"More more or more less?" "More less?" "He said no" "He said no" Compare that to Whedon's "fun and friendly" version where Bruce brings up her dead fucking lover for no reason just to antagonize her.
But the point of that change was to make him more relatable and start to slowly develop his powers and not go straight into the deep end with turning back time without consequence which also ruins the stakes 😬.
Synder knows that the flash is a badass character and not some dweeb that is allergic to everything and is scared of bugs. The scene where he is protecting the people from the falling debris is so cool
Plus the whole engagement in this fight makes more sense in its themes in snyders version since everyone isn’t fighting “together” which Barry picks up and it’s such an important thing in the story since everything in the Snyder universe is broken like how wonder women is miserable because of the loss of her love ones, cyborg losing everything and living a life is hell and Batman being a war torn broken veteran who’s given up on everything because of the loss of his friends and companions and other hero’s either dying or turning evil along with a shitty world and once they all start working together at the end it really shines that light on everything and everything being all light full and optimistic hence the reason why the ending is all bright and sunny whilst everything prior to that is dark and gloomy
@@ericmontano4345 R rating on the snyder cut is pretty stupid tbh. They show nothing that a PG-13 movie couldn't. It's only rated R because of 2 uses of fuck
Janitor: We have families! Steppenwolf: Then you have weakness! This exchange is another instance of Zack Snyder's use of irony where Steppy is actually talking about himself having a weakness trying to get back to his family. By changing Steppy's line to something empty like "Why does everyone keep telling that" just makes Whedonwolf a shallow character.
This whole fight has been massively improved. To the character moments, interactions, the back and forth with the villian, and the fight itself. Much more engaging
1:52 Seriously, how could they delete that powerful scene? Cyborg shouts like a real son whose father is about to be killed. Warner, what the hell... 🤦♂️
Rumour said that Whedon thought the scene would be too confusing for the audience. Nonsense. It's beautiful & teased a little about what The Flash can do with his powers that he eventually use in the 3rd act, instead of just running really fast & pushing people away.
For me, the biggest difference I like more in _ZSJL_ is the build-up to WW attacking Steppenwolf, with that female vocals building up to the WW theme. Also, the hesitation in Steppenwolf when recognizes she's no typical Amazon.
For the Snyder Cut, after the guy said, “Please, we have families,” I would have had Steppenwolf say, “As do I,” indicating that’s why he’s doing what he’s doing in the first place.
Does Steppenwolf really wanna tell mere people about his family anyway? (Like I get Victor’s dad isn’t mere, but to Steppenwolf he is). I’m not disagreeing with you, just have a doubt to clarify
Joss Whedon's Steppenwolf kills scientists while the justice league do nothing lol, at least in the Snyder Cut I'm pretty sure no scientists were killed, the theatrical cut added absolutely nothing by killing off some scientist
the main objective was to obtain information, it would not make sense to kill them, in the Snyder Cut he is merciful since he knows that they are only "garbage", imagine what darkseid would have done to those scientists, a clear difference in the treatment of human beings. In any case, snyder cut is 100% better than your whedon.
And then lost more by not killing the one scientist that dies in snyders. (Silas) so cyborgs motivation and drive for the end battle is so weak in comparison
3:30 the snydercut is an obvious winner here in terms of overall quality. But for this moment, i like wonder woman's dialogue better (josstice league). Seems more badass when she said "you overestimate yourself" rather than the "i belong to no one" could just be me but that's my opinion.
nah i feel the same way tbh. i really like that snyder made his own cut so that we could see how the film should've been, but i feel like editors should come together and compile different scenes like the one you just said with the snyder cut to make another cool version (just for the fun of it)
for the general criticism that "Snyder doesn't understand comics/superheroes" @4:28 negates just that. Joss-tice league made flash travel at the speed of light while being in contact with people without taking into consideration that only barry has speedforce. A normal human will be reduced to mere atoms if something was such as that happened to anyone IRL or in the comics. However, Snyder neatly addressed this issue.
while i agree that snyder does understand super heroes ..I don't think you understand flash's powers, the speedforce protects people he carries too, or the girl he saved at the start of the movie would be fucking dead
@@FelipeA81 he can still save people, but not transport them with light speed. You can see him save a girl carefully, and he just put her on ground, not transport her to another saver place
@@flaviogarza746 He does, though. Read his interviews about Batman. In fact, his view on Batman is aligned with Nolan. You know, the guy who directed the most successful Batman franchise to date. He understand that these superheroes has to face not just supervillains but also their "inner demons" so they would grow as characters. They may fall along the way, but they'll manage to get back up again. Contrary to the popular belief, Batman did kill. He killed several people for different reasons in comics & in movies by Burton, Schumacher, & Nolan. Difference is, BvS didn't glorify nor justify his killing. Everybody in the movie hated it when Batman started to kill or just let his enemies die. Not just criminals were afraid of him, the innocent citizens too. Snyder showed that it's wrong, but he also showed that it doesn't make sense if Batman never kills even once. Batman bounds to make mistakes/flaws, then he learns from those flaws. It shows that no matter how skillful Batman is, he's still a mortal. That's how the characters can grow, which he did by the end of BvS (he refused to dead-brand Luthor) & he became more hopeful contrary to the beginning of the film where he's faithless & didn't give a shit. Snyder Cut shows how Batman changes from a loner who distrusts anyone but Alfred, to a faithful team player who leads other heroes in the absence of Superman. Snyder, whilst not always perfect in story plotting, is spot on when it comes to character developments. He immersively showed the fall & the rise of a character with their dilemmas & conflicts, thus makes the characters more relatable & able to sympathise with because what they face is similar to what the audience face in daily life to some extend. Snyder treats these fictional characters like living persons. Snyder shows that superheroes can experience self-doubt, life choices, confusion, love, hatred, happiness, sadness. Haven't we all experienced them at some point of our lives?
Because Joss only included Victor due to him being part of the league (if he was some random guy like the other black people in ZSJL, he would have been cut in Josstice League). And he turned Diana into a sex doll just because she’s female
In my opinion, I think the phrase from 3:37 - 3:42 should have been in the Snyder Cut, but that he says it in a more threatening or intimidating way. The phrase fits perfectly into the context of the Snyder Cut.
uhm, I would say it wont suit Steppenwolf's character arc. He is already sorry for being banished and trying hard to prove himself. He wont be speaking proud about him or his ancestors.
I thought of this too. But I think it makes ZS version of Steppenwolf a bit out of character. Steppy in ZSJL seems more of a trained general who doesn't utter words that underestimates his opponents. Didn't portray a bad guy who feels he's always the big badass. He sees WW a threat capable of going one on one with him. Steppy also was being careful not to fail so he doesn't underestimate. At the end where he mentioned about WWs sisters, I think it is a way of mentally attacking her, to put her out of focus and desperation to make her less of an effective fighter against Stepwolf. Just my opinion.
The Whedon cut kept trying to make him like one of marvels villains saying philosophical things and acting all wise and crap, snyder just did it the correct way and made him more intimidating, not really caring about this world until he realized it had the anti life equation on it
one of my favourite improvements of the snyder cut is a 3:49, just a change in music and slight extension of Batman's fight scene changes the feeling from a somewhat insignificant action filler, to a moment where we see this human, among all these super-powered beings, absolutely slap some Parademons around. I feel like with Snyder's version just hits a lot harder and displays Batman's significance to the team alot better than a guy who punches people and tells jokes, and not much else.
Zack Snyder Flash: almost terrified of the big guy because he's not used to fighting Intergalactic alien from a whole different dimension. Which is pretty much understandable meanwhile Josh Whedon interpretation of the Flash: says stupid crap like "I'm afraid of bugs and guns"... okay bug thing I can somewhat understand that it was there just for laughs but it doesn't make sense for him to be afraid of guns you're literally thousands of times faster than a speeding bullet!
two things i like from the whedon cut: - the "save one" speech batman gave barry (however i found the things of him saying his fears pretty corny) - diana's line when steppenwolf says "this one's mine". the one in the snyder cut felt so forced
ua-cam.com/video/7Agol0IFdDc/v-deo.html Kinda like the same thing here when Iron Man fights Captain America with ACDC Music on. Its cool on its own, but not with context
I mean, I love ZSJL, and I consider it part of not just the snyderverse but also the main DCEU timeline like most DC fans, I guess, however while Snyder's steppenwolf is much better than Whedon's, it is 2017 version that's closer to the original Steppenwopf from the comics and animated series. Nonetheless, #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
While yes the 2017 version is closer to the one from the comics and animated series, the Snyder Cut version is more fitting for the Snyderverse because of his brief cameo in the Batman vs Superman ultimate edition
@@dreademperor2094 Me too and now the chances are bigger given what's happening with Discovery and Snyder's recent tweets. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Whedonwolf: Tell me how to destroy the RestoreTheSnyderVerse. Me: I will die before I'll tell you. Whedonwolf: At last, one that doesn't whine, but you will scream. Steppenwolf: HOLD!!! I come to you for the Great Darkness. Whedonwolf: Why do you just keep telling me like that, told me to be afraid? Parademons: "Growling, Shierking, and Roaring at Whedonwolf." Steppenwolf: For that, You have a weakness. Whedonwolf: No!! This cannot be!!! Steppenwolf: I Will Bathe in Your Fear! For Darkseid! Parademons: "Charging and attacking to Whedonwolf." Whedonwolf: No, Leave Me!! I'll Demand You AHhaah I'll kill you I'LL KILL YOU ALL!!! I'll. ah AAHHGGGH NOOO! AHAhAAAAAAAAGGGh!! Steppenwolf: "Roaring Victorious" -RestoreTheSnyderVerse!
It doesn't make sense in any way, Flash is literally the most powerful person in there, he can actually beat Steppenwolf on his own there is no point why he should be afraid of anything he mentioned. Parademons can't smell fear that is Whedon's stupid idea which he doesn't even follow because as you say they should sense him but they don't. This is such a mess compared to the real Justice League
A lot of things in JL 2017 don't make sense. But that's par for the course with Whedon. Watch The Avengers and you'll find a lot of plot holes and things that don't make sense narratively.
3:30 what the hell they removed "i belong to no one", which is a good line regarding feminism, and changed it to "you over-estimate yourself", which shows WW as judgemental and over-confident for no reason it feels counter-productive
I do have to say, Whedon's version did actually have two lines I liked more than Snyder's. Both versions of Steppenwolf's lines after the one guy says "we have families" fit very well, but I honestly think Whedon's is better. Him saying "Why does everyone keep telling me that?" shows exactly how much he doesn't care. Then there's Wonder Woman's line after Steppenwolf says "This one is mine". Her saying "You overestimate yourself" fits much better than "I belong to no one" None of this is anywhere near enough to redeem Whedon's version, obviously, but it's just something I thought was interesting
I'd disagree there. It is even incongruous with the character. Whedon's Steppenwolf spends and entire movie talking about his "mother" and he wouldn't understand why others talk about having families under duress? Not only that but the phrase doesn't help stablish any character trait for the character since it is so generic. I'd say it is even a detached phrase which doesn't flesh out the character nor move the story forward. It is probably more head scratching why the phrase was changed from Snyder's script since "Then you have a weakness!" would have worked just fine in Whedon's version. On the other hand Snyder's Steppenwolf saying "Then you have a weakness!" shows how threatening and determined he is as he is already thinking (and willing) to use any means necessary to force the information out of his victims.
@@patfer1189 I mean it's not like he has their families available at the moment, honestly if you wanted him to be more serious you could just have give no response.
Steppenwolf should care though, that’s what makes him a better character. Also Wonderwoman saying that weak line allows Steppenwolf to hit her back with an insult of his own whereas Steppenwolf can’t say anything good in the Zs version
Huh. For all the faults of the quippy Whedon version, I like that addition of "Just save one" from Batman. I like moments like that, where the edgiest-looking character turns out to be sincere and understanding.
Hot take: I’m not a big fan of the voice filter of Steppenwolf in the Snydercut. It’s intimidating but there’s something a bit special about the Josstice version of it. Maybe it’s because I’m not a big fan of thick gravel voiced characters. Still hate the Josstice league
Steppenwolf: 0:06 "then you'll have weakness!" "& Why does everyone keep telling me like that?" 1:17 "where is it!?" *growl* "useless!" "You there! Where is my mother box!?" 1:37 "At last, one that doesn't whine....but you will scream." "Then you'll die if you don't!" *grunting/growls* "this one is mine." *chuckles* "ah, you were born of her....a creature of chaos!" "Oh, give him time." "Kill them both!" *grunt* *sight* "Amazon, but not like your sisters...Stronger." *growling* *growlers/grunting & groaning* *growl* "Amazon!" *snailer* "hold!" "This one will be mine!" Steppenwolf: "you fool, my lightning axe will slice them down for the blood of your sisters!" *growling/grunting* *growling/grunting* *growling/growls* *grunts* *laughing* *growlers/grunting* *grunting*
I like Justice League, although I was disappointed that multiple scenes in the trailers and television spots were either reshot or excised. Although the musical nods to Superman (1978) and Batman (1989) are appreciated, they do not fit this iteration of the characters; however, Elfman's score managed to sound epic when Steppenwolf invaded Themyscira, and when Diana was telling Bruce about the first time Steppenwolf invaded Earth. However, Tom Holkenborg's score is MUCH BETTER. I do not mind The Flash falling on Wonder Woman's soft bosom, since he was saving her from falling debris in the tunnel and because he saw her as the mother he lost. I also did not mind Cyborg's story arc being deep-sixed, since I am not a comic booke reader. The shots of Miss Prince's backside were also not an issue for me. Superman's computer generated lip was AWFUL. Zack Snyder's Justice League is MUCH BETTER. I also highly recommend Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition, and it must be released on home video. I have a few minor cavillations with the photo play, but I LOVE Zack Snyder's Justice League. Watch Justice League first, and then Zack Snyder's Justice League so you can easily compare the differences betwixt both photo plays. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
Well, I have no intention in watching 2017 version at all, as I do not acknowledge it, i watched some fragments and it's just an awful parody. For me the Snyderverse IS the DCEU. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
@@IsraelNowIsraelForever I get your logic, but I just think that this movie should be forgotten, u know, especially that we still have a chance of SnyderVerse being restored. Watching it doesn't help that, for anyone who's new to the DCEU, the Snuder Cut should be the only Justice League they have in mind. Of course you could say, that how do I know it's that worse if I havent watched it, but like I said, the part of it that I have seen is enough to say this is garbage.
Honestly the only good addition from josstice league is “save one” in my opinion. I feel like it’s good heroing advice from a expert to a rookie. Don’t over think it save someone and you’ll know what to do next.
I like Justice League, but I was disappointed that multiple scenes featured in the trailers and television spots were either reshot or excised. Danny Elfman's score was epic in two scenes, but Junkie XL's music was EVEN MORE EPIC. And I love Elfman's nods to Superman (1978) and Batman (1989), but they do not fit this iteration of Batman and Superman, although I do not mind them in Justice League. I did not mind Cyborg's arc being butchered, since I do not read comic bookes, and the shots of Miss Prince's backside did not bother me (I am heterosexual). The shot of The Flash falling on Wonder Woman's bosom also did not bother me because he was saving her from falling debris in the tunnel. Still, I secretly hoped for a director's cut on home video. When Snyder announced that his version of Justice League was green-lit, I was beyond excited. However, when I read about a black-and-white version of the cut confirmed to be released a week after the regular version, I swore not to watch Zack Snyder's Justice League unless I could view both the colour and black-and-white versions, since the latter is Snyder's preferred version of his cut. Although I had read about Snyder's plans, I somehow managed to eschue reading spoilers and seeing full clips. I bought Justice League on home video last year so I would be able to compare both when I could. I saw Justice League for the third time on home video two days before a family member was able to pay for a subscription to HBO Max so I could watch Zack Snyder's Justice League, Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition, and several other photo plays to make the subscription worth it. The day after Thanksgiving, I was finally able to watch it. I LOVE Zack Snyder's Justice League. It is ABSOLUTELY EPIC. A MASTERPIECE. The aspect ratio and running time are nothing new to me. It is well worth spending four hours and two minutes (or eight hours and four minutes if you also decide to watch Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition). The narrative, thematic, and musical continuity established in Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition, and Wonder Woman has finally been restored. I have seen Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition V times. It is never boring, and always thrilling. A director's vision must always be respected by the studio. Watch Justice League first. Then view Zack Snyder's Justice League to compare both. And then gaze upon Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition to fully immerse yourself in Snyder's vision. Then when you are ready to take the full plunge, watch Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition, Wonder Woman, and Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague #JusticeIsGray #UsUnited
What Josstice Whedon did to Flash here is making me facepalm so hard Also wew. Look at the difference between Victor-Silas Snyder cut and Victor-Silas Joss -_- when theyre not dad and son it looked so stale compared to when they are
Joss steppenwolf is more gleefully evil and honestly has better lines, but the character as whole is significantly more generic. The “Why does everyone keep saying they have a family line is good in showing how merciless and alien steppenwolf is but fails to convey personal goal he would have. Snyder’s lines are far more generic but strengthens steppenwolfs identity as a whole.
You guys remember the event by WB where they invited 6 kids with disabilities to watch JL for free before it premiered? I wonder all of them got to watch Snyder Cut. I hope they did. I really hope they did because their experiences were robbed by stupid WB bosses & Joss Whedon by watching Josstice League.
I hate how Steppenwolf looks like in Josstice league. It's like they wanted him to look like a monster but didn't want to commit so they made him look a little bit human too.
I will be honest, I did not like this at all. Both of them. Especially Batman's, it is so slow! My God! For the record, I like The Death of Louis XIV (2016) and saw it in one sitting so I am able to watch films without action but this was abysmal!
As bad as Josstice League is, I really like Batman's "just save one" line. Some great advice for a young hero, it just shouldn't be said to THE F**KING FLASH!
@@amurtiger7410 Remember i Snyder Cut when Darkside almost bled to death and had to be saved to not die? Compare that to in the Josstice League when Steppenwolf had to be dragged out of the battle because his troops were losing without himself getting hardly damaged?
@@sucky-kun4369 lmao he was Uxas at this time, he was a young Darkseid and he didn't had any power. And the old gods were nerfed in justice league. How the axe of Ares make Darkseid bled and did nothing on steppenwolf? Too simply because Whedon was overpowering steppenwolf, they tried to make him look like a god, but he will never exceed such height.
I forgot how much of pansy Snyderwolf sounded. I hate his "I wanna go home" monologues. You still destroyed countless worlds, jackass. At least Jossticewolf was unapologetic about him being a warlord. "Why does everyone keep telling me that?" Why shouldn't he say such a thing? I do love this exchange: Silas: I'll die before I say anything! Jossticewolf: Finally, one that doesn't whine. Jossticewolf: Ah, you were born of her. A being of chaos! Cyborg: Not how I see it. Jossticewolf with a smirk: Give it time. That's badass. And I love how much a bull he was, charging Wonder Woman where Snyderwolf was cautious. He decimated the Amazonas, why be weary of one more?
steppi destroyed countless worlds because he wanna go home, because thats the price for trying to betray DS. did you even watch the movie? and did you miss where he figured WW is a stronger than the rest of the amazon? why shouldnt he be cautious? 🙄
You know what, I'm going to take the piss. I prefer Joss' version, they feel like actual heroes that save and protect people, not a bunch of COD kids trying to rack up the kill count. Not to mention the dialogs are better, and the Flash get to do something more than pushing one bug.
@@zhengyingli And none of that matter cause everything's an ass pull. Let's break it down. He could've just grab all those people and bring them to a safe spot instead of zooming around giving encouragement for people going up stairs, it already established in the retarded extra scene that he can manipulate and move people at high speed without turning them into mush, yet he went and do the stupid debris stunt, if someone could just have him grab all the civilians and move them to a safe spot and avoid the dumb scene altogether, oh wait... The resurrection is a total ass pull, there is no explanation of how he could just use the energy from him running fast to revive Supes, this design in the plot is stupid and there's no way Joss know how to fix it. And lastly the ultimate asspull, the time travel, there is no setup on how he know and can do that. Lucky he turned back just the right time when the more seasoned version of him fucked it, the scene leading up to it is also stupid, he could just bust it in and air out the bugs and keep running all the while but no, he just keep running in circle in range of enemy's fire. Even when Victor told him he need the charge, Barry was still running in circle, not giving it and lead to the world ending. The time reversal itself is literally all style, no substance, it cost him nothing, no time paradox, no drawbacks, test nothing of him and you're suppose to celebrate it? I wish there is a fix where Barry is actually being useful by airing out the bugs and did something actually meaningful like saving a family. Oh yea, Joss did that.
@@Maxer4000 Whedon had them speaking about being afraid of bugs and tall guys with guns while Steppenwolf is killing his victims right on front of them, so heroic his version was...
@@ntrung1609 In JL, her line, tone, and facial expressions are more mature and assertive, Like someone who lived for 5000- years. Snyder replaced that line with something that a feminist teen would say on the internet.
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When Joss Whedon was brought in to add humour but the jokes in the Snyder Cut are funnier.
Flash: "Which one looks better? A or B?"
Aquaman: "Let me see A again."
Exactly. The "I need friends" was already funny, there was no need for adding the cringy brunch line
@@soyartu1499 agreed 🙌🏾
The lasso of truth scene with Aquaman was pretty hilarious ngl.
"More more or more less?"
"More less?"
"He said no"
"He said no"
Compare that to Whedon's "fun and friendly" version where Bruce brings up her dead fucking lover for no reason just to antagonize her.
Whedon and WB made a guy that can reverse time be afraid of bugs and guns
Those things have nothing to do with each other.
And obnoxiously tall people
And of course, very tall people
I think it’s fine because I want to see him grow with his powers.
But the point of that change was to make him more relatable and start to slowly develop his powers and not go straight into the deep end with turning back time without consequence which also ruins the stakes 😬.
Synder knows that the flash is a badass character and not some dweeb that is allergic to everything and is scared of bugs. The scene where he is protecting the people from the falling debris is so cool
Plus the whole engagement in this fight makes more sense in its themes in snyders version since everyone isn’t fighting “together” which Barry picks up and it’s such an important thing in the story since everything in the Snyder universe is broken like how wonder women is miserable because of the loss of her love ones, cyborg losing everything and living a life is hell and Batman being a war torn broken veteran who’s given up on everything because of the loss of his friends and companions and other hero’s either dying or turning evil along with a shitty world and once they all start working together at the end it really shines that light on everything and everything being all light full and optimistic hence the reason why the ending is all bright and sunny whilst everything prior to that is dark and gloomy
That part was my favorite tbh, just the camera work and the effects were so cool
Its clear. One’s for kids the other is for adults.
based.
More like.. one is cheesy generic and childish, the other is well crafted and good, saying one is for adults sounds a little on the nose
@@Frank-zw7gn yeah kinda cringe tbh
@@Frank-zw7gn well one is R rated and another one is pg 13
@@ericmontano4345 R rating on the snyder cut is pretty stupid tbh. They show nothing that a PG-13 movie couldn't. It's only rated R because of 2 uses of fuck
Janitor: We have families!
Steppenwolf: Then you have weakness!
This exchange is another instance of Zack Snyder's use of irony where Steppy is actually talking about himself having a weakness trying to get back to his family. By changing Steppy's line to something empty like "Why does everyone keep telling that" just makes Whedonwolf a shallow character.
Maybe Zack referitti WB execs after he lost his daughter
Nice
This gives the villain a whole new background
one version sees family as weakness while their goal is going back to their family VS one version that is generically evil and just want to kill
Can you stop calling him Steppy though it's super cringey
This whole fight has been massively improved. To the character moments, interactions, the back and forth with the villian, and the fight itself. Much more engaging
1:52, by far my favorite difference! That emotion from Cyborg was so good!
Yeah man, No matter how much he hates his father But deep down, he still loves his father.
Whedon turned a good actor into mannequin .
Absolutely
Whedon's one was cringe for me
1:52 Seriously, how could they delete that powerful scene? Cyborg shouts like a real son whose father is about to be killed. Warner, what the hell... 🤦♂️
Don’t blame WB, blame joss Whedon
@@PeanutJr. nah both of them are at fault
that shot of steppenwolf looking back and forth at his axe is samurai af
Reminds me of those fight scenes in movies where two characters both look at each other and the weapon back and forth and then try to take it
6:47 such a creative scene like this was cut , this is unbelievable
Rumour said that Whedon thought the scene would be too confusing for the audience. Nonsense. It's beautiful & teased a little about what The Flash can do with his powers that he eventually use in the 3rd act, instead of just running really fast & pushing people away.
@@P.Whitestrake yeah, its confusing. Because he didnt even get a clue about The Flash
Yep and also hurt my eye for some reason. is it just me?
@@pleumchannelv.2330 you and a few other folks who can't handle fast flashing images I suppose, I love it tho
honestly such a dope scene.
Love how it says "josstice league"
Josstice Lame
Honestly the one line from here I actually liked was him saying “Child, my axe is still slick with the blood of your sisters”
Yes brother, and the "creature of chaos" line that he says to Cyborg
Janitor: we have families!
Steppenwolf: Why does everyone keep telling me that??
By far one of the dumbest lines I've ever heard in a film
That line is fine in isolation, but as the "End of Worlds", it severely undermines him as a legitimate threat.
This line suits someone like Joker or some Suicide Squad villain.
@@danofsteel785 Also the fact that Apokolips recognizes their own family tree. Steppenwolf is aware of being Darkseid’s uncle.
Really? Personally, I've heard much worse.
The line makes Steppenwolf a little reasonable.
For me, the biggest difference I like more in _ZSJL_ is the build-up to WW attacking Steppenwolf, with that female vocals building up to the WW theme. Also, the hesitation in Steppenwolf when recognizes she's no typical Amazon.
For the Snyder Cut, after the guy said, “Please, we have families,” I would have had Steppenwolf say, “As do I,” indicating that’s why he’s doing what he’s doing in the first place.
Does Steppenwolf really wanna tell mere people about his family anyway? (Like I get Victor’s dad isn’t mere, but to Steppenwolf he is).
I’m not disagreeing with you, just have a doubt to clarify
@@jb57551 Fair point.
Joss Whedon's Steppenwolf kills scientists while the justice league do nothing lol, at least in the Snyder Cut I'm pretty sure no scientists were killed, the theatrical cut added absolutely nothing by killing off some scientist
the main objective was to obtain information, it would not make sense to kill them, in the Snyder Cut he is merciful since he knows that they are only "garbage", imagine what darkseid would have done to those scientists, a clear difference in the treatment of human beings. In any case, snyder cut is 100% better than your whedon.
@@leonardoortegamartinez9528 not only that but it makes the jl extremely careless as they just stand and watch as literal ppl get murdered
Joss Steppenwolf killing people and JL keep talking . So trash
And then lost more by not killing the one scientist that dies in snyders. (Silas) so cyborgs motivation and drive for the end battle is so weak in comparison
we can see victor's anger when his father was about to get hurt. whereas in josstice league we only see a cyborg's automatic reaction to threat.
1:55 this scene from snydercut is emotional and powerfull whereas in Whedon cut, he is just testing out his new weopone!!
3:30 the snydercut is an obvious winner here in terms of overall quality. But for this moment, i like wonder woman's dialogue better (josstice league). Seems more badass when she said "you overestimate yourself" rather than the "i belong to no one" could just be me but that's my opinion.
nah i feel the same way tbh. i really like that snyder made his own cut so that we could see how the film should've been, but i feel like editors should come together and compile different scenes like the one you just said with the snyder cut to make another cool version (just for the fun of it)
I don’t agree because it gives room for Steppenwolf to give her a decent jab back.
for the general criticism that "Snyder doesn't understand comics/superheroes" @4:28 negates just that. Joss-tice league made flash travel at the speed of light while being in contact with people without taking into consideration that only barry has speedforce. A normal human will be reduced to mere atoms if something was such as that happened to anyone IRL or in the comics. However, Snyder neatly addressed this issue.
while i agree that snyder does understand super heroes
..I don't think you understand flash's powers, the speedforce protects people he carries too, or the girl he saved at the start of the movie would be fucking dead
@@FelipeA81 eh I disagree, he doesn't understand Superman and Batman but it's entertaining nonetheless.
@@FelipeA81 he can still save people, but not transport them with light speed.
You can see him save a girl carefully, and he just put her on ground, not transport her to another saver place
@@flaviogarza746 He does, though. Read his interviews about Batman. In fact, his view on Batman is aligned with Nolan. You know, the guy who directed the most successful Batman franchise to date.
He understand that these superheroes has to face not just supervillains but also their "inner demons" so they would grow as characters. They may fall along the way, but they'll manage to get back up again.
Contrary to the popular belief, Batman did kill. He killed several people for different reasons in comics & in movies by Burton, Schumacher, & Nolan. Difference is, BvS didn't glorify nor justify his killing. Everybody in the movie hated it when Batman started to kill or just let his enemies die. Not just criminals were afraid of him, the innocent citizens too. Snyder showed that it's wrong, but he also showed that it doesn't make sense if Batman never kills even once. Batman bounds to make mistakes/flaws, then he learns from those flaws. It shows that no matter how skillful Batman is, he's still a mortal. That's how the characters can grow, which he did by the end of BvS (he refused to dead-brand Luthor) & he became more hopeful contrary to the beginning of the film where he's faithless & didn't give a shit. Snyder Cut shows how Batman changes from a loner who distrusts anyone but Alfred, to a faithful team player who leads other heroes in the absence of Superman.
Snyder, whilst not always perfect in story plotting, is spot on when it comes to character developments. He immersively showed the fall & the rise of a character with their dilemmas & conflicts, thus makes the characters more relatable & able to sympathise with because what they face is similar to what the audience face in daily life to some extend. Snyder treats these fictional characters like living persons. Snyder shows that superheroes can experience self-doubt, life choices, confusion, love, hatred, happiness, sadness. Haven't we all experienced them at some point of our lives?
@@FelipeA81 The girl at the start would be dead if he wasn't cautious.
It amazes me that only one or two of Steppenwolf’s lines are the same.
These comparison videos remove all doubt about what a shit show we got in 2017
One difference that stood out to me was Diana and Victor's lines had no emotion in the whedon version.
Because Joss only included Victor due to him being part of the league (if he was some random guy like the other black people in ZSJL, he would have been cut in Josstice League). And he turned Diana into a sex doll just because she’s female
2:34 I like the scene where steppenwolf hesitates at first to pick up his axe
In my opinion, I think the phrase from 3:37 - 3:42 should have been in the Snyder Cut, but that he says it in a more threatening or intimidating way. The phrase fits perfectly into the context of the Snyder Cut.
He says that phrase later on, but in a different way. It's when he asks Wonder Woman why she abandoned her sisters.
uhm, I would say it wont suit Steppenwolf's character arc. He is already sorry for being banished and trying hard to prove himself. He wont be speaking proud about him or his ancestors.
nothing from the whedon cut should've made in the Snyder Cut. Zack Snyder made a vow not to include any of those in his movie.
@@TheCycloneable No he was talking about the Whedon scenes, he still only used what he shot and the scenes that were his that they messed up he used.
I thought of this too. But I think it makes ZS version of Steppenwolf a bit out of character. Steppy in ZSJL seems more of a trained general who doesn't utter words that underestimates his opponents. Didn't portray a bad guy who feels he's always the big badass. He sees WW a threat capable of going one on one with him. Steppy also was being careful not to fail so he doesn't underestimate. At the end where he mentioned about WWs sisters, I think it is a way of mentally attacking her, to put her out of focus and desperation to make her less of an effective fighter against Stepwolf. Just my opinion.
3:37 no joke that was a really good line
The Whedon cut kept trying to make him like one of marvels villains saying philosophical things and acting all wise and crap, snyder just did it the correct way and made him more intimidating, not really caring about this world until he realized it had the anti life equation on it
I like how Stepenwolf just throws the guy against the wall and the spider thing has to get up and crawl all the way back to him again...like wtf bro😂
Steppenwolf glancing to his axe is a kind of tension I havent seen in movies for a very long time.
one of my favourite improvements of the snyder cut is a 3:49, just a change in music and slight extension of Batman's fight scene changes the feeling from a somewhat insignificant action filler, to a moment where we see this human, among all these super-powered beings, absolutely slap some Parademons around. I feel like with Snyder's version just hits a lot harder and displays Batman's significance to the team alot better than a guy who punches people and tells jokes, and not much else.
Zack Snyder Flash: almost terrified of the big guy because he's not used to fighting Intergalactic alien from a whole different dimension. Which is pretty much understandable meanwhile Josh Whedon interpretation of the Flash: says stupid crap like "I'm afraid of bugs and guns"... okay bug thing I can somewhat understand that it was there just for laughs but it doesn't make sense for him to be afraid of guns you're literally thousands of times faster than a speeding bullet!
two things i like from the whedon cut:
- the "save one" speech batman gave barry (however i found the things of him saying his fears pretty corny)
- diana's line when steppenwolf says "this one's mine". the one in the snyder cut felt so forced
save one sounds stupid imo. kinda sounds like "save one, leave the rest". and steppi said "this one will be mine" showing he want a 1 on 1 duel.
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As much better the snyder cut is, some of Whedon's Steppenwolf lines on their own were pretty cool. They just didn't fit in this movie.
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Kinda like the same thing here when Iron Man fights Captain America with ACDC Music on. Its cool on its own, but not with context
I mean, I love ZSJL, and I consider it part of not just the snyderverse but also the main DCEU timeline like most DC fans, I guess, however while Snyder's steppenwolf is much better than Whedon's, it is 2017 version that's closer to the original Steppenwopf from the comics and animated series.
Nonetheless,
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
While yes the 2017 version is closer to the one from the comics and animated series, the Snyder Cut version is more fitting for the Snyderverse because of his brief cameo in the Batman vs Superman ultimate edition
@@dreademperor2094 Yes exactly. ZSJL is canon, 2017 JL makes no sense.
@@emzonik8851 I hope they continue the Snyderverse
@@dreademperor2094 Me too and now the chances are bigger given what's happening with Discovery and Snyder's recent tweets. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
@@emzonik8851 yep
Whedonwolf: Tell me how to destroy the RestoreTheSnyderVerse.
Me: I will die before I'll tell you.
Whedonwolf: At last, one that doesn't whine, but you will scream.
Steppenwolf: HOLD!!! I come to you for the Great Darkness.
Whedonwolf: Why do you just keep telling me like that, told me to be afraid?
Parademons: "Growling, Shierking, and Roaring at Whedonwolf."
Steppenwolf: For that, You have a weakness.
Whedonwolf: No!! This cannot be!!!
Steppenwolf: I Will Bathe in Your Fear! For Darkseid!
Parademons: "Charging and attacking to Whedonwolf."
Whedonwolf: No, Leave Me!! I'll Demand You AHhaah I'll kill you I'LL KILL YOU ALL!!! I'll. ah AAHHGGGH NOOO! AHAhAAAAAAAAGGGh!!
Steppenwolf: "Roaring Victorious"
-RestoreTheSnyderVerse!
flash's fear doesn't make sense, shouldn't the parademons sense he's there since they smell fear...
It doesn't make sense in any way, Flash is literally the most powerful person in there, he can actually beat Steppenwolf on his own there is no point why he should be afraid of anything he mentioned. Parademons can't smell fear that is Whedon's stupid idea which he doesn't even follow because as you say they should sense him but they don't. This is such a mess compared to the real Justice League
A lot of things in JL 2017 don't make sense.
But that's par for the course with Whedon. Watch The Avengers and you'll find a lot of plot holes and things that don't make sense narratively.
Fear and loud frequency..........
I love the brief reprise of Batman's theme written by Elfman as Batman jumps into the Nightcrawler.
I was bummed when the Snyder cut clip ended.
3:30 what the hell
they removed "i belong to no one", which is a good line regarding feminism, and changed it to "you over-estimate yourself", which shows WW as judgemental and over-confident for no reason
it feels counter-productive
Thank you, Zack
Ngl the little scene of Batman mentoring Flash was pretty cool, probably the only good thing about the Josstice League.
I'll never forgive Pitch Meetings for making me realize just how often Wonder Woman's theme plays
This shows how talented Snyder really is too bad he's held back by his own pretentious ideas and WB
I do have to say, Whedon's version did actually have two lines I liked more than Snyder's.
Both versions of Steppenwolf's lines after the one guy says "we have families" fit very well, but I honestly think Whedon's is better. Him saying "Why does everyone keep telling me that?" shows exactly how much he doesn't care.
Then there's Wonder Woman's line after Steppenwolf says "This one is mine". Her saying "You overestimate yourself" fits much better than "I belong to no one"
None of this is anywhere near enough to redeem Whedon's version, obviously, but it's just something I thought was interesting
I'd disagree there. It is even incongruous with the character. Whedon's Steppenwolf spends and entire movie talking about his "mother" and he wouldn't understand why others talk about having families under duress? Not only that but the phrase doesn't help stablish any character trait for the character since it is so generic. I'd say it is even a detached phrase which doesn't flesh out the character nor move the story forward. It is probably more head scratching why the phrase was changed from Snyder's script since "Then you have a weakness!" would have worked just fine in Whedon's version.
On the other hand Snyder's Steppenwolf saying "Then you have a weakness!" shows how threatening and determined he is as he is already thinking (and willing) to use any means necessary to force the information out of his victims.
I give you the wonder woman line that was so badass
@@patfer1189 I mean it's not like he has their families available at the moment, honestly if you wanted him to be more serious you could just have give no response.
Steppenwolf should care though, that’s what makes him a better character.
Also Wonderwoman saying that weak line allows Steppenwolf to hit her back with an insult of his own whereas Steppenwolf can’t say anything good in the Zs version
4:06 When you have a cough
Nice video
Steppenwolf just would not shut up in Josstice League
2:07 Steppenwolf (2017) is good there
I’m going to go rewatch the Snyder cut now
Is it even the same guy playing Steppenwolf
Huh.
For all the faults of the quippy Whedon version, I like that addition of "Just save one" from Batman.
I like moments like that, where the edgiest-looking character turns out to be sincere and understanding.
Hot take: I’m not a big fan of the voice filter of Steppenwolf in the Snydercut. It’s intimidating but there’s something a bit special about the Josstice version of it. Maybe it’s because I’m not a big fan of thick gravel voiced characters.
Still hate the Josstice league
Cyborg looking at his cybernetic arm opening up in Justice League as he sees Steppenwolf threatening his father is fucking cool.
The music belike: "Everytime wonder woman on the screen"
I do like the “save one” other than that though the better version is so obvious!
Какой же СнайдерКат охрененный слов нет!
Este stenpenwolf si parece una amenaza nivel vengadores
6:48 Barry!
Steppenwolf: 0:06 "then you'll have weakness!" "& Why does everyone keep telling me like that?" 1:17 "where is it!?" *growl* "useless!" "You there! Where is my mother box!?" 1:37 "At last, one that doesn't whine....but you will scream." "Then you'll die if you don't!" *grunting/growls* "this one is mine." *chuckles* "ah, you were born of her....a creature of chaos!" "Oh, give him time." "Kill them both!" *grunt* *sight* "Amazon, but not like your sisters...Stronger." *growling* *growlers/grunting & groaning* *growl* "Amazon!" *snailer* "hold!" "This one will be mine!" Steppenwolf: "you fool, my lightning axe will slice them down for the blood of your sisters!" *growling/grunting* *growling/grunting* *growling/growls* *grunts* *laughing* *growlers/grunting* *grunting*
Cyborg: "no!" "Dad!" "& now I've seen it before."
Wonder woman: *growl* *grunting/yells/grunting* "I belong to no one!" *yells/grunting* *grunts/yell*
How I wish they kept this line @3:37 in the Snyder version.
that black dude doesnt age.. looks the exact same as he did in Terminator 2.
I like Justice League, although I was disappointed that multiple scenes in the trailers and television spots were either reshot or excised. Although the musical nods to Superman (1978) and Batman (1989) are appreciated, they do not fit this iteration of the characters; however, Elfman's score managed to sound epic when Steppenwolf invaded Themyscira, and when Diana was telling Bruce about the first time Steppenwolf invaded Earth. However, Tom Holkenborg's score is MUCH BETTER. I do not mind The Flash falling on Wonder Woman's soft bosom, since he was saving her from falling debris in the tunnel and because he saw her as the mother he lost. I also did not mind Cyborg's story arc being deep-sixed, since I am not a comic booke reader. The shots of Miss Prince's backside were also not an issue for me. Superman's computer generated lip was AWFUL. Zack Snyder's Justice League is MUCH BETTER. I also highly recommend Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition, and it must be released on home video. I have a few minor cavillations with the photo play, but I LOVE Zack Snyder's Justice League. Watch Justice League first, and then Zack Snyder's Justice League so you can easily compare the differences betwixt both photo plays.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
Well, I have no intention in watching 2017 version at all, as I do not acknowledge it, i watched some fragments and it's just an awful parody. For me the Snyderverse IS the DCEU.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
@@emzonik8851 watch both so you can have a fully formed opinion.
@@IsraelNowIsraelForever I get your logic, but I just think that this movie should be forgotten, u know, especially that we still have a chance of SnyderVerse being restored. Watching it doesn't help that, for anyone who's new to the DCEU, the Snuder Cut should be the only Justice League they have in mind.
Of course you could say, that how do I know it's that worse if I havent watched it, but like I said, the part of it that I have seen is enough to say this is garbage.
@@emzonik8851 'To Each, His Own.'
I honestly wish they would of kept the save one speech
Technically, the Snyder cut was shot before Joss Whedon got involved.
Honestly the only good addition from josstice league is “save one” in my opinion. I feel like it’s good heroing advice from a expert to a rookie. Don’t over think it save someone and you’ll know what to do next.
Josstice league Steppenwolf really disgusting and silly, i don't believe any hero would scare of him if it's real
I like Justice League, but I was disappointed that multiple scenes featured in the trailers and television spots were either reshot or excised. Danny Elfman's score was epic in two scenes, but Junkie XL's music was EVEN MORE EPIC. And I love Elfman's nods to Superman (1978) and Batman (1989), but they do not fit this iteration of Batman and Superman, although I do not mind them in Justice League. I did not mind Cyborg's arc being butchered, since I do not read comic bookes, and the shots of Miss Prince's backside did not bother me (I am heterosexual). The shot of The Flash falling on Wonder Woman's bosom also did not bother me because he was saving her from falling debris in the tunnel. Still, I secretly hoped for a director's cut on home video. When Snyder announced that his version of Justice League was green-lit, I was beyond excited. However, when I read about a black-and-white version of the cut confirmed to be released a week after the regular version, I swore not to watch Zack Snyder's Justice League unless I could view both the colour and black-and-white versions, since the latter is Snyder's preferred version of his cut.
Although I had read about Snyder's plans, I somehow managed to eschue reading spoilers and seeing full clips. I bought Justice League on home video last year so I would be able to compare both when I could. I saw Justice League for the third time on home video two days before a family member was able to pay for a subscription to HBO Max so I could watch Zack Snyder's Justice League, Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition, and several other photo plays to make the subscription worth it.
The day after Thanksgiving, I was finally able to watch it. I LOVE Zack Snyder's Justice League. It is ABSOLUTELY EPIC. A MASTERPIECE. The aspect ratio and running time are nothing new to me. It is well worth spending four hours and two minutes (or eight hours and four minutes if you also decide to watch Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition). The narrative, thematic, and musical continuity established in Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition, and Wonder Woman has finally been restored.
I have seen Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition V times. It is never boring, and always thrilling. A director's vision must always be respected by the studio.
Watch Justice League first. Then view Zack Snyder's Justice League to compare both. And then gaze upon Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition to fully immerse yourself in Snyder's vision. Then when you are ready to take the full plunge, watch Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition, Wonder Woman, and Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague #JusticeIsGray #UsUnited
What Josstice Whedon did to Flash here is making me facepalm so hard
Also wew. Look at the difference between Victor-Silas Snyder cut and Victor-Silas Joss -_- when theyre not dad and son it looked so stale compared to when they are
Joss steppenwolf is more gleefully evil and honestly has better lines, but the character as whole is significantly more generic. The “Why does everyone keep saying they have a family line is good in showing how merciless and alien steppenwolf is but fails to convey personal goal he would have. Snyder’s lines are far more generic but strengthens steppenwolfs identity as a whole.
Josstice league's steppenwolf is softer than zack version.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
You guys remember the event by WB where they invited 6 kids with disabilities to watch JL for free before it premiered? I wonder all of them got to watch Snyder Cut. I hope they did. I really hope they did because their experiences were robbed by stupid WB bosses & Joss Whedon by watching Josstice League.
Justice league make the flash like stupid, but zynder cut make him looks smart
2:18 ?
I prefer some dialogues in josstice and in snydercut Its really annoying hearing that wonderwoman scream backround music its so stupid
I hate how Steppenwolf looks like in Josstice league. It's like they wanted him to look like a monster but didn't want to commit so they made him look a little bit human too.
Cmon WB
#RestoreTheSnyderverse
I will be honest, I did not like this at all. Both of them. Especially Batman's, it is so slow! My God! For the record, I like The Death of Louis XIV (2016) and saw it in one sitting so I am able to watch films without action but this was abysmal!
As bad as Josstice League is, I really like Batman's "just save one" line. Some great advice for a young hero, it just shouldn't be said to THE F**KING FLASH!
Snudercut es Goood
It's like jewelry and trash comparison
3:31 What a stupid line... Glad Whedon removed it.
even in snydercut..they made batman look weak and slow..
Es un humano si es fuerte pero no tiene el poder de guión de los comics
such a very bad batman
Steppenwolf seems physical stronger in the wheaton cut, even more so than Darkseid
Funniest shit I heard today
What the hell? Steppenwolf in ZSJL was way stronger but still none of them are as strong as Darkseid. The funniest joke I've ever heard
@@amurtiger7410 Remember i Snyder Cut when Darkside almost bled to death and had to be saved to not die? Compare that to in the Josstice League when Steppenwolf had to be dragged out of the battle because his troops were losing without himself getting hardly damaged?
@@sucky-kun4369 lmao he was Uxas at this time, he was a young Darkseid and he didn't had any power. And the old gods were nerfed in justice league. How the axe of Ares make Darkseid bled and did nothing on steppenwolf? Too simply because Whedon was overpowering steppenwolf, they tried to make him look like a god, but he will never exceed such height.
@@sucky-kun4369 if Steppenwolf even had the balls to fight the old gods, he will instantly gets killed.
Neither movie is great in my opinion
I forgot how much of pansy Snyderwolf sounded. I hate his "I wanna go home" monologues. You still destroyed countless worlds, jackass.
At least Jossticewolf was unapologetic about him being a warlord. "Why does everyone keep telling me that?" Why shouldn't he say such a thing?
I do love this exchange:
Silas: I'll die before I say anything!
Jossticewolf: Finally, one that doesn't whine.
Jossticewolf: Ah, you were born of her. A being of chaos!
Cyborg: Not how I see it.
Jossticewolf with a smirk: Give it time.
That's badass. And I love how much a bull he was, charging Wonder Woman where Snyderwolf was cautious. He decimated the Amazonas, why be weary of one more?
steppi destroyed countless worlds because he wanna go home, because thats the price for trying to betray DS. did you even watch the movie? and did you miss where he figured WW is a stronger than the rest of the amazon? why shouldnt he be cautious? 🙄
You know what, I'm going to take the piss. I prefer Joss' version, they feel like actual heroes that save and protect people, not a bunch of COD kids trying to rack up the kill count. Not to mention the dialogs are better, and the Flash get to do something more than pushing one bug.
The Flash protected dozens of people from falling debris, revived Superman and turned back time to save the world - he didn't just push one bug.
@@zhengyingli And none of that matter cause everything's an ass pull. Let's break it down.
He could've just grab all those people and bring them to a safe spot instead of zooming around giving encouragement for people going up stairs, it already established in the retarded extra scene that he can manipulate and move people at high speed without turning them into mush, yet he went and do the stupid debris stunt, if someone could just have him grab all the civilians and move them to a safe spot and avoid the dumb scene altogether, oh wait...
The resurrection is a total ass pull, there is no explanation of how he could just use the energy from him running fast to revive Supes, this design in the plot is stupid and there's no way Joss know how to fix it.
And lastly the ultimate asspull, the time travel, there is no setup on how he know and can do that. Lucky he turned back just the right time when the more seasoned version of him fucked it, the scene leading up to it is also stupid, he could just bust it in and air out the bugs and keep running all the while but no, he just keep running in circle in range of enemy's fire. Even when Victor told him he need the charge, Barry was still running in circle, not giving it and lead to the world ending. The time reversal itself is literally all style, no substance, it cost him nothing, no time paradox, no drawbacks, test nothing of him and you're suppose to celebrate it? I wish there is a fix where Barry is actually being useful by airing out the bugs and did something actually meaningful like saving a family. Oh yea, Joss did that.
@@Maxer4000 Whedon had them speaking about being afraid of bugs and tall guys with guns while Steppenwolf is killing his victims right on front of them, so heroic his version was...
"I belong to no men" God, JL was bad, but it's not as cringe as ZSJL.
No it is true because Wonder Woman dont understand what he mean so that her answer
@@ntrung1609 In JL, her line, tone, and facial expressions are more mature and assertive, Like someone who lived for 5000- years.
Snyder replaced that line with something that a feminist teen would say on the internet.
@@itsmemax23 no she too childrish. She almost killed Batman when he mentioned Steve
Steppenwolf: "you fool, my lightning axe will slice them down for the blood of your sisters!"
The only cringe right here is you, cause she said "I belong to no one" lmfao