The Ninth Gate (1999): Who was The Girl?
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- Who was the mysterious girl with the green eyes? Where did she come from and what explains her unique abilities? This video follows the clues and gives a couple of theories based on repeated viewings and the script.
The Ninth Gate (1999) was co-written, produced, and directed by Roman Polanski and starred Johnny Depp as Dean Corso. The Girl was played by Emmanuelle Seigner. The film is loosely based upon Arturo Pérez-Reverte's 1993 novel The Club Dumas.
Disclaimer: This is an analysis that explores the many concepts of filmmaking for the purposes of study, research, and commentary created under the allowances of "fair use". - Розваги
"Or was she just a student"
Her- floats down the stairs.
This movie is sooooo underrated.
Facts!!!
It really is. I guess it is the slow pace, artistic style and the vagueness (not giving any straight answers; leaving a lot to interpretation) that puts off a lot people. I always enjoyed the occult themes, the detective work and the mystical aspects that could be the work of a devil, a figment of imagination or the mark of insanity,
The Ninth Gate is the epitome of a classic hidden gem by an amazing actor (Johnny Deep) with a solid supporting cast lead by Frank Langella.
Yes it was.
I always get back to it
She’s the guard of the 9th gates (call her demon, devil, angel, etc). She’s the one who gave him the key with the last page in Spain. That’s how he enters at the end. I’ve watch this film more than 20 times.
67 times- no joke
She just worked for balkan
@@hztjij2977 “It’s funny, I thought, YOU were.”
@@mutabore7 yeh she said that
Shes not an angel by any means. I believe she is the demonic demon guardian for Corso, ensuring that he achieve the 9th gate.
From the research I did on this movie as well as the book "Club Dumas" and the theme of "the Devil in Love"
the Girl is a fallen angel.
She was there at the rebellion and forced out. But she and a few others are roaming Earth since then.
Guardian / Gatekeeper of the 9th gate.
I missed it in the movie, what was the Ninth gate meaning exactly?
@@funkblack 9 is a divine number. It's the number of completion.
Couldn't have read the entire novel. It is never stated outright, but she is clearly the devil. Remember the Baroness relating how she met the devil.
@@stefanfrankel8157#TheWhoreOfBabylon 😱 the beast she rode upon, 7 headed?, or, perhaps the first demon #Lilth 😈
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Good point and she was convinced of it.
It's always been interesting to me that Depp's character was, for some reason, her blind spot. She didn't know that his elbow was going to hit her in the nose and didn't think he "had it" in him to kill.
Wrong that was intentional. It was a blood sacrifice. What did she do with that blood after?
@@DukeMundi She was clearly surprised
She says in the car she doesn't know everything
@@destroyermaker She asked "which way?"
and he went "You chose"
and she went in the right direction, towards St. Martin, when he finally said they were lost she stopped right in front of the sign, asking him what Telfer's maiden name (St. Martin) was...
Free will
I think she comes in the form of a dog (hound) in one scene. I think it was a Great Dane.
She also turned into a little girl before the immigration desk when travelling along with Corso from Lisbon to Paris.
@@ichinomiyaichinomiya1519 that was highly creepy.
But old Nick has many forms and many names ...
@@ichinomiyaichinomiya1519 She was also the old twins at the antique bookstore in Spain.
@@greenb1a i mean this movie has soo many little details
@@ichinomiyaichinomiya1519 that little girl was played by the real daughter of Polanski and Seigner, Morgane.
I love how the opening credits show the Nine Gates Corso will quite literally walk through during the movie. He was performing the ritual since the first scene and dint know it, lol
He was performing the ritual of coming back home, finding his lost way. He was Lucifer.
"The Devil in love". In the last engraving the woman points to а big radiant 8-pointed star, which the camera then focuses on - 'The Star of Ishtar', "the queen of heaven" and “the Mother of harlots”, aka Inanna, aka Venus-Aphrodite, or Lucifer himself. She's the Ninth Gate that Corso entered (literally) through their final ritual sex-ride. (btw, Lilith is believed to prefer the on-top position, it's a kinda big deal for her).
Edit. People here keep asking about her socks of different colors. IMO, this is clearly a subtle nod to the old belief that the devil incarnate humans or animals stand out in having eyes of different colors, or androgyny, or some other visible unnatural dichotomy (think of jester's bi-color dress). And her green 'reptilian' eyes could refer to the 'golden' eyes of THE Serpent (Corso was hypnotized by them like a rabbit by the eyes of a snake). In short, unlike the book, where the girl is depicted as some kind of a modest, "low rank" guardian demon, Polanski, in the Hollywood style, made her the Devil himself (as I see it, since you're making a film about summoning the Devil, then you better have the Devil in it.)
But y'all guys miss out, that the real mystery of the story isn't the girl's true identity, which seems pretty clear, but it's Corso himself, as other commenters also have noticed. Polanski, in his promo interview, even "admitted" that he meant to portray the girl as the Devil, cause it's not really a 'spoiler', as it doesn't ruin THE mystery, nor answers the real question. Whether the girl is the Whore of Babylon, or Lilith, or Lucifer, or even all of them at once, give or take, it really isn't the point, as it's irrelevant to the actual moral message of the story (and Polanski's films usually have one). Her identity is a 'secondary' puzzle or the author's false lead, the bait for the audience, as in the end all we get (and need) to know for sure is that she's the embodiment of the Ninth Gate, and that Corso - for some reason - got LCF's direct help in his quest... But why did he, why him? It's Corso, "the runner", who's the biggest puzzle in the film. Maybe it's covered in more detail in the book, though I doubt it, cause it seems to be the key question of the story - why did it have to be Corso? What was it about this supposedly pretty ordinary, pretty cynical, down-to-earth kinda guy that is so “special”, that made the Devil himself (herself) fall in love with him? This question is one of those things that give the film that captivating and mysterious taste, as it leaves us with the 'WTF it was all about?!' feeling, even 20 years after. Cause it's clearly about something, "something" that most of us, me included, seem to be missing out. Maybe the answer lies in the original Jacques Cazotte's "The Devil in Love" book, has anyone read it? Does it answer the question, what made the Devil fall in love with a human? Anyway, while I was writing, this video reached 666 likes; I think I should stop now.
She was shown as angel protecting corso in zhe book
@@brathop4147 an "angel" of the other side, maybe; of the kind that would guide you through a satanic ritual written by LCF. Remember that bloodthirsty, excited grin on her face watching Corso finishing off the black guy on the dungeon steps? And her demonic expressions while riding him, with Hellfire in the background? Those definitely weren’t expressions of G-d's angel.
@@mutabore7 shw like yes both angel and devil
In book
In movie she devil
@@mutabore7 Totally agree with you She was Lucifer himself
@@eltoneagle8136 heh
One of Depp's best performances
True Indeed of Johnny Depp
As I remember the book, she is a fallen angel/demon, that followed Lucifer in the war in heaven. Anyways, in the movie for me it was always very clear, that she is supposed to be the devil - it is said that the book was written in cooperation with the devil, therefor we see her in the 'real' ninth picture and not just one of the devils agents, I believe.
Anyway, mystery is, what makes this movie so awesome.
If she is the devil, why would there be a need to go through the process of the 9th gate, if Satan is already present? For a long time I also thought she was the devil, but the theory of her as the Whore of Babylon seems to make more sense to me now
@@justino8935guess she wants him to really finish the riddle/proof he is fully worthy (and being around before being part of that)- in the end though, we do not even know exactly, what the win really is? Where is he going in the end? Sunny place in hell? Or just 'enlightment'?
And is the 'whore of babylon' not the devil anyways?
Erishkigal, wife of nergal. Equatable with her sister Ishtar/Inanna, Semeriramis/Astarte/Ashterothe, Isis/Hathor/Bast, symbolized by the planet Venus /"Lucifer". She's also the Holy Grail, what all men seek.
She chose someone she felt worthy. Let him drink from her cup.
Many mighty men have fallen to her, she leads them to her house like a lamb being lead to a slaughter, and her house is the bowls of hell. It's in proverbs.
Yes she's in a sense the whore of "Babylon"("gate of heaven").
@@justino8935the final engraving confirms that's she's the whore. Also RP puts his own spin on the book, so not everything is the same.
She was the Mother of Harlots herself. Come on guys, it's pretty straightforward.
Cant be 100% sure, but the girl was probably supposed to be a witch. This is why when we see her for the first time, Balkan is in the background of the shot explaining that “a witch, although cognizant of the laws of god chooses act act as a medium in a pact with the devil.” The timing for that was intentional.
She was the devil
Interesting analysis! I'd add that the car she picks is a Viper (a kind of snake), which can be a call back to the famously evil character in the Bible
Also color red coz she's the Scarlet woman/Babalon who rides the 7-headed beast. scarlet = red
@@bellah33 and the dragon itself is also red, don't forget
@@mutabore7 indeed, the Scarlet beast
@@bellah33 may I ask why did you, like some others, use the name 'Babalon', instead of Babylon, the city's name, as it's originally mentioned in the Bible? As far as I know, this distorted pronunciation, 'Babalon', was coined by Aleister Crowley, so unless people aren't his followers, 'the thelemites', I don't see why they keep using it.
@@mutabore7 Going by the context of the Ninth Gate movie, it just made sense to use the Babalon version, not because we are AC's followers, lol. The movie depicts more of AC/thelema/occult's portrayal of the whore of Babylon. In Revelation, she is portrayed in an apocalyptic manner that will be destroyed by the beast in the end. The movie follows her portrayal as the passage to the stone/pyramid's city as described in AC's Thelema. By her sleeping with the beast, the beast can successfully cross the Abbys to the other side. My knowledge of Thelema is rustic but I hope that makes some sense.
The closest literary analogy to the Ninth Gate is Dante's Divine Comedy. The character Corso is put on a quest to find the book by Balkin who has been seeking communion (union) with Satan for many years and has realized the book is the path to this communion. The girl's chair at Balkin's lecture is off-angle compared to the other participants to portray or convey she and Hell are not "aligned" with Balkin but will use him to get to Corso.
However, the ancient members of the Fallen are not deceived and know Balkin's true objective is power, not union or communion with Satan. This is also true of Ms. Telfer who wants the book to remain the head of her "coven". In Liana Telfer's case, it is enhancement her powers of seduction and sensuality not union with Satan she seeks. Baroness Kessler tells Corso this during his visit to her office/library. Balkin hypocritically accuses Liana Telfer of this as well before he murders her.
The girl is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT which is why throughout the film her hands are covered (mystery), and who like Virgil in the Divine Comedy, leads Corso (Dante) through the levels (gates) of perdition. This is confirmed when it's her face Corso recognizes in the true ninth image; the final "gate".
Corso returns to the book store only to find the "twins" are gone and the real owners of the book store are dismantling it. And as they remove the bookcase the true ninth image falls from the top, flutters down to rest at Corso's feet. The final scene is Corso reaching and entering the Ninth Gate having used the image as his guide.
Corso's Quest For The "Unholy Trinity"
The girl was NOT accidentally hit during the struggle between Corso and Bruno, nothing in the Ninth Gate involving "the girl" happens accidentally. The spilling of "the girl's" blood was necessary so she could mark Corso with three (3) lines; a "baptism" with one of the alternate signs of the unholy trinity.
There are three individuals seeking the Ninth Gate To The Kingdom Of Shadows; Balkin, Telfer and Corso. Only one of them is "genuine"; Corso. Corso discovers and then seeks to find the three (3) original drawing done by Satan for the book. This unholy trinity is is also repeated in their being three (3) copies of the book but only one original. The numbers three (3) and nine (9) are primes, roots, and squares of each other.
what in the actual fuck how do you guys figure this stuff out. Makes so much sense
@@MarvoloSalazar
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Roman Polanski's The Ninth Gate is neo-noir horror and mystery film combined. There are segments of the film consuming public who seek a more cerebral experience requiring multiple viewings, thought and discussion. From my perspective, this is what makes "art" both personal and universal. People can share their individual perceptions, reactions and questions.
This does NOT make the film unapproachable, but it should be known its good thing if you don't understand everything or are confused at the end of the film.
But for me this makes the film a conversation starter and in my experience it also is a great first date experience. Its more than violence, special effects and superficial salacious sex.
"the girl is mystery, babylon the great" : what does it mean?
otherwise your commentary is interesting.
btw: who wants to "communion" with Satan if his universe is made of suffering and pain???
@@andrevaudrin3164
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The Book of Nine Gates To The Kingdom of Shadows which is the central prop in the movie was written to provide a proselyte like Caruso a guide to communion with Satan. Satan's ultimate goal is the overthrow God's plan to redeem humankind from their spiritual heritage of original sin as the descendants of Adam and Eve.
So there are two mutually exclusive and competing plans for the souls of human beings. The climax of this competition is discussed, symbolically and allegorically, in the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible. One of these demons is the Whore of Babylon who is described in Revelations as sitting on the back of a beast and is described as follows;
"Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth". I was using this description.
Sadism and Masochism are human framework based on pain. Why would a metaphysical and spiritual realm dominated by pain and suffering difficult to comprehend.
@@p9a9r21 Ok, then, the character played by E. Seigner is the devil himself if i understand right.
And regarding your last question about sadism and masochism, it is not difficult to comprehend but it is rather difficult to see it as a ultimate quest and goal. As simple as that.
In my opinion the movie was about Corso's journey into enlightenment(the Luciferian kind of enlightenment in this case). He was individualistic in the movie and also a greedy opportunist as seen when he was buying the Don Quixote books for cheap and then resold them for a high profit. The whole thing from the get go for him was about individual pursuit; he wasn't interested in the society. So the journey or all all those sacrifices were the ritual, ending with an orgasm to reach the Luciferian enlightenment.
yes, and movie also makes a big point that you can not 'steal' the solution to the enlightenment, like Balkan wanted. Also, compare The Girl to Luci Liu's character in Cypher
Your comment is most accurate in my opinion as well.
All the characters he meets (his friend who dies, the twins, fargus, the girl) match the illustrations in the book. In a sense they are all taking him through the path to the ninth gate as he collects and compares the engravings. The girl is riding some sort of bull creature which is similar to cerebus or the creature that guards the underworld. She is some sort of keeper or guardian of the ninth gate
Shes riding the dragon/beast like she rides him (corso). And yes, he's represented like a beast
well she was riding him than. and she was the devil in my opinion
@@renepaulitsch5057EXACTLY! Corso is the beast. Meaning man. And she elevates him
@@renepaulitsch5057 I find it hilarious that no one recognises her as the devil. Is it because the entity portrayed is female?
@@AlphonseWeebay probably more likely because everything is vage. So it could also be that she was just a demon. Arent there many other myths like lilith for example? Well satan has many names and he is also often portraid as female at least in movies and maybe books too… he is also told that he was the most beautiful angel. So he could also be lilith himself for example. Either way she was luzifer herself or just a demonic servant or something. There are for sure more people which are more into this topic with much more knowledge who could answer this based on more facts…. so i let it to them to discuss.
I don't think she's the devil. I think she's more like the devils hand or something like that. Like a witch who gave herself to the devil a long time ago.
Lilith
I just love the vibe of the movie it's completely fit into dark era filmmaking it's so excellent plot story acting by actors everything was just so excellent
The 9th Gate an entrance to hell through the Mother of Harlots. She is the Gatekeeper a high ranking Demoness. She Guarded over the guy the whole time because he was the true one to open the gate.
Succubus
Lmao like ghostbusters 😂👏
She is mystery Babylon the mother of all harlots they had sex magic and manifested the mystery Babylon spirit
But why would they want to go there?
@@servantofchristjesus3808 my dyslexic brain read it "that mystery babylon shit"
the devil comes in many different ways! I feel like the moment where her face kept changing at the end was the best example of this!
i like how the video and commenst are super recent. I just watched this on hulu lmao
After watching this movie many many times I think the movie gives a hint about the misterious girl... She appears right in the moment when Balkin speaks "A witch is a person who, though cognizant of the laws of God endeavors to act through the medium of a pact with the devil..."
So my view is that she was a witch that has made a pact with the devil to gain immortality and got assigned the task of being the guardian of that book (and the ninth gate secret). I think she's at Balkin lecture because at that point, Balkin has the book... Later, Corso leaves the book with Bernie, then she appears again to prevent Liana's boyfriend to steal the book.
I have a theory that once Bernie saw her and her super powers, he gets "enchanted" to take his own life... and not only that, he is found dead by Corso in a position just like one of the engravings.
Same for Liana's husband that committed suicide... I think she must have appeared to him at some point and he decides to take his own life.
no way that Bernie's death was a suicide, he was murdered
This film holds a special place in my heart.
You must like the Secret Window as well then.
Dude... Balkan is literally talking about witches as she is introduced...
indeed
Balkan is a witch. She is far more than that, lol.
I always assumed she was the Devil, protecting and guiding her chosen one - Depp - to open the ninth gate.
dude... Depp actually spells Balkan's name in the movie as B A L K A N... how do you still write it Balkin?!
Americans...
Revelations 12:9 "The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the *earth*, and his *angels* with him.
When Corso said, "So you're my guardian angel." She didn't disagree. I suspect that she is a fallen angel. She's stuck wandering the Earth. But now she has Corso to keep her company.
During the movie I felt like she was meant to ne lucifer. And that lucifer had picked Corso as the one to open the gates. But reading the comments, her being Lillith makes sense. She is after all introduced during Balkan's lecture on witches.
The Girl is Corso's Holy Guardian Angel. If she's a Demon, she's more likely a Daimon in the Ancient Greek sense. If the 9th Engraving is anything to go by, she's Our Lady Babalon, for which you'll have to study Crowley. The entire movie is a Gnostic satire of Theistic Satanism, and the reveal at the end is that the Sun is the true source of Illumination.
Moral of the story: you don't have to be a great scholar to bond with the devil, just a saleman who is a little bit crooked.
She's the Gatekeeper - No more. No less. A Demonic Heimdallr, for lack of a better description. She's the one who determines who is "Worthy" of gaining the Keys to the Ninth Gate.
Let's not forget the brothers are in the engravings and appear younger when corso goes back to find the 9th engraving. They are the movers
I have issue with her floating from balcony while only audience witnessed it. There were at least 35 people witnessing all of this
I didn't pick up on her face changing at the end. Just remember she looked weird. I remember not liking the movie the first time with the ending. One of those movies that gets better with multiple viewings.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but she also Marks him with her blood. Symbolizing she has chosen him.
If she is the mother of monsters, then she would be Lillith. She has been roaming Earth since the start of time.
Damn obvious who she is.....can’t be clearer than that. Just look at the ninth gate drawing
Well who? I don't get it.
@@Fnelrbnef Lucifer, I guess. But that could be a trick. Idk
@@charlottbrauchtott I like your answer, all three parts.
@@Fnelrbnef she is Satan
@@williamcrawford6543 Really? The man himself? That is a cool idea. Why she helping him? So he can help him open the gates and bring about the end of all?
Not to forget the similarities to Goethe´s Faust. The Devil (Mephisto) acompanies the scolar Faust, in this case Corso, in his path to wisdom.
Yes, you're right
One thing i would love to know is at the end when he goes back and seems to walk through the gate, what happened to him? Was the girl waiting? was it the true gate of hell? raises a lot of questions. Love the movie though
In my opinion , Girl was Demon and She opened for him Ninth Gate, which would lead him to the place they could spent infinity..
The correct translation of the Latin title of Torchia's book is "OUT of the realm of shadows Nine Gates" or "Nine Gates OUT of the realm of Shadows." Where we live is the realm of shadows. Lucifer is a creature of light and his name even means "light bringer" . Because of the forgery of the last engraving, Balkan was there at night, so his quest failed. Lucifer is associated with the dawn. When Corso went to the castle at dawn, the final gate out of the land of shadow was opened for him into the Realm of Light.
@@TamlornWood how can you tell for sure that Corso returned to the castle at dawn? It seemed like a sunset to me.
@@mutabore7 Lucifer is the morning star. This is all about understanding his mythology. . Looking at the movie, Balkan tried his ritual at night and failed. Corso after finding the correct final engraving went at dawn. With the rising sun behind the castle, the Ninth Gate, the gate lit up and opened for him.
From Wikipedia. In classical mythology
Lucifer (the morning star) represented as a winged child pouring light from a jar. Engraving by G. H. Frezza, 1704
In classical mythology, Lucifer ("light-bringer" in Latin) was the name of the planet Venus, though it was often personified as a male figure bearing a torch. The Greek name for this planet was variously Phosphoros (also meaning "light-bringer") or Heosphoros (meaning "dawn-bringer").[25] Lucifer was said to be "the fabled son of Aurora[26] and Cephalus, and father of Ceyx". He was often presented in poetry as heralding the dawn.[25]
@@TamlornWood Spot on. With this in mind it also makes sense why Balkan, Lliana and the others wanted the books. They wanted to solve the riddles to get into the light - to seek enlightment. It would not have made any sense to go through all that trouble to get into the realm of shadows/darkness.
The Dumas Club book it is based on also hints that Corso literally might no longer be fully human at the end (he no longer casts a shadow), alternatively it could be a metaphor for his newly achieved enlightment.
I think the movie is very interesting. But I believe a lot of people overthink this aspect of the movie.
As far as movie clues go, I believe it points towards her being the Devil. Corso was literally walking through the ritual through the movie, just listen to Balkan reading the "riddle" at the end. Corso did all of these things, all that was left was the last page which she basically handed to him. Obviously he'd trigger the Devil's interest by starting the ritual (unaware), and didn't back down even when faced with mortal danger.
Only question left for me would be; "why help Corso?". The ritual was meant to summon the Devil and open the Ninth Gate; that would perhaps simply mean to finally open the path for the Devil to bring about the Antichrist. She did after all ride him at the end; perhaps he turned into the suitable mate by going through the ritual? But it's all speculation at this point, I fear we'll never know the answers to this movie.
She's Queen Lilith and I didn't over think it at all. The Green eyes, her on top during sex, and she's riding a Dragon just like whore of Babylon. Definitely Queen Lilith.
Not being able to ride Adam and him not sharing the work with her is exactly why she left the Garden. They say green eyes are so rare because she only had a few of Adams children. Than she got with Lucifer and she is the Whore of Babylon.
@@aharonbaalshem you're over thinking it. You never met Lilith, joo
@@aspenflagecamo8654 One director confirmed it's Babalon which is a manifestation of Lilith. Their Demonic Enn's are literally the same besides the names are swopped out. Two I don't need validation from a internet rando. So I personally don't give af if you believe I'm a legit Occultist or not. I'm literally getting ready to work with Lilith Kronyia (Saturn). Lilith is literally my Matron Goddess. And I have a entire community over on FB that can back me up. But as I said doesn't effect me at all if you believe it or not. Start meditating to her Enn, tho she may attack you if she don't like you
@@aharonbaalshem "One Director" ? I think you may be suffering from hilarion-inflation. You're not Annie Besant. Have a cuppa-tia and shutit or my dragon will eat your dragon
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What is obvious is that she's a supernatural entity. What is less obvious is who her "boss" is, but her reaction to Corso killing that guy tends to show her boss is Lucifer. Is she a witch or a demon? I tend to say "demon," cuz how else could she have lived as long as she apparently has? This narrative would also IMHO balance out the idea that the Ceniza brothers were angels. But they all have the same goal: To get Corso through the Ninth Gate.
Love this movie. The mystery in it is captivating.
No real" mystery though. Its all in plain sight. ;)
She was the guardian of the 9th gate and she would not let anyone she disliked pass through the gate. I dont think it matters if she was the devil or a demon (or even an angel). she was working with all sides because she was in love with Corso because he was probably a decendent of her first lover Torchia.
123 times see. One of my favorite film. Only Jonny Depp
same
Another great video on a key topic about this fascinating movie. That being said, I think you're getting carried away with the "hands" theory. The point is that her entire body is hidden, not just the hands. She is in descise and her shoes and socks are the only clue she is up to something. That's her way of keeping a low profile.
One thing I noticed was that the girl looks tired while flying, or even weakened leaning on Corso. It's also the only time we see her sleep. Maybe that is bc of the idea of God and heaven being in the sky. Maybe that's why she likes trains. Also why we only see her float downwardly never up. In fact she had to climb when breaking in places.
Only floats down indeed. Good observation.
Her mention of her love of travel by trains is underestimated, it must have some deeper meaning than it's shown in the film.
@@mutabore7 Trains go through tunnels, it's a symbol for sex, especially when there's two men involved, one is the train, one is the tunnel, it's a code
I'm long aware I misspoke calling Corso's name "Spanish" where it is Italian. I had Spanish on the brain when I was doing the VO. I'm going to make mistakes and this is one of many that will ensue. (Like a certain misspelled word somewhere in the video). I apologize if I angered anyone (and I had).
i've watch "Eyes Wide Shut" this week (one of my favorites) and tonight "Ninth Gate", another favorite! Anyone here knows more titles like those two? I love mistery/suspensful !
Rosemary’s baby, Mulholland Drive, Chinatown also a Roman Polanski film is good. Hellraiser series has a cool hell folkore in the first two movies
1999 was a good year for movies
You might like Angel Heart (1987) with Robert De Niro
In the audio commentary Roman Polanski says quite plainly he intended her to be the Devil. So in the context of the film, mystery solved 🤣
U sure
@@hztjij2977 ... Yes.
@@philbecker4676 in book shes like an angel protecting corso but not rly also devil etc
@@hztjij2977 And in the film she's the devil.
@@philbecker4676 last gravure was something
I suspect that Lucifer has long tired of being cut off from the world. He conspired through intermediaries with Torchia to create a mystical scavenger hunt to create a 9 part key to opening a door to the terrestrial plane. Whether it is a way into hell or a way out is the unasked question, tho the end confirms it is at least the former. The 9 parts, sprinked in 3 places, are quickly scattered and Torchia is immolated by the Church. Over hundreds of years the books descend into legend and the puzzle is dismissed as "mumbo jumbo." Lucifer, disappointed that his keys have descended into unworthy hands, conspires to shepherd a worthy acolyte *Corso" to solve the riddle. His agents on earth, the imp twin Ceniza "brothers," and his green eyed "gatekeeper" help discard the unworthy pretenders and smooth Corso's way to his unholy welcome. One can almost envision him being greeted by Al Pacino.
I thought she was actually the devil in human female form
I always thought the mismatched socks were the same concept as Brad Pitt's character in Meet Joe Black- that maybe this spirit took over some college kid's body, and didn't really understand basic human things like matching clothes, etc. (Or perhaps like the Terminator, and how he looked so odd because it was just a machine, trying to emulate a person)
I watched this film again this evening, it's a great movie! Cults, demons, magic books, very Lovecraftian (but not really cosmic horror). The 'woman' is some sort of witch/demon I guess. I think she is ultimately guiding Depp's character to 'the ninth gate'; indeed she's in the 9th engraving right? So, is she the ninth gate?
Witches aren't demons. 😉
@Trey Stephens No. They are the undead. Just like ghosts aren't demons. Demons have a distinctive energy that makes them who they are. They're aren't necessarily tied down by satanic dominance. Most of them are rogue. They don't have to be obedient or subservient to "Satan."
@Trey Stephens I am a witch. A Druid. I can tell you, that some witches can become demonically possessed, especially if they're into Black magick and they're not a natural witch. If you summon enough demons a few will show up your door. People who use Ouija boards almost always set themselves up for failure.
Apologies for conflating demons and witches. Clearly, they are different. I guess I was suggesting that the woman is done sort of supernatural entity, or entity with supernatural abilities (as shown in several scenes in the film). I think her role in the film is deliberately ambiguous, this isn't Argento, we are left wondering about her intent, actions, purpose.
@Trey Stephens adrenochrome
In the book, The Club Dumas, in a veiled conversation about the Devil, brooding in an empty banquet hall, she speaks of kinfolk angels who followed Lucifer to earth, and are suffering, and they are waiting for God to allow them all back into Heaven.
Yeh its based on that book
She like an angel protecting corso
But up to no good
She's a supernatural being in fully human form, there's nothing random or pointless about her, vampires would be envious, she's The Gate Keeper.
The girl was Devil himself; The whole journey was a quest to see if korso would suceed. She/He chosen him and the fun for her was if he would suceed or not. It was a game for her .
Yes, I’ve always viewed the girl to be Satan as he is a shape shifter and has one thousand names. The entire ordeal was a trial and a game to select one who is worthy, you’re right.
she had sex with corso too
did you notice that when he calls her "Green Eyes" her eyes get more bright green in the next shot?
The focus here is in the film, quite naturally.... but is she a character in the book? What does the book say about her ?The Dumas Club)
I always thought she was the Devil. After all, he has the power to “assume a pleasing shape.” Few shapes are more pleasing than Emmanuel Seigner! As for the ending, two unique thoughts. One: Balkan did not fail because the ninth engraving was a forgery. It was because he wasn’t her “Chosen One.” Corso was! Two: Corso finally gets it when he realizes who the Girl is by looking at the real engraving.
~!!!!SHE IS LILITH!!!!~ >Ave<
First of her kind, Venerable mother, Adams deposed first wife, Queen of Earth and Daughter of thee Creater...one of the ONLY female "FALLEN"/ WATCHERS, as Divine Neutrality, She is neither adversary nor foe of LIGHT! ! So she will remain for AGES... AD INFINITUM ...
-Bonum Iter-
All fiction,, still. Truth is hidden in plain sight. If you knew, you wouldn't have to ask, if you ask you'll never know. Amor Fati.
The girl is the Beast and Corso is the Anti-Christ. He was chosen to be, and she as the beast was tasked with guiding him through this dark journey in which he got baptized in blood and fire ( the killings and the burning castle). And having sex with him was the final act of his dark baptism ( the coming out of the Jordan river ). And only then he was worthy of finding the final page that opened the ninth gate for him( the light as the end represents Satan as he is known in the old texts as the morning star ).
The original novel probably have a lot of hidden messages. As it was told , not all books were meant to be read.
Balkan was such a great character as was Corso. Even the audio in this movie, and the dialog, has something special about it that I can't put my finger on. Polanski himself has said she is the devil (or a representation of the it (DVD commentary))
Why was she wearing two different colored socks when reading the Dale Carnegie book. That is what drew Corsos attention to her from the other room.
That bugged the shit out of me. The color combination has to have some occult symbolism that throws a clue out there... somehow.
@@locustnet22 or perhaps it's an easy, yet "obvious" way to identify her character when she's "masked?" Anotherwords, when she's snubbing the butt outside the window or pulls up on the bike.
As a side note, in the scene in which she's introduced, I didn't see two different colored socks....maybe it's just me but they initially both looked blue, even upon rewatching the scene several times. Please let me know if you revisit the scene and of you see the same!
***I put things in quote because in NO way, shape, or form am I attempting sarcasm or condescension...it's what my husband said to me lol.
@@roxannadrake7186 I dont think I even noticed the socks on the bike, it was kinda expected when she started showing up everywhere like some watcher. It reminded me of the last mission impossible movie, I was positive that the person on the motorcycle, chasing and shooting at Tom Cruise was the girl (his friend) from the beginning, it was her... even though she never had any intent on actual harm. (Only comparing choreographical direction setup) I'm still very lost with the 9th gate, idk if they just want to have the audience to make their own conclusion because shit can go so many directions depending on simplicity that people mistake for much, much deeper meaning when it's not (or just a lot less), or meant for an audience that has actual biblicly accurate and fair occult knowledge. A ton of theories in the comments insist upon themselves deeply. Many with a lot of validity depending your angle.
@@locustnet22 perhaps you might try reading the book...
P.S. lol, with sarcasm I write: Thanks for giving the last Mission Impossible movie away! 😉😁Haven't seen it yet!
Well, in some cultures the dvil is portrayed has having feet of different animals. One goat foot and the other a bird one
Maybe it's not that she is showing her mortality. Maybe it's showing coroso's inate power. He opens the ninth gate after all, despite not being a magical initiate.
I don’t think she was really on his side, she just wanted the best supplicant for her boss.
Balkan gives the definition of a witch when we first meet the girl.
However, she turns up throughout the movie whenever they chant from the book, which may indicate that she's the female side of Satan.
If so, they're so caught up in their egos that they fail to recognize who she is, even try to kill her. Quietly hilarious.
Nope. The Girl was not a demon. She was an Angel. Premonition powers. That's interesting. Maybe she could see the outcome. Better yet.... She didn't want Corso to jail for murder so she stopped him. It was a fantastic movie. The ending was great. Especially when he asked "So that's it?" 😆😆 She says "Not for YOU." Beautiful
I love this think this is Depps best film 🎥
Nah its donnie brasco it's his best performance
@@speigelspike3600 good call dude 👌 its a tough one for me but Donnie brasco is a classic
Tough call. But this is definitely one of my favorite movies.
Brave is different, but Amazing as well!
Yup I see him as Corso never as Depp.
From my perspective, the number 9 is very relevant after corso is having intercourse with the girl, it made me think about the movie "Devil's Advocate" where keanu was pushed into impregnating that demon chick so that antichrist could be born. the 9th gate may represent the 9th month that antichrist will be born.
She is Lucy Fer.
Touche'
Changing faces = multiple head beast
I personally am not a big movie person but i was soo intriguied by the vageness of the plot and the open ending but i do was a little dissapointed with ending of the cult felt rushed
She Might be the last person to open the ninth gate since you become immortal. She may have opened the gate that allowed the devil to help write the book?
Read the novel Template , she is described as Succubus.
But do succubuses push off cigarettes on the street ?
@@Mophonic for complete the plan? correct
It doesn't matter what or who she is. Ambiguity in film and literature is always best. The audience love a mystery and to fill in the blanks with their imagination. It's like the showbiz say "Always leave them wanting more". If they explain everything there will always be a percentage of the audience that will feel let down. Some will disagree with the explanation and others won't mind or even like it, but they then lose that mystery that might make them return to the film.
Is magic as fun to view when you know how it's done?
Green Eyes is the personificaion of the Devil on Earth, or at least his personally-appointed emissary. She is elusive ("what's your name?" "guess"), she is a student and observer of humanity, has a bit of a sense of humor (reading "how to win friends and influence people"), and is also a bit of a trickster (her socks are mismatched, as a jester's would be). We never see her interact with any character in the movie except Dean. Well, okay, except for when she drives off Leana's companion, but even then she does not speak to him.
I like the title mother of dragons. Dragons usually protect thinks like gold and jewels for centuries untill someone worth it comes along.
Here she is clearly the scarlet woman who represents the temptation of , power , sex , riches etc that men have fallen prey to for ages. And yes , they were falling prey to such things from before Babylon to the church. Which is where most interpret her as the scarlet women . I don't like usually the phrase whore of Babylon that may have been a negative term attached by those who were against the ancient goddess cults considered pagan.
I use the term scarlet woman.
Thank you once again for going deeper into green eyes the before. You're amazing with this film , and I can't get enough of it either.
Gren eyes are associated with Lucifer. Plus she's wearing green. Also she has one red sock and one blue sock.
Book of Revelation speaks about Harlot of Babylon (HoB). Not Lilith. As far as I am aware there is no similarity between the two in Christian tradition. In the movie the only time she could be paralleled with the HoB is the last (and long time lost) picture form the book. However, she retains some appearance from the original book by Perez-Reverte. Namely cheap boots, different color socks, travelling by cheap trains. In case you have not read the original novel, Perez-Reverte perfectly and completely explains her appearance, her addition to Corso and the likes of him as well as emotional and casual reasons for their relationship. She is one of the lowest ranking angels, who rebelled against God because she trusted her commander and was expelled from heaven. She is poor and spends her time for learning and getting along with people, who are smart, brave and bond by superior sense of duty, akin to true soldiers. It is really a sad story by strange spiritual union of demon and human, who both lost their chance to redemption in this life. The only difference is that Corso, being human, has a chance at least after the Judgement Day (shown in the book describing his night dream). BTW she can not tell her name because tradition states, that demons become vulnerable to those, who know their name.
Polanski mixed things up in order to make film more intriguing but in my opinion Green Eyes character remains unfinished. The movie became much simpler, than message by Perez-Reverte and more concentrated on occultism. So she became more enigmatic, but also less interesting.
@M 3 As far as I recall there is none in the book. She refused to disclose it due to the reason I stated above.
The Revelations thing is 100% Lilith I just checked my book "Embracing Lilith" before commenting before so I wouldn't be wrong. Lilith is only alligned with herself. I know people that she introduced to Casiel who is not fallen. She is a very complicated Goddess. Yes I am a Qabbalahist and know these energies quite we
I believe she is a gate keeper to the 9th gate or possibly Hell itself. She has probably been guarding the gate for as long as it's been discovered waiting for someone who should enter as "worthy". But I do not know what would be deemed worthy of entering. Caruso isn't exactly a paradigm of good or bad, which makes you question what she is looking for.
She was the Divel herself.
The car Green Eyes drove was a Viper. You can't get a bigger clue than that.
Also I did remember on the back of the DVD cover see the girl backside if you look down to Clearly see the the ninth gate logo on her lower side right back as a tattoo.
I like how they dressed one of the most beautiful women in the world in jeans, sneakers, and army jacket. And she never interacts with any other characters. Everyone but Corso could be seeing someone very different from what he sees...
She clearly has powers of some kind, even though they are not shown until much later , and are very subtle... So subtle that you wouldn't be entirely sure what you had seen, if it was real life...
I about entertained the idea that she is spiritual only seen by Corso. No one else sees her fly and she is mute when meeting the French bakers near Liana's chateau. However, the hotel staff concierge looks at her (although we could have fun with that one). The Girl does steal and drives a car, pushes Liana back, and let's not forget what she did to Bruno.
@@CineG There must be a connection between her army jacket and his army bag. He's wearing throughout the film a French model '35 ammunition bag on his shoulder at most time. No other people in the film wear army surplus clothing.
@@CineG In the hotel when the book was stolen he asked the guys was it her they looked at her and said no it was a different lady so clearly more than Corso could see her
@@CineG bruno?
She did stop the lady when corso went to grab the book towards the end right after she grab the gun then the two was led down the steps by the black guy
The strength of the film is that a variety of interpretations are possible in order to provide a coherent explanation.
All I know is if I was Corso I would ask her out.
I watch this once a week. I made a game when I was younger, it's called Corso. Every time he drinks so do you.
Right before Corso confronts Green Eyes in the lobby, when he's walking down the stairs and into the lobby to yell at the concierge, did you notice all the dopplegangers in the background and in mirrors? Any ideas?
I watched that particular scene again. My take is the mirrors multiply the numbers of guests during a busy time at the lobby. When Corso takes a call in his phone booth, he's suddenly isolated and alone. This accentuates Balkan's power and Corso's lonely circumstance having lost the book.
CineG the first time I saw it I thought it was the same guy in the same suit and they all appeared to be halved in some way, man in booth, man with woman’s arm around him. Also any plans on a video about who killed Bernie? I can’t figure that out. Really enjoyed your videos!
@@beepblorp3723 Bernie was killed by Lucy
@@williamcrawford6543 no, by Telfer's black albino guy, he was standing and smoking by the store's window, overhearing Corso and Bernie talking about stashing the book. 'Lucy' then followed him, but not before putting his cigarette butt out with hеr sneaker.
@@mutabore7 who killed Bernie that albino bodyguard driver guy
Daughter of LCF ofc. Roman Polanski is a genious, this movie is still fresh after 25 years!
She is INNANA ISHTAR she is la 9 Gate
I don't believe she was the Devil, a witch, or Lilith. I think this video gets it right - she's "Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth" more commonly known as "The Whore of Babylon" from Revelation. However, I think they combined some aspects of the 3 beasts of Revelation, which were the dragon (the Devil), the sea beast (the Antichrist), and the scarlet beast (ridden by the Harlot). The scarlet beast was subordiante to the Harlot, so she was essentially the 3rd beast herself. However, it was the sea beast (Antichrist) that "marked the foreheads of his followers" like the girl did to Corso. But, only one of the beasts of Revelation had a rider, and the film made the final reveal in the true etching - she's the Harlot or the Whore of Bablylon.
The Harlot was symbolic of "the great city which reigneth over the kings of the Earth", which is interpreted as civilization or the capitol cities of biblical times, as they were each associatied with particular sins that would lead us to armegeddon. She also represents what various branches of the church get wrong about traditional Christianity. In the film, she has a forgery made (or at least knows about) the final etching, and just like various denominations deviate from the word of God, Balken gets that last important part wrong.
Shes obviously The W Of Babylon.
Great video!!! I loved the movie(one of my all time favorites) and the book. Going to watch the rest of your videos now.
Sure she could be a demon, but equally she could be a angel of judgment sent to guard the Ninth Gate to Heaven. The film allows for both possibilities.
She is the devil.
And you know this how exactly?
@@bronzedragon18
Torchia had risen the devil already.
Who?
Not with the demonic face during the sex scene
Thanks - great info. Be Safe out there folks - Peace & Health to Us All.
Actually, her eyes are more angelic than demonic. She is an immortal guardian like a daemon or angel. Daemons are watchers in ancient (particularly Greek) mythology. They were known to have contact with humans, yes even sexually. Interestingly, seraphim are described as firey immortal beings. They as well as others of the angelic realm can often appear in unnerving form.
@Lamar HOP To answer your question, that depends on the religion. For example, in Judaism and old testament (Greek/Hebrew) the answer would be yes. However in other cultures and beliefs (such as paganism or tribal) that answer may depend on one's chosen path! The word demon originates from the Greek word daemon. Judaism and Christianity demonized (declared evil) many ancient demigods and goddesses of other cultures. For example, Lilith is considered Adam's first wife (Zohar/Alpha bin Sira text) before Eve. Lilith became the consort to the angel of death Samael, demonized by Judaism as the queen of the succubi (daemon). Lilith is revered as a goddess aspect in ancient/pagan lore. Lilith is not mentioned by name in the Bible. However there is a passage in the old testament that describes her characteristics. I can't remember exactly what book but that's according to certain scholars who interpret the ancient texts.
Doesn't make much sense; the movie is obviously based upon satanism which is derivative of christian metaphysics and theology - both in themes and in narrative. She's either a witch or a fallen angel.
@@Dimitrije_Sukovic The practice of Satanism is only mentioned by Leanna Telfer (whom was the Priestess) and Baroness Kessler (the disabled author). The "girl" is a mystery that keeps one guessing. In ancient practices, sexuality (carnal knowledge) was the primary way for a mortal being to reach enlightenment. This explains that erotic scene between Corso and the girl. These ancient pagan practices were labeled Satanic after the first Catholic church was formed around the 11th century.
@@soloharmonicsrobj8246I say the first demon Lilth 💋 as well, as we all know, the devil comes in many forms, so, I believe she is 'Lilth' aka #TheWhoreOfBabylon 🤔 whom is mentioned in biblical text, riding the 7 headed beast 😈
Precisely! I agree with your comment 100%
Everyone needs a little mystery girl in their life
I think she may be Lilith. Which would explain her preference in uh... Position.
Emmanuelle Seigner had very beautiful eyes.
I would go with Lilith. After all, she was on top.
This guy gets it the picture of her riding the Dragon is a dead give away to the Whore of Babylon who is Lilith. Now there is debate that Lilith is Lucifers feminine Manifestation. But from my experience they should be approached as different beings. Lucifer is very loving and Forgiving that is why he is recommend for beginners in the Occult. Lilith can be super feisty and Satan is just pure fucking chaos 😂
Lilith! With if they could have used a red haired actress
Personally it doesn't matter her label. Only thing that matters is she was a guide to bring the one that was worthy to the gate.
Dean Corso is Italian in the movie. Dino Corso
I had "Spanish on the brain" when doing my VO. He is indeed Italian. I'm going to make mistakes.
Dino like dinosaur?!
Corso dino running dinosaur?!