@@PaddyPatrone I think all companies will make a good physical product. The issue with FFB and how good they will compare is purely down to how good their software is at interpreting the telemetry and turning that into what we feel. Plus flight sims are sadly lacking the high level of detailed telemetry that racing sims have. Racing sims have had FFB racing wheels for a long while now and the racing sim developers have had time to increase the level of telemetry from their sims. DCS is really the only one that has any detailed telemetry but even then it's lacking due to no support for FFB hardware until now.
There is no telemetry feedback from the DCS HeatBlur F-14 for dynamic spring effect. In other words as you go faster there is no added resistance to the stick movement forward or back. You will feel extra forces if you need to pull harder and the "G" effect to work so if you pull harder for more G you will get more resistance while pulling hard back in a dogfight for example. And you can add AoA shake and adjust it to suit to be able to feel when you are maxing your turn rate rather than having to watch your speed all the time.
@@griffincheng what? Plug it in and your good now start playing with the option. the scripts are done by the a9b software nothing for you to do unless you want too.
Did you use the default profile or did you customize the settings? I found the default a decent setting but there are quite a few of the sliders you need to crank up to get the full experience
@@dcs_one if you want I can just send you the config file. That or take a picture of it for you to apply but I had to shift most of the settings, especially the spring force and inertia. Else she just floats all over the place.
@@dcs_one no, about trim hat and brake axis(it’s button on AB9). Trim hat on AB9 doesn’t work, stick virpil Mongoost T-50 CM2. Look video review AB9 from Jabbers
Officially it is the Thrustmaster F-16 stick, Warthog and Virpil Mongoose. From what I have heard they are planning to make adpters for WW so could be more in the future
I don't think you are feeling gear or spoilers you are probably feeling engine rumble through the aircraft which is of course constant while you are flying.
Well I think no input is sent to the plane when you black out. You can move the stick but it will have no effect. I think it goes limp for safety reasons
@@dcs_one Thank you. It's surprisingly important for a FFB stick, because it has to simulate breaking out of autopilot (the amber 'A/P Ref' light will illuminate on the F-14), once a certain amount of pressure is applied to the stick . My Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2 stick is a little vague around the centre point and spurious signals cause the A/P to break away without even touching the stick. It's great in every other way, but A/P is un-useable. I'm curious to see if the MOZA has rock-steady ALT HOLD in a 20 degree bank and with the wings swept back beyond 40 degrees, when at 30k+ feet. Thanks.
lol... spoiler effects in a flight regime, where spoilers are not being used... (at high speed, with the wings swept back, the 14 rolls with the elevons - not the spoilers!). You can even see it in the video in the third-party view, where it rolls. I hope Moza can up their game on that.
Good demo but I have to say you have the worst joystick position : High up and on the side, especially for a ffb. It should be low and between your legs. I don't know how you Can fly like this
Compared to the Brunner model this one is not really a proper FFB stick. When I tried the moza it was mainly a few rumbles and hardly any actual force feedback feelings or how a FFB should feel.
Moza seems to take a gradual approach with their upgrades, similar to how they did with their racing wheel base. They likely plan to improve their products step by step, ensuring each iteration is more refined than the last.
Great video mate. Enjoyed the carrier take off.
Glad you liked it! Enjoyed it quite myself :D
Nice! Will probably wait for Virpil to release their FFB base and then make a decision.
Virpil will probably make a great product
Have the announced something?
@@g-locmedia I am not sure, the community is talking about it. I think most major companies are designing them as we speak
@@PaddyPatrone I think all companies will make a good physical product. The issue with FFB and how good they will compare is purely down to how good their software is at interpreting the telemetry and turning that into what we feel.
Plus flight sims are sadly lacking the high level of detailed telemetry that racing sims have. Racing sims have had FFB racing wheels for a long while now and the racing sim developers have had time to increase the level of telemetry from their sims. DCS is really the only one that has any detailed telemetry but even then it's lacking due to no support for FFB hardware until now.
They don't even have one announced.
There is no telemetry feedback from the DCS HeatBlur F-14 for dynamic spring effect. In other words as you go faster there is no added resistance to the stick movement forward or back. You will feel extra forces if you need to pull harder and the "G" effect to work so if you pull harder for more G you will get more resistance while pulling hard back in a dogfight for example. And you can add AoA shake and adjust it to suit to be able to feel when you are maxing your turn rate rather than having to watch your speed all the time.
Hi canyou test a f-16 with the box that show axis??
It is on the list
Would you make tutorials for potential new users on how to make the base run with DCS?
I could, I would need to compile some of the more common questions. Though it is getting frequently updated now so it also is changing a lot
@@dcs_one Thanks! I hear it is not easy to setup and run, and LUA scripts would be involved.
@@griffincheng what? Plug it in and your good now start playing with the option. the scripts are done by the a9b software nothing for you to do unless you want too.
Did you use the default profile or did you customize the settings? I found the default a decent setting but there are quite a few of the sliders you need to crank up to get the full experience
I used the default, what settings do you recommend cranking up?
@@dcs_one if you want I can just send you the config file. That or take a picture of it for you to apply but I had to shift most of the settings, especially the spring force and inertia. Else she just floats all over the place.
@sirwhippamus would you mind sharing your config?
any word on when they ship the f16 stick lol. been using a quest pro thrustmaster adapter grip for the meantime lol
No idea, they said they would ship mine in early October. Still waiting for a email from Moza
@@dcs_one I hope they will fix the functionality of the virpil handles via software.. I have been waiting for shipment since October 16
Are you talking about the axis issues? There should be a need calibration tool for that
@@dcs_one no, about trim hat and brake axis(it’s button on AB9). Trim hat on AB9 doesn’t work, stick virpil Mongoost T-50 CM2. Look video review AB9 from Jabbers
@@dcs_one I have a Virpil stick WarBRD
does it overheat
It has not been an issue for me
Really interested to know the effects of Air to Air refuelling. Does the feedback help you stay "in the pocket" so to speak. Thanks
Hmm, that could be interesting
Says it's compatible with 3rd party sticks. Do we know which ones?
Officially it is the Thrustmaster F-16 stick, Warthog and Virpil Mongoose. From what I have heard they are planning to make adpters for WW so could be more in the future
It doesn't support all features of Virpil grips. And VKB works too, if you use the VPForce adapter.
I couldn't get mine to work with Virpil but apparently they have made some updated to the firmware and now it works.
@@dcs_one the virpil constellation works except for the LEDs and the axis . NOt a big lose IMO.
I don't think you are feeling gear or spoilers you are probably feeling engine rumble through the aircraft which is of course constant while you are flying.
The engine rumble is another layer, it was a certain movement in the control surfaces I felt
Shouldn't it lock into place when you black out? An unconscious pilot can't steer.
Well I think no input is sent to the plane when you black out. You can move the stick but it will have no effect. I think it goes limp for safety reasons
@@dcs_one ah I see
You didn't test the Autopilot modes? 🤨
Will get back to you on that
@@dcs_one Thank you. It's surprisingly important for a FFB stick, because it has to simulate breaking out of autopilot (the amber 'A/P Ref' light will illuminate on the F-14), once a certain amount of pressure is applied to the stick . My Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2 stick is a little vague around the centre point and spurious signals cause the A/P to break away without even touching the stick. It's great in every other way, but A/P is un-useable. I'm curious to see if the MOZA has rock-steady ALT HOLD in a 20 degree bank and with the wings swept back beyond 40 degrees, when at 30k+ feet. Thanks.
lol... spoiler effects in a flight regime, where spoilers are not being used... (at high speed, with the wings swept back, the 14 rolls with the elevons - not the spoilers!). You can even see it in the video in the third-party view, where it rolls. I hope Moza can up their game on that.
Well I am pretty sure that they did roll but alright. It will only get better
Good demo but I have to say you have the worst joystick position : High up and on the side, especially for a ffb. It should be low and between your legs.
I don't know how you Can fly like this
This time I did mount it in the middle, went as low as the desk mount can without the grip hitting the mount
I think the sheer size of the base presents a few mounting issues but I think more extensions might be on the way to increase our options
@@g-locmedia It is very big, can't really have between the legs in the middle because it is hard to get around to the pedals
Compared to the Brunner model this one is not really a proper FFB stick. When I tried the moza it was mainly a few rumbles and hardly any actual force feedback feelings or how a FFB should feel.
Hmm, would be interesting to compare. With the Moza you currently have to crank up some settings to get those feelings more
Moza seems to take a gradual approach with their upgrades, similar to how they did with their racing wheel base. They likely plan to improve their products step by step, ensuring each iteration is more refined than the last.