I always thought that Ajax faught hard to get where he got and the stakes were always against. He faught on his own without help from the gods while Odysseus had Athena by his side
Ajax used, not any sword, but Hector's sword, the one he had exchanged for Ajax's sword-belt when they met in single combat in book 7 of Homer's Iliad...
Not much according to the Odyssey... at one point Odysseus had to go to the gates of Hades, and there he briefly met Ajax again... who was still bitter about the whole affair.
Ayax era uno de los mejores guerreros griegos mortales que no recibía ayuda de los dioses, cuando Hector atacó el campamento aqueo, todos fueron heridos, por flechas y lanzas como Agamenon, Odisea Diomedes y muchos más, el único que se enfrento a la acometida troyana, fue Ayax el grande, una muerte ignominiosa para un verdadero héroe, Así fue la única manera de vencer a tremolante guerrero, morir por su propia mano.
4:41 They pay his respects to Ajax like Achilles do who killed himself to see each other on the Elysian Fields in Underworld. They should remember him a great warrior to the bright future.
there's a big plothole there. The greeks had two sets of divine armor forged by Hephaestus, one that Hector took from Patroclus's corpse that was retrieved after his death by the hands of Achilles and another one that Achilles used when he returned to the war. So both Odysseus and Ajax could have had a divine armor.
I think what saddens me was when he got down on his knees to his sons level his son looks at him like wow father I’m gonna be just like you one day how tall that giant is really does tell you he might be ferocious on the battlefield but he is a caring gentle giants when it comes to his wife and son now he also has another son called Ajax the lesser but we all know where this is going to go
It makes sense in the Odyssey. It was a death ritual. The greatest warriors of Achilles and his family died in their prime and rule in the underworld. Odysseus visits them in the underworld in Odyssey book 11, and he tells Achilles that he rules rhe underworld mightily now. I think you go to thw underworld in the state that you die, so Ajax can still fight in the underworld like a Valhalla type of situation. Even Helen and her husband enter the underworld in their youth peacefully so that old age cannot touch them. It sucks because Ajax deserved the armor more than Odysseus, but Odysseys apparently made things right by giving the armor to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles to finish off the war as the new champion of the Achaeans, the spitting image of his father.
@@kevin-2.1 I actually think Athena is one of the good ones. She's wise and fair in a grand scheme kind of way. The Odyssey and Telegony show much of her duality in this way. Honorable and wise, but if you break heroic code, she punishes you greatly. Odysseus has to lose his heroic identity and glory just to get home, and in the final epic the Telegony, his son by a goddess accidentally kills him and ends up with Penelope. That's what Odysseus gets for cheating. Agamemnon gets it really bad too from his own wife upon return. The best heroes typically in the end get the best prizes. Unfortunately most of the epic cycle is lost, so we don't know how Ajax feels at the end of the cycle, but I imagine that even he ends up happy in the end for his deeds.
She did that because she supported the Greeks... Think about it... At that moment Ajax was consumed by hatred and anger. If Athena did not cloud Ajax's mind then instead of a bunch of sheep the Greeks would lost Agamemnon, Menelaus, and Odyssey to the berserk Ajax who fall prey to his rage. And without those three leaders holding the army together, The Greeks' side would fall into disarray.
Odysseus: It should be me; I recruit him in the first place. Ajax: It should be me; no one is stronger or braver than I. Me thinking: Ajax...Can you even fit your huge body in that armor......
Thanks. I forgot this story. After the Arachne, Medusa, Ajax scandals, I think I reject her finally. She has no integrity as a Godess of Wisdom. Even the cry-baby Ares, wounded around Troy, is better.
Athena was on the side of the greeks in the war and wanted them to win, but Ajax with his uncontrolled anger towards the rest of the greek kings put her plans at great risk, so she had to stop him somehow. She knew that Ajax was a man of great pride and an incident like that he could not bare..
Odiseo gana en el discurso, por que recibía ayuda de atenea, y una de las virtudes del guerrero, y Ayax no estaba a la altura, el único que le hubiese arrebatado la victoria a odiseo en discurso era Palamedemes, igualaba a odiseo en el arte de la palabra.
There are two Ajaxes in the Homeric Legends. Ajax the Greater who is depicted in this video.and Ajax the Lesser who was an archer. Ajax the Lesser was the one who drowned.
@@Lucerna999 No . Lesser Ajax and Greater Ajax were not brothers. Greater Ajax’s half-brother was the archer Teucer. Ajax’s and Teucer’s father was Telamon the brother of Peleus ( Achilles’ father). Teucer’s mother was a sister to Priam. So Teucer was first-cousin to both Hector and Achilles. Teucer was one of the Greeks who enterred the Trojan Horse and later founded Salamis on Cyprus.
Posidon saved ajax the lesser when his ship sunk. But instead of being grateful, ajax boasted that he survived by his own ability. Angered, posidon sent the wave that swept ajax back to the sea to drown.
So basically Odysseus had a higher speech stat.
Charisma: 999
Yep , and Ajax had more attack and defence stats
Max speech is always op
Higher intelligence, higher wisdom, and higher charisma as well
Speech:100
I always thought that Ajax faught hard to get where he got and the stakes were always against. He faught on his own without help from the gods while Odysseus had Athena by his side
So Athena can take away wisdom just the same as she can give it. Make's sense for a wisdom goddess to have *'full'* dominion over that.
While I could understand doing what she did if Ajax was already on a rampage, I don't get why she just didn't help calm him down.
@@J1P2K Yes. It is not reasonable to terminate a great asset of her anti-Trojan scheming/support.
@@J1P2K it was probably too late for that
I need wisdom right now in my life.
@@J1P2K Also, Odysseus was Athena's chosen.
Ajax used, not any sword, but Hector's sword, the one he had exchanged for Ajax's sword-belt when they met in single combat in book 7 of Homer's Iliad...
Looking forward to your take on the fall of Troy, but also to the Odyssey and Virgil's Aeneid...
They say the dead can still hear. I wonder what Ajax felt when he heard Odysseus defended his honor.
Not much according to the Odyssey... at one point Odysseus had to go to the gates of Hades, and there he briefly met Ajax again... who was still bitter about the whole affair.
@@mariobenedicto3582 he seemed more embarrassed rather than bitter after recently reading it
The Trojan war just teaches me so much that I just want to keep going on with the story to see what happens.
The Best can't wait for this week after week.
So you're telling us that Ajax got humilliated so badly that he litterally killed himself. R.I.P
Thats bisically bullying, so yeah
In real life, the big ones are the bullies. Here, its the big one who gets bullied to death.
Ajax is what happens when you max out on strength at the expense of wisdom charisma and intelligence.
Ayax era uno de los mejores guerreros griegos mortales que no recibía ayuda de los dioses, cuando Hector atacó el campamento aqueo, todos fueron heridos, por flechas y lanzas como Agamenon, Odisea Diomedes y muchos más, el único que se enfrento a la acometida troyana, fue Ayax el grande, una muerte ignominiosa para un verdadero héroe, Así fue la única manera de vencer a tremolante guerrero, morir por su propia mano.
All bro wanted was an armor, RIP.
If you finish the Troy Series can you do something simple with Odyssey???(Anyway your work is amazing 👏 👏 👏)
4:41 They pay his respects to Ajax like Achilles do who killed himself to see each other on the Elysian Fields in Underworld. They should remember him a great warrior to the bright future.
Im a amazing fan!! Good job on making those vids i centerly love them
Please continue Legends of Camelot also
"This is Sparta!"
Lol! Great job in story telling!
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2:00 him suffering tempalary facial paralysis had me killing 😂🤣🤣🤣1:51
there's a big plothole there. The greeks had two sets of divine armor forged by Hephaestus, one that Hector took from Patroclus's corpse that was retrieved after his death by the hands of Achilles and another one that Achilles used when he returned to the war. So both Odysseus and Ajax could have had a divine armor.
Wrong, the other one was taken by hector after their fight and brought to a temple. He even said that
Ajax deserved the armour
I think what saddens me was when he got down on his knees to his sons level his son looks at him like wow father I’m gonna be just like you one day how tall that giant is really does tell you he might be ferocious on the battlefield but he is a caring gentle giants when it comes to his wife and son now he also has another son called Ajax the lesser but we all know where this is going to go
Ajax the Lesser wasn’t his son, just another guy in the Greek army named Ajax. He and Ajax the Great were even called the “Aiantes”
Kratos: that was dirty, Athena!
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Why did Athena do that? Hey Jackson do anything to deserve this and he was also fighting on her side, so why would she do? That? Makes no sense.
maybe it will make sense later in the war? idk I'm pretty confused too
It makes sense in the Odyssey. It was a death ritual. The greatest warriors of Achilles and his family died in their prime and rule in the underworld. Odysseus visits them in the underworld in Odyssey book 11, and he tells Achilles that he rules rhe underworld mightily now. I think you go to thw underworld in the state that you die, so Ajax can still fight in the underworld like a Valhalla type of situation. Even Helen and her husband enter the underworld in their youth peacefully so that old age cannot touch them. It sucks because Ajax deserved the armor more than Odysseus, but Odysseys apparently made things right by giving the armor to Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles to finish off the war as the new champion of the Achaeans, the spitting image of his father.
Yea, Athena is as bad as Aphrodite.
@@kevin-2.1 I actually think Athena is one of the good ones. She's wise and fair in a grand scheme kind of way. The Odyssey and Telegony show much of her duality in this way. Honorable and wise, but if you break heroic code, she punishes you greatly. Odysseus has to lose his heroic identity and glory just to get home, and in the final epic the Telegony, his son by a goddess accidentally kills him and ends up with Penelope. That's what Odysseus gets for cheating. Agamemnon gets it really bad too from his own wife upon return. The best heroes typically in the end get the best prizes. Unfortunately most of the epic cycle is lost, so we don't know how Ajax feels at the end of the cycle, but I imagine that even he ends up happy in the end for his deeds.
I thought Athena supported the Greeks so why did she do this to poor Ajax?
She did that because she supported the Greeks... Think about it...
At that moment Ajax was consumed by hatred and anger. If Athena did not cloud Ajax's mind then instead of a bunch of sheep the Greeks would lost Agamemnon, Menelaus, and Odyssey to the berserk Ajax who fall prey to his rage. And without those three leaders holding the army together, The Greeks' side would fall into disarray.
Odysseus was her favorite
Well that escalated quickly.
poor ajax he only wanted the armor to boost his defense but lost because of the masterloot was given to a bow user
You were good son, real good.
Maybe even the best.
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The Heros are falling. The Twilight of the Age of Heros has come....Hail Ajax!!
Why did Athena 😢hate Ajax ?
Odysseus: It should be me; I recruit him in the first place.
Ajax: It should be me; no one is stronger or braver than I.
Me thinking: Ajax...Can you even fit your huge body in that armor......
Yeah... me too!
Multiverse where the armor was given to Ajax
Ajax: You know this armor is tight and not comfortable. Maybe I'll just give it to Odysseus.
If this is going to be interesting more stories about the Trojan war in the gods
Thanks. I forgot this story. After the Arachne, Medusa, Ajax scandals, I think I reject her finally. She has no integrity as a Godess of Wisdom. Even the cry-baby Ares, wounded around Troy, is better.
Ong
Wow. Dude had a lot of pride
he was hulk
I don't know why goddess Athena did that? For punishment. ?
Athena was on the side of the greeks in the war and wanted them to win, but Ajax with his uncontrolled anger towards the rest of the greek kings put her plans at great risk, so she had to stop him somehow. She knew that Ajax was a man of great pride and an incident like that he could not bare..
So Athena is just another goofy. How tragic. What was the point in that?
Ajax's death was tragic. However, this episode really show that Odysseus is really much more complete warrior.
How tall is Ajax?
the was perhaps his greatest Odyssey
Bad ending for such a warrior.
So he basically didn't get his way and threw a fit...
They should’ve fought for it
They could have split it
Odiseo gana en el discurso, por que recibía ayuda de atenea, y una de las virtudes del guerrero, y Ayax no estaba a la altura, el único que le hubiese arrebatado la victoria a odiseo en discurso era Palamedemes, igualaba a odiseo en el arte de la palabra.
So, Ajax died, hmm. He was one of my favourite greek warrior.
To summarize, the writers didn't know what to do now that all the other powerhouses were dead, so they killed him off.
When Odysseus saw Ajax in the underworld Ajax wouldn't speak to him
What's the name of the music playing at the end?
Poor rams, especially the one wiped
For some reason Ajax's madness reminds of a certain god of war...
They could have shared the amor🙆🏾♀️🙆🏾♀️
Always max out on Charisma, never Strength 😅😅
charisma > strength
So he left his wife just because of some armor, pfft
This is just me but Ajax could have handled that better
I'm in love with Athena, Persephone,Hera, Aphrodite, Artemis,Demeter,And Nxy. ❤️
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Bullied 😢
But why would Athena do that?
Because if not for his madness, Ajax would have gone for the real Agamnemnon, Menelaus and Odysseus.
Kratos bruh i fell ya now
Not that's mad!
Now*
Achilles > Ajax > Diomedes > Odysseus
You think that Ajax was greater than Diomedes who wounded two gods including the God of War!?
The earliest story of PTSD
Well it was pointless as Odysseus lost almost everything..
Talk No Jutsu is everywhere
God, if only it'd actually been Agamemnon....
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All hail.ajax killer of sheep
Oh, COME ON!!! BRING BACK ARTHUR!!!!!!!!😡😡😡
Patience
@@truthspreader1996, it's been Months!!
English has always been a problem from the beginning 😁😁😁😁😁😁
This is part of the epics but in the Odyssey Ajax dies after a wave swipes him and he drowns.
There are two Ajaxes in the Homeric Legends. Ajax the Greater who is depicted in this video.and Ajax the Lesser who was an archer. Ajax the Lesser was the one who drowned.
It was not ajax but his brother lesser ajax who responsible for molesting Cassandra, thats why the gods punished him by getting him drowned.
ajax the greater is the one in this video, he has a brother called ajax the lesser who offended athena and ended up drowning
@@Lucerna999 No . Lesser Ajax and Greater Ajax were not brothers. Greater Ajax’s half-brother was the archer Teucer. Ajax’s and Teucer’s father was Telamon the brother of Peleus ( Achilles’ father). Teucer’s mother was a sister to Priam. So Teucer was first-cousin to both Hector and Achilles. Teucer was one of the Greeks who enterred the Trojan Horse and later founded Salamis on Cyprus.
Posidon saved ajax the lesser when his ship sunk. But instead of being grateful, ajax boasted that he survived by his own ability. Angered, posidon sent the wave that swept ajax back to the sea to drown.
Still not scary
Wasn't Ajex killed by Hector before the dead or Archilles?????
No the movie is not at all accurate
Nope
He was actually killed by Hector and the Trojans, while defending the ships from getting torched in fire.
ignore the film. it's different from homer illad's version.
Read my comments properly again. And then you will understand.
It's very different from the one showed in the movie.
So Agamemnon was jealous of Aja's fame and love by the people.He had him assinated and concocted this madness propaganda story.
They did Ajax dirty
Ajax = 🇦🇱 Gjak 🇦🇱 = Blood
For a deity to intervene to reduce the damage, but not directly placate Ajax, would imply that another deity was involved in the madness.