I still think that the mask is just another attempt to scare Bill. To show him that they can enter his house without anyone noticing and even without waking Alice up
Yeah, that's what I got, it was a last warning for him, the first one at the party where they let him go, the second one where they give him an envelope, then Victor's and lastly the mask
Was my initial interpretation as well. And a way to tell him; "We can ruin your marriage and your life if we want, we know your secrets but your wife doesn't. We can enter your house, we can manipulate your wife against you; we control you whenever we want to." That, or, she was part of the cult all along and was the one to give him his final warning - the third, if I remember correctly. And we know these people are obsessed with certain numbers, signs and symbols; 3,6, 7, 9, 13 and 23 being some of the most known numbers they worship for various reasons. "All good things comes in threes" ? Isn't that how the proverb goes?
I believe that the theory of Alice being a member of the cult was revealed to us by Kubrick in the first 10 seconds of the movie…when Alice dropped her dress to reveal she was fully nude and did so in between 2 pillars.
also behind her were two tennis raquettes, ziegler and her possibly played tennis together , after all he refered to his swing and seeing a specialist , i reckon she was sleeping with him.
@@georgerichardson7728 yes! The tennis rackets definitely appear to symbolize sex or even sexual abuse in Kubrick’s films…I think back to the racket and ball on the “Camp Climax” sign in Lolita and the tennis ball that rolls to Danny before he enters room 237 and is next seen all roughed up and sucking his thumb. I’m sure there are other tennis references that I have missed in his other movies too.
If you like a classic movie, i suggest "Cutters way"(1981) John Heard's performance is unbelievable as a bitter Vietnam Vet", also stars Jeff Bridges. @@completesentences2125
The first theory merges well with certain events that take place. Alice’s dream mirroring the “party,” the mask ending up on the bed next to her and her last sentence before the film cuts to black. You’ve just been told about a cult that threatens people to the point of death and your response is to “fuck.” That’s a bit odd. Even the movie cover seems a bit eery. Bill is kissing Alice but Alice is looking away. The movie itself is called “Eyes Wide Shut” but her eyes are the only ones that are open. I really wish we saw the director's cut.
Also, Kubrik's wife made the cover which I personally think contributes to the first theory as it would make sense she gets the personal scoop of his artistic decisions. Not only that but there was apparently other cover concepts by other artists and he still decided to go with that one. But I would like to add I don't think that Alice saying they should fuck in response to her husband acting seemingly irrationally is weird, that's pretty normal in relationships. I think it's just out of character for Kubrick to end a film like that.
the two members at the party that look down at bill are the shop owner and his daughter, it is implied that they knew who it was just from the mask. the only people who know about the mask being sold was the shop owner.
I don’t think so, because I believe the elites know very well, who is supposed to be there, so when they see a new mask, they know it‘s a newbie. Besides Bill came during the ritual while everybody else was already watching, he took all the attention on himself, by joining later.
The movie is about questions, the uncertainty of what is going on under the surface. Everybody has secrets, there’s more than one level of truth, villains are lurking in the shadows.
Bro , that is a brilliant catch and you're the first and only person ive seen point out the guy who may have taken Helena who is a spitting image of the waiter from the party. Great work man.
Yes, Alice is cold, cruel and detached. She's definately a villain, but probably also a victim. In the party scene, she appears to be drugged and mind-controlled, as if being commanded to later trigger Bill into a state of confusion and disbelief. When confronted by Alice, his face evokes multiple expressions: humiliation, sadness, doubt and betrayal to name a few. In that moment, he wonders if his whole life with Alice has been one big lie and that she possibly never loved him. His doubts about her are never really resolved.
I think Alice is the adult version of Alice in wonderland she could have been groomed young and now she use to it even let her leave with two older man and if so that explains why she was Hallucinating following down a rabbit hole in things saying eat me drink me which she was drugged and drunk idk
It was clear to me by the second watch that Helena was clearly being kidnapped at the end - and I hadn’t even noticed yet that those people from the party were at the toy store, that the painting above Helena’s bed says “SEX”, that two actors at the first party are playing Epstein and Maxwell, or the dozens of other clues I’ve noticed since… It must be denial, that people are too disturbed by such things that they don’t want them to be true. Thus, the perfect title: “Eyes Wide Shut”. People don’t see what they aren’t ready to mentally deal with.
It’s somewhat remarkable that EWS becomes more resonant with time. The lid is slowly being lifted off the secret debauched world of the mega-elites. Kubrick’s movies were often about the dangers of being too close to the centers of power and money. In “Barry Lyndon” the gentry are mostly corrupt, lazy drunks who gossip and rumor amongst themselves and position for further influence with the crown. EWS is simply the more modern version. Kubrick correctly portrays these worlds as both seductive and nightmarish. The advice is always seemingly to turn away from the enticingly mysterious doors underground. That world knows its own and they also know you are not among them.
I wonder if he'll end up having the last laugh he is owed. On the one hand, us normies do indeed know more about the degeneracy of the 'best people' than we did before. On the other, it didn't result in any real change. They still have impunity and now can be almost certain it's not under genuine threat despite being more broadly acknowledged. That doesn't bode well for a mass awakening. People enjoy the dream state too damn much. But who knows, maybe one day....
@@mediacrusher Men might have the majority of wealth and power but they have plenty of help from women who buy into or share their world view and profit from it. Easy example being Jeffrey / Ghislaine.
@@thegreatpestilence5143 It’s a good question. Human progress seems to be slow, yet steady. Even with all the awful things that happen today and a feeling of chaos, on the whole the world is actually less barbaric and random than it was 100 years ago. Things have to come to light to be combatted. I think, like many artists, Kubrick struggled with his simultaneous revulsion and attraction to that which he critiqued. But he definitely understood you cannot casually wander into the depraved underground without being badly compromised. So he kept to his estate, did his research, made his movies, and kept himself separate from entrenched power. I think this was smart.
@@robfalgianoWe are talking about SK films, look at Lolita, she does not profit, so to speak, from getting involved with Quilty or anybody else. SK is about examining what some people call toxic masculinity, but it's actually more than that. Look at Strangelove and the role/lack of women in that film. Says volumes.
The film is somewhat autobiographical. Kubrick used his friends as the newspaper vender and master of ceremony. Their apartment is similar to the one Kubrick and his wife had in NY. Many paintings on the walls were made by his wife and stepdaughter. His daughter Vivian Kubrick joined Scientology in 1995 and began to distance herself from her family. The casting of Cruise and Kidman could have been a desperate attempt to bring Vivian back into his life. The daughter wandering off could have symbolized Vivian.
I'm convinced that Alice was a member of the cult. She was ordered to marry Bill and lure him into the cult. She cried when Tom told her about the party because she knew that Helena would be the sacrifice for Bill's loose tongue. He had been warned not to tell anyone, yet there he was, blabbing away to Alice. She watched Helena walk off with the two men in the toy store but said nothing. At least three people from the party were in the store and the store was full of the cult's particular symbolism, so it's obvious to me that the store was a cult hub of some kind. Current example of this, imo: Meghan Markle. She was a member of Soho House, an arm of the World Economic Forum, from her early twenties, even though she wasn't one of the rich or famous. There was no obvious reason why they would recruit her into an exclusive club for the 1%, but they did it. She lured Harry into marriage by pretending to be in psychic communication with his mother, and wore his mother's perfume, and it is said in royal circles, and by Harry, that she's a demon in bed, willing to do anything. Markus Anderson was also recruited by Soho House even though he wasn't rich or famous, and he's Meghan's handler (allegedly). He even lives with M&H periodically.
Black men from all across the world have been calling this type of recruitment/control for decades. But nobody believes them. Katt Williams hinted about this again, recently.
I’ve noticed that the paintings on the walls also have messages. When Bill and Alice are leaving the apartment for the Xmas party there is a painting of a cat with eyes wide open. Even the cat had eyes open but Bill. At the party Bill is upstairs helping Mandy, Victor is explaining the situation and behind him there is a big picture of a pregnant naked woman lying down. Maybe Ziegler’s baby? When Bill wants to introduce the piano man to Alice while they’re dancing she says she has to go to the bathroom 🤨. But Instead she started drinking putting her champagne cup nicely and smoothly on top of the table so the Hungarian guy could grab it or .. wait! was she making a pass at him because she already knew who he was? When Alice was calling Bill to find out at what time he was coming back home? What was that about? Maybe She needed it to make sure Bill was on his way to the castle. Now: when Bill returns home he hides the mask and locks it with a key. How did she find the mask when at the time she was sleeping? Better yet! How did she know it was there?? When red cloak guy at the ceremony hits the floor a couple or times, was he announcing Bill already arrived ? The reason is because upstairs in the balcony Ziegler and his wife were saying hello, or was the rainbow guy and his daughter saying hello to him? At the ceremony in the castle Mandy got the blessing from read cloak guy and she gets up and goes straight to kiss Bill. How did she know that was Bill telling him to leave immediately because he was in danger?. The Hotel clerk works for the cult same as the coffee shop girl telling Bill she knew nothing about Nick. In the beginning everything is good to the point until Mandy saved his butt. After that everyone disappeared: Nick, Mandy, Domino, also there is no issue with the Japanese guys and everything is kool. All a show! The 2 guys get their daughter because Mandy dies and that was their price to collect for them. The movie is full of traces to make your own idea of what really happened in that story.
Helenas role in the movie is underrated and probably fell victim to cuts or story unknown to the viewer. Cruise and kidman (what a name even kid... man) tell he farewell with their body language. She was sold to the cult, maybe she also wasnt bills daughter but only schooled by Alice, a common practice with wealthy traffickers. I also think bill and alice talk about her during their overnighter and they decide to give her away and that the hints alluding to that are either cut or to be reconstructed by the viewer. I dont believe Kubrick included explicit bloody shit in the movie that was cut after his death, hes of the subtle kind, almost asian in art language where the mere hint is direct enough, especially in arranged set pieces where there is no coincidences.
In the 1996 screenplay Bill suggests to Nightingale he can just pay himself in. Nick replies: "They don't care about your money. These are dangerous people."
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I was pretty young when I first saw this film, but remember being struck by one thing: the "Father/daughter" duo of the costume store bear resemblance to what DeNiro and Jodie Foster may have looked like, x-number of years later, if Taxi Driver had ended differently. And I noticed special attention seemed to be drawn to "Gillespie's" (the jazz club) and - even as one who HATES conspiracy theories (esp about the 'elite'), one can't help but wonder if it was a nickname for Ghillane & Epstein
One thing that always looked off the charts was the streets Bill walks. They don't look like real streets, intentionally looking like fake studio streets. Think about that. I even asked to GPT 4.o and the first word that came to mind was the attempt to cause both dream-like escape and isolation.
If you, ahem, pay close attention to some of the more risque shots of Alice at the start of the film and then look carefully at the other women at the masked event, you will see that either she is there or they've casted someone who looks just like her. I'm still not sure this means in terms of the literal plot but it's interesting
I'm open to "dual-appearances" between the risque-party and the outside world. Regarding the literal actress playing the costume-guy-daughter, she wasn't 18 at the time of filming and there would be no way she'd be on that set. Thanks for watching.
@@CineGthey were talking about Alice being at the orgy because the woman he talked to before Amanda came to him the second time WAS Nicole Kidman’s body or her body double
What if the group organizers had known Bill would go and hired women who looked liked her? Just to mess with him. Its a stretch but they seemed like they have that influence.
I definitely think Helena was walking off with the 2 old guys (whi were seen at the first party too)... The servant also appearing at the end there is like he is serving her up maybe ?
I think the waiter at the party/dude in the toy store was probably merely a case of reusing an extra. I've played different extra/space filler roles in the same movie a number of times, usually to make it easier on the casting director. Kubrick gets too much credit sometimes for intentional choices but he may not have even been aware of the guy's repeat presence, if it is the same guy. There is absolutely no indication the 2 older men in the store are "guiding" the girl, or that the girl would even be enticed to, or know to go with them.
I considered it was an example of re-using an extra and was going to voice that. However, I could already hear the counter-argument about everything is deliberate. Though I tried to find other "repeats", I did not. The "waiter" showing up at the last few frames was quite a placement.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good conspiracy theory and find them fun to bandy about with my film friends, but I also know that Kubrick gets off on having motives assigned when there are, sometimes, none to be found. But who knows for sure but the man himself!@@CineG
Kubrick is too intentional. He could have used his assistant who was wearing a mask at the event. In the Shining, the wife and son are being shown around the kitchen. They enter a pantry room. The camera angle changes to the inside. The doors open and they’re standing in it. But the door hinges are now on the opposite side. They close the door and continue on. When Nicholson first arrives at the hotel, he meets a guy in his office. There’s a window behind the man. Later, Nicholson walks past the hallway leading to the office. At the next hallway, he turns left and walks down the hallway. There’s no way the guy’s office could have a window to the outside. The hallway was in the way.
@@aieahi1 Exactly the same in EWS when Bill enters Domino's apartment. There is a Lottery Store right next to her building, there was no way her apartment could exist there.
The kidnappers are the same droogs that sits by the statue at the bottom of the stairway at Ziegler's party. "The most dire consequenses for your family."
Exact!! And they LET the girl go with them (who, by the way, are looking at Christmas gifts... for children?? The teddy bear is a known symbol of pedo*phi*les...). Observe, in that same shot, the look of the girl when she walks away from her parents, and the look, fleeting but clear, of one of the old men just before turning the corner. But the girl is NOT "kidnapped"... she goes with the two old men WITH THE CONSENT of her parents
This is definitely a “Icarus flew too close to the sun” situation bc it was revealed later on that the suits wanted parts of the movie cut out while Stanley Kubrick fought to leave everything jn just how he originally intended, well what do you know he had a "heart attack" and died before its release to the public, so they got exactly what they wanted and removed the scene/scenes🤔 cold world we live in…
@@s6748-z5j It all rests on the belief that the threat will be carried out whether you follow their orders or not, so you might as well expose them to save others in the future. If only this worked, it's been over 4 years since Epstein's murder and we are still yet to see his clients investigated and brought to justice.
those 2 well dressed old dudes in the scene where helena is supposedly kidnapped are actually the old dudes who are sitting around a table in ziegler's christmas party. they can be seen when one of ziegler's butlers calls bill upstairs to see ziegler. 12:56 in the movie.
This may sound strange but what if Alice was a former member of the secret society. As in she had been related to a member (parents) and gone once. Or never gone but knew about her families connection to it. They could have given her the mask to warn them. I know its a stretch. Weird detail, what could the magic circle board game possibly mean if it has one?
i think that as well as alice's lines at the end "not everything is a dream" implies her dream of being surrounded by men and laughing at bill was a real thing that happened at the party, as well as the last lines "theres only one thing we need to do now, fuck" can imply that alice is telling bill hes now accepted into the society and hes welcome to partake with her
also, the two raquettes, one red one black. red symbolises their leader, and in that shot, she is wearing black. she is the black raquette and her real partner (or groomer) is their master. bill is just the ball they play with
You're missing a lot of details regarding Helena abduction theory. First, the two old men are also guests from Ziegler's party. They are seated next to the staircase talking to two women as Bill ascends the stairs to help Mandy. That means that Helena was literally sandwiched between these three men who all happened to be at Zielger's party and who are also at FAO Schwartz with no children. Second, there are all the other scenes of Helena, including showing her with an abstract painting that spells out "sex." And there's the scene where Alice is teaching her how to deal with money in a math problem about two boys. There's also the distinct way in Helena looks back in the final shot and how Alice looks away and never turns back, indicating that Alice knew what was about to happen. Finally, the most compelling evidence is the focus on bears on the last scene. Anybody who has seen The Shining knows that bears mean child abuse in Kubrick's world. Not only is Helena focused on the bears, but one of the two men also touches one of the bears in a suspicious way as he walks past. I think this theoriy is very compelling, personally. The rest are pretty ridiculous, except the dream one.
@@LooseOrangeJuice 🐻s & the baby carriages in the Roman Polanski movie , " Rosemary's baby ". Also check out the Johnny Depp movie , " seventh gate ". It was filmed in france. One the nations the SATANIC Rothschilds family live.
One of the clues about the fate of Helena in the toy shop is the display of dolls. Stacks of Nutcracker barbies (which is the show Helena wanted to see) punctuated by one Marilyn Monroe doll (the ultimate sexual object and victim of SA).
After years of thinking it through, I can't say I reached certain conclusions, but here they are in summary: - Concerning deleted footage: It is something we will never be certain of. If this footage exists, only a very selected group of people would know about it, possibily the two stars and the executives at WB when K screened his final cut for the first time. Kidman and Cruise never again spoke about this film after the obliged promoting at the time, which I found very strange. Not a word, even by mistake, in 20 odd years, I mean you worked for the last film of the greatest director of all time, seems odd. About the content I don't Know, I don't think it goes as long as 20 or so minutes, my best guess is that it could picture something related to pedophilia, without being too graphic (not in K style), simply because in that party every possible sexual perversion is depicted, except that. If the studios would cut something, it would be that, not doubt. It could explain the involvement of Kidman (research her father) and the abduction of Helena, at the end of the movie. About that: I am a strong believer of that possibility. The presence of two men we saw much early at the "light" party of Ziegler and that "butler" at the same time is highly suspicious to me. There are no coincidences in K's movies. Along with the strange look Helena give to his parents, as if she's asking permission to walk away, along with the gentle push Alice is giving her in that direction. Of course Bill is clueless for the entire movie, self-absorbed in repairing damage with his wife, but she knows exactly what is going on. Possibily few seconds were cut in order to made the scene as swift as possibile, I feel the scene is a little too quick for K, but I could be wrong on this. Then the infamous "Fuck" line: To me is not some provocative gimmick by K in order to lighten up the ending, to me it has a clear and more disturbing meaning. Think about it, why does she say to him that they absolutely have to have sex? Seems out of place, but it's not. They have to "fuck" because the price they are paying to the elite in order to not suffer any dire consequences is Helena. The elite claimed Helena, they accepted the deal, probably Alice told the child that when she sees a certain couple of man she has to go with them without question and that explains the strange look she gave to her parents and the gentle push. In order to restart a new life and have a new child of course they have to have sex, to fuck. 'Cause Helena is gone, for their own sake. Maybe Bill doesn't even know this, because the interlocutor for the elite is Alice and she's telling him right in that moment. FInally, about Alice being part of the elite sluts: I do not have a clear feeling about this, but to me it seems that she could have been part of it in the past, maybe even before meeting Bill, but I don't know. Too far-fetched? Maybe, we will never know, definitely K wanted some messages to come across, no doubt about it, maybe more for "them" than for "us". Great work!
You got it exactly right imo, thats also what i was thinking. The cut footage if there is any is probably bill and alice talking about helena, as there are definitely some lines that seem out of context plus the farewell gesture at the toy store, the 2 men, the waiter, it all comes together and alice being a sex slave who trained helena who probably wasnt bills daughter to begin with. In the end nobody could be-cut the film, kubricks subtle hints shine through for the viewer to discover and explore.
I heard the theatrical release is over 30 minutes shorter than the directors cut and that's why so much is not fully explained. Anyone have any more information on the original directors cut?
I think you should elaborate on the missing scenes. There was one recounting of the missing final scene that seemed plausible, but was incredibly sickening, so I have my doubts. On the other hand, it would lend itself to the first two theories of Alice being a villain.
You forgot quite a few fun facts about the movie. Kubrick hired an actor to the sole purpose of being a real journalist, the newspaper article (not necessarily related to the story) by the ‘actor’ shows an interesting real life story. The newspaper shot is very important. Also, the villain is clearly the red cloak because the actor that played the role was convicted of something shady (not YT friendly term) . Both, the red cloak actor and Kubrick knew each other for working together in previous movies. Kidman and Cruise were a well established couple in the industry at the time and they divorced shortly after the release of the movie, that tend to be forgotten over the years. Every attention to these real life details reinforces the context of the movie taking place n real life, what you see is what you get with Kubrick, there’s no jj abrams shenanigans that is left for interpretation. That is not how Kubrick did things.
At 11.17 those 2 old men well dressed men were at Zieglers party. When Ziegler and his wife great alice and bill in the back ground they are sitting at the table towards the right on the bottom of the stairs with 2 other females presumably their wives. I think it symbolises that child trafficking is an issue in elitist cults. I think Alice was in on the cult as the very first scene she takes off her dress in the same fashion as the girls do during the satanic liturgy. Also her dress is different when she is with bill. Implying she was at some other sex party before hand. Her kiss on her index finger which she enthusiastically put on Sandors lips was a sign that she was well up to do the dirty. As long as it was more hidden than in the middle of a party. She made sure it was going to be hush hush. She seems like the type to use and manipulate a good man like bill but be infatuated by men with higher status, power and wealth. Hence her attraction and loyalty to the cult. She took on ideologies that those who are subordinate in status, wealth and power are to be looked down on or to be used for their own means. She put the mask next to him and cleverly said to him that she was there by expressing her 'nightmare' which is similar to what bill experienced earlier that night. Bill needed head space and nurturing from his wife at a very intense and dark point in his life and he needed consoling. The last thing on his mind was arguing about alices dream seems to be too similar to the esoteric occult ritualistic party and HOW the mask got there. She knew he would leave the argument and just accept a big hug. Bill was clearly set up as a form of intimidation so further initiation could happen. When nightingale first told bill about the sex crazed party on the way into the building there is a sign that states 'ALL EXITS WILL BE FINAL' meaning once you go in you never go out. Maybe Alice was groomed from young into the party. Nicole Kidmans dad was convicted for paedophile case in regards to Fiona Barnett. Maybe all the other women at the party were groomed into that cult from young. I think Alice decided that its better for her daughter to be trafficked to the handlers at the end of the movie as a form of compensation for the loss of Mandy instead of an even more dire consequence to them and their family. Its better to have something and know what the deal is than an anxiety inducing, unexpected circumstance. Such as Helena never being seen again. Whereas at least Alice knows that Helena will be a missing child for a fews days until she is 'found again' with a phony story. When the reality was Helena went to a crash course cult grooming session with the 3 people at Ziegler party so she too would follow suit of her mum and become a cult member. At one point Alice teaches Helena a maths question and it was about which man make will make more money implying her materialistic (inverted pentagram,elements controlling the soul as oppose to the soul guiding the elements). I think there was many diamonds in the missing 24 minutes such as military complex owners, high ranking politicians, bankers being at the party and the scenes of how Mandy was sacrificed. Also raunchier orgy scenes. The 3 guys were definitely about to ask Helena (who Alice didn't even look at when Helena looked at her for reassurance when walking away because Alice couldn't reassure her) what Christmas gift would she like to be bought for her. Which is an act of grooming
@@andrewpankiw2144 dawg you cant answer a question with a question, but I'm getting the feeling you're stubborn so to answer yours it wouldn't be because it could just be someone tryna be nice. People do that often for little people.
You left out that the two older men in the final scene were also in the first part of the movie. Obviously she was to be trained in the society, in exchange for Bill's life
1st, 2nd rule of reality based Fight Club? Never talk ab’t FC/ Masons/ Scibots. Cruise got sucked in, Kidman, Katie got out. OrzabaI: “I believe in angels, they move like a secret army.” Lyrics like that are titled “Bullets4Brains.” Written not long after “Eyes Wide Shut” came out. The title of which tells the tale. SK was a chess hustler. Which means…a lot of things including being well prepped for H’wood and partying for hours with your competition and being primed with alcohol/ drugs so you can be controlled/ blackmailed.
Alice is definitely absolutely apart of the society......the scene where T.Cruise and Kidman are kissing in front of the mirror....then screen goes blank. Next morning Cruise arrives at his office. Alice is bored reading newspaper (no hair-makeup done) then Cruise is consulting with patient......Alice is brushing daughter hair (no makeup) ....Cruise is with another patient.....Alice is completely nude....(only wearing black knee high boots) and putting on a BLACK bra...(hair, make-up, and pearl earrings).....back to Cruise working....and Kidman is applying deodorant with PURPLE bra on...with kiddo brushing teeth.....BOOM! Alice is the villain.
@@riqotarentino no no......Alice gets freakiy on the low. The quick shots of N.Kidman getting dress teases the audience that she lives a double life. The different color bra on the same day is the most obvious. Also her wearing the knee high black boots and completely naked is a dead give away. Its quick. You have to pause and rewind to see what Stanley Kubrick was doing.......
Great deconstruction on some popular theories. I wasn't even aware of the one regarding the kidnapper... Hard to prove any theory really but I like your rational approach to weighing each of them. That said, EWS will probably go down as one of the most enigmatic movies of all time. And that speaks a lot of the mysteries & questions that lay within this film.
I love love your channel. I would like you to move on to other films and get more videos on "Alien". I never thought about "Alien" as a masterpiece, but you made me realize the hidden aspects of it that excite my imagination. I wish you a great success. Unfortunately, your videos are rather rare but I can understand that. Your channel doesn't pay off at the moment considering its age and your investment in the work vs the number of subscribers. But I believe one day things will turn to better.
I am thinking about returning to discuss more Alien and its sequels. I’ve delayed because I’m unsure if the demand is there. I will push it up in my queue.
Also when Helena runs off in the direction of those two old men, they are also the same old men seen at the bottom of the staircase at Ziegler’s party. So not only was the waiter from Ziegler’s party at the toy store but ALL THREE of them, the two old men and the waiter, were both at Ziegler’s party and then the toy store. Coincidence? There are none in Kubrick films.
If you watch Traumnovelle (1969) and read the novella you realise that the secret society aspect is only a passing speculation. Kubrick deliberately exaggerated it and moved the action to modern New York to avoid dealing with the Catholic/Jewish tensions prevalent in fin-de-siecle Vienna which are the background to the story and which are obliquely referenced by the masked ball and the narrator's interior monologue in the source novella. The little fat fellow on the left wrote about it.
This is a great video. I’m going with number 3…. All the scenes post Alice’s confession of wanting to have sex with the naval officer seem like a dream like state. The lighting, the cinematography, even the Christmas trees in most scenes never seem quite real. Bill embarks on a dream like trance of a journey that never quite seems real. Even the contrast of the night scenes with the striking scenes of the day time add to this. Plus the characters Nick Knightengale and the costume shop owner seems dream like not quite “ reality”. The way Stanley had the actors say the lines to with a kind of slow, repetitive quality to them adds to the unrealistic nature of Bill’s nocturnal adventure. Overall this film is vastly underrated and I think will get more attention over time like most of SK’s movies do.
Alice was clearly the villain. While Bill's experiences showed how he walked the line of issues of lust, power, and control, he never truly crossed the line, and ultimately chose him marriages/family, while Alice blatantly chose the carrnal path, only allowing her marriage to continue if Bill f's her, while ignoring the fate of her daughter. Factors of who were part of the party was irrelevant. It simply shows the ultimate result of choosing the carnal over the meaningful.
Is there a way to email you? I have a very very lengthy Wordpress document explaining all the Masonic ties and symbolism found in the film and explaining in great detail how Bill traverses through all 33 degrees of SR Masonry. Very interesting stuff and I think you’ll find it an interesting read. Loved this video series btw it has completely opened my eyes to this great film that can mean so many things on the surface level and taking a deeper look is often revelatory. EWS has cemented its place in the top 4 of my letterboxd account indefinitely.
If you pay attention the two old men are seated at a table at the party.they give up their daughter to save their lives ,or Alice is a part of it and thus was how things were ending up eventually anyway. They broke away from her as if she knew what was happening .
Actually something I noticed in the movie is that the two old men at the end of the movie were the same men who sat by the stairs by the Cupid statue at the beginning of the movie, when Tom Cruise walked up the stairs to help Ziegler. I think it has a connection with the prostitute Ziegler had, showing those two old men by the stairs right before that part. It made me think that by the end of the movie those same old men were there to take their daughter cause Cruise and Kidman both glanced for a second at them while the daughter walked towards them. That scene always made me sick to my stomach cause it felt like they trafficked their own daughter to these rich old cultists to get on their good side and to get a foot in and join the elites and their secret society. It’s a bizarre thing but they play to the fact that the elites are twisted and would use the victims as prostitutes or sacrifice for some satanic ritual or for some adrenochrome. Cause both Cruise and Kidman seem super somber at the end, full of regret and scared. Tom repeats the word forever (connection to the beliefs of staying young with adrenochrome maybe?), to which Kidman responds that she doesn’t like it, it frightens her.. and ends it with that she wants them to f***. It’s a perversion from two different perspectives, Tom for wealth, power and recognition among the elites to join the secret society. Kidman for sexual drive which is a huge part in that cult as we saw in the movie with the orgy, cause she just wanted that all along, no matter who it was with, as we saw in the beginning of the movie as well when she was flirting with Sandor. Tom saw what the guy with the mask store did, pimping his daughter to those wealthy men, having connection and maybe even a foot in with the elites since he rented those masks and cloaks to them. Tom probably got the idea from there. At the end, it’s sickening to think about if that’s the case. It’s truly a disturbing film, I wonder what was cut from the film. Read somewhere that it was a sacrifice scene, don’t know how credible that was tho. But yeah the waiter and those two old men were at Zieglers Christmas party in the beginning and then they were there at the end to take their daughter.
the kidnapping is not a thing… the two men were just reused extras.. the daughter has to move away to look at stuff in the store so that Bill and Alice can have an ‘adult’ conversation
Consider EWS plays also in the Mirrorform, which presents imagery that opens all new puzzles, such as Helena and the Math Teacher (who must move away to Michigan.)
@@YokaiX I meant Helena. If you played the movie in mirrorform, that is, the movie both forward and backwards at the same time, a scene with the Math Teacher Carl would over lay on top of Alice teaching Helena math. The teacher would stand right between mother and daughter in the frame. I suspect that Helena and Marian's fiance Carl are somehow connected, and that has something to do with them moving away to Michigan.
Crazy thoery😊 its a spiritual war being fought by the elites. Before every encounter that cruises character has he superimposes a mix of colours in the scene. Red is associated with the lowest level of consciousness greed desire. Thats exactly where they end up. The little girl is kidnapped by desire not any literal person.
10:40 You an tell the news paper isn't a true American paper. The artical title is 'Ex-beauty queen in hotel DRUGS overdose'. If truly American it would just said DRUG overdose. Minor faux pas I know.
Huh? Yeah, it's adapted from Traumnovelle but that doesn't disprove anything. The book also refers to the elite society, it's been alluded to for centuries.
The ”red man” is significanthe The Romanian Priest as Enchanter. The film is related to the practice of "opening the Holy Book in Romania" not found in any cult book and is contrary to the rules established by the Church. Is a reverse fragment from Romania Orthodox Holy Liturgy.
@@Hakeemlejudge a former model was killed (poisoned with Radioactive drops in a drink or food probably) after she attempted to speak out abt what she had witnessed during satanic rituals/feasts held at the Mansion of the former prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi near Milan. Her name was Imane Fadil
A lot of the supposed nuance of this film was ironically torpedoed by the use of Tom and Nicole which took you out of the film and its bigger ideas instantly.
Jeffrey Epstein and Eyes Wide Shut Movie!!! (1999) ua-cam.com/video/twWt37Y-UhA/v-deo.html Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell featuring from the beggining of the scene till Alice goes to the toilet!!! Way toooooooo coincidential ain't it!!!
Those dudes at the end aren’t going to kidnap her. They’re not the point of the scene by any means. And, if you draw any conclusion that’s adjacent to this dumb theory, it may be that “they’re” capable of being anywhere, knowing everything, etc. That you’re being watched. I don’t think this is the case at all but there’s no indication that his kid is about to be abducted. They already sent their message to Bill. They already BROKE him. He spilled the beans to his wife. It’s over. At least according to the narrative in this movie.
Theres no extra footage. Kubrick’s own daughter said as much on reddit. But they had to add CGI to scenes in the orgy covering up dry humping and kinky sex positions so they could get an R rating
of course she would say nothing to calm the waters but even kidman on an interview said kubrick caller her 1 day before he died telling her to be careful
i always thought it was implied she was part of the society. as for everything else, i think its silly to have a theory for something that is scripted. kidnapping thing is so dumb.
I dont believe the story was a dream. The basic concept (of the original work) was a question of fidelity; is dreaming about an affair equal to actually having one?
@@jimjo8541 Of course it's not the 'same', but the experience can be similar. Why else does Tom Cruise's character do what he does after hearing his wife's infidelity in dreams?
I still think that the mask is just another attempt to scare Bill. To show him that they can enter his house without anyone noticing and even without waking Alice up
Good point!👍
Yeah, that's what I got, it was a last warning for him, the first one at the party where they let him go, the second one where they give him an envelope, then Victor's and lastly the mask
Was my initial interpretation as well. And a way to tell him; "We can ruin your marriage and your life if we want, we know your secrets but your wife doesn't. We can enter your house, we can manipulate your wife against you; we control you whenever we want to."
That, or, she was part of the cult all along and was the one to give him his final warning - the third, if I remember correctly. And we know these people are obsessed with certain numbers, signs and symbols; 3,6, 7, 9, 13 and 23 being some of the most known numbers they worship for various reasons.
"All good things comes in threes" ? Isn't that how the proverb goes?
@@Daggz90 Her being part of the cult and doing that to him is a different level of psychological warfare
It was a signal to shut down any further inquires.
I believe that the theory of Alice being a member of the cult was revealed to us by Kubrick in the first 10 seconds of the movie…when Alice dropped her dress to reveal she was fully nude and did so in between 2 pillars.
also behind her were two tennis raquettes, ziegler and her possibly played tennis together , after all he refered to his swing and seeing a specialist , i reckon she was sleeping with him.
@@georgerichardson7728 yes! The tennis rackets definitely appear to symbolize sex or even sexual abuse in Kubrick’s films…I think back to the racket and ball on the “Camp Climax” sign in Lolita and the tennis ball that rolls to Danny before he enters room 237 and is next seen all roughed up and sucking his thumb. I’m sure there are other tennis references that I have missed in his other movies too.
If you like a classic movie, i suggest "Cutters way"(1981) John Heard's performance is unbelievable as a bitter Vietnam Vet", also stars Jeff Bridges. @@completesentences2125
I always saw that as a way of comparing her to the cult girls, rather than hinting that she was one.
its masonic@@GavinJo
The first theory merges well with certain events that take place. Alice’s dream mirroring the “party,” the mask ending up on the bed next to her and her last sentence before the film cuts to black. You’ve just been told about a cult that threatens people to the point of death and your response is to “fuck.” That’s a bit odd.
Even the movie cover seems a bit eery. Bill is kissing Alice but Alice is looking away. The movie itself is called “Eyes Wide Shut” but her eyes are the only ones that are open. I really wish we saw the director's cut.
Great analysis‼️I also felt the cover kind of alludes to that being true..
Also, Kubrik's wife made the cover which I personally think contributes to the first theory as it would make sense she gets the personal scoop of his artistic decisions. Not only that but there was apparently other cover concepts by other artists and he still decided to go with that one. But I would like to add I don't think that Alice saying they should fuck in response to her husband acting seemingly irrationally is weird, that's pretty normal in relationships. I think it's just out of character for Kubrick to end a film like that.
the two members at the party that look down at bill are the shop owner and his daughter, it is implied that they knew who it was just from the mask. the only people who know about the mask being sold was the shop owner.
I always thought it was Ziegler , Tom cruises friend (the old man with the hooker)
That's interesting, imo those are Alice and Sandor Szavost.
I don’t think so, because I believe the elites know very well, who is supposed to be there, so when they see a new mask, they know it‘s a newbie. Besides Bill came during the ritual while everybody else was already watching, he took all the attention on himself, by joining later.
Nahhh. People knew Bill didn’t belong bcuz he forgot to change his shoes. Everyone else at the orgy had matching shoes
@@kutluhanbayraktar I thought it was Victor and his wife
The movie is about questions, the uncertainty of what is going on under the surface. Everybody has secrets, there’s more than one level of truth, villains are lurking in the shadows.
True but also it has a very specific plot and does have a more detailed story within the macrocosm
Him dying 666 days before 2001 is all just one biiig coincidence..
DEMONIC
Nothing to see here...move along.
@@gregsmith7949 Nahhh... This sh t is really going on like DIDDYs handlers... Get your head out of the sand Ostrich AINT NOBODY SCARED OF YOU
Bro , that is a brilliant catch and you're the first and only person ive seen point out the guy who may have taken Helena who is a spitting image of the waiter from the party. Great work man.
That must mean this theory is getting deleted, because that’s been a theory for years
Yes, Alice is cold, cruel and detached. She's definately a villain, but probably also a victim. In the party scene, she appears to be drugged and mind-controlled, as if being commanded to later trigger Bill into a state of confusion and disbelief. When confronted by Alice, his face evokes multiple expressions: humiliation, sadness, doubt and betrayal to name a few. In that moment, he wonders if his whole life with Alice has been one big lie and that she possibly never loved him. His doubts about her are never really resolved.
Alice is somewhat of a shill. It might even be possible that she's never sober throughout the entire movie
I think Alice is the adult version of Alice in wonderland she could have been groomed young and now she use to it even let her leave with two older man and if so that explains why she was
Hallucinating following down a rabbit hole in things saying eat me drink me which she was drugged and drunk idk
It was clear to me by the second watch that Helena was clearly being kidnapped at the end - and I hadn’t even noticed yet that those people from the party were at the toy store, that the painting above Helena’s bed says “SEX”, that two actors at the first party are playing Epstein and Maxwell, or the dozens of other clues I’ve noticed since…
It must be denial, that people are too disturbed by such things that they don’t want them to be true. Thus, the perfect title: “Eyes Wide Shut”. People don’t see what they aren’t ready to mentally deal with.
It’s somewhat remarkable that EWS becomes more resonant with time. The lid is slowly being lifted off the secret debauched world of the mega-elites. Kubrick’s movies were often about the dangers of being too close to the centers of power and money. In “Barry Lyndon” the gentry are mostly corrupt, lazy drunks who gossip and rumor amongst themselves and position for further influence with the crown. EWS is simply the more modern version. Kubrick correctly portrays these worlds as both seductive and nightmarish. The advice is always seemingly to turn away from the enticingly mysterious doors underground. That world knows its own and they also know you are not among them.
I'll give you a hint, it's not about mega-elites, but MEN.
I wonder if he'll end up having the last laugh he is owed. On the one hand, us normies do indeed know more about the degeneracy of the 'best people' than we did before. On the other, it didn't result in any real change. They still have impunity and now can be almost certain it's not under genuine threat despite being more broadly acknowledged. That doesn't bode well for a mass awakening. People enjoy the dream state too damn much. But who knows, maybe one day....
@@mediacrusher Men might have the majority of wealth and power but they have plenty of help from women who buy into or share their world view and profit from it. Easy example being Jeffrey / Ghislaine.
@@thegreatpestilence5143 It’s a good question. Human progress seems to be slow, yet steady. Even with all the awful things that happen today and a feeling of chaos, on the whole the world is actually less barbaric and random than it was 100 years ago. Things have to come to light to be combatted. I think, like many artists, Kubrick struggled with his simultaneous revulsion and attraction to that which he critiqued. But he definitely understood you cannot casually wander into the depraved underground without being badly compromised. So he kept to his estate, did his research, made his movies, and kept himself separate from entrenched power. I think this was smart.
@@robfalgianoWe are talking about SK films, look at Lolita, she does not profit, so to speak, from getting involved with Quilty or anybody else. SK is about examining what some people call toxic masculinity, but it's actually more than that. Look at Strangelove and the role/lack of women in that film. Says volumes.
The film is somewhat autobiographical. Kubrick used his friends as the newspaper vender and master of ceremony. Their apartment is similar to the one Kubrick and his wife had in NY. Many paintings on the walls were made by his wife and stepdaughter. His daughter Vivian Kubrick joined Scientology in 1995 and began to distance herself from her family. The casting of Cruise and Kidman could have been a desperate attempt to bring Vivian back into his life. The daughter wandering off could have symbolized Vivian.
I'm convinced that Alice was a member of the cult. She was ordered to marry Bill and lure him into the cult. She cried when Tom told her about the party because she knew that Helena would be the sacrifice for Bill's loose tongue. He had been warned not to tell anyone, yet there he was, blabbing away to Alice. She watched Helena walk off with the two men in the toy store but said nothing. At least three people from the party were in the store and the store was full of the cult's particular symbolism, so it's obvious to me that the store was a cult hub of some kind. Current example of this, imo: Meghan Markle. She was a member of Soho House, an arm of the World Economic Forum, from her early twenties, even though she wasn't one of the rich or famous. There was no obvious reason why they would recruit her into an exclusive club for the 1%, but they did it. She lured Harry into marriage by pretending to be in psychic communication with his mother, and wore his mother's perfume, and it is said in royal circles, and by Harry, that she's a demon in bed, willing to do anything. Markus Anderson was also recruited by Soho House even though he wasn't rich or famous, and he's Meghan's handler (allegedly). He even lives with M&H periodically.
Black men from all across the world have been calling this type of recruitment/control for decades. But nobody believes them. Katt Williams hinted about this again, recently.
I’ve noticed that the paintings on the walls also have messages. When Bill and Alice are leaving the apartment for the Xmas party there is a painting of a cat with eyes wide open. Even the cat had eyes open but Bill.
At the party Bill is upstairs helping Mandy, Victor is explaining the situation and behind him there is a big picture of a pregnant naked woman lying down. Maybe Ziegler’s baby?
When Bill wants to introduce the piano man to Alice while they’re dancing she says she has to go to the bathroom 🤨.
But Instead she started drinking putting her champagne cup nicely and smoothly on top of the table so the Hungarian guy could grab it or .. wait! was she making a pass at him because she already knew who he was?
When Alice was calling Bill to find out at what time he was coming back home? What was that about? Maybe She needed it to make sure Bill was on his way to the castle.
Now: when Bill returns home he hides the mask and locks it with a key. How did she find the mask when at the time she was sleeping? Better yet! How did she know it was there??
When red cloak guy at the ceremony hits the floor a couple or times, was he announcing Bill already arrived ? The reason is because upstairs in the balcony Ziegler and his wife were saying hello, or was the rainbow guy and his daughter saying hello to him?
At the ceremony in the castle Mandy got the blessing from read cloak guy and she gets up and goes straight to kiss Bill. How did she know that was Bill telling him to leave immediately because he was in danger?.
The Hotel clerk works for the cult same as the coffee shop girl telling Bill she knew nothing about Nick.
In the beginning everything is good to the point until Mandy saved his butt. After that everyone disappeared: Nick, Mandy, Domino, also there is no issue with the Japanese guys and everything is kool.
All a show! The 2 guys get their daughter because Mandy dies and that was their price to collect for them. The movie is full of traces to make your own idea of what really happened in that story.
True ❤
I never thought Alice was the one who found the mask. I always thought it was the cult who broke in and left the mask on the bed - as a last warning.
@@odeleon24Kubrick’s ambiguity on this was 100% intentional, the clever sod.
Fantastic explanation 👏❤️
you are following red herrings.
Helenas role in the movie is underrated and probably fell victim to cuts or story unknown to the viewer. Cruise and kidman (what a name even kid... man) tell he farewell with their body language. She was sold to the cult, maybe she also wasnt bills daughter but only schooled by Alice, a common practice with wealthy traffickers.
I also think bill and alice talk about her during their overnighter and they decide to give her away and that the hints alluding to that are either cut or to be reconstructed by the viewer. I dont believe Kubrick included explicit bloody shit in the movie that was cut after his death, hes of the subtle kind, almost asian in art language where the mere hint is direct enough, especially in arranged set pieces where there is no coincidences.
In the 1996 screenplay Bill suggests to Nightingale he can just pay himself in. Nick replies: "They don't care about your money. These are dangerous people."
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I am intrigued that C analysis has now crossed from film theory to crime theory. Where will this go?
As a man of fine taste, I recommended this channel to all my friends and you should too.
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That’s all.
I was pretty young when I first saw this film, but remember being struck by one thing: the "Father/daughter" duo of the costume store bear resemblance to what DeNiro and Jodie Foster may have looked like, x-number of years later, if Taxi Driver had ended differently. And I noticed special attention seemed to be drawn to "Gillespie's" (the jazz club) and - even as one who HATES conspiracy theories (esp about the 'elite'), one can't help but wonder if it was a nickname for Ghillane & Epstein
In fact, at the party at the beginning of the film there is a couple strikingly similar to Ghislaine and Epstein
Why don't you like conspiracy theories about the elite?
One thing that always looked off the charts was the streets Bill walks. They don't look like real streets, intentionally looking like fake studio streets. Think about that. I even asked to GPT 4.o and the first word that came to mind was the attempt to cause both dream-like escape and isolation.
Exact!! Someone who understands cinema knows that this type of cinematography is for "interiors", it is clearly done consciously
It was fake, the movie was filmed in England not New York
If you, ahem, pay close attention to some of the more risque shots of Alice at the start of the film and then look carefully at the other women at the masked event, you will see that either she is there or they've casted someone who looks just like her.
I'm still not sure this means in terms of the literal plot but it's interesting
I'm open to "dual-appearances" between the risque-party and the outside world. Regarding the literal actress playing the costume-guy-daughter, she wasn't 18 at the time of filming and there would be no way she'd be on that set. Thanks for watching.
@@CineGthey were talking about Alice being at the orgy because the woman he talked to before Amanda came to him the second time WAS Nicole Kidman’s body or her body double
What if the group organizers had known Bill would go and hired women who looked liked her? Just to mess with him. Its a stretch but they seemed like they have that influence.
I definitely think Helena was walking off with the 2 old guys (whi were seen at the first party too)... The servant also appearing at the end there is like he is serving her up maybe ?
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I believe there may be some truth to the conspiracy theories
I think the waiter at the party/dude in the toy store was probably merely a case of reusing an extra. I've played different extra/space filler roles in the same movie a number of times, usually to make it easier on the casting director. Kubrick gets too much credit sometimes for intentional choices but he may not have even been aware of the guy's repeat presence, if it is the same guy. There is absolutely no indication the 2 older men in the store are "guiding" the girl, or that the girl would even be enticed to, or know to go with them.
I considered it was an example of re-using an extra and was going to voice that. However, I could already hear the counter-argument about everything is deliberate. Though I tried to find other "repeats", I did not. The "waiter" showing up at the last few frames was quite a placement.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good conspiracy theory and find them fun to bandy about with my film friends, but I also know that Kubrick gets off on having motives assigned when there are, sometimes, none to be found. But who knows for sure but the man himself!@@CineG
@@frankb821my dude this is STANLEY KUBRICK he could get another random person off the street to be that person instead of the same actor
Kubrick is too intentional. He could have used his assistant who was wearing a mask at the event. In the Shining, the wife and son are being shown around the kitchen. They enter a pantry room. The camera angle changes to the inside. The doors open and they’re standing in it. But the door hinges are now on the opposite side. They close the door and continue on. When Nicholson first arrives at the hotel, he meets a guy in his office. There’s a window behind the man. Later, Nicholson walks past the hallway leading to the office. At the next hallway, he turns left and walks down the hallway. There’s no way the guy’s office could have a window to the outside. The hallway was in the way.
@@aieahi1 Exactly the same in EWS when Bill enters Domino's apartment. There is a Lottery Store right next to her building, there was no way her apartment could exist there.
The kidnappers are the same droogs that sits by the statue at the bottom of the stairway at Ziegler's party. "The most dire consequenses for your family."
Exact!! And they LET the girl go with them (who, by the way, are looking at Christmas gifts... for children?? The teddy bear is a known symbol of pedo*phi*les...). Observe, in that same shot, the look of the girl when she walks away from her parents, and the look, fleeting but clear, of one of the old men just before turning the corner. But the girl is NOT "kidnapped"... she goes with the two old men WITH THE CONSENT of her parents
@@reboniak1966 sacrificed
This is like the Bohemian Grove. The triangle club.
This is definitely a “Icarus flew too close to the sun” situation bc it was revealed later on that the suits wanted parts of the movie cut out while Stanley Kubrick fought to leave everything jn just how he originally intended, well what do you know he had a "heart attack" and died before its release to the public, so they got exactly what they wanted and removed the scene/scenes🤔 cold world we live in…
Unpopular opinion: When you’re told not to tell anyone…then it’s best to tell Everyone. Die on your feet, instead of live on your knees. IYKYK 💯
Easier said then done
I like dis wording
bill was corrupt from the beginning, he wanted to be a part of it, of course he wouldn't tell anyone
what if you have family?
@@s6748-z5j It all rests on the belief that the threat will be carried out whether you follow their orders or not, so you might as well expose them to save others in the future. If only this worked, it's been over 4 years since Epstein's murder and we are still yet to see his clients investigated and brought to justice.
those 2 well dressed old dudes in the scene where helena is supposedly kidnapped are actually the old dudes who are sitting around a table in ziegler's christmas party. they can be seen when one of ziegler's butlers calls bill upstairs to see ziegler. 12:56 in the movie.
The Red Cloak is played by Leon Vitali, the same name as the fashion mogul mentioned as Amanda's admirer in the newspaper article.
- Was she the woman at The Party? You called it fake!
* Ziegler called The House fake.
This may sound strange but what if Alice was a former member of the secret society. As in she had been related to a member (parents) and gone once. Or never gone but knew about her families connection to it. They could have given her the mask to warn them. I know its a stretch.
Weird detail, what could the magic circle board game possibly mean if it has one?
I always thought about Helena being kidnapped as soon I saw it the first time. And Iam sure thats what happened
The main clue that Alice was part of the sex cult was the title sequence. She was getting dressed in not her apartment without any underwear on.
i think that as well as alice's lines at the end "not everything is a dream" implies her dream of being surrounded by men and laughing at bill was a real thing that happened at the party, as well as the last lines "theres only one thing we need to do now, fuck" can imply that alice is telling bill hes now accepted into the society and hes welcome to partake with her
also, the two raquettes, one red one black. red symbolises their leader, and in that shot, she is wearing black. she is the black raquette and her real partner (or groomer) is their master. bill is just the ball they play with
You're missing a lot of details regarding Helena abduction theory.
First, the two old men are also guests from Ziegler's party. They are seated next to the staircase talking to two women as Bill ascends the stairs to help Mandy. That means that Helena was literally sandwiched between these three men who all happened to be at Zielger's party and who are also at FAO Schwartz with no children.
Second, there are all the other scenes of Helena, including showing her with an abstract painting that spells out "sex." And there's the scene where Alice is teaching her how to deal with money in a math problem about two boys.
There's also the distinct way in Helena looks back in the final shot and how Alice looks away and never turns back, indicating that Alice knew what was about to happen.
Finally, the most compelling evidence is the focus on bears on the last scene. Anybody who has seen The Shining knows that bears mean child abuse in Kubrick's world. Not only is Helena focused on the bears, but one of the two men also touches one of the bears in a suspicious way as he walks past.
I think this theoriy is very compelling, personally. The rest are pretty ridiculous, except the dream one.
@@LooseOrangeJuice 🐻s & the baby carriages in the Roman Polanski movie , " Rosemary's baby ". Also check out the Johnny Depp movie , " seventh gate ". It was filmed in france. One the nations the SATANIC Rothschilds family live.
Ziegler translates in German to 'bricklayer' as in mason. He's not in the book.
One of the clues about the fate of Helena in the toy shop is the display of dolls. Stacks of Nutcracker barbies (which is the show Helena wanted to see) punctuated by one Marilyn Monroe doll (the ultimate sexual object and victim of SA).
"It was all a dream" is too cheap of a device for Kubrick to use
Agree.
“Was it all a dream?” is just enough of a doubt
I still think Alice was one of the girls in the circle...with her mask on Bill doesn't recognise her
Helena being kidnapped is only a theory if everything in a movie that isn’t spoonfed to you is a theory.
Bill forgets the mask in the bag while hiding everything else inside the cabinet. Of course Alice finds it.
After years of thinking it through, I can't say I reached certain conclusions, but here they are in summary:
- Concerning deleted footage: It is something we will never be certain of. If this footage exists, only a very selected group of people would know about it, possibily the two stars and the executives at WB when K screened his final cut for the first time. Kidman and Cruise never again spoke about this film after the obliged promoting at the time, which I found very strange. Not a word, even by mistake, in 20 odd years, I mean you worked for the last film of the greatest director of all time, seems odd. About the content I don't Know, I don't think it goes as long as 20 or so minutes, my best guess is that it could picture something related to pedophilia, without being too graphic (not in K style), simply because in that party every possible sexual perversion is depicted, except that. If the studios would cut something, it would be that, not doubt. It could explain the involvement of Kidman (research her father) and the abduction of Helena, at the end of the movie.
About that: I am a strong believer of that possibility. The presence of two men we saw much early at the "light" party of Ziegler and that "butler" at the same time is highly suspicious to me. There are no coincidences in K's movies. Along with the strange look Helena give to his parents, as if she's asking permission to walk away, along with the gentle push Alice is giving her in that direction. Of course Bill is clueless for the entire movie, self-absorbed in repairing damage with his wife, but she knows exactly what is going on. Possibily few seconds were cut in order to made the scene as swift as possibile, I feel the scene is a little too quick for K, but I could be wrong on this.
Then the infamous "Fuck" line: To me is not some provocative gimmick by K in order to lighten up the ending, to me it has a clear and more disturbing meaning. Think about it, why does she say to him that they absolutely have to have sex? Seems out of place, but it's not. They have to "fuck" because the price they are paying to the elite in order to not suffer any dire consequences is Helena. The elite claimed Helena, they accepted the deal, probably Alice told the child that when she sees a certain couple of man she has to go with them without question and that explains the strange look she gave to her parents and the gentle push. In order to restart a new life and have a new child of course they have to have sex, to fuck. 'Cause Helena is gone, for their own sake. Maybe Bill doesn't even know this, because the interlocutor for the elite is Alice and she's telling him right in that moment.
FInally, about Alice being part of the elite sluts: I do not have a clear feeling about this, but to me it seems that she could have been part of it in the past, maybe even before meeting Bill, but I don't know.
Too far-fetched? Maybe, we will never know, definitely K wanted some messages to come across, no doubt about it, maybe more for "them" than for "us".
Great work!
It killed him.
You got it exactly right imo, thats also what i was thinking. The cut footage if there is any is probably bill and alice talking about helena, as there are definitely some lines that seem out of context plus the farewell gesture at the toy store, the 2 men, the waiter, it all comes together and alice being a sex slave who trained helena who probably wasnt bills daughter to begin with. In the end nobody could be-cut the film, kubricks subtle hints shine through for the viewer to discover and explore.
Nailed it.
Nicole Kidman's father supposedly fell out of a high rise in SE Asia..bit sus if U ask me🧐
Sluts? Seems like they were probably groomed / abused since children, but I agree with the rest of your takes
News flash, the lover is always the opponent in a love story, tragic, happy, horrific or otherwise.
12:35 Tom looks like hell in this shot. Must've been a 50+ take of the same scene day.
Those 2 old guys at the end were at Zeigler's party too
I noticed one of those stuffed tigers in the toy store is the same tiger on the Dominoes bed.
I heard the theatrical release is over 30 minutes shorter than the directors cut and that's why so much is not fully explained. Anyone have any more information on the original directors cut?
I think you should elaborate on the missing scenes. There was one recounting of the missing final scene that seemed plausible, but was incredibly sickening, so I have my doubts. On the other hand, it would lend itself to the first two theories of Alice being a villain.
You forgot quite a few fun facts about the movie.
Kubrick hired an actor to the sole purpose of being a real journalist, the newspaper article (not necessarily related to the story) by the ‘actor’ shows an interesting real life story. The newspaper shot is very important.
Also, the villain is clearly the red cloak because the actor that played the role was convicted of something shady (not YT friendly term) . Both, the red cloak actor and Kubrick knew each other for working together in previous movies.
Kidman and Cruise were a well established couple in the industry at the time and they divorced shortly after the release of the movie, that tend to be forgotten over the years.
Every attention to these real life details reinforces the context of the movie taking place n real life, what you see is what you get with Kubrick, there’s no jj abrams shenanigans that is left for interpretation. That is not how Kubrick did things.
At 11.17 those 2 old men well dressed men were at Zieglers party. When Ziegler and his wife great alice and bill in the back ground they are sitting at the table towards the right on the bottom of the stairs with 2 other females presumably their wives. I think it symbolises that child trafficking is an issue in elitist cults. I think Alice was in on the cult as the very first scene she takes off her dress in the same fashion as the girls do during the satanic liturgy. Also her dress is different when she is with bill. Implying she was at some other sex party before hand. Her kiss on her index finger which she enthusiastically put on Sandors lips was a sign that she was well up to do the dirty. As long as it was more hidden than in the middle of a party. She made sure it was going to be hush hush. She seems like the type to use and manipulate a good man like bill but be infatuated by men with higher status, power and wealth. Hence her attraction and loyalty to the cult. She took on ideologies that those who are subordinate in status, wealth and power are to be looked down on or to be used for their own means. She put the mask next to him and cleverly said to him that she was there by expressing her 'nightmare' which is similar to what bill experienced earlier that night. Bill needed head space and nurturing from his wife at a very intense and dark point in his life and he needed consoling. The last thing on his mind was arguing about alices dream seems to be too similar to the esoteric occult ritualistic party and HOW the mask got there. She knew he would leave the argument and just accept a big hug. Bill was clearly set up as a form of intimidation so further initiation could happen. When nightingale first told bill about the sex crazed party on the way into the building there is a sign that states 'ALL EXITS WILL BE FINAL' meaning once you go in you never go out. Maybe Alice was groomed from young into the party. Nicole Kidmans dad was convicted for paedophile case in regards to Fiona Barnett. Maybe all the other women at the party were groomed into that cult from young. I think Alice decided that its better for her daughter to be trafficked to the handlers at the end of the movie as a form of compensation for the loss of Mandy instead of an even more dire consequence to them and their family. Its better to have something and know what the deal is than an anxiety inducing, unexpected circumstance. Such as Helena never being seen again. Whereas at least Alice knows that Helena will be a missing child for a fews days until she is 'found again' with a phony story. When the reality was Helena went to a crash course cult grooming session with the 3 people at Ziegler party so she too would follow suit of her mum and become a cult member. At one point Alice teaches Helena a maths question and it was about which man make will make more money implying her materialistic (inverted pentagram,elements controlling the soul as oppose to the soul guiding the elements).
I think there was many diamonds in the missing 24 minutes such as military complex owners, high ranking politicians, bankers being at the party and the scenes of how Mandy was sacrificed. Also raunchier orgy scenes.
The 3 guys were definitely about to ask Helena (who Alice didn't even look at when Helena looked at her for reassurance when walking away because Alice couldn't reassure her) what Christmas gift would she like to be bought for her. Which is an act of grooming
How is asking about a Christmas gift grooming?
@@jungtwinkie6196 you haven't watched the full film with enough attention have you sir?
@@andrewpankiw2144 I have watched it multiple times. The question was in general not jsut about the movie. Alls I'm not a boy.
@@jungtwinkie6196 okay then none specific gender. If you really have watched it then why isn't it grooming?
@@andrewpankiw2144 dawg you cant answer a question with a question, but I'm getting the feeling you're stubborn so to answer yours it wouldn't be because it could just be someone tryna be nice. People do that often for little people.
Unless Kubrick shot the missing minutes that wasn’t in his script. The studio didn’t know until they watched the first cut
Alice could've been married to the brotherhood of death, but can't because instead she's married to the fruits of her life.
Yes I do think that Alice is in from the beginning and on the movie cover it shows only one of her eyes which represents that is in a cult
You left out that the two older men in the final scene were also in the first part of the movie. Obviously she was to be trained in the society, in exchange for Bill's life
1st, 2nd rule of reality based Fight Club? Never talk ab’t FC/ Masons/ Scibots. Cruise got sucked in, Kidman, Katie got out. OrzabaI: “I believe in angels, they move like a secret army.” Lyrics like that are titled “Bullets4Brains.” Written not long after “Eyes Wide Shut” came out. The title of which tells the tale.
SK was a chess hustler. Which means…a lot of things including being well prepped for H’wood and partying for hours with your competition and being primed with alcohol/ drugs so you can be controlled/ blackmailed.
Alice is definitely absolutely apart of the society......the scene where T.Cruise and Kidman are kissing in front of the mirror....then screen goes blank. Next morning Cruise arrives at his office. Alice is bored reading newspaper (no hair-makeup done) then Cruise is consulting with patient......Alice is brushing daughter hair (no makeup) ....Cruise is with another patient.....Alice is completely nude....(only wearing black knee high boots) and putting on a BLACK bra...(hair, make-up, and pearl earrings).....back to Cruise working....and Kidman is applying deodorant with PURPLE bra on...with kiddo brushing teeth.....BOOM! Alice is the villain.
I’m kinda confused , how do all the different colors show proof of that? Are u saying it’s because they’re colors used by the occult?
@@riqotarentino no no......Alice gets freakiy on the low. The quick shots of N.Kidman getting dress teases the audience that she lives a double life. The different color bra on the same day is the most obvious. Also her wearing the knee high black boots and completely naked is a dead give away. Its quick. You have to pause and rewind to see what Stanley Kubrick was doing.......
@@Drgroomes ohhh okay I didn’t even realize 💯💯
@@riqotarentino yeah its a deep movie
She is between two pillars which means enlightenment, so he’s telling people that she knows
Great deconstruction on some popular theories. I wasn't even aware of the one regarding the kidnapper... Hard to prove any theory really but I like your rational approach to weighing each of them. That said, EWS will probably go down as one of the most enigmatic movies of all time. And that speaks a lot of the mysteries & questions that lay within this film.
I always thought the mask was a warning from the group…a warning, saying “we can get inside your apartment and het that close to your wife”
I love love your channel. I would like you to move on to other films and get more videos on "Alien". I never thought about "Alien" as a masterpiece, but you made me realize the hidden aspects of it that excite my imagination. I wish you a great success. Unfortunately, your videos are rather rare but I can understand that. Your channel doesn't pay off at the moment considering its age and your investment in the work vs the number of subscribers. But I believe one day things will turn to better.
I am thinking about returning to discuss more Alien and its sequels. I’ve delayed because I’m unsure if the demand is there. I will push it up in my queue.
Also when Helena runs off in the direction of those two old men, they are also the same old men seen at the bottom of the staircase at Ziegler’s party. So not only was the waiter from Ziegler’s party at the toy store but ALL THREE of them, the two old men and the waiter, were both at Ziegler’s party and then the toy store. Coincidence? There are none in Kubrick films.
Eyes wide shut is the adult version of Alice in wonderland like his wife name is Alice
If you watch Traumnovelle (1969) and read the novella you realise that the secret society aspect is only a passing speculation. Kubrick deliberately exaggerated it and moved the action to modern New York to avoid dealing with the Catholic/Jewish tensions prevalent in fin-de-siecle Vienna which are the background to the story and which are obliquely referenced by the masked ball and the narrator's interior monologue in the source novella. The little fat fellow on the left wrote about it.
Excellent observations, I didn't spot most of this
This is a great video. I’m going with number 3…. All the scenes post Alice’s confession of wanting to have sex with the naval officer seem like a dream like state. The lighting, the cinematography, even the Christmas trees in most scenes never seem quite real. Bill embarks on a dream like trance of a journey that never quite seems real. Even the contrast of the night scenes with the striking scenes of the day time add to this. Plus the characters Nick Knightengale and the costume shop owner seems dream like not quite “ reality”. The way Stanley had the actors say the lines to with a kind of slow, repetitive quality to them adds to the unrealistic nature of Bill’s nocturnal adventure. Overall this film is vastly underrated and I think will get more attention over time like most of SK’s movies do.
Alice was clearly the villain. While Bill's experiences showed how he walked the line of issues of lust, power, and control, he never truly crossed the line, and ultimately chose him marriages/family, while Alice blatantly chose the carrnal path, only allowing her marriage to continue if Bill f's her, while ignoring the fate of her daughter. Factors of who were part of the party was irrelevant. It simply shows the ultimate result of choosing the carnal over the meaningful.
Goddamn, always happy to see a video posted by you!
Is there a way to email you? I have a very very lengthy Wordpress document explaining all the Masonic ties and symbolism found in the film and explaining in great detail how Bill traverses through all 33 degrees of SR Masonry. Very interesting stuff and I think you’ll find it an interesting read. Loved this video series btw it has completely opened my eyes to this great film that can mean so many things on the surface level and taking a deeper look is often revelatory. EWS has cemented its place in the top 4 of my letterboxd account indefinitely.
I'm listening. Please copy and paste it here. Be safe bro. Like seriously.
Post it
it's a metaphor for the film industry
If you pay attention the two old men are seated at a table at the party.they give up their daughter to save their lives ,or Alice is a part of it and thus was how things were ending up eventually anyway. They broke away from her as if she knew what was happening .
You forgot something
The 2 old gentlemen were shown also in the party when bill on his way to save mendy
Actually something I noticed in the movie is that the two old men at the end of the movie were the same men who sat by the stairs by the Cupid statue at the beginning of the movie, when Tom Cruise walked up the stairs to help Ziegler. I think it has a connection with the prostitute Ziegler had, showing those two old men by the stairs right before that part. It made me think that by the end of the movie those same old men were there to take their daughter cause Cruise and Kidman both glanced for a second at them while the daughter walked towards them. That scene always made me sick to my stomach cause it felt like they trafficked their own daughter to these rich old cultists to get on their good side and to get a foot in and join the elites and their secret society. It’s a bizarre thing but they play to the fact that the elites are twisted and would use the victims as prostitutes or sacrifice for some satanic ritual or for some adrenochrome. Cause both Cruise and Kidman seem super somber at the end, full of regret and scared. Tom repeats the word forever (connection to the beliefs of staying young with adrenochrome maybe?), to which Kidman responds that she doesn’t like it, it frightens her.. and ends it with that she wants them to f***. It’s a perversion from two different perspectives, Tom for wealth, power and recognition among the elites to join the secret society. Kidman for sexual drive which is a huge part in that cult as we saw in the movie with the orgy, cause she just wanted that all along, no matter who it was with, as we saw in the beginning of the movie as well when she was flirting with Sandor. Tom saw what the guy with the mask store did, pimping his daughter to those wealthy men, having connection and maybe even a foot in with the elites since he rented those masks and cloaks to them. Tom probably got the idea from there. At the end, it’s sickening to think about if that’s the case. It’s truly a disturbing film, I wonder what was cut from the film. Read somewhere that it was a sacrifice scene, don’t know how credible that was tho. But yeah the waiter and those two old men were at Zieglers Christmas party in the beginning and then they were there at the end to take their daughter.
the kidnapping is not a thing… the two men were just reused extras.. the daughter has to move away to look at stuff in the store so that Bill and Alice can have an ‘adult’ conversation
So glad to see a new video !
We gotta moon buster here!! Cmon macho Man
Consider EWS plays also in the Mirrorform, which presents imagery that opens all new puzzles, such as Helena and the Math Teacher (who must move away to Michigan.)
Marian
@@YokaiX I meant Helena. If you played the movie in mirrorform, that is, the movie both forward and backwards at the same time, a scene with the Math Teacher Carl would over lay on top of Alice teaching Helena math. The teacher would stand right between mother and daughter in the frame. I suspect that Helena and Marian's fiance Carl are somehow connected, and that has something to do with them moving away to Michigan.
Crazy thoery😊 its a spiritual war being fought by the elites. Before every encounter that cruises character has he superimposes a mix of colours in the scene. Red is associated with the lowest level of consciousness greed desire. Thats exactly where they end up. The little girl is kidnapped by desire not any literal person.
As much as i love good theories, i think the film is pretty straightforward, although brilliantly made to imply worse things.
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You an tell the news paper isn't a true American paper. The artical title is 'Ex-beauty queen in hotel DRUGS overdose'. If truly American it would just said DRUG overdose. Minor faux pas I know.
Alice was a woman who looked a lot like the models. She didn’t need to be over rich. Women like her can get into the party.
Huh? Yeah, it's adapted from Traumnovelle but that doesn't disprove anything. The book also refers to the elite society, it's been alluded to for centuries.
That mystery shopper following Helena looks a bit like a mid-20s Leon Vitale to me.
The ”red man” is significanthe The Romanian Priest as Enchanter. The film is related to the practice of "opening the Holy Book in Romania" not found in any cult book and is contrary to the rules established by the Church.
Is a reverse fragment from Romania Orthodox Holy Liturgy.
Can you do an essay on the film The Skeleton Key ?
Of course she's the villain, she's a ginger, they're all evil!
In Italy eyes wide shut became REALITY
How?
@@Hakeemlejudge a former model was killed (poisoned with Radioactive drops in a drink or food probably) after she attempted to speak out abt what she had witnessed during satanic rituals/feasts held at the Mansion of the former prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi near Milan. Her name was Imane Fadil
A lot of the supposed nuance of this film was ironically torpedoed by the use of Tom and Nicole which took you out of the film and its bigger ideas instantly.
Jeffrey Epstein and Eyes Wide Shut Movie!!! (1999)
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Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell featuring from the beggining of the scene till Alice goes to the toilet!!!
Way toooooooo coincidential ain't it!!!
Thanks for sharing.
8 pointed star at the first party
Star of Ishtar/Inanna/Venus
Need more Ninth Gate videos
Don't tell anyone ... but I have one "in the can". I'm waiting to make a big channel announcement to release it.
splendid
Yes
I like Theory Number Two.
Those dudes at the end aren’t going to kidnap her. They’re not the point of the scene by any means.
And, if you draw any conclusion that’s adjacent to this dumb theory, it may be that “they’re” capable of being anywhere, knowing everything, etc. That you’re being watched.
I don’t think this is the case at all but there’s no indication that his kid is about to be abducted. They already sent their message to Bill. They already BROKE him. He spilled the beans to his wife. It’s over.
At least according to the narrative in this movie.
Theres no extra footage. Kubrick’s own daughter said as much on reddit. But they had to add CGI to scenes in the orgy covering up dry humping and kinky sex positions so they could get an R rating
of course she would say nothing to calm the waters but even kidman on an interview said kubrick caller her 1 day before he died telling her to be careful
This Is Diddy the diddler
Dire consequences.
Love me some Nicole Kidman
preach
i always thought it was implied she was part of the society. as for everything else, i think its silly to have a theory for something that is scripted. kidnapping thing is so dumb.
Ty
I dont believe the story was a dream. The basic concept (of the original work) was a question of fidelity; is dreaming about an affair equal to actually having one?
lol no. Is dreaming about eating a large pizza the same as eating one?
@@jimjo8541 Of course it's not the 'same', but the experience can be similar. Why else does Tom Cruise's character do what he does after hearing his wife's infidelity in dreams?
2:23 your right bill does look like tom Cruise 😂😂
Never saw this movie.