with no issues whatsoever.
Does anybody else think they see a blocked pathway behind one of the dead stray demons in the Old king's boss area? Towards the back to me it looks so much like the devs made a tunnel behind one or two so that it looks like if you removed the dead demons somehow you'd open a path to another area. DLC later maybe? I know if you mod the game you can float around. I haven't tried yet to see.
Seems like Alsanna, silent oracle from the Crown of the Ivory king DLC of Ds2 did her job sealing the old chaos/chaos flame well, since it seems to be dying with the demons. What do you think, Mitch? Or perhaps the chaos flame is dying because of some other reason.
+ElishaSkater no it wasn't the chaos flame is linked to the soul of the witch of izlaith the fire that one of the children of manus had in her kingdom is most likely a reminent of the chaos flame but not the chaos flame itself which is the reason why demons are a dieing race because there life force and life blood and how they are born are all destroyed
+ancient catalyst Ah but you must remember in dark souls three you have a chaos flame that was in the Profaned Capital. I believe the Bed of Chaos was nothing more than an arbiter for the flame and, once destroyed, the vestiges of its influence shrunk away to find new suitable places to thrive. According to the onislayer arrows you learn there is or was a race of one eyed demons in the east. It is my belief that the chaos flame was once like a rampant virus, spreading quickly and converting as many as it could before Gwyn divided his massive armies and led a crusade against the demons. And succeeded until reaching Izalith were he faced the greatest concentration of demons along with the massive ceaseless discharge and other greater demons as well as the bed of chaos that resistance became to great. Imagine, an army so great in number and power that it fought and defeated an entire world of dragons. Divided into two parts, one for security, another to fight a scourge. No, I don't think the chaos flame was just in Izalith. An army of such size wouldn't be needed to cleanse just one capital.
I was saddened when I saw all the demon corpses, makes me wish there was someone who sympathized with their plight and fought with them against everyone else that wanted them gone. Sorta like what the Nameless King did allying with dragons.
How do we know the undead curse came in before the catacombs filled? I find it more likely that they through bodies into the catacombs, and the undead curse resurrects that skeletons when Wolnir enters the abyss. For one, because undead won't decay as bodies anymore than they are, they go hollow but they won't lose their skin and flesh. For two, a never ending army of those skeletons should be able to kill that demon.
That crest over the boss battle is almost certainly representative of the bed of chaos, & the black hole reminds me of the darksign but I can't really say what it is supposed to be.
I was pretty sure that it is the Bed of Chaos as well, but it also reminds me of the Spirit Tree, which can be seen on the shield held by the Drakeblood Knights. Food for thought..
My theory is that smoldering lake is actually an old dried up ash lake and the catacombs above are the appropriated catacombs that lead to Nito in Dark Souls 1.
Good job on hitting nearly 3k subs, really love these lore videos, way better than Vatii, (mainly because you go in depth rather than making it all cinematic and begging for patreon).
dude you have a nice voice and a very good mic, things that most lore-video makers lack of, don't worry about the length of a video it's awesome keep up the good work, now excuse me, I have to spread your channel to my souls games playing friends!!!!)))
Thanks very much! I had actually lost my voice the night before recording this so I was worried that I might sound silly, but it's good to know that it still sounded passable :)
I've only just gotten into dark souls and been going through it with a friend these lore videos are helping me understand so much Also a weird question what's the flying creatures that help out a boss towards lothric castle
Loving these videos. The more and more I watch, interestingly, makes me speculate if FromSoft developed their artwork and games in general in an "abstract" style alongside historical/ethnic allusions and references...
See if you can pick up the "Design Works" book for Dark Souls 1. It's packed with awesome concept art and worth a read for anyone interested in the design.
What if the old demon king was the husband of Izalith that got corrupted (like some of the daughters chaos) during the creation of the Chaos Flame, and the "demon prince" that Lorian killed was actually Ceaseless Discharge?
+Mitch L yeah, but what about Ornstein? His boss fight wasn't even possible to skip, while the one for Ceaseless was (ok, it was EXTREMELY hard to skip, but it was STILL possible). Also, it's impressive how many people care about the identity of the mother of Gwyn's children, but no one does for the identity of the father of the daughters of chaos
+Grey Silver In terms of his identity, I have to agree with what Hawkshaw has to say currently, I think he has the best rationale. He believes that Xanthous Jerimiah is the husband and has some good evidence to back it up.
So as far as I look at it, it's something like this: Each of the lord souls had their own inherent power. Gwyn's could stave off the natural state of hollowed existence, Nito's could rule over the newly created concept of dead hollows, Izalith's was some manner of fire creation, and we know the Pygmy's. The problem comes in when the Witch of Izalith attempts to create something like the First Flame that was derived from Gwyn's lord soul, and since her soul was not meant for it the result is a corruption, hence the twisted nature of demons and the Izalith children. Unsure on how demons spawned, but I would say that given what we see with some of them being able to lay eggs they might have been able to reproduce like any normal species, just the results being more twisted demons. Bed of Chaos acts something like the First Flame and its resulting "Light" that perverts the nature of hollows away into something more like natural life that other lifeforms like animals or the dragons have. It constantly kept the world in a flourishing state for the demons, hence there being so many of them in Dark Souls. We kill, or rather destroy the structure, of the Bed of Chaos, leaving the transformed Witch of Izalith bug to lose its twisted lord soul, and no longer keeping the world in that state for demonic existence. What I'd assume happens after that is that demons slowly begin losing the ability to reproduce, something like continually shrinking viable young. Eventually the state of the world weakens enough to where demons start dying without being killed, their bodies not having the energy to sustain themselves without the presence of the Bed of Chaos supporting them. Iffy on whether the particularly strong demons that we see leftover in Dark Souls 3 would have been able to eek out an existence in a greatly weakened state of being, but we kind of cut that short with the rampant slaughter of them regardless. Though it is cool to look at the gradual dying off of the demons as something the same as the curse of undeath, things going back to their natural state. Them being something completely unnatural that shouldn't exist resulting in them just outright dying instead of changing.
I think there is something to be said about "living" in the last living witness to the chaos. was there anything at the time that would be considered undead? Also when the description says they were not meant to be, could it be implying that the demons were not meant to be twisted and malformed?
The undead part is interesting, I'll have to look into that. And yes! I did actually consider the secondary meaning of "be." It could possibly mean that they were not meant to live as long as they did, or something along those lines.
+Mitch L I think not meaning to exist is along the right lines just from the sound of it, but the first thing that actually came to mind for me was they were not meant to be twisted and malformed.
+Mitch L I think not meaning to exist is along the right lines just from the sound of it, but the first thing that actually came to mind for me was they were not meant to be twisted and malformed.
Wow. If The king of demons is last witness to chaos flame does it mean that theory about Velka beeing one of the doughters of chaos is false? But if she was, she has to be dead or she was not a witness to chaos flame and left her sisters before those events
+Mitch L Most of the daughters are dead. The two spider sisters. The two daughters morphed with the bed of chaos. Then Quelanna. Who we find dead on the corpse of her sister. So most of them are very very dead.
With the fact about the chaos bed vestige, you said man would share the same fate as the demons if the first flame went out. This wouldn't be the case, we learn in dark souls 1 that mankind was made from the dark soul therefore would actually get stronger with the fading of the first flame.
don't the two demons in DaS3 seem a little undead compared to the demons is DaS1. even the corpses in the catacombs. their skin is falling off and such. seems relevant.
I know what you mean by their look. I always assumed it was to symbolise that they weren't newly "born" demons. They were the same demons from their initial creation, getting old and becoming extinct after the bed of chaos dies, they were fought against by Gwyns knights, people from Carthus, perhaps the Ghru and others and had the look of being decrepyt are war-torn because of it.
You fight the Demon Prince in the ringed city DLC Maybe Lothric went to the ringed city in search for the princess but couldn't proceed due to midair guarding the path and possibly the angel-like being Also, when you fight the Demon Prince you end up in firelink shrine from the first game Maybe the Demon Prince was too looking for something... Or someone His soul reads... The demons, birthed from a common chaos, share almost everything between them, even the pride of their prince, and his near faded flame So according to the last part " his near faded flame" maybe he was looking for the first flame, maybe he wanted to settle over the flame to stay alive and keep the weak chain of demons going before they all die Anyways great video it was really good, cant wait to see the next one
I never actually killed the demon in the undead settlement. I accidentally killed Siegward instead (thinking his dramatic lift entrance was the start of a boss fight) so I never discovered the extra part of undead settlement meaning cannonocally in my souls universe the demons are not extinct.
I find myself to wait your videos always more after watching one! :) i had some questions on your theory, but while writing them down i noticed they where weak ones xD still how can the demon be still on it's feet if they reached the smouldering lake? also does it mean carthus people where mostly giants? (balista's way too big and surrounded by dead giants bodies) also the only thing "alive" is carthus skeletons around it. i guess im just happy i can share some questions and toughts..:) thanks again for your work ^^ keep it up
To everyone saying why isn't he talking about the demon prince he made this video when the Ringed city dlc wasent out so there you go so understand now?
He wasn't a pimp, he was the head pimp thus becoming a status known as "big pimpin". Haven't you ever heard the Jay Z track "Big Pimpin"? It goes through the required steps a lord must complete to become a "high lord" and finally reach becoming a "Big Pimpin High Lord". That had to be the reason why he's so big, well either that or he's Yhorm the giants father thus a giant as well. My money is on him finding a CD of the Jay Z track due to time being so convoluted.
There was this interesting thread on reddit with a theory that the Deep is to the Chaos flame like what the abyss is to the first flame. Here's the link: www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4mjwbc/lore_the_cycle_of_chaos_the_profaned_flame_and/ I find this quite fascinating and plausible.
alright so i have a theory who the old demon king might be. its is my believe that this demon king might have been salaman the master of pyromancy. once a pupil of quelana. salaman got broken about quelana's death might have used the chaos flame to rule over the race of demons after the events of dark souls 1. ruling with this flame turned him in what is now the old demon king but like any other flame it died and so the race of demons. my believe also is that looking at all the corpses in his boss room that he killed his own kin to feed his own flame until the was nothing left. salaman was also related to the great fireball and that he used this spell most. well it doesnt look like he uses anykind of that spell but he does try. seen by one of his attacks he blows a ball of fire in your face. which my believe is that he doesnt have the power to use the great fireball anymore and is more making a last resort of killing you. let me know what you think about this. again this is my theory. and ey this games lore is one big theory and idd love to share mine too so please let me know :)
It's interesting, but remember that Salaman was just a man and left Izalith 200 years before Dark Souls 1 to basically establish the Great Swamp as a hub for pyromancy. The Old Demon King seems to carry a little bit of the Chaos Flame within him, exploding with it near the end of the boss battle. An interesting theory none-the-less though and I will be talking about Salaman in the upcoming pyromancy video.
+Mitch L wel it's true that he left very early but my believe is that the death of the bed of chaos and the dying of the chaos flame at that point much like that of the chose undead he kept it burning a bit longer changing him and due to also ruling over the demon's. it's my believe that salaman is such a small character in dark souls it might just be the perfect protagonist for this part of the lore. but I won't draw any straight lines. same as that of who rosaria is haha ( I believe rosaria is Gertrude) but more on that later. If u want to know more about my theories. be sure to message me. peace out.
“Demons did not start the fire, it was always burning since the worlds been turning.”- Demon Slayer Billy Joel
*demon piano man
What if the Old Demon king was the last thing keeping the demon race alive. Using his chaos flame spark to constantly create new demons. And the ballista is meant to keep both the Demon king and his children from escaping. While the Sand worm consumes stragglers who manage to avoid the bolts. This would explain why there are so many corpses in the Demon king boss arena. Or he just killed any overly cocky demons. Probably none of this is true but it was an interesting thought that I needed to write down.
The Dianoga damn that’s actually a really god theory
It would explain the gigantic fucking underground ballista that’s there for no god damn reason 😂
@@Mygrandpaspodcast except to impede us and possibly shoot the Carthus Sandworm
@@thetau4866 you can hide behind a rock and cheese the worm with the bastilla
@@filsdemorte that's not a cheese it's the intended way to kill the worm
Also, I might do something on Giants before the Demon Ruins video.
what's interesting is there are demons out there who weren't born of the chaos flame. in the east there are the onislayer, one eyed demons
+Monica Stein The chaos flame touched many lives. Remember at one point Gwyn split his massive armies into two one to fight everything else. One to fight the demons. An army massive enough to take on an entire world of dragons. Split to take on security and the extermination of an infection. This would suggest that the chaos flame touched more than just Izalith. I would think that there was a great number more than there was in just Lordran. Only that Izalith was the center, the core of the infection. Remember that the chaos flame spread and took on vestiges beyond Izalith. It is only now that the last vestige was destroyed in the Profaned Capital is the demon race doomed.
The Darkness maybe the Angels or whoever governs them found powerful souls elsewhere in the world and declared themselves gods just as Gwyn did
What chest piece were you using at the very beginning I need to know
+naked sex guy #485031 it's the Black Hand set I believe.
Born by a accident and unwanted.
Mom why ;_;
They were not unwanted...their mothers were all killed by us in DS1
All demons CHOSE demonhood over being human. Chaos parasite + human\lord\giant = demon.
Watch Hawkshaw's video on the dark souls demon lore. its very compelling.
11:17 never noticed the Millwood symbol over the old demon king, holy shmoly
I'm curious how the Demon Prince ties into this.
Lorian slayed a version of the bat demon bosses in the ringed city dlc. Its simply an awesome trophy with an emblazoned greatsword as proof.
Well, Demon prince is last demon.
This is some kind of tradition or curse.
Sadly, there is nothing more into this.
YeeeeeeeEAaaaah...
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And the "Demon prince" slain by Lorian was not litteral Demon Prince
@@justanotherfool8896 the demon prince was never slain and the original translation says he was defeated but never killed and in his defeat he went into hiding underground
@@theramofbabylon3313 Huh I thought that there were 3 demon princes and lorian killed 1 of them.
The demon prince is the "chosen undead" of the chaos flame. Every once in a while, it reincarnates to rekindle the chaos flame. But every time it failed, being killed by powerful warriors like Lorian. In the dreg heap, 2 demons remain, the last demons in existence. They possess the soul of the demon prince, and once we kill the last of them, the last one standing reincarnates into the Demon Prince. Killing it marks the end of demonkind since we now hold the demon prince soul which we proceed to turn into a curved sword that shoots pyromancies and annoy the living hell outta anyone who tries to fight you.
I'm not entirely sure if you can take the narrative without a grain of salt sometimes. When you brought up the implication about the Demon King being the last living witness to the bed of chaos, it made me think about how you're told that the everlasting dragons are dead in DS1 until you discover that there is still at least one left in the Ash Lake.
Exactly, if the devs do this shit with Pharris in Ds2, I wonder if we can even trust what they are saying as well.
And there is stuff in the environments and mechanics in these games that tells us stuff as well rather than item descriptions. Look at how Gascoigne's wife was on the roof of the building where Gascoigne was. He without question killed her. Or even in the same area, his daughter was killed by a pig. It doesn't say so through item text, but you have to look for it. I think there is so much obvious stuff we have been missing over the years, or it's just too deep to understand.
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I don't know nearly as much about the lore, hence why I'm watching this lol, but those two things caught my attention and I figured it worth mentioning. thanks for taking the time to put these videos together. I love the deep and rich lore of games and learning about it. these videos have taught me a ton and even though I'm just starting DS3 its making it much more immersive.
Quick Question, did anybody ever notice Smoldering Lake has what looks like Arch-Tree's? Those huge pillars going up to the sky like they are holding things up. Do any of you think that perhaps the original Dragons and Arch-Tree's where underground as well?
Mitch: we dont fight a demon prince ourselves.
Me: looks at the ringed city dlc
Me: looks at the date of the video.
I think the hole depicted among the roots in 11:49 depicted the small cavity in which the actual boss was in the Bed of Chaos boss fight. However, it may also suggest the dark sigil: without their flame to sustain them, the demons are like humans, also going hollow, or more appropriately, becoming Unkindled ash.
Definitely think that you are close with this theory.
12:00 the tree's in the kiln. the small taurus demons (just near lost izalith) were just near the kiln in the OG dark souls
Another thing about the Stray Demon, it's that it has the same moves of the one of DSI. It's like it just get corrupted, old and weak, being the last remain of the like the Assylum Demon family. I just feel bad about the demons, the Carthus people just slayed them with no trace..... (Sorry if I had some mistakes, i don't usually speak on English).
Yea I read all of the descriptions during the walkthrough and got sad because we basically killed of the last of all demons
+Mr. Sherm Well, it's the "Age of Men". The Demons are extinct, the Dragons too, there aren't too many Wyverns like in DSI, the Giants a dying race, the Gods are all dead, only the humans are "alright" in DSIII.
Well, as far as i am aware to the lore, there isn't yet an Age of men. Gwyn made sure of that, when he linked the fire.
After the fading of flame though...who knows.
+Konrad Curze Gwyn really did a good job about don't let the fire fade, but maybe it's too late now. If you link the flame in DS3, there isn't a big explosion like in DS1, but you start to burn instead. This could mean that the flame is very weak to burn like it did in DS1, giving us a very shirt Age of Fire.
Mega Charizard X El Lechero Well actually there is another ending in which you let the fire to "perish" and darkness overcomes the world. That is pretty much the end of the age of fire and I think that this ending is considered as canon for the series.
(well they are 2 more endings, but I don't wanna spoil them for you. I am only going to say that one of them is really fucked up, and actually made me feel sick in a way)
Dark souls lore is so fucking awesome
Jeff Emmets its really complex, but the fun comes in discovering its mysteries
I would love to see you do a video on the Demon Prince as well. Demons in Dark Souls are so fascinating, aren't they?
A very intriguing and different look on the Demons, who really seem to be a poor race, misunderstood and hunted.
I like that they have a unique origin story, unlike in many other universes where they mostly just come from hell.
Some points and questions I'd love to know more about:
- Are the Ghrus considered demons / how are they related to them?
- There are several Black Knights (I think 2) in the Smouldering Lake area, were they hired by Wolnir as an army to fight the demons, or do they have other reasons? Was Lorian fighting alongside them?
- 4 of them are in the Untended Graves, had they been escorting another Lord of Cinder to linking the Flame, just like with Gwyn?
- And one more Black Knight in the Crucifxion Woods. Facing a one way steel door, which leads to Farron Keep and the Ghrus. But maybe he was searching for a more dangerous, Stray Demon.
- Which brings me to that fella specifically. He once was the Gatekeeper of Lothric, but probably comes from the Smouldering Lake. This might be a long shot, but he might be connected to Lorians defeat of the Demon Prince. Maybe Lorian somehow subdued/tamed/captured the Stray Demon and forced him to guard Lothric.
Brilliant story telling and quality editing, just like your previous videos. I'm eager to see your interpretations to these points, and how they will be touched on in part 2!
Good to see you here again! All of these points I will actually be talking about in the next vid. It might be worth maybe doing a more bite-sized video regarding the Black Knights and their role in the game. That escort theory is interesting, hadn't thought about that.
One thing about the Stray Demon that is fascinating which Smoughtown brought up is that a gatekeeper would have to be sentient, right? It would have to know who to let through and who to not let through. Lorian might have had a hand in this. Hard to say. Thank you for your feedback :)
What speaks against the escort theory (leading the new lord to the flame at untended graves) is the fact that Gundyr was supposed to be a lord, but he was too late. That's why the grave is dark and Gundyr is chained in the graves forever. At least that's what I take from the description of the Chain Ring.
I would just like to let you know that I appreciate these videos, I love the dark souls lore, very cool! I don;t know if it was mentioned, but those crabs in the smoldering lake are the most passive crabs I saw in the game, I could run by them with no issues whatsoever.
Thanks for mentioning it! Yeah, the crabs are an interesting point. I'll have to think more about what they could be about.
Does anybody else think they see a blocked pathway behind one of the dead stray demons in the Old king's boss area? Towards the back to me it looks so much like the devs made a tunnel behind one or two so that it looks like if you removed the dead demons somehow you'd open a path to another area. DLC later maybe? I know if you mod the game you can float around. I haven't tried yet to see.
do it and put the video on your channel i will see it.
I really enjoy your videos. They really are good at explaining the lore :D
Thank you! Love your name as well.
Jon Snow is now playing Dota 2...
Seems like Alsanna, silent oracle from the Crown of the Ivory king DLC of Ds2 did her job sealing the old chaos/chaos flame well, since it seems to be dying with the demons. What do you think, Mitch? Or perhaps the chaos flame is dying because of some other reason.
the chaos flame died when the chosen undead slayed the bed of chaos
+ancient catalyst No it didn't, the chaos flame was still around in dark souls II. It was just contained by Alsanna, a daughter of Manus.
+ElishaSkater no it wasn't the chaos flame is linked to the soul of the witch of izlaith the fire that one of the children of manus had in her kingdom is most likely a reminent of the chaos flame but not the chaos flame itself which is the reason why demons are a dieing race because there life force and life blood and how they are born are all destroyed
+ancient catalyst Ah but you must remember in dark souls three you have a chaos flame that was in the Profaned Capital. I believe the Bed of Chaos was nothing more than an arbiter for the flame and, once destroyed, the vestiges of its influence shrunk away to find new suitable places to thrive. According to the onislayer arrows you learn there is or was a race of one eyed demons in the east. It is my belief that the chaos flame was once like a rampant virus, spreading quickly and converting as many as it could before Gwyn divided his massive armies and led a crusade against the demons. And succeeded until reaching Izalith were he faced the greatest concentration of demons along with the massive ceaseless discharge and other greater demons as well as the bed of chaos that resistance became to great. Imagine, an army so great in number and power that it fought and defeated an entire world of dragons. Divided into two parts, one for security, another to fight a scourge. No, I don't think the chaos flame was just in Izalith. An army of such size wouldn't be needed to cleanse just one capital.
That black hole looks like a divot, as if something were removed from the wall.
Dude there are 3. You forgot about the Stray Demon on top of Farron Keep
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Mitch L Your eyes have to open. Keep gaining insight
To be fair. I generally, only kill what attacks me on sigh first, in a Souls game... If I aided demons disappear, it's mostly their own fault...
you have very beautiful dark souls lore videos. great job, keep it up
Thank you!
Mitch L you're welcome
Again, another great and captivating video :)
Subscribed. You're work is very extensive and put together very well. Keep it up!
Thank you and will do!
I was saddened when I saw all the demon corpses, makes me wish there was someone who sympathized with their plight and fought with them against everyone else that wanted them gone. Sorta like what the Nameless King did allying with dragons.
How do we know the undead curse came in before the catacombs filled? I find it more likely that they through bodies into the catacombs, and the undead curse resurrects that skeletons when Wolnir enters the abyss.
For one, because undead won't decay as bodies anymore than they are, they go hollow but they won't lose their skin and flesh. For two, a never ending army of those skeletons should be able to kill that demon.
That crest over the boss battle is almost certainly representative of the bed of chaos, & the black hole reminds me of the darksign but I can't really say what it is supposed to be.
I was pretty sure that it is the Bed of Chaos as well, but it also reminds me of the Spirit Tree, which can be seen on the shield held by the Drakeblood Knights. Food for thought..
I would have guessed the state of demons would be Delaware or something, idk
gr8 video m8
No. Demons don't inhabit a state. They inhabit a district. Just so happens to be the District of Columbia.
Blown away by this performance!!!!!!!!!!!! #VoiceAU #DontGoToSchoolTomorrow
#CarthusLivesMatter
Oh god yes the campfire noise at the start is sooooooo nice oh my
Bit of dark souls ASMR for you
My theory is that smoldering lake is actually an old dried up ash lake and the catacombs above are the appropriated catacombs that lead to Nito in Dark Souls 1.
Fantastic video. Really informative. More please.
Stay tuned! Next one hopefully out within a week or so.
Good job on hitting nearly 3k subs, really love these lore videos, way better than Vatii, (mainly because you go in depth rather than making it all cinematic and begging for patreon).
Thanks my dude! My best vid yet will be out before the weekend so stay tuned ;)
12:17 Good to know that Reapers are now demons from Dark Souls.
That... frieze? Could be the Dark Sign, and the "roots" could be the desiccated flesh of the hollow?
Its just a representation of izalith, an artistic rendition.
subscriber 1546 gained. dude great content. keep it up! carthus and the demon ruins were my favorite part!
The engraving is the great hollow leading down to izalith and the bed of chaos
i'd love for you to remake this video now that we know about the demon prince in the dlc
12:00 clearly a socket for a stone of some sort, I dont think it was intended as a simple hole.
or maybe its just a useless detail who knows
dude you have a nice voice and a very good mic, things that most lore-video makers lack of, don't worry about the length of a video it's awesome keep up the good work, now excuse me, I have to spread your channel to my souls games playing friends!!!!)))
Thanks very much! I had actually lost my voice the night before recording this so I was worried that I might sound silly, but it's good to know that it still sounded passable :)
I've only just gotten into dark souls and been going through it with a friend these lore videos are helping me understand so much
Also a weird question what's the flying creatures that help out a boss towards lothric castle
They are pilgrim butterflies. The hunchback turtle shell mofos(pilgrims of londor) turn into them
awesome video
Cheers!
Loving these videos. The more and more I watch, interestingly, makes me speculate if FromSoft developed their artwork and games in general in an "abstract" style alongside historical/ethnic allusions and references...
See if you can pick up the "Design Works" book for Dark Souls 1. It's packed with awesome concept art and worth a read for anyone interested in the design.
+Mitch L thanks!
Any updates with the Demon Prince now? Would be cool to hear what you have to say =]
interesting how wolnir and lorian both have "leg problems" and their names are almost anagrams of each other...
what about by the swamp? On the bridge
This was so good :) nice job
11:43 Surely that's meant to be the dark sign, isnt it?
Catacombs of Carthus reminds me of a certain area in DS2.
What if the old demon king was the husband of Izalith that got corrupted (like some of the daughters chaos) during the creation of the Chaos Flame, and the "demon prince" that Lorian killed was actually Ceaseless Discharge?
Pretty sure that Ceaseless' death is a canon one performed by the player character. The identity of the husband does interest me though!
+Mitch L yeah, but what about Ornstein? His boss fight wasn't even possible to skip, while the one for Ceaseless was (ok, it was EXTREMELY hard to skip, but it was STILL possible).
Also, it's impressive how many people care about the identity of the mother of Gwyn's children, but no one does for the identity of the father of the daughters of chaos
+Grey Silver In terms of his identity, I have to agree with what Hawkshaw has to say currently, I think he has the best rationale. He believes that Xanthous Jerimiah is the husband and has some good evidence to back it up.
Is there any story behind the giant balls of skeletons that just roll around, until you kill the weird skeleton who doesn't attack you?
Also, why is there the Centipede demon in the edge of the Old Demon King boss area?
+Ville Lepoaho not sure about the big rolling balls, and I think he centipede is just an Easter egg, I've found no evidence to say otherwise.
So as far as I look at it, it's something like this:
Each of the lord souls had their own inherent power. Gwyn's could stave off the natural state of hollowed existence, Nito's could rule over the newly created concept of dead hollows, Izalith's was some manner of fire creation, and we know the Pygmy's. The problem comes in when the Witch of Izalith attempts to create something like the First Flame that was derived from Gwyn's lord soul, and since her soul was not meant for it the result is a corruption, hence the twisted nature of demons and the Izalith children.
Unsure on how demons spawned, but I would say that given what we see with some of them being able to lay eggs they might have been able to reproduce like any normal species, just the results being more twisted demons.
Bed of Chaos acts something like the First Flame and its resulting "Light" that perverts the nature of hollows away into something more like natural life that other lifeforms like animals or the dragons have. It constantly kept the world in a flourishing state for the demons, hence there being so many of them in Dark Souls.
We kill, or rather destroy the structure, of the Bed of Chaos, leaving the transformed Witch of Izalith bug to lose its twisted lord soul, and no longer keeping the world in that state for demonic existence. What I'd assume happens after that is that demons slowly begin losing the ability to reproduce, something like continually shrinking viable young. Eventually the state of the world weakens enough to where demons start dying without being killed, their bodies not having the energy to sustain themselves without the presence of the Bed of Chaos supporting them.
Iffy on whether the particularly strong demons that we see leftover in Dark Souls 3 would have been able to eek out an existence in a greatly weakened state of being, but we kind of cut that short with the rampant slaughter of them regardless.
Though it is cool to look at the gradual dying off of the demons as something the same as the curse of undeath, things going back to their natural state. Them being something completely unnatural that shouldn't exist resulting in them just outright dying instead of changing.
Ok the missed first swing at the demon king was hilariously anticlimatic
Could the "black hole" in Wolnir's boss room be referencing the Dark Sign?
I think there is something to be said about "living" in the last living witness to the chaos. was there anything at the time that would be considered undead? Also when the description says they were not meant to be, could it be implying that the demons were not meant to be twisted and malformed?
The undead part is interesting, I'll have to look into that. And yes! I did actually consider the secondary meaning of "be." It could possibly mean that they were not meant to live as long as they did, or something along those lines.
+Mitch L I think not meaning to exist is along the right lines just from the sound of it, but the first thing that actually came to mind for me was they were not meant to be twisted and malformed.
+Mitch L I think not meaning to exist is along the right lines just from the sound of it, but the first thing that actually came to mind for me was they were not meant to be twisted and malformed.
is there a video talking about what happen to the dragon in ashen lake
All i wanna know is why the fuck a mimic can literally cheese the hell out of the demon in the ruins.. he just roundhouse kicks his ass into oblivion!
When the humans dont have their flame the go hollow, is it possible that the demons do the same and become ash demons?
What is the dinging going on in every video?
wouldn't the black hole engraving symbolize the undead curse?
As in the dark sign? Maybe.
Wow. If The king of demons is last witness to chaos flame does it mean that theory about Velka beeing one of the doughters of chaos is false? But if she was, she has to be dead or she was not a witness to chaos flame and left her sisters before those events
Possibly. However, one of the Daughters of Chaos could be in DSIII, but in undead form, which would technically work.
Goddamn it, FromSoft.
At least we know for sure that 4 of them are dead ;d
+Mitch L Most of the daughters are dead. The two spider sisters. The two daughters morphed with the bed of chaos. Then Quelanna. Who we find dead on the corpse of her sister. So most of them are very very dead.
still cant believe ceaseless discharge exists
With the fact about the chaos bed vestige, you said man would share the same fate as the demons if the first flame went out.
This wouldn't be the case, we learn in dark souls 1 that mankind was made from the dark soul therefore would actually get stronger with the fading of the first flame.
You think it might be worth looking into this again since the last dlc uncovered some more stuff about demons?
don't the two demons in DaS3 seem a little undead compared to the demons is DaS1. even the corpses in the catacombs. their skin is falling off and such. seems relevant.
I know what you mean by their look. I always assumed it was to symbolise that they weren't newly "born" demons. They were the same demons from their initial creation, getting old and becoming extinct after the bed of chaos dies, they were fought against by Gwyns knights, people from Carthus, perhaps the Ghru and others and had the look of being decrepyt are war-torn because of it.
Nice work!
I am 1,236. Great videos, very informative, and I encourage you to keep it up. You have a new fan.
Thanks Robert! I won't let you down.
What if there are demons in elden ring if it ever comes out
You fight the Demon Prince in the ringed city DLC
Maybe Lothric went to the ringed city in search for the princess but couldn't proceed due to midair guarding the path and possibly the angel-like being
Also, when you fight the Demon Prince you end up in firelink shrine from the first game
Maybe the Demon Prince was too looking for something... Or someone
His soul reads...
The demons, birthed from a common chaos, share almost everything between them, even the pride of their prince, and his near faded flame
So according to the last part " his near faded flame" maybe he was looking for the first flame, maybe he wanted to settle over the flame to stay alive and keep the weak chain of demons going before they all die
Anyways great video it was really good, cant wait to see the next one
lol good video but the background sounds made me keep thinking I was getting texts
Wat if
a demon links the flame
lol when he gets hit by the fire and fails his attacks, but good video
I never actually killed the demon in the undead settlement. I accidentally killed Siegward instead (thinking his dramatic lift entrance was the start of a boss fight) so I never discovered the extra part of undead settlement meaning cannonocally in my souls universe the demons are not extinct.
there is Teory that says that demons want to live, and are sentient. That they ave ierachy, tradition and language.
good video bro keep it up
I appreciate it.
Have you done a video on the demon prince
I think the Black Hole is the Undead Curse.
I find myself to wait your videos always more after watching one! :) i had some questions on your theory, but while writing them down i noticed they where weak ones xD still how can the demon be still on it's feet if they reached the smouldering lake? also does it mean carthus people where mostly giants? (balista's way too big and surrounded by dead giants bodies) also the only thing "alive" is carthus skeletons around it. i guess im just happy i can share some questions and toughts..:) thanks again for your work ^^ keep it up
Don't worry, I explore the question of giants in the next video. and thank you!
Oh no! It was us the whole time! WE WERE THE MONSTERS!!!
To everyone saying why isn't he talking about the demon prince he made this video when the Ringed city dlc wasent out so there you go so understand now?
is game of thrones out yet
Per where my ex lives all this time I thought the state of demons was Mississippi.
Why is Wolnir so big?
He wasn't a pimp, he was the head pimp thus becoming a status known as "big pimpin". Haven't you ever heard the Jay Z track "Big Pimpin"? It goes through the required steps a lord must complete to become a "high lord" and finally reach becoming a "Big Pimpin High Lord". That had to be the reason why he's so big, well either that or he's Yhorm the giants father thus a giant as well. My money is on him finding a CD of the Jay Z track due to time being so convoluted.
I read it was the image he had of himself that reflected on his being in the Abyss and I like this theory, but it's just a theory
nice video keep it up
There was this interesting thread on reddit with a theory that the Deep is to the Chaos flame like what the abyss is to the first flame.
Here's the link:
www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4mjwbc/lore_the_cycle_of_chaos_the_profaned_flame_and/
I find this quite fascinating and plausible.
I'll have a read! I'm definitely not as well versed in the Deep at the moment.
Ceaseless discharge is the brother not the son!
alright so i have a theory who the old demon king might be.
its is my believe that this demon king might have been salaman the master of pyromancy.
once a pupil of quelana.
salaman got broken about quelana's death might have used the chaos flame to rule over the race of demons after the events of dark souls 1. ruling with this flame turned him in what is now the old demon king but like any other flame it died and so the race of demons.
my believe also is that looking at all the corpses in his boss room that he killed his own kin to feed his own flame until the was nothing left.
salaman was also related to the great fireball and that he used this spell most.
well it doesnt look like he uses anykind of that spell but he does try.
seen by one of his attacks he blows a ball of fire in your face. which my believe is that he doesnt have the power to use the great fireball anymore and is more making a last resort of killing you.
let me know what you think about this.
again this is my theory. and ey this games lore is one big theory and idd love to share mine too so please let me know :)
It's interesting, but remember that Salaman was just a man and left Izalith 200 years before Dark Souls 1 to basically establish the Great Swamp as a hub for pyromancy. The Old Demon King seems to carry a little bit of the Chaos Flame within him, exploding with it near the end of the boss battle. An interesting theory none-the-less though and I will be talking about Salaman in the upcoming pyromancy video.
+Mitch L wel it's true that he left very early but my believe is that the death of the bed of chaos and the dying of the chaos flame at that point much like that of the chose undead he kept it burning a bit longer changing him and due to also ruling over the demon's.
it's my believe that salaman is such a small character in dark souls it might just be the perfect protagonist for this part of the lore.
but I won't draw any straight lines. same as that of who rosaria is haha ( I believe rosaria is Gertrude) but more on that later. If u want to know more about my theories. be sure to message me. peace out.
hats off
*I sEe onE oF my cReaTionS is hEre.*
The Darkness :)
The edgyness is strong with this one
Try to get me sympathies with Daemons? Never going to happen.
In Dark souls the age of men is the Dark and demon are being of fire so its just a normal enemy for human same for gods
I BET THEY'LL BE REVEALED TO NOT BE EXTINCT
Nice vid.
Hard to stay focused on what you're saying when you're distracted by the cool slow mo and fashion souls, though.
Very interesting video.. I never thought I would sympathize with the Demon King.
I know right, poor guy.
What about the demon prince?
dlc wasn't their at the time